So I'm deciding between the Gh2 and the T2i. The lenses are pretty expensive on the Gh2, way more than Canon Eos lenses. Anybody have any feedback on that?
@BigBearfromthe206 The lenses that are more expensive on m4/3s are way better than the cheap lenses that Canon makes. If you compare Canon's high end "L" lenses to some of the Leica Panasonic lenses then you will see that the m4/3s lenses are much less expensive. Panasonic and Olympus make a lot of very good lenses. There are only a couple of inexpensive and lesser quality lenses that they make. You get what you pay for.
The pancake lens is only $200 now on Amazon. Are the lenses interchangeable with any Panasonic cameras? Also is there a way to get an adapter for the Panasonic Gh2 so it will fit lenses from say Canon or Nikon. I heard there was but Idk if its true.
@BigBearfromthe206 Yes you can get an adapter to fit any lens from any manufacturer onto an m4/3s camera. Just check ebay. They are usually arround $20-$40. However, the lenses will only operate in manual focus mode.
@EatMyWindow The Canon 50mm F1.4 and 55mm F1.2 are fairly close to the 14-45mm in focal length. However, the aperture is more than 4 stops brighter on those lenses than the 14-45mm. The 14-45mm is useless for most pictures indoors.
Hey do you know if the Olympus E-P3 Body will 100% Electroniclly interface with Lumix G Vario Lens
and do it without an Adapter containing the exact same wired 11 Pin Conductors as seen on panny lens and bodys that allow that lens to body cross'talk ?
if anyone wether or not you can answer my question im sure your one of the few who understand what i'm saying :)
Oly cameras seem to take better Jpegs the panasonic
but the oposite aplys on panasonic lens are 100% better :)
Yet befor i even received my first one i was looking at its add pic & i could see there were a bunch of brass looking contact pins behind the dust cap on the body where the lens attaches
so right away i knew those were electrical conductors which linkup to the lens & internal focusing motor,
with that said
also heard you can use adaptors & add other brand model lens that will work on GF2
question is
will others utilize those same pins 100% for full auto?
@chevypowertogo No, you can only use micro four thirds to natively auto focus on the GF1. You can auto focus with some four thirds lenses. However, that requires a special adapter with the corresponding pins. All lenses from other manufactures are strictly manual focus only.
@mpgxsvcd Is a camcorder better for video than the DSLR's? Which camera or camcorder is the best for video which includes image stabilization, auto focus, 1080p, etc? I know the Panasonic GH2 is probably the best DSLR for video, right? But does that make it better than any camcorder? I want the best of the best for video!!!!
I found this video fascinating! You use a ton of great glass, and I like your concept, but I think you need to adhere to more rigorous controls on your shooting conditions to give this exercise real value. I don't mean use a resolution chart, but a more fixed environment where we can identify variations would be great. Keep it up, I'm subscribing!
@newdimensionfilms Unless your shooting with a Nikon 3Ds or Canon 1D MKIV your camera probably has about 3-5 stops of usable ISO range. I have an F1.2 lens that gives me 5 stops advantage over the F5.6 Zoom lens I also use. The lens gives me the same 5 stops that my Panasonic GH2 ISO range can give me. However, the picture at F1.2 looks a lot better than the picture at ISO 3200. Aperture is definitely the most important factor in low light shooting.
Nothing that you just said countered the fact that ISO affects exposure just as much as aperture, you just said that you have access to a fast lens but not a high ISO camera. It's scientific fact that they are just as important in exposure. For that matter, shutter speed is also just as important, but can introduce motion blur.
@newdimensionfilms You are a right a stop of exposure is a stop of exposure no matter where it comes from. However, an increase of a stop of aperture exposure will produce a shallower depth of field which is typically considered to be more desirable. An increase of a stop of ISO exposure may yield an acceptable image. However, it will have more noise. Increasing exposure with aperture has less of a drawback than increasing ISO or decreasing shutter speed does.
Bottom line is if you can't change the camera for higher ISO, the lens is your next step for more light assuming a constant shutter. You want to stop at ISO 800 on this particular model if you are concerned about details. Much more leeway with a fast lens.
On this camera - and most other crop sensor cameras, large apertures are necessary for low light.
Bottom line is if you can't change the camera for higher ISO, the lens is your next step for more light assuming a constant shutter. You want to stop at ISO 800 on this particular model if you are concerned about details. Much more leeway with a fast lens.
On this camera - and most other crop sensor cameras, large apertures are necessary for low light.
@newdimensionfilms He's right - if image quality is what you're after, then aperture counts more than ISO in low light conditions. Even more so if you dont have a large image sensor - since all you're doing is allowing a small amount of light, shine onto a tiny sensor and trying to make up for the lack of light entered by mathematically interpreting what a higher amount of light WOULD have resulted in. It ends up looking grainy. So he's 100% correct there
No you're both wrong. Unless you have a really great lens, shooting wide open is going to decrease image quality a lot, yet most digital cameras with a 4/3 or bigger sensor can handle high isos amazingly.
@newdimensionfilms You dont need to buy a "great" lens to be sharp at wide open - most prime lenses are amazingly sharp at super-low f-values and unless you're buying leica or zeiss they are dirt cheap compared to zooms. But anyways - back to the above point: it depends what you're shooting. if the object is standing still, then open that aperture up - otherwise bump up the ISO if your subject is moving and you need to get a quick snap. But saying that the two are equivalent is bogus
"But saying that the two are equivalent is bogus"
When it comes to exposure, they are. Saying they aren't is "bogus." Also if you shoot at f/1.4 all the time you are not going to be able to get very much in focus.
