Turkish invasion resulted in killing of 6000 Cypriots of any ethnicity. 250 000 people of any ethnicity were misplaced from the homes becoming refugees in their own country.
It was not a peace intervention. It was a war invasion. Today the UN considers the Turkish invasion as a crime.
I am a Greek of Cyprus, I have no problem with the Turks of Cyprus. I consider them my BROTHERS.
I only want to live in a free, united Cyprus with no ethnic hatred and no armies and other countries intervening.
Good presentation of facts. Unfortunately essential facts are still missing.
EOKA nationalists killed around 250 Greek Cypriots because they were against the the Greek Turkish opposition in the island. TMT killed tenths of Turkish Cypriots who were also opposed to the Greek Turkish opposition.
This means that the clashes in the island were provocations backed from the armies of Greece and Turkey.
What would Greeks say when they came under turkish occupation?
-ethnic cleansing and discrimination of Greeks in Istanbul 1955
-Gökceada/Imbros and Tenedos Greeks had autonmy garantee by Turkey after the LausanneAgreements but turkey closed in 1964 greeks schools and send criminals settlers their.......
kikyssplff,look at the dates,1963-1966,I was actually there and bear witness,yer ancestors blew it,I also know what it was like in Germany as a divided nation,enjoy your bleak future brought about by intolerence,or dont you care cos you do not live in Cyprus?
@landers71 you are being ignorant looking only at 3 years you were there when there is much more history to it then 3, 6 or 10 years. the reason is because of you british,americans and mainland turkey taking advantage of the population, manipulating the two ethnicities to fight!! in that case you could get your bases and divide the island.. the majority of cypriots got along, my grandparents had many turkish friends living in peace.
I was there from 1963-1966,''divide and rule'',cypriots of greek descent made the division by the ethnic cleansing they started in December 1963.
Independance was from Britain to become INDEPENDANT Cyprus,the cypriots of turkish descent had no fear of that,but union with Greece,which was the intent all along,did get the cypriots of turkish descent scared.
Have union with Greece now and go bankrupt with them,look across the med to Malta,independant Malta,jealous yet?
@VOICEofTRNC Well produced video and factual,this is a difficult and sensitive subject that needs cool logic to solve,wish it could return to pre 1963.
haha the point is mr 'voiceoftrnc',, how would you feel if i came into your house, forced you out of it and left you with nowhere to live???? how can you say that turks have a right to live in the north?? the turkish people who live in northern cyprus were sent from turkey to inhabit the land so greeks wouldn't go there!! you are trying to fight an unjust cause!!! greek people still have homes that they can't even go back to!!!!
@kikysspliff Well, Mr Spliff, Turkish Cypriots have been living on the island since the 1500s. Are you telling me they have no right to live there? If you actually research the FACTS of Cyprus history rather than just soak up all the propaganda around you, you would be enlightened to the reasons WHY Turkey intervened in 1974 and had the island separated. Also, most of the Greek homes were actually abandoned after a population swap agreed by BOTH sides a few years after the intervention.
@VOICEofTRNC excuse me?? FACTS??? the fact that the greeks and turks were living together and turkey intervened because????? i will tell you why because the USA and england wanted half of cyprus to be split so they could put bases there. the people living in cyprus were greek christians, the turkish people who live in cyprus dont like the turks and are actually against(have been protesting against) turkey sending more people to live there!!!! the turks did what the americans said to do!!
also it is unjust considering how minute the turkish cypriot population was compared to the greek population living there!! do the math!! how can you possibly take nearly half a country when there was almost three times more greeks there!! are you cypriot??? how would you know the truth??? read a book my friend
I think Im the only Greek that has not been brain washed and also knows that it is not the Turks fault what happened. There are plenty of hypocrites out there, I know the Greeks are (sorry) but there are slating matches then they go over to the turkish side Casinos and gamble there money?? Or when asked what will you do if you get your village/town back there reply is dunno.. If they leave where will they go? Its there home, its like the British telling us to leave uk aa hello we were born here?
@Kyriaki1977 That is very true. According to recent surveys there would only be a very small percentage of Greek Cypriots that would actually return to their land in the North and it's the same with Turkish Cypriots. It's just a damn shame it all happened in the first place. I don't think it's a coincidence that Greek and Turkish Cypriots in the UK seem to be great friends. It's because they identify in eachother so many similarities, only because they are both CYPRIOTS.
@Kyriaki1977 well i think that small percentage should get the chance to go back to the homeland!! and you are the brainwashed one!! and again a small percentage who go and gamble over there!! what about the greeks our grandparents who have land and businesses and land there which is just left to rot!
I know you took your time putting this together, but what a load of rubbish!! It was the British & America Shit stirring between the 2 sides! I hope this sorts its self out coz the new generation is getting really bored with the situation!! British wanted the whole of Cyprus for a base.. Used Turkey to do so but failed miserably. Simples,both sides were used and abused. Ok Greece didn't help the matter they would do anything for money. Both sides must know the full truth!
