Response to vegan propaganda #14 - parents

[rockyqw12]

Thank you for the hard work you've put in your videos. It's next to impossible to find videos supporting meat consumption here, as most of them are voted down by votebots and do not appear in the first few pages.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@rockyqw12, I don't think that they make big use of spambots, I think they are rather mostly bored kids with too much idle time to vote down stuff that does not fit their alienated views.

[vappole]

The fact that something is widely assumed to be wrong, does not imply it is wrong. Vegans do not take away anyone's freedom of choice. Nice try with putting articles with side-effects on veganism, why don't you do the same with animal based diets? Why do you consider vegans as imposing their choice on their children, it is animal eaters who force them to eat meat! And they can do so only by lying to their children about where their food comes from (no child would actually kill and eat a bunny)

[synapflux]

@vappole Typical biased and defensive response to something you don't want to hear.

[WeaselBoy112]

@vappole that is so irrelevant and stupid, people who eat meat do not force there kids to eat meat and if a child asks where the meat comes from the parents will always answer that it came from a farm or animal and if we didn't eat meat then say goodbye to cows and chickens because without us they will be extinct

[madcat789]

Oh you think the parents are bad,you have no idea. Once a while ago in kindergarden i was eating a sandwich with my classmates. It wasn't much,mearely ham,onions and abit of salt. My friend wanted to switch sandwichses with me and so we did,and when he took a bite out of it his face lit. He asked,what was in it and i told him the contents. He froze and dropped the sandwich. "My parents say eating meat is bad." He said. I said, "But they make you big and strong." Yeah,he was grounded for that.

[KawaiiKemonomimi]

@madcat789 Wow man, that's messed up! Poor kid. All well, maybe he'll make happier, healthier life choices when he gets the Hell out of his parents' home. X-D

[madcat789]

@KawaiiKemonomimi You have no idea...his parents son returned and tried to turn ME vegan..then my parents got involved...it was horrible.

[neilhack10]

Pubmed looks like a veggie propaganda website guys. Most of the articles there talk about the "benefits" of veggie diet to body. Don't search "vegan/vegetarian

" there . 

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@neilhack10, feel free to cite some. What I found about a vegan diet in childhood was, well, not that encouraging…

[neilhack10]

Pubmed looks like a veggie propaganda website guys. Most of the articles there talk about the "benefits" of veggie diet to body. Don't search "vegan/vegetarian" there .

[neilhack10]

I just searched for vegan/vegetarian in pubmed. most of the articles listed there talks about the benefit of a vegan diet to the Human body. Does that mean we should stick to a vegitarian diet? what is your point?

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@neilhack10 you must have installed a very interesting version of PubMed… Please make a more exhaustive response to the video. Veggies (and their supporters) tell a lot of things, hardly any of them proved to be even remotely accurate.

[neilhack10]

@ThatGuyFromAustria

I searched again in pubmed ( NIH ), just like you said, and most of the articles are studies in which the veggie had something better about his body or another. Remove the pubmed part from your video or more people will become veggies thinking it is healthy.

[skadeline]

the problem is not the diet, it is the attention! these people know better than the others what is good or bad for our health... before becoming vegan, they studied it ! (or they are stupid)

I mean, the problem IS NOT the diet you give to your children but the attention... I am sure these people give not GMO products to their children! whereas all the others go everyday to the McDonalds, wooooh so coooool ! oh my dear son, would you eat more death again ? cancer, disease, mmmhhh...

[madcat789]

@ThatGuyFromAustria

Sir, although it is true the Veggies are healthy for us, and we make much use of them, they should not being the only thing within out diet. Is that what you have been trying to convey with your videos?

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@madcat789 Implicitely I guess so, but the general idea is that you should question what people tell you and accept the answers you find no matter if you like them or not, or, in short: Don't just own a brain, use it.

[madcat789]

@ThatGuyFromAustria Ah, such words spoken by a man who has undoubtly lived them. Now, if only those Ultra-Vegans and Super-Christians would follow your advice...

[Esto695]

There was an article in the NY Times about how these Vegan parents malnourished their child and it almost died. There was also an article on MSNBC.com with a similar story but the child was only a month or two old and actually died of malnutrition.

