I am a Christian and I adore Harry Potter. Harry Potter a FANTASY so it's not like I take the spells seriously. But I still love them and know a lot of them. :)
How did Harry Potter become more religiously entwined than Lord of the Rings? LOTR talks about creation and afterlife. HP is just about witchcraft and magic.
I am 28 and I've been Wiccian since I turned ten years old. Being wiccian is nothing like people see on TV or in the movies! I have many friends who's religion is different from my own and I do respect that nor do I throw my religion at others! To me, a person religion should be private. I started reading Harry in my early 20's and I love them. Deep down, they are about having good morals and friendships not about religion! Get over it people and let kids read!
@Rachulie If u believe in God and Christ then ur a christian, not exactly christian as in the religion christian seperated from catholic but christian as in christ-tian, follower of christ. And yea i know cuz i believe in God but im not much of a christian or catholic. and really?? i thought the UK was full of protistant christians?? O_o
@13LuciusArchangel most ppl are agnostic or atheist. ppl say they are christian but just by name, they dont believe in that stuff. europe has the highest rate of non-religious ppl i know of. in nordic states 80% or more dont believe in god.
@13LuciusArchangel NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO way! lol. very non-religious. even many many of the ones who checked "christian" etc on their surveys are agnostic or atheist. and thats just uk. im not sure they are that confused in europe lol. here they dont understand what religion even is. it's not a gym membership hah. check out demographics. in sweden 85% are non believers in any diety
I have no religion whatsoever and i believe that banning books because of religious stuff is like burning pomegranates because its the fruit of Hades , and let me tell ya, me luvs me pomegranates.
that battle between cristianity and wichcraft has gone on long enough each has its bad side. i wish the 2 could live in peace but untill then i ay screw you to anny "priests" that say witch craft of anny kind is bad alot of witch craft is purley for spirtual inhansment. fuck evan my dad wants me to move on to some thing else. im a christian and i aproove of witchcraft and wisardry of anny kind. (crowd applawds for OCLOVER96 and MY speech
that battle between cristianity and wichcraft has gone on long enough each has its bad side. i wish the 2 could live in peace but untill then i ay screw you to anny "priests" that say witch craft of anny kind is bad alot of witch craft is purley for spirtual inhansment. fuck evan my dad wants me to move on to some thing else
religion always telling people what is right and what is wrong, if i wanna read the best book ever written by the most talented author in the world i ain't finna be stopped
CONTINUED: Then Hermione tells him that it means living beyond death ... living after death.
Harry has never been introduced to Jesus. But that does not mean that the book isn't Christian. That particular chapter is so beautiful because Harry is unsure and afraid, unaware that a power far greater than magic is at work at that moment.
Some people are so shallow. Learn to judge by what's under the skin, rather than what's on the surface.
@VOLDEMORThasrisen first of all do you support voldemort becaue i made a flip note on my dsi about me kicking him in the nut if he still has em because he's soo mutated and second that chapter always makes me cry i almost cryed in the middle of school because of it that means its a good chapter
@VOLDEMORThasrisen - You are aware that there are hundreds of religions that believe in life after death. Why would talking about life after death have anything to do with Christianity?
@WillShakespeare2007 Yes, I am aware of that, but seeing as Rowling is herself Christian, the fact that life after death - in Heaven, the Heaven of the Trinity of the Christian faith - is a theme in this book has everything to do with Christianity. In other contexts talking about life after death could well refer to any other religion.
@VOLDEMORThasrisen I'm sure Harry has been exposed to the idea of Jesus, he was raised in the muggle world.
But I don't know what you mean about the book being Christian. Take from it whatever you want to, I guess, but it seems like a very faith-neutral book to me.
@GuacamoleKun You're right that it is sort of faith-neutral, but as I'm Christian, and as JK Rowling is Christian, I sort of tend to think of it that way. I guess, me being Christian, I saw a lot of the values I was brought up with in Harry Potter. But you're right.
@HoneyAndSulfur1991 That is nonsense, we are always judging things. You need to judge people because how do you know who to trust? Otherwise, give me all of your money, tell me your deepest and darkest secrets, and make sure you tell me where you sleep so I can visit you anytime I want. If you don't then I will have to say that you are judging me.
@VOLDEMORThasrisen How does Harry have a godfather, namely Sirius Black, if he has never been introduced to Christianity?? How did he know to mark Moody's grave with a cross, as opposed to a pentagram??
@EpiphoneArchtopLover I meant that Christianity had never been a big part of his life. As whoever it was had pointed out before, of course he was EXPOSED to it. I was thoughtless on that count. But I think I'm right in saying that he was never very involved with it. His confusion at Hermione's mentioning living after death in the graveyard proves that. Don't take offence, okay?
I'm sorry, but why the hell would anyone care whether Harry Potter, the character, is a christian?
It's a fantasy world. Can we please have someone create a fantasy world without having to hear from religious people about how their religion is featured in the books?
@iOnlyHaveThisForWoW Personally, I don't care all that much. Obviously, some people do, however, and if you don't like it, please don't visit a video called 'Harry Potter and Religion'.
It's inevitable that a book as great as Harry Potter is going to be involved in this sort of religious dispute, especially after JK Rowling's numerous assertions that the book actually does have Christian background.
I intensely hate getting into arguments, so can we please not turn this into one?
People need to look beyond the surface. Sure, Joanne writes about magic! But it's not what appears in the books, it's the meaning that lies behind what appears. Any fool can see that Harry Potter is a beautiful, Christian book with virtues such as love, friendship and bravery. And whoever's read the last book will know that she even includes a quote from the Bible! Harry sees "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" on his parents' tombstone, and thinks it's a Death Eater idea.
Yes you learn a lot about love and friendship but ghosts who live in school everyone is a wizard or a witch, pupils who are teached to look in the future nothing about that is good just read the bible
Just for the record Christmas is a pagan holiday so witches celebrating it does not give a good argument. Now if they sat in front of manger instead of a tree the we could make that argument.
Personally I think Christians should focus on making great books similar to the popularity of with a Christian twist. Last time I check my bible there is more supernatural activity going on in there than any book JK Rowling wrote.
@JakeU06 Twilight was written for an older audience which are not considered very impressionable. Also the books didn't have much popularity until after the movies. Twilight also promotes abstinence which goes well with parents. Vampires in books and movies were way to common before Twilight, so any the complaining and protesting went on years before Twilight had been written.