I think he called them cantons but not sure but it basically meant dividing each of the adminstation areas into Greek & Turkish zones with the towns divided...
Also no Greek or Turkish political parties, police or other government bodies but mixed like in other modern countries!!!
I very much support this as a good idea as many Greeks do but no point suggesting it because Turks want 2 seperate countries on a tiny island...
Oh & dont presume i voted NO in the referendum on the Annan Plan!!!
I agree with seperate areas but more along the lines of what the Turkish leader Ecevit suggested of having seperate areas in Nicosia, Limassol, Laranaca, Famagusta, Kyrenia & Paphos with each of those towns beig divided very much like Nicosia is...
So Northern Famagusta Turkish & Southern Famagusta Greek for example & have all ports & airports as neutral...
Also why have Turkish Cypriots stayed silent when seeing Turks destroy ancient sites, monasteries, churches & desecrate graveyards if they love Cyprus as we do???
We have looked after mosques & Turkish sites in the south & if any people do attempt top vandalise them they are dealt with & if they succeed we repair & restore them...
But we are cultured & civilized & dont desecrate our islands history!!!
@PSAVA74 Today, you might be doing this, if for any miraculous reason you and I travelled back into the mid 50's towards 60's you'd see how some of your countrymen really treated mosques, or any other Turkish sites, along with Cypriot-Turks themselves. I wonder how much does it take for Cypriot-Greeks to see that both you and my people, the people of Cyprus were the ones who brutally paid for the hunger of the British as their carefully executed plans created an era of hatred.
It is you who is brainwashed that EOKA-B was a group that represented all Greeks & this is totaly untrue!!!
Most Greeks fought against them & the Junta or just buried their heads in the sand!!!
It would have far more constructive if Turkish Cypriots had joined against Nicos Sampson instead of supporting a Turkish invasion just like how the Turks became the enemy within by actively helping the British...
Thats why the K in EOKA means Cypriot not Greek...
Turkey is responsible for the ETHNIC CLEANSING & GENOCIDE of 1,500,000 Armenians, 750,000 Assyrians, 543,000 Pontic Greeks, 5,000 Greek Cypriots & the Continued PERSECUTION of 15,000,000 Kurds...
Turkey is OCUPPYING 37% of Cyprus preventing 250,000 Greek Cypriots from living in their homeland & Turkey is OCUPPYING Kurdistan preventing 15,000,000 Kurds from having a homeland...
But 9 Turks die on a Flotilla going to Gaza & its the end of the world & they start crying like its GENOCIDE!!!
@PSAVA74 How about reading up abit on Cyprus history so you can realise WHY the Turkish troops are there in the first place. And also it was the Greek Cypriots who voted 'No' to the Annan plan which would have seen most Turkish troops leaving Cyprus.
SO STOP PLAYING THE VICTIMS ALL THE TIME AND ACCEPT THAT:
Turkey is responsible for the ETHNIC CLEANSING & GENOCIDE of 1,500,000 Armenians, 750,000 Assyrians, 543,000 Pontic Greeks, 5,000 Greek Cypriots & the Continued PERSECUTION of 15,000,000 Kurds...
Turkey is OCUPPYING 37% of Cyprus preventing 250,000 Greek Cypriots from living in their homeland & Turkey is OCUPPYING Kurdistan preventing 15,000,000 Kurds from having a homeland...
@VOICEofTRNC The Annan Plan wasnt about a pece settlement, it was about two seperate questions given to two commonities "GCs: Would you like to pay for everything ang get half of what you were expecting?" Answer: "ehhh no". "TCs: Would you like to join the EU?" Answer: "eeeh yes please."
@TeddyZigg You seem to simplify it quiet nicely! Unfortunately it wasn't that simple. Things like this is never that simple. Annan plan was a step towards unification, it wasn't a permanent settlement of ideas. Nothing is perfect my friend, so you shouldn't have expected this to be perfect either. Of course some people will have problems with it, but it was meant to be a beginning. Had the Annan plan went forth, in the future another agreement could have superseded the Annan plan, a better plan.
[continued] A plan voted by the people of Cyprus, both Greek & Turkish, Cypriots. Once the Island unites, this would bring forth many wonderful events, such as the Turkish army leaving Cyprus, because at that point we assume the TC's will be as safe as GC's and no need for an army. Since the island is united as one country and her people as one, then there is no more need of guaranteeing countries, so off with Greece, Turkey and Britain, and hello to self governance, hello to sovereignty.
[continued] But of course nothing is simple, right? It takes commitment, trust and loyalty. So its unto Cypriots to make that decision, both Greek & Turkish as one. There is so much potential on that island. They just need to wake up and see it. Once these things all fall into place there's the pesky British and their military bases to get rid of :) (Not the civilians mind you, military only). BTW, I would also like to give my condolences to the People of Cyprus for the explosions in Florakis.
