@arraba99 so true, People don't look at how much the Muslim's have been slaughtered by the western governments. these people like Sam Harris are controlled by the same people who control these governments.These people want to control the world and every single country. and you want to guess what happens if you resist?? iraq, afghan,libya, somalia,sudan,pakistan and counting
@arraba99 250 000 Iraqis wore Taliban's collateral damage not US, Taliban chose to hide in cities and camouflage as civilian, ofcourse this will lead to high civilian casualties!
Palestine? - Palestine attack almost constantly on Israel! with rockets, bombs, infiltration attacks! Israel only defended it self form the beginning, when they wore attacked by every one around theme for just being Jews! you TOOL!
US didn't fight against Iraqi, afghan., people, they fought against terrorists!
Taliban is in Afghanistan, we are talking about Iraq Genius, 2322 Km away.
Just the same, if 250,000 Iraqi civilians were collateral damage to Taliban, then would you say the 9/11, 3000+ killed were collateral damage to American support of "israel" and attacks on Muslim/Arab countries?
No because US never supported killing civilians! Taliban/al-quada dose!! and hides among people they wore suppose to protect!!
Dount you read the news, West including US directly helped the Islamic uprisings, which was directly against there interests BTW, you get a better bargen from a dictator then a democracy who actually has to answer and show all the transactions
West dosent attack on the people, they are after the terrorists and dictators.
250,000 Iraqis were killed unintentionally? Aiming problem!
There was endemic unprovoked killing of civilians (Haditha) & indiscriminate bombing of towns & Neighbourhoods. Check these YouTube sample by Americans
Road of Death in Iraq
Iraq - The Hidden Story: American Atrocities
US soldiers come clean about atrocities in Iraq under President Bush
US Soldiers are having fun by shooting live rounds at angry prisoners in Camp Bucca, Iraq
@arraba99 In all wars soldier commit atrocities! There is a lot of hate, there friends are getting killed ofcource there will be atrocities in war.
I have never heard of any war that was without: violence, death, atrocities, have you?
But the main difference between the west army's and jihads army's, is that west army's re at least trying not to kill civilians, they invite reporters.
Islamic or jihadist's target's are CIVILIANS!!! AND THERE LEADERS ADMIT IT OPENLY!!!
If Reza Aslan went to the muslim brotherhood website he would see that their slogan reads: "God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations." Incredibly disingenuous of him to say that SH "PROFOUNDLY" misunderstands the muslim brotherhood.
And that was one of the objective of bashing of Islam. It was to stop the press from saying "Isalm is a religion of peace". but because the press stopped saying that; it does not stop it being a religion of peace.
@arraba99 common buddy, I'm not a politician and dont need to sugar coat it for you. Islam is a putrid and vile religion. Islam reminds of that guy at school who had the hot girlfriend, then grew up to be a factory worker and still has that same ego from the glory days.
If its political oppression and situations which drive people to attack non-combatants, then why aren't the Tibetans rising up in full and starting a armed conflict? Why aren't they forming militias and suicide bombing groups to attack the Chinese combatants and non-combatants? If the Muslim world is so obcessed with 'freeing people from injustice' then why are they not speaking up for the Tibetans? Or the Christians of South Sudan? Why this double standards?
Though he keeps working around Sam's talking points without really addressing them, Reza's cute. Sam Harris has reasoned arguments, but Reza's got the stuff I'd love to romp around for a bit in bed with!
Reza has a point when he talks about non-Muslim leaders framing things in religious terms.. but think about the difference for a second. George Bush said he heard the call from God to become president. Did any of his supporters strap bombs to themselves and walk into a Democratic campaign center to blow themselves up because they thought they would then go to heaven? No. And such hypotheticals are absurd in the extreme. So Reza's whole argument here is similarly absurd.
Palestine is a religious issue. The ONLY reason Muslims are upset about Palestine is because they are siding with Muslims against the Jews which their religion tells them to do. When was the last time a Muslim blew himself up for Darfur? Iraq is also a religious issue, same thing basically, and the military bases in Saudi Arabia, also a religious issue. Reza has no argument at all here when he says Osama was motivated by non-religious issues. He can't see the forest for the trees.
Reza's argument at the beginning would be compelling if it were true, but it's not. Was Osama bin Laden a poor Muslim living in a garbage heap in Gaza? Not quite. He was incredibly rich, spent time in Scandanavia, was from an affluent country. There are millions and millions of Muslims from EVERY country who sympathize with terrorists, hate Jews, oppress women and embrace violence and anti-social behavior BECAUSE they are Muslim. In Amsterdam, London, and New York, too. Not just in Gaza.
Before colonial Britain, France ... etc carved up the Middle East, it was one Arab entity within the Caliphate rule. So logically Arabs (Osama is one) and Muslims naturally feel affinity towards one another. Just like the Anglo Saxon world do, even in aggression, as has been evident in the last few conflicts. If Osama affluence disqualifies him from feeling of kinship towards Arabs, does that mean affluent Anglos Saxon “Christian” should NOT support their own. A little logic, pleas!
@arraba99 it might be "natural".. but it is not logical, and it is certainly not moral or right. Tribalism is arguably the single greatest evil the world has ever known, in all its forms, that includes religion, nationalism, racial pride, nepotism, etc.
The whole reason Muslims were upset about the creation of the state of Israel is because of their religion. Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE... were all created in basically the same way as Israel.
The states of Jordan, Iraq, Synria Lebanon were not created on some one else country, They were created for their respective citizen.
"israel" was created in place of Palestine by importing Pseudo-Semitic Zionist "Jews" from Europe in mass numbers and expelling Palestinians in mass to make room for them.
@arraba99 the core problem is that people like you don't understand the core problem. Jews lived in the land of Israel thousands of years before Islam existed, and they have been there, at least to a degree, ever since. Jews were a huge majority in Jerusalem even during the Ottoman period. If you look at the demographic data, there was a larger increase in the Arab population in Israel leading up to 1948 than there was in the Jewish population. Nothing was stolen from anybody.
1: Up to 1900, few Jews lived in Palestine (<.5%). This is based on factual historical Ottoman period data; Mostly those who fled Spain, 16th century.
2: Minorities are ruling some Arab states through corrupt dictatorship, they are being overthrown. What is you point here?
3: Mass Pseudo-Semitic Zionist Europeans were imported from Europe with Britain help & expelled inhabitants “the Martians, if you wish” & stole their land & homes.
@arraba99 also, the Hashemites who rule/ruled Jordan were not Jordanian. The baathists who took over Iraq were not the majority there. The royal family that still controls Bahrain do not represent the majority there. There were no Arab wars of extermination against these countries, crying out for the rights of the oppressed majority. Why? Jews are a majority in Israel. Arabs/Muslims can vote and have representatives in the Knesset. How many Jews are in line to be the next dictator of Iran?
Jews of Middle East, NOT pseudo- Semitic European Zionists, controlled Palestine less than 70 years over the last 5,000 years. If we are to redraw world map based on 3,000 years ago, the world be on fire
Joke: 70% of Israel’s Jews do not believe in G-d, but 90% believe G-d gave them Palestine
Irrational claims begot irrational arguments
Solution: Zionist boats came in mass from Europe; they go back to Europe. The sooner the better for everyone. Give it 10-20 years Max
@arraba99 You're really fucking retarded, man. You lost all claim to being taken seriously when you stated that Palestine was a country that was 5000 years old. You don't have the foggiest fucking clue what you are talking about. 20 years max? haha.. jesus fucking christ and by muhammad's rapist pedophile ass you people are STUPID.
@arraba99 Jesus was most likely fictional (and if he wasn't, "Isa" certainly was). Muhammad was real, but was also just about the most horrible human being that ever lived. I have a few fucked up people in my family but trust me, Muhammad was worse than all of them. I don't have the "honor" of being related (at least not recently) to anyone who was a serial killer, serial rapist, pedarest and terrorist. Are you stupid enough to think I must be Jewish? Probably.