That may be so. But you could also say that the concept of wizards has also been around much longer than Harry Potter, but that never defused the situation. While Twilight may promote abstinence, Harry Potter never condones sexual behavior, but actually promotes other virtues, such as love and friendship. And as for being written by an older audience, I would have to say that is entirely false. Just ask any preteen girl.
@JakeU06 Yes wizards and witches have been around but they have always been shown in a negative light. When an author rights a book they focus it on a particular age group. Though people who aren't within those age groups. For example I know a 14 year old that read the Davinci Code and I know a 40 year old that has read Twilight. The Davinci Code is marketed towards adults 30 and up. Twilight is marketed to teens 15-17.
@JakeU06 Truthfully the whole Christian protest I think was a publicity scheme created by JK's publishers to market the book. No one ever complained about Goosebumps, Sabrina or Charmed.
i would also like to know: if they ban books, i think children will have the feeling to rule over the school rules... lol. they might form some army of students to attack them. theres NOTHING wrong with books going away from religion. its the enjoyment of books and the religion we choose. and i'm a christian and he says he gave YOU the choice to choose which religion
And I never really understood this whole hatred of withcraft in books. I mean, sure in the book (which is fictional, in case you didn't notice) they do have an evil wizard, but they also have good wizards as well.
The highest rated comment says "people need to be more open minded."
Funny! Seeing as you aren't open minded enough to use a LOGICAL argument instead of saying god gave you the ability to do it.
Let them try to bann it world wide....I would predict a real WW3 one in which fanatics would face intellectuals...and I think I know who is going to winn that one...
@AceofDimonds0 Have you read the books? Do you know anything about the actual faith of Pagan or Wica? I can tell you it dosn't involve waveing a stick around and saying funny words!!
@AceofDimonds0 Have you read the books? Do you know anything about the actual faith of Pagan or Wica? I can tell you it dosn't involve waveing a stick around and saying funny words!!
*Sigh* Harry Potter is a Christian Allegory, I do believe Rowling even said so herself. Think about, Voldemort = Lucifer, common theme "serpent." Harry dies and is ressurected. Coincidence? I think not! Rowling is a damn good writer and an even better Christian.
@glambring0 waitwat? this sounds like the whole 'you cant disprove god so therefore god exists' argument, 'you cant prove the book isnt christian so therefore it is'.. 'oh and here's a lose quote that i applied personal interpretation too' but sure if u wanna go down that road.. Voldemort can in fact represent religious people in that he fears death as a religious person does and the resorts to irrationality to avoid it, and the ensuing chaos very much like war caused by religion today
I am a Christian and i am a huge Harry Potter fan. I love the books about 10 times each and they are fine. I do agree with what arreisenlaluz9 said. these books are fine to read and the films are good too! i cant wait for the final film!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm a christian, and i love God, let me say that first... have you READ the last book? i mean, come on, he gives his life to defeat evil so his friends and the entire world can live free. now, i know Rowling may not have meant that as allegory, but it looks like it to me. Jesus died to defeat evil so we could live free... its an allegory for redemption!
im a catholic, and i am a border-line obsessed harry potter fan lol. its all stupid anyone above the age of 12 should realise its not real and those under are innocent and its nice they beleive in magic, but its just wonderment it wont affect anyone or harm anyone
p.s. I`m Christian myself and read the books carefully, being sceptical at first of their artistic value; however, I think they aren`t encouraging occultism any more than some medieval fairytale.judge for yourselves
im sorry christians are creeps, the way the believe themselves to be so right, they give me the creeps, i know many are normal peope, but many christians give me the creeps
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All that I am going to say, and I am a former Harry Potter fan and former atheist, is that TRUE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT HARBOR ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OCCULT. THAT INCLUDES HARRY POTTER. DECEPTION IS ALL THAT IT IS AND IT IS AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD GOD.
Go ahead and keep being distracted by this fandom, but know this, THE LORD WILL NOT ALLOW ANY INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WHOSOEVER DOES NOT KEEP ALL OF HIS COMMANDMENTS. THAT MEANS ALL OF THEM! OLD AND NEW! Isaiah 30:9
Auszie, I absolutely agree. You can't serve God and Satan and Harry Potter is simply rich with occultic lore and Satanic happenstance and those lead astray cannot claim love for God, since Satan hates God as do all the children of Satan.
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I'm absolutely serious. Harry Potter has enough occultic material embedded in its pages to invite all manners of demons into the most innocent of children. Then of course, that was the goal of these books, to permeated the mind of the innocent with witchcraft so they too can be part of the curse that has lingered over generations of God-hating families.
Ok, I understand your views;but let`s put t this way: EVERYTHING in these books consists in symbols and images of witches, fantastic creatures, elements from folklore(!) and mythology that have always been known since the Middle Ages and even before. What Rowling did was to unite all these almost childish results of early human imagination (of course, supposing you DON`t believe in whitchcraft...) and give them life in her books. If some of you believe in dragons..then magic is inded possible.
Oh give me a break! the worst these books are going to do is make kids wear wizards costumes on halloween. If you read the book carefully you'll see that the witchcraft aspects really don't play the biggest role, and that Rowling is on the most part focusing on real emotions and experiences that relate to real everyday experiences. Rowling is not in any way encourage withcraft when she writes these books, she is simply expressing herself on very strong topics such as death and grieving.
Yes it also states that your lord forgives those who are lead astray. So who actually goes to hell, is it those who commit certain sins only? I always wanted someone to explain this to me. I myself believe who ever created us loves us and gave us free will by his own choice as he created us and don't understand why he punishes us when he gave us free will. Christianity confuses me. :S
Deathly Hallows, actually, is a bit of a spiritual journey, as Harry struggles with his image of Dumbledore as this all-knowing, all-powerful person . Dumbledore has a plan for the trio, has left them all these gifts to assist them, but Harry's starting to doubt Dumbledore. He speaks to Dumbledore on several occasions, even begs for help, and finds his questions are always answered.
It's an interesting way of analyzing book, but I believe J.K.R. promotes courage, love and compassion, secularly.
Harry Potter is not evil! I'm a christain, i go to church and i belive in Christ, and Harry Potter is my all time favorite series. Ive heard people say that rowling belives in witchcraft andall the spells are real! Puh-leaze! Yeah if i wave a stick around and say lumos its really gonna light up. people need to be more open minded. God gave us these minds andimaginations, why not use them? And even if they did ban those books(which theyll never have the power to do) i will find a way to read them
I'm a Christian and I like Harry Potter too. I have mentioned before that even though Dan is an athiest, I have to keep praying for him and love him unconditionally like I do with other people weather they are beievers or not.