@elbbd Please do patronize, you have no insight whatsoever into my expectations of a settlement. I actually read the damn Annan Plan and there are 2 little lines in there giving the Bases sea territory outside the bases (shocking that thats where gas pipelines could pass through 10 years later isnt it) and and Cyprus, united or not, would not have been able to dictate its EEZ freely as the Maritime Laws of 1958 would still apply. Those 2 lines is what that plan was all about - simple enough?
@elbbd Please dont patronize, you have no insight whatsoever into my expectations of a settlement. I actually read the damn Annan Plan and there are 2 little lines in there giving the Bases sea territory outside the bases (shocking that thats where gas pipelines could pass through 10 years later isnt it) and and Cyprus, united or not, would not have been able to dictate its EEZ freely as the Maritime Laws of 1958 would still apply. Those 2 lines is what that plan was all about - simple enough?
@elbbd and as for Commitment trust and loyalty, well thats fine, same requirements for a happy marriage right? How can you marry someone who can only repeat what your potential mother-in-law thinks and says? The TCs need to show that they are no longer content being a minority in the "TRNC" and find a way of electing a representative who truly represents the views of the today's TCs (and the GCs need to do the same by the way)
SELF IMPOSED enclaves? I think you should look up the Akritas Plan before you make such claims. And if you want to talk about smuggling troops into Cyprus then I should state that by the late 1960's there were over 15,000 more GREEK troops in Cyprus than were allowed, most of whom returned to Greece after threats by Turkey. You seem to be one of the many brainwashed victims of the Greek Cypriot propaganda machine.
@PSAVA74 I don't care about your Pontic montic stories but when you put your tongue on Kurds, I'd say "Hold it there!!!.
Come to Anatolia and talk t Kurds if you dare.. see how they tear up your tongue and put it in your ass and post you back to Greece.
Stupid.. you are mixing Kurds with PKK as if all supporting PKK. PKK is supported by only 2 million Kurds at South East Anatolia under the fear of life threatening PKK terror. Rest 12 million settled in West Anatolia together with us. Learn!!!
@PSAVA74 Turkey is responsible nothing except the life, property and governership rights of Turkish Cypriots.
Sign for those ..next day we will pull the army back to Anatolia.
But if you Greeks start to kill Turkish children again.. this time be sure we will burn that bloody island A to Z into ashes.. This is not 1920's nor 1974's Turkey.
You should check your numbers, and go back to reading some real sources. What you have written, is a copy paste that goes around as the helpful tool of every Anti-Turkish extremist, its just that some numbers fluctuate :) If you still sitting there and bashing Turkey, you're doing exactly as they are puppeteering you to do. Do you like being a puppet? I wouldn't like being a puppet. I would like to be able to decide on my own with regards to facts. Think about it, it is important.
give back the stolen land. Is the right thing to do AND LETS make a common country for all cypriots. As soon as you keep stolen land, you can not have your own state. Thats why no one recognise you.If its right to have a second state in Cyprus ,then why not a kurdish state in Turkey.
@Andalpha I wouldn't say the land was stolen after considering the facts of recent Cyprus History. I believe the the separation was necessary for the safety of Turkish Cypriots. However, I do regret the separation lasting this long and I hope for peace in the near future.
@VOICEofTRNC Obviously we both are non fanatic persons. But we have to restore human rights for all cypriots. The danger from our fanatics its over. Greek cypriots will never accept again anything against you. Can you tell the same about fanatics turkish cypriots ?? The real danger is when injustices are continue to exist. No other state in the world obligates the people to live away of its land ...
@VOICEofTRNC ...You shouldn't built on greek cypriot land, as we shouldn't use any t/cypriot land . I would personally recognise a t/cypriot state, if you dont want to live with us...But , to create a new state you must have compact land ...wich you dont have it. The majority of that land belongs to others. A federation..?? ok we have accept it , but humans rights must be restored...
Just a question i wanted to state to make things clearer for you. Why all the cases that go from Cyprus to ECHR are all from greekcypriots and not from turishcypriots ?
If I am mistaken please tell me, because I have never heard of a case going to Human Rights Court from turkish side and the decision be for them. Or the ECHR is bias as well?
@hellerase I don't think ECHR are biased. I think the reason we only hear of Greek Cypriots appealing to ECHR is because of the difference in number of people applying from each side. So many GCs appeal while so little TCs appeal you only hear of the people that appeal most, being the GCs.
@VOICEofTRNC You are totally mistaken, check it on your own if you don`t believe me on that... But anyway that`s not the point, the point is if we ever can make it back together but I don`t think so because of all those stupid politicians that we and you have.
@VOICEofTRNC haha you are right and wrong. Indeed is up to the viewer but still half-truth means that it`s misrepresentation, and in courts, misrepresentation gets punished. Don`t make me to punish you xD
@hellerase lol Well you can spare me the punishment because there are no half truths in this clip. It's ALL facts. Don't think that I hate Greek Cypriots, I grew up with them. Some of my best friends are GC. But that doesn't change the FACTS of history ;-)
@VOICEofTRNC yeah, ok those are facts but you can`t just say that turkish genocide without stating all the facts, because saying genocide means something that only the turkish side agrees.
