NO street legal air cars have been sold since the 1900's The pathetic cons being promoted can barely do 40kph with a 10 km range The need a 6kw compressor running for 6 hours to fill up.
Google any of the following
e,volution south africa
vencat 20 miles
7.22km air car
catecar
It's a con aimed at technical illiterates who believe infomercials on TV
IT CAN BE REFILED IN THE SAME TIME OF DRIVING HAVING 2 TANKS TO INTERCHANGE 1) CONTROLLED EXPLOSION AIR TANK 6000PSI WITH METHANE OR HYDROGEN OR 2) A COMPRESSOR DRIVEN BY FRONT WHEELS HOW WAS DONE IN 1970 ON A PROTOTYPE AIR CAR AND THE FRENCH PROTOTYPE AIR CAR. 3)ELECT A/C COMPRESSOR DRIVEN BY INBOARD INVERTER/ BATTERY. DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND YOU WILL SEE HOW IS DONE. GOOD LUCK FOR THE FUTURE PROJECTS. WORKS GREAT!
@gonzofann If you have about $10,000 worth of panels controllers batteries compressors etc you could refill it in a day so you can go a couple of miles.
Whee
Sorry but that's a complete waste of time, money and energy. Get an electric bike and a much smaller cheaper photovoltaic system as it's 5 times MORE efficient
@fizzguts actually street legal passenger cars that run off of compressed air have been selling in countries in the east for almost 3 years. They can go 70+ mph, travel 125 miles before needing a refill and when they do it costs about $2 and 5 minutes of time. Sounds pretty efficient to me. Do some research.
Here's the research. NO street legal air cars have been sold since the 1900's The pathetic cons being promoted can barely do 40kph with a 10 km range The need a 6kw compressor running for 6 hours to fill up.
Google any of the following
e,volution south africa
vencat 20 miles
7.22km air car
catecar
It's a con aimed at technical illiterates who believe infomercials on TV
@fizzguts I didnt see it on an infomercial for one, i did research it and MDI has been selling these cars in india for 3 years testing them. It does NOT take 6 hours ot fill them up unless u use the onboard compressor. It only takes 5 minutes at a filling station. You own stock in an oil company by any chance?
@fizzguts Your statements dont make sense? Im not sure how you say it takes 6 hours to fill the tanks on the car? Who cares how long it takes to fill the high pressure tanks at the filling station they are huge! it takes 5 mins to fill the CARS tanks at a filling station. I dont own stock in MDI, but seeing as oil is a finite resource its probably not a bad investment for the long term. I notice you didnt answer my question about owning stock in oil? i am betting you do.
@fizzguts Its just like people to call something crap when the technology is being developed. Great attitude to have, yeah lets not try and pursue alternative ways of personal transportation, who cares right? Do you think when the combustion engine was being developed people acted any different then you are now? Nope they said same kind of stuff, luckily they continued to develop the technology despite people like you.
@fizzguts Actually i DID answer your question on stock in MDI, and i have gathered you cant read. Your full of shit when it comes to high pressure bottles, i am a welder and we use CO2 for the shield gas, those bottles filled to 6000 psi at 125 cubic feet only take 12 minutes to fill. The only reason it takes that long is because it is CO2 and not AIR. Air can be compressed much quicker because there is no ratio standard to hold to. I know air powered technology has been around before
@fizzguts (continued) the combustion engine, but its kinda hard to develop technology based on an engine before the engine technology exists. You do know a compressor is just a electric or combustion engine right??
Yeah and i am going to disregard all evidence to the contrary based on one study, from people who have NEVER been wrong, lol. You do realize those guys are being paid by someone right? You do know how world economics works right? Anyone can be bought.
@Brianchse CO2 Bwahahaha which is a pump-able liquid unlike air which CAN NOT be compressed to liquid with out chilling to minus 195 C
A compressor is at best 50% efficient because of heat rejection set by PV=nRT
You do know how cons work right? Nothing produced & sold ever. ludicrous claims to impress the technically challenged. Appeals of "green" tech & NEVER EVER any actual independent testing or evidence
Air engine = steam engine =fully developed. Care to be humiliated again? LOL
@fizzguts seriously?? Humiliated? you have obviously mistaken me for someone who who gives a flying fuck what YOU say on the interwebs. I have seen it done in real life, and in much less then 6 frikin hours. So blow it out yer ass, Care to respond again and see if i give a shit?
@fizzguts Also if you consider the steam engine as fully developed compressor technology then your an idiot! Ya notice they dont use steam engines any more??? Yeah that means it wasnt fully developed because its obsolete crap by todays standards. If you think that kind of technology is up to par to todays technology you need to put the crack pipe down.
@Brianchse Air engine = steam engine =fully developed. Glasses on cretin.Fully developed, skinner stumpf uniflow etc etc but steam engines couldn't compete. It's called physics, you know the stuff you don't understand, so it all changed to steam turbines which are used on 1000's of power plants and suit over 1000hp installations. PS You have never seen a 6kw compressor refill a 180L tanks to 4000psi in less than 6 hours. Care to be humiliated again?
@fizzguts LOL why do you keep saying 6kw, who gives a crap about 6kw, it doesnt matter, the facts being you can fill a 124cu ft tank with AIR to 6000 psi in less then 6 hrs. You talk like you know but you dont. You can buy cheap compressors that will fill a 125 cu foot tank with 4500 psi AIR! in 8.5 mins, by cheap i am saying 2000 dollars. So talk all you want your full of shit. Care to talk out your ass again?
