@SquareCrystal *inserts sarcasm* Thats exactly why millions have converted to Islam and it's the fastest growing religion and was in the worlds Guinness book of records for that matter. You clever person! (sarcasm again just in case you were that dumb because I have seen people that dumb.)
now who says Islam is the fast growing religion.? those Islamic centers only count people who convert to Islam but they never count who leave the Islam. people come to Islam and leave from the backdoor. that's what happens actually.
@SquareCrystal Are you thick? Did you not read the first sentence? You must be blind, let me state it again since your clearly imbecilic towards my statement. "it's the fastest growing religion and was in the worlds Guinness book of records for that matter." And how do you know people come to Islam and leave? Because I'm sure you can enter a mosque and differ that there are converts somewhere and have been Muslims for decades. Take Yusuf Estes for an example and many other of his
@SquareCrystal Six million left Islam? Six million left? Lol over a period of what time? All the time? There are Over 1.5billion maybe 2billion Muslims right now, over 10million are Hafiz (memorized the whole Quran). Also, I don't get all my information off the Internet, there's something call books and since the Internet does result to many anti-Islamic websites I choose not to go with unauthentic sources. Try reading a book. Start off with the Quran.
@SquareCrystal You're really being pathetic now. Blocking you. Just to let you know I'd highly suggest you visit a Mosque, or you're just a clear coward. Honestly you'd want to kill yourself after finding out about him after saying all this rubbish. You disgust me.
killing? is that what Muslims do when they have no points to present. no wonder people accuse u for being terrorists. u know u fuckers are heavily brainwashed that's why can't see the truth.
why not just check the state in North Korea they even ready to give their life for their country but still they have no idea how they suffer under a dictatorship. they fight because of the afraid to their leader and u fight because afraid to ur GOD or afraid u will go to hell if don't follow it. so north koreans can leave from the fear easily because when they out of the NK they are safe but u people can't as long as u live because it's a clever trick mad by that pedo.
@SquareCrystal friends and family. Then the other people he's invited to Islam. Don't try and reply with a clear false statement trying to condescend to me lol. How can you come to me with a statement and not even back it up and claim you're correct. Honestly, do some real research if you want real guidance. Keep yourself to facts because once there out, I'm out with it. Good-bye!
when you have lack in knowledge then do not try to mislead people! try to post complete videos because your comment is so fake! as we know that videos can be edited!
How about learning the difference between evolution and mutation befot making a video.
Your examples of evolution were mutation. There is a fox that has blue fur because of a genetic failure( mutation), but it doesn't mean. That theres an evolution
@abdu452 evolution is a process of gradation. the unit of gradation is the mutation. accumulations of said gradations account for all instances of evolution to ever occur.
thats like watching news of a tornado tearing through a house with a swathe of 50 wrecks behind it and 100 fresh houses in its path, with the headline "tornado destroys city".. and then claiming only a single house was destroyed.
@abdu452 if you are "just 15" (age is irrelevant, only knowledge matters), why did you think it was advisable to go onto a well thought out and well made video and attempt to make a criticism? what compelled you to do that?
do you not like the video because of the religious beliefs your parents imposed upon you via brainwashing? if so, did you feel the need to defend them against the video, regardless of whether the video is right or wrong?
@volound You can't really say my parents brainwashed me into believing, because in that case. You have been brainwashed into believing there is no God. And age is relevant. If not then a 40 year old man should be just as smart as a 9 year old
@abdu452 "You can't really say my parents brainwashed me into believing, because in that case. You have been brainwashed into believing there is no God."
incorrect. religion was not an issue in my household. your parents are muslim and because of that, you are a muslim. just like the christians parents are christian... truth doesnt come into it. its possible to tell someones religion from which country they are from, religion is a joke.
@abdu452 "And age is relevant. If not then a 40 year old man should be just as smart as a 9 year old"
non-sequitur. intelligence is not contingent upon age. the least educated of my little brothers is still more educated on logical discourse and rational thinking than the majority of the 60 year olds of the world.
age IS irrelevant. intelligence is not. that there is a positive correlation between them doesnt matter one iota. correlation does not imply causation.
@volound cool story, but I asked my teacher about this and he said " The theory of evolution is just a theory, we cant go back in time and confirm it happened. But it's true that there are animals evolving" So i guess i'll just leave it at that. Thanks for your time :)
awwwww need to go and ask a physicist am sure he does not lie but only speaks the word of truth am sure this physicist will tell you that life will end at the grave or maybe mention the quran fact that 1400 years it was prophesied that humans today will try and make the deserts green which is what scientist are trying to do today am sure these scientist are muslims because they are fulfilling the prophecys of ISLAM. can you explain that (monkeys will become humans hahahahaha ha ha ha)
listening to muslims such as yourself continue intransigently to have faith without evidence and spout complete and utter arrantly retarded, overtly asinine, fallacy laden, non-sequitur filled fucking nonsense despite my clear and cogent rebuttals and explanations on demand is all that is needed to continue to not accept islam with no problems whatsoever.
the problems are all yours. continue to ignore the evidence and reasoned argumentation all want.
@volound yeah without faith but what the QURAN has mentioned 1400 years ago todays science is finding out now does that make islam wrong or right is that enough evidence. so dinosaurs thought they will morph into birds because they thaught it would be safe to do so, Oh wait there is a talking human that has a brain that can problem solve, shit lets go back to being dinosaurs again.
if any god exists, you are insulting him with your thoughtlessness. your unwillingness to learn exactly HOW life evolved is an insult to the grandiose of his purported design.
@volound me isulting ALLAH ha its you people that insult the truth thats been sent why dont you and your scientist find god and bring dinosaurs back to life oh and how can i forget the little microbes that help build a 80ft long dinosaur. Inform your scientist to help teach monkeys english i mean thats proof they can do all this because science says so.
You are using the fruits of science right now to demonstrate your ignorance of the subject of science to the world...
"if monkeys are in 98% genetic to human why cant the they say some word in english but a parrot that does not have much genetics to human at all say a couple of word so that means a parrot is a human in the form a bird"
If you had GENUINE interest in the answer, you would've GOOGLED it. You're not here to learn.
@20123253 if animals such monkeys (cursed humans that boudmouthed islam) are in 98% genetic to human which i believe islams says so but why cant the they say some word in english. But a parrot that does not have much genetics to human at all say a couple of word so that means a parrot is a human in the form a bird but it just learnt how to fly by the help of british airways.
@volound oh thats it you proved that science is more worthy than islam when not even once you could backup how science went on se how Adam and eve did not exist i just told you my view of what islam said. Block me but remember this islam cannot be be beaten by scientist beside saying harsh things about it. Take some babies to the moon and create evoloution over there. why not just grow trees on the moon oh wait it's the only world that has trees bring a change to the laws of gravity.
"so dinosaurs thought they will morph into birds because they thaught it would be safe to do so"
This is how evolution works? Ahahahaha! You know what, I bet those imams do a really good job of educating you about the opposing views in an "fair and balanced" manner XD When there are robbers chasing me, I'll grow wings and fly to safety!
quran mention how mankind was made and it was not ascended by the genetics of monkeys or passed down from dinosaurs. ADAM(pbuh) was made by 4 differnet clays of this world and life was put into him, monkeys however were human that disobeyed god so their faces were changed into monkeys (we say) and also an animal called a pig, yes science is begining to wonder why are these two animal genetics comman in humans. heart of pig and the behaviour of a monkey. now u tell me how adam came.
@20123253 "ADAM(pbuh) was made by 4 differnet clays "
its cute that you go to the length of saying "pbuh" when we know for a fact that adam didnt exist. go and talk to a biologist about this, read a biology textbook. you are wasting my time with your blatant and overt ignorance.
@volound yes i know but other facts that i mentioned about monkey and pig they were humans cursed by ALLAH.see the problem with you is that your to ignorant its only times like this when you know what science is proving now was mentioned in the quran but in in the later future they will end up announcing that adam and eve did exist, then what eh you going to go by the book. ignorance ha i follow something that science is mentioning now, that makes you ignorant.
@20123253 "yes i know but other facts that i mentioned about monkey and pig they were humans cursed by ALLAH"
like i said, this is demonstrably false. you wont find a single biologist that agrees with this utter nonsense. this is worse than the talking snake and the flying pegasus. its a clearly invented myth that makes you religious zealots the laughing stock of the intellectual elite (or even, the non-extremely-gullible.)
you need to sort your brain out. youre full of shit.
I must say you're brave to make a video like this. Dr. Zakir Naik is a very popular figure in India and on youtube. Many drones will go at great lengths to defend his ignorance and distortion of facts. Hes probably one of the most ignorant people I've ever seen and he constantly makes ignorant comparisons with is faith and past scientific discoveries. but I hope more videos pop up about this prick and his ignorant fantasy. But great video man.
@kingazeemrules anything we know, we know because of science and not because of the qur'an. science changes every day because it is homing in on the truth. it is self-correcting.
religion is weak because it cannot change. it is stuck being false. almost no muslims are scientists. almost no scientists are muslims.
@volound I didnt believed it either but then I searched and researched.... Muslims are behind the basis of majority of branches of science. Thats what is known as Golden Period. After that, they started fighting each other for power, left the knowledge (what they call ilm) and Europe rises from dark ages to this modern science on those basics established by Muslims. Quran PROVIDES scientific facts, and I, as researcher dont hesitate to accept it.
@mhfateen "I didnt believed it either but then I searched and researched.... Muslims are behind the basis of majority of branches of science. Thats what is known as Golden Period."
golden period of arab science, not islamic science. they owe their science as much to their beards as they do to islam.
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"Quran PROVIDES scientific facts"
like birds wouldnt be able to fly without god. like you were made of clay. like a flat earth. smashing scientific facts bro.
@volound spherical earth, not flat. I seen that myself.
What Muslims believe is that everything is made by God. God created atmosphere having air, and provided birds wings and tail that helps them to fly. So ultimately God made them fly. its like a=b and b=c, so a=c. This is how it is believed and said.