What do they say ,divide and rule,they divided the two cypriot communities as they did in Ireland India etc etc,I hope the big boys in London and washington sleep well at night,as for Kissinger,how many countries have filed charges against him in the courts of human rights,dozens,any court date not a chance.
@soutsi you bring tears to my eyes, and I'm not being ironic. It's good to know that we have sensible counterparts on the other side. Take care and be safe.
This is what happens when we allow fanatics to make the decisions. Sampson and Grevas, and Denktash, all fanatics and the Cypriot people, both Greek and Turk paid the price.
This is certainly right that hartzia said but turks paid more they took our iberty from our hands with making embargos... i want to fly directly to world not passing on turkey first... İ want to join international races matches duties .... what can i do for solution ???
Oh, I forgot to add to the fanatics list: Esgvit (the asshole who ordered the invasion) and the Turkish generals who are actually in charge of Turkey and the "Grey Wolves" , that Terrorist organization.
You don't know what your talking about. It was the turks who initially attacked the greeks in cyprus. onece again, just like your broken english, they teach your history all wrong. PS: Go back to school and learn proper English.
more than happy to. Since you live under the military occupation how can I expect you to learn the truth in the schools your masters contro. In the 1950s, EOKA, revolted agaist the British occupation and called for enosis with Greece. The British, encouraged the Turkish Cyrpriots , to fight the Greeks to prevent this. The Greeks did not consider the Turkish Cyps their enemies, the considered the British to be the enemies. The British used the turkish cyps like puppets to meet their goals.
@hartzia EOKA and the Greek Cypriots in favour of ENOSIS knew that after the British, it would be the Turkish Cypriots who would be an obstacle in their path to achieve the union. Leaflets handed out in the late 50's by the fanatics made it quite clear that if the British were taken care of, TC's were next. Turkish Cypriots righfully saw this movement as a major threat and being heavily outnumbered took advantage of what the British had to offer.
@VOICEofTRNC I agree with you , but you have to admit also that you had the same shit but with different name in to u r community. fanatics are all over. I remind you the many killings by TMT against t/c cause they continue to have friendship with g/c
How was my father a traitor if he fight Turkish in 1974 while AKEL told their supporters not fight Turkish invasion same as all AKEL gave information against EOKA in 1950's.
Its AKEL who are with Turkish against Greeks & against the Church with their Athiestic ways.
@MrAltay1 ...perfect answer ! is like .."i killed them cause they had in mind to ..kill me" :P ...If we make a list of all killings in Cyprus, be sure that t/cypriots fanatics did MORE to us than our fanatics idiots did to you... And remember that greeks fanatics did more to us ..than to you.! In any case u can not cut human rights recalling for ever those injustise killings, of BOTH comunities.
Then you should demand that the Turkish Army pull out of your country. It is not the Greeks who are islolating you, it is the Turkish army with their "Green Line" and barbed wire fense. Why can't my relatives return to their homes and their lands? Why are illeagle settlers living in their homes? because of the Turk occupation army.
Turkish invasion resulted in killing of 6000 Cypriots of any ethnicity. 250 000 people of any ethnicity were misplaced from the homes becoming refugees in their own country.
It was not a peace intervention. It was a war invasion. Today the UN considers the Turkish invasion as a crime.
I am a Greek of Cyprus, I have no problem with the Turks of Cyprus. I consider them my BROTHERS.
I only want to live in a free, united Cyprus with no ethnic hatred and no armies and other countries intervening.
eksigitis 1 week ago
Good presentation of facts. Unfortunately essential facts are still missing.
EOKA nationalists killed around 250 Greek Cypriots because they were against the the Greek Turkish opposition in the island. TMT killed tenths of Turkish Cypriots who were also opposed to the Greek Turkish opposition.
This means that the clashes in the island were provocations backed from the armies of Greece and Turkey.
This was the plan for the Turkish army to invade.
eksigitis 1 week ago
What would Greeks say when they came under turkish occupation?
-ethnic cleansing and discrimination of Greeks in Istanbul 1955
-Gökceada/Imbros and Tenedos Greeks had autonmy garantee by Turkey after the LausanneAgreements but turkey closed in 1964 greeks schools and send criminals settlers their.......
paoceltic 1 month ago
kikyssplff,look at the dates,1963-1966,I was actually there and bear witness,yer ancestors blew it,I also know what it was like in Germany as a divided nation,enjoy your bleak future brought about by intolerence,or dont you care cos you do not live in Cyprus?
landers71 5 months ago
@landers71 you are being ignorant looking only at 3 years you were there when there is much more history to it then 3, 6 or 10 years. the reason is because of you british,americans and mainland turkey taking advantage of the population, manipulating the two ethnicities to fight!! in that case you could get your bases and divide the island.. the majority of cypriots got along, my grandparents had many turkish friends living in peace.
kikysspliff 4 months ago
I was there from 1963-1966,''divide and rule'',cypriots of greek descent made the division by the ethnic cleansing they started in December 1963.
