Wow man! I forgot all the drama that went down over this stuff. I'm glad you have moved on to pleasing and appreciating your customers unlike what's his name. I have no reservations asking you even a stupid question without fear of you mocking me on YouTube. Thanks again for your class and your products. Looks like I need to get another order ready.
@TFCRick Man I moved on long ago, this guy can keep making suttle remarks towards me if he wants to I keep hearing stuff from other people and that's ok. I can promise I don't get on the tube and make fun of people and act like they are stupid. I have heard I look mad on my videos and I don't think so but it's better than looking goofy!
The penny stove is not copy written or trade marked, google it. Tinnys designs are all him, from the ground up. Buying his stuff then changing a tiny bit of it then selling the whole design as yours, dang.. thats cold.
@unowild Understand one thing before you run your mouth, I NEVER SAID I CREATED THE STOVE! I SAID AND I QUOTE "I SAW THIS STOVE LIKED THE DESIGN BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD WORK BETTER FOR ME WITH A LITTLE REDESIGN AND I WAS NOT GOING TO PUT IT ON MY STORE PAGE BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT TO STEP ON ANYBODY"S TOES!, ALSO I HAVE NEVER BOUGHT A STOVE FROM HIM, EVER!!!!!!!!!! Get your facts together before you start things you know nothing about
A little competition never hurt anybody. Sell yer stoves! There is no patent on penny stoves, and even if there was if you made a modification, you could go and get a patent on your modification. Sell yer stoves!!!
@plasticsoldiersRico or just search around for another stove to slightly change then sell as your own, huh. Try that with a car or the iphone and see where is gets ya.
@plasticsoldiersRico Yup, we all know. Keep up the good work here, there should be more items to copy and slightly change in the future. This is tiring..
Hopefully you got my pm that i sent about the lids. BTW if you are going to give those stoves away, I would be proud to own and make a video of it being used in the woods. When ya get my PM it will all make sense.
Not trying to get into the fued here but I was wondering what you think about using those thick energy cans like the team realtree ones to make a basic penny stove I am trying to make a stove just big enough to bring a canteen cup of H2O to a boil for if I need to boil H20 in the feild to purify it any ideas?
Truth is. If someone wants to "own" their design and call themselves an "inventor" they need to get a patent. Otherwise, you are open to having other people use your ideas. Not steal your ideas. Its what any smart business person would do. If you have some sort of special design you want to keep others from using, that's how it works. Not just here in the US, but across the world.
I agree with you concerning the 'property right' issue. Alcohols stoves have been around for many years,all designs are more or less 'inspired' by others.
However, what's annoying or downright creepy about you and your channels is your obsession with Tinny and his channel. It seems you're trying live his life.
Tinny is a kind of a prima donna, and stove building ain't rocket science as you said it. This makes your obsession even more loathsome.
This is something that “tiny” has said about himself back in November of 2008: (I quote) I have in the past been a real cruel and arrogant person and have treated some people very badly. At the time i truly felt they deserved it. I am the victim of my own stupidity and inexperience from my past antics and some of my bad behavior is coming home to roost in the form of harsh comments, bad attitudes and hate mail. ---Tinny---MBDCult
I understand it's your turn in the barrel with Tinny. Couple of years ago it was my turn when I tried to tell him that people would give him grief for using the United States flag as a table cloth. Believe it or not I still get crap from him yet so I have a feeling how it's going for you.
There are probably so many people that have taken a turn in his crap barrel that we should start a TINNY (Tinny Is Not Nice Y'all) fan club. All I can say is consider the source and keep on doing what you're doing.
Tinny is one oddball. If someone calls me a thief, you have to answer and I wouldn't had been as nice. Tinny's m5 stove is a mod that others have talked about well before he made his. These stoves have been around in one form or another for over 50yrs. Tinny could have filed a patent, but no court would uphold it cause Tinny knows there would be others suing him for stealing their idea. Tiny started the war, smoke ended it.
