Foolish worship Brahma Vishnu and Shiv (Shrimad Devi Bhagwad Part 4)

[sriekadashi]

I think all of you here are limited with names and forms. If God is Supreme Spirit, and SHIVA and SHAKTI are ONE, iseparablle. If Parabrahman is in reality what we call God as Highest Spirit, The Most High, then all of you can realize that all of this divine incarnations and arhetypes of god are THE SAME GOD. Indian scriptures are very contradictionary...

You are limiting GOD who is unlimited and endless by the fucking names and forms. You stucked in all this names and forms. GOD IS ONE.

[royalrohitrajput]

koi kuchh bhi kahe.... lord narayana is great and we should worship him... only lord narayana vishnu and his incarnations also brahma and shiva.....

[kritish0007]

N moreover according to sastra Mahavishnu is saatvic

Brahma ji raajasic

shiva taamasic

N above these all is the nirguna saguna Narayana,, the imeediate plenary xpansion of Krsna... N yeps narayana is krsna as the manyra confirms SHRI KRSNA GOVINDA HARE MURAARI HE NATHA NAARAYANA VAASUDEVA....

[kritish0007]

And this theory of mahakaal enters the body of the lord is just nonsense.... As mahakaal is krsna himself... Om kleem krsnaya .. N maha kaali is his feminine aspect... om kleem kaalikaya namaha

[kritish0007]

Dear bro krsna is never talking abt any oher personality... But rather of himself... As paramatma which enters every atom... U ought to knw that had u read bhagvad gita proprly

[kritish0007]

In the Fifteenth Chapter of Bhagavad-gita it is stated, "sarvasya caham hrdi sannivistah." The Lord is seated in everyone's heart, so this recommendation that one should surrender unto the Supersoul sitting within means that one should surrender unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna. Krsna has already been accepted by Arjuna as the Supreme. He was accepted in the Tenth Chapter as param brahma param dhama.

[eternalsupreme1]

@kritish0007

This is also right. Kaal says that I reside in heart of every soul. But you need to read the next two shloks. In 15.16 it is said that there are two type of Gods, perishable and imperishable. Then in 15.17 he says "but Supreme God is someone else who nurtures everyone by entering in to the lokas". The speaker of Gita is pointing to some other God as the Supreme God.

[kritish0007]

Arjuna has accepted Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the supreme abode of all living entities, not only because of his personal experience but also because of the evidence of great authorities like Narada, Asita, Devala and Vyasa.

[eternalsupreme1]

@kritish0007

Yes Arjun did accept Shir Krishna as Supreme God but under fear when Krishna showed him his viraat form. The crux of the matter is that Viraat form was shown by "kaal god" who actually is the speaker of GIta. Kaal entered the body of Shri Krishna and gave the knowledge of Gita. This is what you need to realise. In 11.32 kaal makes clear by saying that "I have now appeared". If you can make sense of this then you would understand why Krishna is asking Arjun to go to some other god.

[kritish0007]

In Bhagavad Gita Adhyay 7 Shlok 22, it is said that endowed with that faith, he worships that god and obtains the objects of his desire from that god, ordained by me alone. Like, a chief minister says that the lower officials are my servants only. I have given them some powers. The benefit which, those who are dependent on these (officials) receive, is also given by me only, but is not a complete benefit.

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007

In whole Bhagavad Gita god never said I am krishna, however in 8-13 he says I am BRAHAM my mantra is OM and in 11-32 he says I am KAAL. Then why we should not call him BRAHAM or, KAAL instead of KRISHNA?

[kritish0007]

@kr2ashu simple my dear... his greatest devotee never called him brahm or kaal as these are his secondary names like god, savior, creator, or heavenly father etc...

O Lord of the universe, I see in Your universal body many, many forms--bellies, mouths, eyes--expanded without limit. There is no end, there is no beginning, and there is no middle to all this. ARJUNA SEES ALL THIS WHERE??? ANS...IN KRSNA

[kritish0007]

@kr2ashu

Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and is unlimited; thus through Him everything could be seen.

AND HE... I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.