Independance was from Britain to become INDEPENDANT Cyprus,the cypriots of turkish descent had no fear of that,but union with Greece,which was the intent all along,did get the cypriots of turkish descent scared.
Have union with Greece now and go bankrupt with them,look across the med to Malta,independant Malta,jealous yet?
landers71 5 months ago
@landers71 Great comment. Well said.
VOICEofTRNC 5 months ago
@VOICEofTRNC Well produced video and factual,this is a difficult and sensitive subject that needs cool logic to solve,wish it could return to pre 1963.
landers71 5 months ago
@landers71 no, not jealous at all as cyprus is independent just like malta!! haha we dont pay anything to greece
kikysspliff 5 months ago
haha the point is mr 'voiceoftrnc',, how would you feel if i came into your house, forced you out of it and left you with nowhere to live???? how can you say that turks have a right to live in the north?? the turkish people who live in northern cyprus were sent from turkey to inhabit the land so greeks wouldn't go there!! you are trying to fight an unjust cause!!! greek people still have homes that they can't even go back to!!!!
kikysspliff 6 months ago
@kikysspliff Well, Mr Spliff, Turkish Cypriots have been living on the island since the 1500s. Are you telling me they have no right to live there? If you actually research the FACTS of Cyprus history rather than just soak up all the propaganda around you, you would be enlightened to the reasons WHY Turkey intervened in 1974 and had the island separated. Also, most of the Greek homes were actually abandoned after a population swap agreed by BOTH sides a few years after the intervention.
VOICEofTRNC 6 months ago
@VOICEofTRNC excuse me?? FACTS??? the fact that the greeks and turks were living together and turkey intervened because????? i will tell you why because the USA and england wanted half of cyprus to be split so they could put bases there. the people living in cyprus were greek christians, the turkish people who live in cyprus dont like the turks and are actually against(have been protesting against) turkey sending more people to live there!!!! the turks did what the americans said to do!!
kikysspliff 6 months ago
also it is unjust considering how minute the turkish cypriot population was compared to the greek population living there!! do the math!! how can you possibly take nearly half a country when there was almost three times more greeks there!! are you cypriot??? how would you know the truth??? read a book my friend
kikysspliff 6 months ago
I think Im the only Greek that has not been brain washed and also knows that it is not the Turks fault what happened. There are plenty of hypocrites out there, I know the Greeks are (sorry) but there are slating matches then they go over to the turkish side Casinos and gamble there money?? Or when asked what will you do if you get your village/town back there reply is dunno.. If they leave where will they go? Its there home, its like the British telling us to leave uk aa hello we were born here?
Kyriaki1977 9 months ago
@Kyriaki1977 That is very true. According to recent surveys there would only be a very small percentage of Greek Cypriots that would actually return to their land in the North and it's the same with Turkish Cypriots. It's just a damn shame it all happened in the first place. I don't think it's a coincidence that Greek and Turkish Cypriots in the UK seem to be great friends. It's because they identify in eachother so many similarities, only because they are both CYPRIOTS.
VOICEofTRNC 9 months ago
@Kyriaki1977 well i think that small percentage should get the chance to go back to the homeland!! and you are the brainwashed one!! and again a small percentage who go and gamble over there!! what about the greeks our grandparents who have land and businesses and land there which is just left to rot!
kikysspliff 6 months ago
I know you took your time putting this together, but what a load of rubbish!! It was the British & America Shit stirring between the 2 sides! I hope this sorts its self out coz the new generation is getting really bored with the situation!! British wanted the whole of Cyprus for a base.. Used Turkey to do so but failed miserably. Simples,both sides were used and abused. Ok Greece didn't help the matter they would do anything for money. Both sides must know the full truth!
Kyriaki1977 9 months ago
I think he called them cantons but not sure but it basically meant dividing each of the adminstation areas into Greek & Turkish zones with the towns divided...
Also no Greek or Turkish political parties, police or other government bodies but mixed like in other modern countries!!!
I very much support this as a good idea as many Greeks do but no point suggesting it because Turks want 2 seperate countries on a tiny island...
PSAVA74 1 year ago
Oh & dont presume i voted NO in the referendum on the Annan Plan!!!
I agree with seperate areas but more along the lines of what the Turkish leader Ecevit suggested of having seperate areas in Nicosia, Limassol, Laranaca, Famagusta, Kyrenia & Paphos with each of those towns beig divided very much like Nicosia is...
So Northern Famagusta Turkish & Southern Famagusta Greek for example & have all ports & airports as neutral...
Something along those lines...
PSAVA74 1 year ago
Also why have Turkish Cypriots stayed silent when seeing Turks destroy ancient sites, monasteries, churches & desecrate graveyards if they love Cyprus as we do???
We have looked after mosques & Turkish sites in the south & if any people do attempt top vandalise them they are dealt with & if they succeed we repair & restore them...
But we are cultured & civilized & dont desecrate our islands history!!!