[dekitai20]

I just read your website, and I must say I feel sorry for you (not meaning to be patronizing). You seem quite confused. You don't understand the point of veganism. As you say on your website, humans can live healthily without meat, and we don't abstain from it because we can (because as you said, that would be stupid), we abstain from it because we don't want to be the cause of suffering of those animals.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20: Buddy, I have bad news for you: Each minute you are resting in your comfortable 1st world country, you are causing more damage, more animal suffering than a savage does in a year. So, why don't you just move to the tundra?

[dekitai20]

@ThatGuyFromAustria I am fully aware of that. But I was born here and I don't think they would want me in the tundra anyways... I just do what I can to reduces the suffering I cause.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20: Only one thing to say: FUCKING HYPOCRITE! Practise what you preach! You don't do what you can "to reduce suffering", you don't do that at all, you just wanna think yourself superior to other people. Put your money were your mouth is!

[dekitai20]

@ThatGuyFromAustria I didn't want to mention this, but maybe you have noticed I haven't tried to insult you and calling you "bastard" and and capsizing angry words at you... I just meant to discuss with you about why I am vegan and that is because I am aware that my very existence in this world causes suffering to others but that I have the opportunity to help in some ways and reduce the suffering. Do you mean to say that there would not be more suffering if I ate animals?

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20: sorry, buddy, but if somebody is a fucking hypocrite, he is a fucking hypocrite, and I insist on being honest. If you would be really trying to reduce suffering and not just keep being an arrogant prick, the first thing you'd do is move away from wealth. But that's uncomfortable, isn't it? You may watch my antivegn video #10 on behalf on the topic of cruelty.

[dekitai20]

You say horrible , horrible things in this video. You claim to be educated and point at other peoples egos but all we can see through this video is your own. This video is a display of blunt ignorance and is very offensive.

[ANTRIEB3000]

American dietetic Association: " A well palaned vegan, or any other kind of vegetarian diet is good for all phases of live, including pregnancy, lactation, puperty and childhood...." Mankind survived national socialism. it will survive specisism.. 100 years from now people will look back, look at what we did to other species and ask their selfs how could we be so damn dull and stupid.. u think human kind, the most violent and distructive species on earth is natures crown? - think again, u monkey

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@ANTRIEB3000 @ANTRIEB3000 I guess you check out my rtvp#15 - it deals with exactly that ADA-paper. Enjoy yourself.

[pirox1234]

as a meat eater, i wouldn't force tell my children (when i have) to eat something they dislike, and as much i am against vegans and stuff, i would help my kids if they wanted to do that stuff, i can't believe there is people that force their kids go vegan, not because of a religious/cultural thing, just because they dont like meat

[dekitai20]

@pirox1234 Kids need parents to make choices for them and parents raise their children according to their values. Meat eaters raise their children with meat and vegans don't. I could just as well tell you the same thing: ''meat eaters force their kids to eat meat!'' its just how they chose to raise their children, and they do it healthfully.

[Guncriminal]

You look just like MrCropper.

[FrailHumanCondition]

5* for zombies ate my neighbors chainsaw hedgemaze music

[Asparagooose]

7. "Because only the careless or the stupid endanger the health of loved ones that cannot be backed up rationally" - my argument exactly

[Asparagooose]

1. you are not "all-knowing"?

2. what are these topics that you "have quite a knowledge of" exactly? : /

3. your logic is.... .... ... anyway

4. i can ride a bike also : )

5. 'mankind' = sexist

5. a vegan diet may put a child's health at risk... but a meat-based diet will pose a SLIGHTLY higher risk to an animal

6. You target children's lack of intelligence while at the same time using an animals lack of intelligence to justify killing it. Why don't we eat children?

[pirox1234]

wtf? eating children is cannibalism

[badong28]

Riding a bike with out brakes, falling out of windows. I'm unconvinced that these are comparable actions.

Also you can call people stupid as much as you like but being stupid and being right are not mutually exclusive.

Climate change and environmental concern play a large role in vegan ideology and will also the future generations. A video on this would be interesting.

[bugninja80]

Great video. As a former vegetarian who origionally was doing it for health reason, I can safely say after my experience and much research it is not healthier. No way is it healthier.

[lordAbbA]

And oyu were vegetarian ! not vegan ;)

[bugninja80]

Thanks for the reminder what's your point?

[lordAbbA]

that even you as an vegetarien, realized that it isn't healthy and veganism is much worse

[bugninja80]

Exactly. Ethics is one thing but biology is another it was actually the most unhealthy I have ever been I think.

