I can hear it now...Christian apologist says, "It's "Thou shalt not commit murder." Not "Thou shalt not kill." As long as you have a good reason for it, killin's just fine! That's pretty obvious by all the genocide in the Bible that God commands. Come on atheists, is that the best you've got?"
What I wanna know is how on earth do you go from "make no graven image" towhat's in Exodus 25:18 - "And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat." ... Yeah, don't make any idols, but I'd like you to make two giant fricken' angelic beings out of PURE GOLD! Is it just me or is that a contradiction?
@ZenIsStupid Hmmmm what is the ark of the covenant? Why don't you explain the entire premise behind that? Pigeon-hole Bible knowledge is the lowest form of atheistic argument. But of course I'm just a stupid Christian who knows nothing and follows something you don't understand, right? 1 Corinthians 3:19-20 enjoy chewing on those verses and trying to argue it with a true believer.
@upsidedownkingdom82 - "But of course I'm just a stupid Christian who knows nothing and follows something you don't understand, right?" - Hey, those are your words, not mine. There's no reason to cop an attitude with me & get all bent out of shape when I never said anything toward you or about you to begin with. This isn't an "atheistic argument", this was a sincere problem I had back when I was a Christian... but oh, I probably was never saved to begin with, right? Touche.
you are assuming that "thou shalt" divides the text into commandments. nowhere does it say that nor requir that, that is just your unjustified interpretation. please show an actually credible argument based on logic and not pseudolinguistics
@carlsonap16 And I presume that your interpretation is much more logically justified? It's fairly obvious to anybody reading the Bible that the "ten commandments" parts contain 14 or 15 imperative statements. Different sects divide them into 10 differently and inconsistently, but it doesn't make much sense to make a big deal about them, because even though they may not be exactly 10 in number, we can at least all agree that they are wholly man-made. :)
@carlsonap16 It doesn't matter to me how many there "actually" are, thematically or linguistically, and though I'm sure you could get into some excitingly trivial debates with your coreligionists about how to divide the "ten", I can assure you that for most rational people, the debate ends with the observation that they are decidedly non-divine, as it should. Anything further is just splitting the hairs of an inconsistent folkoric mythos of Iron Age Palestinian peasants.
@carlsonap16 You say that as if there are any arguments that the Bible has some kind of authority. Authority on what? Why? As I said, the number and division of the commandments is a bone for the vultures to pick amongst themselves.
@Anomalous59 the point is the video is saying the bible is unreliable because it says that there are ten commandments when there aren't. i showed that this is not so. also, i would suggest you look at the hebrew and not the english
@carlsonap16 The point of the video was to show that Jesus names a commandment wrongly, not that there are not ten commandments. Obviously, most of the commandments are both immoral and illogical, just like much of the other stuff in the "Good Book". Also, you have not shown that there are actually ten commandments. I wonder if you'd even be able to square that circle with a fellow Christian (this is assuming that you are a Christian based on your apologetics) from a different sect.
@carlsonap16 And my rationale for disbelieving in the proposition that anything in the Bible is divine (taken to mean "originating from a deity in some sense") is the complete lack of evidence to support it. There is nothing in the Bible that could not have been written by Middle Eastern farmers and goatherds a few millennia ago.
@Anomalous59 right but that doesn't prove your position that its not divine. a position of non-evidence is not compelling. i was assuming you had something which was immoral in your mind as why you reject it.
@carlsonap16 You can't prove a negative. A position of non-evidence is the only one you can have. Also, are you implying that if there is anything in the Bible that is immoral, it is not divine? What a preposterous idea! As it turns out, we have every reason to characterize the character of Yahweh in the Bible as decidedly evil. He could still be real all the same. (He isn't, though.)
@Anomalous59 actually you can prove a negative. what makes you think you can't? anything that is evil is not to be accepted as a guide. that being said, i am convinced the morality of the bible is accurately reflective of reality. but if it wasn't, goodbye bible. you say you have every reason. and what is your reason? do you have an actual credible moral philosophy or is it just feelings and emotionalism and cultural bias? defend why something is evil.
@carlsonap16 Have you read the 1500BCE Egyptian papyrus of Ani with it's negative confessions. That society had a well developed sense of morality. The golden rule is good in making people think about how they would like to by treated- empathy. Acts 7v22 claims Moses was educated in all wisdom of Egyptians so would have know their law code. Whats with the mt Sinai story? Had he forgotten? Religion is from primitive infancy of civilization. There are better management policies now
@zytigon the egyptians teaching good morality is irrelevant to the issue of whether the Bible is a morally good book or not. in my perspective, the more righteous a group of people, the better, so if the egyptians had high morals, that's good; i'm not complaining. religion all came from the same source, and over time various groups corrupted it. Scripture is unnecessary in finding the true religion. solely through logic and philosophy will one find the truth of all things.
@carlsonap16 Interesting view.I agree good ethics that work for wellbeing of humanity can be found from logic. However there is a view that humans evolved and that culture evolves. Religion comes from a primitive stage in the development of civilization. Most of their hypotheses have failed. The creeds about the supernatural are just human imagination exploring the possibilities. Could be there is no supernatural. Have you tried Sam Harris, ' Moral landscape '
@zytigon i haven't looked into many other thinkers.primarily because i trust no one other than myself & the universal principle of logic through which all things must submit to.regarding supernatural:first you would have to define what the supernatural before you can say you reject it.as to evolution,any concept which has evidence to support i will accept.so,if a specific evlutionary perspective is true,i'd like to see the evidence before i accept it.i require evidence for any and all matters.
@zytigon i'm not opposed to learning from others and in fact i often do this. but i can only take it for what it is: merely someone else's opinion. so perhaps i will look into some of these things you recommend to me.
@Anomalous59 Well said. The people who wrote the Bible were guessing. Their ideas are no more the word of a God than what Christopher Hitchens reasoning is. Orthodoxy, by their doctrine of hades, actual is saying their God is incompetent and immoral. A moral, competent God would not allow a hades to come into existence or let anyone end up there but would do all that was necessary to ensure that didn't happen. A good God would prevent atrocities. Hades breaks Geneva convention
@Anomalous59 what is your rationale for determining what is divine and what is not? sounds like you are just another atheist that argues on emotionalism rather than logic.
Jesus was simply making personal application to the lawyer of the false witness command. I think he has that right, esp since he gave the commands in the first place
Noting the debate on commandments within the Levitical law code (from Necessary Sin of Adam vid), we see that there are more than the Ten Commandments chiseled in stone.
See, for example, Deut. 30:11 (or just Bible search the word "command" in the O.T. to see how much it comes up).
So Jesus is clearly not proven wrong in citing not defrauding (Lev. 19:13) as a commandment.
(Since Prof finds "veritas" so freeing, will a note will be added to the video pointing this out?)
If you want to receive the Holy Spirit. Destroy your BIBLE and renounce your church IF you still go to one. You are the temple of Yahweh built by him, not man. When you go to a place built by man your reject HIS plan. When you take a book and call it the word of Elohim (Yahweh), you reject his gift which is his WORD through his Son Yahshua. Those who destroy his temple and reject his WORD ( Yahshua ) will be led by a fallen spirit, an angel of light that only knows how to teach lie's
My translation reads "You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone" Tyndale's New Living Translation. It's different than what you quoted.
A quick look up bible(dot)cc/mark/10-19(dot)htm gives several different translations. Not bearing false witness pertains to a court setting. Not cheating anyone is in a personal or business transaction. Deuteronomy 5:16 is given as a footnote for clarification in many translations, but you left it out. Why?
@drevildruid you are another one trying to justify your baby killing god.. you can use all the dictionary in the world but cant change the fact that your god is baby killer, pregnant killer and animal killer..
