Paradigm Atom Monitor Speakers, Yamaha A/V Receiver

[lizardmannnn]

Hey have you ever heard of wharferdale speakers? I came across some online but just wondering if you have heard them or anything.

[falkenlaser]

@lizardmannnn Yes our family has a Wharfedale Diamond-series surround system in the living room (I may make a video of it eventually). They are very good speakers. What models are you looking at?

[lizardmannnn]

@falkenlaser I was looking at the Wharfedale Diamond 10.1 vs maybe something like a Paradigm titan monitor for mainly home theater use which would you choose?

[falkenlaser]

@lizardmannnn Paradigm no longer makes the Titan Monitors; they recently came out with the Monitor Series 7 (which it's a big improvement over the S.6), and all they have for bookshelfs now are the Atoms and Minis.

But, the Diamond 10.1 would be more equal to the Atom Monitor as far as size goes. I haven't heard the Diamond 10 series, but considering how our 9.1's compare to my Atoms, I'd say the Atoms would be better for movies. The Atoms have a "brighter" sound than the Wharfedales.

[cadnyc]

i got them brand spanking new from a dealer on audiogon.com. offered $240. shipped. my atoms are v6

[falkenlaser]

@cadnyc Okay if it was from Audiogon, then I'd say they're probably safe. Just so you know, Paradigm does not authorize any Paradigm dealer to sell their products online. If you buy anything they make off the internet, it won't have a warranty, and there's a chance the product could be damaged or even a bait-and-switch. So if you ever add more Paradigm speakers to your system, get them at an authorized storefront dealer.

[cadnyc]

my paradimg atoms are arriving on tuesday. cant wait to hook them up to my onkyo nr807. utube videos will be up next week

[falkenlaser]

@cadnyc Where did you get them?

[cadnyc]

nice atoms. I'm getting them soon for surround speakers

[falkenlaser]

@cadnyc Thanks :) Are you getting the new Series 7 Atoms?

[cichlidkeeper89]

This and your other videos convinced me to sell my bose acoustimass, and buy paradigm. I have the atom monitors v.6 for my fronts. I have never in my life heard such amazing midrange. The highs are crisp. The lows tight (a little lacking, but they're small speakers). And even better, I got them used from my local sound shop 5 months old. $181 after tax. AMAZING speakers.

[MrNicknames123]

it pounds pretty hard

[vantageIIx]

If you're going to use the MacBook as your main source, why don't you check out a decent USB DAC?

[falkenlaser]

@vantageIIx Oh I've been wanting to get a V-DAC for some time now. But now I got a 160 GB Apple TV, which basically does the same thing (lets the receiver do the digital-to-analog conversion).

[MrMobsta55]

looks like a condom

[JoshParsons84]

Am really torn between the Paradigm Atom's and Axiom M2's. Looked for video's on the Axiom's but cannot find anybody with them or who has them. Would really like to know how people respond to them. Have the Cinema ADP's and wanting to upgrade fronts so pretty set on the Atom's. But, food for though, has anybody heard the Axiom's?

[falkenlaser]

@JoshParsons84 I've never heard any Axiom speakers, and it sounds like the only way to hear them is to buy them direct from Axiom's website (in other words, you can't hear them before you buy them, which I consider a big turnoff).

But, since you already have Paradigm speakers, I would pair them with Paradigm speakers, as they will match them the best. Using another brand may give you a bad match. So, get the Atoms. They match the Cinema's wonderfully.

[raymondleeleggs]

I am not much of a bose fan either, but i'd love to have a pair or Refoamed 601 II's or the final version of the 701 which had two powered woofers in the back of the cabinet and the "8" front firing woofer. Too bad bose quit making big speakers..

How do Paradigms compaire to B&W 600 series?

[falkenlaser]

@raymondleeleggs The Paradigm Monitor system is right on par with the B&W 600 series. They just have a slightly different sound (Paradigm's are "brighter" and more efficient, while the B&W's are more mellow and have sort of a "flowing" sound).

[davidisfilipino]

Is it ok if you mix and match paradigm speakers? For example If you use titans with those cinema adps?

