BattleForge DirectX 11 vs. DirectX 10.1

[girinathprthi]

Which one is good- directx 10.1 or 11??

[mcdudly00]

fuck

[rickrocks3000]

I just bought an AMD Radeon 6570 graphics card with DirectX11 on it,i cant wait to install it:D oh and it has a 1GB Video card with it.

[ThePresD]

@rickrocks3000 GTX 560 Ti in sli just gotta second card doubles frame rate :)

[smithlee07]

I dont see any difference !!! Stop producing money sucking shitt.

[51nt3rkl445]

@smithlee07

Its about the frames per second he gets, its faster on directx 11, and of course you dont see a difference, because its not full screen

[atisas2]

Haha DDR2 memory?

[dragan38765]

I thought DX11 will take your fps down with tesselation and shit...

[TheSense13]

@dragan38765 it does if your pc sucks

[zearsocom]

@dragan38765 actually its advanced tesselation so the graphics are more optimised and work better and less clunky but only the newest and the best video cards support dx 11

[valerkata97]

@zearsocom you're 100% right... im with 11 and its WAY more better then 10 or 9 ;)

[Jodwig]

Can anyone tell me how to turn on DX11 in BF? I have Radeon 6850 and Windows 7 >.>

[Darkteammadfiz]

@Jodwig Latest drivers and then I think it will use it by default... Also be sure to download DirectX from the microsoft's site.

[pedrod9basket]

@Jodwig depends on what BF you're playing, and the system turns on automatically when the graphic setting go up to certain point

[GokoJuji]

As long as the graphical settings are the same, DX11 will provide better performance than DX10/10.1, which in turn will have better performance than DX9

But in the DX11 games, the devs just tend to throw in more demanding effects, which is why they are so hard to run...And of course, some games' implementations are just shoddy

[pufixas]

WOW, amazing. I though that newer DirectX will give me less FPS... but not! Better graphics with better performance! What can be better?...

[Imraahm]

I got dx11 on Intelsat card dunno how :o

[FroziS1]

Существенной разницы нет.

[simvolyoutuba]

Радеон с nvidia не стоял и стоять никогда не будет!

[Cursecut3r]

pft DX11 35% faster than DX10?

I don't know if you guys have seen how demanding DX11 is...

[antripod123]

Enough of this marketing gimmick bullshit. Because NVIDIA hasn't lead the new direct x version no one's is upset about it...Tbh they are both shit companies who are pulling out a scam.

[VaygrX]

@antripod123 FUCK...OFF...FROM...YOUTUBE, Nvidia is the Best!!!! GO AND KEEP USING YOU'R STUPID INTEGRATED GRAPHIC CARD

[WeretFilms]

I like how 90% of the comments on this videos are made by people that have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

[Frostiedkdk]

@WeretFilms word

[kartov]

OMG... it's the exact same video !!! :))))))))))

[kalelsant]

minimum 7 fps? what a lame.

[monkeyhascancer]

I play on a laptop with Intel GPUs.

This "DX10 vs DX11" argument is irrelevant.

[jumpwaffles]

wtf no tessellation there no difference nvidia make better card but amd has value. amd 5000 series was not built for tessellation at all if fact frame drop of it lol nvidia had heat and noise issue but 500 series fix that. and amd new are bulit for normal tessellation lol nvidia can have extreme tessellation.

[Hiquenegrello]

how do you get? '-'

lolol put different videos this way you can't see the difference

i mean put first the 9 then 10 then 11

[krypet007]

oh, just a reminder, the human eye usually won't notice much difference in anything more than 25 FPS.

[GraveUypo]

@krypet007 ok, i'll just say "go read some more" here. i'm tired of explaining how the human vision works, but you're WAYS off the truth. 24fps is just the minimum rate for MOVIES not to cause headache in everyone watching them.

[krypet007]

@GraveUypo if not the eye, then most brians ;)

[GraveUypo]

@krypet007 still wrong. people can tell frame rates apart in regular-paced, motion-blurred animations up to around 75~80hz. but the shortest interval of perceivable visual change is a LOT faster than that, and there are situations where you really can't tell 15 and 60fps apart (for example, a camera panning slowly through an image doesn't need that many hz for it to look smooth)

[GraveUypo]

anyways, it's not as simple as "we can see X fps" because it differs with colors, the part of eye we're using (the corners of our vision are a lot more sensitive to flicker and subtle moviments than the center, for example) and quite a few other variables.

