Taiji Push Hands - Fu shengyuan II

[1951Skylark]

not impressed

[Konduffi2]

Ok, I understand the principe, they feel in which direction the other guy push his energy to stay in balance. In this moment the other guy push in the same direction. So his power and the power of the partner add.

[kotwk]

只有向前发？

[oo0phantom0oo]

i "Lol" at the people who act like this is a real martial art, and think they know what they are talking about. alot of oriental martial arts dont work well in real combat.

[FrostedFlakesify]

@oo0phantom0oo says the guy that is an expert martial artist on thousand year old martial arts ^-^

[plovakia]

@oo0phantom0oo Lol you shouldn't comment when you have no idea what you're talking about. A lot of oriental martial arts work well in real combat. If not, they wouldn't have survived. I suggest you find out what a 'martial art' really is. And I tell you, Tai Chi is one of the strongest form of martial arts there is out there. You should read more before posting such ignorant comments. Peace.

[oo0phantom0oo]

@plovakia I actually DO know what im talking about.. and no alot of fighting styles only work in competition with each other. ill use Taekwondo as an example... Joe rogan was national taekwondo champion multiple times, and when he transitioned to mixed martial arts he realized that alot of taekwondo didnt transition well in a real fight. i took 3 years of taekwondo and ive been doing kick boxing and wrestling for a long time and i find them much much much more effective.

[plovakia]

@oo0phantom0oo No, you do not know what you're talking about. A martial art is not something for you to follow rigidly. It's just something that's supposed to be made into your habit so that each time you fight, you spontaneously fight in that way. Just because one learns taekwondo doesn't mean he can't use another style. In fact, ancient masters constantly learned new styles to mix with their own style so as to make it better. The view on martial arts today and back then is very different.

[oo0phantom0oo]

@plovakia my point was it isnt effective. its great for good health and balance ect.. but not effective in a fight... not really..

[plovakia]

@oo0phantom0oo Taekwon is not practical in combat. That's because Taekwondo is the modified version of the original art. Have you seen the original art? I don't think so. There are few videos actually showing the real strength. Kung fu schools still challenge each other in asia. Sometimes out of jealousy or because they wish to test the master's skills to see if he's fit to be a master. Their fights are not like your western fights as they fight all out without protection. I you'll c 1 it 1 day

[oo0phantom0oo]

@plovakia there are rules to most competitive fighting, western or asain, asain fighting usually isnt done with protection, but with the exception of a mouth piece and a cup,neither does western fighting. I have always been interested in seeing a master of a eastern martial art fight a western martial artist, and jujitzu was extremely effective when it first hit the scene, but now it is practiced commonly in the western world. push hands isnt practiced because it doesnt work..

[plovakia]

@oo0phantom0oo So you thought push hands is supposed to be a combat technique? Far from that. But I'll just leave that for now for you to find it out on your own.

[cfG21]

@oo0phantom0oo worked against a wrestler for me

[BennyKeat]

Well, this is shit.

[StNige]

Obviously very skillful but do the students learn a great deal here, particularly the young lad in blue (partner No.3). Is there really any benefit in pushing him so hard?

[Yangstyletaichi]

@StNige the young fellow is James fu qing quan the 6th decendant of the yang family at this time 20 years again james had a lot to learn about his families art no he is a great master like is father.

[mattwittig1]

@StNige school of hard knocks he kept erroring at the same point note the push gets harder and harder with each "student" as they screw up in over-extending their c of g. the best way to learn is trail and error? :) and the master shows his frustration at the student crossing his center and over extending like a mother cat toward its too rough playing kitten. so yes the students learn much: OUCH i messed up there, DAMN i messed up again ect ect..

[EXPOSEtheHYPOCRITES]

Ok those walls had better no be made of real bricks. IF the walls are real brick, then this teachers is a moron. You DO NOT throw your students with their back and heads into a brick wall!

[whitesupremashit]

there we go again with the MMA stuff guys you try with a master and I tell you you´ll just frind urself with ur booty on the floor and wondering what happened... just like that

[oo0phantom0oo]

@whitesupremashit MMA isnt a sport where a tough guy uses brute force in a cage... its an art form. jujitzu used to be this amazing martial art, and now people think its just mma garbage... mma is pure martial arts. the different martial arts used most commonly in mma are used because they are effective. push hands isnt used because like alot of asain martial arts, it is great for teaching balance, discipline, improving health and fitness, but not effective in a real fight.

[brzinger6]

he really likes that wall. jk good form :)

[media1981]

who's gonna fight like that... he should show demonstration in a real fight.