[falkenlaser]

@davidisfilipino While the Cinema ADP's are good with the Atoms and Minis, the Titans may be pushing it. If I were to get the Titans, I would go with the Monitor ADP-190s. But, listen for yourself at a dealer if you can.

[johny27ful]

what you think about canton speakers any good

[biggame11lb]

hey falcon seahawks won a playoff game vs the saints congrats i know your happy

[falkenlaser]

@biggame11lb Thanks! I sure am! Let's see how much further they can go. LOL I say the ultimate vengence would be for the Seahawks to make it to the Super Bowl against the Steelers...and beat the living shit out of them. Probably won't happen, but you know, it'd be awesome.

BTW did you hear that when Lynch made that 67-yard run, the crowd's (the 12th man!) cheering actually caused an earthquake as detected by the Pacific NW Seismic Network!

[falkenlaser]

@falkenlaser Well....Yeah, the Bears deserve to go ahead of the Seahawks. They did have the better season.

But still, for the first team to go to the playoffs with a losing record to actually win a playoff game, especially one against the defending Super Bowl champs, sure isn't bad.

Hopefully next year they'll do better. But dang, they have got to stop getting so many injuries. It's as if the players have bones made of glass.

[MrCdnAudiophile]

In the future do you plan on going to a separate 2 channel setup for music? Also you should look into a usb dac. Audionote UK has a nice Tube based DAC the DAC-Zero. You are right on the Atom's for being great value speakers.

[falkenlaser]

@MrCdnAudiophile YES a salesman at the dealer I go to is going to sell me a pair of Wharfedale Pacific Evolution 10's and an old Rotel amp (all for $250! Great price considering that would have been about $1200 retail). I'll probably get it next summer. And YES I want to get a USB DAC eventually. I was looking at the Peachtree Decco, but I figured there might be some better standalone DAC's out there for the same money (I probably wouldn't use the Decco's amp).

[MrCdnAudiophile]

@falkenlaser Sounds like a deal but I don't care for Rotel amp's. I would suggest selling it and switching to something else after you get a proper preamp. I went the opposite route then you. I bought a nice 2 channel setup first and am now looking for a proper 5.2 setup. A local deal has a deal right now with an Onkyo TX-SR608 and the Paradigm CT 90 set. The only thing is they do not sell the sub separately so I would have to go and buy 2 more subs that match. Probably 2 PDR-10's.

[falkenlaser]

@MrCdnAudiophile I am now considering waiting on the Rotel amp (it's a pretty old model, but I'd get it for $100). I'd probably just use my current A/V receiver to run the Wharfedales, for I hope to get an Anthem MRX300 receiver (you should check those out; if you know of Anthem and how much their stuff costs, they're coming out with a line of A/V receivers that start at $1000).

2 PDR-10's....That'd be some scary shit!

[hondahp18]

Just to let people know.. Don't be fooled by these "budget speakers". These atoms can fill a 30x40 room with sound easily. Paradigm is a great Canadian company.

[cichlidkeeper89]

have you heard the micro monitors yet? i like satellite speakers because of the size...but i dont like the sound i have to give up. so im lookin for a speaker that is small but still sounds good. i like the atoms... but feel they might be a little too big. its a small room. but i am afraid that the micros will try to die on me for i do like loud movies... hmm, how do you like your atoms? do they pack a punch? are they loud enough for home theater?

[falkenlaser]

@cichlidkeeper89 I haven't heard the Micros yet. But I know they won't die on you as long as you don't push your receiver too far. In fact, on the receivers that count down (as the number goes lower, it gets louder), it'd be safe to turn up even the Cinema 70's up to like "8".

However, if you want some damn high-end small speakers, Paradigm has answered by wish, which are the Millenia One speakers. They're 7.7 inches tall, but use the Paradigm Studio drivers! But, they're $250 each.

[kong890]

Paradigm ,best bang for your buck anywhere.Home theatre mag uses them to test other speakers against them.Whats that tell you???????????Nice job Falken,you know what your talking about, cheers from Canada

[falkenlaser]

@kong890 Thanks! Have you heard of Paradigm's new Millenia One speakers? Imagine a Cinema 90-sized speaker with Reference Studio drivers. That's the Millenia One (name's a little misleading since it uses Studio drivers). ULTIMATE Bose destroyer speakers. Spendy as hell though; $250 each, and the sub is $1000.