BUT i can tell you for sure: stating our vision is limited to only 25hz is about as far from the truth you could get.

[krypet007]

@GraveUypo good, now it seems I've learned more from youtube than from 9 and a half years of school...

[GraveUypo]

@krypet007 elementary or middle school i'm guessing.

i've studied optics in depth.

[DjRaveKing]

DX11 , i see tessellation going on

[legandarymasterrevan]

wtf it's the exact same!

[stasyszz]

cross your eyes and you will see almost 3d video :)

[maurotamm]

dx 10.1 is unoptimized demo of dx11. its liek a teaser version to make money while the final version is ready. Thats why you see barely any visual difference but framerate is better -  its been optimized and improved.

[GamerAndReviewer]

Yeah and if you use DX 9 you will get 60 fps!!! The DX 10 was shitty...

[krypet007]

@GamerAndReviewer like vista and win98? ;P

[chappy45111]

@GamerAndReviewer Its not about frams per second anymore guys its about testelation and QUALITY of the picture in game play. was some vids about directx 9 10 and 11 and see how directx 11 blows the other two out of the water...

[jfrydom]

@chappy45111 nonetheless dx11 is more efficient than dx10

[jackalsocoke]

@GamerAndReviewer No, DX 10 was the starting point for a completely rewritten library, all current generation cards and those from 3-4 years ago are all streamlined for DX9 use. It's why you don't see games written with DX 10.1 (the actual DX10 or truly beginning of a new backwards compatible backbone) most the hardware out there can only handle DX9 so that's what the write the best driver code for. 

[GamerAndReviewer]

@jackalsocoke I mean was shitty due to low fps performance...

[RevengeGoose]

@jackalsocoke The fuck are you talking about?

Most standard cards of today are running DX11

[UserPauli2592]

@RevengeGoose yeah they running dx11 but the most o them haven t enogh power to play with more then 20 fps

[survivorevil]

@RevengeGoose yeah but whats the point of it if they dont fluently support directx 11 features

[krypet007]

tell me, what does the directX have to do with preformance?

as far as I know, it's the card that has something to do with preformance, older cards can manage directX10, newer can manage directX11, because they are newer and better, ofcourse you get better preformance...

[msqrt]

@krypet007 New versions implement new features offered by new cards. For example when rendering to texture in some ancient versions you had to copy the pixels back to system memory to form the texture and send them back to gpu; nowadays you can render directly to a texture: even a card with a faster core or shaders would be significantly slower if it didn't have direct rendering to texture. This is a similar situation, though as a mostly OpenGL programmer I don't know what exactly has changed :)

[krypet007]

@msqrt thx, that's good to know, sadly it doesn't help me with the overpricing in norway..

[mrsquishyboots]

@krypet007 forget the tax codes and retailers in your country, travel then smuggle

[krypet007]

@mrsquishyboots good idea, better try find one next time I'm in sweeden, check the price there.

[falconidaes]

DX11 is bullshit from M$. Do you really want to see games ONLY on M$ Windows?? Do you really want to pay for every M$ Win with new doubtful DX effects??

OpenGL can handle ALL Operating Systems and have the same or grater POWER, SPEED and EFFECTS.

GAME MAKERS wake UP, they are many OSs faster then XP or W7, and yours games will be running faster on every FREE LINUX.

[tencruise]

Ati Radeon 5000 series supports DX11,DX10 and DX9.But Kinda expensive 4 ritenow.

GTX480 or GTX470 is lower price than ATI 5000series.For this moment.

[Jefneurotoxin]

@tencruise IN YOUR DREAMS

[iamamenlala]

i got a radeon hd 4890 for 135€ and for that price i shit on dx11.

