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either way we should require strict lifestyles for the "ones in need" because its obvious they need help getting food money etc. so why not make them live a special way so they dont fuck up shit more like training a tree to grow upright. or putting chains on a monkey
big corporations get welfare and tax exemption (general electric) banksters and etc..that the real crime cus they already makes billions annually and still get subsidizes
@kikisweetz Not to say you have no understanding of economics, but, well...you have no understanding of economics. Businesses have EXPENSES. These expenses are passed along to consumers. Income minus expenses equals profits. Profits benefit workers, stock holders and consumers. Taxes are an expense. Bear with me now. EXPENSES ARE PASSED ALONG TO CONSUMERS. Get it? YOU would be paying the taxes dummy! Liberals...sheesh!
this is what i say we do it like jessie ventura did we give them a amount of time to get a job and i dont care about the how bad unemployment is if they dont do it then we cut them off and i say that because i see people with welfare spending money as if their the king/. and if we cut people off of welfare just think of what could happen more money for more people and it would go to the grovernment instead of the low life to lazy to get up
Excuse me... 75% of my town believes the government owes them. 75% of my town is on total government assistance. Why because they would rather sit at home and play Disney games on the Wii video game console than earn their dollar.
@MrBowles760 I know right? Took me 3 years to get grants for College and yet I see fat asses buying beer and using their vouchers or whatever they get. I'm all for helping those who need it, but they need to do their part and get a job.
There is no cycle its as simple as the lower class suffers due to their own disadvantages which is not only caused by misfortune the issue is that they have let it upon themselves no one made them poor
The REAL solution is to invest in things like education and expanding higher education opportunities for the poor. It's NOT to snatch what little hope they have and just say, "Go fuck yourself." Expanding job creation and growth in these communities.
But are Republicans doing that?? HELL NO! They're just bitching and moaning about these programs "causing dependency." And thinking htat if they got rid of this "dependency", they would just all go get high-paying jobs they wouldn't otherwise.
What you seem to FORGET is that poverty was much higher before the War on Poverty. And until the early-to-mid 70s, it DRASTICALLY decreased 10 or almost 10 points! Yes, it flattened out, but what can you say. You can't get rid of all poverty. Of course, the fact is that in some of the most GENEROUS welfare states in Europe, poverty has been pretty low, at or below America's average of 12%. Plus, with the New Deal and Ike's programs in place, poverty was DRAMATICALLY being reduced beforehand
The question should not be, "How can we get people off these programs" but "How can we give them the opportunities necessary to find good-paying jobs so they WON'T need these programs in the long-term"? Besides, it's just common decency to at least have a minimal safety net in bad times when you're laid off from a job you expected to have for a while or when the economy tanks. We NEED automatic stabilizers! Ask any economist with a brain.
You people need to get with reality and stop believing this MYTH that EVERYONE has an equal chance at life if they "work hard enough." I'm sorry, but SOME people are born into poverty and thus have a disadvantage. We need to help THOSE people get the advantages necessary to meet the middle-class and rich, at least theoretically. We don't do that by simply cutting the safety net! Republican thinking on economics DEFIES ALL LOGIC and just doesn't accept ACTUAL empirical research.
It's too focused on THEORETICAL neoclassical BS that simply crashes economies and screws over workers and the poor. You REALLY think we could've just "grown" out of the Depression in a few years or much faster than we did without any New Deal? Dream on, GOP.
Get with the times and throw out those outdated views already.
Her e we go again with more Republican propaganda about how welfare "allows people to live comfortably by just getting checks from the gov't." I'm sorry, but WHERE do you see that occurring? In just about EVERY area of the U.S., unemployment checks are on average $200-300! That's per week or biweekly (one of the two). WHO CAN LIVE COMFORTABLY ON THAT? The claim that all the people who take these programs are "trapped in a cycle of dependence" is such a lie unsupported by actual data.
If we got RID of those programs, the problems would get EVEN WORSE! I mean, if you live in the ghetto, for example, the high-paying jobs are scarce, so it's not like just snatching an unemployment check away is gonna get you much farther. Welfare reform may have gotten people OFF welfare, but it failed in getting them good jobs to replace that loss of income. It didn't invest enough in job training. Plus, the conditions just for GETTING this assistance oftentimes are pretty tough.
You can't just go into a gov't office and say "I want medicaid" or "I want welfare" and 5 minutes later get it guaranteed for life with no questions asked! Besides, in bad economic times, more people go in poverty! That's just HOW IT IS! It's not fucking rocket science. If there aren't many good jobs or opportunities, people are gonna have to resort to this in the meantitme. It's sad, but it's the truth. These programs are TRANSITIONAL (or at least were meant to be that).