@Brianchse 124cu ft. You don't understand expanded volume compared to compressed volume! BRILLIANT! You have humiliated yourself once again. Hint p1v1=p2v2 P1 =14.7psi atmospheric pressure V1 = expanded volume P2= 4500psi V2 = compressed volume (you know the ACTUAL TANK SIZE say 180L used in the MDI CON,) I KNEW you didn't have a clue just didn't expect you to demonstrate it SO graphically. 124cubic ft = 3500 liters 3.5 CUBIC METERS BIG dive tank It's called maths The cart has 3 x 12L tanks
@fizzguts i dont give a shit what you say, it does NOT take 6 hours to fill the tanks, you can spout all the supposed math equasions you want. Call a company called Airgas, and ask them how long it takes them to fill 10 124 cu ft tanks with 6000 psi, they will tell you about 8-11 mins per tank. You tried to tell me it would take 6 hours to fill the tank on the MDI car, and i say it would only take that long if the tank was as big as the damn car! But they arent, so again your full of shit.
@fizzguts yeah your just a troll so your comments carry very little weight.
Like i said before im not sure why you are hung up on 6kw? Who gives a crap about that? Like a filling station is going to limit themselves to some piece of shit compressor that takes 6 hours?? Airgas fills the 124 cu ft tanks in 8-11 mins with AIR not CO2! Call them and ask for yourself. Filling 10 tanks doesnt affect the fill time of one tank, my point was ,not even 10 tanks takes 6 hours. Frothing LOL yeah whatever.
@fizzguts Just as i suspected, you like to throw out numbers to make the air powered car look like its not even feasible, yet when confronted with reality of what CAN be done you just laugh. All i can say is sure if you want to limit yourself to a 6kw compressor go ahead, i wouldnt. Thats like asking someone to pump up a tractor tire with a bicycle pump. You can do it but its not the best or even most efficient way.
@Brianchse So you now agree I am right. 6 hours 6kw 4500psi just like I said at the VERY start. Good boy Next you need to find out just how big a 6kw 4500psi compressor is. Hint 0.745kw= 1hp BWAHAHAHA
@fizzguts NO your wrong, if you read back i said i wasnt sure WHY you were regulating it to a 6kw compressor and that i would not do so. Also if .75 kw = 1hp then i am estimating that a 50hp compressor/motor would be sufficiento to do it in 8-11 mins. i have a 160 hp motor sitting on my deck right now, so im not sure why you are converting kw to hp, who gives a crap?? Are you suggesting that something bigger then 6kw is going to be the size of a warehouse? BWAAHAAA [/rolleyes]
@Brianchse Because MDI's own figures are 6kw 6hours to fill the tank and that gives this POC a ACTUAL range of 5miles at a conversion efficiency (KW to distance) one fifth that of an electric vehicle.
No a 50hp 37kw compressor would do it in 1 hour (it has 6 times more output)
"im not sure why you are converting kw to hp, who gives a crap??" Because you don't have a clue about KW
"i have a 160 hp motor" That 440V AC electric half ton big arse motor would do it in 20 minutes LOL
@Brianchse A continuous rated 160 hp 440 watt half ton electric motor? Bwahahahaha! yeah right in your dreams
"i am estimating that a 50hp compressor/motor would be sufficient to do it in 8-11 mins" And you are completely wrong, try 60 minutes. Keep digging it's a spectacularly deep hole you've got going there. LOL
@fizzguts your argument falls apart because you still claim to know that it takes 6 hours to fill the tanks to 4500 psi which is total shit, spout all the math you want but all i had to do to debunk your statements was ask someone who does it for a living. You never did answer if you owned stock in oil. I am still betting you do.
you also seem to think i am humiliated by YOU! LMAO dont flatter yourself, your not that good.
@zoconino noise of internal combustion engine is mostly due to air pressure waves coming out the engine, and not from the explosion cycle. So if you use a piston air engine, you get similar pressure waves and thus noise
A couple of kilometers until the tank is empty. Guys were fitting dive tanks, regulators and compressed air drills as motors to go carts back in the 70's.
Short range and expensive to refill the tanks. Fun but no future
A lot of the efficency of an air powered car is that it, like an electric car, does not idle at rest, so when you are at a stop light you aren't expending energy, and the average short car trip usually involves a good deal of idling.
ur sitting on a fucking bomb lol, if they ruptured you would be so screwed its not even funny..... apparently carbon fiber just splits instead of turns into shrapnell. they have to use carbon fiber in air powered cars otherwise its not legal.
Compressed air cars have been around since the 1880s. Dozens of patents have been granted to inventors of air cars. After about 1930, the term "air engine" was no longer used in engineering textbooks, and the pneumatic locomotives which once proliferated in mining were mostly replaced by electric conveyances which had not been safe or reliable until then.
@scoobydog411 I say a diesel would be best, cause a Diesel has the highest compression of a normal stock engine. and more compression means more power.
how would i calculate how much psi I would have to use in order to move a bike and rider that together weigh 230 pounds at a top speed of ninety five miles per hour for a time period of 3 hours.
all you naysay ppl should stfu or show us better. There idea and design shows it can be done and with a air motor you can configure it excatly for your needs. smaller gauge pistons for less volume to run at higher psi. larger gauge (Bore) ones for less psi needed for same Ft-# of pressure High one first use of the fuel low one for 2nd use and so on to add range per tank.
could u please send a link to a site which could help me make a similar engine as part of my final year project in mech. eng. will be very grateful if u can
could u please send a link to a site which could help me make a similar engine as part of my final year project in mech. eng. will be very grateful if u can
Dive tank, high pressure regulator to drop pressure to 200psi, bolt in compressed air drill with sprocket in the chuck chain drive to rear axle sprocket.
Now you can go a mile at the speed of a bicycle.
The off to the dive shop to refill the bottle, that will be $10, kaching.
Cheaper, similar performance? Just stick a sprocket in a battery drill. lots of clips on Youtube and you can recharge anywhere there is a power point
@surfskiskate How is it better than petrol? A moments thought along the lines of what if a petrol powered air compressor was used to fill the tanks instantly show what a complete crock the whole idea of air powered vehicles is.
