Hey, excellent videos. I have one tip for you (I'm not sure if you presented this one):
When using the compass-cheek hold to sight a terrain feature, you can close the sighting lens down and it will lock the floating dial. It's a quick way to get your azimuth without having to keep sighted in.
@AManInTheArena I find it hard to get people to do this right. They tend to turn the compass as well. So, I'll show it in person, but tell the individual if they shouldn't be doing it like that.
Some other compasses like the M2 (Brunton Pocket Transit, pretty much) have manual access to the lock (it's a little button) for this exact purpose. I wish this did as well.
i just want to walk in the forest and out of the forest , can i not just use the arrows, in other words if i walk in east can i not just walk back out west?
Judging from onehitkills name and wording of the his question, sounds like he's confusing the mils on a compass for the way mils are used in order to measure distance or height in a long-range shooting capacity (or for leading a target and other things that have to do with height and distance)
@onehitkill Mil = Unit of Angle, your looking for the Azimuth on the ground for plotting on maps. (The azimuth is laying flat on ground in a triangulation) Mil-dot reticle-equipped scope, the distance to an object can be estimated with a fair degree of accuracy by a trained user by determining how many angular mils an object of known size subtends. (The azimuth is standing upright in a triangulation to determine distance.) Really confusing, just accept it. LOL
Cheap copy. Tritium ones are $90 new, but you want the $20-30 USGI surplus one. If you don't see it for that price, look harder or just keep looking. Sometimes there are none, then plenty of them three months later.
Something to mention here, is that each click of the graduation ring is 3 degrees. If you need to travel on an azimuth of 300 degrees… 300 / 3 = 100… turn the graduation ring 100 clicks counter clockwise, line up the north arrow and you are heading in the right direction. This works well in limited visibility…
@skiball2001 THREE?! I never could find anyplace it was referenced, no else knew what it meant, and just playing with it didn't reveal anything obvious. I was looking for things like 2, 5 and so on... Anyway, really good to know. Thanks!
@shoobe01 Yes thats correct, each click is 3 degree. I remember having read that some years ago, and thats correct. It is as an aid to set the compass in darkenss.
Thanks for the instruction. I worked as an avionicsman aboard a USCG aircraft, and learned to navigate via Loran C, INS, and Dead Reckoning. Never during that did I learn to use this type of compass. Thanks for taking the time.
@WoodlandParkBill Clearly you're the one that doesn't understand. Our military issued compasses have the tendency of technical malfunctions around metal objects. That is why he used as examples the rifle or whatever and the pen and the other little thing and he also mentioned the table. Now by placing it on the ground (since the ground is not made out of metal) it should make it most accurate.
@ 5:41 But isn't the ground...earth? Earth IS magnetic. That's the reason why we use a compass. So you're wrong the ground is magnetic. But I know what you mean..you meant a surface that doesn't disturb the compass needle from "locking into" the ground/earth's magnetic field.
@The88Nomad Mmmm... not exactly. The center of the earth (we surmise) has a giant spinning molten nickel core which acts as a magnet. The very subtle field lines resulting from this are what we're detecting with a magnetic compass. But the dirt and rocks we can touch have nothing to do with that effect.
@shoobe01 I was talking about planet Earth as whole, what you just did there is dissect the earth and explain how the magnetic field arrises ( i.e from the Iron and Nickel core).....
@superlad900x Military compasses prices could be as follows depending where you live. The ones that you have to shine the flashlight and it will glow for about 5 minutes cost $45(in New York). The better ones that the lights are always glowing, but it's also radioactive and it will say it in the back, cost about $85 (in New York). You can find them in military stores where you see that they sell military uniforms or try to find them online. Either way, it's a tool that will last you a life time.
@vladimircezar Well, what else do you want to see? I sorta think I covered it all :) Also, I no longer have access to the elmo (so will have to buy one of my own when I next see it surplused cheap) and work out of town 5 days a week, so have less time now for /anything/ fun. But if there's a good idea, and I can do it, I will try.