@newdimensionfilms The sensor measures the quantum of light hitting it. The ISO of the sensor doesnt actually change like with film - what happens is the image processor "interprets" what a different light intensity would have produced. The interpretation is actually a pretty good approximation in most cases, but it breaks down when you significantly reduce the actual amount of light hitting the sensor since you're effectively culling data points which the model relies on.
@newdimensionfilms ... Tho the two may be of "equivalent" exposure, they wont produce equivalent quality images since one is an interpretation of light while the other is the actual light source. The smaller the sensor, the worse the problem. That said any entry level DSLR is so good these days you need to start going into 8000 ISO+ to see real degradation, so for the most part you can get away with it. However it still stands - for low light, let as much light in as you can get away with :)
Mpg, You said my 28-200mm = 56-400mm in the digi world and I would like to know what you mean when you say continuous aperture? thank you for responding.
I was useing a Nikon D-70 and N-80 film camera untill last week when my son purchased me a G2. I have a Tamron 28-200 and a Quantaray 28-90 with the NikonD mount. What sort of mount would I need to use them on my G2? I would also like to know what size/ lenght is my 28-200 in the digital world? Thank you so much and what a knowledgeabl video. I had no idea I could use my other lenses.
@MrScrappydue Every lens has a 2x crop factor on m4/3s cameras. Your 28-200 would become a 56-400mm! You can find Nikon adapters for m4/3s on ebay. They are usually between $20-$40 and they usually have continuous aperture control.
So from what I can see the 50mm Nikon and olympus' stills in low light (at 7.01 onwwards) outshines their video performance (at 5.15 onwards) by a huge margin. What adapter did you use for the olympus?
It is possible on older lenses, to remove the aperture ring and take out the small steel ball & spring that creates the click between aperture stops. That way you get stepless aperture control.
not to be biased, but the camera "look" is just not so attracting... i mean, they do not look as good as those of point and shoot. maybe they need to make it looks better to attract me to buy it. and in another review, not youtube. they have a lot of sample shots for this camera.. very shaky in some.. not going to recommend this one though.
Great effort for the greater benefit of all m43 buffs. Many thanks. I know you get this a lot by now and hopefully you can answer my question - I just got the same Canon FD 50mm f/1.4 ... could you provide more details on the Canon FD to m4/3 adapter you have? Also, is it possible to use this in stepless aperture mode with the said adapter for taking videos using the Panasonic Lumix G cameras? (I am waiting in my pre-ordered GH2).
@dipkat Search ebay for a seller called RainbowImaging. Or search for Canon M4/3 Adapter. You can also find direct links to the adapters in the descrition of my "Manual Focus Lens Review" video. Just click my username above and you will see it on the right side.
I have a pre-order in for the GH2 as well. It will be an incredible camera. They are supposed to start shipping in the US on Monday 11-22-10. Let us know if you get yours.
@borozonx Yes, you can use any Nikon lens in manual focus mode on m4/3s cameras. Just search for "Nikon G AF-S Lens to Micro M 4/3 Adapter" on ebay. The adapters are about $30.
@borozonx Yes, you can use any Nikon lens in manual focus mode on m4/3s cameras. Just search for "Nikon G AF-S Lens to Micro M 4/3 Adapter" on ebay. The adapters are about $30.
im just about getting into photographics...going to buy this best.
but do i get it right? filming a lot with my sony full hd cam´s there is sometimes a option to roll off the IR-filter to get a nice nightvision. are there lenses without a ir-filter or is the ir-filter integrated into the body of the camera?
@dfed0530 I prefer the Rainbow Won adapters on ebay with a continuous aperture control ring. However, it costs $43 which is about $15 more than the ones without the aperture ring.
Interesting video, I have a question about the bit around 2:50 where you compare the Panasonic 20mm and the Sigma 30mm: it looks like the panny is the brighter of the two, are you sure the Sigma is wide open? Maybe the adapter is preventing a full f1.4.
@hflashman Good question. However, the adapter does allow the Sigma 30mm to go wide open. You can see this at 0:26 into the clip. I think the difference was caused by the video light that I used in the second half of the 20mm clip to show its affects. Both lenses will show the same exposure in the same light.
@justthejustman 1/15 of a second is not going to work if you are shooting a moving subject like pictures of children playing. If all you do is shoot pictures of stationary objects then those shutter speeds will be fine.
Does AVC-HD video look better than M-JPEG video in this case? Assuming this is right off the camera, AVC-HD seems to have stronger contrast and more saturation, but I don't see that it has less detail.
Anyway, nicely done—thanks. You sound a little like Owen Wilson.
In your description you state that the 14-45mm does not perform well at its telephoto end. Does that mean that it performs poorly only when it is adjusted to 45mm, but the lens does well in low light at 14mm?
@dfed0530 At its telephoto end the 14-45mm lens has a minimum aperture of F5.6. That is a very narrow aperture for shooting in low light. At its wide angle the 14-45mm lens has an aperture of F3.5. That is better than at the telephoto end but still not as good as the 20mm F1.7 Pancake or some of the other F1.2 and F1.4 lenses I have. Bottom line, the 14-45mm just doesn't work well in low light with moving subjects.
I have some nice lenses for my old nikon (180 2.8 ED) would like to be able to use it and the others if i purchase a GF1. What lens adapter are you using and is it difficult to come by? thanks
@shadowblack1987 For those who don't have many thousands of dollars to spend on a High end DSLR, the Panasonic DMC-GF1 and a few fast MF lenses will do for about $1000.
@mpgxsvcd To each their own. For a couple hundred you can get a real DSLR like a D60 with a nice lens like the 50mm 1.8 which easily blow away any sub DSLR.
But if you are happy, then thats the only thing that counts :D I make a living from it, so pro-gear is a must.