It must have been Jesus that set the standard for the time-honoured Christian tradition of misrepresenting scripture. Perhaps he might be the Son of God after all! Lol.
Fraud and bearing false witness is the same thing. Nice try. Are you studying the bible or the Webster's dictionary? BTW Jesus came waaayy before Webster.
@ProfMTH hahahah.. i still like this video still makes me laugh.. you got it wrong this time but it doesnt change the fact that the bible is riddled with wrong inconsistency and contradiction... hahahahah
@countalucard82 He [Jesus] mentioned not "bearing false witness" before listing defrauding. The Son of God has poorly represented himself by not knowing his Ten Commandments.
@Vexille1983 Jesus was simply putting emphasis on bearing false witness. If he knew all the prophecies he needed to fulfill, surely he knew the ten commandments and even summed them up to two. Love God and love your neighbor as yourself.
@countalucard82 And what indication did Jesus provide that he was putting extra emphasis on the commandment about bearing false witness? Why didn't he give "extra emphasis" to the previous commandments he listed, because this just sounds like excuse-making.
@proudfootz - You need to take a closer look at Exodus 20. The rules there aren't written onto stone tablets but spoken by Yaweh. The issue here is probably a misinterpretation by Christians on what the true 10 Commandments are.
omg ... omg ... You are now 6 for 6 on completely blowing me away with new information ... I had no idea ... I have two Bibles completely underlined with notes everywhere yet I didn't see this blunders ... So good ... thank you ...
Yahweh violates his own commandments by slaughtering numerous tribes, equaling hundreds of thousands of murders. He also instructs the Israelites to steal land. Later, he impregnates Mary, someone Yahweh was not married to, essentially committing adultery. He's one "do as I say, not as I do" fucktard.
After the initial ten commandments, God gave over 300 more commandments strictly to the nation of Israel. Do you really require that he list all of them in a discussion? Come on now, now you are just trying to find any reason to reject the book.
@jondabill How do you know that he did that if there is no historical evidence, because he doesn't give them in the bible, where can we find this information ?
There weren't just 10 commandments. The 10 you know were the FIRST TEN in a whole series of commandments, ordinances, & statues that Yah gave to Israel.
Please read ALL of exodus to see what Im talking about...better yet, go through the first 5 books of the bible as they are (collectively) considered the Torah (The Law or Instructions).
Christ gave a summary of the commandments. He didn't even mention all 10 there. Either he stopped the summary himself or was cut off.
@jpmay26 I'm on the fence about this one. Jesus is right about the commandment not to defraud. Lev 19:13. OTOH, Jesus starts with commands that are part of the big 10 and then jumps to one that isn't. It suggests that Jesus didn't know that it was not part of the 10.
YAHUSHUA (JESUS) did not need to run through the whole list of the Ten Commandments with the rich young ruler. His point was, did the rich man, who knew the Commands, want to really follow GOD? Or, did he have "another god" before YAHUVEH? He was trying the help the man see that he was living a life that was breaking the 1st Commandment. And, if he truly wanted Eternal Life, he would have to reject his current "god" of money. Btw, GOD WOULD speak British English, for it's the Mother tongue.
@ProfMTH Jesus is fully aware of the Jewish law (being a jew and all) Leviticus 19:13 is completely in line with the Law that God gave to Moses. Jesus is correct in quoting it. you still have no argument
@ors712 so god made bad laws and jesus had to come and set it sr8t???opps no thats not right jesus is in fav of the old test.Matthew 5:18-19,Luke 16:17,Matthew 5:17,2 Timothy 3:16.looks like J.C is as bad aS HIS OLD MAN.like father like son.this is where you cry "out of context"
@alltiedup217 Jesus claims that he is the fulfillment of the law. that alone refutes your argument. However Jesus is in full agreement with the Law and has the authority to communicate the the rules of the Law by tracing the source of an individuals action not to the physical action but to the mental formation of a particular act which is a precursor for the physical reality to itself be manifested. Example? Matthew 5:27. As for 2 Timothy 3:16 , what was the point in citing that verse?
@ors712 claims "Jesus is in full agreement with the Law"
The NT has Jesus say, e.g., "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth' [Leviticus 24:20], but I say to you, do not resist an evil person; whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also." Sounds like he disagreed with the Law there.
@ProfMTH Jesus didn't disgree with the Law, since you are in Leviticus read 19:18 where it says "do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord" The context of leviticus 24:20 is dealing with blasphemers who had potential of leading a rebellion and deceiving others away from Yahweh. During this historical period in the desert when the Israelites were being attacked by other desert pirates, no chances could have been taken.
Actually, the passage in Matthew is but one of many examples in which Jesus *does* disagree with the Law--in the case of the passage I quoted, he even changes the rule.
"have you returned to waste more time with me?"
Goodness, no. Just correcting one of your more blatant errors. You make far too many errors & have rendered yourself impervious to correction, so it's generally a waste of time to bother with your comments. Happy Holidays!
@ProfMTH I'm glad to see that you can't respond to my Leviticus statement . this proves you have no argument . As for Matthew, read the prior statements which i made to alltiedup217. Merry Christmas !
@ors712 you do know the story of jesus is plagerized from much older stories.that alone refutes your argument.the rest of your reply was..oh whats the word retorical?
@alltiedup217 Actually if you had done any research on Gospel formation you would realize that the evangelists who wrote the gospels were second generation Christians who were distinct theological personalities within their own respective Christian communities who posessed the authority to communicate an oral tradition which was transmitted to them through eyewitnesses. Dr. Martin Hengel. Since you did not respond to my previous statement, i presume you still have nothing.
@ors712 still have nothing???you dont respond to anyone you just spout bible ver. as if that in some way means anything. by plagiarized I ment plagiarized from other people, other than the bible moron.mithras,horus, Krishna Thamuz,to name a few.as well as constantine out and out re-writing the bible so... epic fail dude
@alltiedup217 Part 1: i didnt quote one bible verse in my previouse statement so you are still wrong. Actually you fail seeing as how Mithrysm came into the roman empire in the second century which is too late to be relevant to Christianity seeing as how our earliest documents were written in the 50s AD. Jewish people did not associate themselves with pagan religions at all, so for the earliest Christians (who were jews) to embrace mysticism is blasphemy.
@alltiedup217 Part 2 No book on krishna contains a crucifixion account. All resurrection accounts in pagan religions postdate Christianity by 120 years and the first is Adonis. you still have nothing
@ors712 well that is just an out and out lie..but I have come to expect that from christains its the only way to cling to there myth.there are several accounts of people com'in back from the dead long before they even started writ'in the bible.much less the jesus myth.Epic of Gilgamesh. for a start,osirus is 2500 years older than the jesus story.Dionysus He is found guilty and executed, only to rise from the grave three days later,. This god, also one of the first depicted crucified,
@ors712 look it up yourself all the stories I listed do.I mean that will involve reading a BOOK other than the bible but give it a try.as for your leviticus statement you said you didnt name a bible ver..so did ya or didnt ya? make up your mind.samll as it may be,your quote "Part 1: i didnt quote one bible verse in my previouse statement so you are still wrong"
@alltiedup217 The leviticus statement was to profmth not you , but look at the exchange between him and i and you will see my leviticus verse and chapter
@ors712 hard to tell what immoral bloodthursty part of leviticus your talking about?that book is some of the most nasty ignorant stuff i have ever read.why would anyone want any part ofa god like that?he sounds hatefull,and evil.I thought satan was the bad one?from killing your own kids for being bad to slavery mass murder,not triming your beard no mixed marrages what a nasty book.And you say Jesus was in favor of all this? oh well like father like son i guess
@alltiedup217 Since you don't believe in God you should be consistent and view the Bible as the word of man which therefor you cant complain against God, but against men who lived in the cultural relevance of their time. However,If you agree that God does exist and are unsatisfied with how he has dealt with people through cultural methods of the time, then what objective absolute moral basis are you appealing to to say God is wrong?