Also, have you heard of Anthem's MRX receivers? A/V receivers beginning at $1000. Can't wait to get one!

BTW, if you're a fan of it, compliments on Corner Gas from the USA!

[FortressOfEvil]

Your testing a music system listening to excrement like rap & pop! No wonder you don't like Bose, your not a connoisseur of music! An Ipod! Transformers! Go Bots! Star Wars! You won't be getting laid in that nerd fest of a room or closet judging by the size. Not even with Enya playing in the background could help your chances!

[falkenlaser]

@FortressOfEvil I thought it was your $62,200 MBL Uglyshitialstrahlers we were talking about and not Bose? And who says a connoisseur of music can't like rap and pop?

And oh yeah, gotta love Transformers. And Star Wars. And the iPod; the most popular MP3 player in the world and that everybody has. That's right, I'm a nerd. And I'm proud of it. Too bad for you.

[lizardmannnn]

Just got a pair of senheiser HD 555's and soon I hope to get some paradigm monitors.

[lizardmannnn]

no blu-ray?

[falkenlaser]

@lizardmannnn Nope, not yet. I want to get a 60 GB PS3 eventually, so then I'll be able to play Blu-Rays. But then, my TV only goes up to 720p, so it almost defeats the purpose of Blu-Ray, and that's why it hasn't been a top priority for me.

[chaosrealm93]

you love paradigm dont you =p

[falshami]

not knocking paradigm or anything , but man , i have to say , i convinced a paradigm owner into buying Bose today ,i just thought it was funny .

[falkenlaser]

@falshami Do you work at like Best Buy? Cause if you do, their demos are very deceptive. No other speaker in there, or anywhere else, is set up 3 ft. in front of your face like Bose's are, and are separate from other brands (no where will you see Bose's cube speakers near other brands at just about ANY dealer). So, it doesn't surprise me he did given he was basically scammed by a deceptive demo and false information.

[falkenlaser]

@falshami And, if you do work at Best Buy, or pretty much any dealer that sells Bose, no wonder you think Bose is the limit in sound quality the human ear could hear. Especially after you set a 300 watt Bose system could beat a "1000 watt" system. That suggests all you're used to hearing are those cheap HTiBs that list their max wattage, not their continuous wattage (I actually know of very few systems that have a true 1000 watts, except for some high-end subwoofers).

[falkenlaser]

@falshami And, I'd like you to do a blind test between a Paradigm system, especially one that costs the same as the V35. I almost guarantee you'd choose the Paradigm system. The brands at these big box stores are all sub-par to a lot of brands.

Heck, the definition of Paradigm on urbandictionary says:

A brand of speakers that are top of the line quality at a fraction of the price.

Go to Best Buy and ask if they have any Paradigm speakers in stock......chances are they've never heard of them.

[falkenlaser]

@falkenlaser And oh yeah, I'm putting up two new videos probably this coming Sunday (going to a family reunion this weekend). They address people who say "people that don't like Bose don't like it because they can't afford it." LOL they're gonna get a wakeup call! Also, you'll get a glimpse of Paradigm's SE sub. It's only 11 inches tall, wide, and long; even smaller than the Acoustimass module, and has a shiny cabinet; very nice looking. But, it's INSANELY powerful; even more than mine.

[falkenlaser]

@falkenlaser I heard it paired with a pair of Paradigm Cinema 70s (which are only 7 in. tall), which were powered by a $1000 Sony receiver (an Anthem MRX300 would take its place when it comes out). After adding the 4 surrounds and center plus a URC remote, it'd be $3300. And holy crap on a pogo stick, this thing was AMAZING. MUCH better than the Bose V35. The only downside is that it's receiver is huge. But other than that, I bet if most people heard this in front of the V35, they'd choose this.

[falkenlaser]

@falkenlaser Watch my two new videos. It shows a glimpse of the Paradigm SE sub. It's even smaller than Bose's Acoustimass module.