@shadowblack1987 Just curious about what advantages you see the D60 having over the GF1? They shoot the same FPS(3.0), Have similar resolutions(about 10 megapixels), and have similar ISO ranges(ISO 100-3200). The D60 has a bigger sensor that will definitely get a shallower D.O.F but the GF1 has HD video and can use some really fast inexpensive lenses like the Canon 55mm F1.2 for less than $200.
I wouldn't call the D60 "Pro-gear" though. What makes you think the GF1 is "sub DSLR"?
@mpgxsvcd D60 isn't pro-gear its a starter amateur DSLR which to me fit your budget.
This has been discussed to death on forums and blogs, so i really invite you looking it up and heck getting some first hand experience on DSLR's (here stores let us try before purchase, you can also rent equipment).
@shadowblack1987 honestly, why would you get a nikon below the D90? legacy lens are a pain to use because of the issue of the light meter that doesn't work.
want to give advices. rise the bar. nikon? D90 and above but honestly? for that price GH1 and a legacy lens. works like a charm and makes movies that you'll hardly believe it's made on a m4/3. btw, the GH1 has a better sensor that the D7. go check dxomark if you don't believe it.
@dalexa Not everyone has $XXX to spend on a DSLR, and a D60 is a nice option for people that don't/can't spend the money on a better DSLR like the D90, D300s or heck D3s.
D7? Whats that? Never heard of it. If you mean D3, and you HONESTLY believe the GH1 has a better sensor than Ninok FX flashship, then i hope you go inform yourself quickly. If you meant Canon 7D, then again theirs nothing i can say, i find them inferior to Nikon (tried both brand).
@shadowblack1987 canon 7D, i could swear i had putted the 7 first. the 7D, the D300 and the GH1 have similar performance. why do you call a GH1 or a GF1 p&s cameras. they all are since they have autofocus. micro 4/3 is not a dslr system because it doesn't have a mirror and therefore no reflex part in it. calling them p&s because of that is just plain stupid. they have a mount system and the fact that the mirror system is out allows you to put almost any legacy lens on it.
@dalexa Technically any DSLR is a point and shoot because every digital camera has some sort of auto mode that will configure all settings for you. The correct definition of a what is typically called a point and shoot is actually a "small sensor compact camera". The functional difference between a DSLR and a Small sensor camera is the size of the sensor.
I'm interested in the new Olympus E-PL1 but I'm less than impressed with the kit lens. If Olympus offered it with their 17mm 2.8 as the kit lens I'd be more interested. Do you have any thoughts on the 17mm? It's obviously not nearly as fast as the Panasonic 20mm- if Olympus started offering it as an option for the kit lens would you go for the 17mm? Olympus is also going to be releasing a 9-18mm f4 to f5.6. It's not as nice as the Panasonic 7 to 14 but it's much cheaper.
The 17mm F2.8 is a decent lens. However, I would always reccomend going with a lens under F2.0 for video indoors.
I love the idea of the new 9-18mm but it is just too slow for video indoors. I would just buy the Panny 14mm F2.8 pancake and live without the zoom if you need a wide angle video lens.
Right now 20mm is the widest I shoot video at because of the lack of fast super wide angle lenses right now.
Thanks for the response. I've gotta decide if the compromises are just too great. I prefer the Olympus cameras but from what I've seen the Panasonic lenses are generally far superior (but more expensive).
So you think the Panasonic 14mm f2.8 would be usable for videoing interiors, ie, not too slow? I wonder if they will make it a kit lens- if so I think I'll go with Panasonic. It might be an odd choice for a kit lens but for me it would be great (though I'd prefer something a bit wider- like 12mm). Read a rumor that they'll be announcing a new camera at the end of the month.
@ar4216 F2.8 is the bare minimum for indoors. It will work but you will wish you had an F2.0 or lower in very low light. You can also use the GH1 which handles noise better.
Bottom line the faster the lens the better your videos will be indoors. Outside pretty much any lens will work.
Hi, Thanks for the video. I'm going to pick up a GF1 this week, but I cannot decide to go with the 14-45mm lens or get the 20mm lens. Apart from the difference in light, what other differences are there? Will the 14-45 take better long shots? Be grateful for any advice.
@michaelyeomans Definitely get the 20mm. It is the single best m4/3s lens. It is great for wide shots and it can still take some medium range shots as well.
The 14-45mm is useless indoors. If you shoot outdoors in very even light then it is a great lens. It is just too slow for anything else.
Good review using third party lenses. The 20mm panasonic pancake is good - i have one. Not sure filming the underexposed settings at f4 , 5.6,8 etc means anything as you wouldn't film at this setting in this light level?
The like for like f1.8 is very significant and shows lens contrast and resolving power.
A similar excercise outdoors at say f11 and iso 80 would really show the sweet spot lenses. I use the nikon 50mm f1.8 on my gh1 and gf1 and the results are very good.
@ghough12 I included the higher F number footage to simulate what happens with the 14-45 and 14-140 lenses in low light scenes. They really are not good for that.
@MillionDolllarMike A DSLR typically has a bigger sensor than a micro four thirds camera like the GF1. That bigger sensor will offer you a shallower depth of field, better low light performance, and better dynamic range. However, DSLRs are typically, larger, heavier, more expensive, and not as easy to operate.
Only you can decide which of those things is more important to you. For me the GF1 size is everything. I shot for 12 hours this Saturday and I never could have done that with a DSLR
@jimschulze Despite the fact that I have the GF1 and love it. I would recommend buying the GH1 without a lens off of ebay if you are interested in video.
The GH1 without a lens goes for about $600-$700 used. You can spend another $400-$600 on lenses and get pretty much all of the focal ranges you could want.