I am also a Christian, and I agree with you. I'd like to point out to all the Potte rhaters for religouse reason's, that the strongest power in the books is Love, and isn't that the founding of not just Christianity, but all faiths? This book preashes love, and in the end it's Not harrys magic that saves the world, it's his love for his firends and family. (I consider the Weasleys his family)
You're one disrespectful and intolerant person. Tell me, how did the world begin? Did nothing say nothing to happen to happen the Big Bang? If I explode bricks, it wouldn't make a house.
@GokzTT yes, I AM disrespectful to religious lunatics, cause i saw what you are capable of. First, take your time to research a topic you are arguing about, otherwise its pure ignorance. Second, big bang is not a literal explosion, more like inflation. Third, singularity is NOT nothing. Fourthly, brick is a man made construct, universe isnt. Houses ARE built, we all know it, but planets are NOT. Dont put them in the same niche. If you dont understand something, doesnt mean everyone doesnt!
I'm not a religious lunatic, and don't blame me for what others have done, don't blame their religion either, blame their attitude. I was giving an example, a very clever example, either way it's still the same. I believe the universe to be of design, you don't, and you shouldn't stereotype all Christians or others to be the same, because that's like stereotyping that all blacks eat watermelon, or all yellows cannot drive good.
@GokzTT attitude? attitude comes from a set of beliefs that person accepts. You happen to possess some. Those beliefs tend to alter the actions of a person. Your example of design is a perfect example. Simply because you possess a certain belief, it makes you think that universe requires a designer. This conclusion is based on your religious beliefs. Science proves times and times again otherwise, but you just cling to this "attitude".
No, we are born with attitude, whether good or ill, we even have attitude when we are babies, our wisdom is also an attitude. Science? Science proves this? Yes, it certainly does:
Law of Thermodynamics:
"Something cannot be created out of nothing"
The universe cannot be created out of nothing, I believe there is a creator, I'm not a Christian, I am different than all you'll meet.
@GokzTT attitude is not something we are born with, however definition of "attitude" is irrelevant. When someones attitude is based on religion, many mistakes are made.
That not what any of laws say. You probably mean that energy and matter can not be created or destroyed. But you see, that applies to creator as well. So god can create something out of nothing, but natural laws cant?
There is plenty of evidence supporting big bang theory, however you still choose the creation!
We are born with attitude, even as a baby screamiing. You are stereotyping again, people have different attitudes due to different religions, atheism is also another attitude, and there is bad atheism as well. You don't understand, there was something, not there was not nothing, there was God, and Heaven, as I said I'm not a Christian, I have different beliefs. Many believers, like me, do believe in the Big Bang as creation.
@GokzTT An attitude is a hypothetical construct that represents an individual's degree of like or dislike for something. Thats a definition. You cant have an attitude without something to base it on. Of course we all have attitudes, but they are all based on something. For example, persons attitude towards homosexuals will be different if he bases it on religion then someone who simply thought the issue through. Dont blame the attitude, blame the cause of that attitude!
No, I don't have to tell you my beliefs, it's my own freedom, you won't get it from me whether you threaten me or not. Why? What would an atheist do with it? An atheist yet has to explain why the big bang happened.
@GokzTT emmm.. i dont really care what your beliefs are. Im just saying they must be justified. Just like any other belief. By the way, atheism only deals with existence of god, big bang or any other scientific theory has nothing to do with it. Fortunately, majority of scientists are atheists.
We may never know WHY the big bang happened, but neither science nor religious community know at this point. Saying a god just snapped his fingers is intellectual dishonesty!
That's not true, I can believe whatever I want. Also not most scientists are atheists,. Most scientists aren't atheist, they just aren't Christian. Not Christian does not equal Atheist. God did not snap his fingers, God is not a male, nor a female, God is an energy of life.
@GokzTT atheism is a disbelief in gods, so if you dont believe, you are an atheist. Just like if you dont eat meat, you are a vegetarian. And National Academy of Sciences is 93% atheists, among European scientists this number is even higher. And again - its not what you believe, its why!
You just made another unjustified assertion - God is an energy of life. Prove that! Just believing it does not make it true!
Agnostic does not mean Atheist, in reality, we are all Agnostics, you are too, and so am I. That applies to you too, you believe in evolution but it will never be proven, unless there was someone who live for thousands of years to record the changes.
@GokzTT stop jumping from topic to topic. None of your claims are substantial, none of your assertions are justified. And now you started showing your ignorance. Evolution cant be proven? Have you even tried researching it? Do you know that evolution has practical applications? For crying out loud, read on the topic fist. Your claim sound silly - you dont need a living being to see the changes. Just research, please, before you make yourself look like a fool!
@GokzTT Agnosticism deals with the knowledge, or to be more precise, the lack of knowledge about gods. Meaning there are not enough info to claim one way or the other. So how can you be an agnostic if you believe in god?! I guess you should also get the definitions right!
@GokzTT you simply dont comprehend what im saying. Cant even answer a question directly. Only more and more unreasonable justifying. You said that you believe something without knowing if it exists. Would you apply same logic in your life for anything else supernatural? Can you answer that?
I never answer questions directly, I speak wisely because there are still people who are Greek pagans. Yes, why not? I don't know if Odin or Thor exists, just as much I don't know if God exists.
@GokzTT i never said all christians are the same, their beliefs are. Stereotypes are born from systematic behavior, christians have that as well. I also never said I blame you personally. I blame that same old belief system. To commit an action person needs a reason. Your beliefs provide plenty of them, however barely any are justifiable. Many minorities suffered and continue to, just because of those beliefs. So tell me again - why shouldnt I attack those beliefs?
No, their beliefs are not the same either, there are different Christians as there are different Atheists. There is no reason for intolerance of others, only useless hate given by who knows. You shouldn't attack those beliefs because most- like me, won't attack your beliefs unless you do, like you have.
@GokzTT im not talking about details in beliefs here. Sharing a belief in god is good enough to be identified as a specific group. What stories or legends are built around that god is irrelevant. However all Abrahamic religions share same stories, since its based on bible. If you accept god of a particular book but not the body built around it, its called religious dishonesty. Im not trying to be intolerant, cause im not, im simply attacking beliefs that are detrimental to society.
Christian "ORTHODOX" should say it all, you swallow the came and strain at a gnat, why would you therefore strain at the camel of witchcraft. Don't let "christians" walking the broad and wide path fool ANY of you. True christian do not mix themselves up with stories (whether fictional or not) of the occult.
