One of the best discussions of QM I've ever heard.
However, at the very end: @doctordave, you confused topics: Penrose was trying to explore where and how "free will" can manifest from quantum effects. Your dismissal was that free will does not explain consciousness. Penrose was not explaining consciousness, but free will; the two are separate concepts. A more appropriate analogy: An indeterminable amount of fluid LEAKAGE = indeterminacy = a break from determinacy = allowance for free will.
@BigMTBrain I'm not sure I agree. I mean - he's certainly saying more than "QM allows for a universe that is not strictly deterministic" - in other words it makes a PLACE for free will. granted it's been 15 years since I read tENM, but I'm pretty sure his argument implied a QM-based mechanism that explains HOW IT IS THAT THE BRAIN CAN MAKE A CONSCIOUS CHOICE, which is very different.
@doctordave -OHHH! Ha ha. I haven't even read tENM. I was going strictly off of that portion that you related at the end of your talk. In the fuller context then, I can see your point. Again, great, GREAT presentation. Thank you!!!
One of the best discussions of QM I've ever heard.
However, at the very end: @doctordave, you confused topics: Penrose was trying to explore where and how "free will" can manifest from quantum effects. Your dismissal was that free will does not explain consciousness. Penrose was not explaining consciousness, but free will; the two are separate concepts. A more appropriate analogy: An indeterminable amount of fluid LEAKAGE = indeterminacy = a break from determinacy = allowance for free will.
BigMTBrain 1 year ago
@BigMTBrain I'm not sure I agree. I mean - he's certainly saying more than "QM allows for a universe that is not strictly deterministic" - in other words it makes a PLACE for free will. granted it's been 15 years since I read tENM, but I'm pretty sure his argument implied a QM-based mechanism that explains HOW IT IS THAT THE BRAIN CAN MAKE A CONSCIOUS CHOICE, which is very different.
doctordave 1 year ago
@doctordave -OHHH! Ha ha. I haven't even read tENM. I was going strictly off of that portion that you related at the end of your talk. In the fuller context then, I can see your point. Again, great, GREAT presentation. Thank you!!!
BigMTBrain 1 year ago
Hard to see whats going on in the board... but good to put it up anyway :)
unassumption 1 year ago
hi doc...
I saw an icon of this movie of the "cat of schrodinger"...
Just asking: is the cat not an observer as well? And what does that do with the QM interpretation?
johannesvalks 2 years ago 2
more teachers should upload their lectures.
lindsey2021 2 years ago 2
Very well done! This has clarified quite a few misconceptions . Do you intend to post more of these sorts of lectures?
HyperShad0w 3 years ago 4
~Thanks Doc
jareddann11 3 years ago 3