[dekitai20]

@bugninja80 you must have done something wrong. Were you on one of those crazy eat-only-carrots diet? Because I became vegan two years ago and I feel better than ever, I am even running a half-marathon at the end of the month...

[bugninja80]

@dekitai20 No it wasn't an all carrot diet. I didn't do anything wrong, I pay attention to my diet very closely before and after my vege experience. It's not for everybody and the fact I started when I was 25 probably had a lot to do with it. That's great you are running a marathon it's not like vegans are incapable of doing physical things but it's not to say you couldn't do the same or better with a heathly occasional meat diet. I would go on but I only have 500 characters.

[dekitai20]

@bugninja80 I am sorry to be asking so many questions but you mentioned that your diet was not vegan, so were you eating a lot of dairy? Because that can possibly have an adverse effect. Once mammals have weaned, they don't need milk and continuous intake can actually hinder optimal health... Anyway, I am not claiming that you cannot be healthy on an omni diet. Just that it is possible, and easier than some people would like you to think, to not eat animals if you care about them.

[bugninja80]

@dekitai20 Feel free to ask as many questions as you like. I know eating a lot of dairy can be bad whether or not you eat meat. I was very careful to monitor that. A vegan diet is possible I know many vegans I have nothing against it. I just don't believe in the extreme health benefits some vegans talk about and false information about some things. My friend was a vegan for 7 years he was still in excellent shape. He incorporated some fish and dairy into his diet and (Continued)

[bugninja80]

@dekitai20 (Part 2) & he said he has been stronger than he has ever been. He still thinks a vegan diet is fine too. But it does have some drawbacks in addition u have to do ur research and follow your diet closely. Meat diets have their drawbacks too, but every person is different & somethings work for some people that won't work for others. But all due respect the fact that I eat meat does not mean I hate animals, I still have respect even for those that I eat and I am against factory farming.

[diaverde09]

humans are omnivores.  Basic biology.

[ironman711]

That is so true. Many vegans say meat eaters have egos but they themselves have bigger egos than any other person on the planet.

[dekitai20]

@ironman711 ok ok, everyone has egos, whatever

[Bazompora]

"Vegan parenting", another paradoxal quest some humans embark upon.

It just doesn't make sense: not alone does the very act of breeding humans maintain competition over land and resources with the other species, with mainly casualties from humans upon the non-human side; it puts other animals at risk of being either consumed, tested upon or simpy toyed with by their offspring.

And on the flipside, they also willingly bring certain harm to their kids by bringing them into an extreme lifestyle.

[BigLaloBLC]

What is extreme abput veganism ?

[Bazompora]

What is extreme about bungee jumping?

Most people don't die of either - but in both, the risk of irrepairable consequences is greater than in a common lifestyle.

[BigLaloBLC]

Im sorry but you just compared a nutritionally recommended diet to bungee jumping.

[Bazompora]

Recommended by some, yes

Recommendable, no.

[BigLaloBLC]

Well I'll gladly take the recommendation from a nutritionsist as opposed to a complete stranger on the internet. Its been proven that a predominantly raw vegan diet can reverse heart disease.

[Bazompora]

Medication can reverse heart disease aswell. But would you therefore consider it safe to administer such treatment to a healthy kid?

Quacks are of all times, but victims have allready fallen; what more is needed to make you understand how real the danger of involuntary malnutrition is with veganism?

[BigLaloBLC]

Ive never seen proof that medication can reverse heart disease and there's one good reason, it cant. Veganism doesnt equal malnutrition. Nutritional and Dietary ignorance cause malnutrition. Do your research make your own informed opinion. Its up to you.

[Bazompora]

What makes you believe that just not eating (and wearing) animal products can really accomplish something like reversing narrowed arteries and genetic disorders?

Can anything say more articulatedly mumbo jumbo?

[BigLaloBLC]

Like I stated before please do your research, if youre lazy look it up on youtube. Many people with heart disease have been recommended a vegan diet, its not a secret.

[Bazompora]

I beg for nuance:

people WITH heart disease are allready at great risk of premature death; for them, a radically fatless saltless diet would reduce morbidity. But that still doesn't make it a lifestyle as riskless as the average is; nor does it actually reverse ones condition to heart-diseaseless.

The analogy with heart pills is in place:

it's not healthy for a healthy person.

[BigLaloBLC]

Veganism can reverse heart disease its a proven fact. Considering the average lifestyle in the USA is one of great malnutrition, I would reconsider your statement.