@arraba99 additionally, your history is a bit off. Europeans did not carve up the Arab caliphate, which was long gone before European Imperialism. The Ottoman Empire, which was ruled by Turkic peoples from central Asia originally but living in Anatolia, lost World War 1. Britain, France, et cetera took over administering lands that had been under foreign rule already for 500+ years. btw Jews were a majority in Jerusalem even during the Ottoman period.
@arraba99 my first point didn't post. I said that it might be "natural" for Muslims to support Muslims, but it is not good and not logical. Tribalism is a great evil in all forms. That includes religion, nationalism, nepotism, racism, etc.
Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE etc were created approximately the same way as Israel, but no Muslim was bothered by this. Logically, they should have supported the creation of Israel as well. But religion = insanity.
It's pointless, as he believes in Islam. Plain and simple, it is. He is forbade to speak against it, so I'd he believes it, you cannot have a debate with him.
your an idiot Sam Harris, religion is just an excuse for violence (maybe not in the olden days) just like a street name that a gang member is from or a football team for a guy from a riot at a raider game
I'm glad that Reza FINALLY brings up the elephant in the room. Although not forcefully enough. Poverty definitely contributes but US foreign policy contributes vastly more. As US Empire encroaches on others (not just Muslims as the ignorant believe ie Latin America, Asia, Africa, etc), it forces people in a corner. People resort to violence when no other recourse is offered. Actually, they are DENIED. Stop committing terrorism and people will not want to commit it against you Uncle Sam.
@JoebooSauce That's right. Nobody has any human agency in the world except for the US. It;s all pretty much our fault. We're the only ones committing evil in the world. It never happens, for example, because some illiterate Mullah promises young desperate men 72 virgins if they go blow up themselves in the vicinity of infidels. And the leaders of Muslim nations aren't responsible for anyone's poverty: it's our fault for having even one meeting with those bad guys.
No, not all Americans are bad. You are though. The ones that do not know their OWN history are a disease. IGNORANCE is what we call it. And yet, your kind has the gall to claim to know what is right for the world. 60+ illegal interventions since WWII to overthrow elected leaders, torture, and murder just for access to mineral resources. (Google William Blum Killing Hope and READ.) Don't know all this? SHAME ON YOU! You lazy waste and burden. YOU make Americans look bad!!!
even if it may be social, economic/political issues that Osama is concerned about, the fact that Osama is using religion to deceive his people is just pushing the ownness of religious barbarism one step back. There is no logical reason so many people would sacrifice their lives unless they were sure of reward in the afterlife...this is not just a battle of honor/identity.
He's fucking lying. Yes, Christians in different parts of the world may have some differences, but it's not like that with Muslims. They're one "Ummah", even British Muslims think apostasy should carry the death penalty. Muslims all over the world want to live in a world ruled by sharia law. Swedish Christians are VERY different, and WAAAAAY more moderate than American Christians. Is there such a difference between Egyptian and Iraqi Muslims? Seriously fucking doubt it.
@Nomiss9 What? Yes there are significant differences between Muslims. Yes, Egyptian and Iraqi Muslims are different, but those are also in the same region of the world. There are Indonesian Muslims, African Muslims, American Muslims, and Middle Eastern Muslims. Yes, they are very different.
@greenarcher180 You're a liar, you atheist piece of shit. The Muslim Brotherhood is a political organization that wasn't to get rid of puppet dictatorships.
@YouTodayKing Silly, uneducated kid. Just Google "Muslim Brotherhood financing" and see the connection to terrorist organizations throughout the Middle East. Additionally, check YouTube for Aslan debates and see him get destroyed concerning his apologists views of Islam. Why do you think Aslan is welcome in Iran? Atheism merely means I am better educated than you and have cast off childhood indoctrination to childish fairy tales like the Quran.
@greenarcher180 Oh yeah, you sound so educated now. As far as the world is concerned, the biggest terrorism organization is the pentagon. Maybe if you read some Chomsky you could educate yourself. However, you're probably too stupid to even understand. After all, you're a Harrison zealot.
@YouTodayKing Didn't bother to research it. No surprise. The facts hurt the sensitive. No issue with Chomsky or the facts. You are the one that refuses to accept truth. Harris tells it like it is with no BS Muslim apologist rhetoric. Islam is a regressive creed for the ignorant and indoctrinated.The Brotherhood is a terrorist organization.
@greenarcher180 When Chomsky talked about Harris, he said Harris is follows the worse kind of religion, the state religion.
Why don't you read the story of Al-Hassan al-bannah, the person who kick started the brotherhood. Why don't you read their books? They want political freedom from the west. It's something Muslims in those lands yearn.
The pentagon is a terrorist organization. The Brotherhood is just a resistance force.
@YouTodayKing State religion? Absurd. Chomsky is a pacifist, the Brotherhood is not. Nice contradictory comparison. Why don't you face the facts of terrorist connections? Just a resistance force? No such thing under Islam.Half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. Research shows IQ is 10-16 points lower in inbred children and social behavior develops slowly and have a high rate of mental disorders. Add Islam tothe mix and these people are really screwed up.
@greenarcher180 Yes, the state religion. You've never read Chomsky, so you have no idea what you're talking about you're talking about. The terrorists are the people in the pentagon. The people with the greatest connections to terrorists is the CIA.
From what have seen so far, Atheists mean arguing ignorant of facts. They resorts to profanity, cursing and name calling when they are cornered with reason and logic.
I would not call that "better education"!
As for indoctrination, i have yet to see more dogmatic bunch than them . Thus closed mindedness to protect their weak belief, which they claim is not a belief.
As for, any moron can see that he owned Sam on all accounts.
@arraba99 rational people don't resort to name calling when they are confronted with ignorant fucking morons like you... in that case, there is nothing else one can resort to. YOU are not capable of intelligent argument or discussion. So why bother pretending like we are having a discussion when we are not? Better to just call you a fucking idiot, like you are, and walk away.
People with reason, intellect, sound mind and decent upbringing, they say; we agree to disagree and walk a way
But people with stunted intellect and matching moral compass, they hide behind their anonymity and lash out with profanity, when they run out of reason
" The strong are not those who shout loudest (nor get angry fastest), but those who keep calm in face disagreement (or anger)" the Nobel Prophet Mohammad
You & your ilk need his teachings more than anyone else
@arraba99 " The strong are not those who shout loudest (nor get angry fastest), but those who keep calm in face disagreement (or anger)" the Nobel Child Rapist Mohammad
pretty weak words coming from a man who ordered genocide and routinely murdered people who hurt his feelings. I've known monkeys more civilized than your "prophet," and smarter than you.
@arraba99 Atheism is not a system of knowledge. It is, in the strictest sense, a lack of belief in a personal God, so I am not how you could construe it as a form of education, let alone "better education." Regardless, there is a slight negative correlation between higher education and disbelief. You are welcome to disbelieve that, as well all the many other things that science has established (again and again), but do not be surprised if you find yourself on the losing side of the argument.
@greenarcher180 "Allah is our objective, the Quran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, Jihad is our way, and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."- Credo of the Muslim Brotherhood
yeap, Reza is right. They use religion to address political and economical issues. Is he fucking insane!!!!! He is obviously a suit and tie Islamist who is spreading deception.
The rather blatant fallacy to be observed with this type of perspective is that to believe what this man is saying you must then also believe that they are not somehow aware of the fact that they are giving religious justifications for their behavior or the direct implications of that fact! Why? Apparently because Western apologists like him know better than them!
@sooperfukker Yes unfortunately I agree with you, I usually like to think better of humanity you know find the good in people but the majority of Muslims makes it VERY difficult.
Do you know the majority of muslims? I am a firm atheist (or anti-theist), but it seems incredibly stupid to generalize that "most" muslims are inherently bad people. Many of them live in desperate regrettable situations, and will often use their texts to "justify" abhorrent actions. That said, I believe Christians would do the same thing in their situation. There are plenty of examples in the bible that could be used to "justify" horrendous acts.
@Kloborgg I am of course referring to the majority of Muslims on YouTube! This should have been obvious! But I will go along with it..... OK so are you trying to say that most muslims are dishonest and false because they live in desperate, regrettable situations? BOLLOCKS! You actually hit the nail on the head with your comment (even though I suspect you didn't realise it), the point is WHY ARE THEY JUSTIFYING HORRENDOUS ACTS INSTEAD OF CONDEMNING THEM? Only Muslims protect mass murderers.
