Used to love bikes, but even at this speed and sensible riding skills that you have it's become no fun anymore on a bike, over a ton and your banned and possibly sent to prison, it's a real shame but a sign of the times.
they only thing that i think will make me nervous is the wanking screaming STAY RIGHT!!! STAY RIGHT!!!! STAYRIGHT!!!! i think that makes you more nervous, Just wondering people can you get motorbike lessons 1v1 or does it usually have to be in groups all the time ???
Hmmmm...I appreciate the guy in front was learning, but seriously, learning cornering techniques should be done on a racetrack / Closed circuit without traffic.
The rider in front repeatedly made the classic beginner error of not staying on the inside of the corner until he could see the exit of the corner at the apex. He seemed to try to turn in at or after the apex....which is a recipe for disaster when speeds increase or conditions deteriorate.
@Poltergeyst basically, if you drift over to the outside line as these guys were, you allow more room in the bend to pick a good line, plus if any large vehicles are coming the other way, you aren't in danger of being clobbered. Hope this helps
Wow, I do you record this without getting any motor, road, or wind noise. I'm assuming a helmet mounted mike and you're talking to the other rider, but you either own the queitest helmet in the world, or you've figured out how to mask the other noises. Maybe you recorded this after the fact.
Perhaps a throat mike? its just occurs to me that a throat mike could maybe be this clear.
Since I haven't ridden before, just to clarify, you are helping him learn to keep to the outside of the corner until he can see the end of it, to increase visibility, and perhaps reduce the chance of running over or hitting obstacles in the road? Did I get that right?
@Bodhizzle You are right. We are trying to get as much infirmation as we can, with forward pplanning etc, so by psoitioning in such a way - IF SAFE - gives that extra few seconds of view. I will PM with a pdf that explains a little more
@advancedbiker hey AB, great videos. iv only just sat my cbt and now doing my direct acess in coming weeks. riden bikes before so quite comfortable on them. any chance you can pm the pdf onto e as well please? defo planning on taking advanced riding lessons after passing my direct access. thanks again
Actually AB; that overtake at 7.45...I only just got back before the white line....makes you re-assess the situation. I reckon your day training is worth a week of normal riding training so well worth while. Taking note of one posters comments on lifesaver....am i ok, or should i be doing more? cheers Nige, Andrew.
A lifesaver is a last look behind before deviating, a comes into the 'System' but the last feature. In the modern Roadcraft it is CONSIDERED. Not to be confused with rear observation. You have to think, with modern day motorcycles, the view we have from the mirrors. How ever having said that, if you are in any doubt about what is happening behind, give a 'LIFESAVER'
Almost shat myself when you kept insisting to keep out even though the panniers where over the white line. Bit extreme. I do this kinda stuff on my CBR
im not a member of the IAM, but after watching a few of these vids, am i the only person that thinks the cameraman follws his students a little too close for comfort?
i, like most motorists, have had the "two second rule" drilled into me by every instuctor ive ever spoken to, and it seems odd to me that a qualified instructor would tail so close, on a couple of vids you undertake students when they brake hard due to hazards, surely no instructor would advise this?
I take your comments on board, but it is from the training I rec'd when Police training. Riding close was encouraged and is hard to get out of it. Will try and get some better footage,
I dont know you, and quite frankly dont want too, if you think you dont need to be told what to do, then take your own advice and fuck off, nobody asked you to watch this or any other vid. So keep your smart arse comments to yourself. YA TOSSER.
An alternative to "balance the throttle" which does not state what it is balancing with would be to say "maintain momentum" or even "maintain constant speed" because if you neither accelerate nor decelerate then you simply maintain a constant speed.
Great video. Can I query one thing common to many of your vids?
At 14:20 you urge the trainee to plan for the last right in the far distance, but does that not involve not positioning so as to clear the dead ground in the little fold that he enters at 14:24 early?
