Advanced Aikido Koshinage Techniques : Ryote Munedori Koshinage Tenkan: Advanced Aikido

[dobberdoss]

That's one shiny head!

[SavaEfendi]

This is not koshinage only ukigoshi or tsurigoshi.

I rolled down many fights .

The attack which be demonstrated this movie fiction

[Derukugi2]

@SavaEfendi

In Aikido, it is all koshinage. You are confusing this with judo terms.

[JeroenEe]

@SavaEfendi You are so right about this, exactly what I see in it (I've practiced judo for several years and now Aikido for 8 years). But... I've seen this move being performed as koshinage here on youtube a few days ago by a 6th dan known as Penny Bernath from florida Aikikai. I still believe it's judo, but seems to be accepted as koshinage in Aikido as well...

[Derukugi2]

I don`t know what you "love", and I don´t know what you "try".

And neither do I care.

[mrurdinola]

what is your name ,, ?

[elisdewaard1]

looks like Judo's Uki-Otoshi. Nice overtaking btw:);)

[jemimaja]

that's no koshinage from aikido, that's uki goshi from judo

[Derukugi2]

@jemimaja

what is in a name? Even inside Aikido, names of techniques often overlap. Inside Judo, too.

Nice demonstration, anyway. And the fart was just an added little touch :.)

[jemimaja]

@Derukugi2 the name doesn't matter, only the technique is wrong and not what they say it is...

Absolutely no Aikido

[Derukugi2]

@jemimaja

The technique is not "wrong" and it definitely is Aikido. If you prefer another version is up to you.

[jemimaja]

@Derukugi2 Whatever ;-) You know what I love about his defence? The way he diverts uki's hand initially. It's the same way I "try" to do it

[ILiasMani]

@jemimaja

of course it is aikido.u dont see the arm deflection?judo has hip throws karate has hip throws jujitsou and brazilian jiou jitsou has hip throws and other martial arts has hip throws.so aikido has hip throws too.

[jemimaja]

@ILiasMani ok, I will deflect uki's arm and perform an iponseonage (judo and ju-jitsu) and the armdeflection will make it Aikido... Or maybe an O soto gari or tomoe nage

[ILiasMani]

@jemimaja

yes u are right my fault..but u know that throws are effective in aikido like tomoe nage or osoto gary because of the arm deflections it is easy to throw someone!

[JeroenEe]

@ILiasMani I think we are both right. I have already seen this throw performed by other black belts up to 6th dan. even a woman who is known for really very beautiful Aikido: Penny Bernath. I think both are accepted to be Koshi-nage, I guess I made the biggest mistake by not getting informed properly before reacting (one of my flaws), so I'm sorry for that

[Kompruutteri]

Evil fart-technique

[ronin2167]

Uki Otoshi....:O)

[hallobaaaby]

Sir, DON'T watch the floor or uke's hand while doing the Tenkan, watch the horizon as you turn. It will keep you centered. Also lower these shoulders.

[igogov]

funny!

[pcjudosambo]

he is probably a very good black belt (sensei) but his hip throw is not 100% correct (his leg posture, etc, center of balance). I am judoka and this is a very common mistake even in Judo or Sambo. But still, very helpful to learn this, Aikido is beautiful.

[ronin2167]

@pcjudosambo His feet are too far apart. The throw happens on the step but you don't want to have to step way out to make it happen. Compromised your balance as you say.

[HomunculusProject]

@pcjudosambo Judo and Aikido have many similarities. Obviously, since Aikido, Jujitsu and Judo are all related.

But there are minor differences in how they do certain things and they tend to look "wrong" to a practitioner of an other style.

But of course you would have to test it all on the mat. :)

I like to get experienced people from other MAs to train with. Widens the view big time.