Ok I just want to say that religion causes more problems then it solves... think about all those wars..... people should just keep their religious beliefs to themselves. Like seriously when I read the books I wish I was going to hogwarts a learning spells, when I watch Lord of the Rings I wish I was in Rohan or Gondor. If that makes me evil well good on ya I guess I am evil!
I'm Christian, and I don't believe you're evil at all. I wished that the world of HP was real as well, and that the fantastic imagination of J.R.R. Tolkien was also real. I also think it's interesting to note that Tolkien was a Christian, and he even went as far as to put christian themes in his books. Though he admits, they were deeply embedded in there. And J.K. Rowling admits to believing in God as well.
I am a Christian and I adore Harry Potter. Harry Potter a FANTASY so it's not like I take the spells seriously. But I still love them and know a lot of them. :)
AlexRoshanStewart 2 weeks ago
my english teacher, who is also a reverend wouldn't let her sons read Harry Potter because its about witches, and yet we study Macbeth. WTF?
shirazbailywood 1 month ago
she's so right!
degraydog104 2 months ago
How did Harry Potter become more religiously entwined than Lord of the Rings? LOTR talks about creation and afterlife. HP is just about witchcraft and magic.
Pigroota 3 months ago
I am 28 and I've been Wiccian since I turned ten years old. Being wiccian is nothing like people see on TV or in the movies! I have many friends who's religion is different from my own and I do respect that nor do I throw my religion at others! To me, a person religion should be private. I started reading Harry in my early 20's and I love them. Deep down, they are about having good morals and friendships not about religion! Get over it people and let kids read!
alex211983 4 months ago
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alex211983 4 months ago
I badly wanted to see the sequels to the Golden Compass.
rubberbaby00 6 months ago
It really says a lot when Christians see Harry Potter as legitimate competition.
blackkakari 7 months ago 25
To ban Harry Potter books or movies is just stupid.
GoldenCrusader93 7 months ago 3
I hate people who think that this is evil because it has magic in it. They simply ignore the many good and Christian morals within the series.
RINGMASTER1118 7 months ago
The other thing is that it is an excellent book series, so why not just enjoy is as such and leave the debate to the weird people with funny hats?
RisingAurora 7 months ago 2
I agree. Banning something is the quickest way to get it read.
RisingAurora 7 months ago 2
lol people are tripping. she's an atheist right? like pretty much every other white person in uk.
Rachulie 7 months ago
@Rachulie Shes believes in God actually. She said it herself. So shes Christian.
13LuciusArchangel 5 months ago
@13LuciusArchangel even though believing in god doesnt make u one religion, yeah she was wearing a cross i saw so...
but christianity, like, actually believing in christianity is very rare in uk
Rachulie 5 months ago
@Rachulie If u believe in God and Christ then ur a christian, not exactly christian as in the religion christian seperated from catholic but christian as in christ-tian, follower of christ. And yea i know cuz i believe in God but im not much of a christian or catholic. and really?? i thought the UK was full of protistant christians?? O_o
13LuciusArchangel 5 months ago
@13LuciusArchangel most ppl are agnostic or atheist. ppl say they are christian but just by name, they dont believe in that stuff. europe has the highest rate of non-religious ppl i know of. in nordic states 80% or more dont believe in god.
Rachulie 5 months ago
@Rachulie wtf u serious?? and i thought that part of the worl has the most religoius population in a way!! :O
13LuciusArchangel 5 months ago
@13LuciusArchangel NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO way! lol. very non-religious. even many many of the ones who checked "christian" etc on their surveys are agnostic or atheist. and thats just uk. im not sure they are that confused in europe lol. here they dont understand what religion even is. it's not a gym membership hah. check out demographics. in sweden 85% are non believers in any diety
Rachulie 5 months ago
@Rachulie lol damn thats crazy. i didnt even know that
13LuciusArchangel 5 months ago
religious freaks... scary
KEEETARO 8 months ago
its DEFENCE AGAINST the DARK ARTS!! If Harry Potter was the devil then it woud just be Dark Arts
chopchop8916 8 months ago
Its pretty sad that these people have so little faith in their own religion that they truly believe a childrens book is any competition....
goldensoot 9 months ago 2
I don't know who sad it but if your choice is church or harry potter-ism it doesn't speak well for the church.
r502692 9 months ago
OK do people just look for things to bitch and whine about
BeepBros 9 months ago 2
@BeepBros yes, yes they do.
HoneyAndSulfur1991 8 months ago
god isn't real by the way.
greenghost2008 9 months ago
@greenghost2008 ok dude i respect your opinion and religion or whatever your belifs are but that was random
BeepBros 9 months ago
But Satain Rituals is the best class at Hogwarts.
MrMatto91 10 months ago 32
I have no religion whatsoever and i believe that banning books because of religious stuff is like burning pomegranates because its the fruit of Hades , and let me tell ya, me luvs me pomegranates.
idonthaveausernamelc 11 months ago
@warwickforever
you are a silly one! lol :]
arreisenlaluz9 11 months ago
I'm an atheist and i loved this book. Banning books should just be called what it really is, content control.
ZetaSimsoy 11 months ago
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DragonsREpic 1 year ago
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DragonsREpic 1 year ago
omg i just thought that demontors could be devils and protroneses could be like god with god warding off deamons ha in your face dad
dragonsrule61398 1 year ago
that battle between cristianity and wichcraft has gone on long enough each has its bad side. i wish the 2 could live in peace but untill then i ay screw you to anny "priests" that say witch craft of anny kind is bad alot of witch craft is purley for spirtual inhansment. fuck evan my dad wants me to move on to some thing else. im a christian and i aproove of witchcraft and wisardry of anny kind. (crowd applawds for OCLOVER96 and MY speech
dragonsrule61398 1 year ago
@dragonsrule61398 witch craft isn't even witch craft (as it says in the bible) it's basically a kind of paganism.
flashash2k9 1 year ago
that battle between cristianity and wichcraft has gone on long enough each has its bad side. i wish the 2 could live in peace but untill then i ay screw you to anny "priests" that say witch craft of anny kind is bad alot of witch craft is purley for spirtual inhansment. fuck evan my dad wants me to move on to some thing else
dragonsrule61398 1 year ago
really?
didioriol 1 year ago
religion always telling people what is right and what is wrong, if i wanna read the best book ever written by the most talented author in the world i ain't finna be stopped
Kratos8462 1 year ago
@Kratos8462 ROCK ON WITH YA ALL THE WAY
dragonsrule61398 1 year ago
CONTINUED: Then Hermione tells him that it means living beyond death ... living after death.