@fizzguts what makes you say that? gasoline is no different than compressed air. they both are simply means of storing energy. in gasoline the power of the sun, millions of years ago, and in compressed air the mechanical energy from the pump. if you pressurize the tank enough, you can store that much energy.
@demonofrazgriz333 "if you pressurize the tank enough, you can store that much energy."
BWAHAHAHAHA! so speaks the person with the knowledge of physics and maths the same as a gold fish.
Look up Gast air motors, look at the HP per volume of air at a set pressure. Use the ideal gas law to determine run time from a dive tank. Oh!! about 3 minutes for about a 5 hp air motor.
But of course you won't do that you'd rather credulously believe youtube vidoes
@fizzguts are you calling me stupid? A. i'm not talking bout a scuba tank
b. i'm not basing this on you tube videos, i was just curious to see what others were doing in this area.
c. i know i don't know exactly how long this can run. but i do know, that a 12x24x36 inch tank at 4500 psi has the energy equivalent of about one liter of petrol.
d. literally, if you can contain the equivalent amount of energy of about two gallons of gasoline in something that small, you could travel near 300 mi.
12x24x36 A RECTANGULAR tank LOL Better to pick a diameter and length for your fantasy
Std dive tank = 12L MDI's piece of crap uses a 180L tank that means a 6hp motor will run for say 30 minutes on that size tank. 6hp means the MDI POC crawls along at about 20 miles per hour giving it a max range of 10 miles. Surprise under test it actually achieved 5 miles. Wheee! Air cars are horribly inefficient cons aimed at suckers
@fizzguts first of all your math is all wrong. If gas never cool down a litter at 4500 pis would be enough to power a 3.2 hp 80 percent efficient moter for one hour. The problem is that as gas expand it cools greatly reducing efficiently. So expansion piston add efficiency but how ever there is not enough time for gas to warn up. So air engine are around 20 percent efficient 0.8 hp for an hour . I think add heat engine to compress air engine would great improve efficiency greatly.
A turbo operating while the engine is running would create backpresssure and stop the engine, it would be more efficient a sort of KERS, a system that changes valve timing so that when the engine is dragged by the cart (on a slope or when coasting) the air is sucked from the exhaust and pumped back in the bottles
You shell out serious $ for a dive tank compressor Or lug the bottle back and forward to your local dive station and they refill them at approx $5 a shot
people said the same shit to orvill and wilbur Wright dumbass, quit dissing peoples work you never know when they'll have the next big thing.. u know what.. just jump off a bridge or something , save the world some annoyance would ya
Use another air engine? then you would have the same problem with that air engine. You would need fuel to pressurize the tank for that one. and so on and so for..
They sell onboard air compressor systems that you can put on a 4 wheeling truck that can be spun by the engine and can be used to inflate tires (after deflating for traction off road...) or power air tools.
They have similar devices on some big trucks that are equipped with "pneumatic starters".
That is FANTASTIC, I'm sure with more analysing of its components, more testing and probably more modifications, this will truly be something GREAT! I like where this is going VERY MUCH.
I've actually never heard or seen an air tank rupture or explode, so it's not something I would lose sleep over. Too bad there's so many idiots on here that when they see something like this, they immediately think of the SAFETY problem. What a bunch of girliemen.
You can prolly rake up more speed if you apply more pressure, but not so much that your engine explodes, and also i was wondering, do you have any lubrication on it cause it sounded really rough.
Who cares! Once again, I'd much rather pay for like $20 bucks worth of gas (which will last all day in my YFZ) and have to hold on for dear life, than just put around slower than i can run.
It's cool, i'm not doubting that in any way. But still, give me top speed, and acceleration (which is way cooler) over this any day. Find a way to make this go 90mph, and accelerate like an internal combustion engine can, with an all day range, now THAT would be cool!
or you could hook up a cheap comppressor to a small bettery put it on, and you can have fun refueling, while it goes on and on. besides, it probably wasn't meant for speed, just a prototype. after all gas engines had thier days of problems too.
Exactly, I'm pretty sure the first gas engine wasn't exacly as fast as anything we have now. With a little bit of R&D this technology could get us out of out of our so called energy crisis, or many other technologies for that matter.
Just connect air drill to tires
Fireisfun97 1 month ago
Switch the tanks with nitrogen and make sure the spark plug still works
forced induction and combusstion
paulbreor 4 months ago
on borad commpreser
yodolp 5 months ago
That is awesome!!
tnguyen318 5 months ago
@tnguyen318 You'll be excited when you see your first loaf of sliced bread
fizzguts 4 months ago
I personally like the self sustaining (self-charging) electric car.
tnguyen318 4 months ago
@tnguyen318 I personally like the car with the sprocket on the front axle connected by a chain to a sprocket on the rear axle
fizzguts 4 months ago
sounds like a real engine lol
er10b 6 months ago
sounds like the timing needs adjusted in the valves
turtlemann14 6 months ago
HOW DID I GET HERE?!
gavril08 7 months ago
it sound like a 4 stroke
stjo555555 9 months ago
this is amazing i really want to make one. this is the way forwards
ben210ben 10 months ago
NO street legal air cars have been sold since the 1900's The pathetic cons being promoted can barely do 40kph with a 10 km range The need a 6kw compressor running for 6 hours to fill up.
Google any of the following
e,volution south africa
vencat 20 miles
7.22km air car
catecar
It's a con aimed at technical illiterates who believe infomercials on TV
fizzguts 10 months ago
go to aircaraccess. com use httrack to copy and study offline.
Nitai Gaura Haribol
charukrsnadasa 11 months ago
Please update. Great video. Great invention.