What? Most Muslims are not any more dishonest than the average Christian or Atheist. Many of them live in desperate situations. These will inevitably lead some people to commit horrendous acts (and I'm not justifying them). Those who commit these acts often justify themselves with their scripture. Most Muslims do condemn said acts. Why don't Christians do this? Again... because Christians don't on a whole live in the same situations...
@Kloborgg Im sorry but this is complete nonsense! The Africans live in the worst circumstances of any people on earth when was the last time you saw a group of Africans kidnap two planes and fly them into tower blocks, or shove explosives down their underpants, walk into a hospital and explode them? Muslims do what they do because of their disgusting, violent, bronze age scripture that is completely incompatible with the modern world! And frankly WTF does it matter what Christians do anyway?
@Kloborgg Are you being deliberately obtuse? I mean flying planes into office blocks and blowing themselves up because they think they will get 72 virgins in paradise!!!!! You sound just like one of the politically correct arseholes that has lead the world to the position that it is in today in the first place! Islam has not changed its views since the formation of the Caliphate in 900AD and if you cannot see the very serious danger that this backward ideology presents then your a fool.
Do you really need to add some sort of condescending remark into every response you give? If you want to be heard it'd help to not come across as an asshole.
@Kloborgg Its very difficult not to be condescending when your opening remark suggests that the followers of the most rigidly totalitarian religious ideology that has probably ever existed are no different than anybody else! I live in England and believe me when I tell you that I know EXACTLY what Islam is, the good parts as well as the bad.
@Kloborgg That is the whole point with Islam they are not born into it they are indoctrinated! You only have to look around YouTube for Muslim children. Have a look at this on YouTube"?v=8Tfh2PnvTnY" Of course no one is born bad, this is where people misunderstand it is not Muslims that are bad but Islam itself.
I agree. I also think Christianity is just as bad. I don't think Islam can take someone who has a normal mental psyche and a regular middle-class upbringing and make them bad people. I think Islam, like Christianity, can give bad people false justification for their acts.
@Kloborgg Sure all religions are bad but I think with Christianity we have to distinguish between the US and Europe because in Europe we have more or less destroyed Christianity now, at least taken away all of its power, its taken us 2000 years but its nearly done lol. But I do accept that in the US there is still a long way to go.
Aslan is full of crap. Isalm needs to be disemboweled! It's a pathetic cult everyone needs to shun. The Arab countries cause the most problems of our time. Allah should be burned. To hell with the koran and islam.
@01godkiller I ask you again. Does that mean she wouldn't hate non Muslim dictatorship? Would she have loved the Third Reich because it was non Muslim/ Do you get my drift? It is not Islam but it is the people who use the word Islam.
Reza is absolutely owning Sam here. Reza is 100% correct in saying that the 'Islamic extremists' are driven more by political reasons than religious ones. They are merely framed in their religious beliefs. It's like George Bush going into Iraq, saying, "God is on our side. This is a fight of good against evil. God bless America." This is exactly the same speech as those we label 'Islamic extremists.' If we are fair, we should call America 'Christian extremists.'
@peteagassi I'm not sure I agree. I think it's more complicated--the social/political on the one hand, and the religious on the other--are blended together in the minds of fanatics like Bin Laden. They cannot be separated. I think the same is true with Bush--the political and the religious are blended--at least with Iraq. The motivations are complex, but what we would recognize as "religious" is a major driving force, and you cannot deny it's powerful influence.
@peteagassi Yup. Aslan got it right. 'Islamic extremists' are driven more by political reasons than anything else but the western idiots don't get it.
Well that's great. I have yet to meet any Iranians in real life but I'm positive I will.
Anyway, when we keep saying that Islamic extremists/militants are out to get non-Muslims, it really does injustice to the hundreds of thousands of Muslims who were killed by other Muslims.
Just fyi, it's fine to just say "Sharia", rather than "sharia law", since Sharia itself means law. It's pretty mch the equivalent of saying "law law" but it is a common error so I can't blame anyone for it...
Taqiyya is a Shia belief. Not all Muslims use it, but since Reza is Iranian,( which are mostly Shia), he may be using it. Take my word for it, most Muslims actually do want Islam to be peaceful. Many have found out that it's not peaceful and have left. For example, 40% of Iranians in America are non-religious.
… there's an easy solution to religious fundamentalism problem: we put contraceptiva into their drinking water supplies and stop them from breeding like bunny rabbits –– problem solved!
Sam represents faux intellectualism taking hold of intelligensia today, an "intelligence" that denies the humanities and functions in a us vs them universe. Shame on people that think like that and think their smart.
I can't believe Reza. First off, religious rhetoric has the most "currency" in America on issues concerning politics and economics for the same reasons it would hold currency in any other country. Because most people in the country are religious.. Reza is supporting Sam's points for him. Also, Reza fails to notice that Sam's grievances are with dogma (religion) itself.. This point in mind, there are many problems in the middle east and north america
Someone should tell Reza that saying "profound" every 10 seconds does not make his argument profound or his insights profound. It's profoundly naive to think that.
@cimsid101 This is true. Suicide bombings, terrorism (Almost to a total extent, of course there is a small group who does it purely out of belief) isn't because of religious beliefes. But because of reppression and oppression of this area for 2 - 300 years. European countries have occupied middle-east and northern Africa. and now it's a form of economical occupation. As Socialism have been seen as a liberation for the working class. Islam is viewed as a liberation for Arabs (I have some remarks)
The middle east was under European occupation from 1919 to 1940s i.e from the fall of the Ottoman empire to the end of WW2 when most countries in the middle east were formed. Check your facts. Thats a total of some 20-30 years, 10% of what you claim. I would be mroe than happy if we could use some other energy source than oil so we could stop funding Saudi-Arabia and other criminal states and end this "economic represion" that you mention.
@omegavalerius You are right. I looked it up, However. It seems that this area have under diffrent occupations since the "New kingdom" era of ancient Egypt. which means that this perticular area of the earth have not been allowed to choose it's own direction of society for 3000 years (!). and still are not allowed to do so. The economical represion I speak of is the notion that European countries have not allowed some countries in the region their suveranity over resources.
what rza arslan is saying is simply this: everything is up to interpretation and the the text interpreted doesn´t mean a thing. context is everything, text is nothing. once you formulate all this absurd content in such a fluent flow of words as rza arslan´s speech is, it seems to be deep. however, in reality we are dealing with nothing but old fashioned sophistry and a banal half-truth. i.e. rza is bullshitting.
@tmapere Yes, but this "contextualizing" that I think you rightly call bullshit is also the method by which liberal religious people can tear away at the worst impulses of their conservative fellows. Not saying that we shouldn't call people like Aslan on their double-think, but that we should hope they win some arguments against the Zawahiris of the world.
@tmapere - so true bro, you can,t help but distinghly notice how emotionly irritated he was when confronted with the naked truth that sam put before him. Typical of a true of mohammad. No how absurd it seem keep lying for allah. Takeya!!!
@tmapere Yes, and he sure takes his time doing it. His argument could definately be summed up and he didn't really address the points Same Harris made either.
@al5mnd9trnksdr745bi Your taking it out of context, he did not praise the Muslim brotherhood in general, he is praising the gradual transition from a Militant group to a political party.
Like every intellectual believer out there reza is trying to shift all blame on other causes than his religion. This is the disconnect within him, the cognitive dissonance that he has to try to convince himself that he doesn't feel.
Deplorable and sad to see that he can not face the issue honestly
@faarsight i completely agree.. he understands the argument of opposition and instead of agreeing with him try to come up with some blabber to convince himself. A waste of great intellect.