@volound Secondly, about your argument about theory and fact is not satisfying to me. There are numerous theories about 12/2012 that world is going to end: 1. because of alien invasion, 2. because of sun flairs, 3. because of nuclear war, 4. because of mayan prediction etc etc. All contradicting theories cant be facts. Theory is a TRY/EFFORT to explain an event, which can be true or cant be true. When its established, it is called law/fact in science. Before that, just theory.
@mhfateen This video already addresses the difference between a 'scientific theory' and the everyday term 'theory'.
All the nonsense about 'the world going to end' is not mainstream science. Therefore, not a scientific theory. And therefore, an every day meaning of the word theory.
Life exists = fact!
What causes life to exist = theory
So in science, unless something is a fact, it can't be called a theory. And scientists know that theory is the most important term.
@Ganstaz003 According to oxford dictionary "a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something".
You can propose theories to justify a course of action but it doesnt mean that what you are saying is true and correct. That can be correct, can be wrong. All I'm saying is that Darwin's reasoning to say that we grown up from single cell to multi-cell organism inside the water and then came out on soil can be wrong, can be right. No one knows. We have right to go for or against it.
@mhfateen you are misinformed. gangstaz003 is correct.
you are conflating the everyday definition of theory with the scientific definition. whether you do this deliberately or not i am unsure, but this very video explains in great detail this error, and you commit it anyway. i am worried. why would you do that?
a theory is the greatest status a scientific proposition can attain. theories dont graduate and become "laws" or "facts".
it helps to watch the video you are commenting on.
@volound No its not deliberately! lets put it this way. Why is it that numerous scientific theories are proven wrong or altered with another theory? Because new fact/truth comes in? No! Because old description of an event is replaced by new and better opinion/description with new argument/evidences. So, even scientific theories can be wrong just like daily life theories. Scientific theories can be wrong , can be right. Being scientific doesnt make them absolute truth. Cant simplify more.
@mhfateen it is a fact that humans evolved. evolution by natural selection is the best theory for explaining this fact and facts like it. evolution replaced lamarckism just as newtonian physics replaced aristotelian physics and was replaced by relavitistic physics.
if you expect us to one day find out that humans didnt evolve, and that adam and eve really did exist, you are deluded and overwhelmingly ignorant.
@volound do you have a brain or what. try fitting the whole of science in one book that has 800 pages you cant, the QURAN mentions world changing facts it's states things like honey has lots of cures for different diseases, earthquakes will begin to increase, more bloodshed will begin to happen, muslims will be the enemys to non believers, these are mentioned in the quran (and i can go on all day). see these are world changing facts not science. ISLAM is not science.
the qur'an is not careful to avoid making claims that trespass on the realm of science. it fecklessly attempts to explain (to an extent) how humans (adam) were made, how the earth and the universe was made, how birds fly, how mountains stop earthquakes, how salt and fresh water are immiscible, embryology etc.
it uses many words and conveys little/no correct information. it gets worse. science disproves the qur'an explicitly (evolution).
@volound you forget that i mentioned only world changing facts are mention its not a book of science didnt i mention that earlier. so your a believer of science rather than religion i accept that. you want proof of god you want to know how all this came about. Now you tell me if god shows himself to the world at this present time and say that this creation is mine you will believe it but its only a matter of 10 generation down the line it will be noted as a load of bullshit.
@volound QURAN mentions the big bang theory the expnasions of the universe the time it took ALLAH(swt) to make all this. i mean if there is not enough proof for you then why is science proving these theories now. it was written 1400 years ago if the theories today are relating why cant you people accept that the quran is ahead and it's just ignorance that prevails amongst people to prove that islam is wrong, it's not wrong theres no if's or buts in ISLAM. word of ALLAH 100%
@20123253 "QURAN mentions the big bang theory the expnasions of the universe the time it took ALLAH(swt) to make all this."
physicists disagree. which is why they are almost never muslim.
and they also disagree that the heavens and the earth were "cloven asunder". the earth is 33% of the age of the universe, the universe and earth were not one then split.
thats the most blatantly obvious error i can recall, there are many more. you should read some science books. it would help.
@volound do i care if pysicist agree or disagree why cant people understand. it's like me saying yeah psychologist knows how the brain works 100% thats bullshit so how does the brain problem solve er i dont no. why are most facts mentioned 1400 years ago and you people are finding out now. if you can explain that and then i will leave ISLAM. islam also mention that people will look for cures for such diseases but they will not able to find them. AIDS, Cancer, alzheimer's.
@20123253 "do i care if pysicist agree or disagree"
alright then. in that case, i dont care what you say or think. you are just like the mormons that believe native americans are a lost jewish tribe. if you are willing to go against the overwhelming scientific concensus on no evidencial basis, your opinion is worthless. that is quite simply a moronic position to hold. your descendants will look back on you and your way of thinking with shame and contempt, as i do now.
@volound yeah my decendants will look back on me and laugh. but what will more funny is about the theory of Einstein when he claimed that the the final war will be fought with sticks and stone where it also mention in the quran that the last war will be fought with stick and stones. sounds funny when cures for cancer wont be found sounds funny that death cannot be stopped, sounds funny that witchcraft exist, sounds funny monkeys will soon become talking humans. wow now i must be stupid.
@20123253 "the theory of Einstein when he claimed that the the final war will be fought with sticks and stone where it also mention in the quran that the last war will be fought with stick and stones"
*facepalm*
einstein didnt say anything whatsoever about a last war. he said that world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones. he was remarking on how weaponry has advanced to the extent that another war would set civilisation back millenia.
@20123253 so there you go, you somehow managed to completely blooper that as i explained. are you not a muslim any more? ,,thats what i thought.
but even if i grant your insane claim that einstein vindicates the qur'an... is that really how your brain works? is your mind really that riddled with non-sequiturs.
the qur'an says it... einstein agrees with it... therefore its true?
wow, how utterly moronic.
you forgot to mention that einstein wasnt a muslim. he wasnt even a jew.
@20123253 i could dismantle each of those insanely idiotic rambling claims of yours, but im not going to bother. its clear to anyone reading this that you have made a massive fool of yourself. im glad the majority of muslims are as stupid and nonsensically asinine as you. if muslims were to come on here and talk sense, that would make me worry.
id hate to be an intellectual muslim, knowing my flank is held by morons such as yourself. witchcraft.. lol. get a grip.
@20123253 thats like saying "will europeans become americans one day?" you dont understand evolution if you need to ask such a mindlessly stupid question. open a biology textbook. it saddens me that there are people like you that dont have the information explaining how life diversified. how pointlessly depriving. its like choosing to believe that stars are just woven patterns on a fabric instead of cosmic crucibles that forge all the atoms to ever exist INCLUDING US.
@20123253 ill give you a chance though. ill spend time helping you to understand (even though i didnt need any help), if necessary. its the least i can do for a fellow human.
@kingazeemrules He has clearly explained what a theory is and what a fact is. Why don't you people understand? Anyone with a brain can understand that evolution is true and verifiable. It's the best description of the beauty, complexity and diversity of life on Earth. Only an absolute nut like Zakhir Naik can say that evolution is wrong!
My friend, these scientist do not have 4 heads. They are just people like u and I. Also, scientists know its just a theory put forward to fill the vacuum just like creation. However, creation was revealed 1st by religious people and when the theory of evolution was put forward, the non-religious people seized it with alarcrity to defend their non-belief. Have u ever considered that evolution can not disprove creation and that both are correct? E.g. Evolution occured after Creation?
Human beings have 98% of Chimpanzee genes, & more than 70% Pigs or dog's genes, in their DNA. This is not a theory but a fact. It will be same for Mohammed too. What is the most likely explanation? Did Allah give Chimpanzee or Pig's
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If I would be interested in joining a religion that respects my human nature it would be
1) i am free to reason, debate and question and discuss the teachings
2) it should contribute to me being a happier and better person
3) it shoud give me peace and those around me and my neigbours
Islam could give me none of that
1) i have to be afraid and careful not to mention anything or question anything muhammed says 2 slitting throats of hostages will not make me a good person3 peace?
@volound Do you not think that the man speaking (I don't know if that's you) is paying too much attention to defenitions? Maybe Zaik did use the words wrong. But shouldn't we focus on what he meant and take the argument from there? I think we undertsand what he means by "theory". And I didn't hear him say that he doesn't believe in evolution. He only said that it wasn't a fact. Of course, I don't know the whole context of his speech. Also, I would avoid the word "fact". I find it dangerous.
@volound I didn't watch the whole video. Perhaps I should have. So maybe the video does address what he means later on. Now this is why I think the word "fact" is dangerous. You seem to think that evolution is a fact. Now there may be a lot of very strong evidence supporting evolution, but I have a hard time believeing that it would be strong enough for me to say, "Yes, I now see that evolution is a fact." I say this because, how do you KNOW that you're not wrong?
@KrfNYC2 the notion of absolute certainty is not one that i find useful or of any utility.
to the extent we can know anything, to the extent that i can say i exist, or that the universe exists, i can also say that i know evolution is true.
maybe you are unaware of the sheer, stupendous weight of the evidence. scientists line up overwhelmingly on one side of this issue, so does all of the documentation we could possibly expect to, should evolution be a fact.
@volound You're rigth that I don't know how much evidence has been accumulated. I haven't looked at it. So I won't comment on the quality of it. But all I am saying is that I have never felt comfortable saying that I KNOW anything. So I imagine that the case would be the same in regards to evolution. Do you feel as though you KNOW that evolution is a FACT?
@KrfNYC2 to the extent we can know anything, to the extent that i can say i KNOW i exist, or that i KNOW the universe exists, i can also say that i KNOW evolution is true.
like i said, i dont value or speak in terms of absolute certainty.
@volound Oh, okay. I understand what you're saying. So when you say that you know to the extent we can know anything, what you're really saying is 'I don't know". It's like saying, "I can jump to the clouds to the same extent that I can jump to the moon". But if you don't speak in terms of absolute certainty, then why do you use the word fact? From my understand a fact is something that is known to be true. No?