@ors712 i'm not complaing about god..i am complianing about people like you that think that non-sense is the word of a god./then go on to use this foolish 2000 year old text as an excuse to do all kinds of nasty things to the "non belivers" i.e murder rape,torture slavery, and give them selves this get out of jail free "jesus forgives me" card. aka the your shit dont stink excuse.its an immoral book full of immoral teachings followed by immoral people.
@alltiedup217 since you didnt respond to anything i said i will ask a different question. you recently said " I'm not complaining about god" alright.. tell me about the god which you do not complain about . what is he like? im gathering that you have an idea of god which does not lie in scripture? if so, then tell me what you think about god.
@ors712 ok i get your kinda slow so one more time you ASKED "Since you don't believe in God you should be consistent and view the Bible as the word of man which therefor you cant complain against God.I ANSWERED THAT in the comment below.YOU ASKED " tell me what you think of god" I ANSWERED I SEE NO EVIDENCE FOR A GOD learn to read.Only the weak minded need a god or somekind of sky daddy to help them .
@ors712 I did respond go back and read it..its only one comment ago...wow .I dont think there is a god or gods.I really dont think your god is real.I see nor have been given asy evidence for it at all.I just hear "the bible is true cause the bible says so" and other such child like rationalizations.then it ends with the whole "well your going to be sent to hell and tortured forever by my all lov'in gawd."I do love the fact you think everyone must share you delusion.
@alltiedup217 I never once said that everyone must believe the way that i do. I commented on this video from the start to asnwer the criticism which was placed on the scripture. i have fulfilled that obligation and answered the video adequately. from then on the debates started.
@ors712 fulfilled that obligation????LOL your yet another christain that is soooo full of themselves.you did nothing but post a few bible ver..that you later went on to say you never posted.I ove that you also think you proved some point about the order of the universe something none of the great minds of the planet have yet to do..but here comes ors712 with all the answers !!!!GAWD DONE IT!!! thnkx for nothing
@alltiedup217 i am in no way full of myself. i used the scriptures to refute his attack on them. I never said i proved anythign about the universe, i invited the atheist to examine the implications of their own thinking which in turn would render anyones existence meaningless.
@ors712 well lets go with smug then , you did not refute anything said in the video,at all.you just put your own interitation of what you think the bible means,or what you want it to mean. I love that you think existence is meaningless with out a god to reward you with eternal life.So like most religious people you are only a moral person for fear of punishment or hope of reward.How is that moral?
@alltiedup217 The scriptures are there for your own reading. Jesus quoted the law from Leviticus 19:13 its right there. Take your statement and turn it around on you. " i love that you think existence has meaning without a god in a universe destined for destruction where the human race will go unnoticed ". so morality is only meaningful when it is imposed on the perpetuation of human civilizations (which will be demolished) . I can not find what you are saying meaningful
@ors712 ya there are several books you should read. I love that you to think morality is a gog that can kill torture command rape is moral.and anyone that will not play to the vanity will be tortured forever,those that do get to worship him forever and ever..that to you is meaningful? I can not find what you are saying is meaningful.Btw you are the one that thinks morality is imposed (by your god) on humans.not me
@ors712 oh 2nd yes krisha was crucified there are serveral accounts of it,Moreover, it appears that Krishna is not the first Indian god depicted as crucified. Prior to him was another incarnation of Vishnu, the avatar named Wittoba or Vithoba,
this is where you say satan made it up to trick man or some other lie or childl ike rationalization
@alltiedup217 no this is where i say show me these "several accounts" and where you will eventually say "uh i dont know where they are" nice try you have nothing
Ah, the 10 commandments. I've always "loved" (read: loathed) that one shall not covet one's neighbors posession, including his wife. Because wifes are property!
Also, I've always wondered if coveting husbands is okay ;) Maybe the commandments apply only to married straight men and lesbians.
I am sure you answered this before but, I am just now watching the vid. My problem is that Jesus never said that the rich man knew the10 comm.,
he said you know the comm. Since every hebrew male was taught and expected to memorize the Torah, this was a broad statement there are over 600 comm. by God given to the hebrews, Jesus only mentions a few granted all but 1 is from the 10 comm. but, several from the 10 are repeated in Lev 19 and includes the comm. not to defraud your neigbor.
@gregcnz Technically, the bible says that we're all sons & daughters of god, so he didn't commit adultery - Joseph & Mary weren't married yet if my memory serves - but it does then suggest he really impregnated his daughter!
.... Makes more sense as to why Christianity is such a hit in the southern U.S.
So how many others that are complaining in the comment arena down here "keep" all the commandments themselves? Just the 10? As you live in modern society I will go out on a limb and say...... none, But you probably feel as though you do. Look hard at #3, #4, #5,and #10 so easily broken, and so many times.
Now how many even know the others ? none? So how do you know you aren't breaking them?
Pull the plank out of your eye before you try to remove the splinter out of your brothers.
@ProfMTH And? leviticus 19:13 - Do not defraud your neighbor
and that was the commandment that Jesus was talking about... he did not say "you know the 10 commandments"... he said "you know the commandments"... so he was talking about all the commandments in the law... so there is'nt any contradiction here
@ProfMTH The passage did not read "you know the ten commandments" Jesus only said "you know the commandments". There are hundreds of other commandments in the old testament.
@ProfMTH Also Jesus states that he's not good, only God is. But they're the same person. Plus people worship Jesus as being perfect all the time. *speechless*
The "ten" commandments are of much more recent date than Jesus. There are actually over 600 commandments, and the "ten" commandments are actually twelve of them compressed into ten. "Do not defraud" is just as much a commandment as "do not kill". It should also be noted that Catholics and Protestants have slightly different ten commandments.
I find it amusing that the commandments that Jesus mentions do not include the ones refering to god. They are rules that most cultures (religious and non-religious) that have ever existed would agree on.
What?!!? Jesus can't reiterate a commandment by using another term? Jesus knew the rich man's heart and knew he would love his riches more than God. So, what's the problem? Another failed vid.
@denalaurens I think the problem, as the author sees it, is that when the commandments are originally given, there is nothing about defrauding. And Jesus doesn't say he's reiterating; he sandwiches the defrauding bit between two other commandments, as if it was itself a separate commandment.
@HentaiGaiJin As if the 10 commandments were the only commandments God gave? Sin is sin in His eyes and defrauding is one of them. Should Jesus cite all sins and commandments of God? Surely, it would take days. So, why lack this understanding? If you people stopped reading the bible just to find faults in it, you will never understand because you pass it by. If you don't read with wisdom, you won't find wisdom.
@denalaurens I think what the author of the video is trying to point out here is that, although the 10 commandments may not have been the only god gave, in this context Jesus does refer to those commandments specifically, and adds one that wasn't there originally. It doesn't make the wisdom of the thing untrue; it doesn't mean that following those commandments is a bad idea. The author is simply pointing out an error made by someone at some point in the editing process.
@HentaiGaiJin But the problem I see with that is that it is asuming that Jesus was refering to when God gave the ten commandments (ten words) and not simply replying with different commandments in the Torah.
@HentaiGaiJin Let's see how many of the 10 commandments in Exodus are of a fraudulent manner, considering we know what fraud is. Having 2 gods defrauds God.; adultery, stealing, bearing false witness, coveting another's property, etc, so you err and this vid errs. These things are deceiving and are fraudulent. So Jesus was correct. He put these sins under the umbrella of fraud.