Aslan is fighting a losing battle. Even if the grievances are political or social at root (and I'm certainly not convinced they all are), religion is still what is used to get the idiots on board. It's infuriating that Aslan wastes so much intelligence protecting the very thing that we could ALL do so much better without.
reza aslan spittin' out the truth at 7:46. This is a political problem expressed through the language of Islam. Jihad is justified when Muslims perceive their religion to be under attack. It is defensive by nature. Triggers like US troops in Saudi Arabia, the Iraq and Afghanistan occupations, and Israel-Palestine are ultimately the REAL causes of, "terrorism", or as i think it more accurate to say this Islamic insurgency. Acts like this are perceived as an attack on Islam by Muslims.
@John5000873 There are also US forces stationed in Australia, Germany, Britain, and many other countries. There are no terrorists issuing from any of those countries. The invasion of Afghanistan was a response to 9/11, an attack prosecuted by terrorists supported by the Taliban regime. In Palestine, there were no suicide bombing attacks until the 1980s; the West Bank and Gaza had been occupied since 1967. If the Israeli occupation is the 'REAL' cause of terrorism it should have started earlier.
No matter how you spin it, religion is still a very negative force in human society. You see it constantly. The irony is that while the religious are out there claiming you can't have morals without religion, all you have to do is look at the facts to see that the more religious a country is, the lower the IQ and the more violent it is. The average IQ of the States is well below average and the worst states are almost exclusively the most religious. I have a state by state map showing the result
Its sad to see how people react to reza aslan via there comments, showing they are the bigots. Let him express himself and boy o boy he owned this deabate
If religion was still in power globally, people like Reza wouldn't be able wear a suit using a microphone in front of an audience defending dangerous sandbox-fairytales
Cause free speech aint very high on the agenda of the superstitious.
@Norwification ... LOL - I was finding this really interesting until you pointed out the repeated use of 'profound'. Now I cringe every time he speaks hoping he doesn't use it again. I may have to turn this into a tequila shots game.
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Injustice IDIOT is behind the Bombing
How Ignorant is this HARRIS
You can be Architekt, Doctor even King you have to fight the INJUSITCE!!
SAM HARRIS is a ZIONIST that key Word
MUSLIM have to fight INJUSTICE:
In Koran state: you were the best Nation in the World.
Why:??? by fighting Injustice and calling People for justice!!!Not by Race or Religion
almao2006 3 weeks ago
Injustice IDIOT is behind the Bombing
How Ignorant is this HARRIS
You can be Architekt, Doctor even King you have to fight the INJUSITCE!!
SAM HARRIS is a ZIONIST that key Word
MUSLIM have to fight INJUSTICE:
In Koran state: you were the best Nation in the World.
Why:??? by fighting Injustice and calling People for justice!!!Not by Race or Religion
almao2006 3 weeks ago
@almao2006
Sam is not an idiot on violence issue; he knows.
250,000 Iraqis mostly civilians slaughtered by USA/West is not violence - collateral damage.
Terrorization of whole nation (Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan) is not terror.
To him & his twisted ilk, definition of violence & terror depends on who is giving & receiving.
State level West/“israel” terror on Muslim/Arabs is OK
Fringe Muslim/Arab groups terror on west/zionists is NOT OK
Such is the moral elasticity of Zionist!
arraba99 2 weeks ago
@arraba99 so true, People don't look at how much the Muslim's have been slaughtered by the western governments. these people like Sam Harris are controlled by the same people who control these governments.These people want to control the world and every single country. and you want to guess what happens if you resist?? iraq, afghan,libya, somalia,sudan,pakistan and counting
Hkhan23 2 weeks ago
@arraba99 250 000 Iraqis wore Taliban's collateral damage not US, Taliban chose to hide in cities and camouflage as civilian, ofcourse this will lead to high civilian casualties!
Palestine? - Palestine attack almost constantly on Israel! with rockets, bombs, infiltration attacks! Israel only defended it self form the beginning, when they wore attacked by every one around theme for just being Jews! you TOOL!
US didn't fight against Iraqi, afghan., people, they fought against terrorists!
tigerclaw1000 2 weeks ago
@tigerclaw1000
You really know what are talking about.
Taliban is in Afghanistan, we are talking about Iraq Genius, 2322 Km away.
Just the same, if 250,000 Iraqi civilians were collateral damage to Taliban, then would you say the 9/11, 3000+ killed were collateral damage to American support of "israel" and attacks on Muslim/Arab countries?
arraba99 2 weeks ago
@arraba99
No because US never supported killing civilians! Taliban/al-quada dose!! and hides among people they wore suppose to protect!!
Dount you read the news, West including US directly helped the Islamic uprisings, which was directly against there interests BTW, you get a better bargen from a dictator then a democracy who actually has to answer and show all the transactions
West dosent attack on the people, they are after the terrorists and dictators.
tigerclaw1000 2 weeks ago
@tigerclaw1000
250,000 Iraqis were killed unintentionally? Aiming problem!
There was endemic unprovoked killing of civilians (Haditha) & indiscriminate bombing of towns & Neighbourhoods. Check these YouTube sample by Americans
Road of Death in Iraq
Iraq - The Hidden Story: American Atrocities
US soldiers come clean about atrocities in Iraq under President Bush
US Soldiers are having fun by shooting live rounds at angry prisoners in Camp Bucca, Iraq
US War Crimes- By the US army
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 In all wars soldier commit atrocities! There is a lot of hate, there friends are getting killed ofcource there will be atrocities in war.
I have never heard of any war that was without: violence, death, atrocities, have you?
But the main difference between the west army's and jihads army's, is that west army's re at least trying not to kill civilians, they invite reporters.
Islamic or jihadist's target's are CIVILIANS!!! AND THERE LEADERS ADMIT IT OPENLY!!!
tigerclaw1000 1 week ago
Myths & facts on despicably targeting civilians
Myth 1: Muslim support targeting civilians
Facts: far fringe Muslim groups do so & constantly pursued by Muslim countries & are in hidings. Very little support.
Myth 2: West do not target civilians
Fact: In words they do not, but in action they do. A destroyed country & 250,000 Iraqis killed was NOT accidental.
Killing ratio is 1000 to 1; It is juts PR.
Check YouTube:
Road of Death in Iraq.
Many others
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99
How the heck you know that 250 000 wore killed intentionaly?! do you have documentation of each account?
USA and west armies do not target civilians!
Jihad's kill civilians intentional!! its a demonstrable fact! its says so in the qur'an, and imams confirm it!
i told you before, jihad's hide among there civilian population, in cities, in houses.
they even hide in crowds. so ofcource there will be high civil casualties, but the blood is on jihads hands.
tigerclaw1000 1 week ago
Reza Aslan is either really ignorant of the Islamic world or a lier.
asflagg 3 weeks ago
If Reza Aslan went to the muslim brotherhood website he would see that their slogan reads: "God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations." Incredibly disingenuous of him to say that SH "PROFOUNDLY" misunderstands the muslim brotherhood.
mistaboogy44 1 month ago
@mistaboogy44 That's bullshit, visit ikhanweb.com (the official site of the muslim brotherhood) and tell me where you see that written
devdissent 2 weeks ago
"Islam is a religion of peace" We all really need to stop banging that drum, they seem to have stopped saying it in the press.
orbital92hotmail 1 month ago
@orbital92hotmail
And that was one of the objective of bashing of Islam. It was to stop the press from saying "Isalm is a religion of peace". but because the press stopped saying that; it does not stop it being a religion of peace.
arraba99 4 weeks ago
@arraba99 common buddy, I'm not a politician and dont need to sugar coat it for you. Islam is a putrid and vile religion. Islam reminds of that guy at school who had the hot girlfriend, then grew up to be a factory worker and still has that same ego from the glory days.
orbital92hotmail 4 weeks ago
If its political oppression and situations which drive people to attack non-combatants, then why aren't the Tibetans rising up in full and starting a armed conflict? Why aren't they forming militias and suicide bombing groups to attack the Chinese combatants and non-combatants? If the Muslim world is so obcessed with 'freeing people from injustice' then why are they not speaking up for the Tibetans? Or the Christians of South Sudan? Why this double standards?
Malayboy79 1 month ago
Religion doesn't give you a reason to blow yourself up, but it does give you an excuse.
elgar104 1 month ago
Though he keeps working around Sam's talking points without really addressing them, Reza's cute. Sam Harris has reasoned arguments, but Reza's got the stuff I'd love to romp around for a bit in bed with!
