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  • i have no elbows

  • scat porn

  • timber and bricks

  • my willy is lost in luxembourg

  • ITS TOO LATE!!!!!! NOESSSSSSSS

  • Amazing how even we are change Ireland are so innocent not awakened people

  • For the European Union! The time of the colonies are over a united Europe is the only way to keep our world domination. We shaped the world, we are the best Mankind has to offer. I will vote yes! FROM DENMARK!

  • @sender24 What are you talking about, the E.U is merely a usurping moloch without any dignity and respect for the history of jurisdiction and geopolitical reality. According to current progosis the original ethnic West-Europeans will become a minority in the land of their ancestors in the year 2090. It seems our injurious politicians have abolished our historical borders, and our lands are open for everyone to come. It obviously makes perfect sense to stimulate overpopulation and criminal uprise

  • Fight for your Freedom people , fight for your countries sovereignty , fight , fight , fight !!!!!!!!!

    For now we will fight for our freedoms with courts , the laws and informing the public .

  • Mark 3: And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand, And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end!--his kingdom/govt-will never last-his day's are coming to a close, sooner than what we think.

  • My dear Irish friends they voted yes...very sadly and I'm sorry ...this American sure can see your plight but sadly this is going to effect everyone we are in the last days believe it or not and this whole thing is leading to world government! It makes me sick but it was foretold many, many yrs. ago.  It's happening here too, Obama is a socialist incognito!

    Prayers to you from America!

  • i am sorry to announce that the beautiful republic of ireland HAS BEEN DESTROYED!! OVERTHROWN!! DEPOSED!! WE THE IRISH PEOPLE have decided to give up our liberty, our sovereingty and our freedom!! the coup by the EU OLIGARCHS HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED!! the yes vote for the lisbon treaty has won!! freedom has been lost, we are no longer a soveriegn nation!! merely a province in a EUROPEAN EMPIRE!! AS JOSE BARRASSO has stated!! we the irish people have lost our nation, WE ARE AT THE MERCY OF THE NWO!

  • NO vote = we are still in the EU, like we are now, and the EU must be more accountable to the people of Europe. It stops the runaway power of the EU parliament and its gravy train expenses.

    YES vote = no way back, we can't undo mistakes made in the treaty or the EU, our say in EU is halved. Some countries say is doubled.

    The mature thing is to stand up and tell EU to correct the problems, not to give in to the accusing tut-tutting of EU politicians trying to tell us we should be embarrassed.

  • Declan ganley, an irish american with deep links to the USA military suddenly returns to Ireland to out spend the major political parties in his support for a no vote. open your eyes, he is being funded by the US government to keep europe weak and divided

  • An Irish-American with a British accent. What a monster. We should all vote YES because of this monster wolf.

  • its funny how the euro nazi's are sending in unelected bureacrats to push the yes vote. but you don't complain about that!!!

    are you a euro nazi????

  • Actually Europeshope he had a French accent in part ! A Frenchman speaking against their invention. Surely we want to hear more frm him

  • are you a euro nazi????

    VOTE NO TO THE EURO NAZI DEATH CAMPS!!!!

  • my god people of ireland please vote no all we are doing again is baling out the banks and the government its time we stand up and say no,we are been scared into voteing yes people our own government dont care about us the people just money its always the same.we have a new young IRA and a bomb that is going to be used i would say lisbon has alot to do with this,the rich will be fine its the low class will feel it for years to come,so god help us and vote no

  • IS THIS OUR LAST VOTE????

    VOTE NO !!

  • i hope we will all vote no we would be killing irish people me one of them by voteing yes

  • VOTE NO 2 LISBON 2!

  • Imagine a nightmarish Europe where police can verbally & physically abuse you & your family without fear of prosecution.

    Europol officers are IMMUNE from prosecution for anything they DO OR SAY !

    Even IF you could complain, your own courts are subservient to the EU court in Strasbourg (except in Germany) so you'd be wasting your time !

    Say NO to the EU Big Brother state !

    No to the EU para-military (European Gendarmerie Force) !

    No to Europol immunity !

    Yes to Europe but No2Lisbon2 !

  • A RESOUNDING NO VOTE TO LIS/CON 2

  • Vote No!

  • LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!

    Don't let the cloud of EUROPEAN FASCISM cover the whole of Ireland. Stand up against the imperialist bastards who just want to control Ireland as inefficiently as they have the rest of Europe! We deserve better!