@denalaurens You're mixing up fraud and defraud. Defraud means tricking someone or lying to someone as a means of taking something from them, i.e. money. So while you're correct in saying defrauding is a form of stealing, that's about as far as it goes. In order to "defraud god" as you put it, you'd have to trick god into giving something to you. Since god knows all and sees all, that would be impossible. Also, if they all could be defined as defrauding, why not just have 1 commandment?
@HentaiGaiJin Fraud and defraud has the same meaning. Are you that desperate? They are both deceitful. People who worship 2 gods, do so deceitfully, and without thought to being found out. Man-made idols know and see nothing. And I never said all were a defrauding nature, so your question is moot. If it were so, why wouldn't Jesus just ask if the rich man had kept from defrauding? Your logic is flawed.
@denalaurens . My point is that it would be impossible to "defraud god" as you put it, because it involves deceit, as you also said. It's not possible to deceive god. If it were, he wouldn't be god. Also, people who worship more than one god do not necessarily do it deceitfully. It's called polytheism, and it existed in many cultures long before Christianity. Look it up.
Defrauding is lying to or deceiving someone for personal gain. Adultery, coveting and stealing are not defrauding.
@HentaiGaiJin Of course it's impossible to get away with TRYING to defraud God, but people try. Read Acts 5:1-11. The couple lied and held back from God part of the price for their land for themselves. Read Malachi 2:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye ask, wherein have we robbed thee?' In tithes and offerings." So people do try to deceive God which is a defraudment. Adultery, coveting and stealing are deceptions, which fraud is.
@denalaurens All right, one more time. Fraud means deceiving someone for personal gain (i.e. telling people you're collecting donations for cancer research and keeping the money for yourself). You're right that defrauding involves lying and is a form of stealing, but without both of these things present, it ceases to be defrauding. Having a mistress is not fraud. Looking at what your neighbor has and wanting it is not fraud in any way, shape or form.
@HentaiGaiJin Again, they have the same meaning. Fraud is a noun and defraud is a verb. Fraud is not limited to deception for personal gain. They are used interchangeably, same meaning. You may be confusing the meaning as a crime, as in the crime of fraud. But is actually deception. A married man with a mistress has in fact committed fraud and defrauded his wife. Vows were broken and trust betrayed. Keeping the thing secret. It is both fraud and defrauding. Let's skip over fraudulent. lol
@denalaurens Just to give you the benefit of the doubt, I just checked a bunch of definitions of fraud. They all talk about trickery or deceit in order to achieve personal gain. You keep referring to the means (i.e. the lying bit) while ignoring the end (personal gain). Without these two aspects, it's not fraud. "Fraud" without lying to someone is simply theft. "Fraud" without receiving anything from the victim is simply lying. But don't take my word for it; look it up.
So that's where waldo went!
SorryStamin 1 week ago
I can hear it now...Christian apologist says, "It's "Thou shalt not commit murder." Not "Thou shalt not kill." As long as you have a good reason for it, killin's just fine! That's pretty obvious by all the genocide in the Bible that God commands. Come on atheists, is that the best you've got?"
ChipArgyle 1 week ago
WRONG, WRONG & further WRONG -one is not to speak G-D's first name with such lack for respect.
Hkepfer 1 week ago
What I wanna know is how on earth do you go from "make no graven image" towhat's in Exodus 25:18 - "And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat." ... Yeah, don't make any idols, but I'd like you to make two giant fricken' angelic beings out of PURE GOLD! Is it just me or is that a contradiction?
ZenIsStupid 3 weeks ago
@ZenIsStupid Hmmmm what is the ark of the covenant? Why don't you explain the entire premise behind that? Pigeon-hole Bible knowledge is the lowest form of atheistic argument. But of course I'm just a stupid Christian who knows nothing and follows something you don't understand, right? 1 Corinthians 3:19-20 enjoy chewing on those verses and trying to argue it with a true believer.
upsidedownkingdom82 2 weeks ago
@upsidedownkingdom82 - "But of course I'm just a stupid Christian who knows nothing and follows something you don't understand, right?" - Hey, those are your words, not mine. There's no reason to cop an attitude with me & get all bent out of shape when I never said anything toward you or about you to begin with. This isn't an "atheistic argument", this was a sincere problem I had back when I was a Christian... but oh, I probably was never saved to begin with, right? Touche.
ZenIsStupid 2 weeks ago
The 11th Commandment? You do know there are something like 600 plus commandments in Jewish law right.
CogInAVice 1 month ago
Why was there no lightning strike for adultery?
PaladinHero 1 month ago
@PaladinHero Because Adultery is what Yahweh did with Joseph's wife, so no lightning strike makes it sound less surprising
DNGR411 1 month ago
@DNGR411 Josoeph and Marry were not married at the time she concived Jesus. So It could not be adultery.
CogInAVice 1 month ago
you are assuming that "thou shalt" divides the text into commandments. nowhere does it say that nor requir that, that is just your unjustified interpretation. please show an actually credible argument based on logic and not pseudolinguistics
carlsonap16 2 months ago
@carlsonap16 And I presume that your interpretation is much more logically justified? It's fairly obvious to anybody reading the Bible that the "ten commandments" parts contain 14 or 15 imperative statements. Different sects divide them into 10 differently and inconsistently, but it doesn't make much sense to make a big deal about them, because even though they may not be exactly 10 in number, we can at least all agree that they are wholly man-made. :)
Anomalous59 2 months ago
@Anomalous59 the ancients understood it as ten. based on theme, you can see that there are ten distinct themes.
carlsonap16 2 months ago
@carlsonap16 It doesn't matter to me how many there "actually" are, thematically or linguistically, and though I'm sure you could get into some excitingly trivial debates with your coreligionists about how to divide the "ten", I can assure you that for most rational people, the debate ends with the observation that they are decidedly non-divine, as it should. Anything further is just splitting the hairs of an inconsistent folkoric mythos of Iron Age Palestinian peasants.
Anomalous59 2 months ago
@Anomalous59 it matters if the bible's authority is being attacked.
carlsonap16 2 months ago
@carlsonap16 You say that as if there are any arguments that the Bible has some kind of authority. Authority on what? Why? As I said, the number and division of the commandments is a bone for the vultures to pick amongst themselves.
Anomalous59 2 months ago
@Anomalous59 if it is the word of God, then it would have authority as long as it wasnt illogical or immoral.
carlsonap16 2 months ago
@Anomalous59 the point is the video is saying the bible is unreliable because it says that there are ten commandments when there aren't. i showed that this is not so. also, i would suggest you look at the hebrew and not the english
carlsonap16 2 months ago
@carlsonap16 The point of the video was to show that Jesus names a commandment wrongly, not that there are not ten commandments. Obviously, most of the commandments are both immoral and illogical, just like much of the other stuff in the "Good Book". Also, you have not shown that there are actually ten commandments. I wonder if you'd even be able to square that circle with a fellow Christian (this is assuming that you are a Christian based on your apologetics) from a different sect.
Anomalous59 2 months ago
@carlsonap16 And my rationale for disbelieving in the proposition that anything in the Bible is divine (taken to mean "originating from a deity in some sense") is the complete lack of evidence to support it. There is nothing in the Bible that could not have been written by Middle Eastern farmers and goatherds a few millennia ago.
Anomalous59 2 months ago
@Anomalous59 right but that doesn't prove your position that its not divine. a position of non-evidence is not compelling. i was assuming you had something which was immoral in your mind as why you reject it.
carlsonap16 2 months ago
@carlsonap16 You can't prove a negative. A position of non-evidence is the only one you can have. Also, are you implying that if there is anything in the Bible that is immoral, it is not divine? What a preposterous idea! As it turns out, we have every reason to characterize the character of Yahweh in the Bible as decidedly evil. He could still be real all the same. (He isn't, though.)