[acquiesce100]

this is some of the best aikido i have seen

[tmtutube]

ROFL the guy farted at :35

[tmtutube]

LOL LOL LOL DID YOU GUYS HEAR the old man's fart at :42

[razertan94]

hahahaha fart

[tmtutube]

@razertan94 yea the old guy did fart LOL

[kaigaishiiaikido]

you are very good sensei

[siguenza69]

nice

[wOngWitBigShlong]

lol

[dobberdoss]

now get in the MMA cage and try this stuff and watch as you fail everytime

[pacosaidso]

@dobberdoss Seen many Ryotedori attacks in MMA? Why would you do a nice thing like this when the objective of MMA is to pound the head into unconsciousness? MMA is not self defense.

[Carlitoxh]

@dobberdoss in MMA nobody gets pushed you idiot

[dobberdoss]

@Carlitoxh,

really?, nobody uses aikido either cause it does not work in real uncontrolled situations.  Nobody grabs wrist, no body runs at you and grabs shoulders, nobody shomen strikes or yokomen strikes etc etc. Not so much an matial art form , more like a dance form, or ballet

[Derukugi2]

@dobberdoss

...says you, who? Fyi, this is basicall a judo throw, an ogoshi. Are you saying that "nobody uses judo" too?

[fracturedfist]

@Carlitoxh yes they do they get pushed from behind.

not that im against mma or sumthing.

[wisd0m18]

aikido is the best if you combine it with karate and boxing!!!!!! yeah!!!!!!

[superesonator]

Just like that. Very useful video for anyone learning koshinage.

[chady10]

kewl

[daimyo2k]

Ooohh, that looks like you can easiely hurt yourself. You're using to much energy, it looks more like a "heave-ho" technique. Your center is to high, and his is to low, it should be reveresed. He could stop your technique by just dropping his center just a bit more. A good / proper koshi-nage should be able to be done without the uke even touching your body.

[MrJudo15]

Gary ur my hero!!

[aikigator]

Aikido is not about strength ck066. Good solid technique is the key, size and strength don't matter

[wisd0m18]

it matters lol!!!! the more strength you use the more defeat you will have!!! ha hahahahah

[fracturedfist]

@aikigator in theory..

[ck066]

but if the opponent its bigger than u?' what the hell i gaara do??

[timturnnips]

with propper form size counts for nothing

[wisd0m18]

simply make him shit!!!!! use the basic theory of motion in aikido!!!!!

[rakim282828]

Gary Boez vs Chuck Norris

[shiyong96]

Wont after the turn give a chance to punch?

[macmini434]

You could give a punch, however one of the goals in aikido is that you not only protect yourself but also the person attacking, so you normally don't strike. The attacker doesn't get a chance to give a punch because you've already closed to the distance for him to land something. But the beauty of the art is that if you felt the attacker would never stop, you could cause send them to the hospital real quick. But that's only for worst case scenario.

[shiyong96]

Even if the attack is swinging his arms madly?

[hardrain08]

yeah, just do the knife hand technique at mid-section and do uke nagashi or iriminage or just a simple strike.

[ketsan]

Yeah but the punch would hit your back and wouldn't be effective.

[TheDaNbRoWnUnIVeRsE]

poor guy. he knows he know gonna make it but he still keeps trying!!!!

[dramsrle]

amazing technique,very elegant.

[bushwhacker2k]

Yeah, wow, I was impressed when he practically threw him but somehow he gently lowered him at the end.

[tamimfaruq]

yeah! he did fart...

[Derukugi2]

@tamimfaruq

LOL! I heard it too. He let it rip in mid air. Hilarious!

[Soulshroude]

@tamimfaruq Sometimes one cannot help but to break wind during certain moves.

[geno0607]

0.42 he gets thrown and farts haha

[88miracleCURE88]

haha yeah i heard it

[ssbmpalyer2010]

Oh my lord I thought I heard it and it made me bust out laughing.

[mowmow5673]

thats from judo its called ogoshi

[geting89]

Well i do agree that this throw has allot off common to ogoshi. Back in the days when aikido was a young martial art allot off judo-students whent over and started pratice aikido which means that judo has influenced aikido allot.