@KrfNYC2 "But if you don't speak in terms of absolute certainty, then why do you use the word fact?"
because im talking about practical knowledge. most people dont even understand absolute certainty.
most people claim to "know" they exist. they are talking about practical knowledge. obviously, if explained, they will realize that they are not absolutely certain, and might not exist.
i say i "know" evolution is true in the same way i say i "know" i exist. practical knowledge, not absolute.
@volound I get what you're saying. But you would have to be careful about that. When you go up to someone and say "I know evolution is true" you would have to explain to them everything that you just told me in order for them to understand that you don't claim to have absolute certainty. Because that's what to know is. No?
@KrfNYC2 "But you would have to be careful about that. When you go up to someone and say "I know evolution is true" you would have to explain to them everything that you just told me in order for them to understand"
no, pretty much every person ive ever talked to knows exactly what i mean. youre the first person to ever invoke the demonstrably useless notion of absolute certainty.
@volound Well I'm sure you could understand. You pointed out Naik's misuse of a word according to it's definition. So I am doing the same to you. But I'm glad that you don't claim to know. I find it strange that some people are comfortable saying they know anything.
@KrfNYC2 words are tools used to convey intended meaning. when someone says they "know" something, i dont feel the need to remind them that the knowledge they claim is based on assertions concerning the nature of reality. its not necessary.
do you have a problem with the statement;
"to the extent that we can say we know gravity is true, we can also say we know evolution is true"?
@volound Well that statement conveys the message clearly (I'm not very comfortable with it but I get it). If somebody just said "I know that evolution is true" I may very well think that they truly believe that they know. And that's what I thought you were saying. So that is why I questioned you. Now I understand.
@volound In the meantime brother, I reccomend that you make more videos of exposing Zakir Naik, It will really be helpful to everyone. And can you reccomend me the best book I can read on evolution which you may have encountered to give the best knowledge? And previously, you stated you went to a local mosque and asked question to the imam regarding Evolution. Me being a muslim, what are few irrefutable questions you think I can ask to an imam? Please share. It will really help me.
@volound Thanks dude. To be honest, I have very little knowledge regarding evolution so I will try out the books you've reccomended. Also, I will view any other video you upload regarding evolution as well. I'm going to be visiting a few mosque's soon, so I'm prepared to ask the imam's of all the mosque's a question or two regarding evolution. This will test either their ignorance, or their knoledge about evolution. And again, Thanks for your help.
I just had a question or two regarding evolution that I feel I should ask you about. However, considering you don't like pm, what would be the ideal way I can go on about it?
Should I post the questions on your wall or shall I ask in here?
The first question I wanted to ask is, when you claim 'the notion of absolute certainty is something I find of no value''. What exactly do you mean by that?
You say 2 + 2 = 4 but is not 'absolute certain', how do you justify 'it is not absolute certain'.
It is an interesting statement because I had a debate with my muslim friend recently and this argument came up. I used it but had trouble justifying it.
@Ganstaz003 well, we make certain assumptions about the universe in order to learn from it.
first of all, that we exist. secondly, that the universe exists. and thirdly, that we can learn from it.
these three assumptions are universal among all of us (except from solipsists).
we dont "KNOW" that we exist. we dont "KNOW" that the universe exists. we could be a brain in a vat. this could all be a program running on a computer.
we have no way of "KNOWING" that it isnt, but we are "quite" sure.
Now my main few questions regarding evolution are:
1) Why isn't there any 'giant human fossil' in any science institution? Apparently Archaeologists have found skeletons of giant humans who lived on this planet. Does that disprove evolution?
2) How do you refute many of the common arguments raised by creationist against evolution?
I'll come back to some of the 'common arguments' after you answer my first question.
@Ganstaz003 "Why isn't there any 'giant human fossil' in any science institution? Apparently Archaeologists have found skeletons of giant humans who lived on this planet."
this is not accepted by mainstream science. this is just misinformation spread by creationists that believe humans used to be 20 cubits tall and live to the age of 600.
"Does that disprove evolution?"
it absolutely would if it was true. just like fossil rabbits in the precambrian would.
@volound Well the reason (according to creationists) for the finding not to be in 'mainstream science' is because the scientist that make those discoveries happen to be 'creationists' and they get labelled as one. In other words, they don't get enough credit for their discoveries as much as the evolutionist do.
@Ganstaz003 well, thats not how science works. science is a self-correcting process. the scientific method is very rigorous and is the best we have for eliminating personal bias like that you describe the creationists of complaining of.
there was a point where darwin was the only one that knew about evolution. if science worked like creationists describe, unfamiliar and strange notions wouldnt proliferate throughout the scientific community. they clearly do, all the time.
@volound That's a good point you made there. I see your perspective
Now there is one last argument I would like you to refute for today.
That is, the claim that long term evolution has to be proved with long - term observation. that is by the definition of science. As science is about observation of the physical world.
Answer this please, and I'll leave you alone. I hope I'm not bothering or taking too much of your time.
These questions should inspire you to make a video in the future.
@Ganstaz003 certainly not. i like to explain things to people, its just how i am. so dont worry at all about asking.
lets take something long-term, like pluto orbiting the sun. that process takes something like 288 years. the human lifespan is only around 80. at its longest, 125. its safe to say that nobody has ever observed pluto orbit the sun. but we know it happens because we see the steps in real-time. we can explain how it happens and make predictions with it. evolution is the same.
Thanks for taking the times to answer my questions. I'm currently doing a research about religions and science.
I'm a Muslim who has made the decision to apostate. But before I do so, I'm looking into studying other religions such as Christianity, Hinduism etc. This will allow me to remain non - ignorant.
As for science, i'm doing a lot of research on evolution for it's validity. So you would expect me to come back here again anytime soon.
@Ganstaz003 good luck with your research, dont ever stop reading and learning, thats when you get things very wrong. and sincerest congratulations for having the balls to do what most religious people cant and wont.
if you to said to me you had two hours of your time to spend on this issue, i would recommend very highly a series of videos by aronra called "the foundational falsehoods of creationism".
@Ganstaz003 (contd) although this issue deserves much more than 2 hours, that is a great place to start/continue. also, might want to check out the CEMB forums, loads of people in your exact situation with the same questions and ideas (and maybe even fears/worries) as you.
as always, feel free to ask me anything. i dont know everything, by any means, but i know a lot of great resources for this kind of thing and will assist in any way i can.
@volound Hey, I've just returned from doing a thorough research of Christianity from the last time we talked.
In doing my research, I've found that Christianity is not much different from Islam. Infact, they are both very similar in many ways and the evident shows why. Which is why Christians and Muslims always like to insult each other's religions.
@volound I myself lean towards more to the non - religious theistic side. I believe in a god without a religion now that I've left Islam.
I am not an atheist but I am an anti - religous person. I believe religion is not compatible with god. All religions (especially the abrahamic ones) are equally bad as each other. They divide people, cause hatred and so on.
The only religion that could considered 'peaceful' is Buddhism and maybe Hinduism. They don't cause hatred like the Abrahamic ones.
@volound Mankind started off with about 7000 distinct languages before. But the rate of languages disappearing is one every two weeks. Sourced from Los Angeles Times article. If we are going through an evolutionary process, then why don't we have more than 7000 languages now?
@Ganstaz003 well thats linguistics. evolution is biology and deals purely with a very small aspect of biology.. isnt that like asking germ theory to comment on how mountains form etc.?
and im not sure what you mean about "mankind started off with about 7000 distinct languages", do you mean that we had about 7000 languages when we were at our most diverse?
on a side note, even if evolution had its foot in the door with this subject, id still expect languages to die off quickly.
@Ganstaz003 i still dont understand why you think linguistics has anything to do with the veracity of evolution than.. say... geology. if you could explain the apparent conflict a bit more overly and clearly, ill see what i can do. right now theres no connection that im aware of.
and id rather discuss one thing at a time until there is a resolution and closure. i will answer your other questions, but id prefer to deal with one issue at a time.
@volound Okay, I am now forced to admit that my question was a bit flawed. So I'll have a deeper look at the question again and reflect upon it and then proceed to asking you in a day or two by phrasing the question more coherently.
Could you now please answer my question regarding the macro - evolution?
im not sure if ive already recommended the video series "foundational falsehoods of creationism" by aronra, but a particular 10 minute video addresses pretty much all of your questions right now. and the entire series probably covers everything you could ask.
@Ganstaz003 yeah its a great series that i would recommend to anyone.
and no, not much with islam. most critiques of christianity and christian creationism apply to islam though, especially regarding evolution (but you know that). hes from the bible belt in america, so hes heavily biased towards christianity and his videos were made at a time when christians were running rampant on youtube.
and its very sad, yeah. rationalizer is a great guy and does brilliant work. its a shame.
@volound Actually, I just wanted to point out that it was because of TheRationalizer that I left Islam. He played a 75% factor in my apostasy.
I however, have to thank you the most. This is because I found out about the TheRationalizer through you. When I first added you as a friend, I saw you liked the video 'Quran Muhammad's flat earth.
This was actually the first video I ever watched of his. After that, I went through his complete channel and found the truth about Islam.
@volound Ye dekho MashAllah theek wohi karthe hain Mullayen Jub Musalman ke khilaaf ladna hotho poori tharha maidaan mein haazir. Hamesha record raha hai jub bhi Aalam-e-Musalmaan ki shikasth huee Eesaaee ya Yahoodi ya Hindu ke haathon , Inn logon nein musalmaan ko hi isthemaal kiya. Aaj bhi yehi horaha hai Fathwe jaari ho rahe hain Dr. Zakir Naik ke khilaaf.
Respond to this video.Essaee/yahoodi/ Hindu Islam ke khilaaf, Qur’an ke khilaaf aur Nabi(SAS) ke khilaf bola tho yehi Dr. Zaki jawaab dethe .Ek bhi Mullah himmath nahi kiya kuch kahne ki Dushman-E-Islam ke khilaaf. Aur aaj Dr.Zakir Naik ke saath baithkar iss masle ka hal nikaala jaasaktha hai uss waqth lage mic pe dahaaden lagaane. Aaj ke daur mein Dushman inn Mullaon ko isthemaal karrahe hain. Thaake muh thod jawaab dene waala Dr.Zakir Naik ko chup karaaya jaa sake...