NickieFernz 1 month ago
Reza has a point when he talks about non-Muslim leaders framing things in religious terms.. but think about the difference for a second. George Bush said he heard the call from God to become president. Did any of his supporters strap bombs to themselves and walk into a Democratic campaign center to blow themselves up because they thought they would then go to heaven? No. And such hypotheticals are absurd in the extreme. So Reza's whole argument here is similarly absurd.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
Palestine is a religious issue. The ONLY reason Muslims are upset about Palestine is because they are siding with Muslims against the Jews which their religion tells them to do. When was the last time a Muslim blew himself up for Darfur? Iraq is also a religious issue, same thing basically, and the military bases in Saudi Arabia, also a religious issue. Reza has no argument at all here when he says Osama was motivated by non-religious issues. He can't see the forest for the trees.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
Reza's argument at the beginning would be compelling if it were true, but it's not. Was Osama bin Laden a poor Muslim living in a garbage heap in Gaza? Not quite. He was incredibly rich, spent time in Scandanavia, was from an affluent country. There are millions and millions of Muslims from EVERY country who sympathize with terrorists, hate Jews, oppress women and embrace violence and anti-social behavior BECAUSE they are Muslim. In Amsterdam, London, and New York, too. Not just in Gaza.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
Before colonial Britain, France ... etc carved up the Middle East, it was one Arab entity within the Caliphate rule. So logically Arabs (Osama is one) and Muslims naturally feel affinity towards one another. Just like the Anglo Saxon world do, even in aggression, as has been evident in the last few conflicts. If Osama affluence disqualifies him from feeling of kinship towards Arabs, does that mean affluent Anglos Saxon “Christian” should NOT support their own. A little logic, pleas!
arraba99 1 month ago
@arraba99 it might be "natural".. but it is not logical, and it is certainly not moral or right. Tribalism is arguably the single greatest evil the world has ever known, in all its forms, that includes religion, nationalism, racial pride, nepotism, etc.
The whole reason Muslims were upset about the creation of the state of Israel is because of their religion. Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE... were all created in basically the same way as Israel.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
@kalbahamut
The states of Jordan, Iraq, Synria Lebanon were not created on some one else country, They were created for their respective citizen.
"israel" was created in place of Palestine by importing Pseudo-Semitic Zionist "Jews" from Europe in mass numbers and expelling Palestinians in mass to make room for them.
There is nothing natural about that!
This is the core of the problem.
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 the core problem is that people like you don't understand the core problem. Jews lived in the land of Israel thousands of years before Islam existed, and they have been there, at least to a degree, ever since. Jews were a huge majority in Jerusalem even during the Ottoman period. If you look at the demographic data, there was a larger increase in the Arab population in Israel leading up to 1948 than there was in the Jewish population. Nothing was stolen from anybody.
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
@kalbahamut
1: Up to 1900, few Jews lived in Palestine (<.5%). This is based on factual historical Ottoman period data; Mostly those who fled Spain, 16th century.
2: Minorities are ruling some Arab states through corrupt dictatorship, they are being overthrown. What is you point here?
3: Mass Pseudo-Semitic Zionist Europeans were imported from Europe with Britain help & expelled inhabitants “the Martians, if you wish” & stole their land & homes.
What are the parallels here!
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 also, the Hashemites who rule/ruled Jordan were not Jordanian. The baathists who took over Iraq were not the majority there. The royal family that still controls Bahrain do not represent the majority there. There were no Arab wars of extermination against these countries, crying out for the rights of the oppressed majority. Why? Jews are a majority in Israel. Arabs/Muslims can vote and have representatives in the Knesset. How many Jews are in line to be the next dictator of Iran?
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
@kalbahamut
Jews of Middle East, NOT pseudo- Semitic European Zionists, controlled Palestine less than 70 years over the last 5,000 years. If we are to redraw world map based on 3,000 years ago, the world be on fire
Joke: 70% of Israel’s Jews do not believe in G-d, but 90% believe G-d gave them Palestine
Irrational claims begot irrational arguments
Solution: Zionist boats came in mass from Europe; they go back to Europe. The sooner the better for everyone. Give it 10-20 years Max
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 You're really fucking retarded, man. You lost all claim to being taken seriously when you stated that Palestine was a country that was 5000 years old. You don't have the foggiest fucking clue what you are talking about. 20 years max? haha.. jesus fucking christ and by muhammad's rapist pedophile ass you people are STUPID.
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
@kalbahamut
You said: "haha.. jesus fucking christ and by muhammad's rapist pedophile ass you people are STUPID."
You just insulted Jesus & Mohammad (PBUT), both of whom would honour your family line all the way to the first chimp.
Talmud: Sanhedrin: 59a on sodomy of children:
Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum.
Need I say more!
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 Jesus was most likely fictional (and if he wasn't, "Isa" certainly was). Muhammad was real, but was also just about the most horrible human being that ever lived. I have a few fucked up people in my family but trust me, Muhammad was worse than all of them. I don't have the "honor" of being related (at least not recently) to anyone who was a serial killer, serial rapist, pedarest and terrorist. Are you stupid enough to think I must be Jewish? Probably.
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 additionally, your history is a bit off. Europeans did not carve up the Arab caliphate, which was long gone before European Imperialism. The Ottoman Empire, which was ruled by Turkic peoples from central Asia originally but living in Anatolia, lost World War 1. Britain, France, et cetera took over administering lands that had been under foreign rule already for 500+ years. btw Jews were a majority in Jerusalem even during the Ottoman period.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
@arraba99 my first point didn't post. I said that it might be "natural" for Muslims to support Muslims, but it is not good and not logical. Tribalism is a great evil in all forms. That includes religion, nationalism, nepotism, racism, etc.
Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE etc were created approximately the same way as Israel, but no Muslim was bothered by this. Logically, they should have supported the creation of Israel as well. But religion = insanity.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
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BER2ERKER 1 month ago
It's pointless, as he believes in Islam. Plain and simple, it is. He is forbade to speak against it, so I'd he believes it, you cannot have a debate with him.
BER2ERKER 1 month ago
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THEDUDE1948 2 months ago
Very good debate with excellent points made on both sides... am an admirer of both Reza Aslan and Sam Harris.
willhum 2 months ago
reza is talking for the sake of talking
loly1969 2 months ago
muslim wil ever admit theres something violent n wrrong with their culture ? hee hee
loly1969 2 months ago
@loly1969 not to an outsider, no.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
So far not impressed by reza lol
pinkfloyddwc 2 months ago
muslim brotherhood is a jihad organization.
look how reza lies. taqiyya.
karlsmith00 2 months ago
PROFOUND jiggling at 7:19
kumaraisin 2 months ago
reza aslan is involved in taquiya and purposefully lying here to further up their shit religion.
TheRajibmondal 2 months ago
your an idiot Sam Harris, religion is just an excuse for violence (maybe not in the olden days) just like a street name that a gang member is from or a football team for a guy from a riot at a raider game
caitlyn525 2 months ago
Reza Aslan had absolutely no knowledge of islam and muslim world. He is lying.
rarehman 3 months ago
I'm glad that Reza FINALLY brings up the elephant in the room. Although not forcefully enough. Poverty definitely contributes but US foreign policy contributes vastly more. As US Empire encroaches on others (not just Muslims as the ignorant believe ie Latin America, Asia, Africa, etc), it forces people in a corner. People resort to violence when no other recourse is offered. Actually, they are DENIED. Stop committing terrorism and people will not want to commit it against you Uncle Sam.
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ChollieD 3 months ago
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@JoebooSauce That's right. Nobody has any human agency in the world except for the US. It;s all pretty much our fault. We're the only ones committing evil in the world. It never happens, for example, because some illiterate Mullah promises young desperate men 72 virgins if they go blow up themselves in the vicinity of infidels. And the leaders of Muslim nations aren't responsible for anyone's poverty: it's our fault for having even one meeting with those bad guys.