Topazman12 1 year ago
awesome job, guys!
stiehler1117 1 year ago
for refilling liquid air is the best ....lots of volume
sherifstelar 1 year ago
IT CAN BE REFILED IN THE SAME TIME OF DRIVING HAVING 2 TANKS TO INTERCHANGE 1) CONTROLLED EXPLOSION AIR TANK 6000PSI WITH METHANE OR HYDROGEN OR 2) A COMPRESSOR DRIVEN BY FRONT WHEELS HOW WAS DONE IN 1970 ON A PROTOTYPE AIR CAR AND THE FRENCH PROTOTYPE AIR CAR. 3)ELECT A/C COMPRESSOR DRIVEN BY INBOARD INVERTER/ BATTERY. DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND YOU WILL SEE HOW IS DONE. GOOD LUCK FOR THE FUTURE PROJECTS. WORKS GREAT!
sherifstelar 1 year ago
really cool.
vengencefrom1979 1 year ago
This would work better if you would fart into the intake.I mean it sounds like farting already,so you dont have anything to lose.
Henzzman 1 year ago
can u refill it with a small pump that runs on solor power.it may take a day to refill it
gonzofann 1 year ago
@gonzofann If you have about $10,000 worth of panels controllers batteries compressors etc you could refill it in a day so you can go a couple of miles.
Whee
Sorry but that's a complete waste of time, money and energy. Get an electric bike and a much smaller cheaper photovoltaic system as it's 5 times MORE efficient
fizzguts 1 year ago
@fizzguts actually street legal passenger cars that run off of compressed air have been selling in countries in the east for almost 3 years. They can go 70+ mph, travel 125 miles before needing a refill and when they do it costs about $2 and 5 minutes of time. Sounds pretty efficient to me. Do some research.
Brianchse 10 months ago
@Brianchse
Here's the research. NO street legal air cars have been sold since the 1900's The pathetic cons being promoted can barely do 40kph with a 10 km range The need a 6kw compressor running for 6 hours to fill up.
Google any of the following
e,volution south africa
vencat 20 miles
7.22km air car
catecar
It's a con aimed at technical illiterates who believe infomercials on TV
fizzguts 10 months ago
@fizzguts I didnt see it on an infomercial for one, i did research it and MDI has been selling these cars in india for 3 years testing them. It does NOT take 6 hours ot fill them up unless u use the onboard compressor. It only takes 5 minutes at a filling station. You own stock in an oil company by any chance?
Brianchse 10 months ago
@Brianchse "MDI has been selling these cars in india for 3 years testing them"
Nope emailed TATA & they are not interesting in these pieces of crap. So where is your link?
"It only takes 5 minutes at a filling station."
And how long does it take to refill the BANK OF PREFILLED AIR BOTTLES at a filling station? about 6 hours if you have a 6kw 4000 psi compressor.
Any further statements I can shred?
You own stock in MDI by any chance? A LOT of investors want to unload their worthless paper
fizzguts 10 months ago
@fizzguts Your statements dont make sense? Im not sure how you say it takes 6 hours to fill the tanks on the car? Who cares how long it takes to fill the high pressure tanks at the filling station they are huge! it takes 5 mins to fill the CARS tanks at a filling station. I dont own stock in MDI, but seeing as oil is a finite resource its probably not a bad investment for the long term. I notice you didnt answer my question about owning stock in oil? i am betting you do.
Brianchse 10 months ago
@fizzguts Its just like people to call something crap when the technology is being developed. Great attitude to have, yeah lets not try and pursue alternative ways of personal transportation, who cares right? Do you think when the combustion engine was being developed people acted any different then you are now? Nope they said same kind of stuff, luckily they continued to develop the technology despite people like you.
Brianchse 10 months ago
@Brianchse Air powered vehicles predate the IC engine Google the museum of retro tech.
By about 1908 the air vehicle was dead except in specialized applications
If you don't understand the ENERGY to fill the car is 6 hrs of a 6KW compressor no matter how you store the air I can't help you
i notice you didn't answer my question about stock in MDI You sould like on of the MDI trolls desperate to shut down any criticism
Google
berkley air car
FACTS 5x more energy used than an equivalent EV
fizzguts 10 months ago
@fizzguts Actually i DID answer your question on stock in MDI, and i have gathered you cant read. Your full of shit when it comes to high pressure bottles, i am a welder and we use CO2 for the shield gas, those bottles filled to 6000 psi at 125 cubic feet only take 12 minutes to fill. The only reason it takes that long is because it is CO2 and not AIR. Air can be compressed much quicker because there is no ratio standard to hold to. I know air powered technology has been around before
Brianchse 10 months ago
@fizzguts (continued) the combustion engine, but its kinda hard to develop technology based on an engine before the engine technology exists. You do know a compressor is just a electric or combustion engine right??
Yeah and i am going to disregard all evidence to the contrary based on one study, from people who have NEVER been wrong, lol. You do realize those guys are being paid by someone right? You do know how world economics works right? Anyone can be bought.
Brianchse 10 months ago
@Brianchse CO2 Bwahahaha which is a pump-able liquid unlike air which CAN NOT be compressed to liquid with out chilling to minus 195 C
A compressor is at best 50% efficient because of heat rejection set by PV=nRT
You do know how cons work right? Nothing produced & sold ever. ludicrous claims to impress the technically challenged. Appeals of "green" tech & NEVER EVER any actual independent testing or evidence
Air engine = steam engine =fully developed. Care to be humiliated again? LOL
fizzguts 10 months ago
@fizzguts seriously?? Humiliated? you have obviously mistaken me for someone who who gives a flying fuck what YOU say on the interwebs. I have seen it done in real life, and in much less then 6 frikin hours. So blow it out yer ass, Care to respond again and see if i give a shit?
Brianchse 10 months ago
@fizzguts Also if you consider the steam engine as fully developed compressor technology then your an idiot! Ya notice they dont use steam engines any more??? Yeah that means it wasnt fully developed because its obsolete crap by todays standards. If you think that kind of technology is up to par to todays technology you need to put the crack pipe down.