Anyone who thinks we can just 'end poverty' with more welfare spending is an idiot, yes. BUT that doesn't mean these programs are failures. They help tide people over UNTIL they can get back on their feet. Snatching it away when they're most vulnerable and forcing them to take the worst jobs out of desperation is NOT a good strategy!
This dependency crap is just blind rhetoric from conservatives who have yet to view a single empirical study or look at actual people's lives.
I can assure you that FEW people who get these programs LIKE the indignity of having to depend on them. They'd much rather get jobs that pay a lot more.
@whoo689 If the NEA allowed teachers to teach, instead of pushing a humanist social agenda, the kids would come out of school with useful knowledge and skills. It doesn't matter what jobs are available if you don't have the education to perform them, especially if you "graduated" from an inner city zoo.
@whoo689 Some people seem to get "lucky" & find jobs 3 days before unemployment runs out. Wonder why unemployment benefits used to average 14 weeks, but now that they have been extended, average 40+ weeks. People don't live comfortably on welfare in the Detroit area--they supplement with jobs under the table, stealing, & untaxed sales of contraband. Many "disadvantaged" have upgraded to become legal experts on "the system". Lib foundations are paying people to register voters at the UE offices..
Wake up White America the Liberal propaganda and politically correct bullshit being shoved down our throats is nothing but a guise to hide the fact that the degenerate people of this country, are destroying it.
If they say a much need goal is to help get people out of poverty and off of welfare, then I cannot say I disagree with Republicans on that stance. However, as great as that sounds, I don't understand why, the very same Republicans who say these things, are responsible for the cuts in funding for vital resources such as MichiganWorks! - organizations that help people get jobs. Perhaps if their actions did not contradict their words, I would feel a little more inclined to believe them.
And Republicans are to blame for why more families have not been able to exit the welfare rolls, with restrictions on education and training - and an hardcore emphasis on 'work first" that led many welfare agencies to proclaim that "any job is a good job," regardless that it paid too little to get a family off welfare, let alone out of poverty. The stats in this piece are very misleading - I'd like to see a similar analysis of how much we spend on corporate welfare and how many jobs result
The social worker's job has ONE aim - to get people off welfare. Welfare recipients are required to accept ANY job- even if it is below the poverty level and keeps them in the same boat they started out in.
What kills me is how loudly Republicans complain about welfare but how quickly they dole it out to those who don't need it - corporations. In this year's budget proposal alone, Republicans are going to the mat to protect $4 BILLION in subsidies to OIL COMPANIES, while the average American taxpayer pays $4/gallon for gas, and struggles to make ends meet. Today the average length of unemployment for out of work Americans reached a record 37 weeks - the longest period of unemployment since WWII
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." – Benjamin Franklin
@gordontaustin benjamin franklin was also a rich fuck lawyer that knew nothing about misery or tough times. the toughest thing he had to get over was syphillis from fucking so many french hookers. hope this helps your fundamentally flawed world view
Please cut off this money, privatize the public schools and fund income qualified only education to any accredited school. We need to role back what the Federal, State and local do for the "poor" as a minimal fully portable benefit that pays at market rates.
Please return Medicaid, education and housing funding responsibility to the States to help this happen. Reform Social Security and Medicare with capped Fed benefits and private market options as we move away from the govt run system.
As a rent seeker living on the government dole, I am offended by Republican attempts to demonize those of use who benefit from the redistribution of wealth. If greed is good, redistribution is better.
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GoodForSociety 1 month ago
Here's an idea stop letting corporations removing from america to other countries.
TheCaliCapitalist 1 month ago
either way we should require strict lifestyles for the "ones in need" because its obvious they need help getting food money etc. so why not make them live a special way so they dont fuck up shit more like training a tree to grow upright. or putting chains on a monkey
R1S3WitDaFALl1N 2 months ago
big corporations get welfare and tax exemption (general electric) banksters and etc..that the real crime cus they already makes billions annually and still get subsidizes
kikisweetz 3 months ago
@kikisweetz Not to say you have no understanding of economics, but, well...you have no understanding of economics. Businesses have EXPENSES. These expenses are passed along to consumers. Income minus expenses equals profits. Profits benefit workers, stock holders and consumers. Taxes are an expense. Bear with me now. EXPENSES ARE PASSED ALONG TO CONSUMERS. Get it? YOU would be paying the taxes dummy! Liberals...sheesh!
gunslinger072 2 months ago
this is what i say we do it like jessie ventura did we give them a amount of time to get a job and i dont care about the how bad unemployment is if they dont do it then we cut them off and i say that because i see people with welfare spending money as if their the king/. and if we cut people off of welfare just think of what could happen more money for more people and it would go to the grovernment instead of the low life to lazy to get up
mrjublife 6 months ago
Excuse me... 75% of my town believes the government owes them. 75% of my town is on total government assistance. Why because they would rather sit at home and play Disney games on the Wii video game console than earn their dollar.