Oh, we're so bad! (Flogs self)
ChollieD 3 months ago
@ChollieD
No, not all Americans are bad. You are though. The ones that do not know their OWN history are a disease. IGNORANCE is what we call it. And yet, your kind has the gall to claim to know what is right for the world. 60+ illegal interventions since WWII to overthrow elected leaders, torture, and murder just for access to mineral resources. (Google William Blum Killing Hope and READ.) Don't know all this? SHAME ON YOU! You lazy waste and burden. YOU make Americans look bad!!!
JoebooSauce 3 months ago
even if it may be social, economic/political issues that Osama is concerned about, the fact that Osama is using religion to deceive his people is just pushing the ownness of religious barbarism one step back. There is no logical reason so many people would sacrifice their lives unless they were sure of reward in the afterlife...this is not just a battle of honor/identity.
test123ok 3 months ago
There is absolutley no comparision between a statement in our secular nation, and what is said on a film before they behead a captive.
sarainreno30 3 months ago
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IncomingMonkeyTurd 3 months ago
He's fucking lying. Yes, Christians in different parts of the world may have some differences, but it's not like that with Muslims. They're one "Ummah", even British Muslims think apostasy should carry the death penalty. Muslims all over the world want to live in a world ruled by sharia law. Swedish Christians are VERY different, and WAAAAAY more moderate than American Christians. Is there such a difference between Egyptian and Iraqi Muslims? Seriously fucking doubt it.
Nomiss9 4 months ago
@Nomiss9 What? Yes there are significant differences between Muslims. Yes, Egyptian and Iraqi Muslims are different, but those are also in the same region of the world. There are Indonesian Muslims, African Muslims, American Muslims, and Middle Eastern Muslims. Yes, they are very different.
TheTroubadoursMusic 3 months ago
Muslim Brotherhood is not a jihadist organization? Bullshit. Aslan is a liar.
greenarcher180 4 months ago 6
@greenarcher180 prove it.
araidude 3 months ago
@araidude
Read the Holy books of Islam and you'll have your proof.
theviolator23 3 months ago
@greenarcher180 What difference does it make? Does the M.B. govern you and your life?
TurboFuss1 3 months ago
@greenarcher180 I know, right? Aslan would make his namesake lion in Narnia rather disappointed.
Calliope222 1 month ago
@greenarcher180 You're a liar, you atheist piece of shit. The Muslim Brotherhood is a political organization that wasn't to get rid of puppet dictatorships.
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@YouTodayKing Silly, uneducated kid. Just Google "Muslim Brotherhood financing" and see the connection to terrorist organizations throughout the Middle East. Additionally, check YouTube for Aslan debates and see him get destroyed concerning his apologists views of Islam. Why do you think Aslan is welcome in Iran? Atheism merely means I am better educated than you and have cast off childhood indoctrination to childish fairy tales like the Quran.
greenarcher180 1 month ago
@greenarcher180 Oh yeah, you sound so educated now. As far as the world is concerned, the biggest terrorism organization is the pentagon. Maybe if you read some Chomsky you could educate yourself. However, you're probably too stupid to even understand. After all, you're a Harrison zealot.
YouTodayKing 1 month ago
@YouTodayKing Didn't bother to research it. No surprise. The facts hurt the sensitive. No issue with Chomsky or the facts. You are the one that refuses to accept truth. Harris tells it like it is with no BS Muslim apologist rhetoric. Islam is a regressive creed for the ignorant and indoctrinated.The Brotherhood is a terrorist organization.
greenarcher180 1 month ago
@greenarcher180 When Chomsky talked about Harris, he said Harris is follows the worse kind of religion, the state religion.
Why don't you read the story of Al-Hassan al-bannah, the person who kick started the brotherhood. Why don't you read their books? They want political freedom from the west. It's something Muslims in those lands yearn.
The pentagon is a terrorist organization. The Brotherhood is just a resistance force.
YouTodayKing 1 month ago
@YouTodayKing State religion? Absurd. Chomsky is a pacifist, the Brotherhood is not. Nice contradictory comparison. Why don't you face the facts of terrorist connections? Just a resistance force? No such thing under Islam.Half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. Research shows IQ is 10-16 points lower in inbred children and social behavior develops slowly and have a high rate of mental disorders. Add Islam tothe mix and these people are really screwed up.
greenarcher180 1 month ago
@greenarcher180 Yes, the state religion. You've never read Chomsky, so you have no idea what you're talking about you're talking about. The terrorists are the people in the pentagon. The people with the greatest connections to terrorists is the CIA.
YouTodayKing 1 month ago
@greenarcher180
From what have seen so far, Atheists mean arguing ignorant of facts. They resorts to profanity, cursing and name calling when they are cornered with reason and logic.
I would not call that "better education"!
As for indoctrination, i have yet to see more dogmatic bunch than them . Thus closed mindedness to protect their weak belief, which they claim is not a belief.
As for, any moron can see that he owned Sam on all accounts.
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 rational people don't resort to name calling when they are confronted with ignorant fucking morons like you... in that case, there is nothing else one can resort to. YOU are not capable of intelligent argument or discussion. So why bother pretending like we are having a discussion when we are not? Better to just call you a fucking idiot, like you are, and walk away.
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
@kalbahamut
People with reason, intellect, sound mind and decent upbringing, they say; we agree to disagree and walk a way
But people with stunted intellect and matching moral compass, they hide behind their anonymity and lash out with profanity, when they run out of reason
" The strong are not those who shout loudest (nor get angry fastest), but those who keep calm in face disagreement (or anger)" the Nobel Prophet Mohammad
You & your ilk need his teachings more than anyone else
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 " The strong are not those who shout loudest (nor get angry fastest), but those who keep calm in face disagreement (or anger)" the Nobel Child Rapist Mohammad
pretty weak words coming from a man who ordered genocide and routinely murdered people who hurt his feelings. I've known monkeys more civilized than your "prophet," and smarter than you.
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
@kalbahamut
I always support my facts with citations and specific refrences.
Support your claims likewise, otherwise you are fabricating.
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 1. bullcrap. You haven't supported jack shit, other than quoting something from the Talmud which is totally irrelevant so who cares.
2. citations? in the YouTube comments section? haha.
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
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writersblock26 3 weeks ago
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@arraba99 Atheism is not a system of knowledge. It is, in the strictest sense, a lack of belief in a personal God, so I am not how you could construe it as a form of education, let alone "better education." Regardless, there is a slight negative correlation between higher education and disbelief. You are welcome to disbelieve that, as well all the many other things that science has established (again and again), but do not be surprised if you find yourself on the losing side of the argument.
writersblock26 3 weeks ago
@greenarcher180 "Allah is our objective, the Quran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, Jihad is our way, and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."- Credo of the Muslim Brotherhood
yeap, Reza is right. They use religion to address political and economical issues. Is he fucking insane!!!!! He is obviously a suit and tie Islamist who is spreading deception.
44warjunkie 1 month ago
@greenarcher180 Anything that defends muslims or a muslim group is a liar and a terrorist right? You are so fuckin ignorant
Hkhan23 2 weeks ago
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@greenarcher180 Anything that defends muslims or a muslim group is a liar and a terrorist right? You are so fuckin ignorant
Hkhan23 2 weeks ago
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@greenarcher180 Anything that defends muslims or a muslim group is a liar and a terrorist right? You are so fuckin ignorant
Hkhan23 2 weeks ago
Reza Arslan...
The rather blatant fallacy to be observed with this type of perspective is that to believe what this man is saying you must then also believe that they are not somehow aware of the fact that they are giving religious justifications for their behavior or the direct implications of that fact! Why? Apparently because Western apologists like him know better than them!
80EaterPumpkin 4 months ago
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Forgarr 4 months ago
Someone needs to shoot Aslan to put that retard out of his misery
TAz69x 4 months ago
@TAz69x Really??? it's not enough to argue or disagree with this guy but we need to SHOOT HIM??? come on man... :(
Forgarr 4 months ago
@Forgarr your joke-detector seems to be off man
TAz69x 4 months ago
@TAz69x How could that possibly be taken as a joke? I'm an atheist, I'm not taking offence or anything but you don't joke about killing people...