Brianchse 10 months ago
@Brianchse Air engine = steam engine =fully developed. Glasses on cretin.Fully developed, skinner stumpf uniflow etc etc but steam engines couldn't compete. It's called physics, you know the stuff you don't understand, so it all changed to steam turbines which are used on 1000's of power plants and suit over 1000hp installations. PS You have never seen a 6kw compressor refill a 180L tanks to 4000psi in less than 6 hours. Care to be humiliated again?
fizzguts 10 months ago
@fizzguts LOL why do you keep saying 6kw, who gives a crap about 6kw, it doesnt matter, the facts being you can fill a 124cu ft tank with AIR to 6000 psi in less then 6 hrs. You talk like you know but you dont. You can buy cheap compressors that will fill a 125 cu foot tank with 4500 psi AIR! in 8.5 mins, by cheap i am saying 2000 dollars. So talk all you want your full of shit. Care to talk out your ass again?
Brianchse 10 months ago
@Brianchse 124cu ft. You don't understand expanded volume compared to compressed volume! BRILLIANT! You have humiliated yourself once again. Hint p1v1=p2v2 P1 =14.7psi atmospheric pressure V1 = expanded volume P2= 4500psi V2 = compressed volume (you know the ACTUAL TANK SIZE say 180L used in the MDI CON,) I KNEW you didn't have a clue just didn't expect you to demonstrate it SO graphically. 124cubic ft = 3500 liters 3.5 CUBIC METERS BIG dive tank It's called maths The cart has 3 x 12L tanks
fizzguts 10 months ago
@fizzguts i dont give a shit what you say, it does NOT take 6 hours to fill the tanks, you can spout all the supposed math equasions you want. Call a company called Airgas, and ask them how long it takes them to fill 10 124 cu ft tanks with 6000 psi, they will tell you about 8-11 mins per tank. You tried to tell me it would take 6 hours to fill the tank on the MDI car, and i say it would only take that long if the tank was as big as the damn car! But they arent, so again your full of shit.
Brianchse 10 months ago
@Brianchse
BWAHAHAHAHA
Read what I wrote 6hours 6kw
What horsepower was the compressor Air gas used 10, 20, 30 KW?
It's roughly 18x124cubic ft to equal 180L at 4500psi
why would having 10 tanks effect the fill rate for one tank? forgot to mention some vital information?
It's a bastard you can't understand simple maths isn't it
Did Air gas explain what CO2 under pressure is you know the one you got completely wrong last time.
Glad to see I've got you frothing at the mouth again. LOL
fizzguts 10 months ago
@fizzguts yeah your just a troll so your comments carry very little weight.
Like i said before im not sure why you are hung up on 6kw? Who gives a crap about that? Like a filling station is going to limit themselves to some piece of shit compressor that takes 6 hours?? Airgas fills the 124 cu ft tanks in 8-11 mins with AIR not CO2! Call them and ask for yourself. Filling 10 tanks doesnt affect the fill time of one tank, my point was ,not even 10 tanks takes 6 hours. Frothing LOL yeah whatever.
Brianchse 10 months ago
@Brianchse "Like I said before I''m not sure why you are hung up on 6kw?"
That's because you are a nitwit
"my point was ,not even 10 tanks takes 6 hours"
But if you filled a 180L tank to 4500psi using a 6kw compressor it would take 6 hours
Ask Airgas call them and ask them yourself
BWAHAHAHA!!
fizzguts 10 months ago
@fizzguts Just as i suspected, you like to throw out numbers to make the air powered car look like its not even feasible, yet when confronted with reality of what CAN be done you just laugh. All i can say is sure if you want to limit yourself to a 6kw compressor go ahead, i wouldnt. Thats like asking someone to pump up a tractor tire with a bicycle pump. You can do it but its not the best or even most efficient way.
Brianchse 10 months ago
@Brianchse So you now agree I am right. 6 hours 6kw 4500psi just like I said at the VERY start. Good boy Next you need to find out just how big a 6kw 4500psi compressor is. Hint 0.745kw= 1hp BWAHAHAHA
fizzguts 10 months ago
@fizzguts NO your wrong, if you read back i said i wasnt sure WHY you were regulating it to a 6kw compressor and that i would not do so. Also if .75 kw = 1hp then i am estimating that a 50hp compressor/motor would be sufficiento to do it in 8-11 mins. i have a 160 hp motor sitting on my deck right now, so im not sure why you are converting kw to hp, who gives a crap?? Are you suggesting that something bigger then 6kw is going to be the size of a warehouse? BWAAHAAA [/rolleyes]
Brianchse 10 months ago
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@Brianchse Because MDI's own figures are 6kw 6hours to fill the tank and that gives this POC a ACTUAL range of 5miles at a conversion efficiency (KW to distance) one fifth that of an electric vehicle.
No a 50hp 37kw compressor would do it in 1 hour (it has 6 times more output)
"im not sure why you are converting kw to hp, who gives a crap??" Because you don't have a clue about KW
"i have a 160 hp motor" That 440V AC electric half ton big arse motor would do it in 20 minutes LOL
fizzguts 10 months ago
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@Brianchse A continuous rated 160 hp 440 watt half ton electric motor? Bwahahahaha! yeah right in your dreams
"i am estimating that a 50hp compressor/motor would be sufficient to do it in 8-11 mins" And you are completely wrong, try 60 minutes. Keep digging it's a spectacularly deep hole you've got going there. LOL
fizzguts 9 months ago
@fizzguts a 6kw comprssor would have to actually be very small to produce 4500 psi...
shittybill93 8 months ago
@shittybill93 Please keep your completely illogical comments to yourself this thread does not need more stupidty
fizzguts 8 months ago
@fizzguts your argument falls apart because you still claim to know that it takes 6 hours to fill the tanks to 4500 psi which is total shit, spout all the math you want but all i had to do to debunk your statements was ask someone who does it for a living. You never did answer if you owned stock in oil. I am still betting you do.
you also seem to think i am humiliated by YOU! LMAO dont flatter yourself, your not that good.