[BajoCLF]

@media1981 It's just an excercice. I find it very useful and i don't practice tai chi.

[xXkempachyXx]

jqjajajajaa yo le daria un patadon en la cabeza ¬¬ si me hace eso lol

[YTR0009]

how do they gain this energy?

[capricorni76]

Como no van a salir volando si el maestro los marea y cuando menos se lo esperan los manda a la verga, quisiera que pusieran resistencia e intentaran no dejarse tirar o aventar, para ver las verdaderas tecnicas

[yuvutu6p3]

@capricorni76 Si pusieran resistencia sería peor para ellos, de hecho, salen volando porque hay tensión y ponen resistencia en sus cuerpos y esa tensión o resistencia en las artes marciales internas es usada en contra del enemigo. En serio crees que tu te dejarías aventar como el de azul o que te azoten contra la pared. La tensión en los alumnos le permite al maestro manipularlos de esa manera. estás son artes marciales internas Taichi, Hsingi, iliqchuan, baguazhang. Y de Rusia Systema.

[capricorni76]

@yuvutu6p3 Pues no, yo no dejaria que me aventaran como el de azul, la tension que ponen y cuando los jala el maestro si la creo verdad, pero cuando los avienta... lo que pasa que para comenzar los alumnos se paran mal, luego habra que ver la fuerza del maestro (porque las apariencia no tiene nada que ver), y por ultimo no veo que los alumnos tengan la intencion de hacerle lo mismo al maestro, se reclinana hacia el y zas¡ les empuja con los dos brazos.

[BajoCLF]

@capricorni76 En mi caso, cuanto más tenso me pongo peor caigo. Mi profesor es más bajo y pesa mucho menos que yo. Dice que le cuesta mucho sacarme pero, cuando lo logra, pierdo el equilibrio por completo. El punto es acompañar la fuerza en el mismo sentido que la hace tu compañero así se suman las dos fuerzas en favor de uno. Parecido al aikido, por compararlo con algo bien conocido.

[capricorni76]

@BajoCLF aaa, abra que intentarlo para que me quede claro, gracias.

[BajoCLF]

@capricorni76 Por nada, encantado. De todas maneras(volviendo al tema) no creo que nadie quiera hacer quedar mal en un video a su maestro.

[chineseboxer108]

Exaggerated, maybe even choreographed reactions. Not to mention they are both tossing all over the place

[stopbeingcowards]

This guy is just letting himself be thrown around and when he is pushing he falls overly hard

[TheNStormofJustice]

@stopbeingcowards Ehh... looks to me like he's just trying not to be hurt by falling, that's not a bad thing.

And he's not 'just letting himself be thrown around,' he's letting himself be thrown around by a master of the art.

[deebarnes77]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[megagagnon1]

punch 'em in the face

[ethnobotanik]

amazing....just can imagine what happens if he put full energy in his push

[blebby]

That guy in the White looks like a President of a Middle Eastern Country

[jimanHK]

the white guy has zero roots!!!

[fabiomassid]

This guy is definitely good, but....

No need to bully his student. Don't allow any "master" to treat you like that. It serves no purpose other than the "master"'s ego.

Don't allow anyone to try their techniques on you. I had to undergo surgery for that and that made me no better!

Practice smart. Be free

[Roper122]

@fabiomassid " This guy is definitely good, but....

No need to bully his student. "

Ummm, the student in the video is his son... I don't think there's any bullying going on.

[smoothsalsaguy]

@fabiomassid I used to get blasted like that all the time by my teacher...it doesn't mean that the master has an ego. Part of the training is to be able to feel/absorb power as well...as long as the master does it in a controlled way that does not injure the student. After all, this is a combat martial art!

[dekal1]

The energy he posseses is amazing. Thank you for showing, and posting. Thank you. Thank you.

[pacifik07]

Projected against the wall a little misses of elegance, and the chuttes miss subtlety for my taste

[universetechnique]

Remember I was here.Thai

[usuklol]

Why don't the students push him?

[Zylvion]

cause the teacher's pushing em when they do it wrong :P

[rivertothesea]

You can't learn a martial art without a few bruises, and if you think you can you're kidding yourself. I guess this is a demo not a training session, hence the punishment! At least this isn't some faker 'hypnotising' his students to fall over when he touches them, like some vids on you-tube.

[CheezyMacDethbot]

oh, and what the heck is up with that shoving his students in to the wall eventually, over and over too? Not cool, any teacher who puts you in that kind of a situation deliberately is an ass.

