Occupy New Hampshire Protester Takes Romney to Task for Declaring "Corporations Are People"

[demammoet]

He is SOO full of shit, a corporation is NOT made up of people working for the glory of the collective as he states.

A corporation is a legal entity OWNED by the shareholders, it may have people in it working.

But these are COMPLETELY disempowered people disconnected from any decision making forced to take orders in a tyrannical institution they have 0 control over.

So yes a corporation is not person, it is a rich man's plaything and the 401k is a horrible pension method made for the shareholder

[dominique62dw]

Ask yourself the question, If your company was owned by 1 of 2 people, Romney or Pres. Obama,& you would go on THEIR record dealing with companies,

"who would you trust to NOT SELL-OFF your firm, reap millions & lay-off ALL in your firm ONLY to get cash vs.FIXING & "EXPANDING" a firm & make money by SMART business decisions & tactics for SUCCESSFUL business?"

my guess, you'll agree, Pres. Obama is trustworthy, NOT FLIP-FLOPPER "Willard" ROMNEY who will say anything to be "a" President.

[dominique62dw]

I agree with much thats been said, including notes from upsetDavid & nemy009. Notice how Romney DODGES/loses original question by getting wrapped up in details?

He Never answers the question about corp's are not people, only says they're made up of people.He NEVER REALIZES corp's can PAY workers MORE or HIRE more people.he never hires,only downsizes,sells off &collapses corp's,reaping profits from sale, which has trickle effect,squashing OTHER Co's who rely on original firm he CLOSES!

[teabaggersblow]

Which Wall Street rat took the shit that republican politicians were blossomed from? Sounds like mumbo jumbo with a real need to offshore assets if you ever get rich enough to throw your money to some Swiss bankster. Time for all republican shitstains to go to the back of the line and stop rewriting history.

[Pteromandias]

It is impractical to apply the same rules of liability, debt, ownership, and other legalities to possibly millions of people separately. So a sort of shell, an umbrella concept emerges, the corporate personhood. This is a way for a large group of people who have pooled their resources to interact with other parts of a legal framework. There is nothing sinister about it. No one is taking clay and animating it. It's just a way of streamlining legal issues.

[Pteromandias]

So, let's say you're out driving, and a deliver truck from Ed's Bakery backs into you and damages your car. Well, Ed is the sole owner. He is liable. But what if it is a delivery truck for Sunshine? It has hundreds of thousands of owners, including people who have pensions and are not even aware that they are owners. And those people are constantly changing. Who is liable? Do you go after the shareholders? Which ones? Seconds after the accident, a bunch of shares may have changed hands.

[Pteromandias]

For one, legal personhood doesn't imbue something with life. No matter what, at the heart of it, there are still people. A corporation doesn't have a life of its own. So why do you need this concept? Because of what a corporation is. It is a form of organization where millions of people can participate in ownership, and where people can routinely and easily enter or exit that ownership. This makes a lot of legal issues much harder to deal with than if it were a sole proprietorship.

[Pteromandias]

What the vast majority of you are failing to grasp, and even Amy Goodman does this, is that Romney isn't talking about *corporate personhood*. You guys are all acting like he is. All he is doing is making the otherwise unremarkable point that only humans can engage in human activity, no matter what labels and abstractions we use.

But there's another matter too, and it's this bizarre paranoia about the legal personhood of corporations, and there seems to be a lot of misconceptions about it.

[adameater]

Wow, nice answer!

Go Romney!

[aubreyfarmer]

If corporations are people, then the next war to be fought should be fought by the corporations and leave the rest of us out of it. You watch. The draft is going to be revived for the benefit of the corporations. The time is fast approaching when the government will no longer be able to fool enough people into enlisting but that will not stop the warmongers.

[aubreyfarmer]

Citizens United decision by the Supreme Court was the final straw that will break the camel's back. Now there is nothing stopping corporations from fixing every election and using Congress like a bunch of whores.

[biozamadotcom]

It's backwards, actually. People are incorporated. The bonds on 'em are then sold and traded like they are slaves. Something to do with your birth certificate creating your straw man, an incorporated version of yourself that the powerful people merely play with like you are 1 card in a deck. The Sovereignty movement people can explain it better but you are a corporation and so is the USA which is why Constitution does not apply.

[puppetjaw]

1:18 the answer should have been "big corporate profits, finance big government lobbyists" and when corporations are classified as "people" they can spend "their" money wherever "they" like - Therefore corporations can influence government - that's facism

[SavannahsRUs]

Transform ALL corporations into publicly owned co-ops.

[nash0815]

What a con artist. If america votes for romney, they vote for big business and big banks.

Make your choice.

[MagicKirin]

@nash0815

Its also pro small business and anti Labor Union crime families.

So yes I support Romney and have nothing for contempt for the racist anti-semetic members of OWS

[ThePatriotMuckraker]

So corporations are not a single entity, but a "collection" of people. This whole concept of corporations as a "person" is just another in a long litany of scams by these sociopaths. Corporations are as much people as my computer or a pair of sunglasses. This romney is just another piece of feculent slime traitor signing his death warrant.

[nemy009]

Keyword here is "could".