Brianchse 10 months ago
its not green what do you think pumps it up electricity... coal burning or nuclear...
till you never have to fill again nothing ever will be truely green
IRONMAIDENFAN2006 1 year ago
@IRONMAIDENFAN2006 how about a water weal that can turn a compressor or photo cell solar panals and wind
sirlonghair 1 year ago
Why make that noise if it a air compressed?
zoconino 1 year ago
@zoconino noise of internal combustion engine is mostly due to air pressure waves coming out the engine, and not from the explosion cycle. So if you use a piston air engine, you get similar pressure waves and thus noise
Veikra 1 year ago
how fast was he going 8 mph
Munymuny200 1 year ago
I guess a muffler is needed.. wake up the neighborhood with one engine.
995sunglasses 1 year ago
how long does it run on a tank?
pyroboy08 1 year ago
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@pyroboy08
A couple of kilometers until the tank is empty. Guys were fitting dive tanks, regulators and compressed air drills as motors to go carts back in the 70's.
Short range and expensive to refill the tanks. Fun but no future
fizzguts 1 year ago
A lot of the efficency of an air powered car is that it, like an electric car, does not idle at rest, so when you are at a stop light you aren't expending energy, and the average short car trip usually involves a good deal of idling.
monkeyman1140 1 year ago
ur sitting on a fucking bomb lol, if they ruptured you would be so screwed its not even funny..... apparently carbon fiber just splits instead of turns into shrapnell. they have to use carbon fiber in air powered cars otherwise its not legal.
afluffydragon 1 year ago
Looks like fun! Sounds cool too.
MrKodiak1000 1 year ago
looks like a time bomb... wrecking could get nasty... lol.. its a start though.
calholli 1 year ago
Compressed air cars have been around since the 1880s. Dozens of patents have been granted to inventors of air cars. After about 1930, the term "air engine" was no longer used in engineering textbooks, and the pneumatic locomotives which once proliferated in mining were mostly replaced by electric conveyances which had not been safe or reliable until then.
hotmichael3358 1 year ago
What type of motor are you using ? Would a 2 stroke be better ?
scoobydog411 1 year ago
@scoobydog411 I say a diesel would be best, cause a Diesel has the highest compression of a normal stock engine. and more compression means more power.
Motorfordtoyota 1 year ago
how would i calculate how much psi I would have to use in order to move a bike and rider that together weigh 230 pounds at a top speed of ninety five miles per hour for a time period of 3 hours.
icelandman25 1 year ago
@icelandman25 Ideal gas law, Google Gast (air motor manufacturer) for power pressure volume curves
To hard? roughly you'd need a 40ft container full of dive tanks to get close
fizzguts 1 year ago
all you naysay ppl should stfu or show us better. There idea and design shows it can be done and with a air motor you can configure it excatly for your needs. smaller gauge pistons for less volume to run at higher psi. larger gauge (Bore) ones for less psi needed for same Ft-# of pressure High one first use of the fuel low one for 2nd use and so on to add range per tank.
alzcove 1 year ago
That is SOOOO cool
scott93257 1 year ago
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love the project
could u please send a link to a site which could help me make a similar engine as part of my final year project in mech. eng. will be very grateful if u can
nemostu30 1 year ago
love the project
could u please send a link to a site which could help me make a similar engine as part of my final year project in mech. eng. will be very grateful if u can
nemostu30 1 year ago
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@nemostu30 "could u please send a link to a site which could help me make a similar engine ."
If you cant figure out how to hook a dive tank to a pressure regulator to a compressed air drill with a sprocket clamped in it's chuck
GIVE UP NOW.
if you can't google the Gast company website with more air motor charts graphs and pictures than you can shake a stick at GIVE UP NOW
If you can't figure how to take a piston engine put a new head on and valves to let the air in and out GIVE UP NOW
fizzguts 1 year ago
Bonus points for sounding like flatulence.
FrontalTraction 1 year ago
cool azz cart... never seen sumt hing like that
ghost2cipz 1 year ago
Now that's what i call clean emissions xD.
Jaronamooo 1 year ago
lol sounds like a 4t motor with much cm³ and less power. its a good idea how does you build it ?
kruckenkreuz 2 years ago
Dive tank, high pressure regulator to drop pressure to 200psi, bolt in compressed air drill with sprocket in the chuck chain drive to rear axle sprocket.
Now you can go a mile at the speed of a bicycle.
The off to the dive shop to refill the bottle, that will be $10, kaching.
Cheaper, similar performance? Just stick a sprocket in a battery drill. lots of clips on Youtube and you can recharge anywhere there is a power point
fizzguts 2 years ago 2
As far as for this technology to be economically viable and truly green friendly, how do propose to refill your air tanks?
Localmode 2 years ago 4
an electric or mechanical motor would probably be fine.
upcycle 2 years ago 4
@upcycle but how are you going to get electricty?? by burning coal..
loolwow 1 year ago
@upcycle or you could go to a gas station or something and get it from were you get air for tires
thamoja 1 year ago
@upcycle no per hand....be green :P
SuperK0rn 8 months ago
@Localmode another air motor
icouldntmakeupaname2 1 year ago
@Localmode gas station's air pump maybe ?lol
advancedintellect 1 year ago
@Localmode that in adition to a green power sourse, say wind mill, or eventually fusion to power the pump, it could be totaly zero emission.
demonofrazgriz333 10 months ago
@Localmode How about a wind-powered air compressor?
jdoverholt 7 months ago
@Localmode From the sky! It's filled with air! Bwahahahahahaha!