What age are you two... you are both acting like two year old's...
you are both wrong and right about certain points but there is no reason to openly abuse each other on a open web site if you have to fight use email or pm....
ps i love both of your videos but the resent ones from both of you are bumming me out
Yeah, well, I thought better about getting in the middle of this "feud" I don't have an opinion either way. Honestly no one looks good in a situation like this. Good luck with your videos. Opening yourself up to the internet has it's annoyances I guess.
@packratco I understand totally. No matter what you do, there is always going to be somebody that does not like what you do. That is why we live in the good old USA, everybody is different. Take care.
I was the one who challenged him about the finish... Then he took the time to do a video reply because I dare question the scratches and poor finish. The really pissed me off!
Like you said about the penny stove, same goes for the Heiny or Foster Pot. Ultimately it's competition that keeps the world turning and imaginative juices flowing. Could you imagine if we all drove identical cars, or lived in identical houses, etc, etc, etc. I don't know about you, but I'm thankful for competitors! As far as the rude comments about your kids that is completely uncalled for and takes a real low-life to stoop that low. Anyways, keep up the good work!
Smoke: I don't know who's right or who's wrong on the stove. But, it's clear that while you both have differences, Tinny has never called you by anything other than your online name and has never referred to you with degrading slang. You have not offered the same courtesy. I, who haven't met either of you, feel that it's wrong to reference another human being, another utuber, another camper, whatever your disagreement, as you have in this video. One way of looking at it, Smoke.
@coolkayaker1 Tinny called Smoke a thief (checking online, name--nope, not in there). If that's okay because he fits the definition, then Tinny is a whiner because he whines, a hypocrite because he modifies other people's stoves in like fashion and sells them and is also sociopath because he kisses up to Hammock Forum after apologizing for saying something crass about them in order to manipulate them into nixing him from the forums--saying people are starting to think HF is behind the "theft".
You could speak about Tinny by his name, he gives you that respect. Yes, all gear manufacturers copy each other. (Example, North Face VE 25 Tents) Seldom is the quality matched. Face it, you are not the lead dog on the sled, Tinny is and you don't like it. (How is the view?) Find a different product to "improve". I doubt that you really improved the design or the quality.
The hiking and backpacking world is very little if not for the continual adaptation of gear by different people to continue on an evolution of better refined gear through each person that takes an idea and run with it. We have so many things in our packs today that are exceptional pieces of gear because it has gone through different people at different times, to become what it is.
Dude someone posted that they would slap my boy on one of my videos last night. Not cool. In real life you would get wrecked for saying that. Hate internet warriors!
Yeah I believe the first time he made me have a wtf moment was when he got removed from adsense on youtube for violation of terms and agreements and said he didn't do violate anything. In fact he had made a video saying to click the ads.which is against the tos.
very nice, I have been watching his videos for some time now. I have noticed the negativity building with his videos too. I think you hit it right on the nose. Focus on the good in the sport and you will do just fine.
Keep up the good work Smokeeater. I used to watch Tinny's videos regularly, but he has gone to far. People copy stoves all the time, I have done and thousands of others have...only difference is most don't have access to CNC. Now that someone challenges Tinny, he freaks. Bad form on his part all around, he has crossed the line in my eyes. I unsubscribed and don't plan to watch anymore.
@aboyd45 I used to be an avid follower too but in the last year or so I've seen him get really negative with a lot of things. Now I just watch him to see who he's unhappy with this week. I really don't understand what is going on there.
Wow! You just admitted you took (stole) his design but its OK because he has sold modified designs too. Rationalize all you want. But if it smells like a skunk and walks like a skunk, well, you get my meaning.
@BrokenAeroVT Hmm, stealing a mans product that he created from the ground up (the M5) then slightly changing one thing and selling it off as your own.... Wow, what logic. o,O?
@unowild He changed more than 1 thing, thus even tinny said it's not really an M5 anymore. At least get your facts straight when u launch a bitch. Tinny has no bitch *because* what Smoke did & admits is exactly what Tinny has been doing with many products he's taken from the net, modified & sold. That's Smokes point. If u still don't get that, you'd make an excellent member for tinny's cult. Tinny likes such shallow thinking worshippers reinforcing his grandiose delusions of himself.