You obviously know the road, but riding along that I wouldn't be sure that there wasn't a gateway in there with a tractor waiting to emerge, or a horse & rider or cyclist that I'm not going to see until I'm right on top of...
cont... If it were me, I'd want to position to clear that little bit of mystery hidden there, before sweeping left to position for the right hander.
What in your view is the advantage of positioning so early for that far distant right hander (thus gaining an early view of literally an extra few inches of tarmac in the far distance) when compared with what I perceive to be the disadvantage of failing to clear a possibly larger area of tarmac much closer to me?
As you mus appreciate I onlyhave the riders for a day and with this rider it was trying to develo his forward obseravtion more. He was already an advanced car driver. It is difficult to use the right words in the short time you have to getthe message across....
In hindsight, could have been better phrased, plan for right hand bend ahead, but be aware of ground in between.
I get your point.
I am trying to get the motorcycle at it's most stable bewteen the bends, hope that makes sense.
Thanks, that makes perfect sense. It's been bugging me for a while - you did a vid some time ago all about the benefits of planning ahead, with lots of 'Plan for the last right/left' commentary, and the whole time I was thinking "Yes, but..." :-).
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if you people dont already no what this bloke is telling ya...then should you have past your test....watching you amatures makes me feal pretty good i must admit...go ahed challenge me i dont mind....any time
I have the same problem coming off line too early, mostly turning right - I am trying to train myself to keep looking where I'm going but am also wary of being close to the inside. I'll get you to sort this when we meet.
Another superb video! I have learnt so much from you that I (sometimes) feel a little guilty... But it soon passes!
As I have said before, I use your videos as training aids for my LGV students. Yes! IPSGA and planning ahead for the bends is as relevant for a 44-tonne, 16.5-meter truck as it is for a motorcycle.
Great Vid, thanks again. Its interesting how far you stay out, even over the line, with oncoming cars when going left.
I've had a few close shaves holding it out there that long from oncoming cars that have over cooked the corner lost it and recovered using my line into the corner.
Because of that I stay further in and enter the corner a tad slower but accelerate out of the corner. You will probably disagree the drivers you experience are a lot better than the average peddle stomper in NZ
Used to love bikes, but even at this speed and sensible riding skills that you have it's become no fun anymore on a bike, over a ton and your banned and possibly sent to prison, it's a real shame but a sign of the times.
Enjoyed the video anyhow, thanks.
greatroads 4 months ago
they only thing that i think will make me nervous is the wanking screaming STAY RIGHT!!! STAY RIGHT!!!! STAYRIGHT!!!! i think that makes you more nervous, Just wondering people can you get motorbike lessons 1v1 or does it usually have to be in groups all the time ???
SuperChelseaFC1905 1 year ago
why you drive in the wrong side of the street???
just kidding...nice ride cheers from greece!!!
nickolas..!
MrNIO888 1 year ago
Hmmmm...I appreciate the guy in front was learning, but seriously, learning cornering techniques should be done on a racetrack / Closed circuit without traffic.
The rider in front repeatedly made the classic beginner error of not staying on the inside of the corner until he could see the exit of the corner at the apex. He seemed to try to turn in at or after the apex....which is a recipe for disaster when speeds increase or conditions deteriorate.
And yes, I have ridden superbikes since 1980
CyberEditing 1 year ago
How about the word "preparation"? Setting yourself up for the corner before you tip it in.
3SecondsFromDeath 1 year ago
what's the problem with going in the middle of your lane, through the whole time? the road is not a racing track!
Poltergeyst 1 year ago
@Poltergeyst basically, if you drift over to the outside line as these guys were, you allow more room in the bend to pick a good line, plus if any large vehicles are coming the other way, you aren't in danger of being clobbered. Hope this helps
badman2504 1 year ago
Wow, I do you record this without getting any motor, road, or wind noise. I'm assuming a helmet mounted mike and you're talking to the other rider, but you either own the queitest helmet in the world, or you've figured out how to mask the other noises. Maybe you recorded this after the fact.