rustyironrob 6 months ago
@Localmode electric compressor powered by a battery...recharched by an alternator
clokedbigman 5 months ago
you can hear that the engine isnt air tight. if it were tighter, it would run 10 times better. i learned that using air tools xD
driscol1818 2 years ago
It sounds badass ! :P
VerystrangeMaster 2 years ago
theirs no way it can run 200 miles on compress air ill be surprised if it runs 3 miles on 3 tanks
graffiticrime 2 years ago 11
@graffiticrime still its better than petrol. thats the main idea here.
surfskiskate 9 months ago
@surfskiskate How is it better than petrol? A moments thought along the lines of what if a petrol powered air compressor was used to fill the tanks instantly show what a complete crock the whole idea of air powered vehicles is.
fizzguts 8 months ago
@graffiticrime if it is made light enough, it'll probobly run 300 miles judging by the size of the tanks, and assuming they can hold enough pressure.
demonofrazgriz333 8 months ago
@demonofrazgriz333 Try 5 miles
fizzguts 8 months ago
@fizzguts what makes you say that? gasoline is no different than compressed air. they both are simply means of storing energy. in gasoline the power of the sun, millions of years ago, and in compressed air the mechanical energy from the pump. if you pressurize the tank enough, you can store that much energy.
demonofrazgriz333 8 months ago
@demonofrazgriz333 "if you pressurize the tank enough, you can store that much energy."
BWAHAHAHAHA! so speaks the person with the knowledge of physics and maths the same as a gold fish.
Look up Gast air motors, look at the HP per volume of air at a set pressure. Use the ideal gas law to determine run time from a dive tank. Oh!! about 3 minutes for about a 5 hp air motor.
But of course you won't do that you'd rather credulously believe youtube vidoes
fizzguts 8 months ago
@fizzguts are you calling me stupid? A. i'm not talking bout a scuba tank
b. i'm not basing this on you tube videos, i was just curious to see what others were doing in this area.
c. i know i don't know exactly how long this can run. but i do know, that a 12x24x36 inch tank at 4500 psi has the energy equivalent of about one liter of petrol.
d. literally, if you can contain the equivalent amount of energy of about two gallons of gasoline in something that small, you could travel near 300 mi.
demonofrazgriz333 8 months ago
@demonofrazgriz333
No I'm telling you you are stupid. Easy mistake
12x24x36 A RECTANGULAR tank LOL Better to pick a diameter and length for your fantasy
Std dive tank = 12L MDI's piece of crap uses a 180L tank that means a 6hp motor will run for say 30 minutes on that size tank. 6hp means the MDI POC crawls along at about 20 miles per hour giving it a max range of 10 miles. Surprise under test it actually achieved 5 miles. Wheee! Air cars are horribly inefficient cons aimed at suckers
fizzguts 8 months ago
@fizzguts oppous I made mistake in caluations just time consumption by 14.92.
spark300c 7 months ago
@fizzguts and I found that i made more mistakes. I dive 50 wh by hp and goes seconds instead because time 50wh by 60^2
and dive by746 and got 241.287 dived by 60 got 4.02 which is I hope is minutes.
spark300c 7 months ago
@fizzguts first of all your math is all wrong. If gas never cool down a litter at 4500 pis would be enough to power a 3.2 hp 80 percent efficient moter for one hour. The problem is that as gas expand it cools greatly reducing efficiently. So expansion piston add efficiency but how ever there is not enough time for gas to warn up. So air engine are around 20 percent efficient 0.8 hp for an hour . I think add heat engine to compress air engine would great improve efficiency greatly.
spark300c 7 months ago
how long does the air last while rideing
dajams65 2 years ago
it my verry due 2 wieght
coolnerd92 2 years ago
yeah that probly becasue he converted a gas engine........... duhhh
MrFubs 2 years ago
Most brilliant thing is, it still sounds like a petrol engine :D!
produKtNZ 2 years ago 7
Exelente !
bellinivernon 2 years ago
If you could figure out a way to fit a turbo on there to push air back into the tank while it is running,
that would mean a dramatic change in road time and less time filling up the tanks.
But I am no expert at this.
Just an Idea of what turbo's do.
dgk990 2 years ago 4
"But I am no expert at this."
That's stunningly obvious
fizzguts 2 years ago
ya just hook the flywheel up to an old compressor (ones with pistons) so that as the engine is running, it fills up a tank which leads to the intake
motoxking100 2 years ago
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yeah something like that.
dgk990 2 years ago
A turbo operating while the engine is running would create backpresssure and stop the engine, it would be more efficient a sort of KERS, a system that changes valve timing so that when the engine is dragged by the cart (on a slope or when coasting) the air is sucked from the exhaust and pumped back in the bottles
Renatodonadio 2 years ago
it mr. turbo man, u think ur real good exploiting basic turbo sugestions so you can gain thumbs up. pethetic.
fuckinghellcunt 2 years ago
Nice, but fit some higher gear ratios, and also a freewheel instead of the fixed gear arrangement.
TimpBizkit 2 years ago
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Zovex11 2 years ago
haha! looks like a bomb on wheels
1ToNJaB 2 years ago 5
how do you fill those at home? arnt they like at 800-3k psi? compressors only do like 150.
treborly 2 years ago
you can get 3000 psi rated compressers for like $600 or more i think
the5445 2 years ago
You need a dive tank compressor and that is not cheap.
fizzguts 2 years ago
$@%^$!!
Look down two comments for ucks sake Repeating
You shell out serious $ for a dive tank compressor Or lug the bottle back and forward to your local dive station and they refill them at approx $5 a shot
fizzguts 2 years ago
Great work! Keep it up :)
kenmtb 2 years ago
Now, how to recharge the tanks in dynamic braking... :) Fun stuff.
JRBeaman 2 years ago
check Guy Negre and Angelo Depietro
monkeyzeetube 2 years ago
What's the range?
Top speed?