@BrokenAeroVT what a stupid thing to say. Accusing me of things knowing nothing of me. He bought a product /m5) and others) from tinny then changed a few things from it (to keep from being sued Im guessing) and is now reselling it as his own and you think this is ok? Yes, im bitching that absolutely no videos exists showing where most of these products (except the penny stove) were developed, how they were made other than the design copied and then fed into a maching. Im not any cult member,
@unowild Hey, I said IF you still don't get that...but since you reacted like one of his moron cult followers in your last comment, maybe that does apply afterall.
@ddymnm Being absolutely objective and logical, the statement doesn't make sense. From my understanding, the origin started with how"he" accused "smokey" of being a thief, not the other way around. Smoke simply put into perspective the whole picture. We all draw inspiration for new ideas from others, both them guys are great stove makers. Speaking only for myself, if someone "copied" my design, modified it and found success with it, I'd be flattered because my idea inspired another.
Wow man! I forgot all the drama that went down over this stuff. I'm glad you have moved on to pleasing and appreciating your customers unlike what's his name. I have no reservations asking you even a stupid question without fear of you mocking me on YouTube. Thanks again for your class and your products. Looks like I need to get another order ready.
TFCRick 1 month ago
@TFCRick Man I moved on long ago, this guy can keep making suttle remarks towards me if he wants to I keep hearing stuff from other people and that's ok. I can promise I don't get on the tube and make fun of people and act like they are stupid. I have heard I look mad on my videos and I don't think so but it's better than looking goofy!
smokeeater908 1 month ago
I accually like both of yalls stoves...keep up the good work smoke
VAbackpacker 1 month ago
@VAbackpacker Thanks brother the thing is there is enough room in the hiking community for even more stove makers. take care and thanks again
smokeeater908 1 month ago
What's really funny is that mustache.
SomeRustySpoons 3 months ago
The penny stove is not copy written or trade marked, google it. Tinnys designs are all him, from the ground up. Buying his stuff then changing a tiny bit of it then selling the whole design as yours, dang.. thats cold.
unowild 4 months ago
@unowild Understand one thing before you run your mouth, I NEVER SAID I CREATED THE STOVE! I SAID AND I QUOTE "I SAW THIS STOVE LIKED THE DESIGN BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD WORK BETTER FOR ME WITH A LITTLE REDESIGN AND I WAS NOT GOING TO PUT IT ON MY STORE PAGE BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT TO STEP ON ANYBODY"S TOES!, ALSO I HAVE NEVER BOUGHT A STOVE FROM HIM, EVER!!!!!!!!!! Get your facts together before you start things you know nothing about
smokeeater908 4 months ago
A little competition never hurt anybody. Sell yer stoves! There is no patent on penny stoves, and even if there was if you made a modification, you could go and get a patent on your modification. Sell yer stoves!!!
plasticsoldiersRico 4 months ago
@plasticsoldiersRico or just search around for another stove to slightly change then sell as your own, huh. Try that with a car or the iphone and see where is gets ya.
unowild 4 months ago
@unowild
Its been done with both bud. the iphone and cars.
plasticsoldiersRico 4 months ago
@plasticsoldiersRico Yup, we all know. Keep up the good work here, there should be more items to copy and slightly change in the future. This is tiring..
unowild 4 months ago
Whiney is a D-bag. But you can thank him for one more subscriber.