PSAVA74 1 year ago
@PSAVA74 Today, you might be doing this, if for any miraculous reason you and I travelled back into the mid 50's towards 60's you'd see how some of your countrymen really treated mosques, or any other Turkish sites, along with Cypriot-Turks themselves. I wonder how much does it take for Cypriot-Greeks to see that both you and my people, the people of Cyprus were the ones who brutally paid for the hunger of the British as their carefully executed plans created an era of hatred.
elbbd 7 months ago
It is you who is brainwashed that EOKA-B was a group that represented all Greeks & this is totaly untrue!!!
Most Greeks fought against them & the Junta or just buried their heads in the sand!!!
It would have far more constructive if Turkish Cypriots had joined against Nicos Sampson instead of supporting a Turkish invasion just like how the Turks became the enemy within by actively helping the British...
Thats why the K in EOKA means Cypriot not Greek...
It was to free Cypriots...
PSAVA74 1 year ago
Turkey is responsible for the ETHNIC CLEANSING & GENOCIDE of 1,500,000 Armenians, 750,000 Assyrians, 543,000 Pontic Greeks, 5,000 Greek Cypriots & the Continued PERSECUTION of 15,000,000 Kurds...
Turkey is OCUPPYING 37% of Cyprus preventing 250,000 Greek Cypriots from living in their homeland & Turkey is OCUPPYING Kurdistan preventing 15,000,000 Kurds from having a homeland...
But 9 Turks die on a Flotilla going to Gaza & its the end of the world & they start crying like its GENOCIDE!!!
PSAVA74 1 year ago
@PSAVA74 How about reading up abit on Cyprus history so you can realise WHY the Turkish troops are there in the first place. And also it was the Greek Cypriots who voted 'No' to the Annan plan which would have seen most Turkish troops leaving Cyprus.
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SO STOP PLAYING THE VICTIMS ALL THE TIME AND ACCEPT THAT:
Turkey is responsible for the ETHNIC CLEANSING & GENOCIDE of 1,500,000 Armenians, 750,000 Assyrians, 543,000 Pontic Greeks, 5,000 Greek Cypriots & the Continued PERSECUTION of 15,000,000 Kurds...
Turkey is OCUPPYING 37% of Cyprus preventing 250,000 Greek Cypriots from living in their homeland & Turkey is OCUPPYING Kurdistan preventing 15,000,000 Kurds from having a homeland...
PSAVA74 1 year ago
@VOICEofTRNC The Annan Plan wasnt about a pece settlement, it was about two seperate questions given to two commonities "GCs: Would you like to pay for everything ang get half of what you were expecting?" Answer: "ehhh no". "TCs: Would you like to join the EU?" Answer: "eeeh yes please."
TeddyZigg 7 months ago
@TeddyZigg You seem to simplify it quiet nicely! Unfortunately it wasn't that simple. Things like this is never that simple. Annan plan was a step towards unification, it wasn't a permanent settlement of ideas. Nothing is perfect my friend, so you shouldn't have expected this to be perfect either. Of course some people will have problems with it, but it was meant to be a beginning. Had the Annan plan went forth, in the future another agreement could have superseded the Annan plan, a better plan.
elbbd 7 months ago
[continued] A plan voted by the people of Cyprus, both Greek & Turkish, Cypriots. Once the Island unites, this would bring forth many wonderful events, such as the Turkish army leaving Cyprus, because at that point we assume the TC's will be as safe as GC's and no need for an army. Since the island is united as one country and her people as one, then there is no more need of guaranteeing countries, so off with Greece, Turkey and Britain, and hello to self governance, hello to sovereignty.
elbbd 7 months ago
[continued] But of course nothing is simple, right? It takes commitment, trust and loyalty. So its unto Cypriots to make that decision, both Greek & Turkish as one. There is so much potential on that island. They just need to wake up and see it. Once these things all fall into place there's the pesky British and their military bases to get rid of :) (Not the civilians mind you, military only). BTW, I would also like to give my condolences to the People of Cyprus for the explosions in Florakis.
elbbd 7 months ago
@elbbd Please do patronize, you have no insight whatsoever into my expectations of a settlement. I actually read the damn Annan Plan and there are 2 little lines in there giving the Bases sea territory outside the bases (shocking that thats where gas pipelines could pass through 10 years later isnt it) and and Cyprus, united or not, would not have been able to dictate its EEZ freely as the Maritime Laws of 1958 would still apply. Those 2 lines is what that plan was all about - simple enough?
TeddyZigg 5 months ago
@elbbd Please dont patronize, you have no insight whatsoever into my expectations of a settlement. I actually read the damn Annan Plan and there are 2 little lines in there giving the Bases sea territory outside the bases (shocking that thats where gas pipelines could pass through 10 years later isnt it) and and Cyprus, united or not, would not have been able to dictate its EEZ freely as the Maritime Laws of 1958 would still apply. Those 2 lines is what that plan was all about - simple enough?
