heh "57mm". funny how drastically autocannon calibers have come down in such a short time. nowadays modernized 40mm is the largest cannon caliber anyone would even consider. anything wider provides just nothing in returns, and there's 40mm autocannon calibers coming out that make everything else available in higher calibers so obsolete it's ludicrous.
@roknikov Oko sto vozila. Stavr je bila u tome sto se vec tokom testiranja u Cehoslovackoj pokazalo da top nije mnogo efikasniji od prostije i jeftinije M53/59 (popularne 'Prage'), tako da je ova bila odabrana kao glavno samohodno oruzje i cehoslovacke i jugoslovenske armije.
bok, kažeš da je učinkovita bila kao i praga - da to nije možda zbog lošeg ciljnika koji se u to vrijeme koristio, a koji nije dozvoljavao da se iskoristi puni kapacitet tog kalibra
@bana002 Moguće. Ja sam samo naveo ono što su u paralelnim testiranjima zaključili u čehoslovačkoj armiji. Treba uzeti u obzir da je tada kada se oružje usvajalo, doktrina bombardera bila ta da se (kako bi se izbegli radari) ka meti išlo u brišućem letu. U takvim uslovima veliki domet i snaga projektila služi manje nego veća brzina vatre. I sovjeti su ovaj sistem skoro u potpunosti zamenili Šilkom koja je imala 4 x 23mm topa i radar za navođenje vatre na samom sistemu.
nothing to keep in this device : but it seem after to raise to 35mm the usa and euro are developing a 50mm fullautogun :
it take advantage of rapid rate of fire ,long range ,high speed and heavy weight shells alowing sensor fuse or arow sabot or big frag / big explod : in fact that can destroy a heavy tank from rear or side
its seem the new amphibious usa vehicule have a turet designed for accept 50mm gun ,and the sweedeish cv90/40bofors radar need better than a 1938 year gun
Not really any point in improving the ZSU-57-2 since the ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" was already entering service at the time. Finland did look at modernising their ZSU-57-2's but the costs outweighed the benefits.
I'm puzzled as to why the Soviets didn't improve the motors, stabilization, and fire control for the ZSU-57-2 Sparka --- it has a longer reach and one HELL of a lot more hitting power than the ZSU-23-4 Shilka (in World War 2, all but the most heavily-armored tanks could be killed with a 57mm shell!).
The hit probability with the technology available when they developed the Shilka, would have been too low to be practical. And they did prioritize the hit probability over hitting power when they developed it. So did the US when they replaced its 40mm guns with the Vulcan.
@BlacktailFA true, add ranging radar ( and lazer rangefinder for redundancy) for automatic aming and fuze setting and u got one bad ass weapon system, both for ground and air targets.
Nope! Finnish army made one example for testing but it just wasn't worth the trouble. And this is the army that kept them up to last decade for anti-helicopter duty. Apparently the rate of fire is just too slow and there is no even remotely modern ammo aviable.
My absolute favorite armored vehicle. It's effective Against anything that's not an MBT or a fast flying jet. Everything else in between it can wipe out no problem.
More of this particularly awesome SPAAG?
.... Not just Self propelled anti aircraft, but self propelled anti everything!
I cant wait to get mine. Ex Egyptian owned, Some thirty thousand dollars. I dunno what it's actually worth, but it's damn cheap XD
heh "57mm". funny how drastically autocannon calibers have come down in such a short time. nowadays modernized 40mm is the largest cannon caliber anyone would even consider. anything wider provides just nothing in returns, and there's 40mm autocannon calibers coming out that make everything else available in higher calibers so obsolete it's ludicrous.
NameNotAlreadyTaken2 2 months ago
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american ron reagan and NATO were winner,,,
ussr russia is always waste waste arms weapons,,,
ussr russia and warsaw pact were LOSER,,,
thank to ron reagan did tear down this wall
bestamerica 10 months ago
@bestamerica
thank you to destroyeing europe with your shit policy
now shitslam and terrorism is everywhere because your of
but time will come Europe Russia and Usa will fight together against shitslam
DJMikaelito 8 months ago
DJMikaelito,
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i rather only america and europe can do that,,,
no need ussr russia
bestamerica 8 months ago
@bestamerica
haha i see your a filthy brainwashed american....look your country has a growing state of muslims....
im from europe and i hate american pigs like you.
fuck off your worst then the fking commies.
DJMikaelito 8 months ago
DJMikaelito,
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sure mike,,,
no problem,,,
then dont come to visit in america,,,
dont use american computer,,,
dont watch american tv show,,,
leave america alone,,,
remember america is the best great wonderful country than ussr russia evil empire country
bestamerica 8 months ago
@bestamerica
Hmm for your Info....nabster
Americans come to visit my place not vise versa.
American computers ? hahaha all the best scientists even in the usa are Europeans....