HomeMadeHiker 4 months ago
@HomeMadeHiker I appreciate the support, I'm trying to do the best I can on these vids.
smokeeater908 4 months ago
Hopefully you got my pm that i sent about the lids. BTW if you are going to give those stoves away, I would be proud to own and make a video of it being used in the woods. When ya get my PM it will all make sense.
kidpasty72 4 months ago
Not trying to get into the fued here but I was wondering what you think about using those thick energy cans like the team realtree ones to make a basic penny stove I am trying to make a stove just big enough to bring a canteen cup of H2O to a boil for if I need to boil H20 in the feild to purify it any ideas?
bigjohn20081983 4 months ago
@bigjohn20081983 Well I have tested that before and am actually working on that again, I will post it when I get it done. Thanks
smokeeater908 4 months ago
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spacecowboy2k 4 months ago
You both need to grow up
rmojo23 4 months ago
Truth is. If someone wants to "own" their design and call themselves an "inventor" they need to get a patent. Otherwise, you are open to having other people use your ideas. Not steal your ideas. Its what any smart business person would do. If you have some sort of special design you want to keep others from using, that's how it works. Not just here in the US, but across the world.
ljcsov 4 months ago 2
I agree with you concerning the 'property right' issue. Alcohols stoves have been around for many years,all designs are more or less 'inspired' by others.
However, what's annoying or downright creepy about you and your channels is your obsession with Tinny and his channel. It seems you're trying live his life.
Tinny is a kind of a prima donna, and stove building ain't rocket science as you said it. This makes your obsession even more loathsome.
Be original, no need to copycat a prima donna.
AceMcMoron 4 months ago 2
This is something that “tiny” has said about himself back in November of 2008: (I quote) I have in the past been a real cruel and arrogant person and have treated some people very badly. At the time i truly felt they deserved it. I am the victim of my own stupidity and inexperience from my past antics and some of my bad behavior is coming home to roost in the form of harsh comments, bad attitudes and hate mail. ---Tinny---MBDCult
zellph 4 months ago 2
I understand it's your turn in the barrel with Tinny. Couple of years ago it was my turn when I tried to tell him that people would give him grief for using the United States flag as a table cloth. Believe it or not I still get crap from him yet so I have a feeling how it's going for you.
hiramcook 4 months ago
There are probably so many people that have taken a turn in his crap barrel that we should start a TINNY (Tinny Is Not Nice Y'all) fan club. All I can say is consider the source and keep on doing what you're doing.
hiramcook 4 months ago
@hiramcook Thanks Hiram that means a lot coming from you, I really enjoy your videos. You do a great job!
smokeeater908 4 months ago
Tinny is one oddball. If someone calls me a thief, you have to answer and I wouldn't had been as nice. Tinny's m5 stove is a mod that others have talked about well before he made his. These stoves have been around in one form or another for over 50yrs. Tinny could have filed a patent, but no court would uphold it cause Tinny knows there would be others suing him for stealing their idea. Tiny started the war, smoke ended it.
glee46 4 months ago
What age are you two... you are both acting like two year old's...
you are both wrong and right about certain points but there is no reason to openly abuse each other on a open web site if you have to fight use email or pm....
ps i love both of your videos but the resent ones from both of you are bumming me out
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CarpCatcher83 4 months ago
Anybody that play "Hank" can't be bad.........lol
ReeperzOutdoors 4 months ago in playlist Liked
smoke you are right on.i copy stoves too also make my own design.
RJBURG 4 months ago
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hikerjack1 4 months ago
"Borrowing" the design of a pop can stove and one that requires machining and design work are two different things.
hikerjack1 4 months ago
Hey if those stoves don't sell on ebay I would love to have one! Let me know
xerocool2 4 months ago
Way to go Smoke that guy in Maine is a smart ass!
hammockguy370 4 months ago
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packratco 4 months ago
@packratco Don't need music for that, and your funny Ha Ha Ha...........
smokeeater908 4 months ago
@smokeeater908
Yeah, well, I thought better about getting in the middle of this "feud" I don't have an opinion either way. Honestly no one looks good in a situation like this. Good luck with your videos. Opening yourself up to the internet has it's annoyances I guess.
packratco 4 months ago
@packratco I understand totally. No matter what you do, there is always going to be somebody that does not like what you do. That is why we live in the good old USA, everybody is different. Take care.
smokeeater908 4 months ago
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packratco 4 months ago
Nicely done Smokeeater908.
raiffnuke 4 months ago
I was the one who challenged him about the finish... Then he took the time to do a video reply because I dare question the scratches and poor finish. The really pissed me off!
makemineatriple2006 4 months ago
Like you said about the penny stove, same goes for the Heiny or Foster Pot. Ultimately it's competition that keeps the world turning and imaginative juices flowing. Could you imagine if we all drove identical cars, or lived in identical houses, etc, etc, etc. I don't know about you, but I'm thankful for competitors! As far as the rude comments about your kids that is completely uncalled for and takes a real low-life to stoop that low. Anyways, keep up the good work!
