desterlu Thank U for your beautiful notice that Yorgo Bacanos was not from Greece!'He bornt in Silivri, a small town near Istanbul, on the 21st September 1900.He was from a Greek-Gypsy family among whose members were musicians'.Yorgo's music does not represent Turks, Greeks or Gypsies but his heart, mind and spirit.From my standpoint, it is very beautiful to combine different cultures, believes or faiths.As greek I learnt at school to love and approve of diversity.I am sure u did the same:0).
Coming soon: Udist in Istanbul are preparing an internationa festival dedicated to Bacanos. It will be held in the fall of 2010. The organizer told me about it directly.
he was Greek and he composed Classical Ottoman music.There was also Marco Tsolakoglou,Sherif Muhiddin Targan,Tomboullis,and many many others.Other Greeks were Petrakis,Zaharia,Nikolakis,Tzortzis,all great Composers.Also Turks like Cemil Bey,the great master of Tanbur and classical kemence.
stop it. no pure race, no pure culture, we r more things sharing with greeks than the others. he is same value for me as ercuament batanay n others. rest in peace ustad. noone ll forget you
Why does he have to be "greek-gypsy"...was Mustafa Kemal Atatürk a "Turk-gypsy" because he was born in Thessaloniki? We were all Ottaman's once and we lived together in peace...do not let politicians cloud our minds...we have more in common than we do differences ..Greeks were born in "Turkey" and Turks were born in "Greece"...what does it really matter anymore...we share the same mountains, seas, food and music...let the politicians all go drown for all I care...let us enjoy the music !!!!
What desturlu meant was not gypsy in a derogatory sense, but that Bacanos descended from Rom gypsies.
The reason why everybody's always fighting about all these talented people and "to whom they and their music belong" (as if that were even possible!), is because all of our countries don't mean shit nowadays, but instead of doing what we can to make it better, we keep throwing cow dung at eachother, fighting over past glories that were not even our property to begin with.
@FabianPhilippoussis You are an idiot. We did not live in peace. Do you call peace at the point of a sword peace? Peace through oppression? Dont be an idiot.
@desturlu i did not see what this post responds to, but i can imagine .
it may not be accurate exactly to call this "turkish" music; wouldnt that moniker more accurately go to saz and tambour music from anatolia?
istanbuli music by defintiion is built upon foundations of byzantine, arab, and persian musics, with additions from armenian, greek, jewish, and turkish elements. ?
i mean this certainly sounds quite different musically from the anotolian turkish stuff, like azik veysel, etc.
@TheSemperfidoc exactly my point, sir. turkish music is folk music. classical music of the ottoman period is "ottoman empire "music, which by its very definition is formed from multiple influences, not the least of which are persian and arab, but also greek, armenian, jewish, kurdish. the turks are a particular ethnic group, but this music does not belong to them any more than european classical music could be called german or english. (not an exact analogy).
@sukkot54 ukkot54 all that and more......that is why music speaks to everyone...yorgo, his brother aleko, udi hrant, kemani tatyos, sebuh, bimen sen, kemani serkis, astik to mention only few.... greatly influenced by those
before them to influence those after them--may that never stop.......
@TheSemperfidoc inshallah. anyway i was just responding to some turkish nationalist's post. all ethnic groups are mixes of ethnic groups, esp when it comes to music, maybe all the more balkan and ottoman.
@dioskouros1957 what does it mater where he comes from.. he was a great human been.. greek .. turkish.. palestinian.. who cares?? listen to the music may bee you will become a beter person...
Beautiful. Where is the recording of this Taksim from? This is not the Rast one on the recordings of Traditional Crossroads. (The first picture of the CD label you have there.) Thank you.