Good video, i like this one too. You are great at teaching us simpletons how to use a compass. I laughed at the "artillery fire" part.. Great video once again.
Hmmmmm, no fix im afraid, the Nth strip is definately touching the glass when level, for one i can hear it tapping and secondly the etched line on the glass is so close to the dial that its this that is preventing the dial from being free to move. Its only when i push down the rear sight to lock that the dial levels out, when unlocked its so unlevel.
Im sending it back, hopefully i wont have any issues doing so, we will see.
thanx again for your help i might need more pulling this thing apart.
i just bought a cammenga lensatic, when the compass is opened and sitting flat on a table should the the floating needle be level? when i place mine flat on table the north is closer to the glass than south and seems to prevent it spinning free, i have to unlevel it for the needle to move, is this right?
@symodiezel It will be offset a bit, because of topics I discuss in the declination section. North is actually somewhat through the planet. It should, though, not drag on the glass. Is it a new compass or surplus? If surplus, you might need to disassemble it and make sure everything is spinning free and aligned right. Not too challenging, if you are so inclined.
@shoobe01 Hi man, this is a new compass/unused, i just tested it again, on a level cardboard box away from anything that could affect it. As i turn the body of the compass on this level surface the needle and disk turn but at certain points it sticks giving a false ready, it is only after i move compass out of level that the needle will show true reading up to 20 degrees difference, for map reading this is a pain as an unaccurate reading is given initially until i move compass off level.
@shoobe01 Ive done a 2nd test outside this time viewing through the sighting slot and can see the dial is very unlevel when looking down through the rear sight, so much so i can hear the Nth Magnetic strip tapping the glass while holding the compass as level as possible while the Sth strip is obviously dragging on the bottom. Can i fix this myself or do you suggest returning the compass? Thankyou for any help you can offer.
@symodiezel Your call, with the whole "new" thing. Might be easiest to return it. If you can't wait, or they are a pain, it may well be that the unlock is failing to work right.
Normally, the capsule is well built, but it's a rubber thing jammed into a hole, and stuff pushes on it. The locking mechanism (activated by the lens/sighting arm) can be dirty, or otherwise messed up. If used, especially, I'd say undo the screws and carefully remove, and inspect the mechanism, then reassemble and...
...see if it works then. I have disassmbled several of these, and it works. For exactly this symptom. Possible diagnosis is to try slowing observing how the lock mechanism affects the magnetic disk. If it seems to be the same manner of dragging, that is likely it.
@shoobe01 ... in one corner that the block sits against a small part of the paint is missing slightly flaked and i think this debris is preventing the block from fully dropping and therefore fully unlocking the dial, well im glad i found this as this is an easy fix, ill let you know how i go, but thanx alot for the info man, i appreciate it.
@shoobe01 Yes i think you are right, i thought bugger it im going to have a look, i carefully removed back to see how this thing works and the locking mechanism is a small white plastic block that is pushed down.....up when upside down, when the rear sight is pulled up to unlock i suspect the white block drops to release dial but mine seems a little tight, when i gently push the block i hear it click, i then turned over to look at dial at it seems more level, on closer inspection i noticed......
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How many say this guy is " Jeff Goldblum" In undercover.. LoL.
rmstudio 1 month ago
lol mine doesn't lock
iamoogabooga 4 months ago
what if i have a plastic one thats liquid dampened?
Wiichamp5 4 months ago
@Wiichamp5 wait nevermind im figuring it out, and i can ask my bro when he's home from iraq on the 19th. :)
Wiichamp5 4 months ago
@Wiichamp5 Check for other videos I have on using baseplate compasses.
shoobe01 4 months ago
Hey, excellent videos. I have one tip for you (I'm not sure if you presented this one):
When using the compass-cheek hold to sight a terrain feature, you can close the sighting lens down and it will lock the floating dial. It's a quick way to get your azimuth without having to keep sighted in.