The GF1 is great for stills and video and it is small. However, the GH1 handles higher ISO pics and movies better and the 1080p @ 24 FPS mode of the GH1 is ideal for low light movies.
You seem yo be using two adapters at a time, I wonder how much light this set-up takes away. My 50mm f1.4 looks much brighter with the OM-M4/3 adapter, very usable indoor even at ISO200.
@sinophilia No there is only one adapter for each lens. In fact I have three Nikon adapters. One for each of the Nikon lenses I have. I can change the lenses in a matter of seconds and I can carry all of them in a single bag. I will post a video of the bag. It is actually pretty cool and less than $100.
@twokatmew A couple of the clips got cut off on the last word that I said. For example I meant to say An aperture value of 2.8 or below is good for low light. The Or Below was cut off. However, it shouldnt have affected the content that much. Were there any particular sections you had trouble hearing?
It's very helpful ,thank you so much!!
pralatt 3 weeks ago
So I'm deciding between the Gh2 and the T2i. The lenses are pretty expensive on the Gh2, way more than Canon Eos lenses. Anybody have any feedback on that?
BigBearfromthe206 1 month ago
@BigBearfromthe206 The lenses that are more expensive on m4/3s are way better than the cheap lenses that Canon makes. If you compare Canon's high end "L" lenses to some of the Leica Panasonic lenses then you will see that the m4/3s lenses are much less expensive. Panasonic and Olympus make a lot of very good lenses. There are only a couple of inexpensive and lesser quality lenses that they make. You get what you pay for.
mpgxsvcd 1 month ago
The pancake lens is only $200 now on Amazon. Are the lenses interchangeable with any Panasonic cameras? Also is there a way to get an adapter for the Panasonic Gh2 so it will fit lenses from say Canon or Nikon. I heard there was but Idk if its true.
BigBearfromthe206 1 month ago
@BigBearfromthe206 Yes you can get an adapter to fit any lens from any manufacturer onto an m4/3s camera. Just check ebay. They are usually arround $20-$40. However, the lenses will only operate in manual focus mode.
mpgxsvcd 1 month ago
@mpgxsvcd Hmm yeah. Well thanks I appreciate the replies. Its gonna be a tough decision.
BigBearfromthe206 1 month ago
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snkbros 3 months ago
How ,inch is the camera
snkbros 3 months ago
Is that canon 50mm comparable to a 14-45mm lens at 45mm, or is there a big difference
EatMyWindow 3 months ago
@EatMyWindow The Canon 50mm F1.4 and 55mm F1.2 are fairly close to the 14-45mm in focal length. However, the aperture is more than 4 stops brighter on those lenses than the 14-45mm. The 14-45mm is useless for most pictures indoors.
mpgxsvcd 3 months ago
thank you
BOMBOVA 4 months ago
350 bucks just for a fucking lens!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!! is with all these lens for these DSLR cameras!!! You will end up paying a fortune!!!!!!!!!
whole27 5 months ago
@whole27 It depends on what lens you go for!
wakayoda 5 months ago
hello agin mpgxsvcd
Hey do you know if the Olympus E-P3 Body will 100% Electroniclly interface with Lumix G Vario Lens
and do it without an Adapter containing the exact same wired 11 Pin Conductors as seen on panny lens and bodys that allow that lens to body cross'talk ?
if anyone wether or not you can answer my question im sure your one of the few who understand what i'm saying :)
Oly cameras seem to take better Jpegs the panasonic
but the oposite aplys on panasonic lens are 100% better :)
chevypowertogo 6 months ago
@chevypowertogo yea dude, all olympus / panasonic MICRO 4/3 lenses are interchangable and useable of both camera types.
Zed100000 5 months ago
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MPGXSVCD ???
Will you please answer or comment to my prior main QUESTION ?
a little imput would be nice as I am new to changable lens Cameras,.
THANK YOU,
chevypowertogo 8 months ago
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chevypowertogo 8 months ago
i'm new to interchangable lens cameras
Yet befor i even received my first one i was looking at its add pic & i could see there were a bunch of brass looking contact pins behind the dust cap on the body where the lens attaches
so right away i knew those were electrical conductors which linkup to the lens & internal focusing motor,
with that said
also heard you can use adaptors & add other brand model lens that will work on GF2
question is
will others utilize those same pins 100% for full auto?
chevypowertogo 8 months ago
@chevypowertogo No, you can only use micro four thirds to natively auto focus on the GF1. You can auto focus with some four thirds lenses. However, that requires a special adapter with the corresponding pins. All lenses from other manufactures are strictly manual focus only.
mpgxsvcd 8 months ago
@mpgxsvcd Is a camcorder better for video than the DSLR's? Which camera or camcorder is the best for video which includes image stabilization, auto focus, 1080p, etc? I know the Panasonic GH2 is probably the best DSLR for video, right? But does that make it better than any camcorder? I want the best of the best for video!!!!
whole27 5 months ago
The 20mm pancake is great, but i find it hard to argue with the price of the Nikon pancake... ahahahaha
foxruns 9 months ago
I found this video fascinating! You use a ton of great glass, and I like your concept, but I think you need to adhere to more rigorous controls on your shooting conditions to give this exercise real value. I don't mean use a resolution chart, but a more fixed environment where we can identify variations would be great. Keep it up, I'm subscribing!
unlearny 9 months ago
"The single most important aspect of shooting in low light is the aperture value"
Sorry, did I fall asleep and somehow aperture became more influential on exposure than ISO?