[masterbakari]

@CheezyMacDethbot The purpose for that drill is to build your internal organs all at the same time lerning how to overcome the "fear" of getting push.

[CheezyMacDethbot]

The guy is white is not properly stacked, or aligned, ever, he is clueless and awful.  Not once in the whole thing. His knee shoots over his toe from the first seconds. If you watch Shengyuan, his alignment is right on for the most part.

[mandrilaftalen]

the purpose of tai chi is to use your opponents force or defense against him self. If an attacker attacks you, you can see his movement and then you step aside "ying", if he protects himself you use "yang" to hit him. Whenever your apponent is not moving you are not moving, when he is moving you have already seen what he is doing and you are one step ahead of him

[skoami]

@mandrilaftalen, totaly agree . If you are thinking abouth asian or hollywood movies :)

In the real world, Taiji would help your mental and psycical balance the most ;)

[Skillking22]

@skoami

Taijiquan is strictly a martial art, aside that it also has health benefits. No, it's not just Asian or Hollywood Kung Fu blockbusters. Try hitting Grandmaster Fu and see.

[K2armada]

5:35 to 5:40

Pricelessly funny :L

And the students feet hardly touch the floor- he's not doing that to himself.  Also- hear the noise he makes as the air is knocked out of him?

Pwnage :)

[mikekoh66]

If you learn karate and I learn taichi at the same time, the 1st 5 years you will definitey kick my butt, but after that, I will throw you around like a piece of rag. But how many people can really master taichi to the extend like master fu? Most of the master here learned other forms of aggresive martial arts than learn taichi to enhance their learned skills. So I think Taichi is something like a booster.

[CheezyMacDethbot]

Taiji is 5 K years old has been an PRIMARY combat art for many. Does not take ten years to learn well, or even five.  Real taiji (not that soft no-power hippy crap LOL) was always intended to take three years to attain proficient use by a practitioner. But that means daily training and practice. People have jobs - family, life, that means 1 or 2 classes a wk. So, yes in todays age taiji takes a long time to make useful on the "street."

[KaratenKit]

I don't want to be rude but when a angry big mucelt boxer comes to you, you dont have the time to be bouncing around like that, You'll have 1/5 of a second to think and dodge his fist at the same time :P

[luccetransportation]

At least in some schools of thought, the purpose of training push hands and centering is to apply it to that 1/5 second. Just because people spend 5 minutes going back and forth doesn't mean they're imagining a fight going that way. If you can quickly disrupt someone's root at contact instead of just dodging you've gained an advantage. Nice video!

[jigokunoshinigami]

Good tui sou vid.

[smalli87]

Sieht zum schluss aus, als würden die tanzen...:-)

[limamal]

i twisted a 30 years trained taiji old man

he swing like a ball , his push hand cannot apply to me :(

[sylvester134]

you must be a chinese and yet know nothing about the power of tai chi.. SHAME ON YOU.

Start embracing tai chi, practise taoism

[jekylfoot]

Why does he keep slamming his students into the wall?

[Xw0LveS89]

because he does not know how to control.. that where he not the proper tai fellow.......

[jekylfoot]

I think maybe he's just mean

[Xw0LveS89]

i learn tai chi ... i can tell u he's not the proper one.. get someone bigger size he will suffer...

[oldmonkeybones]

@jekylfoot To tenderize before cooking. Master Fu hates toughness.

[limamal]

did you noticed he too focus in push hand

if he face karate guy or sumo,

karate kick leg ,can he still stand firm ????

[Xw0LveS89]

correct.. u can kick his arse easily.. for this guy ...

[sylvester134]

before the karate guy lift up his leg , he already get thrown far away by the tai chi master

[way2smoove]

that kid in blue is alright...but he needs to learn how 2 use the circles cuz he lets himself be bullied to the wall in a perfectly straight line 2 easily. probably a teacher student thing...

[WUDI2]

The bouncing off the wall is not just for effect. I know of at least two other teachers who use the wall as part of tuishou.

[qxe4]

watch out when you practice this kid of ex. it probably causes shoulders joints to be seriously hurt .

no jokes with that.

[littlecannon]

I've been practicing for 20 years and never had any shoulder issues from push hands. Where do you get this info from?

[Trinitymark2008]

The guys in white and blue were obviously waiting to be pushed all the time and they had no intention at all to counter their master. Purely a show to audience. Pushing guys onto a wall is to create a visual and sound effect. In China people practise push hands in the field and there won't be any walls available in the setting. After all, knocking your own body against a brick wall could cause injury to back and head. Not recommended.