    The republic will live forever if u vote NO!

    Please vote NO.

  • Ireland Vote NO if you want to keep your own constitution,habeaus corpus,your own parliament and own laws and your OWN police on the streets (google the EU's own para-military : European Gendarmerie Force).

    Vote NO for the Dutch and French and millions of decent law-abiding Europeans like me denied a say on the out-sourcing of democracy.

    Say NO to an imposed new "citizenship" no one asked you if you wanted.

    Say NO to being governed by an un-elected foreign "commission".

    Google : No2Lisbon2

  • NO FUKIN WAY TO LISBON...Fuck Off Lisbon-The Irish dont want you

  • Neither do we !

    75% of Europeans wanted to vote on any new treaty transferring more power to the EU (Open EUROPE figures),...they were denied the right by an un-elected commission of millionares and a "parliament" that is un-democratic and pretends to represent an imaginary "European citizen".

    Google : No2Lisbon2, European Gendarmerie Force, EU Corpus Juris, European Arrest Warrant.

    Why are Europol officers immune to prosecution for everything they do AND say ?

  • The 5,000 strong EUROPEAN GENDARMERIE FORCE (EGF) is patiently waiting for the Lisbon treaty to be ratified.

    It will be "first and foremost at the disposal of the EU" and deployed across Europe (also U.K) for "crisis management operations" ( i.e. demonstrations and riots ).

    They come from Rumania,Italy,Spain,France,Hol­land & Portugal with Turkish « observers ». All wear a badge with a grey flaming grenade & sword .

    This EU Para-Military unit is heavily armed.

    Google their website !

  • so say the troubles were to flare up again in the north, we wouldnt just be dealing with british troops there'd be these guys too?

  • You are right ! The EGD will be allowed to operate anywhere in the EU after Lisbon has been ratified (with the exeption of Germany thanks to our Constitutional Court's recent ruling).

    For more information go to No2Lisbon2 and Pana (Ireland).

  • we here in Ireland voted no to Lisbon.. and hopefully vote no again.. why? because we are supposed to be democratic yet when we vote we are treated like idiots... so they try again to brainwash us to vote yes. I personally do not want part of this dictatorship. The Lisbon Treaty and it's 'greatness' can go fuck off!

  • Its gonna be passed. Things like this always do. Say no the first time, chnage a few things, say yes the 2nd time.

    THE CAKE IS A LIE!!

  • Irish friends!! We didn't have the luxury to have a vote in Denmark.. We keep our fingers crossed!! PLEASE VOTE NO!!! NO NO NO!

  • We must vote NO again when the second referendum comes round.The Irish corporate controlled media is running polls saying the majority are for it.Thats absolute rubbish everyone i talked to voted NO.Our democracy is well gone.

  • The goals that motivate the formation of a centralized EU are the same as those that motivated Adolf Hitler. Totalitarianism. Plain and simple. It couldn't come by the sword, so the tyrants are trying to win it with the pen.

  • European citizens are not prepared to give up their autonomy only to be told how to live their lives by a small group of un-elected,unacountable,pamper­ed and permanent `commissioners´

    `Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact ?´ (Jean-Claude Juncker,3 July 07).

    Vote EU sceptic & restore real democracy in Europe before it is gone for ever.

    No to Lisbon,an EU Army and re-armament !

  • and leave everyone else to deal with the shit?

  • It is really difficult to take anyone seriously when they don't even have a camera tripod. You are making me feel seasick just watching the thing....the sound is shite too.

    I'll go elsewhere for my information thanks.

  • these things must come to pass before the return of Lord Jesus....

    "seek and you shall find"

  • Please. Please. Please. Do NOT vote in favor of that treason. Give us, Belgians who are against, a voice. VOTE NO

  • Well done...

    I watched the whole film at wiseupjournal[dot]com/?p=173

    Between Sarkosy (the NWO task master on a mission) & Bertie Ahern selling our Ireland,

    you know something is terribly wrong when your politicians sell your country & culture out. Treason & Tryanny. Must be stopped showing true plans of NWO.

    I think Ireland won round 2, but there will be a round 3 in 2010.

  • we salute you ireland,fight the nwo

  • Thank God for Ireland and their NO vote.

  • its about time it started raining molotov cocktails on downing street.