AND HE KRSNA NEED NOT PRESENT HIMSELF TO ARJUNA...COZ ARJUNA KNOWS THAT THE PERSONALITY STANDING IN FRONT OF HIM IS KRSNA... HIS CHILDHOOD COUSIN AND FRND KRSNA...

[kritish0007]

Narayanah paro devas tasmaj jatas caturmukhah tasmad rudro 'bhavad devah sa ca sarva-jnatam gatah.

"Narayana is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and from Him Brahma was born, from whom Siva was born."

[kritish0007]

"In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme Personality Narayana. There was no Brahma, no Siva, no fire, no moon, no stars in the sky, no sun. There was only Krsna, who creates all and enjoys all"

In the many Puranas it is said that Lord Siva was born from the highest, the Supreme Lord Krsna, and the Vedas say that it is the Supreme Lord, the creator of Brahma and Siva, who is to be worshiped. In the Moksa-dharma Krsna also says,

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 yes in the begning there was only the supreme personality Narayana but this is also secondary name . none of vedas says krishna is narayana. also plz clear relation between krishna & vishnu.

Rigved mandal 9 sukta 1 mantra 9 says when supreme god appears as child he drinks milk from a cow who never touched by bull( kunwari Gaay) and there was nothing happen like this with krishna.

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 also arjun was ananya bhakt of krishna then why he need ashwamedha yag to free from sins they have done in war. while he did war because of krishna.

again clear relations between Krishna & vishnu

[kritish0007]

Prajapatim ca rudram capy aham eva srjami vai tau hi mam na vijanito mama maya-vimohitau. "The patriarchs, Siva and others are created by Me, though they do not know that they are created by Me because they are deluded by My illusory energy." In the Varaha Purana it is also said,

narayanah paro devas tasmaj jatas caturmukhah tasmad rudro 'bhavad devah sa ca sarva-jnatam gatah. "Narayana is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and from Him Brahma was born, from whom Siva was born."

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 why krishna is not used for god before dwapar yug? Gita 17-23 says "OM TAT SAT" is mantra of supreme god strictly and in 8-13 says OM is my mantra it also proves that krishna(let gita knowledge giver is krishna) is not supreme god. And the mantras like "namo bhagvate vasudevay" ,"hare krishna hare ram" are use less.

coz Gita 16-23 says if someone not worship according to scripture, they waste away their lives.

[kritish0007]

@kr2ashu

coz Gita 16-23 says if someone not worship according to scripture, they waste away their lives.

Then In the Varaha Purana it is also said,

narayanah paro devas tasmaj jatas caturmukhah tasmad rudro 'bhavad devah sa ca sarva-jnatam gatah. "Narayana is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and from Him Brahma was born, from whom Siva was born."

SO IF ACCORDING TO YOU.. THEN THIS IS SCRIPTURE WHOM ACCORDINGLY EVRYONE MUST WORSHIP NARAYANA... THAT IS EXPANSION OF KRSNA...

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 The vedas appears after ocean churning and Gita knowledge was given by God(let krishna),

while as all purans are written by vyas rishi, and upnishads are by other sages &rishis. You are saying that you belive more upnishads&Purans than Gita&vedas i.e. you belives more on rishi-muni than krishna or, narayana.

This also proves that you does not belives in God but to prove right yourself some times you take reference of Gita and some times purans. again give relation b/w vishnu&krishna

[kritish0007]

@kr2ashu Devotees of mother Durga, say OM SHAKTI( Om being the lord Krsna as mentioned in chpt 10/ text 25 of the Bhagavad Gita ), om shakti means that Durga is the SHAKTI(energy) of OM(krsna). She is the material energy of krsna. In fact in the Brahma samhita it is mentioned that the world we live in is known as Devi Dhama( Planet ruled by devi).

Tis is true. In the millions of cretions of krsna, he appoints durga(his material energy) to control the world we live in.

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 what mother Durga says is more important than what devotees of mother Durga says. In devi Bhagvat puran Durga is saying to himalya(page-562-563) do not worship me chant OM mantra you will get Brahm, in my knowlege Braham is supreme God. shakti, prakriti, aadi maya are the other names of goddess durga. you can say durga is doing work with power of Brahm but can not say durga is energy, she is in human form, there is nothing like material energy concept.