[TheWindowsHack]

@iamamenlala

i have radeon hd 5770 sapphire

everything runs on highest spec with dual, sometimes, tri monitor

[NvidiaFTWGTX470]

@TheWindowsHack haha you fucking bastard hd 5770 is the biggest shit to slow for dx 11

[hacker13sacker]

@NvidiaFTWGTX470 WOW lol maturity. If your gonna talk shit about a gpu then at least put your sentences together so they make sense. 5770 is a more than capable card especially if your not trying to leave the $200 range. Not everyone wants to buy a 500 dollars gpu. Relax bro, relax ;)

[silenceyouidiot]

@NvidiaFTWGTX470 Haha, the 470 is one of the biggest wastes in money. Just like how a 460 gives better performance than a 465.

[wishihadaname94]

@silenceyouidiot

And if you overclock the 460 you get around 470 performance in games..

and sli version dominates gtx480 and still costs less...

[silenceyouidiot]

@wishihadaname94 Honestly, I was a bit sad to see how the Nvidia 460 scaled up to it's higher end models for a fraction of the price. I bought a 5770 2 weeks before the 460 came out, was almost tempted to sell my card and get the 460. The 5770 is a great card for the price as well.

[wishihadaname94]

@silenceyouidiot

Indeed, i was actually thinking about getting that card as well but then i saw all the benchmarks and went with the 460s...getting my second one in a week or two..

[silenceyouidiot]

@wishihadaname94 I was thinking if I should crossfire or buy a 9500 and use it as a cheap way to get physx while using my 5770 for rendering.

[wishihadaname94]

@silenceyouidiot

trust me..Physx isn't worth it..

Played with Physx on Mafia 2 and all it does is add rubble AKA shit ton more lag.

[silenceyouidiot]

@wishihadaname94 Mhhh, thought they fixed physx to work better on the 400 series.

Oh well, either I'll wait for the 6000 series and see how a 6770 performs over a 5770 and by price point, or crossfire the 5770's once they come out and the 5770's drop by a few bucks.

[TheDarkman21]

@wishihadaname94 if you have an new Nvidia card like the 9600++ i am sure the game will run great with Physx On but again Mafia 2 reccomends an 9800gt-gtx

so ...thats all :P and if you see carefully the changes betwin Physx On and Off you will be surpised :p and also the game need to suport physx too :P

[GigaFan4000]

@iamamenlala die hab ich auch, nur kauf ich mir bald ne andere da neuere spiele schon wieder ruckeln, wahrscheinlich eine gtx 460, 470 oder 480 ...

[TheMastasword]

i hav a vista never updated the card do i only hav to down load direct x 10 or 11?

[fernank017]

too bad the human eye cant see more then 32fps...its a pitty to want to have 200fps on a game where you can only see 32 :(

[TheWeirdMusic]

@fernank017

Um nuuu more like 60 FPS.

[Deluxeta]

@TheWeirdMusic Both of you are wrong, it depends on the reactivity of the person. And it's virtually infinite, you're eyes don't flicker 60 times / seconds.

[Infinitedestruction1]

they looked exactly the same to me

[SpineShank7]

@Infinitedestruction1 Apparently you missed the big yellow numbers showing that dx11 performed better. That was the point of this video.

[dav1dhoang]

@Infinitedestruction1 the performance is greater. O.o DX11 is like a lite version of DX 10.1 so games lag less. :|

[4Orange2Bud0]

@Infinitedestruction1 because it is, battleforge is only used to show the performance upgrade you can get with Direct X11

[Cobac]

@Infinitedestruction1 you fking moron ........ directx doesnt MAGICALY MAKE A GAME look better but improve its performance by calculating the graphics faster and with a more improved system ....... READ OVER GOOGLE BEFORE YOU POST NONSENSE

[bg048]

@Infinitedestruction1 because the videos on youtube are only 25FPS. Of course you are not going to see a difference here. You have to do it side by side. And both are above 25FPS.

[WeretFilms]

@Infinitedestruction1

That's because even at 20 fps, thats still 20 frames (Which are like still pictures) that are displayed to us all within a second. It still looks smooth to us.

[MentalProductions101]

@Infinitedestruction1 Same here they chose a bad game (and poor resolution capture) to compare.