[Bazompora]

The average lifestyle from the USA doesn't put children at risk of mental retardation, physical deformities and failure of organs. Fats are essential to developping infants' brains and a low-fat diet equals malnutrition for them. The problem with overweight children in the US is to blame on the excessive amounts of carbohydrates they shove down (breakfast cereals + bread + junk food + processed "meat" + sweetened soft drinks + ...).

[BigLaloBLC]

What's your point? Veganism doesnt cause anything you described. The standard american diet has been linked to the failure of organs, cancer, parkinsons and other forms of neurological degeneration, cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, depression, heart attack, stroke, heart disease, etc. An infants diet should consist almost exclusively of a mothers lactation which provides all of the required nutrion. Human lactation is vegan, so whats your point.

[Bazompora]

So ... human milk is vegan, but cow milk is not? Again: makes no sense! Both are animal products.

Alcohol, tobacco, overweight and a lack in vital nutrients are the factors that will create the health issues mentioned; animal products are no direct cause.

In fact, consuming animal nutrients is the best failsafe against deficiencies due to an imbalanced diet; and you and I both know most people tend to have exactly that - without realising.

[irishjoesbar]

This video is completely incorrect :)

[Bazompora]

... and Area 51 harbors live aliens :)

[irishjoesbar]

Yes but i actually have facts that prove this video is completely incorrect :)

[Bazompora]

And I have proof that there are live aliens at Area 51; and just like you, I'm not gonna show it. :)

To not put a child at risk with a vegan diet, you need to have no less than full knowledge about nutrition.

"Meat eaters" only get obese and develop heart disease as consequence thereof, if they have a highly unbalanced diet.

For vegans however, as there is no margin for errors, an unbalanced diet can quickly lead up to permanent damage; and that before one becomes aware of the situation!

[BigLaloBLC]

Believe what you will, I cant change your mind and honestly I dont want to I just wish you would open it and make an unbiased decision as to what you believe.

[Bazompora]

I did.

But science and evidence have won the case. Veganism is like driving a motorcycle without wearing a helmet: as long as no accidents happen, you''re no worse off than a biker with a helmet; it is when mistakes are made, that the consequences show to be dire for especially the children among vegans.

[BigLaloBLC]

Heres where youre wrong. Making dietary choices (vegan or non-vegan) unlike driving is not in anyway affected by other peoples actions, the individuals or parents have complete control of the circumstances. There seems to be a fallacy in your analogy. The truth is that unless you have ever experienced both forms of dietary choices and lifestyles, everything you state is pure speculation. Accept it already.

[Bazompora]

As if every accident is due to other people than the driver! No, the analogy was quite pertinent.

If anything is fallacious, it is the often invoked argument, that you can't judge something correctly without having experienced it. Is it then also "pure speculation" that I'd have fatal trauma by driving up against a tree at 300 Km/h, if I haven't delivered the evidence in person?

[BigLaloBLC]

Does marijuana truly cause madness? Many people believed that it did because, it was "scientifically" proven. You underestimate the media and the governments ability to influence ones perception of the world we live in today. Choose ignorance as your vice if you feel inclined to do so. You know Im right, and like I said you dont know uunless youve experienced it.

[Bazompora]

As if.

I'm quite aware that the media, governments, but also NGOs and all sorts of associations, let out information in a way to lure you in particular lines of thinking. But you're using that as a cop-out, to not bother separating the wheat from the chaff.

And yes, marihuana can cause madness, even lasting; it's proven beyound reasonable doubt, by the numbers of users on which it has induced psychosis, aswell as through scientific methods.

Or would you deem it suitable to hand it to kids?

[BigLaloBLC]

The fact that you wrote this is evidence alone of your unwillingness to seek the truth. "And yes, marihuana can cause madness, even lasting; it's proven beyound reasonable doubt, by the numbers of users on which it has induced psychosis, aswell as through scientific methods." You actually stated that and you actually meant it. wow.

[Bazompora]

Yes, I mean it: I'm not going to test out the long-term effects of pot on myself!

[BigLaloBLC]

I rest my case. Good luck in life, Peace.

[irishjoesbar]

You just lost the ironic effect the the area 51 thing now :)

As i said before

If you have a basic understanding of nutrition a vegan diet is a much healthier choice :)

And the child wont grow up to be a sick shit munching animal killer

[Bazompora]

You just lost all remaining appearance of objectivity with the "sick shit munching animal killer" thing now. :)

[irishjoesbar]

It would help you to actually respond with an argument :)

Because you just look like an ignorant sprag at the moment :)

[irishjoesbar]

Oh but wait...you have no argument :)

Everything ive said has been proven correct

You can go now :)

[Bazompora]

What was left to respond to?