MrBowles760 7 months ago 2
@MrBowles760 I know right? Took me 3 years to get grants for College and yet I see fat asses buying beer and using their vouchers or whatever they get. I'm all for helping those who need it, but they need to do their part and get a job.
Gamer1990100 6 months ago
There is no cycle its as simple as the lower class suffers due to their own disadvantages which is not only caused by misfortune the issue is that they have let it upon themselves no one made them poor
LogPog118 7 months ago
The REAL solution is to invest in things like education and expanding higher education opportunities for the poor. It's NOT to snatch what little hope they have and just say, "Go fuck yourself." Expanding job creation and growth in these communities.
But are Republicans doing that?? HELL NO! They're just bitching and moaning about these programs "causing dependency." And thinking htat if they got rid of this "dependency", they would just all go get high-paying jobs they wouldn't otherwise.
whoo689 8 months ago
What you seem to FORGET is that poverty was much higher before the War on Poverty. And until the early-to-mid 70s, it DRASTICALLY decreased 10 or almost 10 points! Yes, it flattened out, but what can you say. You can't get rid of all poverty. Of course, the fact is that in some of the most GENEROUS welfare states in Europe, poverty has been pretty low, at or below America's average of 12%. Plus, with the New Deal and Ike's programs in place, poverty was DRAMATICALLY being reduced beforehand
whoo689 8 months ago
The question should not be, "How can we get people off these programs" but "How can we give them the opportunities necessary to find good-paying jobs so they WON'T need these programs in the long-term"? Besides, it's just common decency to at least have a minimal safety net in bad times when you're laid off from a job you expected to have for a while or when the economy tanks. We NEED automatic stabilizers! Ask any economist with a brain.
whoo689 8 months ago
You people need to get with reality and stop believing this MYTH that EVERYONE has an equal chance at life if they "work hard enough." I'm sorry, but SOME people are born into poverty and thus have a disadvantage. We need to help THOSE people get the advantages necessary to meet the middle-class and rich, at least theoretically. We don't do that by simply cutting the safety net! Republican thinking on economics DEFIES ALL LOGIC and just doesn't accept ACTUAL empirical research.
whoo689 8 months ago
It's too focused on THEORETICAL neoclassical BS that simply crashes economies and screws over workers and the poor. You REALLY think we could've just "grown" out of the Depression in a few years or much faster than we did without any New Deal? Dream on, GOP.
Get with the times and throw out those outdated views already.
whoo689 8 months ago
Corporate Welfare Reform Act I mean
whoo689 8 months ago
How about the CORPORATE Welfare Act of 2011?
whoo689 8 months ago
Her e we go again with more Republican propaganda about how welfare "allows people to live comfortably by just getting checks from the gov't." I'm sorry, but WHERE do you see that occurring? In just about EVERY area of the U.S., unemployment checks are on average $200-300! That's per week or biweekly (one of the two). WHO CAN LIVE COMFORTABLY ON THAT? The claim that all the people who take these programs are "trapped in a cycle of dependence" is such a lie unsupported by actual data.
whoo689 8 months ago
If we got RID of those programs, the problems would get EVEN WORSE! I mean, if you live in the ghetto, for example, the high-paying jobs are scarce, so it's not like just snatching an unemployment check away is gonna get you much farther. Welfare reform may have gotten people OFF welfare, but it failed in getting them good jobs to replace that loss of income. It didn't invest enough in job training. Plus, the conditions just for GETTING this assistance oftentimes are pretty tough.
whoo689 8 months ago
You can't just go into a gov't office and say "I want medicaid" or "I want welfare" and 5 minutes later get it guaranteed for life with no questions asked! Besides, in bad economic times, more people go in poverty! That's just HOW IT IS! It's not fucking rocket science. If there aren't many good jobs or opportunities, people are gonna have to resort to this in the meantitme. It's sad, but it's the truth. These programs are TRANSITIONAL (or at least were meant to be that).
whoo689 8 months ago
Anyone who thinks we can just 'end poverty' with more welfare spending is an idiot, yes. BUT that doesn't mean these programs are failures. They help tide people over UNTIL they can get back on their feet. Snatching it away when they're most vulnerable and forcing them to take the worst jobs out of desperation is NOT a good strategy!