Forgarr 4 months ago
@Forgarr It's a South Park ref.
TAz69x 4 months ago
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@TAz69x Oh yeah lol, bit obscure though... sorry man :P
Forgarr 4 months ago
Starting around 3:38 Harris crushes.
Dilky01 5 months ago
I love it how Harris does his "Cold Steel" when looking at his ahem opponent
sonykroket 5 months ago
Why do the muslim speakers ALWAYS sound dishonest and false?
greeny202a 5 months ago
@greeny202a Because they are. The longer a day is, the more bullshit Aslan releases...
No, Muslim Brotherhood isn't Jihaddist ...
No, Bin Laden isn't driven by religious motives ...
I wonder if he really believes that crap or if he is practicing Taqiyya.
sooperfukker 5 months ago
@sooperfukker Yes unfortunately I agree with you, I usually like to think better of humanity you know find the good in people but the majority of Muslims makes it VERY difficult.
greeny202a 5 months ago
@greeny202a
Do you know the majority of muslims? I am a firm atheist (or anti-theist), but it seems incredibly stupid to generalize that "most" muslims are inherently bad people. Many of them live in desperate regrettable situations, and will often use their texts to "justify" abhorrent actions. That said, I believe Christians would do the same thing in their situation. There are plenty of examples in the bible that could be used to "justify" horrendous acts.
Kloborgg 5 months ago
@Kloborgg I am of course referring to the majority of Muslims on YouTube! This should have been obvious! But I will go along with it..... OK so are you trying to say that most muslims are dishonest and false because they live in desperate, regrettable situations? BOLLOCKS! You actually hit the nail on the head with your comment (even though I suspect you didn't realise it), the point is WHY ARE THEY JUSTIFYING HORRENDOUS ACTS INSTEAD OF CONDEMNING THEM? Only Muslims protect mass murderers.
greeny202a 5 months ago
@greeny202a
What? Most Muslims are not any more dishonest than the average Christian or Atheist. Many of them live in desperate situations. These will inevitably lead some people to commit horrendous acts (and I'm not justifying them). Those who commit these acts often justify themselves with their scripture. Most Muslims do condemn said acts. Why don't Christians do this? Again... because Christians don't on a whole live in the same situations...
Kloborgg 5 months ago
@Kloborgg Im sorry but this is complete nonsense! The Africans live in the worst circumstances of any people on earth when was the last time you saw a group of Africans kidnap two planes and fly them into tower blocks, or shove explosives down their underpants, walk into a hospital and explode them? Muslims do what they do because of their disgusting, violent, bronze age scripture that is completely incompatible with the modern world! And frankly WTF does it matter what Christians do anyway?
greeny202a 5 months ago
@greeny202a
Africans don't hijack planes? Are you serious right now?
Kloborgg 5 months ago
@Kloborgg Are you being deliberately obtuse? I mean flying planes into office blocks and blowing themselves up because they think they will get 72 virgins in paradise!!!!! You sound just like one of the politically correct arseholes that has lead the world to the position that it is in today in the first place! Islam has not changed its views since the formation of the Caliphate in 900AD and if you cannot see the very serious danger that this backward ideology presents then your a fool.
greeny202a 5 months ago
@greeny202a
Do you really need to add some sort of condescending remark into every response you give? If you want to be heard it'd help to not come across as an asshole.
Kloborgg 5 months ago
@Kloborgg Its very difficult not to be condescending when your opening remark suggests that the followers of the most rigidly totalitarian religious ideology that has probably ever existed are no different than anybody else! I live in England and believe me when I tell you that I know EXACTLY what Islam is, the good parts as well as the bad.
greeny202a 5 months ago
@greeny202a
Oh, England? Neat? If you believe that people are born worse than others inherently you're no better than radical religious followers.
Kloborgg 5 months ago
@Kloborgg That is the whole point with Islam they are not born into it they are indoctrinated! You only have to look around YouTube for Muslim children. Have a look at this on YouTube"?v=8Tfh2PnvTnY" Of course no one is born bad, this is where people misunderstand it is not Muslims that are bad but Islam itself.
greeny202a 5 months ago
@greeny202a
I agree. I also think Christianity is just as bad. I don't think Islam can take someone who has a normal mental psyche and a regular middle-class upbringing and make them bad people. I think Islam, like Christianity, can give bad people false justification for their acts.
Kloborgg 5 months ago
@Kloborgg Sure all religions are bad but I think with Christianity we have to distinguish between the US and Europe because in Europe we have more or less destroyed Christianity now, at least taken away all of its power, its taken us 2000 years but its nearly done lol. But I do accept that in the US there is still a long way to go.
greeny202a 5 months ago
Aslan is full of crap. Isalm needs to be disemboweled! It's a pathetic cult everyone needs to shun. The Arab countries cause the most problems of our time. Allah should be burned. To hell with the koran and islam.
RratsArtStudio 5 months ago
@RratsArtStudio no such thing as hell moron
vinlahadin2 4 months ago
@01godkiller I ask you again. Does that mean she wouldn't hate non Muslim dictatorship? Would she have loved the Third Reich because it was non Muslim/ Do you get my drift? It is not Islam but it is the people who use the word Islam.
citizenOfNowhere777 5 months ago
@01godkiller Does that mean she wouldn't hate nonMuslim dictatorship? I juts love hoe you people are so boased.
citizenOfNowhere777 5 months ago
Reza is absolutely owning Sam here. Reza is 100% correct in saying that the 'Islamic extremists' are driven more by political reasons than religious ones. They are merely framed in their religious beliefs. It's like George Bush going into Iraq, saying, "God is on our side. This is a fight of good against evil. God bless America." This is exactly the same speech as those we label 'Islamic extremists.' If we are fair, we should call America 'Christian extremists.'
peteagassi 5 months ago
@peteagassi I'm not sure I agree. I think it's more complicated--the social/political on the one hand, and the religious on the other--are blended together in the minds of fanatics like Bin Laden. They cannot be separated. I think the same is true with Bush--the political and the religious are blended--at least with Iraq. The motivations are complex, but what we would recognize as "religious" is a major driving force, and you cannot deny it's powerful influence.
DandAinTac 5 months ago
@peteagassi all religion is indeed extreme. Extremely irrasional. bazinga-
IneffableLifestyle 5 months ago
@peteagassi Yup. Aslan got it right. 'Islamic extremists' are driven more by political reasons than anything else but the western idiots don't get it.
citizenOfNowhere777 5 months ago
Reza Aslan is a IDIOT. Islam is a Virus. It is sadistic and evil.
DementedScrew 6 months ago
6:26. lol
MrScuzzles 6 months ago
@01godkiller
Well that's great. I have yet to meet any Iranians in real life but I'm positive I will.
Anyway, when we keep saying that Islamic extremists/militants are out to get non-Muslims, it really does injustice to the hundreds of thousands of Muslims who were killed by other Muslims.
Just fyi, it's fine to just say "Sharia", rather than "sharia law", since Sharia itself means law. It's pretty mch the equivalent of saying "law law" but it is a common error so I can't blame anyone for it...
NorthCitySider 6 months ago
What is the word that he uses at 44? Rapo...what?
hashpuppy101 6 months ago
@01godkiller
Taqiyya is a Shia belief. Not all Muslims use it, but since Reza is Iranian,( which are mostly Shia), he may be using it. Take my word for it, most Muslims actually do want Islam to be peaceful. Many have found out that it's not peaceful and have left. For example, 40% of Iranians in America are non-religious.
NorthCitySider 6 months ago
… there's an easy solution to religious fundamentalism problem: we put contraceptiva into their drinking water supplies and stop them from breeding like bunny rabbits –– problem solved!
macmarine 6 months ago
Sam represents faux intellectualism taking hold of intelligensia today, an "intelligence" that denies the humanities and functions in a us vs them universe. Shame on people that think like that and think their smart.
SuperTrancend 6 months ago
@SuperTrancend He takes complex ideas and makes them simple. He gives you facts, and then tells you what theses facts imply or represent.