Harry has never been introduced to Jesus. But that does not mean that the book isn't Christian. That particular chapter is so beautiful because Harry is unsure and afraid, unaware that a power far greater than magic is at work at that moment.
Some people are so shallow. Learn to judge by what's under the skin, rather than what's on the surface.
VOLDEMORThasrisen 1 year ago 19
@VOLDEMORThasrisen first of all do you support voldemort becaue i made a flip note on my dsi about me kicking him in the nut if he still has em because he's soo mutated and second that chapter always makes me cry i almost cryed in the middle of school because of it that means its a good chapter
dragonsrule61398 1 year ago
@dragonsrule61398 shoot i made a pelling error i ment to spell nuts
dragonsrule61398 1 year ago
@VOLDEMORThasrisen couldnt have said it better myself :)
ReklawRemix 8 months ago
@VOLDEMORThasrisen - You are aware that there are hundreds of religions that believe in life after death. Why would talking about life after death have anything to do with Christianity?
WillShakespeare2007 8 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Yes, I am aware of that, but seeing as Rowling is herself Christian, the fact that life after death - in Heaven, the Heaven of the Trinity of the Christian faith - is a theme in this book has everything to do with Christianity. In other contexts talking about life after death could well refer to any other religion.
VOLDEMORThasrisen 8 months ago
@VOLDEMORThasrisen I'm sure Harry has been exposed to the idea of Jesus, he was raised in the muggle world.
But I don't know what you mean about the book being Christian. Take from it whatever you want to, I guess, but it seems like a very faith-neutral book to me.
GuacamoleKun 8 months ago
@GuacamoleKun You're right that it is sort of faith-neutral, but as I'm Christian, and as JK Rowling is Christian, I sort of tend to think of it that way. I guess, me being Christian, I saw a lot of the values I was brought up with in Harry Potter. But you're right.
VOLDEMORThasrisen 8 months ago
@VOLDEMORThasrisen or how about we don't judge at all :)
HoneyAndSulfur1991 7 months ago
@HoneyAndSulfur1991 That is nonsense, we are always judging things. You need to judge people because how do you know who to trust? Otherwise, give me all of your money, tell me your deepest and darkest secrets, and make sure you tell me where you sleep so I can visit you anytime I want. If you don't then I will have to say that you are judging me.
rangers94ism 7 months ago
@rangers94ism your an idiot, is that enough judging for you?
HoneyAndSulfur1991 7 months ago
@HoneyAndSulfur1991 I'm right and you know it.
rangers94ism 7 months ago
@HoneyAndSulfur1991 You may have a point.
VOLDEMORThasrisen 7 months ago
@VOLDEMORThasrisen How does Harry have a godfather, namely Sirius Black, if he has never been introduced to Christianity?? How did he know to mark Moody's grave with a cross, as opposed to a pentagram??
EpiphoneArchtopLover 7 months ago
@EpiphoneArchtopLover I meant that Christianity had never been a big part of his life. As whoever it was had pointed out before, of course he was EXPOSED to it. I was thoughtless on that count. But I think I'm right in saying that he was never very involved with it. His confusion at Hermione's mentioning living after death in the graveyard proves that. Don't take offence, okay?
VOLDEMORThasrisen 7 months ago
@VOLDEMORThasrisen No offence taken!!
EpiphoneArchtopLover 7 months ago
@VOLDEMORThasrisen
I'm sorry, but why the hell would anyone care whether Harry Potter, the character, is a christian?
It's a fantasy world. Can we please have someone create a fantasy world without having to hear from religious people about how their religion is featured in the books?
iOnlyHaveThisForWoW 7 months ago
@iOnlyHaveThisForWoW Personally, I don't care all that much. Obviously, some people do, however, and if you don't like it, please don't visit a video called 'Harry Potter and Religion'.
It's inevitable that a book as great as Harry Potter is going to be involved in this sort of religious dispute, especially after JK Rowling's numerous assertions that the book actually does have Christian background.
I intensely hate getting into arguments, so can we please not turn this into one?
VOLDEMORThasrisen 7 months ago 2
People need to look beyond the surface. Sure, Joanne writes about magic! But it's not what appears in the books, it's the meaning that lies behind what appears. Any fool can see that Harry Potter is a beautiful, Christian book with virtues such as love, friendship and bravery. And whoever's read the last book will know that she even includes a quote from the Bible! Harry sees "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" on his parents' tombstone, and thinks it's a Death Eater idea.
VOLDEMORThasrisen 1 year ago 2
The people who think Harry Potter promotes witchcraft obviously haven't read the books.
biggingtofade44 1 year ago
Yes you learn a lot about love and friendship but ghosts who live in school everyone is a wizard or a witch, pupils who are teached to look in the future nothing about that is good just read the bible
JesusIsMyLoord 1 year ago
@JesusIsMyLoord But ghosts and magic aren't REAL, sweetheart. FAKE.
siblingforsale 1 year ago
@siblingforsale whos to say there not oooh burn
dragonsrule61398 1 year ago
@siblingforsale
Many people believe in ghosts and magic, I, for one of them do.
GokzTT 11 months ago
Just for the record Christmas is a pagan holiday so witches celebrating it does not give a good argument. Now if they sat in front of manger instead of a tree the we could make that argument.
ProphetGuardian 1 year ago
Personally I think Christians should focus on making great books similar to the popularity of with a Christian twist. Last time I check my bible there is more supernatural activity going on in there than any book JK Rowling wrote.
ProphetGuardian 1 year ago
How is Twilight ok but Harry Potter is not?????
JakeU06 1 year ago
@JakeU06 Twilight was written for an older audience which are not considered very impressionable. Also the books didn't have much popularity until after the movies. Twilight also promotes abstinence which goes well with parents. Vampires in books and movies were way to common before Twilight, so any the complaining and protesting went on years before Twilight had been written.
ProphetGuardian 1 year ago
@ProphetGuardian
That may be so. But you could also say that the concept of wizards has also been around much longer than Harry Potter, but that never defused the situation. While Twilight may promote abstinence, Harry Potter never condones sexual behavior, but actually promotes other virtues, such as love and friendship. And as for being written by an older audience, I would have to say that is entirely false. Just ask any preteen girl.
JakeU06 1 year ago
@JakeU06 Yes wizards and witches have been around but they have always been shown in a negative light. When an author rights a book they focus it on a particular age group. Though people who aren't within those age groups. For example I know a 14 year old that read the Davinci Code and I know a 40 year old that has read Twilight. The Davinci Code is marketed towards adults 30 and up. Twilight is marketed to teens 15-17.