Thanks for posting these videos!
AManInTheArena 4 months ago
@AManInTheArena I find it hard to get people to do this right. They tend to turn the compass as well. So, I'll show it in person, but tell the individual if they shouldn't be doing it like that.
Some other compasses like the M2 (Brunton Pocket Transit, pretty much) have manual access to the lock (it's a little button) for this exact purpose. I wish this did as well.
shoobe01 3 months ago
i just want to walk in the forest and out of the forest , can i not just use the arrows, in other words if i walk in east can i not just walk back out west?
adlerbr12 5 months ago
Judging from onehitkills name and wording of the his question, sounds like he's confusing the mils on a compass for the way mils are used in order to measure distance or height in a long-range shooting capacity (or for leading a target and other things that have to do with height and distance)
serebin 6 months ago
how do you figure out how far something is using mils?
onehitkill 7 months ago
@onehitkill Not following the question. Mils are angular measure. "Far" implies linear distance.
shoobe01 7 months ago
@onehitkill you can do triangulation, but it's not really direct, takes quite a bit of math.
PyroGuideToHappiness 5 months ago
@onehitkill Mil = Unit of Angle, your looking for the Azimuth on the ground for plotting on maps. (The azimuth is laying flat on ground in a triangulation) Mil-dot reticle-equipped scope, the distance to an object can be estimated with a fair degree of accuracy by a trained user by determining how many angular mils an object of known size subtends. (The azimuth is standing upright in a triangulation to determine distance.) Really confusing, just accept it. LOL
duane2072 5 months ago
Cheap copy. Tritium ones are $90 new, but you want the $20-30 USGI surplus one. If you don't see it for that price, look harder or just keep looking. Sometimes there are none, then plenty of them three months later.
shoobe01 7 months ago
How much does one of those cost? Ive seen them for 5.99 or 9.99 at a store, they were made of metal but they still could be a cheap copy.
440charger2 7 months ago
Thanks, man. I have a brand-X version but still basically the same. Hadn't a clue how to use it. Good deal!
kzintichmee 8 months ago
Many thanks for this guide, very informative, straight to the point and understandable.
LordAlwinTHC 8 months ago
THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT YOU ARE REALLY GOOD YOU DINT TTALK MUCH AND OYU EXPLAIN HO TO USE IT THANKS MR.FOR NOT TALKING MUCH AND ACTING RIGHT
pescadorjaime 9 months ago
junior185, I don't think you are responding to my comment. I didn't say anything about magnetic interference or the earth.
My Comment begins:
"Thanks for the instruction. I worked as an avionicsman aboard..."
I never said anything about what your comments reflect.. Perhaps you meant to respond to "The88Nomad"?
WoodlandParkBill 9 months ago
Something to mention here, is that each click of the graduation ring is 3 degrees. If you need to travel on an azimuth of 300 degrees… 300 / 3 = 100… turn the graduation ring 100 clicks counter clockwise, line up the north arrow and you are heading in the right direction. This works well in limited visibility…
By the way, You make a good instructor...
skiball2001 10 months ago
@skiball2001 THREE?! I never could find anyplace it was referenced, no else knew what it meant, and just playing with it didn't reveal anything obvious. I was looking for things like 2, 5 and so on... Anyway, really good to know. Thanks!
shoobe01 10 months ago
@shoobe01 Yes thats correct, each click is 3 degree. I remember having read that some years ago, and thats correct. It is as an aid to set the compass in darkenss.
Mateyhv1 7 months ago
Thanks for the instruction. I worked as an avionicsman aboard a USCG aircraft, and learned to navigate via Loran C, INS, and Dead Reckoning. Never during that did I learn to use this type of compass. Thanks for taking the time.