I am scientifically literate and doubt Evolution. Also Darwin that proposed Evolution was a devout Christian. He just put down his observations which indicated a link between genera and also species. He voiced a possible evolution without meaning for it to supersede creationism. He died before he could expound further on his thoughts.
Now I, in the field of Genetics know about mutations and can engineer mutations in the labs. Also, in nature mutations lead to variants of species. Extrapolating as a scientist I can understand the possibility (not truth) of Evolution - which is exactly the only evidence for possible evolution. Your primitive man / fossils and the rest of such "evidence" are only possible evidences not confirmed as supporting evolution yet.
That’s why more and more fossils are being gathered to find a definite link. But even when a link is found, that would still not prove evolution. Because how can you possibly prove God did not create all these different species including current man (homo sapiens) and some have just died out at different periods
of history due to survival of the fittest rather than evolved.
You see, survival of the fittest is the other side of evolution that scientist believe more in than evolution. But lay people, even some scientists like urself mistake survival of the fittest theory as evolution theory. Survival of the fittest is compatible with creation theory. And even evolution cannot disprove creation. Why ? God could have created whatever it was that after started evolving. So any way you look at it, CREATION cannot be DISPROVED and can be contained in either theory.
If you are an evolved smart animal, use your brain and arrive at the truth- CREATION WINS and therefore is the ONLY TRUTH that explain all things. Actually, your disbelief question / other atheists question is really WHO CREATED GOD. No philosophy has been able to answer this and God did not tell us but may tell us when we see him in HEAVEN. Therefore prepare to go to HEAVEN if u want your question answered. Amen.
C'mon Naik, as a physician you should know you are talking nonsense about Evolution. It is a fact. You being there, evolved from your f x 10 e10 is the evidence. Taking Quraanit literally is stupidity. Moon was not split, Noah's flood did not happen, JC was not born from a Virgin & Moses did not see Big G. Allah did not know that Mohammed could not read. Stop beguiling the innocent & ignorant. Educate them. There is no Eternal Life. Death is Final. Do the best you can for the next generation
I am so happy about all the idiotic scientific claims being made by Muslims. Satan as always is setting them up for a Big Fall not just a Big Bang. Very soon, scientists will discover that the Big Bang theory is false. Already, they are trying the String theory. When the String Theory becomes well established as the most likely explanation and advanced tests disprove the Big Bang, what will Muslims do? I hope they will give up and trash their Quran with a Big BANGGG.
How can they be so stupid after 1400yrs. They embrace a theory as if it is a proven law. Theory means it is not yet proven. How can these idiots hang their Quran and beliefs to science that is always changing and Zaik - a Dr leading them in such diabolical suicide. I really pity their future, it will definitely be a BIG BANGGGGGGGGGGGG.
Exactly. Muslims don't use their brain because it was brainwashed in childhood in Mosques,.
SquareCrystal 3 weeks ago
@SquareCrystal *inserts sarcasm* Thats exactly why millions have converted to Islam and it's the fastest growing religion and was in the worlds Guinness book of records for that matter. You clever person! (sarcasm again just in case you were that dumb because I have seen people that dumb.)
3litepker 1 week ago
@3litepker
now who says Islam is the fast growing religion.? those Islamic centers only count people who convert to Islam but they never count who leave the Islam. people come to Islam and leave from the backdoor. that's what happens actually.
SquareCrystal 1 week ago
@SquareCrystal Are you thick? Did you not read the first sentence? You must be blind, let me state it again since your clearly imbecilic towards my statement. "it's the fastest growing religion and was in the worlds Guinness book of records for that matter." And how do you know people come to Islam and leave? Because I'm sure you can enter a mosque and differ that there are converts somewhere and have been Muslims for decades. Take Yusuf Estes for an example and many other of his
3litepker 1 week ago
@3litepker
check on the Internet. 6 millions of Muslims leave from Islam and u can find a plenty of reliable sources.
SquareCrystal 1 week ago
@SquareCrystal Six million left Islam? Six million left? Lol over a period of what time? All the time? There are Over 1.5billion maybe 2billion Muslims right now, over 10million are Hafiz (memorized the whole Quran). Also, I don't get all my information off the Internet, there's something call books and since the Internet does result to many anti-Islamic websites I choose not to go with unauthentic sources. Try reading a book. Start off with the Quran.
3litepker 1 week ago
@3litepker
you mean start off with the book that was written by that Pedophile old freak? no way.
SquareCrystal 1 week ago
@SquareCrystal You're really being pathetic now. Blocking you. Just to let you know I'd highly suggest you visit a Mosque, or you're just a clear coward. Honestly you'd want to kill yourself after finding out about him after saying all this rubbish. You disgust me.
3litepker 1 week ago
@3litepker
killing? is that what Muslims do when they have no points to present. no wonder people accuse u for being terrorists. u know u fuckers are heavily brainwashed that's why can't see the truth.
SquareCrystal 1 week ago
@SquareCrystal So you're saying over 20% of the worlds population is brainwashed. Go to a mosque if your not a coward.
3litepker 1 week ago
@3litepker
why not just check the state in North Korea they even ready to give their life for their country but still they have no idea how they suffer under a dictatorship. they fight because of the afraid to their leader and u fight because afraid to ur GOD or afraid u will go to hell if don't follow it. so north koreans can leave from the fear easily because when they out of the NK they are safe but u people can't as long as u live because it's a clever trick mad by that pedo.
SquareCrystal 1 week ago
@3litepker
yeah fuck off terrorist cunt.
SquareCrystal 1 week ago
@SquareCrystal I'm a terrorist? lol. I think you'd find that I'm not. You're being pathetic, seriously.
3litepker 1 week ago
@SquareCrystal friends and family. Then the other people he's invited to Islam. Don't try and reply with a clear false statement trying to condescend to me lol. How can you come to me with a statement and not even back it up and claim you're correct. Honestly, do some real research if you want real guidance. Keep yourself to facts because once there out, I'm out with it. Good-bye!
3litepker 1 week ago
i think the frying pan is attractive.......
habr28 1 month ago
when you have lack in knowledge then do not try to mislead people! try to post complete videos because your comment is so fake! as we know that videos can be edited!
MrNammogul 1 month ago
How about learning the difference between evolution and mutation befot making a video.
Your examples of evolution were mutation. There is a fox that has blue fur because of a genetic failure( mutation), but it doesn't mean. That theres an evolution
abdu452 1 month ago
@abdu452 evolution is a process of gradation. the unit of gradation is the mutation. accumulations of said gradations account for all instances of evolution to ever occur.
thats like watching news of a tornado tearing through a house with a swathe of 50 wrecks behind it and 100 fresh houses in its path, with the headline "tornado destroys city".. and then claiming only a single house was destroyed.
volound 1 month ago
@volound i didn't catch any of that, im just 15
abdu452 1 month ago
@abdu452 if you are "just 15" (age is irrelevant, only knowledge matters), why did you think it was advisable to go onto a well thought out and well made video and attempt to make a criticism? what compelled you to do that?
do you not like the video because of the religious beliefs your parents imposed upon you via brainwashing? if so, did you feel the need to defend them against the video, regardless of whether the video is right or wrong?
volound 1 month ago
@volound You can't really say my parents brainwashed me into believing, because in that case. You have been brainwashed into believing there is no God. And age is relevant. If not then a 40 year old man should be just as smart as a 9 year old
abdu452 1 month ago
@abdu452 "You can't really say my parents brainwashed me into believing, because in that case. You have been brainwashed into believing there is no God."
incorrect. religion was not an issue in my household. your parents are muslim and because of that, you are a muslim. just like the christians parents are christian... truth doesnt come into it. its possible to tell someones religion from which country they are from, religion is a joke.
to say atheists are brainwashed is laughable.
volound 1 month ago
@abdu452 "And age is relevant. If not then a 40 year old man should be just as smart as a 9 year old"
non-sequitur. intelligence is not contingent upon age. the least educated of my little brothers is still more educated on logical discourse and rational thinking than the majority of the 60 year olds of the world.
age IS irrelevant. intelligence is not. that there is a positive correlation between them doesnt matter one iota. correlation does not imply causation.
volound 1 month ago
@volound cool story, but I asked my teacher about this and he said " The theory of evolution is just a theory, we cant go back in time and confirm it happened. But it's true that there are animals evolving" So i guess i'll just leave it at that. Thanks for your time :)
abdu452 1 month ago
@abdu452 "The theory of evolution is just a theory, we cant go back in time and confirm it happened"
your teacher is scientifically illiterate and should be ashamed. i feel angry that she has the responsibility of teaching and is wasting it.
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volound 1 month ago
@volound thank you
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scienceevolution94 2 weeks ago
@volound if you get my previous message I meant to send it to the other guy you're arguing with...
scienceevolution94 2 weeks ago
awwwww need to go and ask a physicist am sure he does not lie but only speaks the word of truth am sure this physicist will tell you that life will end at the grave or maybe mention the quran fact that 1400 years it was prophesied that humans today will try and make the deserts green which is what scientist are trying to do today am sure these scientist are muslims because they are fulfilling the prophecys of ISLAM. can you explain that (monkeys will become humans hahahahaha ha ha ha)
20123253 1 month ago
@20123253 you are deluded.
listening to muslims such as yourself continue intransigently to have faith without evidence and spout complete and utter arrantly retarded, overtly asinine, fallacy laden, non-sequitur filled fucking nonsense despite my clear and cogent rebuttals and explanations on demand is all that is needed to continue to not accept islam with no problems whatsoever.
the problems are all yours. continue to ignore the evidence and reasoned argumentation all want.
volound 1 month ago
@volound yeah without faith but what the QURAN has mentioned 1400 years ago todays science is finding out now does that make islam wrong or right is that enough evidence. so dinosaurs thought they will morph into birds because they thaught it would be safe to do so, Oh wait there is a talking human that has a brain that can problem solve, shit lets go back to being dinosaurs again.