ProphetGuardian 1 year ago
@JakeU06 Truthfully the whole Christian protest I think was a publicity scheme created by JK's publishers to market the book. No one ever complained about Goosebumps, Sabrina or Charmed.
ProphetGuardian 1 year ago
What about the name Parvati?
Blunka796 1 year ago
i would also like to know: if they ban books, i think children will have the feeling to rule over the school rules... lol. they might form some army of students to attack them. theres NOTHING wrong with books going away from religion. its the enjoyment of books and the religion we choose. and i'm a christian and he says he gave YOU the choice to choose which religion
LegoPuppetPotterFan 1 year ago
Banning it would be stupid.
It is a book.
And I never really understood this whole hatred of withcraft in books. I mean, sure in the book (which is fictional, in case you didn't notice) they do have an evil wizard, but they also have good wizards as well.
The highest rated comment says "people need to be more open minded."
Funny! Seeing as you aren't open minded enough to use a LOGICAL argument instead of saying god gave you the ability to do it.
TheDeathsRequiem 1 year ago
i thought they said "merry christmas" in the movie i didnt know they said happy christmas
bowlman329 1 year ago
ban hp? i'll kill myself...
SuperMaria911 1 year ago
banning Harry Potter is like banning air...
dreamgirlz96 1 year ago 42
Let them try to bann it world wide....I would predict a real WW3 one in which fanatics would face intellectuals...and I think I know who is going to winn that one...
neianna 1 year ago
ya harry potter must be evil, it teaches witchcraft.
?? but then what are miracles?
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
@AceofDimonds0 Have you read the books? Do you know anything about the actual faith of Pagan or Wica? I can tell you it dosn't involve waveing a stick around and saying funny words!!
TactownGirl 1 year ago
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TactownGirl 1 year ago
*Sigh* Harry Potter is a Christian Allegory, I do believe Rowling even said so herself. Think about, Voldemort = Lucifer, common theme "serpent." Harry dies and is ressurected. Coincidence? I think not! Rowling is a damn good writer and an even better Christian.
glambring0 2 years ago
@glambring0 YES!
TactownGirl 1 year ago
@glambring0 waitwat? this sounds like the whole 'you cant disprove god so therefore god exists' argument, 'you cant prove the book isnt christian so therefore it is'.. 'oh and here's a lose quote that i applied personal interpretation too' but sure if u wanna go down that road.. Voldemort can in fact represent religious people in that he fears death as a religious person does and the resorts to irrationality to avoid it, and the ensuing chaos very much like war caused by religion today
swiftpawsharpclaw 8 months ago
When i said love i mean read btw sorry my brain wasnt working lol!
lovedbythe1above 2 years ago
I am a Christian and i am a huge Harry Potter fan. I love the books about 10 times each and they are fine. I do agree with what arreisenlaluz9 said. these books are fine to read and the films are good too! i cant wait for the final film!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lovedbythe1above 2 years ago 5
I'm a christian, and i love God, let me say that first... have you READ the last book? i mean, come on, he gives his life to defeat evil so his friends and the entire world can live free. now, i know Rowling may not have meant that as allegory, but it looks like it to me. Jesus died to defeat evil so we could live free... its an allegory for redemption!
arreisenlaluz9 2 years ago 7
@arreisenlaluz9 exactly!
urockit2011 11 months ago
@arreisenlaluz9 Thanks for spoiling, i didn't read the book, waited for the film...
nikovyt 11 months ago
im a catholic, and i am a border-line obsessed harry potter fan lol. its all stupid anyone above the age of 12 should realise its not real and those under are innocent and its nice they beleive in magic, but its just wonderment it wont affect anyone or harm anyone
xXxmissemmaxXx 2 years ago 2
lol so if the harry potter films/books arnt very christian ? this is all fantasy, this is not the real life, dont take Harry Potter serius
51munz 2 years ago
p.s. I`m Christian myself and read the books carefully, being sceptical at first of their artistic value; however, I think they aren`t encouraging occultism any more than some medieval fairytale.judge for yourselves
09808766889789987799 2 years ago 2
im sorry christians are creeps, the way the believe themselves to be so right, they give me the creeps, i know many are normal peope, but many christians give me the creeps
ssbb164 2 years ago
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All that I am going to say, and I am a former Harry Potter fan and former atheist, is that TRUE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS DO NOT HARBOR ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OCCULT. THAT INCLUDES HARRY POTTER. DECEPTION IS ALL THAT IT IS AND IT IS AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD GOD.
Go ahead and keep being distracted by this fandom, but know this, THE LORD WILL NOT ALLOW ANY INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WHOSOEVER DOES NOT KEEP ALL OF HIS COMMANDMENTS. THAT MEANS ALL OF THEM! OLD AND NEW! Isaiah 30:9
Auszie 2 years ago
Auszie, I absolutely agree. You can't serve God and Satan and Harry Potter is simply rich with occultic lore and Satanic happenstance and those lead astray cannot claim love for God, since Satan hates God as do all the children of Satan.
Imforeverone88 2 years ago
are you joking, or do you really believe tht shit
ssbb164 2 years ago
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I'm absolutely serious. Harry Potter has enough occultic material embedded in its pages to invite all manners of demons into the most innocent of children. Then of course, that was the goal of these books, to permeated the mind of the innocent with witchcraft so they too can be part of the curse that has lingered over generations of God-hating families.
Imforeverone88 2 years ago
Ok, I understand your views;but let`s put t this way: EVERYTHING in these books consists in symbols and images of witches, fantastic creatures, elements from folklore(!) and mythology that have always been known since the Middle Ages and even before. What Rowling did was to unite all these almost childish results of early human imagination (of course, supposing you DON`t believe in whitchcraft...) and give them life in her books. If some of you believe in dragons..then magic is inded possible.
09808766889789987799 2 years ago
Oh give me a break! the worst these books are going to do is make kids wear wizards costumes on halloween. If you read the book carefully you'll see that the witchcraft aspects really don't play the biggest role, and that Rowling is on the most part focusing on real emotions and experiences that relate to real everyday experiences. Rowling is not in any way encourage withcraft when she writes these books, she is simply expressing herself on very strong topics such as death and grieving.
silfuryn 2 years ago
You do realize you have no place debating this unless you've actually read Harry?
nikolarulz 2 years ago
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I read all 7 books. That was before I understood the latent evil within. But yes I know Harry Potter intrinsically, and it is evil.