Anomalous59 2 months ago
@Anomalous59 actually you can prove a negative. what makes you think you can't? anything that is evil is not to be accepted as a guide. that being said, i am convinced the morality of the bible is accurately reflective of reality. but if it wasn't, goodbye bible. you say you have every reason. and what is your reason? do you have an actual credible moral philosophy or is it just feelings and emotionalism and cultural bias? defend why something is evil.
carlsonap16 2 months ago
@carlsonap16 Have you read the 1500BCE Egyptian papyrus of Ani with it's negative confessions. That society had a well developed sense of morality. The golden rule is good in making people think about how they would like to by treated- empathy. Acts 7v22 claims Moses was educated in all wisdom of Egyptians so would have know their law code. Whats with the mt Sinai story? Had he forgotten? Religion is from primitive infancy of civilization. There are better management policies now
zytigon 1 month ago
@zytigon the egyptians teaching good morality is irrelevant to the issue of whether the Bible is a morally good book or not. in my perspective, the more righteous a group of people, the better, so if the egyptians had high morals, that's good; i'm not complaining. religion all came from the same source, and over time various groups corrupted it. Scripture is unnecessary in finding the true religion. solely through logic and philosophy will one find the truth of all things.
carlsonap16 1 month ago
@carlsonap16 Interesting view.I agree good ethics that work for wellbeing of humanity can be found from logic. However there is a view that humans evolved and that culture evolves. Religion comes from a primitive stage in the development of civilization. Most of their hypotheses have failed. The creeds about the supernatural are just human imagination exploring the possibilities. Could be there is no supernatural. Have you tried Sam Harris, ' Moral landscape '
zytigon 1 month ago
@zytigon i haven't looked into many other thinkers.primarily because i trust no one other than myself & the universal principle of logic through which all things must submit to.regarding supernatural:first you would have to define what the supernatural before you can say you reject it.as to evolution,any concept which has evidence to support i will accept.so,if a specific evlutionary perspective is true,i'd like to see the evidence before i accept it.i require evidence for any and all matters.
carlsonap16 1 month ago
@zytigon i'm not opposed to learning from others and in fact i often do this. but i can only take it for what it is: merely someone else's opinion. so perhaps i will look into some of these things you recommend to me.
carlsonap16 1 month ago
@Anomalous59 Well said. The people who wrote the Bible were guessing. Their ideas are no more the word of a God than what Christopher Hitchens reasoning is. Orthodoxy, by their doctrine of hades, actual is saying their God is incompetent and immoral. A moral, competent God would not allow a hades to come into existence or let anyone end up there but would do all that was necessary to ensure that didn't happen. A good God would prevent atrocities. Hades breaks Geneva convention
zytigon 1 month ago
@Anomalous59 what is your rationale for determining what is divine and what is not? sounds like you are just another atheist that argues on emotionalism rather than logic.
carlsonap16 2 months ago
Jesus was simply making personal application to the lawyer of the false witness command. I think he has that right, esp since he gave the commands in the first place
j919or 3 months ago
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if anything god would have a middle eastern accent.
walmartpimp2 4 months ago
Damn i was conveting my neighbours ass!
AndrusPr8 4 months ago
Noting the debate on commandments within the Levitical law code (from Necessary Sin of Adam vid), we see that there are more than the Ten Commandments chiseled in stone.
See, for example, Deut. 30:11 (or just Bible search the word "command" in the O.T. to see how much it comes up).
So Jesus is clearly not proven wrong in citing not defrauding (Lev. 19:13) as a commandment.
(Since Prof finds "veritas" so freeing, will a note will be added to the video pointing this out?)
highwind8124 4 months ago
(Also, RFD's vid was taken down, so description link doesn't work.)
highwind8124 4 months ago
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highwind8124 4 months ago
If you want to receive the Holy Spirit. Destroy your BIBLE and renounce your church IF you still go to one. You are the temple of Yahweh built by him, not man. When you go to a place built by man your reject HIS plan. When you take a book and call it the word of Elohim (Yahweh), you reject his gift which is his WORD through his Son Yahshua. Those who destroy his temple and reject his WORD ( Yahshua ) will be led by a fallen spirit, an angel of light that only knows how to teach lie's
MrColoradorealtor 4 months ago in playlist More videos from ProfMTH
So THAT'S where waldo ended up. No wonder I could never find him...
shitthrowingmonkey1 5 months ago
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thou shalt not covet dat ass
debnadaviebna 6 months ago
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So what's the point? What are you implying? Are you saying that Jesus was wrong simply because he did not quote all of the Ten Commandments?
tmat04 6 months ago
LOL
not25yet 6 months ago
Yahweh, Ima let you finish...
KingofToxin 7 months ago
OMnotG!!! I saw Waldo!!!
dingo2306 7 months ago
In the KJV its spelt Waldo and in the NIV its spelt Wally
adler2adler 6 months ago
Prof, I am pissed you skipped the whole part about God punishing children for the sins of their fathers.
lastofmany1 7 months ago
@lastofmany1 "Prof, I am pissed you skipped the whole part about God punishing children for the sins of their fathers."
Note the first word in the title of the series. It's not "Comprehensive Bible Blunders." Moreover, I've dealt with that in other videos.
ProfMTH 7 months ago
@ProfMTH I know. I just like putting that one out there.
lastofmany1 7 months ago
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drevildruid 7 months ago
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drevildruid 7 months ago
To me god could have covered all those 10 by saying "i am cool, dont be a jerk" tell me what does any of the 10 not fall under that one?
bjam89 7 months ago
Harold Camping was RIGHT about May 21, click on my channel to see...
youneekk 7 months ago
Galatians 6:7-8
horseman528 7 months ago
My translation reads "You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone" Tyndale's New Living Translation. It's different than what you quoted.
A quick look up bible(dot)cc/mark/10-19(dot)htm gives several different translations. Not bearing false witness pertains to a court setting. Not cheating anyone is in a personal or business transaction. Deuteronomy 5:16 is given as a footnote for clarification in many translations, but you left it out. Why?
drevildruid 8 months ago
@drevildruid "New Living Translation"
It's not a translation. It's a tendentious paraphrase. Get a clue.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@drevildruid you are another one trying to justify your baby killing god.. you can use all the dictionary in the world but cant change the fact that your god is baby killer, pregnant killer and animal killer..
princerexor 7 months ago
Jesus was a lunatic. He couldn't even remember the commandments he made even though he's supposedly omniscient.
drrobertoboogie97 8 months ago
It must have been Jesus that set the standard for the time-honoured Christian tradition of misrepresenting scripture. Perhaps he might be the Son of God after all! Lol.
Vexille1983 8 months ago
Fraud and bearing false witness is the same thing. Nice try. Are you studying the bible or the Webster's dictionary? BTW Jesus came waaayy before Webster.
countalucard82 8 months ago
@countalucard82 "Fraud and bearing false witness is the same thing."
lol OK. Thanks.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
@ProfMTH hahahah.. i still like this video still makes me laugh.. you got it wrong this time but it doesnt change the fact that the bible is riddled with wrong inconsistency and contradiction... hahahahah
princerexor 7 months ago
@countalucard82 He [Jesus] mentioned not "bearing false witness" before listing defrauding. The Son of God has poorly represented himself by not knowing his Ten Commandments.