20123253 1 month ago
@20123253 utter drivel.
if any god exists, you are insulting him with your thoughtlessness. your unwillingness to learn exactly HOW life evolved is an insult to the grandiose of his purported design.
you are the worst humanity has to offer.
volound 1 month ago
@volound me isulting ALLAH ha its you people that insult the truth thats been sent why dont you and your scientist find god and bring dinosaurs back to life oh and how can i forget the little microbes that help build a 80ft long dinosaur. Inform your scientist to help teach monkeys english i mean thats proof they can do all this because science says so.
20123253 1 month ago
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@20123253
"they can do all this because science says so"
You are using the fruits of science right now to demonstrate your ignorance of the subject of science to the world...
"if monkeys are in 98% genetic to human why cant the they say some word in english but a parrot that does not have much genetics to human at all say a couple of word so that means a parrot is a human in the form a bird"
If you had GENUINE interest in the answer, you would've GOOGLED it. You're not here to learn.
TurboDally 1 month ago
@20123253 if animals such monkeys (cursed humans that boudmouthed islam) are in 98% genetic to human which i believe islams says so but why cant the they say some word in english. But a parrot that does not have much genetics to human at all say a couple of word so that means a parrot is a human in the form a bird but it just learnt how to fly by the help of british airways.
20123253 1 month ago
@20123253 im done with you. you cant be reasoned with.
if you want me to respond to anything you say, display a rudimentary understanding of the subjects in question.
if you respond with more drivel, you will be blocked.
volound 1 month ago
@volound oh thats it you proved that science is more worthy than islam when not even once you could backup how science went on se how Adam and eve did not exist i just told you my view of what islam said. Block me but remember this islam cannot be be beaten by scientist beside saying harsh things about it. Take some babies to the moon and create evoloution over there. why not just grow trees on the moon oh wait it's the only world that has trees bring a change to the laws of gravity.
20123253 1 month ago
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@20123253
"you proved that science is more worthy than islam"
Science is based on rational inquiry, evidence. Islam is based on authority and dogmatism.
"islam cannot be be beaten by scientist"
No moronic fairy tale that makes the follower dismiss reality can be beaten by scientists XD
"the moon oh wait it's the only world that has trees bring a change to the laws of gravity"
Trees don't do anything to gravity. You can't be this stupid, surely you're a troll???
TurboDally 1 month ago
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@20123253
"so dinosaurs thought they will morph into birds because they thaught it would be safe to do so"
This is how evolution works? Ahahahaha! You know what, I bet those imams do a really good job of educating you about the opposing views in an "fair and balanced" manner XD When there are robbers chasing me, I'll grow wings and fly to safety!
TurboDally 1 month ago
quran mention how mankind was made and it was not ascended by the genetics of monkeys or passed down from dinosaurs. ADAM(pbuh) was made by 4 differnet clays of this world and life was put into him, monkeys however were human that disobeyed god so their faces were changed into monkeys (we say) and also an animal called a pig, yes science is begining to wonder why are these two animal genetics comman in humans. heart of pig and the behaviour of a monkey. now u tell me how adam came.
20123253 1 month ago
@20123253 "ADAM(pbuh) was made by 4 differnet clays "
its cute that you go to the length of saying "pbuh" when we know for a fact that adam didnt exist. go and talk to a biologist about this, read a biology textbook. you are wasting my time with your blatant and overt ignorance.
volound 1 month ago
@volound yes i know but other facts that i mentioned about monkey and pig they were humans cursed by ALLAH.see the problem with you is that your to ignorant its only times like this when you know what science is proving now was mentioned in the quran but in in the later future they will end up announcing that adam and eve did exist, then what eh you going to go by the book. ignorance ha i follow something that science is mentioning now, that makes you ignorant.
20123253 1 month ago
@20123253 "yes i know but other facts that i mentioned about monkey and pig they were humans cursed by ALLAH"
like i said, this is demonstrably false. you wont find a single biologist that agrees with this utter nonsense. this is worse than the talking snake and the flying pegasus. its a clearly invented myth that makes you religious zealots the laughing stock of the intellectual elite (or even, the non-extremely-gullible.)
you need to sort your brain out. youre full of shit.
volound 1 month ago
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"Evolution is no longer a theory, it is simply a fact." - Ernst Mayr (a Book)
lxAgnosticxl 2 months ago
Where is the theory of relativity in the quran? It is no where to be found. Everything in the crackpot, woman-hating quran is all fairytale.
kangsan2014 2 months ago
It's a nice vid!!
It should tell us something about the intentions of this self proclaimed doctor...
It actually reminds me of the pope desperately telling people in Africa not to use condoms despite of Aids..
TTFLS 2 months ago
I must say you're brave to make a video like this. Dr. Zakir Naik is a very popular figure in India and on youtube. Many drones will go at great lengths to defend his ignorance and distortion of facts. Hes probably one of the most ignorant people I've ever seen and he constantly makes ignorant comparisons with is faith and past scientific discoveries. but I hope more videos pop up about this prick and his ignorant fantasy. But great video man.
Reido2828 3 months ago
What an ignorant he is. Darwin theory is a proven fact. Quran needs to be reconciled. It does not fit the with moder science that is a fact.
Nice1768 3 months ago
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@Nice1768 buddy go to school, you might learn something, Darwin's theory has been proved wrong long back. ;)
sarkarsakib 3 months ago
Its really very Educative Rational & Logical Video Nice work
sanket13x 3 months ago
foolish video.
science keeps changing every day.
consider the example of light..
science said tht light travels in a straight line..
then they said tht every thing has particle nature and wave nature..
so light does not travel in a straight line...
science is an idea put forward by humans
some are proved right and some are not
and most of which were proved right at one time had been proved wrong today
Quran is the word of god.. so there cant be any error
kingazeemrules 3 months ago
@kingazeemrules anything we know, we know because of science and not because of the qur'an. science changes every day because it is homing in on the truth. it is self-correcting.
religion is weak because it cannot change. it is stuck being false. almost no muslims are scientists. almost no scientists are muslims.
volound 3 months ago 7
@volound I didnt believed it either but then I searched and researched.... Muslims are behind the basis of majority of branches of science. Thats what is known as Golden Period. After that, they started fighting each other for power, left the knowledge (what they call ilm) and Europe rises from dark ages to this modern science on those basics established by Muslims. Quran PROVIDES scientific facts, and I, as researcher dont hesitate to accept it.
mhfateen 2 months ago
@mhfateen "I didnt believed it either but then I searched and researched.... Muslims are behind the basis of majority of branches of science. Thats what is known as Golden Period."
golden period of arab science, not islamic science. they owe their science as much to their beards as they do to islam.
/watch?v=vy1gvrgyj8U
"Quran PROVIDES scientific facts"
like birds wouldnt be able to fly without god. like you were made of clay. like a flat earth. smashing scientific facts bro.
volound 2 months ago
@volound spherical earth, not flat. I seen that myself.
What Muslims believe is that everything is made by God. God created atmosphere having air, and provided birds wings and tail that helps them to fly. So ultimately God made them fly. its like a=b and b=c, so a=c. This is how it is believed and said.
mhfateen 2 months ago
@mhfateen "spherical earth, not flat. I seen that myself."
me too. would have been great if the qur'an said it, instead of letting its adherents continue to believe in a flat earth for centuries.
"God created atmosphere having air, and provided birds wings and tail that helps them to fly. So ultimately God made them fly."
no, its worse than that im afraid.
qur'an 16:79 says allah is what allows birds to fly. it doesnt mention or describe the bernoulli principle.
volound 2 months ago
@volound Secondly, about your argument about theory and fact is not satisfying to me. There are numerous theories about 12/2012 that world is going to end: 1. because of alien invasion, 2. because of sun flairs, 3. because of nuclear war, 4. because of mayan prediction etc etc. All contradicting theories cant be facts. Theory is a TRY/EFFORT to explain an event, which can be true or cant be true. When its established, it is called law/fact in science. Before that, just theory.
mhfateen 2 months ago
@mhfateen This video already addresses the difference between a 'scientific theory' and the everyday term 'theory'.
All the nonsense about 'the world going to end' is not mainstream science. Therefore, not a scientific theory. And therefore, an every day meaning of the word theory.
Life exists = fact!
What causes life to exist = theory
So in science, unless something is a fact, it can't be called a theory. And scientists know that theory is the most important term.
Ganstaz003 2 months ago
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mhfateen 2 months ago
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@Ganstaz003 According to oxford dictionary "a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something".
You can propose theories to justify a course of action but it doesnt mean that what you are saying is true and correct. That can be correct, can be wrong. All I'm saying is that Darwin's reasoning to say that we grown up from single cell to multi-cell organism inside the water and then came out on soil can be wrong, can be right. No one knows. We have right to go for or against it.
mhfateen 2 months ago
@mhfateen A scientific law is more like an equation which applies in practical situation. A theory then explains that law.
Ganstaz003 2 months ago
@mhfateen you are misinformed. gangstaz003 is correct.
you are conflating the everyday definition of theory with the scientific definition. whether you do this deliberately or not i am unsure, but this very video explains in great detail this error, and you commit it anyway. i am worried. why would you do that?
a theory is the greatest status a scientific proposition can attain. theories dont graduate and become "laws" or "facts".
it helps to watch the video you are commenting on.
volound 2 months ago
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mhfateen 2 months ago
@volound No its not deliberately! lets put it this way. Why is it that numerous scientific theories are proven wrong or altered with another theory? Because new fact/truth comes in? No! Because old description of an event is replaced by new and better opinion/description with new argument/evidences. So, even scientific theories can be wrong just like daily life theories. Scientific theories can be wrong , can be right. Being scientific doesnt make them absolute truth. Cant simplify more.
mhfateen 2 months ago
@mhfateen it is a fact that humans evolved. evolution by natural selection is the best theory for explaining this fact and facts like it. evolution replaced lamarckism just as newtonian physics replaced aristotelian physics and was replaced by relavitistic physics.
if you expect us to one day find out that humans didnt evolve, and that adam and eve really did exist, you are deluded and overwhelmingly ignorant.
volound 2 months ago
@volound do you have a brain or what. try fitting the whole of science in one book that has 800 pages you cant, the QURAN mentions world changing facts it's states things like honey has lots of cures for different diseases, earthquakes will begin to increase, more bloodshed will begin to happen, muslims will be the enemys to non believers, these are mentioned in the quran (and i can go on all day). see these are world changing facts not science. ISLAM is not science.