Imforeverone88 2 years ago
Yes it also states that your lord forgives those who are lead astray. So who actually goes to hell, is it those who commit certain sins only? I always wanted someone to explain this to me. I myself believe who ever created us loves us and gave us free will by his own choice as he created us and don't understand why he punishes us when he gave us free will. Christianity confuses me. :S
MidnightSakura1 2 years ago
IT'S FICTION! One thing is being conservative, another thing is being just plain stupid and unevolved...
Wowbagger86 2 years ago 4
Witchcraft or WORSE!!!! I can't believe the narrator said that. Ok, I can but really? Witchcraft or worse?
SapphireMist888 2 years ago
Deathly Hallows, actually, is a bit of a spiritual journey, as Harry struggles with his image of Dumbledore as this all-knowing, all-powerful person . Dumbledore has a plan for the trio, has left them all these gifts to assist them, but Harry's starting to doubt Dumbledore. He speaks to Dumbledore on several occasions, even begs for help, and finds his questions are always answered.
It's an interesting way of analyzing book, but I believe J.K.R. promotes courage, love and compassion, secularly.
bookjunkie75 2 years ago 3
who cares if its a religious book or anti religious, its fictional
sophieSPAZZTARD 2 years ago 13
oh for goodness sake, why wont people lighten up a litttle??
thepopsiclexxx 2 years ago 41
Harry Potter is not evil! I'm a christain, i go to church and i belive in Christ, and Harry Potter is my all time favorite series. Ive heard people say that rowling belives in witchcraft andall the spells are real! Puh-leaze! Yeah if i wave a stick around and say lumos its really gonna light up. people need to be more open minded. God gave us these minds andimaginations, why not use them? And even if they did ban those books(which theyll never have the power to do) i will find a way to read them
ocLoverr96 2 years ago 63
It's ironic people say that; Rowling's a Christian herself. <3
LostYesterday 2 years ago 2
I'm a Christian and I like Harry Potter too. I have mentioned before that even though Dan is an athiest, I have to keep praying for him and love him unconditionally like I do with other people weather they are beievers or not.
Blueberry40 2 years ago 3
Daniel the person whoplays harry pottter is oh god some one pls punch me
IAmHarryPotter100 2 years ago
He said so himself in an interview with esquire.
Blueberry40 2 years ago
Give Me a link and what is a enthest?
IAmHarryPotter100 2 years ago
think praying for him is gonna change God's mind about how to treat radcliffe? pretty pretentious of you, i dare say
oldrackthargor 2 years ago
@ocLoverr96
I am also a Christian, and I agree with you. I'd like to point out to all the Potte rhaters for religouse reason's, that the strongest power in the books is Love, and isn't that the founding of not just Christianity, but all faiths? This book preashes love, and in the end it's Not harrys magic that saves the world, it's his love for his firends and family. (I consider the Weasleys his family)
TactownGirl 1 year ago 4
@ocLoverr96 hello,
i am christian to, and i also like Harry Potter.
BUT: i still think it's too narrow-minded to say that 'Harry Potter' is good or something. (Yes i read the books, they were awesome to!)
so it's pretty hard to give a fair comment on this one, 'cause it's an awesome book and movie, but it ain't right, no matter what you're saying.
friendofTheHighest11 1 year ago
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@ocLoverr96 you believe is harry potter too
FIGHTFANNERD3 1 year ago
@ocLoverr96 Same here, man! With you all the way!
VOLDEMORThasrisen 1 year ago
@ocLoverr96 Yes, we have minds and imaginations. We even invented god.
sgreen71778 1 year ago
@sgreen71778 @sgreen71778 Man didn't invent God. It was the other way around!
peculiarpixie 1 year ago
@sgreen71778 im not shure about in venting god but we did give him a name
dragonsrule61398 1 year ago
@sgreen71778
Really? We invented god? Evidence?
GokzTT 11 months ago
@ocLoverr96
I'm not a Christian, but my family is.
And i totally agree, there excists lots of mindless idiots out there.
There has even been an argument that the USB Symbol is the symbol of the devil.
Seriously, it's because of those idiots that makes people hate Christianity.
And yeah, i'm an Atheist but that dosen't mean i'm gonna hate Christians.
But i really wish some people would wake up and realize that...
IT'S FANTASY, IT'S NOT REAL!
It's a great fantasy series too :D
TheAbridgedGamer 1 year ago
@TheAbridgedGamer
You're a respectful fellow to not hate Christians, because hate, disliking, and intolerance would not run this good world.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@ocLoverr96 Not that spell specifically, but witches and wizards are a serious concern in Christianity.
SirPwn4lot 1 year ago
Now hang on, they're not just YOUR burden. Just this morning I actually got mugged by a gang of goblins...What, you don't believe in goblins?
geitepung 1 year ago
@SirPwn4lot they shouldnt be like i said the 2 need to live in peaceand burry the hatchet
dragonsrule61398 1 year ago
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@SirPwn4lot they shouldnt be, like i said the 2 need to live in peaceand burry the hatchet
dragonsrule61398 1 year ago
@ocLoverr96 i agree well i am not christian im muslim but i am still a HUGE harry Potter fan
HarrypotterisBEAST 1 year ago
@ocLoverr96
That's because they're more than sticks...
You need Unicorn Hair and Griffon Gizzards and things for the wands to work :P
NormanAngle 1 year ago
@ocLoverr96 so lighting up a stick with enchantment is ridiculous, but talking snakes and turning water into wine is real? great...
eleminatus 1 year ago
@eleminatus
You're one disrespectful and intolerant person. Tell me, how did the world begin? Did nothing say nothing to happen to happen the Big Bang? If I explode bricks, it wouldn't make a house.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT yes, I AM disrespectful to religious lunatics, cause i saw what you are capable of. First, take your time to research a topic you are arguing about, otherwise its pure ignorance. Second, big bang is not a literal explosion, more like inflation. Third, singularity is NOT nothing. Fourthly, brick is a man made construct, universe isnt. Houses ARE built, we all know it, but planets are NOT. Dont put them in the same niche. If you dont understand something, doesnt mean everyone doesnt!
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
I'm not a religious lunatic, and don't blame me for what others have done, don't blame their religion either, blame their attitude. I was giving an example, a very clever example, either way it's still the same. I believe the universe to be of design, you don't, and you shouldn't stereotype all Christians or others to be the same, because that's like stereotyping that all blacks eat watermelon, or all yellows cannot drive good.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT attitude? attitude comes from a set of beliefs that person accepts. You happen to possess some. Those beliefs tend to alter the actions of a person. Your example of design is a perfect example. Simply because you possess a certain belief, it makes you think that universe requires a designer. This conclusion is based on your religious beliefs. Science proves times and times again otherwise, but you just cling to this "attitude".