Ustad su an Taksim Ayia Triyada Rum Kilisesinde seni ugurlamay geldigim gunu hatirladim tabiki cok kucukdum yasac merhum Ustad Udi Hrant ile hepiniz gittiniz kadir Senclar lar Allah hepnizin ruhunu saad etsin anilariniz eserleriniz biz muzik severle tarafindan hep sevgi saygi ile dinleneckler rahat uyuyunuz topraginiz hafif olsun,,,
Çokta çakmam bu işlerden, ama tahminimce her udi kendi stiliyle diğerlerinden ayrılır. Yani herkes kendi dalında üstündür, farkını bu şekilde ortaya koyar. Nevres Bey, Şerif Muhiddin Targan, Yorgo Bacanos, Mehmed Fahri Kopuz üstatların hepsi iyidir. Dinlediğim için şükür ediyorum. Ud çalmak istediğim bir enstrüman. Saygılar, sevgiler
müzik müziktir müzikte ırkcılık olmaz adamı sevmiyor olabilirsiniz ama yaptıgı işe saygı duymalısınız şimdi madem ırkcılık yapıyorsunuz ozaman 50cent yada don omar dinlemiyormusunuz lütfen müzige bu türlü bakmayalım
burada irkcilik yapmak hic hos olmuyor hele medeniyim diyen yunanlilara hic avrupaya girdiniz zaten artik yunan yok tek ulke oldunuz ama biz turkuz ne olacak turkiye sinirlari icinde doganlarin hepside turktur bu kadar biz irkci degiliz bu muzik ya evrenseldir bunu boyle dinleyin eskileri unutun ayrildiniz yeni sanatcilar uretin
how come no one in the middle east, turks, kurds, arabs , farsever made a name for himself or herself in world music. look at the great asians in he world music scene.
backward like in all other areas. only talks. tlsk is cheap.
Bacanos was born and died a Turkish citizen. What matters most is that he was an absolutely magnificent Oud player, not his "blood Line", or his citizenship. I am a Greek, but the truth is the truth.
Yorgos is a great Ut player my family knew him he was Greek just like millions of people under the Ottoman empire but he was a gift to our culture Greek or Turkish I remember when I was growing up in Istanbul listening to Yorgos at the TRT, I was so proud having a Greek playing on the Turkish radio unfortunatelly things changeg.
Yorgo is a turkish name? Bacanos too? hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha its like telling a turk that Emre yilmaz is a greek name.... both of his parents were greek...they didnt want to left the asian minor after the conquest of the asian part of greece...
So it is better to listen Yorgo Bacanos, the greatest ud player. He was christian with a Greek name. He lived in Instabul. He played the oud, an arabic instrument that came to Instabul only in the the late 1800! So stop fighting. Bacanos is Bacanos. He was a musician.
Half of the "Greek" were killed during the war that took place in 1922 and the rest came as refugees in Greece.
The ottoman empire was a multinational state. Modern Turkey is not the "follower" of ottoman empire. Infact the modern Turkey doesn't want to have any relation with the Sultan and the ottomans. But they keep all the culture of them as theirs. The ottoman culture was a unique mixture of civilasations, which ofcourse rose by force and war. But this is another subject.
Most of the comments are turkish which I don't understand. From the emglish comnts I understand that the Turks claim he was a Turk. The historical fact is that before 1920, 2 - 3 million cristians were living in Anatolia, who called them selves "Greek" and many other nations, cristian or not who didn't call them selves "Greek".
"Yorgo Bacanos Ermenidir, fakat Türk Kültürü icinde yogrulmustur" Müzik Tarihinin gördüyü en büyük Udidir,böylesi gelmedi bir daha,saygilarimla (Almanya)
çünkü bir kültür dairesinde yetişen insanlar o yönde eserler verirler, osmanlı multikültürel idi, onun için de kafalarının içaçıları bize göre daha büyüktü. cinuçen tnrıkorur nasıl bizimse, yorgo bacanos da bizimdir. hatta verdiğim misal bile abesle iştigal.
ben o zaman dogmamistim dogru!peki sen?o zaman mi dogmustun!ne önemi varki milliyetinin!ben sana türkiyeden bir cok yorgo denginde udi ismi siralayabilirim!bunu sen yapabilirmisin?onunla iyi bir udi oldugu icin ilgileniyorum rum oldugu icin degil.milliyetini de asagilamiyorum cünki ÖYLE BIR KOMPLEKSIM YOK!
evet rum asillidir kendisi dogrudur ama ud,u yunan asilli oldugu icin degil türkiyede dogup büyüdügü ve osmnli müziginden etkilendigi icin böyle calabiliyor!Neden yunanistanda böyle ud calanlar cikmiyor o zaman?