[falshami]

@falkenlaser well after doing some research , paradigm seems to be a bit over rated ,personally have not heard them yet myself , but i have heard they are ok , but not as good as some make them seem , i spoke to a few audio specialists that sell paradigm , they recommended me a few much better brands, they also were not endorsed by bose , the said bose was better , but definitely not the best , which i can agree with

[falkenlaser]

@falshami Did these dealers that sell Paradigm sell Bowers and Wilkins, too? I heard something very similar from a dealer that sold both those brands. He was REALLY into B&W, but scoffed whenever Paradigm was mentioned (he even said he could see it ending up in Best Buy. But, it sounds like B&W is going to be in Best Buy soon. Oh, the irony). This salesman even praised Bose based on how they make so good use of cheap materials (paper cone drivers). He admitted that Paradigm was better, though.

[falkenlaser]

@falshami B&W, plus other brands that are similar to Paradigm (in terms of exclusivity) sell speakers that are over $10,000/pair. Therefore, many of them have a "prestige" factor that Paradigm doesn't. So, I certainly could see a Paradigm dealer saying there's better since they may carry some of these other more "prestigious" brands. Heck, since Bose is a "prestigious" name, I could almost see one of these dealers saying it was better than Paradigm. There's a lot of snobbery in the audio world.

[falkenlaser]

@falshami I think Paradigm somewhat underrated company, especially since these B&W fanboys think B&W and other brands are better because they are more prestigious. Therefore, it's overshadowed. But, I think Paradigm has won more positive reviews and awards than any other audio company out there. Paradigm's speakers are often known to outperform more expensive speakers. Heck, the guy at the dealer I talked to a few weeks ago that sold Bose owns Paradigm, and says it's a lot better than Bose!

[falkenlaser]

@falshami Also, Paradigm's Reference Signature SUB25, which is $4000, has so far been the only subwoofer to receiver a review as being better than the JL Audio f113 Fathom, which is an AMAZING feat (the f113 Fathom is $3700, and was said in many reviews to outperform much more expensive subs). Also, Paradigm has recently come out with two new subwoofers that are unlike ANYTHING on the market. If you want to talk "innovation" and "research", these subs are and have both like nobody's business.

[falkenlaser]

@falshami I'm sending you the links to 2 different videos. One is about the Paradigm SUB1 and SUB2, and the guy discusses the difference between a cheap inexpensive HTiB subwoofer and a real subwoofer (and the real ones include Paradigm's less expensive ones, like the $400 one I own). The second video is a demonstration of the SUB2.

[falkenlaser]

@falshami And remember, about subwoofers: I have been told by 2 salesmen; one worked at an actual Bose-only store, and the other one I talked to last week, and they both said Bose's Acoustimass module is NOT a subwoofer. It can't play as low as one, and it plays too high. This is what I heard, too. The lower end of the mix CD I made was completely cut off. So, this means the Acoustimass module is what other cheap HTiB subs are, which that guy in the first video explains very well.

[falkenlaser]

@falshami Oh yeah, on another video, I see you left a comment saying people who don't like Bose just can't afford it. You should really watch my 2 new videos about that subject.

[JSmith856]

@falshami

Who's over rating them? Paradigm manufactures high end speakers. The deal with speakers is that they are subjective to interoperation by the listener. How can a 2" driver move enough air to be dynamic? It's clear physics here. If you go to a reputable dealer (do a CEDIA search and find one) I suggest a blind listening tests. Don't listen to what the salesman tells you that U need to buy. Listen to your own music that you know. Bring the CD/DVD and LISTEN to the music, don't hear it.

[falshami]

@JSmith856 im jsut saying from what i have been told there is alot better for the price then just paradigm

[falkenlaser]

@falshami Oh, and BTW, I didn't post that definition on Urbandictionary. I should post my own though. That one is kind of incomplete. But, I thought the part about Best Buy was funny.