20123253 1 month ago
@20123253 that doesnt cut it im afraid.
the qur'an is not careful to avoid making claims that trespass on the realm of science. it fecklessly attempts to explain (to an extent) how humans (adam) were made, how the earth and the universe was made, how birds fly, how mountains stop earthquakes, how salt and fresh water are immiscible, embryology etc.
it uses many words and conveys little/no correct information. it gets worse. science disproves the qur'an explicitly (evolution).
volound 1 month ago 2
@volound you forget that i mentioned only world changing facts are mention its not a book of science didnt i mention that earlier. so your a believer of science rather than religion i accept that. you want proof of god you want to know how all this came about. Now you tell me if god shows himself to the world at this present time and say that this creation is mine you will believe it but its only a matter of 10 generation down the line it will be noted as a load of bullshit.
20123253 1 month ago
@20123253 you dont seem to have even bothered to read my comment.
read it again please.
volound 1 month ago
@volound QURAN mentions the big bang theory the expnasions of the universe the time it took ALLAH(swt) to make all this. i mean if there is not enough proof for you then why is science proving these theories now. it was written 1400 years ago if the theories today are relating why cant you people accept that the quran is ahead and it's just ignorance that prevails amongst people to prove that islam is wrong, it's not wrong theres no if's or buts in ISLAM. word of ALLAH 100%
20123253 1 month ago
@20123253 "QURAN mentions the big bang theory the expnasions of the universe the time it took ALLAH(swt) to make all this."
physicists disagree. which is why they are almost never muslim.
and they also disagree that the heavens and the earth were "cloven asunder". the earth is 33% of the age of the universe, the universe and earth were not one then split.
thats the most blatantly obvious error i can recall, there are many more. you should read some science books. it would help.
volound 1 month ago
@volound do i care if pysicist agree or disagree why cant people understand. it's like me saying yeah psychologist knows how the brain works 100% thats bullshit so how does the brain problem solve er i dont no. why are most facts mentioned 1400 years ago and you people are finding out now. if you can explain that and then i will leave ISLAM. islam also mention that people will look for cures for such diseases but they will not able to find them. AIDS, Cancer, alzheimer's.
20123253 1 month ago
@20123253 "do i care if pysicist agree or disagree"
alright then. in that case, i dont care what you say or think. you are just like the mormons that believe native americans are a lost jewish tribe. if you are willing to go against the overwhelming scientific concensus on no evidencial basis, your opinion is worthless. that is quite simply a moronic position to hold. your descendants will look back on you and your way of thinking with shame and contempt, as i do now.
volound 1 month ago
@volound yeah my decendants will look back on me and laugh. but what will more funny is about the theory of Einstein when he claimed that the the final war will be fought with sticks and stone where it also mention in the quran that the last war will be fought with stick and stones. sounds funny when cures for cancer wont be found sounds funny that death cannot be stopped, sounds funny that witchcraft exist, sounds funny monkeys will soon become talking humans. wow now i must be stupid.
20123253 1 month ago
@20123253 "the theory of Einstein when he claimed that the the final war will be fought with sticks and stone where it also mention in the quran that the last war will be fought with stick and stones"
*facepalm*
einstein didnt say anything whatsoever about a last war. he said that world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones. he was remarking on how weaponry has advanced to the extent that another war would set civilisation back millenia.
volound 1 month ago
@20123253 so there you go, you somehow managed to completely blooper that as i explained. are you not a muslim any more? ,,thats what i thought.
but even if i grant your insane claim that einstein vindicates the qur'an... is that really how your brain works? is your mind really that riddled with non-sequiturs.
the qur'an says it... einstein agrees with it... therefore its true?
wow, how utterly moronic.
you forgot to mention that einstein wasnt a muslim. he wasnt even a jew.
volound 1 month ago
@20123253 i could dismantle each of those insanely idiotic rambling claims of yours, but im not going to bother. its clear to anyone reading this that you have made a massive fool of yourself. im glad the majority of muslims are as stupid and nonsensically asinine as you. if muslims were to come on here and talk sense, that would make me worry.
id hate to be an intellectual muslim, knowing my flank is held by morons such as yourself. witchcraft.. lol. get a grip.
volound 1 month ago
@volound explain one only. That monkey will become humans someday am sure science backs this one up, talk?
20123253 1 month ago
@20123253 thats like saying "will europeans become americans one day?" you dont understand evolution if you need to ask such a mindlessly stupid question. open a biology textbook. it saddens me that there are people like you that dont have the information explaining how life diversified. how pointlessly depriving. its like choosing to believe that stars are just woven patterns on a fabric instead of cosmic crucibles that forge all the atoms to ever exist INCLUDING US.
volound 1 month ago
@20123253 ill give you a chance though. ill spend time helping you to understand (even though i didnt need any help), if necessary. its the least i can do for a fellow human.
/watch?v=t3k0dDFxkhM
volound 1 month ago
@kingazeemrules He has clearly explained what a theory is and what a fact is. Why don't you people understand? Anyone with a brain can understand that evolution is true and verifiable. It's the best description of the beauty, complexity and diversity of life on Earth. Only an absolute nut like Zakhir Naik can say that evolution is wrong!
pleasantleethedragon 3 months ago
@kingazeemrules yes you are right Brother Science is changing every day new discoveries are made everyday :D
watch?v=HKzXzCCVC1I&feature=g-all
sanket13x 3 months ago
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@volound
My friend, these scientist do not have 4 heads. They are just people like u and I. Also, scientists know its just a theory put forward to fill the vacuum just like creation. However, creation was revealed 1st by religious people and when the theory of evolution was put forward, the non-religious people seized it with alarcrity to defend their non-belief. Have u ever considered that evolution can not disprove creation and that both are correct? E.g. Evolution occured after Creation?
jjjeh1 4 months ago
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jjjeh1 4 months ago
He is a hypochrite and ignorant man.
Kabir1024 4 months ago 2
Human beings have 98% of Chimpanzee genes, & more than 70% Pigs or dog's genes, in their DNA. This is not a theory but a fact. It will be same for Mohammed too. What is the most likely explanation? Did Allah give Chimpanzee or Pig's
gene to Mohammed or is it result of evolution?
aer67pi50yoo32sw 5 months ago
@aer67pi50yoo32sw interesting way of looking at it, thanks.
volound 5 months ago
@aer67pi50yoo32sw It might be good to add that in science when a hypothesis is proven correct, it either becomes a "theory" or "law".
Scientific theories when not debunked by peers, are classed as sound facts
Omnislash2000 4 months ago
And I quote from my physics professor...
"Scientific Theories are intended to be an accurate, predictive description of the natural world."
Zakir Naik doesn't know what scientific theory means clearly.
Omnislash2000 4 months ago
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jjjeh1 5 months ago
this man is a fool
alikool0001 5 months ago
If I would be interested in joining a religion that respects my human nature it would be
1) i am free to reason, debate and question and discuss the teachings
2) it should contribute to me being a happier and better person
3) it shoud give me peace and those around me and my neigbours
Islam could give me none of that
1) i have to be afraid and careful not to mention anything or question anything muhammed says 2 slitting throats of hostages will not make me a good person3 peace?
hetismij21 6 months ago
you are wrong Mr. Zakir. I thought you were smart guy !!
87everest 6 months ago
@87everest you did? interesting..
are you a muslim? is that how you know about him?
did this video change your views on zakir naik or did they just confirm what you already knew?
volound 6 months ago
@volound Do you not think that the man speaking (I don't know if that's you) is paying too much attention to defenitions? Maybe Zaik did use the words wrong. But shouldn't we focus on what he meant and take the argument from there? I think we undertsand what he means by "theory". And I didn't hear him say that he doesn't believe in evolution. He only said that it wasn't a fact. Of course, I don't know the whole context of his speech. Also, I would avoid the word "fact". I find it dangerous.
KrfNYC2 6 months ago
@KrfNYC2 "Maybe Zaik did use the words wrong."
he obviously did.
"But shouldn't we focus on what he meant and take the argument from there?"
the video addresses what he means. he is wrong semantically and conceptually.
"And I didn't hear him say that he doesn't believe in evolution"
he does, elsewhere.
"He only said that it wasn't a fact"
which is wrong.
"Also, I would avoid the word "fact". I find it dangerous."
thats irrational. the concept of "fact" is very useful.
volound 6 months ago
@volound I didn't watch the whole video. Perhaps I should have. So maybe the video does address what he means later on. Now this is why I think the word "fact" is dangerous. You seem to think that evolution is a fact. Now there may be a lot of very strong evidence supporting evolution, but I have a hard time believeing that it would be strong enough for me to say, "Yes, I now see that evolution is a fact." I say this because, how do you KNOW that you're not wrong?
KrfNYC2 6 months ago
@KrfNYC2 the notion of absolute certainty is not one that i find useful or of any utility.
to the extent we can know anything, to the extent that i can say i exist, or that the universe exists, i can also say that i know evolution is true.
maybe you are unaware of the sheer, stupendous weight of the evidence. scientists line up overwhelmingly on one side of this issue, so does all of the documentation we could possibly expect to, should evolution be a fact.
volound 6 months ago
@volound You're rigth that I don't know how much evidence has been accumulated. I haven't looked at it. So I won't comment on the quality of it. But all I am saying is that I have never felt comfortable saying that I KNOW anything. So I imagine that the case would be the same in regards to evolution. Do you feel as though you KNOW that evolution is a FACT?