Perhaps a throat mike? its just occurs to me that a throat mike could maybe be this clear.
dahveed284 2 years ago
I use Autocom, they have built in noise filters etc....Audio lead connected straight to camcorder. Never had any problems
advancedbiker 2 years ago
Thanks for the rapid reply. I'm amazed - the system gets 100% of the noise and you cannot hear the mike switch on and off with VOX.
dahveed284 2 years ago
Since I haven't ridden before, just to clarify, you are helping him learn to keep to the outside of the corner until he can see the end of it, to increase visibility, and perhaps reduce the chance of running over or hitting obstacles in the road? Did I get that right?
Bodhizzle 2 years ago
@Bodhizzle You are right. We are trying to get as much infirmation as we can, with forward pplanning etc, so by psoitioning in such a way - IF SAFE - gives that extra few seconds of view. I will PM with a pdf that explains a little more
advancedbiker 2 years ago
@advancedbiker i`d also appreciate a PM with that pdf please.thanks
keinome 1 year ago
@advancedbiker hey AB, great videos. iv only just sat my cbt and now doing my direct acess in coming weeks. riden bikes before so quite comfortable on them. any chance you can pm the pdf onto e as well please? defo planning on taking advanced riding lessons after passing my direct access. thanks again
shari7manu 10 months ago
Actually AB; that overtake at 7.45...I only just got back before the white line....makes you re-assess the situation. I reckon your day training is worth a week of normal riding training so well worth while. Taking note of one posters comments on lifesaver....am i ok, or should i be doing more? cheers Nige, Andrew.
powermac1954 2 years ago 2
Feedback on lifesavers......
A lifesaver is a last look behind before deviating, a comes into the 'System' but the last feature. In the modern Roadcraft it is CONSIDERED. Not to be confused with rear observation. You have to think, with modern day motorcycles, the view we have from the mirrors. How ever having said that, if you are in any doubt about what is happening behind, give a 'LIFESAVER'
Hope that helps
Nigel
advancedbiker 2 years ago
Hold on a sec is this guy doing any lifesavers?
HondaFife 2 years ago
When and where should the lifesavers be ?
I am not out to catch you out, but what is your easoning
Regards
Nigel
advancedbiker 2 years ago
Almost shat myself when you kept insisting to keep out even though the panniers where over the white line. Bit extreme. I do this kinda stuff on my CBR
HondaFife 2 years ago
im not a member of the IAM, but after watching a few of these vids, am i the only person that thinks the cameraman follws his students a little too close for comfort?
i, like most motorists, have had the "two second rule" drilled into me by every instuctor ive ever spoken to, and it seems odd to me that a qualified instructor would tail so close, on a couple of vids you undertake students when they brake hard due to hazards, surely no instructor would advise this?
mikeloaf 2 years ago
I take your comments on board, but it is from the training I rec'd when Police training. Riding close was encouraged and is hard to get out of it. Will try and get some better footage,
Regards
Nigel
advancedbiker 2 years ago
its completely different to how you see some ride, knee down and in close to the corner. opens the visuals though hey
banjorogers 2 years ago
Harrymonk needs to go back under his (or her) rock.
jeff8478 2 years ago
Thanks for your support - User removed.
Regards
Nigel
advancedbiker 2 years ago
Fair enough - you're obviously harder than the road/car/truck you're going to bounce off. At least on a keyboard you're trying to be.
Go buy a trampoline so you can practice falling down because you've got no interest in staying on.
siraff2 2 years ago
I dont know you, and quite frankly dont want too, if you think you dont need to be told what to do, then take your own advice and fuck off, nobody asked you to watch this or any other vid. So keep your smart arse comments to yourself. YA TOSSER.
banditkiddy 2 years ago
Thanks for your support,
User removed and blocked
advancedbiker 2 years ago
An alternative to "balance the throttle" which does not state what it is balancing with would be to say "maintain momentum" or even "maintain constant speed" because if you neither accelerate nor decelerate then you simply maintain a constant speed.
littlestworkshop 2 years ago
Thanks for the feedbacka, I will try it next time out. Got to be careful on how it comes out over the radio. Might try 'Maintain'.
advancedbiker 2 years ago
excellent video
SouthLondonKravMaga 2 years ago
Hi Nigel
Great road to pratice on and yet another great video.