You just kept repeating yourself, while my argument was given the first time allready.

That reminds me: if I'm not mistaken, one of ThatGuyFromAustria's responses to vegan propaganda deals with exactly that kind of kiddie rethorics.

[irishjoesbar]

You know when he says raising a child vegan puts them at risk

yeah it does

If you have 0 knowledge of what nutrition is :)

Other wise it is much healthier than a meat diet

And they wont be obese or get heart disease

Because for meat eaters it is a 50% chance for vegetarians/vegans its a 4% chance

[BigLaloBLC]

Humans drinking human milk makes perfect sense, particularly since lactation ends as the child grows older. Hence the fact that milk is not necessary for adults. Vegetables have ore nutrients than meat does thats just basic nutrition. You should actually learn what you are talking about before making blind assumptions. Consuming meat is a viable dieatary option, and when incorporated into ones diet properly can be useful, but its not the only dietary option. Open your mind.

[Bazompora]

Oh, I am opening my mind, without prejudice against entire food groups.

But, you're right about that one thing: meat can effectively be replaced by dairy, eggs or other fatty animal products.

Yet, you're wrong on that vegetables have more nutrients; many nutrients in vegetables cannot be digested by humans, whereas meat is more dense in digestible nutrients.

[dekitai20]

@Bazompora human milk is given willingly, not cow milk.

The increasing consumption of animal products is a major contributing factor of overweightness you mentioned. Meat does not contain all of the nutrients necessary to balance a diet. What is lacking the most in Americans diets are fibers, vitamins and minerals, all nutrients that are found in very low quantity in meat.

[Bazompora]

@dekitai20 A human CAN live with a slow transit, y'know. Yet, I never said that we're carnivores; it's proven beyound doubt, that we're omnivores. We however cannot miss the amino acids and vitamins found in animal derivates.

And if anything, OVERconsumption is the main contributing factor to overweight. As animal products contain more nutrients (contrary to vegetables, of which most isn't absorbed), they shouldn't be munched down on as fillers.

[dekitai20]

@Bazompora Please don't say that there is more nutrients in meat because it is plain not true. Meat contains no vitamin A, no vitamin C, no fibers, and contain saturated fats and cholesterol. All of the essential amino-acids are available in the vegetable kingdom; some plants even offer a complete protein in themselves. If meat and dairy are not over-consumed, the omni diet can be perfectly healthy, just like the vegan diet can be perfectly healthy if a variety of plants are eaten...

[Bazompora]

@dekitai20

Sorry~, but I will maintain what I said: meat not only contains the full set of essential amino acids, but Vitamin A and C also DO occur in meat, liver in particular. With a modest intake of any kind of animal products, there's a 0% chance left to incur an insufficiency in what are the building blocks of our most indispensable molecules.

Compare that to combining vegetable matter to assemle all the essential amino acids in your meals; not something you want to do haphazardly, no?

[dekitai20]

@Bazompora Like I said, by eating a variety of grains and legumes (not necessarily in the same meal and without calculating anything) you get more than enough proteins on a vegan diet. Thats simple enough for me to plan out and I am quite healthy.

[Bazompora]

@dekitai20

... or so you'd like to believe.

The way I see it, you ARE playing with your life in the long run. You're only 23, so for how much of your life could you possibly allready have been raiding your own health?

But hey, aslong as you only do it to yourself, then who am I to object?

[dekitai20]

@Bazompora Well I know rather old people who never regretted becoming vegan and who are quite healthy, not the healthiest on the planet but certainly not worst than most... Since its just how you see things, there is not much more to say. I wish you to be happy and healthy :)

[Bazompora]

@dekitai20

Why, thank you.

But shouldn't every parent also wish their children to be happy and healthy? Vegans aren't among the healthiest (sure, they beat the super-sized and the undernourished), being on par with heavy meat-eaters; so, in line with the topic, shouldn't parents prioritize their parental responsility for their children's health over applying their ideology?

[dekitai20]

@Bazompora animal transfats? (the wearing obviously has nothing to do with it if you were wondering)

[ruonitb]

"ThatGuyFromAustria", what do you think about the ADA (American Dietetic Association)?