[Cixi108]

You obviously have never done Push Hands with a master. Walls? Sometimes. Floor, always.

Totally recommended.

[justcat1234]

If you look at the students feet, every time he get's pushed he adds to the push with his feet making it look like his master is really strong, but 70 percent of the push comes from the student...

[ShinFuYux]

It looks like he grabs the students from the upper part of their arm and that's why they loose their balance so easily.

[rohitsriiv]

Well, that's how it works in most of the marshal arts. You add up on to the energy on of the opponent. You don't contradict the force but use the force for your advantage. It seems you have discovered one of the most basic idea :)

[Rankawino]

its seems too much force, taiji is softer i think. the master against students...this is a class?

why the wall?

[MaBu888]

The wall is nice. :)

[Yeouhsing]

The master in red is a good teacher.

The idea of bouncing them on the wall works two things:

1- if the student can root, they won't fly into the wall

2- When the student hits the wall, their body is being conditioned and learning how to absorb impact.

Good video!

[Mantisdude]

ha ha lol! Look at him move his opponent to the wall so he can trow them in to it. Makes me laugh :)

[way2smoove]

lol

[monczkam]

the guys in white need to sink more and not be so rigid at the knees or waist

[sickofdao]

the man in red beats his opponents by moving into their bodies. the people who play him should not let him remain forward so much or to collapse their arms in like the guy in blue. the arms are suppossed to protect your center.

[QuanYin71]

Shoot .... thios guy gets some beating from the walls as well ... Great level of skill indeed .. that is ..the masters' skill .

[jimanHK]

who is going to pay the medical bills?

[XD4133]

funny ho the guys keeps getting hurt XD

[lvshaolin]

Obviously very skilled

[saralee27]

I have to say it looks funny the way he comes back like a yo-yo, sorry guys not to offend anyone ..

[tsangboy]

hahahaha..a yoyo..good one dude

[ben665ben]

what are the rules? If you watch an MMA fight, no one does this? This might "build a healthy constitution" but it won't win any fights. A good drill, maybe.

[codeagent47]

is not about fighting!!! is a Art!

[Koenig1980]

Chi Quan is a very powerful martial art. To properly understand the complexities of fighting, not limited to how Chinese martial arts work from a practical point of view, human psyhcology, cause and effect and forms and their use and application its hard to watch something like this and take it seriously, especially if you come from a fighting background who's first questions are "what are the rules?" and consider "MMA" to be comparitive to Tai Chi Quan.

[Aikidopoi]

Ben665ben, this isn't a 'fight' as you'd see it.

MMA and Martial Ways aren't comparable, they are two different things.

But you must understand in the old days, this would be something that a practitioner of traditional Chinese Wushu, which is fighting, would practice... It helps, and in that regard, it could help with MMA too, I suppose.

[Caeg06]

Master Yang Jun, 6th Generation descendant of the creator of Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan says: When we practice tui shou, we should first be aware of the purpose of practicing it. Tai Chi is a martial art. As a martial art, the ultimate goal of it is the practice of free fighting. Tui shou is a transitional stage of practice, coming between form practice and free fighting.

[Caeg06]

This trains us how to 'listen' to the opponent (listening energy or ting1 jing4), next is 'understanding energy' (dong3 jing4), and last comes a kind of intuition about what the other will do. Thus, tui shou is just a means of training, not the ultimate goal. When we push hands we are still following a number of restrictions and conditions, and we are especially seeking to learn sticking, following, not opposing directly with force, and not losing contact"

[Bigboss5]

Beautifully put!

[micsir888]

@ben665ben sports talk is cheap when it comes to war. attackers will grab whereas MMA don't, attackers will not be trained ring fighters whereas MMAs are. The idea is to use the clinch as a means of destroying an assailant. If you didn't realize this by watching the 'style' you know little in the area of fight dynamics. Go roll and play on the ground with your friends, looking for that one perfect lock, or just pound your faces in for good sport, we don't mind.

[BennyKeat]

@micsir888

You won't find much tai chi in war I reckon (or mma, the point being that this reasoning is irrelevant).

[RonSk8Tz]

@ben665ben i think otherwise it's about using your opponents force against him, it's fighting while using your witts, most MMA fighters just look for the kill you can't base this demonstration of the real thing when an actual fight occurs.

[ubermodo]

It seems like every martial arts video is like the Harlem Globetrotters vs. Washington Generals. I want to see a video where the other guy wins one some of the time. I wanna see a gangster from Compton take on one of these guys hand-to-hand. I am definitely curious to see who would win. Sounds like a good TV show.