Vexille1983 8 months ago
@Vexille1983 Jesus was simply putting emphasis on bearing false witness. If he knew all the prophecies he needed to fulfill, surely he knew the ten commandments and even summed them up to two. Love God and love your neighbor as yourself.
countalucard82 8 months ago
@countalucard82 And what indication did Jesus provide that he was putting extra emphasis on the commandment about bearing false witness? Why didn't he give "extra emphasis" to the previous commandments he listed, because this just sounds like excuse-making.
Vexille1983 8 months ago
@Vexille1983 "...this just sounds like excuse-making."
Indeed.
ProfMTH 8 months ago
I SAW WALDO OMG
Klokinator 8 months ago
@proudfootz - You need to take a closer look at Exodus 20. The rules there aren't written onto stone tablets but spoken by Yaweh. The issue here is probably a misinterpretation by Christians on what the true 10 Commandments are.
lobothesacred3 9 months ago
lol did anyone notice Jesus say he isn't God in Mark 10:18 when Jesus denies being called good and says "no one is good except for God"
ManicOpake 9 months ago
There was no thunder at "not comit adultery".
LegionIscariot 9 months ago
@LegionIscariot Lazy editing.
ProfMTH 9 months ago
Actually there are 613 commandments in the Torah.
mattrR678 9 months ago
roflmao English accent =)) Hahaha
cr4yv3n 10 months ago
This guy is soooooo tedious. "covet" and "defraud"are related. Covetousness leads to defrauding a person.
TheThumper49 10 months ago
@TheThumper49 So it's the same commandment, is that your contention?
ProfMTH 10 months ago
@ProfMTH yes
TheThumper49 10 months ago
I FOUND WALDO!
Oh sorry. Please continue.
bagelbites101 10 months ago
I don't get this one... Where is the blunder?
DrSpooglemon 10 months ago
Thanks for the post.
Thearl 10 months ago
LOL! Was that Kanye & Taylor in the audience?
cleanhomer 10 months ago
@cleanhomer Yes. ;-)
ProfMTH 10 months ago
See I always imagine God speaking like Charlton Heston.
AHPMB 10 months ago
God always had a British accent, read the King James.
InternetDarkLord 10 months ago
The bikini 10 commandments was a nice touch.
InternetDarkLord 11 months ago
omg ... omg ... You are now 6 for 6 on completely blowing me away with new information ... I had no idea ... I have two Bibles completely underlined with notes everywhere yet I didn't see this blunders ... So good ... thank you ...
4whatwhycool 11 months ago
@4whatwhycool My pleasure. Glad you're finding the series useful.
ProfMTH 11 months ago
Jesus doens't know the commandments. lulz
kolonial72 11 months ago
Yahweh violates his own commandments by slaughtering numerous tribes, equaling hundreds of thousands of murders. He also instructs the Israelites to steal land. Later, he impregnates Mary, someone Yahweh was not married to, essentially committing adultery. He's one "do as I say, not as I do" fucktard.
politicoochie09 1 year ago
Why shouldn't Yayweh have an English accent? Every space alien in every sci fi movie or TV show ever spoke perfect English!
xcellken1 1 year ago
Jesus was turning the Ten Commandments up to eleven because Jesus rocks!
gorcanto 1 year ago
I finally found Waldo!!!
lentoagitato16 1 year ago
The first 4 were all about himself. He should have combined them and made just 1 for himself. I think he wasted those ones.
shagster1970 1 year ago
After the initial ten commandments, God gave over 300 more commandments strictly to the nation of Israel. Do you really require that he list all of them in a discussion? Come on now, now you are just trying to find any reason to reject the book.
jondabill 1 year ago
@jondabill If he's going to list the original 10, I should think he'd stick with that list.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@jondabill How do you know that he did that if there is no historical evidence, because he doesn't give them in the bible, where can we find this information ?
AstrophelTDeath 1 year ago
There weren't just 10 commandments. The 10 you know were the FIRST TEN in a whole series of commandments, ordinances, & statues that Yah gave to Israel.
Please read ALL of exodus to see what Im talking about...better yet, go through the first 5 books of the bible as they are (collectively) considered the Torah (The Law or Instructions).
Christ gave a summary of the commandments. He didn't even mention all 10 there. Either he stopped the summary himself or was cut off.
jpmay26 1 year ago
@jpmay26 I'm on the fence about this one. Jesus is right about the commandment not to defraud. Lev 19:13. OTOH, Jesus starts with commands that are part of the big 10 and then jumps to one that isn't. It suggests that Jesus didn't know that it was not part of the 10.
PissedFechtmeister 1 year ago
YAHUSHUA (JESUS) did not need to run through the whole list of the Ten Commandments with the rich young ruler. His point was, did the rich man, who knew the Commands, want to really follow GOD? Or, did he have "another god" before YAHUVEH? He was trying the help the man see that he was living a life that was breaking the 1st Commandment. And, if he truly wanted Eternal Life, he would have to reject his current "god" of money. Btw, GOD WOULD speak British English, for it's the Mother tongue.
gdg1963 1 year ago
Seeing as How Jesus refined the Mosaic Law already given in addition to claiming to being the Lord of the Sabbath, there is no problem
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 So Jesus changed the Law here, is that correct?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Jesus is fully aware of the Jewish law (being a jew and all) Leviticus 19:13 is completely in line with the Law that God gave to Moses. Jesus is correct in quoting it. you still have no argument
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 So he wasn't changing or refining the Law, is that correct?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Jesus quoted in this passage what was in the law, there is no problem.
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 Again, you don't answer the question I've asked. So I won't be wasting any more of my time with you here.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ors712 so god made bad laws and jesus had to come and set it sr8t???opps no thats not right jesus is in fav of the old test.Matthew 5:18-19,Luke 16:17,Matthew 5:17,2 Timothy 3:16.looks like J.C is as bad aS HIS OLD MAN.like father like son.this is where you cry "out of context"
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 Jesus claims that he is the fulfillment of the law. that alone refutes your argument. However Jesus is in full agreement with the Law and has the authority to communicate the the rules of the Law by tracing the source of an individuals action not to the physical action but to the mental formation of a particular act which is a precursor for the physical reality to itself be manifested. Example? Matthew 5:27. As for 2 Timothy 3:16 , what was the point in citing that verse?
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 claims "Jesus is in full agreement with the Law"
The NT has Jesus say, e.g., "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth' [Leviticus 24:20], but I say to you, do not resist an evil person; whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also." Sounds like he disagreed with the Law there.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Jesus didn't disgree with the Law, since you are in Leviticus read 19:18 where it says "do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord" The context of leviticus 24:20 is dealing with blasphemers who had potential of leading a rebellion and deceiving others away from Yahweh. During this historical period in the desert when the Israelites were being attacked by other desert pirates, no chances could have been taken.
ors712 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Part 2: Besides , what about capital punishment in the United States hmm? you should rebel against our government and see what happens.
ors712 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Part 3: welcome back sir ! have you returned to waste more time with me?
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 "Jesus didn't disgree with the Law...."
Actually, the passage in Matthew is but one of many examples in which Jesus *does* disagree with the Law--in the case of the passage I quoted, he even changes the rule.
"have you returned to waste more time with me?"
Goodness, no. Just correcting one of your more blatant errors. You make far too many errors & have rendered yourself impervious to correction, so it's generally a waste of time to bother with your comments. Happy Holidays!
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH I'm glad to see that you can't respond to my Leviticus statement . this proves you have no argument . As for Matthew, read the prior statements which i made to alltiedup217. Merry Christmas !
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 you do know the story of jesus is plagerized from much older stories.that alone refutes your argument.the rest of your reply was..oh whats the word retorical?