People may imitate him, or parrot him, but do not deny Sam Harris as a smart man.
joshrocks11 6 months ago
Reza is trying hard to block and shift the western mind from the correct path.
zomkhan 6 months ago
I can't believe Reza. First off, religious rhetoric has the most "currency" in America on issues concerning politics and economics for the same reasons it would hold currency in any other country. Because most people in the country are religious.. Reza is supporting Sam's points for him. Also, Reza fails to notice that Sam's grievances are with dogma (religion) itself.. This point in mind, there are many problems in the middle east and north america
joel1876 7 months ago
reza is a highly westernized, highly embarrassed, apologist....and he's blinded by his westernization......the worst kind of spokesman imaginable...
dantes731 7 months ago
@dantes731
Well said. Aslan is a rather tragic figure. Here, he's trying to deny the existence of political Islam.
Msunbird02 7 months ago
atheists how can you sit here and not see that aslan is right on the fact that sam's view is simplistic?
SuperTrancend 7 months ago
@SuperTrancend Hmm, you make a good point. Now I see the light. I am super transcending now.
rrpostalagain 7 months ago 10
@SuperTrancend
It's simplistic, and true.
ludogogo 6 months ago
@cimsid101 That's interesting. Where are the Tibetan Buddhist/Palestinian Christian suicide bombers. Just curious.
jsampras3 7 months ago
Someone should tell Reza that saying "profound" every 10 seconds does not make his argument profound or his insights profound. It's profoundly naive to think that.
PROFOUND
jsampras3 7 months ago
"The Purpose Driven Life is a vastly different book with a vastly different audience..." LOL That was Sam's point, Reza
Gravija1980 7 months ago
@cimsid101 This is true. Suicide bombings, terrorism (Almost to a total extent, of course there is a small group who does it purely out of belief) isn't because of religious beliefes. But because of reppression and oppression of this area for 2 - 300 years. European countries have occupied middle-east and northern Africa. and now it's a form of economical occupation. As Socialism have been seen as a liberation for the working class. Islam is viewed as a liberation for Arabs (I have some remarks)
kabbinet 7 months ago
@kabbinet
The middle east was under European occupation from 1919 to 1940s i.e from the fall of the Ottoman empire to the end of WW2 when most countries in the middle east were formed. Check your facts. Thats a total of some 20-30 years, 10% of what you claim. I would be mroe than happy if we could use some other energy source than oil so we could stop funding Saudi-Arabia and other criminal states and end this "economic represion" that you mention.
omegavalerius 7 months ago
@omegavalerius You are right. I looked it up, However. It seems that this area have under diffrent occupations since the "New kingdom" era of ancient Egypt. which means that this perticular area of the earth have not been allowed to choose it's own direction of society for 3000 years (!). and still are not allowed to do so. The economical represion I speak of is the notion that European countries have not allowed some countries in the region their suveranity over resources.
kabbinet 7 months ago
@al5mnd9trnksdr745bi your going to take rober spencers word???
your a fucking twat.
Zanthios 7 months ago
what rza arslan is saying is simply this: everything is up to interpretation and the the text interpreted doesn´t mean a thing. context is everything, text is nothing. once you formulate all this absurd content in such a fluent flow of words as rza arslan´s speech is, it seems to be deep. however, in reality we are dealing with nothing but old fashioned sophistry and a banal half-truth. i.e. rza is bullshitting.
tmapere 7 months ago 15
@tmapere Yes, but this "contextualizing" that I think you rightly call bullshit is also the method by which liberal religious people can tear away at the worst impulses of their conservative fellows. Not saying that we shouldn't call people like Aslan on their double-think, but that we should hope they win some arguments against the Zawahiris of the world.
ChollieD 5 months ago
@tmapere - so true bro, you can,t help but distinghly notice how emotionly irritated he was when confronted with the naked truth that sam put before him. Typical of a true of mohammad. No how absurd it seem keep lying for allah. Takeya!!!
987654324462 5 months ago
@tmapere Yes, and he sure takes his time doing it. His argument could definately be summed up and he didn't really address the points Same Harris made either.
sarainreno30 3 months ago
@al5mnd9trnksdr745bi Your taking it out of context, he did not praise the Muslim brotherhood in general, he is praising the gradual transition from a Militant group to a political party.
bjl34565 7 months ago
As opposed to written sophistry.
clarkadams 7 months ago
Like every intellectual believer out there reza is trying to shift all blame on other causes than his religion. This is the disconnect within him, the cognitive dissonance that he has to try to convince himself that he doesn't feel.
Deplorable and sad to see that he can not face the issue honestly
faarsight 7 months ago
@faarsight i completely agree.. he understands the argument of opposition and instead of agreeing with him try to come up with some blabber to convince himself. A waste of great intellect.
akafrooti 7 months ago
little children are kidnapped and strapped with bombs, can this be condoned for any purpose? are the people who do this on the side of god?
uknichu 7 months ago
Aslan is fighting a losing battle. Even if the grievances are political or social at root (and I'm certainly not convinced they all are), religion is still what is used to get the idiots on board. It's infuriating that Aslan wastes so much intelligence protecting the very thing that we could ALL do so much better without.
JoshwithaJ 8 months ago
@JoshwithaJ and your entitled to your opinion however absurd it maybe
Zanthios 7 months ago
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Hefurnahn 8 months ago
very nice to see two intellectuals talk about this, I dont think they are taking about the same thing.
Lejfieg 8 months ago
reza aslan spittin' out the truth at 7:46. This is a political problem expressed through the language of Islam. Jihad is justified when Muslims perceive their religion to be under attack. It is defensive by nature. Triggers like US troops in Saudi Arabia, the Iraq and Afghanistan occupations, and Israel-Palestine are ultimately the REAL causes of, "terrorism", or as i think it more accurate to say this Islamic insurgency. Acts like this are perceived as an attack on Islam by Muslims.
John5000873 8 months ago
@John5000873 There are also US forces stationed in Australia, Germany, Britain, and many other countries. There are no terrorists issuing from any of those countries. The invasion of Afghanistan was a response to 9/11, an attack prosecuted by terrorists supported by the Taliban regime. In Palestine, there were no suicide bombing attacks until the 1980s; the West Bank and Gaza had been occupied since 1967. If the Israeli occupation is the 'REAL' cause of terrorism it should have started earlier.
haydencantact 8 months ago
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John5000873 8 months ago
And the evidence:
On violence and Atheism:
watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA&feature=related
On intelligence and religion:
watch?v=4EWyD34FxmI&feature=grec
vexen dot co dot uk/religion/intelligence dot html
warren52nz 8 months ago
No matter how you spin it, religion is still a very negative force in human society. You see it constantly. The irony is that while the religious are out there claiming you can't have morals without religion, all you have to do is look at the facts to see that the more religious a country is, the lower the IQ and the more violent it is. The average IQ of the States is well below average and the worst states are almost exclusively the most religious. I have a state by state map showing the result
warren52nz 8 months ago
good debate
ehsanraj1 8 months ago
Its sad to see how people react to reza aslan via there comments, showing they are the bigots. Let him express himself and boy o boy he owned this deabate
786sverige 8 months ago 2
If religion was still in power globally, people like Reza wouldn't be able wear a suit using a microphone in front of an audience defending dangerous sandbox-fairytales
Cause free speech aint very high on the agenda of the superstitious.
sonykroket 8 months ago
Sam's intellect is unmatched. I have yet to see a debate of his where he does not have an extremely insightful and poignant rebuttal.
Imthewalrus06 9 months ago
Harris' comeback to the comment on book sales was excellent. He was being attacked with a hollow weapon there.
killer3596 9 months ago
It's really tiresome how he thinks the word "profound" belongs to a very sophisticated language.
It sounds really forced and it's just plain annoying.
Norwification 9 months ago
@Norwification ... LOL - I was finding this really interesting until you pointed out the repeated use of 'profound'. Now I cringe every time he speaks hoping he doesn't use it again. I may have to turn this into a tequila shots game.
FrodoDojo 9 months ago
this guy's such an arrogant prick
Kougeki1000 9 months ago
Reza sounds like Seth Green.
kirakun 9 months ago
What a good debate.
Boxcar101 9 months ago