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

Of course I know that paper: "It is the position of The ADA that vegetarian diets are [...] adequate when appropriately planned.'', quote: "appropriately planned". I'll send you a link to this paper, it is in no way a carte blanche, this particular paper mentions a lot of risks and precautions to be taken if you don't want to damage your health, facit: It is possible, but risky. And in my humble opinion, a risk that should be forced on those who cannt decide for themselves.

[ruonitb]

Ok, so you say that non-vegan diets are healthy even if they aren't planned, right?

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

Our species exists for about 150 000 years now - can you remember any prehistoric food-plans??? Even those guys who live on schnitzel, beer and pizza do not need supplements to survive, what makes you even think that a diet where you NEED that stuff not to severely damage your health can possibly be any better? I agree that there are many eating-habits that could be questioned, but replacing "improveable" by "dangerous" is a choice only stupid people would make.

[ruonitb]

Certain evitable diseases among the "top-killers" are mainly caused by nutrition (in germany the top-killers are cardiovascular diseases and cancer).

If people would actually plan their diets, the huge number of deaths per year (related to these diseases) could be reduced drastically.

The only supplement I'd recommend for vegans are Vitamine B12 supplements; though, a Vitamine B12 deficiency isn't a "vegan" problem only. The supply of enriched food isn't there, because of the vegans.

[ruonitb]

It's there because there is a need for Vitamine B12 amongst omnivores as well.

However, for most vegans, it doesn't really matter anyway wether they have to take (a) supplement(s) or not.

[dekitai20]

@ThatGuyFromAustria Any diet needs to be appropriately planned. if meet eaters don't plan their diets properly they end up obese! Obviously you need to eat more than just carrots. You don't need a phd to plan a vegan diet...

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20: Aha. So, for thousands over thousands of years, people actually all were obese, ey? I am obese, 99.3% of all people in Europe are obese, WAKE UP! Skip your f.cking Bambi-syndrome, and get real! Do you really believe that bullshit you just wrote?

[dekitai20]

@ThatGuyFromAustria Yes I believe what I just wrote. If you just eat fried chicken everyday you will be fat. You just seemed to imply that planning a diet was somehow a cumbersome thing or something we shouldn't have to bother. I was just telling you that vegans as well as non-vegans need to plan their diets to be healthy.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20, no, with an omnivore diet you don't need to plan anything in the sense that you don't need more than the usual common sense, something that is dramatically different with a vegan diet. The mere fact you put "omnivore diet" on the same level with somebody stuffing himself with fried chicken only shows what a narrow minded prejudice-ridden bastard you are.

[dekitai20]

@ThatGuyFromAustria I am sorry you are so angry and sincerely hope you get over it. I can assure you that a vegan diet does not require more than an omnivore diet to be healthy. If one eats a good variety of vegetables, fruits, beans nuts and seeds it is quite easy to be very healthy without using a spread sheet or anything.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20: If we let you have your way, people will die. And you can only assure of things you actually know about, dietetics not being among them. Even the ADA warns extensively about the risks of a vegan diet, and in fact, without a chemical industry creating the supplements vegans require they'd die. You are the typical know-it-all rich kid that does not have a clue. Your ideology KILLS, if we let it. I won't.

[dekitai20]

@ThatGuyFromAustria I like how you assume I am not a dietitian and call me a "know-it-all without a clue" without yourself not having a clue who I am. This doesn't matter anyway. I know many vegans who follow the diet I previously described without any chemical supplement without any problems. I don't claim to know it all but I know that my ideology "KILLS" less than yours.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20: If someone can't count 1+1 together, he won't be a mathematician, would he? And OF COURSE your ideology is a killer. Or what do you think happens if we stop life saving medical research? There is also a number of infants who died because of the vegan diet their parents forced on them, and mind the fact that animal rights terrorism is meanwhile the 2nd most dangerous source of terror next to religious extremism in the 1st world.

[dekitai20]

@ThatGuyFromAustria wow, you are not an extremist! You imply that no dietitian recommend the vegan diet but a very quick research can prove you otherwise. what does "life saving medical research" have to do with all of that anyway? And also what does animal right terrorism have to do with it all? I suspect you are just trying to bring up as many nonsense as you can to confuse people. Now that is real propaganda.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20: A very quick search, ey? According to a very quick search on the internets, the holocaust never happened, the earth is hollow, and UFOs are real. But what about a thorough search...? It is common sense amongst dietetions that a vegan diet has certain benefits in certain cases but overall is risky, and even the ADA uses the phrase "well planned". What if you say that 1+1=3 and somebody yells at you that this is wrong? Call it "propaganda"?!