So, 'Yiorgo' is now a Turkish name? It is no longer Greek for 'George'....interesting....and 'bacanos' is also Turkish? Wow! You folks not only change/deny history....you change the ethnicity of people to suit your purposes,,,,,,,
hes a greek gypsie....he has got greek blood not turkish mate..... why do u deny his ethnicy....just accept that the best oud player in turkey is greek.....
Be respectful and listen to his music that sounds so much better than some scratchy voices. Thanks for sharing.
VieiraAlin 9 months ago
Bu adam bi acayip yaw.Şimdi bu adamın yolunda giden sadece Yurdal Tokcan var.Allah sayılarını artırsın.
soyleramazan 9 months ago
i believe noone here heard the millet system
wictoragazade 10 months ago
Ευτυχώς που υπάρχει και αυτή η τουρκική KALAN γιατί αν περιμέναμε ν'ακούσουμε απ τις δικές μας εταιρίες.........
Neyse ki, Türk KALAN var biz kendi şirketlerinin duymak için bekledim çünkü eğer .........
UnCan71 11 months ago
Meşhur selmek taksim
udcuu 11 months ago
desterlu Thank U for your beautiful notice that Yorgo Bacanos was not from Greece!'He bornt in Silivri, a small town near Istanbul, on the 21st September 1900.He was from a Greek-Gypsy family among whose members were musicians'.Yorgo's music does not represent Turks, Greeks or Gypsies but his heart, mind and spirit.From my standpoint, it is very beautiful to combine different cultures, believes or faiths.As greek I learnt at school to love and approve of diversity.I am sure u did the same:0).
GloballyArtistic 1 year ago 2
yorgo bacanos was one of the last ottomans. end of discussion.
wictoragazade 1 year ago
@wictoragazade
r there many ottomans called Yiorgos??? how blind and dead can u be..?
misusel 1 year ago
Just his name's Greek, but the music is completely, pure, narive, unique Turkish Classical Music.
egmoegmo 1 year ago
Dostlar sağola
rota10ramazan 1 year ago
Giorgos Batzanos was born in 1900 in Silivria on Eastern Thrace he is Greek. He also played the piano.
trixorod 1 year ago
Giorgos Batzanos was born in 1900 in Silivria on Eastern Thrace he is Greek. He also played the piano.
trixorod 1 year ago
turk sanaat musikisinin yuzaki ustalarindandir bence topragi bol olsun ne guze boyle anilmak
haydabere 1 year ago
Coming soon: Udist in Istanbul are preparing an internationa festival dedicated to Bacanos. It will be held in the fall of 2010. The organizer told me about it directly.
Keep tuned.
topraka 2 years ago
Cok tesekkur ederim
nostalgiahistoria67 2 years ago
selmek
nimhisar 2 years ago
Mahur makamı üstadım mahur
soyleramazan 2 years ago
Şahane!
klaaswr 2 years ago
i don't care about his roots, but it's a pitty that greek goverment etc has forgot him ,as all the other similar composers of Istanbul before him.
hragelop 2 years ago
Aman Allahim,bu nasil icra?
sivasligokay 2 years ago
is this makam rast?
daos87 2 years ago
only rast
bouzoukleri 2 years ago
I think, he is a greek who made wonderful turkish classical music : ).
Agathogatos 2 years ago
he was Greek and he composed Classical Ottoman music.There was also Marco Tsolakoglou,Sherif Muhiddin Targan,Tomboullis,and many many others.Other Greeks were Petrakis,Zaharia,Nikolakis,Tzortzis,all great Composers.Also Turks like Cemil Bey,the great master of Tanbur and classical kemence.
myrinousios 2 years ago
stop it. no pure race, no pure culture, we r more things sharing with greeks than the others. he is same value for me as ercuament batanay n others. rest in peace ustad. noone ll forget you
lgboy26 2 years ago
yorgo nun kim oldugundan ne oldugundan ziyade su güzel musikiyi nasil icra ettigi önemli,dinlemesi müthis bir zevk,zirve sanatcidir kendisi...
alperenyar 2 years ago 2
yorgo bacasos was from greece dont forget this and hi was one of the best player
dioskouros1957 2 years ago
he was not from greece. he was a greek-gypsy genius from istanbul whose native language was turkish. and importantly what he made was turkish music.
desturlu 2 years ago 2
Why does he have to be "greek-gypsy"...was Mustafa Kemal Atatürk a "Turk-gypsy" because he was born in Thessaloniki? We were all Ottaman's once and we lived together in peace...do not let politicians cloud our minds...we have more in common than we do differences ..Greeks were born in "Turkey" and Turks were born in "Greece"...what does it really matter anymore...we share the same mountains, seas, food and music...let the politicians all go drown for all I care...let us enjoy the music !!!!