newdimensionfilms 11 months ago
@newdimensionfilms Unless your shooting with a Nikon 3Ds or Canon 1D MKIV your camera probably has about 3-5 stops of usable ISO range. I have an F1.2 lens that gives me 5 stops advantage over the F5.6 Zoom lens I also use. The lens gives me the same 5 stops that my Panasonic GH2 ISO range can give me. However, the picture at F1.2 looks a lot better than the picture at ISO 3200. Aperture is definitely the most important factor in low light shooting.
mpgxsvcd 11 months ago 12
@mpgxsvcd
Nothing that you just said countered the fact that ISO affects exposure just as much as aperture, you just said that you have access to a fast lens but not a high ISO camera. It's scientific fact that they are just as important in exposure. For that matter, shutter speed is also just as important, but can introduce motion blur.
newdimensionfilms 11 months ago
@newdimensionfilms You are a right a stop of exposure is a stop of exposure no matter where it comes from. However, an increase of a stop of aperture exposure will produce a shallower depth of field which is typically considered to be more desirable. An increase of a stop of ISO exposure may yield an acceptable image. However, it will have more noise. Increasing exposure with aperture has less of a drawback than increasing ISO or decreasing shutter speed does.
mpgxsvcd 11 months ago 5
@mpgxsvcd
"an increase of a stop of aperture exposure will produce a shallower depth of field which is typically considered to be more desirable."
You're an idiot.
newdimensionfilms 11 months ago
@newdimensionfilms Great comeback. Well thought through and very insightful. Do you have anything else helpful to add?
mpgxsvcd 11 months ago
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@mpgxsvcd
"Do you have anything else helpful to add?"
Yeah, this
"Increasing exposure with aperture has less of a drawback than increasing ISO or decreasing shutter speed does."
This is also false in most cases. Most lenses significantly lose quality wide open.
newdimensionfilms 11 months ago
@mpgxsvcd
ISO is the dumbest choice, the best choice is to have FAST LENS that gives you the ability to shot at LOW ISO since ISO SUCKS.
You should go watch some marketing stuff of Canikon's where they say is cool to have ISO 25000.
vrcraft 11 months ago
@mpgxsvcd
Ignore him.
Bottom line is if you can't change the camera for higher ISO, the lens is your next step for more light assuming a constant shutter. You want to stop at ISO 800 on this particular model if you are concerned about details. Much more leeway with a fast lens.
On this camera - and most other crop sensor cameras, large apertures are necessary for low light.
beomagi 10 months ago
@mpgxsvcd
Ignore him.
Bottom line is if you can't change the camera for higher ISO, the lens is your next step for more light assuming a constant shutter. You want to stop at ISO 800 on this particular model if you are concerned about details. Much more leeway with a fast lens.
On this camera - and most other crop sensor cameras, large apertures are necessary for low light.
beomagi 10 months ago
@newdimensionfilms He's right - if image quality is what you're after, then aperture counts more than ISO in low light conditions. Even more so if you dont have a large image sensor - since all you're doing is allowing a small amount of light, shine onto a tiny sensor and trying to make up for the lack of light entered by mathematically interpreting what a higher amount of light WOULD have resulted in. It ends up looking grainy. So he's 100% correct there
desmonds22 11 months ago
@desmonds22
No you're both wrong. Unless you have a really great lens, shooting wide open is going to decrease image quality a lot, yet most digital cameras with a 4/3 or bigger sensor can handle high isos amazingly.
Besides, that's not what he said in the video.
newdimensionfilms 11 months ago
@newdimensionfilms You dont need to buy a "great" lens to be sharp at wide open - most prime lenses are amazingly sharp at super-low f-values and unless you're buying leica or zeiss they are dirt cheap compared to zooms. But anyways - back to the above point: it depends what you're shooting. if the object is standing still, then open that aperture up - otherwise bump up the ISO if your subject is moving and you need to get a quick snap. But saying that the two are equivalent is bogus
desmonds22 11 months ago
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@desmonds22
"But saying that the two are equivalent is bogus"
When it comes to exposure, they are. Saying they aren't is "bogus." Also if you shoot at f/1.4 all the time you are not going to be able to get very much in focus.
newdimensionfilms 11 months ago
@newdimensionfilms The sensor measures the quantum of light hitting it. The ISO of the sensor doesnt actually change like with film - what happens is the image processor "interprets" what a different light intensity would have produced. The interpretation is actually a pretty good approximation in most cases, but it breaks down when you significantly reduce the actual amount of light hitting the sensor since you're effectively culling data points which the model relies on.
desmonds22 11 months ago
@newdimensionfilms ... Tho the two may be of "equivalent" exposure, they wont produce equivalent quality images since one is an interpretation of light while the other is the actual light source. The smaller the sensor, the worse the problem. That said any entry level DSLR is so good these days you need to start going into 8000 ISO+ to see real degradation, so for the most part you can get away with it. However it still stands - for low light, let as much light in as you can get away with :)
desmonds22 11 months ago
Mpg, You said my 28-200mm = 56-400mm in the digi world and I would like to know what you mean when you say continuous aperture? thank you for responding.
MrScrappydue 1 year ago
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Dark3x 1 year ago
I was useing a Nikon D-70 and N-80 film camera untill last week when my son purchased me a G2. I have a Tamron 28-200 and a Quantaray 28-90 with the NikonD mount. What sort of mount would I need to use them on my G2? I would also like to know what size/ lenght is my 28-200 in the digital world? Thank you so much and what a knowledgeabl video. I had no idea I could use my other lenses.