TeddyZigg 5 months ago
@elbbd and as for Commitment trust and loyalty, well thats fine, same requirements for a happy marriage right? How can you marry someone who can only repeat what your potential mother-in-law thinks and says? The TCs need to show that they are no longer content being a minority in the "TRNC" and find a way of electing a representative who truly represents the views of the today's TCs (and the GCs need to do the same by the way)
TeddyZigg 5 months ago
@PSAVA74
SELF IMPOSED enclaves? I think you should look up the Akritas Plan before you make such claims. And if you want to talk about smuggling troops into Cyprus then I should state that by the late 1960's there were over 15,000 more GREEK troops in Cyprus than were allowed, most of whom returned to Greece after threats by Turkey. You seem to be one of the many brainwashed victims of the Greek Cypriot propaganda machine.
VOICEofTRNC 1 year ago
@VOICEofTRNC
So losing 11 members of my extended family in 1974, & 5 of whome we cant even bury due to having no bodies makes me brainwashed???
Also the reason so many Greeks were in Cyprus by the late 1960's was to prevent Taksim & get ENOSIS of our island with our Motherland...
Also EOKA (1955-59) & EOKA-B (1963-74) were totally different groups!!!
My father was in the EOKA but fought against EOKA-B like many others did...
Also EOKA-B killed left wing Greeks aswell as Turks...
PSAVA74 1 year ago
@PSAVA74 I don't care about your Pontic montic stories but when you put your tongue on Kurds, I'd say "Hold it there!!!.
Come to Anatolia and talk t Kurds if you dare.. see how they tear up your tongue and put it in your ass and post you back to Greece.
Stupid.. you are mixing Kurds with PKK as if all supporting PKK. PKK is supported by only 2 million Kurds at South East Anatolia under the fear of life threatening PKK terror. Rest 12 million settled in West Anatolia together with us. Learn!!!
deeptuber109 9 months ago
@PSAVA74 Turkey is responsible nothing except the life, property and governership rights of Turkish Cypriots.
Sign for those ..next day we will pull the army back to Anatolia.
But if you Greeks start to kill Turkish children again.. this time be sure we will burn that bloody island A to Z into ashes.. This is not 1920's nor 1974's Turkey.
deeptuber109 9 months ago
@PSAVA74
You should check your numbers, and go back to reading some real sources. What you have written, is a copy paste that goes around as the helpful tool of every Anti-Turkish extremist, its just that some numbers fluctuate :) If you still sitting there and bashing Turkey, you're doing exactly as they are puppeteering you to do. Do you like being a puppet? I wouldn't like being a puppet. I would like to be able to decide on my own with regards to facts. Think about it, it is important.
elbbd 7 months ago
Please dont tell me you believe this shit.
thegame24 1 year ago
give back the stolen land. Is the right thing to do AND LETS make a common country for all cypriots. As soon as you keep stolen land, you can not have your own state. Thats why no one recognise you.If its right to have a second state in Cyprus ,then why not a kurdish state in Turkey.
Andalpha 1 year ago
@Andalpha I wouldn't say the land was stolen after considering the facts of recent Cyprus History. I believe the the separation was necessary for the safety of Turkish Cypriots. However, I do regret the separation lasting this long and I hope for peace in the near future.
VOICEofTRNC 1 year ago
@VOICEofTRNC Obviously we both are non fanatic persons. But we have to restore human rights for all cypriots. The danger from our fanatics its over. Greek cypriots will never accept again anything against you. Can you tell the same about fanatics turkish cypriots ?? The real danger is when injustices are continue to exist. No other state in the world obligates the people to live away of its land ...
Andalpha 1 year ago
@VOICEofTRNC ...You shouldn't built on greek cypriot land, as we shouldn't use any t/cypriot land . I would personally recognise a t/cypriot state, if you dont want to live with us...But , to create a new state you must have compact land ...wich you dont have it. The majority of that land belongs to others. A federation..?? ok we have accept it , but humans rights must be restored...
Andalpha 1 year ago
Just a question i wanted to state to make things clearer for you. Why all the cases that go from Cyprus to ECHR are all from greekcypriots and not from turishcypriots ?
If I am mistaken please tell me, because I have never heard of a case going to Human Rights Court from turkish side and the decision be for them. Or the ECHR is bias as well?
hellerase 1 year ago
@hellerase I don't think ECHR are biased. I think the reason we only hear of Greek Cypriots appealing to ECHR is because of the difference in number of people applying from each side. So many GCs appeal while so little TCs appeal you only hear of the people that appeal most, being the GCs.
VOICEofTRNC 1 year ago
@VOICEofTRNC You are totally mistaken, check it on your own if you don`t believe me on that... But anyway that`s not the point, the point is if we ever can make it back together but I don`t think so because of all those stupid politicians that we and you have.
hellerase 1 year ago
VOICEofTRNC, mate I have nothing against you or your videos, but do you really believe that this is no propaganda?
hellerase 1 year ago
@hellerase it may be propaganda but that doesn't make it a lie my friend, it's up to the viewer whether they accept the info as facts or not.