[dekitai20]

@ThatGuyFromAustria Well I was referring to a book I have written by two registered dietitian that goes through all of the nutrients and phases of life that makes it possible to adopt a healthy plant-based diet. you should check it out, its called "becoming vegan" and its very thorough. What is it exactly that you find so wrong with the words "well planned"?

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20, well, I can refer to a book written by the historian David Irving that the Holocaust never happened.

And why in all world don't you understand the implications of the words "well planned". Exactly, I mean.

[dekitai20]

@ThatGuyFromAustria So you are claiming this book is unreliable without reading it or knowing anything about it and any reference I could possibly bring up because some guy claimed the Holocaust never happened. I don't think our discussion can go very far. I just don't see why planning a diet is such a bad thing, I mean eating is pretty central in humans lives, why not plan it?

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20, so, you claim that the Holocaust did happen altough you did not read Irving's books? Shouldn't you consider another point of view before making up your mind?

[dekitai20]

@ThatGuyFromAustria Thats right, I haven't read the book and all I know from it is what you told me, so for now I will stick with my thinking that it did happen until I read the book and decide if I think it makes sense or not after. But the Holocaust doesn't really affect my everyday life so I wont bother. You on the other hand are passionate about veganism.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20, you just don't get it, do you? You brought an argument concerning "book", I refuted this way of argumentation by falsification, but you obviously didn't understand it... *sigh* You know, I am Austrian. We had some looneys here once who nobody took for serious, and the worst crimes ever committed were the consequence. Fools like you are only dangerous because they're powerless. And I will make damn sure this doesn't change. Ever.

[dekitai20]

@ThatGuyFromAustria I just pointed out that your "falsification" didn't work. Just because someone said a lie in a book, doesn't mean that all books are lies... This doesn't disproof anything. I wish you would just calm down. Your exaggerating everything. I get that you are scared of vegans, but don't worry we won't eat you :) I don't think our discussion is really going anywhere so lets leave it at that. be well.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

@dekitai20: AAAH! PAIN! How can anyone be so incredibly stupid?! I told you that X was common sense. You told me that you read book Y that says otherwise. So I said there if this would disprove X, a book of a holocaust denier would prove the holocaust never existed.

You are really too stupid to count 1+1 together. You really are. Unbelievable. And if --censored--s like you wouldn't hinder life saving animal research or wouldnt firebomb, I wouldnt give a damn about your kind.

[BigLaloBLC]

"Because only the careless or the stupid endanger the health of loved ones for reasons that can not be backed* up rationally." Truthfully so, most of the inidviduals that comprise a society in industrialized countries unfortunately make the ignorant nistake of raising their children with an unhealthy diet. I am neither disregarding a vegan diet nor endorsing it.

[BigLaloBLC]

I personally find that the most nutritionally satisfying diet would be one consisting of high intake of leafy green and cruciferous vegetables as well as fresh fruits with the ocassional and moderated consumption of wild/free range/ organic meats. In reffering back to the video posted, I would propose the idea that there is a higher rate of unhealthy and nutritionally deficient children amongst the meat eating popluation as opposed to the vegetarian or vegan population.

[BigLaloBLC]

Furthermore I would like to add that the assumption that vegan parents dont love or care for their children would be a generalization that does not apply due to the fact that,

1. love cant be measured

2. there has never been a proven human predisposition that differentiated between vegan & non vegan individuals capacity or ability to care for their children.

[BigLaloBLC]

All parents, vegan or non-vegan make choices for their children. To suggest that a parents choice to raise their children on a vegan diet is neglegent in any way would be similar to claiming that raising a child on a diet containing meat is neglegent. Both groups can faulter and make bad decisions. Believing that inevitably all parents,(vegan or non-vegan) will neglect their children is a statement that is completely fallable if only for the fact that it assumes predisposition of human behavior

[BigLaloBLC]

Perhaps you should create a video about nutritional child negligence. Considering that in the United States alone, an average of 1 out of 3 children develop diabetes, and taking into consideration that most of the population consumes meat I am led to infer that U.S. meat eating parents are drastically neglecting their childrens nutrional needs.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

Aha. So if someone may think 3+3=7, this makes it right to say that 3+3=5??? And, about the U.S.: Welcome to the world, stranger. A whole lot of problems people have in this funny country are their very own problems and unknown in civilized countries.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

Veganism is a *very* single sided diet and thus has a whole bunch of risks, some of them severe. This is not a secret, it and the reasons for it are well known, so raising children with a vegan diet is either stupid or ignorant.