Koshi-nage = Hip-throw.

[ChadMaestro]

Aikido and Judo come from similar backgrounds with different influences along the way. It's definitely not a hip throw that you see in Judo, it's a throw performed from the koshi-ita of the Hakama. If you rest your Uke there and you are in the correct position, you will be able to simple turn your hips and Uke will fall and roll. It's not about throwing your Uke over your hip.

[Ixxbladexxii]

Lol Hes not nice to his students

[fredandjhesseth]

that's also a judo throw isn't?

[sisabra]

no, judo waza is not done that badly

[hoIIa31]

can we use aikido on street fights? just wondering...because I'm gonna start taking aikido classes this summer :)

[thatguitarguyguy]

yah. you can use the oppent's momentum against them

[AikidoNord]

take care, it s a very dangerous form for tori who forgot the other hand of uke,

it s ok only for training....

[grygishki]

great move... very nice

[rudasumbwa]

da move is good bt very slow 2

[richardlowenthal]

Sensei, do you think Koshinage depends on weight? I mean, can I use koshinague with a person that has three times my weight?

[oleongomez]

of course, the secret is in the hip. To execute koshinage you must put your hip lower than the attacker hip and rotate your torso while atracting uke body to your center of gravity. Just only Physics

[kyushoaikiguy]

Yes you can...but I wouldn't do it for real. When I was teaching one time I did a koshinage to a dude who weighed in at 375lbs. I did this just illustrate it's not about strength but about leverage and proper body alignment. Again, no way would I have done that in a street fight though.

[kyushoaikiguy]

Keep in mind here fellas that I wasn't trying to teach "street effective, combat style aikido"...I was just teaching a very quick, small technique. This section was about koshinages, or hip throws. Yes, there are lots of ways to counter, defeat, reverse, etc. But isn't that true of everything? If my opponent is stronger, faster, better...I'm probably going to learn how to bleed better.

[Jujutsu4U2Cdirt]

great video though...........good stuff

[Jujutsu4U2Cdirt]

Not trying to start a fight.... :) we are on the same team..... I do krav maga and box as well so I am biased towards striking and kicking to enter for nage or otoshi... I guess I am not patient enough to master the nuances of Aiki.

[Jujutsu4U2Cdirt]

CDBigShow The key to beating BJJ is to be better on the ground than they are....Tenkan isnt gonna do much of anything against an experienced fighter. "aiki" is mostly helpful in nage/Tori's Taisabaki and maai. Do'nt be mistaken in thinking your gonna "blend" with an attack. 10 years of service in army and five years of bouncing has taught be that an attacker is not gonna cooperate with your technique.I respect Aikido for its grace, but I find jujutsu proper to be more effective on teh street.

[Shodan9168]

Very clean. Thanks for posting

[fightnight79]

Wow. That's a nice one. Looks like an uchi mata judo throw. The technique looks really japanese like,of course.

[fightnight79]

Wow.That is a nice one! I might be able to pull it off. Looks kind of like a uchi mata judo throw.

[maccatheguitarist]

what happens when you go to flip him over your hip and he like eye gouges you or grabs your throat and you go down with him.. or he rolls over your back and grabs your neck...then your fucked

[CDBigShow]

Tenkan - Key to beating BJJ

[ninjiujitsu1]

very helpful, thanks alot

[noobiekookie]

LOL at the fart at :42

[afiqsince86]

lol!! i din notice that 1st!! thank YOU!! u just made my day~~ 1 fart joke a day is all i can take~~

[pcjudosambo]

@noobiekookie i've heard tatami make this sound when something drops or slides on it... so it could have been a sound from sensei's feet moving on the tatami. If you closely look at 0:36 and 0:37 he makes that sound as well (because of his feet). So he did not fart, it's the tatami.

[ghettobeats]

Akido is awesome......!st view/comment! YES