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
No, we are born with attitude, whether good or ill, we even have attitude when we are babies, our wisdom is also an attitude. Science? Science proves this? Yes, it certainly does:
Law of Thermodynamics:
"Something cannot be created out of nothing"
The universe cannot be created out of nothing, I believe there is a creator, I'm not a Christian, I am different than all you'll meet.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT attitude is not something we are born with, however definition of "attitude" is irrelevant. When someones attitude is based on religion, many mistakes are made.
That not what any of laws say. You probably mean that energy and matter can not be created or destroyed. But you see, that applies to creator as well. So god can create something out of nothing, but natural laws cant?
There is plenty of evidence supporting big bang theory, however you still choose the creation!
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
We are born with attitude, even as a baby screamiing. You are stereotyping again, people have different attitudes due to different religions, atheism is also another attitude, and there is bad atheism as well. You don't understand, there was something, not there was not nothing, there was God, and Heaven, as I said I'm not a Christian, I have different beliefs. Many believers, like me, do believe in the Big Bang as creation.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT An attitude is a hypothetical construct that represents an individual's degree of like or dislike for something. Thats a definition. You cant have an attitude without something to base it on. Of course we all have attitudes, but they are all based on something. For example, persons attitude towards homosexuals will be different if he bases it on religion then someone who simply thought the issue through. Dont blame the attitude, blame the cause of that attitude!
eleminatus 11 months ago
@GokzTT an when you make an assertion like "there was something", you have to justify it! What are your beliefs then?
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
My beliefs don't have a name.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT but they have still have to be justified.
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
No, I don't have to tell you my beliefs, it's my own freedom, you won't get it from me whether you threaten me or not. Why? What would an atheist do with it? An atheist yet has to explain why the big bang happened.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT emmm.. i dont really care what your beliefs are. Im just saying they must be justified. Just like any other belief. By the way, atheism only deals with existence of god, big bang or any other scientific theory has nothing to do with it. Fortunately, majority of scientists are atheists.
We may never know WHY the big bang happened, but neither science nor religious community know at this point. Saying a god just snapped his fingers is intellectual dishonesty!
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
That's not true, I can believe whatever I want. Also not most scientists are atheists,. Most scientists aren't atheist, they just aren't Christian. Not Christian does not equal Atheist. God did not snap his fingers, God is not a male, nor a female, God is an energy of life.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT atheism is a disbelief in gods, so if you dont believe, you are an atheist. Just like if you dont eat meat, you are a vegetarian. And National Academy of Sciences is 93% atheists, among European scientists this number is even higher. And again - its not what you believe, its why!
You just made another unjustified assertion - God is an energy of life. Prove that! Just believing it does not make it true!
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
Agnostic does not mean Atheist, in reality, we are all Agnostics, you are too, and so am I. That applies to you too, you believe in evolution but it will never be proven, unless there was someone who live for thousands of years to record the changes.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT stop jumping from topic to topic. None of your claims are substantial, none of your assertions are justified. And now you started showing your ignorance. Evolution cant be proven? Have you even tried researching it? Do you know that evolution has practical applications? For crying out loud, read on the topic fist. Your claim sound silly - you dont need a living being to see the changes. Just research, please, before you make yourself look like a fool!
eleminatus 11 months ago
@GokzTT Agnosticism deals with the knowledge, or to be more precise, the lack of knowledge about gods. Meaning there are not enough info to claim one way or the other. So how can you be an agnostic if you believe in god?! I guess you should also get the definitions right!
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
That is the truth, we all lack knowledge about gods and no-gods, so whether you like it or not you are an agnostic.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT I never denied i wasnt!
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
I do believe in God, but I don't know if God exists.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT and you have no problems with this statement? Would you apply same logic to anything other supernatural, minotaur for example?
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
There are still people who believe in Greek mythology, you should ask them.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT you simply dont comprehend what im saying. Cant even answer a question directly. Only more and more unreasonable justifying. You said that you believe something without knowing if it exists. Would you apply same logic in your life for anything else supernatural? Can you answer that?
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
I never answer questions directly, I speak wisely because there are still people who are Greek pagans. Yes, why not? I don't know if Odin or Thor exists, just as much I don't know if God exists.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT Im done here! If you were wise you would know how to construct a conversation!
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
You were the one who started it, you're the one who is ending it, good luck with that.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT i never said all christians are the same, their beliefs are. Stereotypes are born from systematic behavior, christians have that as well. I also never said I blame you personally. I blame that same old belief system. To commit an action person needs a reason. Your beliefs provide plenty of them, however barely any are justifiable. Many minorities suffered and continue to, just because of those beliefs. So tell me again - why shouldnt I attack those beliefs?
eleminatus 11 months ago
@eleminatus
No, their beliefs are not the same either, there are different Christians as there are different Atheists. There is no reason for intolerance of others, only useless hate given by who knows. You shouldn't attack those beliefs because most- like me, won't attack your beliefs unless you do, like you have.
GokzTT 11 months ago
@GokzTT im not talking about details in beliefs here. Sharing a belief in god is good enough to be identified as a specific group. What stories or legends are built around that god is irrelevant. However all Abrahamic religions share same stories, since its based on bible. If you accept god of a particular book but not the body built around it, its called religious dishonesty. Im not trying to be intolerant, cause im not, im simply attacking beliefs that are detrimental to society.
eleminatus 11 months ago
i am christian orthodox but i do not believe tha harry potter is an anti religion book.come on we live in 2009 and such strict rules match in 1700.
luliwowow 2 years ago 5
Christian "ORTHODOX" should say it all, you swallow the came and strain at a gnat, why would you therefore strain at the camel of witchcraft. Don't let "christians" walking the broad and wide path fool ANY of you. True christian do not mix themselves up with stories (whether fictional or not) of the occult.
Imforeverone88 2 years ago
Ok I just want to say that religion causes more problems then it solves... think about all those wars..... people should just keep their religious beliefs to themselves. Like seriously when I read the books I wish I was going to hogwarts a learning spells, when I watch Lord of the Rings I wish I was in Rohan or Gondor. If that makes me evil well good on ya I guess I am evil!
ChilliwackDrillTeam 2 years ago 4
I'm Christian, and I don't believe you're evil at all. I wished that the world of HP was real as well, and that the fantastic imagination of J.R.R. Tolkien was also real. I also think it's interesting to note that Tolkien was a Christian, and he even went as far as to put christian themes in his books. Though he admits, they were deeply embedded in there. And J.K. Rowling admits to believing in God as well.