Charlieutube99 2 years ago
funny I was just dreaming about a compressed air powered bicycle before I woke up 10 min ago lol
simusfr 2 years ago
nice!
marksmall82 2 years ago
ok, gramps wants his go cart back
ryboy190123 2 years ago
It does have great potential if you can figure out how to pressurize the tanks without using another motor that uses fuel......
PBhawaiiTLR200 2 years ago
Manual air pump..you can get some cardio on your off time. or get a mule to do it.
canubelieve 2 years ago 2
cool other then the noise but im sure you can make some sort of muffler system for it or something
robert42082 2 years ago
good work! how far can it go befor refilling?
brockislivingin1998 2 years ago
Man I always want a go cart that has no power and looks stupid how y the hell did you was your time building that stupid piece of shit
pamelasex666 2 years ago
people said the same shit to orvill and wilbur Wright dumbass, quit dissing peoples work you never know when they'll have the next big thing.. u know what.. just jump off a bridge or something , save the world some annoyance would ya
FerrilEwok 2 years ago 12
FerrilEwok, the comparison with the Wright brothers was well said..
upcycle 2 years ago 4
thats cool
rickyguerra4 3 years ago
sound like farting on a wooden floor lol
acraze21 3 years ago 21
how the fuck would u know wut farting on a wooden floor sounds like?
Jambafromhell 2 years ago 2
heh
acraze21 2 years ago
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@acraze21 "sound like farting on a wooden floor lol" ... lmao .. yea but it doesn't stink like hell
GamlGandalf 1 year ago
Cool idea, but I think I saw grandpa pass it on an electric scooter from Meijer.
disgruntldtoad 3 years ago
very cool and sounds like a fart!
sharpyt1 3 years ago
Okay that is beyond totally cool!!! great stuff
bambionhigh 3 years ago 3
How many miles to you get per gallon of Air?lol
timrocket2008 3 years ago
MORE PLEASE!
I am really impressed with how well it works... and I would feel great driving it knowing that all im emitting is fresh air! :D
But re-filling it might boost your hydro bill by a few hundred dollars lol.
Scorge120 3 years ago
Ya, but a lot less efficiently...
Kochenderfer21 3 years ago
seems a bit weak on the torque side of things
drangboon 3 years ago
wow... that is awesome. xD
autonomous2010 3 years ago
what is the torque and horsepower specs on that thing, and what motors is it using?
BloodRedDante 3 years ago
ladies and gentlemen: the answer to the fuel crisis!
horizonflyer9 3 years ago
how is that they answer?You need fuel to pressurize the air tank
timrocket2008 3 years ago
it's called wind
gabydewilde 3 years ago
Use another air engine that can power an air compressor that can pressurize the air tank.
the1of0 3 years ago
Use another air engine? then you would have the same problem with that air engine. You would need fuel to pressurize the tank for that one. and so on and so for..
timrocket2008 3 years ago
The main engine can power a compressor itself.
They sell onboard air compressor systems that you can put on a 4 wheeling truck that can be spun by the engine and can be used to inflate tires (after deflating for traction off road...) or power air tools.
They have similar devices on some big trucks that are equipped with "pneumatic starters".
the1of0 3 years ago
that's cool!!! how fast does it go
ferrari9812 3 years ago
Cool! They should make a "hybrid" with air and electric, then, instead of gas and electric.
ETBX1 3 years ago
I made an air electric hybrid in my video.
FrontalTraction 3 years ago
That is FANTASTIC, I'm sure with more analysing of its components, more testing and probably more modifications, this will truly be something GREAT! I like where this is going VERY MUCH.
JoeyJr702 3 years ago
I enjoy seeing people using their brain for stuff to take us in the right direction. Cool vid
redphoakis 3 years ago
as soon as one of those scuba tanks ruptures.... bye bye
pballer2k8 3 years ago
I've actually never heard or seen an air tank rupture or explode, so it's not something I would lose sleep over. Too bad there's so many idiots on here that when they see something like this, they immediately think of the SAFETY problem. What a bunch of girliemen.
smartkart 3 years ago
actually if you wanted a quick burst of nitro you could purposefully vent one of the cans lol
FullFrontalCrudity 3 years ago
that sucks its toooooo slow!!!
Jacob8971 3 years ago
it's a start
immigranter 3 years ago
it sounds close to an actual gasoline engine. or a propeller plane hahaha. good work.
driftspecmotorsports 3 years ago
hey how much r those?
strpoop 3 years ago
hes running out of boost
supagog 3 years ago
I want one! 5/5
FrontalTraction 3 years ago
You can prolly rake up more speed if you apply more pressure, but not so much that your engine explodes, and also i was wondering, do you have any lubrication on it cause it sounded really rough.
SgtExplosion 3 years ago
Not very fast.
salemcripple 3 years ago
but better than walking
madden317 3 years ago
true, but give me my YFZ 450, or my 12hp kart, or any one of my cars over it any day.
salemcripple 3 years ago
yea but you don't need to pay for gas.
randomguy9898 3 years ago
Who cares! Once again, I'd much rather pay for like $20 bucks worth of gas (which will last all day in my YFZ) and have to hold on for dear life, than just put around slower than i can run.
salemcripple 3 years ago
whatever. wayy cooler anyway.
randomguy9898 3 years ago
It's cool, i'm not doubting that in any way. But still, give me top speed, and acceleration (which is way cooler) over this any day. Find a way to make this go 90mph, and accelerate like an internal combustion engine can, with an all day range, now THAT would be cool!
salemcripple 3 years ago
or you could hook up a cheap comppressor to a small bettery put it on, and you can have fun refueling, while it goes on and on. besides, it probably wasn't meant for speed, just a prototype. after all gas engines had thier days of problems too.
randomguy9898 3 years ago
Exactly, I'm pretty sure the first gas engine wasn't exacly as fast as anything we have now. With a little bit of R&D this technology could get us out of out of our so called energy crisis, or many other technologies for that matter.
i3luntivian 3 years ago