WoodlandParkBill 10 months ago
@WoodlandParkBill Clearly you're the one that doesn't understand. Our military issued compasses have the tendency of technical malfunctions around metal objects. That is why he used as examples the rifle or whatever and the pen and the other little thing and he also mentioned the table. Now by placing it on the ground (since the ground is not made out of metal) it should make it most accurate.
junior185 9 months ago
@ 5:41 But isn't the ground...earth? Earth IS magnetic. That's the reason why we use a compass. So you're wrong the ground is magnetic. But I know what you mean..you meant a surface that doesn't disturb the compass needle from "locking into" the ground/earth's magnetic field.
The88Nomad 11 months ago
@The88Nomad Mmmm... not exactly. The center of the earth (we surmise) has a giant spinning molten nickel core which acts as a magnet. The very subtle field lines resulting from this are what we're detecting with a magnetic compass. But the dirt and rocks we can touch have nothing to do with that effect.
shoobe01 11 months ago
@shoobe01 I was talking about planet Earth as whole, what you just did there is dissect the earth and explain how the magnetic field arrises ( i.e from the Iron and Nickel core).....
The88Nomad 11 months ago
how much are those and where can i get one
superlad900x 11 months ago
@superlad900x Cammenga.com
grappolidipalma 11 months ago
@superlad900x Military compasses prices could be as follows depending where you live. The ones that you have to shine the flashlight and it will glow for about 5 minutes cost $45(in New York). The better ones that the lights are always glowing, but it's also radioactive and it will say it in the back, cost about $85 (in New York). You can find them in military stores where you see that they sell military uniforms or try to find them online. Either way, it's a tool that will last you a life time.
junior185 9 months ago
thanks!
CarissimiRBeast 11 months ago
Excellent videos thanks v much! I understand how to sight my compass properly now. Appreciate the time taken and detail included.
MadeleineAndrews 1 year ago
now I know how to use my own compass. thank you very much! that's a very useful video for anyone planing to go on a mountain trip or in the woods.
wcvbw 1 year ago
Awesome video. Keep them coming, please.
vladimircezar 1 year ago
@vladimircezar Well, what else do you want to see? I sorta think I covered it all :) Also, I no longer have access to the elmo (so will have to buy one of my own when I next see it surplused cheap) and work out of town 5 days a week, so have less time now for /anything/ fun. But if there's a good idea, and I can do it, I will try.
shoobe01 1 year ago
Good video, i like this one too. You are great at teaching us simpletons how to use a compass. I laughed at the "artillery fire" part.. Great video once again.
buttercow12 1 year ago
Excellent videos.
Good information, well presented.
Thank you for sharing them.
reachoutandtouchme 1 year ago
A random question. How can the average user of this compass use the milliradians?
10karhu 1 year ago
@10karhu Not sure I get the question. Just.... use them?
shoobe01 1 year ago
Extremely informative and useful. Thanks for taking the time to create and post both of the videos.
traveIer 1 year ago
Hmmmmm, no fix im afraid, the Nth strip is definately touching the glass when level, for one i can hear it tapping and secondly the etched line on the glass is so close to the dial that its this that is preventing the dial from being free to move. Its only when i push down the rear sight to lock that the dial levels out, when unlocked its so unlevel.
Im sending it back, hopefully i wont have any issues doing so, we will see.
thanx again for your help i might need more pulling this thing apart.
symodiezel 1 year ago
Compass is a 3H Cammenga NSN 6605-01-196-6971 U.S
symodiezel 1 year ago
i just bought a cammenga lensatic, when the compass is opened and sitting flat on a table should the the floating needle be level? when i place mine flat on table the north is closer to the glass than south and seems to prevent it spinning free, i have to unlevel it for the needle to move, is this right?
symodiezel 1 year ago
@symodiezel It will be offset a bit, because of topics I discuss in the declination section. North is actually somewhat through the planet. It should, though, not drag on the glass. Is it a new compass or surplus? If surplus, you might need to disassemble it and make sure everything is spinning free and aligned right. Not too challenging, if you are so inclined.