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 Dear, it is always better to read Vedas & Gita by yourself than, believing hearsay.

Again tell the relation between Vishnu&Krishna.

[kritish0007]

@kr2ashu Furthermore, you should not forget that scriptural quotes are important to support your claims.

In the Svetasvatara upanisad(upanisads are loved by Shaivites by the way), it is mentioned by Lord Shiva that: " Mukti-pradata sarvesam visnur eva na samsayah "

which actually means, " There is no doubt that Vishnu(Krsna) is the deliverer of liberation for EVERYONE(includes you). Neither Shiva nor Shakti can save you. They can only laugh at your foolishness for speaking ill of the lord.

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 Furthermore, I prefer God's Knowledge than rishi's knowledge. None of sage can achieve more knowledge than God(krishna/braham/kaal/naraya­na) so, if purans and upnishads contradicts vedas&Gita than at that position purans & upnishads are false. so, to worship supreme god only "OM TAT SAT" should be used.

again tell the relation between Vishnu and krishna.

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 read mahabharat part 2 page 807 how krishna is unable to help yaduvansi. Krishna was not able cancel a single curse, then how can he gave you moksha.

to read mahabharat, purans etc go to

vedpuran*com

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 you can clear your conepts by watching adhyatmik gyan charcha between Gita manishi Gyanand and Jagatguru Rampal Ji Maharaj. go to youtube.com/watch?v=TxjrijQtyI­8

[kritish0007]

@kr2ashu  i would like watch a debate staring this man philosophy and isckon devotee... can you give me a link....

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 No debate was happened between Jagatguru Rampal Ji Mharaj and ISCKON society so I cant provide you link.

This is not philosophy created by Jagatguru Rampal Ji, this is the UGLY TRUTH all satatements are supported by

valid scriptures. Whatever you know before, that is philosophy created by duplicate RISHIS and MUNIS

all are hearsay. you can see, what veadas & Gita says and what that sages followed.

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 Look at your yourself, how much time you have spent worshiping krishna and till today you dont know "krishna is father of vishnu or, vishnu is father of krishna". which type of bhakt you are???

Suppose for a moment krishna gave the knowledge of Gita , In Gita 18-64 he says

" He(that told in 18.62) is also my presiding deity" this also proves Gita Knowledge giving God is not supreme God.

[kritish0007]

@kr2ashu sorry dear for late reply....

well who knows not that krsna is the supreme personality of godhead...

NARAYANA IS NON DIFFERENT FROM KRSNA...

NARAYANA IS KRSNA PLENARY EXPANSIONS....

and i quoted from the puranas just to explain the cause elsewise i dnt refers to them as most are of tamasic gunaas born from sudro guru in their sudro nature....

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 sorry bro I did not read your reply completly after seeing upnishads, sorry again for that.

you said VISHNU=KRISHNA but in previous reply you said Rajgun-Brahma Ji, Satgun-Vishnu Ji, Tamgun-Shiv Ji should not be worshiped only Krishna should be worshiped.

your statements are contradicting each other.

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 watch meaning of Gita 18.66 by ISKON and all other recognized translators

youtube.com/watch?v=PzsPybHeJ6­0

[kritish0007]

@kr2ashu

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gita As It Is 18.66

sarva-dharman parityajya

mam ekam saranam vraja

aham tvam sarva-papebhyo

mokshayishyami ma sucah

BHAGVAAN KRISHNA SAYING;

Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 dear, menaning of VRAJ is GO not COME. why not you look in Gita from ISKCON

youtube.com/watch?v=PzsPybHeJ6­­0

how they making foolish...

[kr2ashu]

@kr2ashu also clear, previously you said satgun-vishnu should not be worshiped and later you said vishnu(krishna) only should be worshiped. Is satgun-vishnu is different from vishnu(krishna) ???

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007 according to vedas krishna is DEMIGOD

goto youtube.com/watch?v=7-6BNviFXA­o

[kritish0007]

n Bhagavad Gita Adhyay 7 Shlok 20, it has been said that because of those material desires, those whose wisdom has been stolen away, they, inspired by their inherent nature, relying on the rule endowed with darkness of ignorance, worship other gods.