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 Actually if you had done any research on Gospel formation you would realize that the evangelists who wrote the gospels were second generation Christians who were distinct theological personalities within their own respective Christian communities who posessed the authority to communicate an oral tradition which was transmitted to them through eyewitnesses. Dr. Martin Hengel. Since you did not respond to my previous statement, i presume you still have nothing.
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 still have nothing???you dont respond to anyone you just spout bible ver. as if that in some way means anything. by plagiarized I ment plagiarized from other people, other than the bible moron.mithras,horus, Krishna Thamuz,to name a few.as well as constantine out and out re-writing the bible so... epic fail dude
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 Part 1: i didnt quote one bible verse in my previouse statement so you are still wrong. Actually you fail seeing as how Mithrysm came into the roman empire in the second century which is too late to be relevant to Christianity seeing as how our earliest documents were written in the 50s AD. Jewish people did not associate themselves with pagan religions at all, so for the earliest Christians (who were jews) to embrace mysticism is blasphemy.
ors712 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 Part 2 No book on krishna contains a crucifixion account. All resurrection accounts in pagan religions postdate Christianity by 120 years and the first is Adonis. you still have nothing
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 well that is just an out and out lie..but I have come to expect that from christains its the only way to cling to there myth.there are several accounts of people com'in back from the dead long before they even started writ'in the bible.much less the jesus myth.Epic of Gilgamesh. for a start,osirus is 2500 years older than the jesus story.Dionysus He is found guilty and executed, only to rise from the grave three days later,. This god, also one of the first depicted crucified,
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 no story of Dionysus contains a crucifixion account. Please show me one that does, thank you .
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 look it up yourself all the stories I listed do.I mean that will involve reading a BOOK other than the bible but give it a try.as for your leviticus statement you said you didnt name a bible ver..so did ya or didnt ya? make up your mind.samll as it may be,your quote "Part 1: i didnt quote one bible verse in my previouse statement so you are still wrong"
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 The leviticus statement was to profmth not you , but look at the exchange between him and i and you will see my leviticus verse and chapter
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 hard to tell what immoral bloodthursty part of leviticus your talking about?that book is some of the most nasty ignorant stuff i have ever read.why would anyone want any part ofa god like that?he sounds hatefull,and evil.I thought satan was the bad one?from killing your own kids for being bad to slavery mass murder,not triming your beard no mixed marrages what a nasty book.And you say Jesus was in favor of all this? oh well like father like son i guess
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 Since you don't believe in God you should be consistent and view the Bible as the word of man which therefor you cant complain against God, but against men who lived in the cultural relevance of their time. However,If you agree that God does exist and are unsatisfied with how he has dealt with people through cultural methods of the time, then what objective absolute moral basis are you appealing to to say God is wrong?
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 i'm not complaing about god..i am complianing about people like you that think that non-sense is the word of a god./then go on to use this foolish 2000 year old text as an excuse to do all kinds of nasty things to the "non belivers" i.e murder rape,torture slavery, and give them selves this get out of jail free "jesus forgives me" card. aka the your shit dont stink excuse.its an immoral book full of immoral teachings followed by immoral people.
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 since you didnt respond to anything i said i will ask a different question. you recently said " I'm not complaining about god" alright.. tell me about the god which you do not complain about . what is he like? im gathering that you have an idea of god which does not lie in scripture? if so, then tell me what you think about god.
ors712 1 year ago
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@ors712 ok i get your kinda slow so one more time you ASKED "Since you don't believe in God you should be consistent and view the Bible as the word of man which therefor you cant complain against God.I ANSWERED THAT in the comment below.YOU ASKED " tell me what you think of god" I ANSWERED I SEE NO EVIDENCE FOR A GOD learn to read.Only the weak minded need a god or somekind of sky daddy to help them .
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@ors712 I did respond go back and read it..its only one comment ago...wow .I dont think there is a god or gods.I really dont think your god is real.I see nor have been given asy evidence for it at all.I just hear "the bible is true cause the bible says so" and other such child like rationalizations.then it ends with the whole "well your going to be sent to hell and tortured forever by my all lov'in gawd."I do love the fact you think everyone must share you delusion.
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 I never once said that everyone must believe the way that i do. I commented on this video from the start to asnwer the criticism which was placed on the scripture. i have fulfilled that obligation and answered the video adequately. from then on the debates started.
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 fulfilled that obligation????LOL your yet another christain that is soooo full of themselves.you did nothing but post a few bible ver..that you later went on to say you never posted.I ove that you also think you proved some point about the order of the universe something none of the great minds of the planet have yet to do..but here comes ors712 with all the answers !!!!GAWD DONE IT!!! thnkx for nothing
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 i am in no way full of myself. i used the scriptures to refute his attack on them. I never said i proved anythign about the universe, i invited the atheist to examine the implications of their own thinking which in turn would render anyones existence meaningless.
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 well lets go with smug then , you did not refute anything said in the video,at all.you just put your own interitation of what you think the bible means,or what you want it to mean. I love that you think existence is meaningless with out a god to reward you with eternal life.So like most religious people you are only a moral person for fear of punishment or hope of reward.How is that moral?
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 The scriptures are there for your own reading. Jesus quoted the law from Leviticus 19:13 its right there. Take your statement and turn it around on you. " i love that you think existence has meaning without a god in a universe destined for destruction where the human race will go unnoticed ". so morality is only meaningful when it is imposed on the perpetuation of human civilizations (which will be demolished) . I can not find what you are saying meaningful
ors712 1 year ago
@ors712 ya there are several books you should read. I love that you to think morality is a gog that can kill torture command rape is moral.and anyone that will not play to the vanity will be tortured forever,those that do get to worship him forever and ever..that to you is meaningful? I can not find what you are saying is meaningful.Btw you are the one that thinks morality is imposed (by your god) on humans.not me
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@ors712 oh 2nd yes krisha was crucified there are serveral accounts of it,Moreover, it appears that Krishna is not the first Indian god depicted as crucified. Prior to him was another incarnation of Vishnu, the avatar named Wittoba or Vithoba,
this is where you say satan made it up to trick man or some other lie or childl ike rationalization
keep try'in so far epic fail dude
alltiedup217 1 year ago
@alltiedup217 no this is where i say show me these "several accounts" and where you will eventually say "uh i dont know where they are" nice try you have nothing
ors712 1 year ago
Ah, the 10 commandments. I've always "loved" (read: loathed) that one shall not covet one's neighbors posession, including his wife. Because wifes are property!
Also, I've always wondered if coveting husbands is okay ;) Maybe the commandments apply only to married straight men and lesbians.
Kaderie 1 year ago
"Yahwe has an English accent." LOL
viridismonasteriense 1 year ago
God is English. That's why we don't have earthquakes; you don't shit on your own doorstep.
ketsan 1 year ago
@ketsan Reminds me of a quote from "55 Days in Peking":
"You know, I admire Sir Arthur. He always makes me believe that God must be an Englishman."
Gilmaris 1 year ago
I am sure you answered this before but, I am just now watching the vid. My problem is that Jesus never said that the rich man knew the10 comm.,
he said you know the comm. Since every hebrew male was taught and expected to memorize the Torah, this was a broad statement there are over 600 comm. by God given to the hebrews, Jesus only mentions a few granted all but 1 is from the 10 comm. but, several from the 10 are repeated in Lev 19 and includes the comm. not to defraud your neigbor.
booniesman88 1 year ago
It's Waldo!
gamegeek2 1 year ago
G'day Prof..... this video raises an interesting point.
If "thou shalt not commie adultery" (no thunder), then how could Jahweh passibly explain Mary's pregnancy?
Sneaky bugger!
gregcnz 1 year ago
@gregcnz Technically, the bible says that we're all sons & daughters of god, so he didn't commit adultery - Joseph & Mary weren't married yet if my memory serves - but it does then suggest he really impregnated his daughter!