Romney: "When a business has profit it COULD do good things."

The problem is they don't. As a matter of fact there are incentives for them to do bad things, to America that is. Like outsourcing manufacturing to other countries where they CAN pay the laborers slave wages, thus increasing their profits. Or, how about deliberately designing products to fail, so that you have to buy the same damn thing over and over again (i.e. planned obsolescence).

Romney = stooge

[Pteromandias]

@nemy009 Slave wages? I guess you didn't notice that nice little built-in contradiction there. You assclowns had your little "slave wage" morality play in Bangladesh and we saw how that played out. It was great for the pedophile industry, by the way.

The problem with you people is you assume that if not for those "slave wages" there would be a nice middle class job waiting for them.

[upsetDavid]

Did you notice he never mentioned that the profits could go toward higher wages for the workers

[Pteromandias]

@upsetDavid They do go to higher wages, when higher wages are needed to retain those workers. But it doesn't make sense to pay someone more than their labor is worth.

[upsetDavid]

@Pteromandias So what determines their worth? The lowest amount you can pay someone to get them to do the job? So we should get rid of the minimum wage and all forms of social welfare so people will have to work just to keep from starving, and laborers can live like they do in Indonesia or in the US 100 years ago, so those with the wealth can horde even more of it.

[ACIMessentials]

let me see if i have understood this correctly...

individuals' contributions to politicians are limited,

but when they join together as corporate employees or stockholders,

they can contribute an unlimited amount to candidates.

therefore one benefit of being affiliated with a corporation

is that you can influence a politician more than a simple human.

corporate lobbyists also unfairly influence politicians.

i vote NO on "corporations as persons" & NO on lobbying.

[LifeStyleOverDosed]

McCain the guy thats the forerunner of the NDAA supports this guy yah?!?!?

Yah I guess i'm voting Ron Paul...

[tcdowning666]

@LifeStyleOverDosed I'm voting Michael Moore

[4444est1]

I don't understand why the most powerful country in the world can't produce a leader who isn't a half retarded, scum bag, religious moron who doesn't know their brain from a pile of dog shit!

But then, if we did produce one, he/she would never be elected by the American people who consist mostly of half retarded, scum bag, religious morons who think they live in a free country. Grow up people.

[TheBenCK1]

@KingdomofGeorgia1 I don't understand the conservative argument here. Corporations are controlled by people who have generally absolute control over where capital goes. So, they put it in their pockets. Why not? Most people would do the same thing. Capital doesn't go to create more jobs for people, it goes to the bottom line for the company to please the shareholders and into the pockets of the decisionmakers. DEMAND creates jobs, not more money to fewer and fewer people. THAT is Economics 101.

[DaddyHatchable]

*shoots self in fayse*

[KingdomofGeorgia1]

I am suprised many Americans/protesters do not understand about corporate business and economy. I listened to this two days ago. It looks like Business 101 or Economics 101 class.

Romney should be a professor, he explained so well that many professors do not teach basic things like pension plans, IRA, 401K . I think, all American citizens should study Economics/Business 101. It is good to improve themselves, so politicans like Obama can't deceive you next time and protesters would not waste time

[Rivernaut]

Next: New motto for U.S. currency: "In Corporations We Trust"!

[Zaphod23]

If corporations are people, then they're serial killers. We were lied to about needing to move so much of our industry to cheaper countries. Germany is doing fine, and they didn't sell out their workers. And now corporations are refusing to comeback or even to invest in the US. The political response is then to turn America into China. Bonkers! Also, our obvious Wall St. corruption is bringing down our reputation of being a good place to do business. Hang some bankers, and confidence will rise.

[rolovolo]

How come having Mcain endorse Romney is supposed to help his Establishment fellow?

Is like trying to put out a fire by bringing more logs!.....

[rolovolo]

The fusion of Government and Corporations, by definition: FASCISM.

Bush=Obama=Romney=Santorum, Establishment war profiteers.

[rolovolo]

Any human left, that is not yet a MSM zombie,

will vote for Ron Paul.

If Integrity/Honesty/Liberty still means something for Americans

they will vote for him.

If not......just google "FEMA Camps",

....not just a crazy 'conspiracy' anymore huh?...

Are SOPA and NDAA a conspiracies also?...just google them ...

[Stefan556]

@rolovolo Ron Paul is a far right extremist who is a slave of big corporations.

[rolovolo]

Dr. Ron Paul=Integrity/Liberty/Honesty­/Peace/Fearlessness

Obama=Bush/Romney/Santorum/wal­lstreet/establishment/wars

The most stupid thing I've ever heard in my life is that RP is racist or a danger for the USA.

RP is a danger for the corrupt establishment.

The Republicans would rather Obama to win before Ron Paul.

They are shit scared of RP...

Ron Paul vs ZION (Romney/Santorum/Bachman/Gingr­ich/Bush/Obama/Bernake)

[pacmink21]

@rolovolo Ron Paul is for privatizing everything. He would have us live in an Ayn Rand novel.

[AndrewMann552]

Excellent challenge to that clown Romney. But it would be nice to see Occupy protesters also challenge Obama with hard questions.