[dawnbenzkofer]

@Infinitedestruction1 look at fps

[kiloah92]

@Infinitedestruction1 they do look exactly the same but DX11 is getting way more fps

[AnonRanGER01]

@Infinitedestruction1

Yes, with a 35% raise in FPS, which is the point of this video, as you can see in the vid description.

[overwhelming12]

Just bought a laptop, and it supported dx 11. Awesome \./

[Harpreet06]

huh, dx11 causes a fps drop.

[94XJ]

Side note, I do like AMD gpus...they make some great cards. For me nvidia is the way to go because I run Folding@Home far more than I do anything else on my computer and that just plain runs better on nvidia architecture. Price and power consumption matters nothing to me if it means helping cure diseases that took my cousin from me last month and is hurting my girlfriend now. I'm not a fanboy, I love tech and for the price, AMD/ATI is AMAZING. I love my 1055t too.

[95928225]

So,after watching this ,we can say the Directx11 is less heavy than Directx10? or is it just in this game?

[norwaygy]

that tesselation and lighting looks sexy on battleforge lol

[duncieboi32]

direct x 11 is direct x 10.1 u ideot

[TearsOfWar1]

Well DX11 runs at a much better frame rate. I don't notice any big graphical differences though...

[PSPGamer96]

hmmmm my Gainward HD4870 1GB is better as it was shown by the benchmark

my average fps : 36

min : 27

max : 260

[r0rozx]

I see no difference in visual experience and of course dx 11 is faster . come on , dx 11 card are much stronger ,that is why it get higher frames .

Dx 11 aint nothin !!

I am wating for DX 12 !!

[Cleroth]

@r0rozx Everything looks pretty much real by now. It's more a matter of putting the right art together.

[Cleroth]

@r0rozx DX11 just came out, they haven't taken fully advantage of it for now, they just made it compatible, so it could be faster, I guess.

[johnchen0213]

... if frame rate it's all the matter on Dx 11, then fuck this

[Dinoco13]

DX 11 is shit every game slows down if DX11 is activated shit engine, i hate such noob videos that are not truth

[Alucardthedeadone]

@Dinoco13 DX11 plays good 4 me and my cpu is a bottleneck.

[CRAKIZGOOD]

@Dinoco13

hmm in bc2 i get another 5 fps when dx11 is on

40 fps - ~45 (hbao off)

[TearsOfWar1]

@Dinoco13 How is this "not truth"? Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't make it DX11's fault.

[hd5770Gamer]

dx 11 looks nicer and is faster unbelievable!!!!

love it

[9578755]

use direct x 9 or 11 there no difference you can see with your eyes lol. comparing framerates is pointless

[mryoshiyoshi04]

i dont see a difference

[znoozaros]

@mryoshiyoshi04 u will @ close range

[inspeedwetrust]

This is the biggest bullshit ever, I really don't think there were 2 identical spec cards with one of them sporting Dx 11. That performance boost comes from the card itself not the Dx version...

[guerrerocarlos]

did you know, we can only see max. 30 frames per second, with our eyes ? LOL

[dragonrow3]

@guerrerocarlos maybe but when the FPS goes higher then 60+ you can see that its alot faster

[WhiteDragon103]

@guerrerocarlos actually its between 60-100

[kamisakea]

@guerrerocarlos nope it's not 30 frames ;)

[CplCevop]

@guerrerocarlos yes we know dumbass, but our eyes will know if its over 30 because it will be faster gameplay............... FUCKFACE :D

[znoozaros]

@guerrerocarlos it's 60

[meligboy]

why is everyone whining because thay cant see a difrence? why not being happy for free performance boost?

[PivotDXer]

I got a Radeon X700 Series graphics card on my PC

It sucks

:'(

[PivotDXer]

But I have DX11 so it lags when I play a DirectX game

[T3hMarz]

DX9 FTW.

I remember stalker shadow of Chernobyl with Float32. in DX9.

Those graphics were awesome.

I only have Intel 4500mhd graphics and it can barely run it on objects dynamic lighting, but it looked better and ran better than any other DX9 game I have ever seen.

IT ACTUALLY HAD SHADOWS!

that's awesome for intel graphics.seriously. they.suck. :(

[juliocesar24]

With directx 10 you can handle more and better shadows ok, I understand that, BUT with directx 11 nothing, everything can be done with the previous directx versions. Specially desing to be a performance boost? Is that the difference?