MrScrappydue 1 year ago
@MrScrappydue Every lens has a 2x crop factor on m4/3s cameras. Your 28-200 would become a 56-400mm! You can find Nikon adapters for m4/3s on ebay. They are usually between $20-$40 and they usually have continuous aperture control.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
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s27945 1 year ago
que marca y modelo es la lampara, gracias anticipadas, Saludos.
eventostampico 1 year ago
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OneGoodCompany 1 year ago
So from what I can see the 50mm Nikon and olympus' stills in low light (at 7.01 onwwards) outshines their video performance (at 5.15 onwards) by a huge margin. What adapter did you use for the olympus?
mxmus08 1 year ago
It is possible on older lenses, to remove the aperture ring and take out the small steel ball & spring that creates the click between aperture stops. That way you get stepless aperture control.
alanstarkie2001 1 year ago
not to be biased, but the camera "look" is just not so attracting... i mean, they do not look as good as those of point and shoot. maybe they need to make it looks better to attract me to buy it. and in another review, not youtube. they have a lot of sample shots for this camera.. very shaky in some.. not going to recommend this one though.
kokfah 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Lol.... why don't you just get a Dslr?
key00992233 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this informative video - it answered alot of my questions ! .
b0dhran 1 year ago
Erm... can anyone explain what is manual focus? With manual focus, you can focus on any part of the photo subject you want, right?
SlurpSilencer 1 year ago
Wow, where did you find the nikon 50mm f1.8 for $21!?
suspendedanimation 1 year ago
get a g2
mattymacalaca 1 year ago
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is this camera GF1 can fit a fuji or kodak film of roll
bestamerica 1 year ago
how called is the adapter for nikon?
gabriromei 1 year ago
Great effort for the greater benefit of all m43 buffs. Many thanks. I know you get this a lot by now and hopefully you can answer my question - I just got the same Canon FD 50mm f/1.4 ... could you provide more details on the Canon FD to m4/3 adapter you have? Also, is it possible to use this in stepless aperture mode with the said adapter for taking videos using the Panasonic Lumix G cameras? (I am waiting in my pre-ordered GH2).
dipkat 1 year ago
@dipkat Search ebay for a seller called RainbowImaging. Or search for Canon M4/3 Adapter. You can also find direct links to the adapters in the descrition of my "Manual Focus Lens Review" video. Just click my username above and you will see it on the right side.
I have a pre-order in for the GH2 as well. It will be an incredible camera. They are supposed to start shipping in the US on Monday 11-22-10. Let us know if you get yours.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
Thanks. Will definitely look.
dipkat 1 year ago
hearing your unfinished sentences.... I'M FRUSTRATED!!!!
RuDofCAraVAn 1 year ago
thanks
borozonx 1 year ago
Can I use my Nikkor 12-24mm lens on the GF1? What adapter should I use? Thanks so much!
troxyg 1 year ago
hi,,please can i use my nikkor lens 18-105 af dx vr and my sigma 10-20(nikon mount) on my panasinic DMC GF-1, what i need??? thanks!!!
borozonx 1 year ago
@borozonx Yes, you can use any Nikon lens in manual focus mode on m4/3s cameras. Just search for "Nikon G AF-S Lens to Micro M 4/3 Adapter" on ebay. The adapters are about $30.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
@borozonx thank you!!
borozonx 1 year ago
@borozonx Yes, you can use any Nikon lens in manual focus mode on m4/3s cameras. Just search for "Nikon G AF-S Lens to Micro M 4/3 Adapter" on ebay. The adapters are about $30.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
@mpgxsvcd thanks!!
borozonx 1 year ago
@justthejustman Learn to spell before you call someone else an IDIOT.
ksimm2009 1 year ago
@ksimm2009 SMOKE CHOKE CROAK YOU CANCER-FILLED IDIOT
NancyNurseHottie 1 year ago
@NancyNurseHottie You really need to get a life.
ksimm2009 1 year ago
@ksimm2009 SMOKE CHOKE CROAK you fool!
NancyNurseHottie 1 year ago
you have one of the more appreciated reviews. Thank you. Will get my GF1 tomorrow
Albert
peme103 1 year ago
im just about getting into photographics...going to buy this best.
but do i get it right? filming a lot with my sony full hd cam´s there is sometimes a option to roll off the IR-filter to get a nice nightvision. are there lenses without a ir-filter or is the ir-filter integrated into the body of the camera?
punisher17011990 1 year ago
Hey, what lens adapter did you use for the Nikon 50mm 1.8f pancake lens? Thanks!
dfed0530 1 year ago
@dfed0530 I prefer the Rainbow Won adapters on ebay with a continuous aperture control ring. However, it costs $43 which is about $15 more than the ones without the aperture ring.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
this is a bit like watching the appolo 11 landings in the 60's - still very interesting and thanks alot for the effort.
robinmondorama2 1 year ago
@justthejustman
He's talking about VIDEO, idiot.
BenHughesStudios 1 year ago
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is this camera can use at night video
bestamerica 1 year ago
Juijeai was right... I fell asleep too... Kinda..boring?
vanjastanic 1 year ago
Interesting video, I have a question about the bit around 2:50 where you compare the Panasonic 20mm and the Sigma 30mm: it looks like the panny is the brighter of the two, are you sure the Sigma is wide open? Maybe the adapter is preventing a full f1.4.
hflashman 1 year ago
@hflashman Good question. However, the adapter does allow the Sigma 30mm to go wide open. You can see this at 0:26 into the clip. I think the difference was caused by the video light that I used in the second half of the 20mm clip to show its affects. Both lenses will show the same exposure in the same light.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
@justthejustman 1/15 of a second is not going to work if you are shooting a moving subject like pictures of children playing. If all you do is shoot pictures of stationary objects then those shutter speeds will be fine.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago 7
Does AVC-HD video look better than M-JPEG video in this case? Assuming this is right off the camera, AVC-HD seems to have stronger contrast and more saturation, but I don't see that it has less detail.