[falshami]

@falkenlaser haha man , i'd like to meet you man , you seem cool . and yeah i know the demos at best buy lol , its just while at work a man brought it up that he owned paradigms , and i showed him a bose system with Stevie wonder playing, standard blu ray, not a bose demo. the man was blown away by the v35 and decided that was the system for him haha , no more paradigm , like i said im not hating , i'd love to hear paradigm and do a blind test

[falkenlaser]

@falshami Lol, he must not really care about the sound then. I know of some people who really don't; I met a person who has a Bose Lifestyle 28 and loves it, despite the fact she also owns some Wharfedales, which are a lot better.

I'd like to know what that guy thinks of his Bose system when he gets home. When you hear Bose in the store, you expect it to be good. But, putting it side by side to something else can really change that. It's the reason why Bose separates their products from others.

[falkenlaser]

@falshami Oh, and in regards to my system, last year I was watching Iron Man in my dorm (not this one) w/ the door open. At the time I just had the Atoms and a Jamo 8 in. sub. But, these guys came in saying "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN HERE? HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO YOU HAVE? They were quite impressed. And, almost everyone else in my hall said they've never heard anything like them. Heck, one of my roommate's friends who's a Bose fan said they sound really good and even asked me if they were Bose!

[yeapno]

Would you think that these speakers are over kill for the size of the room because im considering buying this same setup with the cc190 center and i have rougly the same size room

[falkenlaser]

@yeapno I'd say these, and the CC-190, would be as big as you want to get for this size of room. So no; I wouldn't say they are overkill. And if it sounds like they are, just turn their individual levels down. But then, does your receiver have some sort of room calibration microphone, or the ability to set the speaker's distance from where you'd normally be listening to them? If it does, and you get these speakers, make sure you use it. It should determine the size of your room and the speakers.

[yeapno]

@falkenlaser Yea my reciever will have a calibration mic when ever i buy it lol, thanks for the videos without them i wouldnt have known about paradigm

[pbford19]

Very nice setup, I like Paradigm, excellent sounding speakers and priced right.

[newbutthunt]

I would wall mount that tv directly above your desk/laptop dead center between your closet and adjacent wall,and then wall mount the front satellites the same configuration as you have now in relation to tv, and put the bed along the wall that has the window,and then put your sub in the closet facing the corner opposite of the tv. anywho cool setup bro.

[falkenlaser]

@newbutthunt Thanks. That setup would be nice, except I really couldn't quite do that in a dorm. And, while I believe there is a way to, mounting these particular speakers on the wall would be difficult. Also, putting the sub in the closet would just cause the closet to resonate like crazy, so that'd be a bad idea.

[newbutthunt]

@falkenlaser ..kool dude, put that dorm to use then and wax some hot girl ass.

[falkenlaser]

@ParadigmShifty Oh man nice system! Well Anthem, a company owned by Paradigm, which makes electronics, has some VERY nice stuff that I highly recommend, especially if you bought Paradigm speakers. If you want some good separates, an Anthem AVM50v processor with a PVA5 or MCA50 amp would be awesome, and would be about $7000. But if you really wanted to go all out, you could get the Anthem Statement D2v processor with the P5 amp, which would be about $16,000.

[ParadigmShifty]

@falkenlaser I was looking at the AVM50 and MCA 50 as well, and while they represent good value for the performance they offer I think that there are better valued deals out there. I definitely don't have $7,000+ in the budget for electronics, lol. I heard about Anthem's new MXR series recently, might go with the 700 if I can get a chance to demo it on some Paradigm Reference speakers.

[falkenlaser]

@ParadigmShifty However, Anthem is coming out with a line of A/V receivers this month, and will be more affordable than the component separates (I believe they begin at $1000, but I don't know how much the most expensive one will be). But yeah I'd definitely look into Anthem. I hope to get the lowest-end A/V receiver eventually. And BTW, the Anthem Room Correction (ARC) is apparently incredible.

[raymondleeleggs]

Paradigm makes good speakers, but I don't think they'd be my first choice in upgrading seince I cant afford them.

Is an "8" sub too small for HT?? I have one and was thinking about buying a second sub just because it would be gool to have 2 subwoofers (good for bad neighbors)..