FabianPhilippoussis 2 years ago 23
@FabianPhilippoussis bravo!! i aggre whith you
doctoraladin 9 months ago
@FabianPhilippoussis
What desturlu meant was not gypsy in a derogatory sense, but that Bacanos descended from Rom gypsies.
The reason why everybody's always fighting about all these talented people and "to whom they and their music belong" (as if that were even possible!), is because all of our countries don't mean shit nowadays, but instead of doing what we can to make it better, we keep throwing cow dung at eachother, fighting over past glories that were not even our property to begin with.
arsene737 8 months ago
@FabianPhilippoussis You are an idiot. We did not live in peace. Do you call peace at the point of a sword peace? Peace through oppression? Dont be an idiot.
AegeanKing 1 month ago
@desturlu i did not see what this post responds to, but i can imagine .
it may not be accurate exactly to call this "turkish" music; wouldnt that moniker more accurately go to saz and tambour music from anatolia?
istanbuli music by defintiion is built upon foundations of byzantine, arab, and persian musics, with additions from armenian, greek, jewish, and turkish elements. ?
i mean this certainly sounds quite different musically from the anotolian turkish stuff, like azik veysel, etc.
sukkot54 1 year ago
@sukkot54 the music you are talking about is called "folk music"
TheSemperfidoc 1 year ago
@TheSemperfidoc exactly my point, sir. turkish music is folk music. classical music of the ottoman period is "ottoman empire "music, which by its very definition is formed from multiple influences, not the least of which are persian and arab, but also greek, armenian, jewish, kurdish. the turks are a particular ethnic group, but this music does not belong to them any more than european classical music could be called german or english. (not an exact analogy).
sukkot54 1 year ago
@sukkot54 ukkot54 all that and more......that is why music speaks to everyone...yorgo, his brother aleko, udi hrant, kemani tatyos, sebuh, bimen sen, kemani serkis, astik to mention only few.... greatly influenced by those
before them to influence those after them--may that never stop.......
TheSemperfidoc 1 year ago
@TheSemperfidoc inshallah. anyway i was just responding to some turkish nationalist's post. all ethnic groups are mixes of ethnic groups, esp when it comes to music, maybe all the more balkan and ottoman.
cheers. i am sicilian, btw.
sukkot54 1 year ago
@sukkot54 re: "sukkot" sefardi?
TheSemperfidoc 1 year ago
@desturlu Turkish music?? Idiot, the oud is not a turkish instrument. The Oud dates back thousands of years even before the Roman Empire.
AegeanKing 11 months ago
@AegeanKing desturlu didn't say oud is a turkish instrument but the music played on the oud in this video is turkish...idiot.
nyhyl 1 month ago
@desturlu lol...explain me please...what is "turkish music" ?
lefterhsk1 1 month ago
@dioskouros1957 what does it mater where he comes from.. he was a great human been.. greek .. turkish.. palestinian.. who cares?? listen to the music may bee you will become a beter person...
doctoraladin 9 months ago
@dioskouros1957
Moron!
ercumenta 8 months ago
Beautiful. Where is the recording of this Taksim from? This is not the Rast one on the recordings of Traditional Crossroads. (The first picture of the CD label you have there.) Thank you.
rbandaz 3 years ago
dick heads, greek or turkish, listen music and learn something.
geceyarisikovboyu 3 years ago 31
This music never played at arabia and persia. this is just "turkish" music.
yaaydn 3 years ago
what? this tunes r played all over greece arabia turkey and persia..... u just have no clue...