[BigLaloBLC]

Veganism is only a one sided diet when an individual implementing it into ones own life allows it to be. Veganism doesnt have any more risks than eating meat does. Nutritionally or neglecting oneself, whether one is vegan or not is what causes malnutrition and health problems. Your statement only proves that youre making ignorant claims without any factual evidence to support your belief that raising a child on a vegan diet will inevitably cause health problems.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

You perfectly underline the point of my video, you know that?! The method is never wrong, only the application, ey? What's next? "I do not need to eat anything", and then, when you're starving, you claim, "I just did not apply the method right, but the method itself for sure is working", or what? THERE ARE DEAD INFANTS on the account of that madness! This amount of ignorance is already beyond limits.

[BigLaloBLC]

Once again you are making outrageous claims that dont carry any factual evidence to support your belief. For an individual that created what appeared to be an intelligent video, you definietly have a lot of trouble responding in an intelligent manner. Once again if child abuse or neglegence is your problem then you shouldnt just magnnify or specifically aim at negelctive or uneducated veganism. There are many vegan parents that raise their children in a healthy manner.

[ThatGuyFromAustria]

Oh, even breastfeeding is problematic if the mother is vegan, as you may have figured if you had watched the video (or did you just pay no attention?) A vegan diet is in no way recommendable and even considered dangerous. People educate their kids not to cross the street while the traffic lights are red, why? This is not a minor issue, in fact, it is so obvious that only the stupid or the ignorant would raise a child as a vegan. Or why do you think pediatrics discourage vegan diet for children?

[BigLaloBLC]

There is nothing non vegan about breasatfeeding ones child. You are gravely misinformed. Perhaps you should educate yourself before making such absurd comments. I not exactly sure why anyone would rely on a medical doctor or pediatrician for nutritional information. I would never take dietary advice from a medical doctor, that is why there are certified dietitians and nutritionists. It seems youre truly lacking important information. If ignorance is bliss, your life must be wonderful.

[BigLaloBLC]

I highly doubt that there are many dead infants due to veganism being as though during infancy the primary food source for a child is a mothers milk. Furthermore I would like to point out that physical abuse, drug abuse, vaccination, and neglegence have proven to cause more harm among infants and children alike than veganism has.

[BigLaloBLC]

I would also like to add that the point of your video was to regard all vegan parents as negelegent and incapable of loving and raising their children in a healthy manner. If you want your opinion to be understood and respected then you should at least admit that ther are parents that successfully raise healthy children on a vegan diet. Denying this very fact nullifies and undermines your own intelligence as mcuh as your credibility.

[lordAbbA]

he said: I admit that it's possible to rie a child with a vegen diet " 2:40

[BigLaloBLC]

He states that it might be possible to raise a child without major damage. This guys Ignorant and chooses to deny truth. If veganism was so dangerous why would so many nutritionists agree that its a healthy option ? Why dont you hear about mass deaths of vegans ?

[lordAbbA]

So if a doctor smokes smoking can't be bad for he body OO. You are ignoring the fact that there are deaths -.- . And the point is not that it's impossinble to do it the point is that the child is put under a risk. And nothing says more than the fact that something happens -.-. Just go and check the facts -.-

[BigLaloBLC]

Look at the facts. The greatest killer in the USA alone is heart disease. One out of ever three children will develop diabetes. Veganism doesnt innately risk ones health. Changing ones diet without properly being educated does. Its not the diet itself that can cause health problems its wrong implementation into ones life that does. Please do your research. Its not my intent to argue. My ultimate goal is for people globally to become more health conscious.

[lordAbbA]

i#m not going to argue with you anymore because i realized it is useless. Heart diseas appear if someone get's old and it's true that if you are fat the risk rise. Only because the fatest country in the world eats to much meat , tat doesn't mean that you have to stop. Meat eating sould be reduced but not abolished. And again it puts a child at risk. Only because somethink else put it on risk, this doesn't mean tat it's ok.

[raultalbot7]

Again you put vegans in their place...BRAVO!

*****stars

[RunAMuckGirl]

Bravo! Another critical issue skillfully addressed.

[thegeno64]

great video man just like them all