shoobe01 1 year ago
@shoobe01 Hi man, this is a new compass/unused, i just tested it again, on a level cardboard box away from anything that could affect it. As i turn the body of the compass on this level surface the needle and disk turn but at certain points it sticks giving a false ready, it is only after i move compass out of level that the needle will show true reading up to 20 degrees difference, for map reading this is a pain as an unaccurate reading is given initially until i move compass off level.
symodiezel 1 year ago
@shoobe01 Ive done a 2nd test outside this time viewing through the sighting slot and can see the dial is very unlevel when looking down through the rear sight, so much so i can hear the Nth Magnetic strip tapping the glass while holding the compass as level as possible while the Sth strip is obviously dragging on the bottom. Can i fix this myself or do you suggest returning the compass? Thankyou for any help you can offer.
symodiezel 1 year ago
@symodiezel Your call, with the whole "new" thing. Might be easiest to return it. If you can't wait, or they are a pain, it may well be that the unlock is failing to work right.
Normally, the capsule is well built, but it's a rubber thing jammed into a hole, and stuff pushes on it. The locking mechanism (activated by the lens/sighting arm) can be dirty, or otherwise messed up. If used, especially, I'd say undo the screws and carefully remove, and inspect the mechanism, then reassemble and...
shoobe01 1 year ago
...see if it works then. I have disassmbled several of these, and it works. For exactly this symptom. Possible diagnosis is to try slowing observing how the lock mechanism affects the magnetic disk. If it seems to be the same manner of dragging, that is likely it.
shoobe01 1 year ago
@shoobe01 ... in one corner that the block sits against a small part of the paint is missing slightly flaked and i think this debris is preventing the block from fully dropping and therefore fully unlocking the dial, well im glad i found this as this is an easy fix, ill let you know how i go, but thanx alot for the info man, i appreciate it.
symodiezel 1 year ago
@shoobe01 Yes i think you are right, i thought bugger it im going to have a look, i carefully removed back to see how this thing works and the locking mechanism is a small white plastic block that is pushed down.....up when upside down, when the rear sight is pulled up to unlock i suspect the white block drops to release dial but mine seems a little tight, when i gently push the block i hear it click, i then turned over to look at dial at it seems more level, on closer inspection i noticed......
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symodiezel 1 year ago
Great review/tutorial. Thank You!
TangoTracker223 1 year ago
thank you for taking the time to explain the compass.. :0)
snowbal1776 1 year ago
that is a sweet compass, i need to get a new Brunton like that!
jjlwis 1 year ago
Thanks for these two great videos.
mharrigfeld 1 year ago
Information dense presentation. Very good
tiggerr42431 1 year ago
Very informative series of videos, thanks for sharing!
Btw- has anyone told you that you sound like Jeff Goldblum? ; )
macjmillsx 1 year ago 8
actonbath 1 year ago
well done!
c9ari 1 year ago
and nice staedler led holder
bnel890 1 year ago
thanks for this video, always wondered how to use the compass that i have
bnel890 1 year ago
I have the S E Multi Function Compass (CC45-22B), I don't if this thing is working or am I using it wrong =[
J2Hoey 1 year ago
Wow very good
915speedstang 1 year ago
very good
bradreconairborne 1 year ago
Found your presentation to be very informative. Thank you much!
TheLuciano55 1 year ago
This is information what i`m looking for! Thank You
zoklaslodze 2 years ago
:( i still dont understand compasses lol
atr72500 2 years ago
thank you sir! very informative!
tabutog 2 years ago 5
Thank you for taking the time to show us the tricks of these compasses!
chargerboy69 2 years ago 2
How do i position myself on a map and how to give coordinates/ position of something on the land???
SthealthRaider 2 years ago 2
Thank you. This was a great video! You should do one on maps and gps. Great job!!!
scottg232 2 years ago 2