P
patrickcbf 2 years ago
Great video. Can I query one thing common to many of your vids?
At 14:20 you urge the trainee to plan for the last right in the far distance, but does that not involve not positioning so as to clear the dead ground in the little fold that he enters at 14:24 early?
You obviously know the road, but riding along that I wouldn't be sure that there wasn't a gateway in there with a tractor waiting to emerge, or a horse & rider or cyclist that I'm not going to see until I'm right on top of...
khaylock 2 years ago
cont... If it were me, I'd want to position to clear that little bit of mystery hidden there, before sweeping left to position for the right hander.
What in your view is the advantage of positioning so early for that far distant right hander (thus gaining an early view of literally an extra few inches of tarmac in the far distance) when compared with what I perceive to be the disadvantage of failing to clear a possibly larger area of tarmac much closer to me?
Cheers!
khaylock 2 years ago
As you mus appreciate I onlyhave the riders for a day and with this rider it was trying to develo his forward obseravtion more. He was already an advanced car driver. It is difficult to use the right words in the short time you have to getthe message across....
In hindsight, could have been better phrased, plan for right hand bend ahead, but be aware of ground in between.
I get your point.
I am trying to get the motorcycle at it's most stable bewteen the bends, hope that makes sense.
Nigel
advancedbiker 2 years ago
Thanks, that makes perfect sense. It's been bugging me for a while - you did a vid some time ago all about the benefits of planning ahead, with lots of 'Plan for the last right/left' commentary, and the whole time I was thinking "Yes, but..." :-).
khaylock 2 years ago
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if you people dont already no what this bloke is telling ya...then should you have past your test....watching you amatures makes me feal pretty good i must admit...go ahed challenge me i dont mind....any time
BANGERS68 2 years ago
The idea of advanced training is to improve skills, observation and riding techniques.
As riders we're always learning and any extra is a bonus.
Passing the test just means you are up to the legal standard to ride - it doesn't make you good at it.
9/10 its people with big heads and high opinions of themselves that end up with a broken bike and a hospital or morgue visit.
Obviously you know better though so enjoy it while you can.
siraff2 2 years ago
Nigel great video again.
I have the same problem coming off line too early, mostly turning right - I am trying to train myself to keep looking where I'm going but am also wary of being close to the inside. I'll get you to sort this when we meet.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers JJ
The33JAYJAY 2 years ago
Another superb video! I have learnt so much from you that I (sometimes) feel a little guilty... But it soon passes!
As I have said before, I use your videos as training aids for my LGV students. Yes! IPSGA and planning ahead for the bends is as relevant for a 44-tonne, 16.5-meter truck as it is for a motorcycle.
Many thanks again!
toniWB 2 years ago
Great Vid, thanks again. Its interesting how far you stay out, even over the line, with oncoming cars when going left.
I've had a few close shaves holding it out there that long from oncoming cars that have over cooked the corner lost it and recovered using my line into the corner.
Because of that I stay further in and enter the corner a tad slower but accelerate out of the corner. You will probably disagree the drivers you experience are a lot better than the average peddle stomper in NZ
spearfysh 2 years ago
Thank you, Nigel another informative video,can see the difference by the end,smoother ride bend to bend,, keep up the good work!
dictatorialmessenger 2 years ago
I slowed the rider down into his 'comfort zone' and everything seemed to be smoother. NOT RUSHING
advancedbiker 2 years ago
Another good video, even at my age and time riding I have picked up so much good info by watching your videos.
Do you go through the video rides with the student later? , What is your average annual riding milage per year ?
uptowndisco2 2 years ago 2
Thanks for the comments, I am running out of ideas for the vids....
Mileage, I do around 12,000 to 15,000 miles, that is with the French trips
advancedbiker 2 years ago