This dependency crap is just blind rhetoric from conservatives who have yet to view a single empirical study or look at actual people's lives.
whoo689 8 months ago
I can assure you that FEW people who get these programs LIKE the indignity of having to depend on them. They'd much rather get jobs that pay a lot more.
whoo689 8 months ago
@whoo689 If the NEA allowed teachers to teach, instead of pushing a humanist social agenda, the kids would come out of school with useful knowledge and skills. It doesn't matter what jobs are available if you don't have the education to perform them, especially if you "graduated" from an inner city zoo.
GetItRight4aChange 7 months ago
@whoo689 Some people seem to get "lucky" & find jobs 3 days before unemployment runs out. Wonder why unemployment benefits used to average 14 weeks, but now that they have been extended, average 40+ weeks. People don't live comfortably on welfare in the Detroit area--they supplement with jobs under the table, stealing, & untaxed sales of contraband. Many "disadvantaged" have upgraded to become legal experts on "the system". Lib foundations are paying people to register voters at the UE offices..
GetItRight4aChange 7 months ago
Wake up White America the Liberal propaganda and politically correct bullshit being shoved down our throats is nothing but a guise to hide the fact that the degenerate people of this country, are destroying it.
JHK801 8 months ago 3
why the redneck hillbilly music?
derekpeters04 10 months ago
If they say a much need goal is to help get people out of poverty and off of welfare, then I cannot say I disagree with Republicans on that stance. However, as great as that sounds, I don't understand why, the very same Republicans who say these things, are responsible for the cuts in funding for vital resources such as MichiganWorks! - organizations that help people get jobs. Perhaps if their actions did not contradict their words, I would feel a little more inclined to believe them.
feedthekoala 11 months ago
Work for food, lodging, etc. Earn your keep , don't just lay back and wait for the socialists to hand it to you.
joeasmythe 11 months ago 2
@joeasmythe kind of hard when 1% of the population owns 80% of the wealth. it took me 3 seconds to look that up.
AGayBaby 8 months ago
And Republicans are to blame for why more families have not been able to exit the welfare rolls, with restrictions on education and training - and an hardcore emphasis on 'work first" that led many welfare agencies to proclaim that "any job is a good job," regardless that it paid too little to get a family off welfare, let alone out of poverty. The stats in this piece are very misleading - I'd like to see a similar analysis of how much we spend on corporate welfare and how many jobs result
SupaD77 11 months ago
@SupaD77
The social worker's job has ONE aim - to get people off welfare. Welfare recipients are required to accept ANY job- even if it is below the poverty level and keeps them in the same boat they started out in.
sophsmmy 10 months ago
What kills me is how loudly Republicans complain about welfare but how quickly they dole it out to those who don't need it - corporations. In this year's budget proposal alone, Republicans are going to the mat to protect $4 BILLION in subsidies to OIL COMPANIES, while the average American taxpayer pays $4/gallon for gas, and struggles to make ends meet. Today the average length of unemployment for out of work Americans reached a record 37 weeks - the longest period of unemployment since WWII
SupaD77 11 months ago
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." – Benjamin Franklin
gordontaustin 11 months ago 10
@gordontaustin benjamin franklin was also a rich fuck lawyer that knew nothing about misery or tough times. the toughest thing he had to get over was syphillis from fucking so many french hookers. hope this helps your fundamentally flawed world view
AGayBaby 8 months ago
Please cut off this money, privatize the public schools and fund income qualified only education to any accredited school. We need to role back what the Federal, State and local do for the "poor" as a minimal fully portable benefit that pays at market rates.
Please return Medicaid, education and housing funding responsibility to the States to help this happen. Reform Social Security and Medicare with capped Fed benefits and private market options as we move away from the govt run system.
1isaM111er 11 months ago
Johnson was a CROOK! He was a criminal who was elected as President, hmmm that happens a lot lately.
msanthropez 11 months ago 2
I assume Anaconda is kidding.
paulalwilson 11 months ago
@paulalwilson I would hope she is! But, you never know these days!
msmtnbkr 11 months ago
As a rent seeker living on the government dole, I am offended by Republican attempts to demonize those of use who benefit from the redistribution of wealth. If greed is good, redistribution is better.
Anaconda12USA 11 months ago