[falkenlaser]

@raymondleeleggs That all depends on the subwoofer. The subwoofers my parents have, Jamo SUB 200s, which are 8 in., surprisingly put out TONS of bass. But, some won't. I'd say most inexpensive HTiB 8 in. subs aren't going to be incredibly powerful. And, adding a second one may be difficult to do on a HTiB since with most you can't buy individual components.

(Cont'd)

[falkenlaser]

@raymondleeleggs But, as for Paradigm, they make the Cinema CT systems, which begin at $650 for a 5.1 setup (4 Cinema 70s, a Cinema CC center, and a Cinema subwoofer).

And, the advantage with Paradigm's CT systems is that you can buy the components individually if you go to an authorized dealer. If you wanted a better, more powerful subwoofer, you could get a Cinema 70 system, but with a Paradigm PDR-10 sub. This would be a very good system for shitty neighbors.

[falkenlaser]

@raymondleeleggs And BTW, I stress authorized dealer. Amazon is cleared to sell the CT systems, but I also see they are selling Paradigm's other products through some other company, which is NOT authorized. So, don't buy Paradigm's other products except the CT systems online.

[Mizfitz1481]

Forgot to mention my gear, room is 25X20

Atom - Fronts on S30 stands

CC-190 - Center

ADP-190 - Rears

DSP-3100 - Sub

[falkenlaser]

@Mizfitz1481 VERY nice system. I plan on getting a CC-190 when Iron Man 2 comes out on DVD. And, Anthem, Paradigm's sister company, is coming out with a line of A/V Receivers (up until now they only had surround sound processor/amp combinations, which began at like $7000). I hope to get the entry level one, the MRX300, eventually. It'll be VERY nice!

[Mizfitz1481]

Falken,

Don't rule out Denon, I have the 2310ci running my Paradigm monitors and man this thing is nice, plus the Audyssey, its a great deal even if you choose the 1910ci. I love my Paradigms!

[marinlaw]

not bad nice amp and tv

[falkenlaser]

@marinlaw Thanks! I plan to eventually get a Yamaha RX-V567 or whatever replaces the 'V665. But, after I get that, I'll use my RX-N600 as a pre-amp for the Wharfedale Pacific Evolution 10s and Rotel amp I plan on getting (and for a REALLY good price :)

[marinlaw]

@falkenlaser Rotel thay make some very nice stuff well amps

should be a good setup

even as is its still awsome

[10glan]

thats nice!

[songotenz02]

The Yamaha you have DOES have HDMI inputs.

[falkenlaser]

@songotenz02 I just looked on the back of it, and, unless they are hidden somewhere, no it doesn't. You may be thinking of the new model, the RX-V665, which does. My model, the RX-N600, doesn't.

[songotenz02]

@falkenlaser Oh I was going by the description you put up there

[falkenlaser]

@songotenz02 Oh lol thanks for letting me know! I just changed it. I plan on getting an RX-V665 or an RX-V765 eventually, though.

[cerwinvegafan]

i tested the atoms didn't like em grabbed some tannoy's and doesnt your residence get angry when you have the sub pounding away

[falkenlaser]

@cerwinvegafan Actually, one of my roommates was (I'm actually now taking a break from college) an RA, and he didn't mind at all. And, no one ever really complained. Our new dorm seems to be pretty sound proof, especially through the floors (the guy next to me in my suite sometimes asked me to turn it down from time to time, which I didn't mind. My sub plays very well at low volumes, too).

[MyRandomReviews]

Yeah, really nice setup. Much better than a Bose system!

[parufkens2]

Awesome system ;) 5/5 and check my audio ;P

[andersonjjj333]

Im really impressed i love your setup

[cadillac612mm]

very nice system man, lol my system is like literally nothing compared 2 urs

[cichlidkeeper89]

thank you.lol i have been waiting to see your system for a while... its very nice

[falkenlaser]

@cichlidkeeper89 Thanks! Just wait till I get those Wharfedale EVO 10s and the Wadia iTransport. Then my system will be incredible.

[MyRandomReviews]

@falkenlaser Yeah, the Wharfdale 10s are very nice, and a Wadia iTransport would be cool. However, I prefer using CDs, because you can't really find FLAC downloads atm.