In Bhagavad Gita Adhyay 7 Shlok 21, it has been said that the form of whichever god, a devotee wants to worship, I make that devotee’s faith firm in that particular god.

[kritish0007]

In Bhagavad Gita Adhyay 7 Shlok 15, it has been said that those, whose knowledge has been stolen by the Trigun Maya (those who are limited to the worship of Rajgun-Brahma Ji, Satgun-Vishnu Ji, Tamgun-Shiv Ji and the short-lived happiness obtained from these), such low men with demoniac nature, evil-doers and fools, do not worship me. KRSNA

[kr2ashu]

@kritish0007

Then acoording to you who is krishna? Father of Brahma Vishnu & Shiv Ji?

[kritish0007]

now you cannot be more kwoledgeable than SANKARACHARYA OR PRABHUPADA.....

IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO TAKE YOU FOR A GURU.....

AND FORMOST DEVI HERSELF WORSHIPS BHAGAVAN KRSNA ON HER APPAERENCE DAY... IN KAMSA'S DUNGEON READ BHAGAVATAM....

[kritish0007]

Even Adi sankaracharya ( 7 th centuary AD) told the same in his 'Bhajagovindam'. Sickism was not even there at that time.

praaNaayaamaM pratyaahaaraM

nityaanitya vivekavichaaram.h .

jaapyasameta samaadhividhaanaM

kurvavadhaanaM mahadavadhaanam.h

Meaning:

Regulate the pranas, remain unaffected by external influences and discriminate between the real and the fleeting. Chant the holy name of KRSNA and silence the turbulent mind. Perform these with care, with extreme care.

[kritish0007]

Chapter 12, Verse 6-7.

For one who worships Me, giving up all his activities unto Me and being devoted to Me without deviation, engaged in devotional service and always meditating upon Me, who has fixed his mind upon Me, O son of Prtha, for him I am the swift deliverer from the ocean of birth and death.

KRSNA BHAGAVADGITA...

[kritish0007]

WHATS THE AUTHENTICITY OF YOUR THIS BOOK FOR THE MONKEYS???

AND WHAT IF I TELL U ... THOSE WHO WHOSE INTELLIGENCE HAVE BEEN LOST, AND WHO IS FOOLISH THE LOWEST AMONG MANKIND WORSHIPS DEMIGODS, THE REL WISE MAN SURRENDERS UNTO ME, KNOWING ME TO BE THE ULTIMATE GOAL... THE SARVALOKESHWARA,,, SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD... { KRSNA.. BHGVD GITA}

MY AUTHENTICITY IS SRILA PRABHUPADA,,, SRILA BHAKTI VINOD THAKUR... SANT HARIDAS... MEERA... BRAHMADEV...

[eternalsupreme1]

@kritish0007

The book is authentic but monkeys like you cant comprehend it.

What about 18.62?

In18.62. Krishna says "Surrender unto HIM By His grace you will attain transcendental peace and the supreme and eternal abode". Krishna is giving knowledge to Arjun and is talking about some other Supreme God here.

It will take a lot of reading before you can make sense of all this and that is only possible if you read with an open mind. Your so called authentic Gurus are actually not worth a penny.

[MAHESH001able]

this is fake ......... the devi herself is a big foolish who says worshipers of shiva are foolish... this is a crap total crap and even reality says that vishnu , krishna , brahma , and devi all are powerless and useless except SHIVA MAHESHWARA... and devi and that vishnu both are devilish if u believe it or not

[eternalsupreme1]

@MAHESH001able

This is not fake. You probably only know half the story. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are all children of Durga. God Kaal is their father. He is sometimes also referred to as Maheshwara. And even Kaal is not the supreme power. It is evident in Shiv Puran. You can watch it here youtube.com/watch?v=cSh_PGToPg­k

[eternalsupreme1]

Bhagavad Gita Adhyay 7 Shlok 15 - Worshippers of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv are foolish, low among men and of demoniac nature.