VOICEofTRNC 1 year ago
@VOICEofTRNC haha you are right and wrong. Indeed is up to the viewer but still half-truth means that it`s misrepresentation, and in courts, misrepresentation gets punished. Don`t make me to punish you xD
hellerase 1 year ago
@hellerase lol Well you can spare me the punishment because there are no half truths in this clip. It's ALL facts. Don't think that I hate Greek Cypriots, I grew up with them. Some of my best friends are GC. But that doesn't change the FACTS of history ;-)
VOICEofTRNC 1 year ago
@VOICEofTRNC yeah, ok those are facts but you can`t just say that turkish genocide without stating all the facts, because saying genocide means something that only the turkish side agrees.
hellerase 1 year ago
this video is perfect... its the whole truth... im sick to death of the propaganda as we as turkish cypriots are aware of the truth
dreamgrafix 1 year ago
What do they say ,divide and rule,they divided the two cypriot communities as they did in Ireland India etc etc,I hope the big boys in London and washington sleep well at night,as for Kissinger,how many countries have filed charges against him in the courts of human rights,dozens,any court date not a chance.
soutsi 2 years ago 3
@soutsi you bring tears to my eyes, and I'm not being ironic. It's good to know that we have sensible counterparts on the other side. Take care and be safe.
elbbd 7 months ago
This is what happens when we allow fanatics to make the decisions. Sampson and Grevas, and Denktash, all fanatics and the Cypriot people, both Greek and Turk paid the price.
hartzia 2 years ago 7
This is certainly right that hartzia said but turks paid more they took our iberty from our hands with making embargos... i want to fly directly to world not passing on turkey first... İ want to join international races matches duties .... what can i do for solution ???
-NOTHİNG (because of idiot U.N. )
MrAltay1 2 years ago
Oh, I forgot to add to the fanatics list: Esgvit (the asshole who ordered the invasion) and the Turkish generals who are actually in charge of Turkey and the "Grey Wolves" , that Terrorist organization.
hartzia 2 years ago
@hartzia But u have to memorise that greeks were started to kill our grandfathers mothers children !!! no age !! also dads and mothers !!
so turkey's solution is ok ! //But ıf turkey wasnt here we were all died !!
MrAltay1 2 years ago
You don't know what your talking about. It was the turks who initially attacked the greeks in cyprus. onece again, just like your broken english, they teach your history all wrong. PS: Go back to school and learn proper English.
hartzia 2 years ago
@hartzia Turks attacked the Greeks in cyprus first? please elaborate.
VOICEofTRNC 2 years ago
more than happy to. Since you live under the military occupation how can I expect you to learn the truth in the schools your masters contro. In the 1950s, EOKA, revolted agaist the British occupation and called for enosis with Greece. The British, encouraged the Turkish Cyrpriots , to fight the Greeks to prevent this. The Greeks did not consider the Turkish Cyps their enemies, the considered the British to be the enemies. The British used the turkish cyps like puppets to meet their goals.
hartzia 2 years ago
@hartzia EOKA and the Greek Cypriots in favour of ENOSIS knew that after the British, it would be the Turkish Cypriots who would be an obstacle in their path to achieve the union. Leaflets handed out in the late 50's by the fanatics made it quite clear that if the British were taken care of, TC's were next. Turkish Cypriots righfully saw this movement as a major threat and being heavily outnumbered took advantage of what the British had to offer.
VOICEofTRNC 2 years ago
@VOICEofTRNC I agree with you , but you have to admit also that you had the same shit but with different name in to u r community. fanatics are all over. I remind you the many killings by TMT against t/c cause they continue to have friendship with g/c
Andalpha 1 year ago
@Andalpha You are right. TMT did kill TCs who they thought may be informants.
VOICEofTRNC 1 year ago
@VOICEofTRNC NOT exactly. They didn't want any frienship between the 2 comunities.
Andalpha 1 year ago
@Andalpha
I bet you are AKEL & voted for traitor Christofias?
SAVAKIS1000 1 year ago
@SAVAKIS1000 traitor is your whole race and family. You lost the bet.
Andalpha 1 year ago
@Andalpha
How was my father a traitor if he fight Turkish in 1974 while AKEL told their supporters not fight Turkish invasion same as all AKEL gave information against EOKA in 1950's.
Its AKEL who are with Turkish against Greeks & against the Church with their Athiestic ways.
SAVAKIS1000 1 year ago
traitor was your father, and your grandfather too.
Andalpha 1 year ago
@MrAltay1 ...perfect answer ! is like .."i killed them cause they had in mind to ..kill me" :P ...If we make a list of all killings in Cyprus, be sure that t/cypriots fanatics did MORE to us than our fanatics idiots did to you... And remember that greeks fanatics did more to us ..than to you.! In any case u can not cut human rights recalling for ever those injustise killings, of BOTH comunities.
Andalpha 1 year ago
Then you should demand that the Turkish Army pull out of your country. It is not the Greeks who are islolating you, it is the Turkish army with their "Green Line" and barbed wire fense. Why can't my relatives return to their homes and their lands? Why are illeagle settlers living in their homes? because of the Turk occupation army.
hartzia 2 years ago