KrfNYC2 6 months ago
@KrfNYC2 to the extent we can know anything, to the extent that i can say i KNOW i exist, or that i KNOW the universe exists, i can also say that i KNOW evolution is true.
like i said, i dont value or speak in terms of absolute certainty.
volound 6 months ago
@volound Oh, okay. I understand what you're saying. So when you say that you know to the extent we can know anything, what you're really saying is 'I don't know". It's like saying, "I can jump to the clouds to the same extent that I can jump to the moon". But if you don't speak in terms of absolute certainty, then why do you use the word fact? From my understand a fact is something that is known to be true. No?
KrfNYC2 6 months ago
@KrfNYC2 "So when you say that you know to the extent we can know anything, what you're really saying is 'I don't know""
no. im saying that to the extent i know i exist, i know evolution is true. the evidence is that compelling.
"It's like saying, "I can jump to the clouds to the same extent that I can jump to the moon"
weird analogy. a more apt one would be "i know 2+2=5 is false, to the same extent i know intelligent design is false"
volound 6 months ago
@KrfNYC2 "But if you don't speak in terms of absolute certainty, then why do you use the word fact?"
because im talking about practical knowledge. most people dont even understand absolute certainty.
most people claim to "know" they exist. they are talking about practical knowledge. obviously, if explained, they will realize that they are not absolutely certain, and might not exist.
i say i "know" evolution is true in the same way i say i "know" i exist. practical knowledge, not absolute.
volound 6 months ago
@volound I get what you're saying. But you would have to be careful about that. When you go up to someone and say "I know evolution is true" you would have to explain to them everything that you just told me in order for them to understand that you don't claim to have absolute certainty. Because that's what to know is. No?
KrfNYC2 6 months ago
@KrfNYC2 "But you would have to be careful about that. When you go up to someone and say "I know evolution is true" you would have to explain to them everything that you just told me in order for them to understand"
no, pretty much every person ive ever talked to knows exactly what i mean. youre the first person to ever invoke the demonstrably useless notion of absolute certainty.
volound 6 months ago
@volound Well I'm sure you could understand. You pointed out Naik's misuse of a word according to it's definition. So I am doing the same to you. But I'm glad that you don't claim to know. I find it strange that some people are comfortable saying they know anything.
KrfNYC2 6 months ago
@KrfNYC2 words are tools used to convey intended meaning. when someone says they "know" something, i dont feel the need to remind them that the knowledge they claim is based on assertions concerning the nature of reality. its not necessary.
do you have a problem with the statement;
"to the extent that we can say we know gravity is true, we can also say we know evolution is true"?
volound 6 months ago
@volound Well that statement conveys the message clearly (I'm not very comfortable with it but I get it). If somebody just said "I know that evolution is true" I may very well think that they truly believe that they know. And that's what I thought you were saying. So that is why I questioned you. Now I understand.
KrfNYC2 6 months ago
@volound In the meantime brother, I reccomend that you make more videos of exposing Zakir Naik, It will really be helpful to everyone. And can you reccomend me the best book I can read on evolution which you may have encountered to give the best knowledge? And previously, you stated you went to a local mosque and asked question to the imam regarding Evolution. Me being a muslim, what are few irrefutable questions you think I can ask to an imam? Please share. It will really help me.
Ganstaz003 6 months ago
@Ganstaz003 the most important thing to note is that ALL the evidence we would expect to see if evolution were true, is ALL THERE.
for example, atavisms and vestigial organs. also the fossil record is VERY, VERY convincing. we have thousands of transitional fossils.
the "tiktaalik" is a notable example of a fossil that we predicted the existence of using evolution.
evolution is taught at ALL credible educational instututions.. harvard, yale, cambridge, oxford etc. etc.
volound 6 months ago
@volound Thanks dude. To be honest, I have very little knowledge regarding evolution so I will try out the books you've reccomended. Also, I will view any other video you upload regarding evolution as well. I'm going to be visiting a few mosque's soon, so I'm prepared to ask the imam's of all the mosque's a question or two regarding evolution. This will test either their ignorance, or their knoledge about evolution. And again, Thanks for your help.
Ganstaz003 6 months ago
@Ganstaz003 im afraid i dont have many videos on this. my channel went in a completely different direction shortly after uploading these.
but i still care passionately about evolution and like to read about it.
if you need anything else, just come by and ill be glad to help.
there are some brilliant channels out there on evolution.
/whyevolutionistrue is probably the best one. has a great selection of documentaries on evolution. ive spent dozens of hours watching their videos.
good luck :)
volound 6 months ago
@volound Hello mate, nice to talk to you again.
I just had a question or two regarding evolution that I feel I should ask you about. However, considering you don't like pm, what would be the ideal way I can go on about it?
Should I post the questions on your wall or shall I ask in here?
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 hello again, always good to hear back from people on here.
either is completely fine, whatever would be the easiest for you, or the most conducive to the discussion, i suppose.
volound 4 months ago
@volound Okay, lets discuss it hear then.
The first question I wanted to ask is, when you claim 'the notion of absolute certainty is something I find of no value''. What exactly do you mean by that?
You say 2 + 2 = 4 but is not 'absolute certain', how do you justify 'it is not absolute certain'.
It is an interesting statement because I had a debate with my muslim friend recently and this argument came up. I used it but had trouble justifying it.
Please answer this and I'll come back for more
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 well, we make certain assumptions about the universe in order to learn from it.
first of all, that we exist. secondly, that the universe exists. and thirdly, that we can learn from it.
these three assumptions are universal among all of us (except from solipsists).
we dont "KNOW" that we exist. we dont "KNOW" that the universe exists. we could be a brain in a vat. this could all be a program running on a computer.
we have no way of "KNOWING" that it isnt, but we are "quite" sure.
volound 4 months ago
@volound Okay, it makes a bit more sense now.
Now my main few questions regarding evolution are:
1) Why isn't there any 'giant human fossil' in any science institution? Apparently Archaeologists have found skeletons of giant humans who lived on this planet. Does that disprove evolution?
2) How do you refute many of the common arguments raised by creationist against evolution?
I'll come back to some of the 'common arguments' after you answer my first question.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 "Why isn't there any 'giant human fossil' in any science institution? Apparently Archaeologists have found skeletons of giant humans who lived on this planet."
this is not accepted by mainstream science. this is just misinformation spread by creationists that believe humans used to be 20 cubits tall and live to the age of 600.
"Does that disprove evolution?"
it absolutely would if it was true. just like fossil rabbits in the precambrian would.
volound 4 months ago
@volound Well the reason (according to creationists) for the finding not to be in 'mainstream science' is because the scientist that make those discoveries happen to be 'creationists' and they get labelled as one. In other words, they don't get enough credit for their discoveries as much as the evolutionist do.
How would you go on to refute that claim?
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 well, thats not how science works. science is a self-correcting process. the scientific method is very rigorous and is the best we have for eliminating personal bias like that you describe the creationists of complaining of.
there was a point where darwin was the only one that knew about evolution. if science worked like creationists describe, unfamiliar and strange notions wouldnt proliferate throughout the scientific community. they clearly do, all the time.
volound 4 months ago
@volound That's a good point you made there. I see your perspective
Now there is one last argument I would like you to refute for today.
That is, the claim that long term evolution has to be proved with long - term observation. that is by the definition of science. As science is about observation of the physical world.
Answer this please, and I'll leave you alone. I hope I'm not bothering or taking too much of your time.
These questions should inspire you to make a video in the future.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 certainly not. i like to explain things to people, its just how i am. so dont worry at all about asking.
lets take something long-term, like pluto orbiting the sun. that process takes something like 288 years. the human lifespan is only around 80. at its longest, 125. its safe to say that nobody has ever observed pluto orbit the sun. but we know it happens because we see the steps in real-time. we can explain how it happens and make predictions with it. evolution is the same.
volound 4 months ago
@volound That makes good sense.
Thanks for taking the times to answer my questions. I'm currently doing a research about religions and science.
I'm a Muslim who has made the decision to apostate. But before I do so, I'm looking into studying other religions such as Christianity, Hinduism etc. This will allow me to remain non - ignorant.
As for science, i'm doing a lot of research on evolution for it's validity. So you would expect me to come back here again anytime soon.
Take care for now.
Ganstaz003 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 good luck with your research, dont ever stop reading and learning, thats when you get things very wrong. and sincerest congratulations for having the balls to do what most religious people cant and wont.
if you to said to me you had two hours of your time to spend on this issue, i would recommend very highly a series of videos by aronra called "the foundational falsehoods of creationism".
(contd)
volound 4 months ago
@Ganstaz003 (contd) although this issue deserves much more than 2 hours, that is a great place to start/continue. also, might want to check out the CEMB forums, loads of people in your exact situation with the same questions and ideas (and maybe even fears/worries) as you.
as always, feel free to ask me anything. i dont know everything, by any means, but i know a lot of great resources for this kind of thing and will assist in any way i can.
good luck, look forward to hearing back from you.
volound 4 months ago
@volound Hey, I've just returned from doing a thorough research of Christianity from the last time we talked.
In doing my research, I've found that Christianity is not much different from Islam. Infact, they are both very similar in many ways and the evident shows why. Which is why Christians and Muslims always like to insult each other's religions.
Ganstaz003 3 months ago
@volound I myself lean towards more to the non - religious theistic side. I believe in a god without a religion now that I've left Islam.
I am not an atheist but I am an anti - religous person. I believe religion is not compatible with god. All religions (especially the abrahamic ones) are equally bad as each other. They divide people, cause hatred and so on.
The only religion that could considered 'peaceful' is Buddhism and maybe Hinduism. They don't cause hatred like the Abrahamic ones.
Ganstaz003 3 months ago
@Ganstaz003 both hinduism and buddhism have many atrocities to their name.
jainism is the only truly peaceful religion, as far as i can tell.
but there is no like between how peaceful/violent a religion is and how true/false it is.
volound 3 months ago
@volound Mankind started off with about 7000 distinct languages before. But the rate of languages disappearing is one every two weeks. Sourced from Los Angeles Times article. If we are going through an evolutionary process, then why don't we have more than 7000 languages now?