American computers are made in China like are Humwees that you are so proud of....your fking army humwees are build in China.... nice heh ?
american tv show is shit you can only make good porn and nothing more .
im not russian you dumpshit fuck off jew boy go and suck some jewish balls you massonic cunt
DJMikaelito 8 months ago
@bestamerica
you are still stuck at the 70s jew boy
go and die for afghanistan....since you invaded afghanistan geroine-heroine production busted up to 10000%
america is a protectorate of israel even your president barack obama belong to the massons....
and hahaha all the republicans belong to the massonic order i know that you vote for republicans they are all jew controlled like the democrats.
oh home boy ghetto boy yo dog some crack ? hahaha nigger jew boy latino
DJMikaelito 8 months ago
Ovo sam ja vozil u Subotici 1975. JNA.
mihabakran 1 year ago
@mihabakran koliko ih je JNA imala?
roknikov 1 year ago
@roknikov Oko sto vozila. Stavr je bila u tome sto se vec tokom testiranja u Cehoslovackoj pokazalo da top nije mnogo efikasniji od prostije i jeftinije M53/59 (popularne 'Prage'), tako da je ova bila odabrana kao glavno samohodno oruzje i cehoslovacke i jugoslovenske armije.
MarkoParabucki 11 months ago
@MarkoParabucki hvala na info!
roknikov 11 months ago
bok, kažeš da je učinkovita bila kao i praga - da to nije možda zbog lošeg ciljnika koji se u to vrijeme koristio, a koji nije dozvoljavao da se iskoristi puni kapacitet tog kalibra
bana002 10 months ago
@bana002 Moguće. Ja sam samo naveo ono što su u paralelnim testiranjima zaključili u čehoslovačkoj armiji. Treba uzeti u obzir da je tada kada se oružje usvajalo, doktrina bombardera bila ta da se (kako bi se izbegli radari) ka meti išlo u brišućem letu. U takvim uslovima veliki domet i snaga projektila služi manje nego veća brzina vatre. I sovjeti su ovaj sistem skoro u potpunosti zamenili Šilkom koja je imala 4 x 23mm topa i radar za navođenje vatre na samom sistemu.
MarkoParabucki 10 months ago
nothing to keep in this device : but it seem after to raise to 35mm the usa and euro are developing a 50mm fullautogun :
it take advantage of rapid rate of fire ,long range ,high speed and heavy weight shells alowing sensor fuse or arow sabot or big frag / big explod : in fact that can destroy a heavy tank from rear or side
its seem the new amphibious usa vehicule have a turet designed for accept 50mm gun ,and the sweedeish cv90/40bofors radar need better than a 1938 year gun
omnianti0 2 years ago
the concept seems weak against evry thing and i think the only value is against helico
omnianti0 2 years ago
When it was in service, helicopters were usually shot down with rifles.
PKSnsk 2 years ago
Not really any point in improving the ZSU-57-2 since the ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" was already entering service at the time. Finland did look at modernising their ZSU-57-2's but the costs outweighed the benefits.
balacau 2 years ago
I'm puzzled as to why the Soviets didn't improve the motors, stabilization, and fire control for the ZSU-57-2 Sparka --- it has a longer reach and one HELL of a lot more hitting power than the ZSU-23-4 Shilka (in World War 2, all but the most heavily-armored tanks could be killed with a 57mm shell!).
BlacktailFA 2 years ago 2
The hit probability with the technology available when they developed the Shilka, would have been too low to be practical. And they did prioritize the hit probability over hitting power when they developed it. So did the US when they replaced its 40mm guns with the Vulcan.
SAsgarters 2 years ago 3
@BlacktailFA true, add ranging radar ( and lazer rangefinder for redundancy) for automatic aming and fuze setting and u got one bad ass weapon system, both for ground and air targets.
tbilisicentral 1 year ago
modernise this thing, and you got a devastating weapon.
draadstaal33 2 years ago 16
@draadstaal33
Nope! Finnish army made one example for testing but it just wasn't worth the trouble. And this is the army that kept them up to last decade for anti-helicopter duty. Apparently the rate of fire is just too slow and there is no even remotely modern ammo aviable.
sjumppanen 8 months ago
@sjumppanen dude, dont use them for airplanes, use them for ground targets. czech pragas in yugoslav army were devastating for ground targets.
uzickimajmunac 6 months ago
@uzickimajmunac
Bit pointless now as they are now scrapped, but remembering that who they would be facing in war. I don't think that they would be very usefull.
sjumppanen 5 months ago
@sjumppanen it would, believe me.
uzickimajmunac 5 months ago
My absolute favorite armored vehicle. It's effective Against anything that's not an MBT or a fast flying jet. Everything else in between it can wipe out no problem.
More of this particularly awesome SPAAG?
.... Not just Self propelled anti aircraft, but self propelled anti everything!
I cant wait to get mine. Ex Egyptian owned, Some thirty thousand dollars. I dunno what it's actually worth, but it's damn cheap XD
peepeevagi 2 years ago 2