Anyway, nicely done—thanks. You sound a little like Owen Wilson.
livebigly 1 year ago
MadeInJapan
MadelnJapan 1 year ago
I'm back...Fix that Audio!
VALMARIESASK 1 year ago
I gots 4 Leica Lens worth over $7,000 that I can use on this Bod.
YummY ... well 4 me that is! Hahahah
VALMARIESASK 1 year ago
just wondering where to buy those lens adapters?
johnnybabe007 1 year ago
i fell asleep
Jubiejai 1 year ago
nice. where'd you buy the video light?
stylewise 1 year ago
@stylewise Best Buy in the US. It was about $35.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
what adapter are you using for the 50mm F1.8 Nikon pancake lens... ? and where did you get it...? Thanks for a great video
busk4321 1 year ago
In your description you state that the 14-45mm does not perform well at its telephoto end. Does that mean that it performs poorly only when it is adjusted to 45mm, but the lens does well in low light at 14mm?
dfed0530 1 year ago
@dfed0530 At its telephoto end the 14-45mm lens has a minimum aperture of F5.6. That is a very narrow aperture for shooting in low light. At its wide angle the 14-45mm lens has an aperture of F3.5. That is better than at the telephoto end but still not as good as the 20mm F1.7 Pancake or some of the other F1.2 and F1.4 lenses I have. Bottom line, the 14-45mm just doesn't work well in low light with moving subjects.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
I have some nice lenses for my old nikon (180 2.8 ED) would like to be able to use it and the others if i purchase a GF1. What lens adapter are you using and is it difficult to come by? thanks
mickthepope 1 year ago
Low light is more about high ISO + aperture.
3200 ISO + f/1.4 = Shoot at night.
D3 ftw.
shadowblack1987 1 year ago
@shadowblack1987 For those who don't have many thousands of dollars to spend on a High end DSLR, the Panasonic DMC-GF1 and a few fast MF lenses will do for about $1000.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
@mpgxsvcd To each their own. For a couple hundred you can get a real DSLR like a D60 with a nice lens like the 50mm 1.8 which easily blow away any sub DSLR.
But if you are happy, then thats the only thing that counts :D I make a living from it, so pro-gear is a must.
shadowblack1987 1 year ago
@shadowblack1987 Just curious about what advantages you see the D60 having over the GF1? They shoot the same FPS(3.0), Have similar resolutions(about 10 megapixels), and have similar ISO ranges(ISO 100-3200). The D60 has a bigger sensor that will definitely get a shallower D.O.F but the GF1 has HD video and can use some really fast inexpensive lenses like the Canon 55mm F1.2 for less than $200.
I wouldn't call the D60 "Pro-gear" though. What makes you think the GF1 is "sub DSLR"?
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
@mpgxsvcd D60 isn't pro-gear its a starter amateur DSLR which to me fit your budget.
This has been discussed to death on forums and blogs, so i really invite you looking it up and heck getting some first hand experience on DSLR's (here stores let us try before purchase, you can also rent equipment).
shadowblack1987 1 year ago
@shadowblack1987 honestly, why would you get a nikon below the D90? legacy lens are a pain to use because of the issue of the light meter that doesn't work.
want to give advices. rise the bar. nikon? D90 and above but honestly? for that price GH1 and a legacy lens. works like a charm and makes movies that you'll hardly believe it's made on a m4/3. btw, the GH1 has a better sensor that the D7. go check dxomark if you don't believe it.
dalexa 1 year ago
@dalexa Not everyone has $XXX to spend on a DSLR, and a D60 is a nice option for people that don't/can't spend the money on a better DSLR like the D90, D300s or heck D3s.
D7? Whats that? Never heard of it. If you mean D3, and you HONESTLY believe the GH1 has a better sensor than Ninok FX flashship, then i hope you go inform yourself quickly. If you meant Canon 7D, then again theirs nothing i can say, i find them inferior to Nikon (tried both brand).
A real DSLR will always be better than P&S.
shadowblack1987 1 year ago
@shadowblack1987 canon 7D, i could swear i had putted the 7 first. the 7D, the D300 and the GH1 have similar performance. why do you call a GH1 or a GF1 p&s cameras. they all are since they have autofocus. micro 4/3 is not a dslr system because it doesn't have a mirror and therefore no reflex part in it. calling them p&s because of that is just plain stupid. they have a mount system and the fact that the mirror system is out allows you to put almost any legacy lens on it.
dalexa 1 year ago
@dalexa Technically any DSLR is a point and shoot because every digital camera has some sort of auto mode that will configure all settings for you. The correct definition of a what is typically called a point and shoot is actually a "small sensor compact camera". The functional difference between a DSLR and a Small sensor camera is the size of the sensor.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
What's the Name of the LED-Flash?
Thanks!
king1sn 1 year ago
@king1sn Not sure of the name. I got it for about $30 from Best Buy.
mpgxsvcd 1 year ago
heellloooo mpgxsvcd , where did u get adapter CANON fd to m4/3 ??? how can i get it??
i would appreciates the info ! :)
samidogeid 1 year ago
maybe something is wrong with my flashplayer but some of your sentences seem to
mipmipmipmipmip 2 years ago 65
@mipmipmipmipmip hahaha. best comment ever.
cleanupinaisle3 1 year ago
@mipmipmipmipmip exactly. same here
addiction6to6bad6 1 year ago
Hy .. good review! One question:
Where can i get the Video Light?