BCkayakcamper 4 months ago
Smoke: I don't know who's right or who's wrong on the stove. But, it's clear that while you both have differences, Tinny has never called you by anything other than your online name and has never referred to you with degrading slang. You have not offered the same courtesy. I, who haven't met either of you, feel that it's wrong to reference another human being, another utuber, another camper, whatever your disagreement, as you have in this video. One way of looking at it, Smoke.
coolkayaker1 4 months ago 15
@coolkayaker1 At least he was HONEST hahaha
BrokenAeroVT 4 months ago
@coolkayaker1 Tinny called Smoke a thief (checking online, name--nope, not in there). If that's okay because he fits the definition, then Tinny is a whiner because he whines, a hypocrite because he modifies other people's stoves in like fashion and sells them and is also sociopath because he kisses up to Hammock Forum after apologizing for saying something crass about them in order to manipulate them into nixing him from the forums--saying people are starting to think HF is behind the "theft".
BrokenAeroVT 4 months ago
Nicely done Robbie :-)
medicjimr 4 months ago
Awesome!
rongallant 4 months ago
You could speak about Tinny by his name, he gives you that respect. Yes, all gear manufacturers copy each other. (Example, North Face VE 25 Tents) Seldom is the quality matched. Face it, you are not the lead dog on the sled, Tinny is and you don't like it. (How is the view?) Find a different product to "improve". I doubt that you really improved the design or the quality.
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Great video dude...
mediamst 4 months ago
Tinny has such a huge head it's not even funny. He is losing it
mediamst 4 months ago
Glad to know there are others that turned away from the Koolaid. Nice work Brother.
HomeMadeHiker 4 months ago
Well if there is no patient WHO CARES........lol The side burns was a good one........lmao Nice
ReeperzOutdoors 4 months ago
Thumbs up and Favorite.
FriarTuck1961 4 months ago
The hiking and backpacking world is very little if not for the continual adaptation of gear by different people to continue on an evolution of better refined gear through each person that takes an idea and run with it. We have so many things in our packs today that are exceptional pieces of gear because it has gone through different people at different times, to become what it is.
RedwoodOutdoors 4 months ago
Nice. Nuff Said.
fishwolfSBK 4 months ago
This is almost as good as MMA! Lets gt ready to rumble!
jonfong57 4 months ago
glad to hear u admit to stealing tinnys design not just the M5 but alot of his work. all the rest is bunch of BS chatter.
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sgtmarkins 4 months ago
@sgtmarkins if thats what u want to believe then you'll believe anything and already enjoying life , " so FOAES "
Fuck Off And Eat Shit
24JoeyL 4 months ago
Dude someone posted that they would slap my boy on one of my videos last night. Not cool. In real life you would get wrecked for saying that. Hate internet warriors!
RaulPerez1 4 months ago
@RaulPerez1 I agree Raul that crap is just uncalled for!
smokeeater908 4 months ago
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sgtmarkins 4 months ago
@sgtmarkins No need like I said I'm done, he can say what he wants I don't care. I will be the bigger man!
smokeeater908 4 months ago
@smokeeater908 We both are... If you are?... Just sitting back and watching.
sgtmarkins 4 months ago
@smokeeater908 Thanks my man... I feel ya and from one Southern brother to another your doin good.... Best of luck.
sgtmarkins 4 months ago
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03:58 "Be Nice!" LOL
Extesd 4 months ago
Yeah I believe the first time he made me have a wtf moment was when he got removed from adsense on youtube for violation of terms and agreements and said he didn't do violate anything. In fact he had made a video saying to click the ads.which is against the tos.
frogoftoob 4 months ago
god feud. most entertaining. will watch more videoz now. dj
djhikerdave 4 months ago
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Extesd 4 months ago
very nice, I have been watching his videos for some time now. I have noticed the negativity building with his videos too. I think you hit it right on the nose. Focus on the good in the sport and you will do just fine.
spectre9801 4 months ago
Hey dude, what part of the south are you from? I grew up in NC. Must admit I miss it quite a bit.