SonicBlunt 3 years ago 2
Ustad su an Taksim Ayia Triyada Rum Kilisesinde seni ugurlamay geldigim gunu hatirladim tabiki cok kucukdum yasac merhum Ustad Udi Hrant ile hepiniz gittiniz kadir Senclar lar Allah hepnizin ruhunu saad etsin anilariniz eserleriniz biz muzik severle tarafindan hep sevgi saygi ile dinleneckler rahat uyuyunuz topraginiz hafif olsun,,,
Bolisetsi 4 years ago 3
Çokta çakmam bu işlerden, ama tahminimce her udi kendi stiliyle diğerlerinden ayrılır. Yani herkes kendi dalında üstündür, farkını bu şekilde ortaya koyar. Nevres Bey, Şerif Muhiddin Targan, Yorgo Bacanos, Mehmed Fahri Kopuz üstatların hepsi iyidir. Dinlediğim için şükür ediyorum. Ud çalmak istediğim bir enstrüman. Saygılar, sevgiler
itaatsiz 4 years ago
müzik müziktir müzikte ırkcılık olmaz adamı sevmiyor olabilirsiniz ama yaptıgı işe saygı duymalısınız şimdi madem ırkcılık yapıyorsunuz ozaman 50cent yada don omar dinlemiyormusunuz lütfen müzige bu türlü bakmayalım
F1N9R07 4 years ago
don't argue my friends
let's listen this perfection and protect it.
if we continue arguing,then we cant hear the music properly with our heart.
carsancak 4 years ago 2
burada irkcilik yapmak hic hos olmuyor hele medeniyim diyen yunanlilara hic avrupaya girdiniz zaten artik yunan yok tek ulke oldunuz ama biz turkuz ne olacak turkiye sinirlari icinde doganlarin hepside turktur bu kadar biz irkci degiliz bu muzik ya evrenseldir bunu boyle dinleyin eskileri unutun ayrildiniz yeni sanatcilar uretin
ushatj 4 years ago
how come no one in the middle east, turks, kurds, arabs , farsever made a name for himself or herself in world music. look at the great asians in he world music scene.
backward like in all other areas. only talks. tlsk is cheap.
jsalehi 4 years ago
Ha Yunan Ha Turk ne farkeder guzel caliyor dinlenmeye deger onemli olan bu diyilmi ?
Saydinli 4 years ago 4
Great technical skill
8R8A8H8 4 years ago
Actually it is not not important whether he is greek or not.The important thing is that,this is TURKISH music not greek.;)
drtrudi 4 years ago
we got oud maqams and so on too....this kind of music is played all across the eastern mediterranean arabia and persia also!
SonicBlunt 4 years ago
this one is turkish school obviously.
RnaAlex 4 years ago
Bacanos was born and died a Turkish citizen. What matters most is that he was an absolutely magnificent Oud player, not his "blood Line", or his citizenship. I am a Greek, but the truth is the truth.
tassos54 4 years ago 3
Yorgos is a great Ut player my family knew him he was Greek just like millions of people under the Ottoman empire but he was a gift to our culture Greek or Turkish I remember when I was growing up in Istanbul listening to Yorgos at the TRT, I was so proud having a Greek playing on the Turkish radio unfortunatelly things changeg.
ChrysosGreek 4 years ago
gami8ite koloturki...
SonicBlunt 4 years ago
Yorgo is a turkish name? Bacanos too? hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha its like telling a turk that Emre yilmaz is a greek name.... both of his parents were greek...they didnt want to left the asian minor after the conquest of the asian part of greece...
SonicBlunt 4 years ago
So it is better to listen Yorgo Bacanos, the greatest ud player. He was christian with a Greek name. He lived in Instabul. He played the oud, an arabic instrument that came to Instabul only in the the late 1800! So stop fighting. Bacanos is Bacanos. He was a musician.
matlazarid 4 years ago
Half of the "Greek" were killed during the war that took place in 1922 and the rest came as refugees in Greece.
The ottoman empire was a multinational state. Modern Turkey is not the "follower" of ottoman empire. Infact the modern Turkey doesn't want to have any relation with the Sultan and the ottomans. But they keep all the culture of them as theirs. The ottoman culture was a unique mixture of civilasations, which ofcourse rose by force and war. But this is another subject.
matlazarid 4 years ago
Most of the comments are turkish which I don't understand. From the emglish comnts I understand that the Turks claim he was a Turk. The historical fact is that before 1920, 2 - 3 million cristians were living in Anatolia, who called them selves "Greek" and many other nations, cristian or not who didn't call them selves "Greek".
matlazarid 4 years ago
>>many other nations, cristian or not who didn't call >>them selves "Greek".