[asleeperj]

@juliocesar24 The biggest difference is the addition of tessellation. You get 3 big things with DX11: compute shaders, tessellation shaders and draw/create contexts separation. Setting for setting w/o tessellation you get a performance boost over DX10. Add tessellation and you have a much better picture.

[Endirawr13]

go to my channel for a Battleforge point generator!!!!

[TheTheNightBoy]

need i directx for playing battleforge

[poingi14]

xD dx11 pwns and thats a fact^^

[halowaffles]

I don't see the difference, although numbers are always correct and im new to the wonders of computer gaming XD

[CobraGMW2]

i was playing modern warefare 2 on XP and had a bad performence on Max settings , like 30 fps , now when i buyd Windows 7 it is like 48 FPS amazing , even the visuals are improved . i am getting HD 5770 . btw . if HD 5770 supports DX 11 , waht does it do then?

[MarTuv93]

Yes Radeon HD 5770 supports DX 11 and as you saw in the video you will have higher frame rate if you use DirectX 11.

[stajkarpe]

any radeon 5000 card support dx11 + have 5gen shader version, so ull expierece better visualisation :))

[stromghouls]

if you want to have direct x 11 the only way to go now is a radeon 5000 card. i got a sapphire radeon hd 5970 and it is an awesome card. i used to have a bfg tech gtx 295 wich was also an awesome card.

[desetnik15second]

Well i have hd 5750, i think is mainstream card.

[greatmaster112]

@stromghouls u spent like $900 on a graphics cards, u sad bastard...

[bcKorkaz]

@greatmaster112 Only spent 300 on 5850 and it had direct X 11

[esca8652]

@greatmaster112 maybe he's just got alot of money.

[vonkeonig]

@greatmaster112 not really.... Maybe he is just better off than you.

[greatmaster112]

@vonkeonig Better of as in a faster PC then yeah maybe. better off in terms of wealth, i seriously doubt that.

[vonkeonig]

@greatmaster112 And why is he a sad bastard for spending his money, on the things he wants. Just because he wants the ability to play games on full detail on a high resolution deos not mean he is sad, he just enjoys gaming.

[greatmaster112]

@vonkeonig true..well hes not sad but still :P $900 is alot of money, i would have done something better with it.

[ManiaCfull]

@greatmaster112 699$ fucktard

[AsianInMyPantz]

@greatmaster112 dude nothing wrong with that? people have money... then u better off telling celebrities to stop buying expensive purses for million dollars and donate some cash to ur poor ass.

[AsianInMyPantz]

@greatmaster112 dude, nothing wrong with that? people have money... then you better off telling celebrities to stop buying expensive purses for million dollars and donate some cash to your poor ass.

[TearsOfWar1]

@AsianInMyPantz I want celebrities to donate to me T_T

[blazednlovinit]

@greatmaster112

maybe he has the money to? if i had a tonne of disposable income i'd be a bit frivelous with my hobby.

[Fr3shB0iii]

@greatmaster112 i could make a gaming rig off that much? or even less

[MagixMabinz]

@greatmaster112 If I had the kind of disposable income he has I'd totally get the 5970, however I do not. I did get the savings to buy a new computer with the Raedon HD 5870 Eyefinity though. Best thing ever.

[muddylolster]

@greatmaster112 i got it free with my pc in england

[hacker13sacker]

@muddylolster lucky bastard....why cant the Americans be more lucky. :( lol

[siedlikmasterek]

@stromghouls there is a patch for gtx 295 to have dx 11

[Loche1337]

@siedlikmasterek gtx 295 doesnt have dx11...

[vonkeonig]

@stromghouls The gtx 480 although its expensive, hot, loud.....lol the list of cons geos on, is actually much much faster in engines which use tesselation compared to any of the ati cards. BUT! Only when using tesselation. =] I want a 5970 :*(

[Lalmix]

@stromghouls If you want a directx 11 card nvidia is the way to go. Tessellation is the main feature of directx 11 cards, and ATI failed on tessellation, it performs really bad where tessellation is heavy.