223rocks 4 months ago
Keep up the good work Smokeeater. I used to watch Tinny's videos regularly, but he has gone to far. People copy stoves all the time, I have done and thousands of others have...only difference is most don't have access to CNC. Now that someone challenges Tinny, he freaks. Bad form on his part all around, he has crossed the line in my eyes. I unsubscribed and don't plan to watch anymore.
aboyd45 4 months ago
@aboyd45 I used to be an avid follower too but in the last year or so I've seen him get really negative with a lot of things. Now I just watch him to see who he's unhappy with this week. I really don't understand what is going on there.
jasonb329 4 months ago 4
Wow! You just admitted you took (stole) his design but its OK because he has sold modified designs too. Rationalize all you want. But if it smells like a skunk and walks like a skunk, well, you get my meaning.
ddymnm 4 months ago 14
@ddymnm He admitted nothing. He just proved that Tinhead has no bitch.
BrokenAeroVT 4 months ago
@BrokenAeroVT Hmm, stealing a mans product that he created from the ground up (the M5) then slightly changing one thing and selling it off as your own.... Wow, what logic. o,O?
unowild 4 months ago
@unowild He changed more than 1 thing, thus even tinny said it's not really an M5 anymore. At least get your facts straight when u launch a bitch. Tinny has no bitch *because* what Smoke did & admits is exactly what Tinny has been doing with many products he's taken from the net, modified & sold. That's Smokes point. If u still don't get that, you'd make an excellent member for tinny's cult. Tinny likes such shallow thinking worshippers reinforcing his grandiose delusions of himself.
BrokenAeroVT 4 months ago
@BrokenAeroVT what a stupid thing to say. Accusing me of things knowing nothing of me. He bought a product /m5) and others) from tinny then changed a few things from it (to keep from being sued Im guessing) and is now reselling it as his own and you think this is ok? Yes, im bitching that absolutely no videos exists showing where most of these products (except the penny stove) were developed, how they were made other than the design copied and then fed into a maching. Im not any cult member,
unowild 4 months ago
@unowild Hey, I said IF you still don't get that...but since you reacted like one of his moron cult followers in your last comment, maybe that does apply afterall.
BrokenAeroVT 4 months ago
@ddymnm Being absolutely objective and logical, the statement doesn't make sense. From my understanding, the origin started with how"he" accused "smokey" of being a thief, not the other way around. Smoke simply put into perspective the whole picture. We all draw inspiration for new ideas from others, both them guys are great stove makers. Speaking only for myself, if someone "copied" my design, modified it and found success with it, I'd be flattered because my idea inspired another.
JNOTECH 3 months ago
Tinny made a comment about your machine shop.
If you look at one of his older videos he sold a stove and said the proceeds would go towards folks wanting to start up there own shop.
I think he owes u some money.
2kargarage1 4 months ago
Tinny is intimidated by your skill. It's obvious.
MaybeMistaken 4 months ago
LOL This is getting good .
jonmorry333 4 months ago
@jonmorry333 Normally I don't watch the youtube feuds, but I have to agree with you, this one is getting good.
Tinny's latest video showing someones address who disagreed with him is bad form.
SkogKniv 4 months ago
I like tinny, but.... He is %100 wrong. Tinny does look like a jackass right now.
Uberhilarious 4 months ago
What's the name of ur website?
Do u sell the rings and lids separately for the cook pots?
Tinny sux
2kargarage1 4 months ago