Ganstaz003 3 months ago
@Ganstaz003 well thats linguistics. evolution is biology and deals purely with a very small aspect of biology.. isnt that like asking germ theory to comment on how mountains form etc.?
and im not sure what you mean about "mankind started off with about 7000 distinct languages", do you mean that we had about 7000 languages when we were at our most diverse?
on a side note, even if evolution had its foot in the door with this subject, id still expect languages to die off quickly.
volound 3 months ago
@volound Yes, I do mean that.
Also, just a quick question aside to the current question.
What are some strong evidence from Macro - Evolution? You gave me the 'tiktaalik' and 'atvatism' evidence but they are evidence for Micro - Evolution.
Could you please state some distinctions between the two and specifically give me evidence for Macro - Evolution?
Ganstaz003 2 months ago
@Ganstaz003 i still dont understand why you think linguistics has anything to do with the veracity of evolution than.. say... geology. if you could explain the apparent conflict a bit more overly and clearly, ill see what i can do. right now theres no connection that im aware of.
and id rather discuss one thing at a time until there is a resolution and closure. i will answer your other questions, but id prefer to deal with one issue at a time.
volound 2 months ago
@volound Okay. So according to an article I've read, it says ''7000 distinct languages disappear every 14 days".
So if evolution was true, then there must be a process of 7000 languages continuing. Isn't it?
There must be some sort of 'linguistic evolution'. I'm not sure but I'm familiar that language also evolves.
Correct me if I'm wrong as I am only seeking for the truth.
Ganstaz003 2 months ago
@Ganstaz003 "So if evolution was true, then there must be a process of 7000 languages continuing. Isn't it?"
i dont see why. its a massive non-sequitur.
"There must be some sort of 'linguistic evolution'. I'm not sure but I'm familiar that language also evolves."
"evolution" has more than one meaning. if we are talking about the biology meaning, it would be anathema to logic to try and involve the others
3:20 of this very video explains that words can have more than one meaning.
volound 2 months ago
@volound Okay, I am now forced to admit that my question was a bit flawed. So I'll have a deeper look at the question again and reflect upon it and then proceed to asking you in a day or two by phrasing the question more coherently.
Could you now please answer my question regarding the macro - evolution?
Thanks
Ganstaz003 2 months ago
@Ganstaz003 "What are some strong evidence from Macro - Evolution? "
a google search on "observed instances of speciation" and a click of the top result is about the mose dense and robust example i can cite.
"You gave me the 'tiktaalik' and 'atvatism' evidence but they are evidence for Micro - Evolution."
tiktaalik was predicted using a model of evolution that depends on macro-evolution being true.
atavisms are symptomatic of massive morphological shifts at the species level.
volound 2 months ago
@Ganstaz003 (contd)
im not sure if ive already recommended the video series "foundational falsehoods of creationism" by aronra, but a particular 10 minute video addresses pretty much all of your questions right now. and the entire series probably covers everything you could ask.
here is the one in question
/watch?v=Dm277H3ot6Y
volound 2 months ago
@volound Actually you have. And I managed to find a video which contains all the episodes from Aronra into one video.
watch?v=bmQZ4f9f_Yw&list=LLtvCzVsblloMROgoAeWopYA
I've watched half of the video but not all. It doesn't have much to do with Islam though or does it?
From what I know, he seems to criticize Christianity more favorably. Sad that TheRationalizer is leaving.
Ganstaz003 2 months ago
@Ganstaz003 yeah its a great series that i would recommend to anyone.
and no, not much with islam. most critiques of christianity and christian creationism apply to islam though, especially regarding evolution (but you know that). hes from the bible belt in america, so hes heavily biased towards christianity and his videos were made at a time when christians were running rampant on youtube.
and its very sad, yeah. rationalizer is a great guy and does brilliant work. its a shame.
volound 2 months ago
@volound Actually, I just wanted to point out that it was because of TheRationalizer that I left Islam. He played a 75% factor in my apostasy.
I however, have to thank you the most. This is because I found out about the TheRationalizer through you. When I first added you as a friend, I saw you liked the video 'Quran Muhammad's flat earth.
This was actually the first video I ever watched of his. After that, I went through his complete channel and found the truth about Islam.
Ganstaz003 2 months ago
@volound I really hope someone could come and replace him. Out of 1000 people, even if 5 manage to apostate, it is still really useful.
It would be really nice to see someone like Aronra to focus more on Islam like he does on Christianity. Maybe there is a chance I hope in the future.
Ganstaz003 2 months ago
@volound Currently, I am researching the theory of evolution.
In doing my research, I have found some critical questions coming to mind regarding evolution which will test the authenticity validity of the theory.
I challenge you to give sufficient answers to my questions by staying on topic without dodging anything.
I will pose series of questions per post.
I ask your permission first. If you allow me, let me know so I can proceed with the questions.
I will be pos
Ganstaz003 3 months ago
@Ganstaz003 ok, ill do my best.
volound 3 months ago
@volound Ye dekho MashAllah theek wohi karthe hain Mullayen Jub Musalman ke khilaaf ladna hotho poori tharha maidaan mein haazir. Hamesha record raha hai jub bhi Aalam-e-Musalmaan ki shikasth huee Eesaaee ya Yahoodi ya Hindu ke haathon , Inn logon nein musalmaan ko hi isthemaal kiya. Aaj bhi yehi horaha hai Fathwe jaari ho rahe hain Dr. Zakir Naik ke khilaaf.
Shawcus 6 months ago
Respond to this video.Essaee/yahoodi/ Hindu Islam ke khilaaf, Qur’an ke khilaaf aur Nabi(SAS) ke khilaf bola tho yehi Dr. Zaki jawaab dethe .Ek bhi Mullah himmath nahi kiya kuch kahne ki Dushman-E-Islam ke khilaaf. Aur aaj Dr.Zakir Naik ke saath baithkar iss masle ka hal nikaala jaasaktha hai uss waqth lage mic pe dahaaden lagaane. Aaj ke daur mein Dushman inn Mullaon ko isthemaal karrahe hain. Thaake muh thod jawaab dene waala Dr.Zakir Naik ko chup karaaya jaa sake...
Shawcus 6 months ago
@Shawcus post a coherent, intelligible comment i may consider reading past the second line.
volound 6 months ago
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jjjeh1 7 months ago
@volound
EVOLUTION cannot disprove CREATION (Parts 1 - 5)
P1
I am scientifically literate and doubt Evolution. Also Darwin that proposed Evolution was a devout Christian. He just put down his observations which indicated a link between genera and also species. He voiced a possible evolution without meaning for it to supersede creationism. He died before he could expound further on his thoughts.
jjjeh1 8 months ago
@jjjeh1 im sorry, but you simply cannot be scientifically literate and doubt evolution.
and "evolution cannot disprove creation", is just trite, banal and a waste of my time to even read.
do you have any original arguments/thoughts? because everything that isnt original has been tried and tested and failed.
volound 6 months ago
P2
Now I, in the field of Genetics know about mutations and can engineer mutations in the labs. Also, in nature mutations lead to variants of species. Extrapolating as a scientist I can understand the possibility (not truth) of Evolution - which is exactly the only evidence for possible evolution. Your primitive man / fossils and the rest of such "evidence" are only possible evidences not confirmed as supporting evolution yet.
jjjeh1 8 months ago
P3
That’s why more and more fossils are being gathered to find a definite link. But even when a link is found, that would still not prove evolution. Because how can you possibly prove God did not create all these different species including current man (homo sapiens) and some have just died out at different periods
of history due to survival of the fittest rather than evolved.
jjjeh1 8 months ago
P4
You see, survival of the fittest is the other side of evolution that scientist believe more in than evolution. But lay people, even some scientists like urself mistake survival of the fittest theory as evolution theory. Survival of the fittest is compatible with creation theory. And even evolution cannot disprove creation. Why ? God could have created whatever it was that after started evolving. So any way you look at it, CREATION cannot be DISPROVED and can be contained in either theory.
jjjeh1 8 months ago
P5
If you are an evolved smart animal, use your brain and arrive at the truth- CREATION WINS and therefore is the ONLY TRUTH that explain all things. Actually, your disbelief question / other atheists question is really WHO CREATED GOD. No philosophy has been able to answer this and God did not tell us but may tell us when we see him in HEAVEN. Therefore prepare to go to HEAVEN if u want your question answered. Amen.
jjjeh1 8 months ago
C'mon Naik, as a physician you should know you are talking nonsense about Evolution. It is a fact. You being there, evolved from your f x 10 e10 is the evidence. Taking Quraanit literally is stupidity. Moon was not split, Noah's flood did not happen, JC was not born from a Virgin & Moses did not see Big G. Allah did not know that Mohammed could not read. Stop beguiling the innocent & ignorant. Educate them. There is no Eternal Life. Death is Final. Do the best you can for the next generation
amoralis123 8 months ago
Evolution is a fact. If you want evidence, just go to the museum and look for the (plaster casted, real ones wont be there) skeleton of homo erectus.
MonicaKn17 8 months ago
Big Bang Quran (1/2)
I am so happy about all the idiotic scientific claims being made by Muslims. Satan as always is setting them up for a Big Fall not just a Big Bang. Very soon, scientists will discover that the Big Bang theory is false. Already, they are trying the String theory. When the String Theory becomes well established as the most likely explanation and advanced tests disprove the Big Bang, what will Muslims do? I hope they will give up and trash their Quran with a Big BANGGG.
jjjeh1 8 months ago
Big Bang Quran (2/2)
How can they be so stupid after 1400yrs. They embrace a theory as if it is a proven law. Theory means it is not yet proven. How can these idiots hang their Quran and beliefs to science that is always changing and Zaik - a Dr leading them in such diabolical suicide. I really pity their future, it will definitely be a BIG BANGGGGGGGGGGGG.
jjjeh1 8 months ago
@jjjeh1 "They embrace a theory as if it is a proven law. Theory means it is not yet proven."
no. no. no. no. no..
you dont know what the word theory means, nor law, nor fact. open a fucking dictionary.
P.S. satan doesnt exist. if you believe that youre as gullible as the people you attempted to address with that rant.
volound 8 months ago 5