[chi11aug]

Corporation are not accountable for fraud, pollution, defective products ect.. But god forbid I break a law I am very accountable, how do you put a logo in jail? You cant & thats the point

[amzuel420]

I don't care so much that he called corporations people...what pisses me off is that they call "people" corporations. That's why you have a SS number, pay taxes and have a driver's license. And guess what? They OWN YOU.

[amzuel420]

@liderlider Looks like they removed your comment but I got it in my email. My question you is: Do you think that the U.S. is the only one that's pushing for a NWO? Do you think Germany, France, Italy, Greece and the others have nothing to do with it?

[tangledweb79]

Mitt Romney is challenged. He needs a helmet doesn't he?

[HerbalJah]

RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL! Ron Paul would kick out the evilness in gov't in the first day of his presidency.

[Stefan556]

@HerbalJah Ron Paul would make the corporations more powerful and the rich will get richer and the poor get poorer. The real job creators are not the big corporations. It's the small businesses who create jobs.

[HerbalJah]

@Stefan556 Oh, ok Stefan, are you sure you didn't mean to say "The real job creators are not corporations but the GOVERNMENT! merrr i am going to go live in a park with 99% homeless people that really don't give a shit about anything but the free food" lol your ridiculous, go back to your job at The Feminist bookstore in the tv show Portlandia... lol you know i am right.

[Stefan556]

@HerbalJah So if you think that thegovernment creaates to many jobs then start being less bloodthirsty and war loving and reduce your military. By tha way, feminist biikstores usually don't hire males, so I can't work there.

[spankeyssnakehut]

@Stefan556 you can't spell, how do you expect to be taken seriously? Also, you contradict yourself by saying that we need to reduce war and military expenditures whilst saying that Ron Paul is "a slave of big corporations". Ron Paul intends to cut military spending and reduce big government, therefore ending corporate bailouts. For true freedom and a Constitutional America, vote for Ron Paul. Its a good idea to look at who supports candidates as well, Paul is not backed by corporations...

[tempraryable]

@HerbalJah hahaha you are funny. ron paul is a pro corporation racist

[godnmyhands]

i am all about a $1 million a year income cap.

[majorkeybaree]

corporations are legal entities that have infected everyone.Nice jeans n belt.

[Paultootall1971]

McCain, the mastermind pervert behind the NDAA...well one of the mouthpieces, endorsing this pervert shoukd alert all of you americans, surely. Here in other parts of the world we can see whats going on.... please wake um america, put some sense back in your country, drop kick this pervert out of the park.

[Julia52421]

Blah, blah,blah what a load of bullshit Romney! You don't even make any sense,anyone with a mind that functions at all knows that.Are people really so stupid they would vote for someone like that.Don't bother answering I know they are and Americans aren't the only people who get sucked in by bullshitting pokiticians There is no hope for humanity unless they wake to themsleves and start learning how to practise genuine ethic and integrity in their public and private lives.

[Julia52421]

@Julia52421 my comment continued ; Instead of people spouting and believing and thinking that a return to the predominance of the fantasy image fairy tale of the nuclear family Mum ,Dad and kids and appealling peoples emotions by dangling the myth of this as a solution; the props without any substance.Again wake up people ,engage your minds and get honest with your selves if you are capable of it.

[tyonker]

So start your own Corporation and pay people what is fair, and quit bellyaching! End of story!

[highway234]

goddamn that's some seriously tortured horseshit on romney's part. so every organization that has people in it becomes a person by extension? that's the craziest idea i've ever heard in my life. by that "reasoning," unions and government are also "people" with free speech rights, and i doubt romney would ever agree to THAT.

[dwdeclare]

mitt is full of shitt. "i wanna make america a place where those corporations who have that money decide to invest here". the only way these companies are going to invest here, is if they have the kind of cheap labor they are getting overseas. and of course, that's what they're trying to accomplish by getting rid of workers' rights to collectively bargain. it's high time the workers themselves take over the surplus they produce & move beyond capitalism toward a more fair & equitable arrangement.

[MBaxtonM]

Romney's still missing the point. Corperations make profits and distribute it accordingly, but they make the profits that they do by not paying the workers a fair wage or by providing health care.

[mynameis677]

1:42 absolutely right. And Rob Wiseman was absolutely right. Bang on the money.

[progresIVOMind]

Did he just double down on his bullshit??

[paulcoonan]

1 + 1 = 1

How many times must Romney explain this until people are convinced?

Where do the profits go in the last few years? Into the record breaking salaries of the execs.

Look <-- as Romney would say... if the corporations 'wanted' to create jobs right now they certainly could. The bold face truth is they are not.

[FieserxFettsack]

what a psycho.... i dont understand why people dont throw stuff at Mitt Romney.....

[louielamson2000]

REPUBLICAN TRIALLING SAME ON OLD ROAD-OLD BOAT!

2012 Republican GOP Following Footpaths John McCain 2008. “John McCain endorses Mitt Romney-Mitt Romney Following John McCain in 2008.

WITH OUT RON PAUL WIN ELECTION 2012 PRESIDENT. AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL LOSER MENTALITY.

[gerwazjana]

black is white and white is black.