[andymach33]

looks poor to me

[dowhatthouwilt911]

I love this video. It shows just how effective tai chi can be as a martial art. The students are not just letting the master push them around. They are doing their best to resist, but to no avail. I have trained in Chinese internal arts for years, and also cross trained in boxing, Brazilian jiu jitsu, and freestyle fighting. I can tell you that tai chi can be devastating when you cross hands with a real master.

[Damian72a]

Effective? Listen to lookyeahhohon.. maybe it looks nice but.. that's propably all it's got :)

[lookyeahhohon]

As a chinese, i no longer find this traditinal chinese kung fu practical in a real combat situation thats why i started exploring Jeet Kuen Do and Sanda. No on single form really works, in a real fight, one has to be formless as Bruce Lee said, this is so true...my friend.

[jimmyjamesWang]

theoretically, taichi is the first kungfu that come up with the idea of formlessness.

[lookyeahhohon]

i am on expert on Tai chi, but if i am not mistaken, all tai chi movements based on " circular" instead of a straight line like wing chun. to me, keeping all movements circular or straight is already a form.

[lookyeahhohon]

why didnt the guy with black pant just kick his balls and gave him chance to push???

[jimmyjamesWang]

it is acturally more beneficial to "be pushed" than to push, pushing helps to expose your weaknesses that would otherwise difficult to find when you are just practising alone. Most young fools in the west doesnt know this truth about apprenticeship: the more beating you get, the faster you will improve.

[StephenR98]

Oh, man, this is funny. The British narrator just makes it. I like how the master slowly inches closer to the brick wall. A little more ... a little more ... SLAM!

[CT2507]

HA HA HA... This is " Slam your students into a brick wall Taiji"!! Cant they use a protecting cushion!?. The pushands is good, but the video idiotic!

[jimmyjamesWang]

nah, they dont need it. they are Taichi practitioners. If they cant take the wall, they cant take anything.

[chiman1000]

You get to learn push hands only after learning the 84 differet forms or sets. So I only have to wait 10 years or more. What a deal!!!

[Loyaute]

Hitting the floor! Very good! That is hao kung fu pushing hands training...

[lin2k4]

I wouldn't fancy getting shoved into a wall.

[usaveteran]

It seems that the players are trying to anticipate the master's next move. When trying so hard not to be "pushed" we often lose the concentration needed to perfect this art. It's an investment in loss, so to speak (where have we heard that before?). If one looks closely enough, you could "feel" the tension in the players form. This is by no means a negative comment, but just an observation. Just keep the practice and don't get discouraged.

[Terryltk]

Terrible, why is he keep slamming ppl against the wall? Find another master to slam this guy onto the wall.

[stickywithit]

Because life is full of people who fight you in some way......and if your come back is but if they didn't all fight then there would be no need to fight.....until life gets to your idealistic reality of man kind not having to defend themselves ....learn to defend your self.....BUT don't slam people against the wall like this so called Master in this vid...

[lotusden]

mmm some decent issues there. check out heaven mane earth taiji for some great taiji. those guys are mad!

[backboy2007]

not too bad technique

[dnbperth]

Grandmaster Fu's son, Master Fu Qing Quan (James) is following in his ancestors' footsteps. He is the sixth generation to inherit the full transmission of authentic Yang Family Tai Chi. Master James Fu was the national Chinese champion for Tai Chi weapon in 1988 and for Tai Chi form in 1989. He has now been awarded a 7th Dan grade by the Chinese Wu Shu Association.

[dnbperth]

Grandmaster Fu Sheng Yuan is the fifth generation to receive the entire transmission of the family art. He is the world's foremost authority on Yang style Tai Chi , and has many followers throughout the world. Master Fu Sheng Yuan was recently awarded the 8th Dan grade by the Chinese Wu Shu Association in China.

[jadewillow]

Bad form! His leg (James Fu) points side ways Good way to get your knee blow out when in a fight...I.e. when some one kicks it out from under you!

[HuaLiu]

why the red can push the other one?

[lazurlazur]

I like that the master uproots, pushes out pulls in and pulls down. Many seem to do only pushing out. I know it's only a demonstration, but I worry that many students are only learning to lose to the master.

[newencura]

Buen tui shou.

[pavlovedog]

Thanks alot for posting this!!

[palmcircle]

nice wall technique....Good for the internal organs..Pce

[NTNGUYEN]

haha...i feel sorry for the little guy.

[getfreeh2o]

The little guy is James Fu.

Fu Sheng Yuans son.

[danya834]

a little too long