.... Makes more sense as to why Christianity is such a hit in the southern U.S.
bornagainatheist1 1 year ago
I FOUND WALDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tupacalypse88 1 year ago
Whata mind :D -> 0:18
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
So how many others that are complaining in the comment arena down here "keep" all the commandments themselves? Just the 10? As you live in modern society I will go out on a limb and say...... none, But you probably feel as though you do. Look hard at #3, #4, #5,and #10 so easily broken, and so many times.
Now how many even know the others ? none? So how do you know you aren't breaking them?
Pull the plank out of your eye before you try to remove the splinter out of your brothers.
pumpstations 1 year ago
@ProfMTH And? leviticus 19:13 - Do not defraud your neighbor
and that was the commandment that Jesus was talking about... he did not say "you know the 10 commandments"... he said "you know the commandments"... so he was talking about all the commandments in the law... so there is'nt any contradiction here
ptcc83 1 year ago
leviticus 19:13 - Do not defraud your neighbor
ptcc83 1 year ago
@ptcc83 And?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH The passage did not read "you know the ten commandments" Jesus only said "you know the commandments". There are hundreds of other commandments in the old testament.
Stealthport 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Also Jesus states that he's not good, only God is. But they're the same person. Plus people worship Jesus as being perfect all the time. *speechless*
UltraComboer 1 year ago
@ProfMTH
The "ten" commandments are of much more recent date than Jesus. There are actually over 600 commandments, and the "ten" commandments are actually twelve of them compressed into ten. "Do not defraud" is just as much a commandment as "do not kill". It should also be noted that Catholics and Protestants have slightly different ten commandments.
Gilmaris 1 year ago
@ProfMTH I love your videos but two commands do not lie and do not have false witness against your neighbor ,is the spirit of this verse.
vain911 1 year ago
@ptcc83 love your neighbor, but leave your family, but love your enemy
only2nocrew 1 year ago
Wow there's an eleventh commandment? O_O
HamonLord 1 year ago
what about "thou shal eat pancakes on friday?"
TheStarlon 1 year ago
I find it amusing that the commandments that Jesus mentions do not include the ones refering to god. They are rules that most cultures (religious and non-religious) that have ever existed would agree on.
They're rather secular sounding.
Scarletpooky 1 year ago
LOL
DID I SEE KANYE AND TAYLOR SWIFT AT 1:17?
XD
LOL
666RiddleBox 1 year ago
it is actually funny how the commandments jesus say to follow is different from that of his father(self) in the OT
ellimist6 1 year ago
Jesus doesn't know the commandments! :D
It would be really interesting to know, what Christians then say...
mardastheEitheist 1 year ago
What?!!? Jesus can't reiterate a commandment by using another term? Jesus knew the rich man's heart and knew he would love his riches more than God. So, what's the problem? Another failed vid.
denalaurens 1 year ago
@denalaurens I think the problem, as the author sees it, is that when the commandments are originally given, there is nothing about defrauding. And Jesus doesn't say he's reiterating; he sandwiches the defrauding bit between two other commandments, as if it was itself a separate commandment.
HentaiGaiJin 1 year ago
@HentaiGaiJin As if the 10 commandments were the only commandments God gave? Sin is sin in His eyes and defrauding is one of them. Should Jesus cite all sins and commandments of God? Surely, it would take days. So, why lack this understanding? If you people stopped reading the bible just to find faults in it, you will never understand because you pass it by. If you don't read with wisdom, you won't find wisdom.
denalaurens 1 year ago
@denalaurens I think what the author of the video is trying to point out here is that, although the 10 commandments may not have been the only god gave, in this context Jesus does refer to those commandments specifically, and adds one that wasn't there originally. It doesn't make the wisdom of the thing untrue; it doesn't mean that following those commandments is a bad idea. The author is simply pointing out an error made by someone at some point in the editing process.
HentaiGaiJin 1 year ago
@HentaiGaiJin Thanks for explaining that. I had given up. Perhaps you'll be successful.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Yeah, too bad you're the only one who seems to be listening!
HentaiGaiJin 1 year ago
@HentaiGaiJin But the problem I see with that is that it is asuming that Jesus was refering to when God gave the ten commandments (ten words) and not simply replying with different commandments in the Torah.
agito18 1 year ago
@HentaiGaiJin Let's see how many of the 10 commandments in Exodus are of a fraudulent manner, considering we know what fraud is. Having 2 gods defrauds God.; adultery, stealing, bearing false witness, coveting another's property, etc, so you err and this vid errs. These things are deceiving and are fraudulent. So Jesus was correct. He put these sins under the umbrella of fraud.
denalaurens 1 year ago
@denalaurens You're mixing up fraud and defraud. Defraud means tricking someone or lying to someone as a means of taking something from them, i.e. money. So while you're correct in saying defrauding is a form of stealing, that's about as far as it goes. In order to "defraud god" as you put it, you'd have to trick god into giving something to you. Since god knows all and sees all, that would be impossible. Also, if they all could be defined as defrauding, why not just have 1 commandment?
HentaiGaiJin 1 year ago
@HentaiGaiJin Fraud and defraud has the same meaning. Are you that desperate? They are both deceitful. People who worship 2 gods, do so deceitfully, and without thought to being found out. Man-made idols know and see nothing. And I never said all were a defrauding nature, so your question is moot. If it were so, why wouldn't Jesus just ask if the rich man had kept from defrauding? Your logic is flawed.
denalaurens 1 year ago
@denalaurens . My point is that it would be impossible to "defraud god" as you put it, because it involves deceit, as you also said. It's not possible to deceive god. If it were, he wouldn't be god. Also, people who worship more than one god do not necessarily do it deceitfully. It's called polytheism, and it existed in many cultures long before Christianity. Look it up.
Defrauding is lying to or deceiving someone for personal gain. Adultery, coveting and stealing are not defrauding.
HentaiGaiJin 1 year ago
@HentaiGaiJin Of course it's impossible to get away with TRYING to defraud God, but people try. Read Acts 5:1-11. The couple lied and held back from God part of the price for their land for themselves. Read Malachi 2:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye ask, wherein have we robbed thee?' In tithes and offerings." So people do try to deceive God which is a defraudment. Adultery, coveting and stealing are deceptions, which fraud is.
denalaurens 1 year ago
@denalaurens All right, one more time. Fraud means deceiving someone for personal gain (i.e. telling people you're collecting donations for cancer research and keeping the money for yourself). You're right that defrauding involves lying and is a form of stealing, but without both of these things present, it ceases to be defrauding. Having a mistress is not fraud. Looking at what your neighbor has and wanting it is not fraud in any way, shape or form.
HentaiGaiJin 1 year ago
@HentaiGaiJin Again, they have the same meaning. Fraud is a noun and defraud is a verb. Fraud is not limited to deception for personal gain. They are used interchangeably, same meaning. You may be confusing the meaning as a crime, as in the crime of fraud. But is actually deception. A married man with a mistress has in fact committed fraud and defrauded his wife. Vows were broken and trust betrayed. Keeping the thing secret. It is both fraud and defrauding. Let's skip over fraudulent. lol
denalaurens 1 year ago
@denalaurens Just to give you the benefit of the doubt, I just checked a bunch of definitions of fraud. They all talk about trickery or deceit in order to achieve personal gain. You keep referring to the means (i.e. the lying bit) while ignoring the end (personal gain). Without these two aspects, it's not fraud. "Fraud" without lying to someone is simply theft. "Fraud" without receiving anything from the victim is simply lying. But don't take my word for it; look it up.
HentaiGaiJin 1 year ago