[sqelletor]

@Lalmix nvidia is more expensive and less performance and more overheating

[94XJ]

@sqelletor Since when is 80c full load "over heating" for a GPU? My 9800gx2s often went well above that, 4870x2s did as well. And the single GPU gtx480 outperforms the 5970 on high tesselation gaminig.

My fermis are overclocked to 750mhz core and in my case they hit 75C at full load with the fan at 65% which is just barely louder than my loudest fan (Thermaltake V1 CPU HSF at 75%)

[Gundam00Raiser75]

@94XJ STFU U DAM NVIDIA USER AMD + ATI IS ZA BEST!

[94XJ]

@Gundam00Raiser75 Apologies...I'll stick to hearsay and false claims rather than real world experience and actual numbers comparisons. People would rather think the 480 is running at temperatures far higher than any gpu ever before because some guy made a little piece of meat change colors on a heat pipe...

And everyone forgets that fermis are designed to handle these higher temps without electromigration too.

So yeah..."YAY ATI CUZ NVIDIA IS HOTT N SUX BAWLZ"

[Gundam00Raiser75]

@94XJ

*cof cof

ATI HD 5970 best graphic cards, even being older it totally overflows GTX 480, besides price *cof

[94XJ]

@Gundam00Raiser75 5970s run over $100 more than 480s...and you do realize they have two GPUs in them right? It sure as hell better outperform the 480 otherwise ATi would be in trouble eh? (Kind of like the 4870x2 vs GTX280)

The 5970 is a great single card with DUAL gpus on it...but the fact that on occasion the GTX480 can out perform it under high tesselation loads is impressive.

[johnchen0213]

@stromghouls gtx 460, 465, 470, 480 haves graphics card too

[kevingong]

@stromghouls wtf noob nvidia's Fermi cards are directx11.

[Mcstikman]

@kevingong Why do you feel the need to make a fool of yourself? At the time he said that the fermi cards weren't out yet.

[Marbas777]

i got ati radeon 2400 hd pro, btw where to get DX 11 from?

[schattenphoenix]

In Battleforge the DX11 just helps performance-wise... if ur looking for better graphics, try games, that are made for dx11.

GRID2 for example

[cncmasterw]

DIRT 2 not grid 2

[schattenphoenix]

Im sorry, my mistake...

Youre right.

[Djghost1123]

@Pred124

faster? its only slow if your computer is crap

[HypnoticSuggestion]

Actually the DX10.1 update was all about performance, not visuals. Ask anyone who plays Stalker - Clear Sky or Stalker - Call of Pripyat. The difference is ridiculous.

DX11 performance with Windows 7 and my two 5870's in Crossfire, to this point seems about even, in some cases a small improvement. The drivers need to mature, this is on the developers, "NOT" Microsoft.

Please do not give such.. uninformed advice. I can tell you're not running the newest hardware and OS.

It's sad to see this.

[ignamatador]

people says that DX 11 isnt important, just see this vid

[blackbird309]

I notice a difference when running 1920x1200.

[rax7]

beside FPS, i dont see anything else different.

[rax7]

wow i have this game for a few months. i didnt know this game also supports DX 11.

[kajo8246]

Average and maximum fps tells us about nothing. We need to know, how many fps will have the game in difficult scenes. So, Minimum FPS is important :)))

[idutcher]

So, if i get DX 11 my games will run faster ?

[arvid950]

you need a card that supports dx11 to

[chockonbabe]

@idutcher no

[crimson177]

wait what i was under the impression that dx11 will give you lower fps but better graphics .

[llXeOnll]

@MacTavish77 is not hardware related is sotfware meaning updates will fix minor problems like that

@SlyNine thats the most retarded way to compare software if u ask me.. now to answer you.. NO they do not use diferent hardware to compare software as i said is pretty retarded if u do so or think so they just switch over dx10 and dx11 in the demostration

[CryoShell09]

найди 10 отличий...

ну кроме скорости)

[filleman17]

Battlefield bac company 2 beta was up to 40% slower with DX11

[lordsem1985]

@filleman17 it´s still a beta. there will be performance updates and the full version will even run better then the beta version... omg, it´s a beta and not the full game... it´s a testing version...