Excuse me. I wanted to write
"many other nations, cristian or not who didn't call them selves "Turks"".
matlazarid 4 years ago
pardon Rum tabiiki,fakat Istanbulda yasamistir ve tartisilmaz en büyük udidir... ( SANA MINNETARIZ YORGO BACANOS)
ghkrjo 4 years ago
greek or turkish, whats the difference? if u r feeling the same emotion when u r listening...
eğer dinlerken aynı şeyleri hissediyorsan yunan veya türk olması neyi değiştirir. saçmalamayalım
maprukas 4 years ago 4
Asagida yazildigi gibi rum asillidir kendisi ermeni degil!
araname 4 years ago
"Yorgo Bacanos Ermenidir, fakat Türk Kültürü icinde yogrulmustur" Müzik Tarihinin gördüyü en büyük Udidir,böylesi gelmedi bir daha,saygilarimla (Almanya)
ghkrjo 4 years ago
çünkü bir kültür dairesinde yetişen insanlar o yönde eserler verirler, osmanlı multikültürel idi, onun için de kafalarının içaçıları bize göre daha büyüktü. cinuçen tnrıkorur nasıl bizimse, yorgo bacanos da bizimdir. hatta verdiğim misal bile abesle iştigal.
kekeme123a 4 years ago
üstad çok hızlı çalıyor udu yahu.
itaatsiz 4 years ago
sonra, "hanede"ne demek?hanende,mi demek istemistin(!)
araname 4 years ago
ben o zaman dogmamistim dogru!peki sen?o zaman mi dogmustun!ne önemi varki milliyetinin!ben sana türkiyeden bir cok yorgo denginde udi ismi siralayabilirim!bunu sen yapabilirmisin?onunla iyi bir udi oldugu icin ilgileniyorum rum oldugu icin degil.milliyetini de asagilamiyorum cünki ÖYLE BIR KOMPLEKSIM YOK!
araname 4 years ago
Giorgos bacanos 1900 ooo you where borned in 1900 and you know him and you know his cousin too? Do you know zaharia hanede? Is he turkish too?
cpolitop 4 years ago
he is originally greek, but was born and grow up in turkey.
kekeme123a 4 years ago
evet rum asillidir kendisi dogrudur ama ud,u yunan asilli oldugu icin degil türkiyede dogup büyüdügü ve osmnli müziginden etkilendigi icin böyle calabiliyor!Neden yunanistanda böyle ud calanlar cikmiyor o zaman?
araname 4 years ago
harika...listen to ORHAN GENCEBAY...
lalamali 4 years ago
respect man (nikosqt)
georgegleek 4 years ago
So, 'Yiorgo' is now a Turkish name? It is no longer Greek for 'George'....interesting....and 'bacanos' is also Turkish? Wow! You folks not only change/deny history....you change the ethnicity of people to suit your purposes,,,,,,,
nikosgt 4 years ago
Bizlere yol gösteren emsalsiz icraların için sonsuz teşekürler.Nur içinde yat Yorgo bacanos...
stylusss 4 years ago
Bizlere yol gösteren emsalsiz icraların için sana minnettarız.Nur içinde yat sevgili Yorgo Bacanos...
stylusss 4 years ago
tüğlerim diken diken
webmaster66 5 years ago
he is from a greek family ,but a turkish man who makes turkish music...
tevfikemreg 5 years ago
He was a greek-gypsy from silivria like his cousin the great kemence player lambros leontaridis
TUXEDOMOON57 5 years ago
Türk veya Rum olduğu için değil ,virtiöz olduğu için Yorgo yu seyrediyoruz ve en önemlisi dinliyoruz.
cyrono 5 years ago
he is TÜRK.
hopeless123 5 years ago
you are really hopeless, arent you? stop calling everyone turk.
thepopeshitsinthewoo 4 years ago
hes a greek gypsie....he has got greek blood not turkish mate..... why do u deny his ethnicy....just accept that the best oud player in turkey is greek.....
SonicBlunt 4 years ago
not greek...he is turkish
buzdom 5 years ago
greek
poundas 5 years ago