THX
gf1sushi 2 years ago
@gf1sushi I bought my light at Best Buy for about $35 US. You can find them on ebay and amazon also.
mpgxsvcd 2 years ago
hi please information where can i get canon fd adapter to my gf1 , thanks
samidogeid 2 years ago
I'm interested in the new Olympus E-PL1 but I'm less than impressed with the kit lens. If Olympus offered it with their 17mm 2.8 as the kit lens I'd be more interested. Do you have any thoughts on the 17mm? It's obviously not nearly as fast as the Panasonic 20mm- if Olympus started offering it as an option for the kit lens would you go for the 17mm? Olympus is also going to be releasing a 9-18mm f4 to f5.6. It's not as nice as the Panasonic 7 to 14 but it's much cheaper.
ar4216 2 years ago
The 17mm F2.8 is a decent lens. However, I would always reccomend going with a lens under F2.0 for video indoors.
I love the idea of the new 9-18mm but it is just too slow for video indoors. I would just buy the Panny 14mm F2.8 pancake and live without the zoom if you need a wide angle video lens.
Right now 20mm is the widest I shoot video at because of the lack of fast super wide angle lenses right now.
mpgxsvcd 2 years ago
Thanks for the response. I've gotta decide if the compromises are just too great. I prefer the Olympus cameras but from what I've seen the Panasonic lenses are generally far superior (but more expensive).
ar4216 2 years ago
@ar4216 Buy the Oly camera used without a lens and save a ton of money. Then buy the Panny or MF lenses you want to go with it.
I wish I had bought the GH-1 used. I would have loved to have its video capabilities right now.
mpgxsvcd 2 years ago
So you think the Panasonic 14mm f2.8 would be usable for videoing interiors, ie, not too slow? I wonder if they will make it a kit lens- if so I think I'll go with Panasonic. It might be an odd choice for a kit lens but for me it would be great (though I'd prefer something a bit wider- like 12mm). Read a rumor that they'll be announcing a new camera at the end of the month.
ar4216 2 years ago
@ar4216 F2.8 is the bare minimum for indoors. It will work but you will wish you had an F2.0 or lower in very low light. You can also use the GH1 which handles noise better.
Bottom line the faster the lens the better your videos will be indoors. Outside pretty much any lens will work.
mpgxsvcd 2 years ago
Hi, Thanks for the video. I'm going to pick up a GF1 this week, but I cannot decide to go with the 14-45mm lens or get the 20mm lens. Apart from the difference in light, what other differences are there? Will the 14-45 take better long shots? Be grateful for any advice.
michaelyeomans 2 years ago
@michaelyeomans Definitely get the 20mm. It is the single best m4/3s lens. It is great for wide shots and it can still take some medium range shots as well.
The 14-45mm is useless indoors. If you shoot outdoors in very even light then it is a great lens. It is just too slow for anything else.
mpgxsvcd 2 years ago
Good review using third party lenses. The 20mm panasonic pancake is good - i have one. Not sure filming the underexposed settings at f4 , 5.6,8 etc means anything as you wouldn't film at this setting in this light level?
The like for like f1.8 is very significant and shows lens contrast and resolving power.
A similar excercise outdoors at say f11 and iso 80 would really show the sweet spot lenses. I use the nikon 50mm f1.8 on my gh1 and gf1 and the results are very good.
Graham
ghough12 2 years ago
@ghough12 I included the higher F number footage to simulate what happens with the 14-45 and 14-140 lenses in low light scenes. They really are not good for that.
mpgxsvcd 2 years ago
Yes I agree, my tests showed you need at least 50 lux to get a good image at low iso of 400 max.
Graham
ghough12 2 years ago
Im new to photography and cameras, which is better a dslr or this camera body with a variety of lenses like you have?
MillionDolllarMike 2 years ago
@MillionDolllarMike A DSLR typically has a bigger sensor than a micro four thirds camera like the GF1. That bigger sensor will offer you a shallower depth of field, better low light performance, and better dynamic range. However, DSLRs are typically, larger, heavier, more expensive, and not as easy to operate.
Only you can decide which of those things is more important to you. For me the GF1 size is everything. I shot for 12 hours this Saturday and I never could have done that with a DSLR
mpgxsvcd 2 years ago
Great work and thanks for all your effort. Currently torn between the GH1 and GF1, this is a wonderful review.
jimschulze 2 years ago
@jimschulze Despite the fact that I have the GF1 and love it. I would recommend buying the GH1 without a lens off of ebay if you are interested in video.
The GH1 without a lens goes for about $600-$700 used. You can spend another $400-$600 on lenses and get pretty much all of the focal ranges you could want.
The GF1 is great for stills and video and it is small. However, the GH1 handles higher ISO pics and movies better and the 1080p @ 24 FPS mode of the GH1 is ideal for low light movies.
mpgxsvcd 2 years ago
You seem yo be using two adapters at a time, I wonder how much light this set-up takes away. My 50mm f1.4 looks much brighter with the OM-M4/3 adapter, very usable indoor even at ISO200.
sinophilia 2 years ago
@sinophilia No there is only one adapter for each lens. In fact I have three Nikon adapters. One for each of the Nikon lenses I have. I can change the lenses in a matter of seconds and I can carry all of them in a single bag. I will post a video of the bag. It is actually pretty cool and less than $100.
mpgxsvcd 2 years ago
Yes, I couldn't hear the whole section on the 20mm pancake lens, which I am most interested in. Thanks for doing such a comprehensive review!
twokatmew 2 years ago
Audio is very spotty, so I wasn't able to hear some of the review. :-(
twokatmew 2 years ago
@twokatmew A couple of the clips got cut off on the last word that I said. For example I meant to say An aperture value of 2.8 or below is good for low light. The Or Below was cut off. However, it shouldnt have affected the content that much. Were there any particular sections you had trouble hearing?
mpgxsvcd 2 years ago
awesome thanks for the great review!
Lukewarm27 2 years ago