  • definately.

  • To take the figures & provide the FACTS

    The EU Constitution/Lisbon Treaty must by its own LAWS be RATified by all 27 member regions.

    So far 19 Nations have surrendered to the RATification

    that's 19 countries or 5000 politicians!

    France with a population of 64,473,140

    Netherlands with a population of 16,428,071

    & Ireland with a population of 4,339,000

    EACH by a majority voted NO

    In Democratic terms 85M to 5,000 AGAINST

    The EU has no mandate - is it then a dictatorship?

  • The latest news appears to be that the Irish are going to have to vote on this issue again. The "No" vote is not going to be accepted. In the Eurokrats eyes it is seen as 'undemocratic'.

  • "End of Nations - EU Takeover & the Lisbon Treaty"

    Exaggerations! exaggerations people! There is nothing like that..

  • Fuk this lesbian treaty , that fuking jew the president of EU is fuking controlong our laws that meens us . Did you ever heard about 1 litle book about jewish cospiracy ? Read that , and you will find out that all jews already taking over the world . EU will be world government , Here you are , jews again . They want to make money from every Irish person . They dont ask us do we want this lesbo treaty , the force us in a friendly way . You c , jews never fight , they go arount the mountain .

  • Smiley why don't you save your attacks for venomfangx then go watch your superhero TommyFromtheBronx or thunderf00t to get some inspiration. Add a few Dawkins videos to your fav's and call yourself an intellectual. And you are a coward now once again get lost!

  • Now stop sending me pm's Smiley you Godless Scumbag.....revelation....cons­piracy??? You are clearly deluded and possibly slightly deranged! In short a Tosser.

    No to Lisbon!

  • My information from politics tells me WE WERE PROMISED A REFERENDUM IN THE UK BY LABOUR IN THEIR LAST ELECTION MANIFESTO and yet OUR RIGHT TO A REFERENDUM VOTE HAS BEEN DENIED, isn't that called lying to the people who elected you, some call it treason to sign our sovereignty away. Playing the dictator card already. All member states should have a referendum instead of being silenced into submission!

    THE European Commission is UNACCOUNTABLE to anyone, not directly ELECTED by anyone at all.

  • Hey Smiley as I said grow some balls you cowardly Gobshite....do you use youtube strictly to contact people unsolicited....tosser!

    No to Lisbon and No to Tossers like you!

  • "Cowardly Gobshite"? I don't even know what Gobshite means, but I know I'm not a coward. You're the ignorant and paranoid fool who believe everything that Eurosceptics tell you to believe. You're no better than the crazed people who believe what the Doomsday prophets on the streets say.

  • Smiley you are a cowardly Bastard....you believe you have the right to attack people for their religious beliefs. Thank God it was a No Vote. Oh and the contents of my channel are none of your business. Euroskeptic??? DFon't make me laugh you Tosser!

  • lol even if the Lisbon treaty is dead, the European Union still exists and still carrys on fuctioning on its current treaties. People are acting like the EU is dead but its far from it. Many other nations have already passed it through. The EU can easily carry on functioning on its current treaties, it already has most of it in force already, like High representativ, foreign policy etc. Eurosceptics live in your little dream world lol.

  • In reply to 0eternalreturn0, no NATION has 'passed it through' yet: only 18 parliaments, elected on completely different domestic issues and without a mandate to make this decision for their people. If Lisbon Treaty is such a good idea, why won't they let the people vote? We need good trading agreements with our much-loved neighbours plus no political interference with internal affairs. Will it take another May 1968 before the idiots remember that they serve us and not the other way round?

  • Yeehah let the party begin! They can stick that Lisbon treaty up their ass....IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY

  • Ignorant asshole.

  • Thank you,

    We love you all !

    Big big kiss !

    VIVA IRELAND !

  • If the The Lisbon Treaty is passed:

    The larger states will have the most power

    we the people will have no real vote

    EU unelected officials have no accountability in certain circumstances it endorses the death penalty

    the eu's justice system will have overriding power as it sees fit & incorporates

    no trial by jury

    no habeas corpus WHICH MEANS a citizen can be arrested WITHOUT CHARGE

    guilty until proven innocent

    (which we all know is the complete opposite of our law )

    Go Ireland GO GO GO

  • do somthing ireland dont enslave yourselves. you will be miserable for ever if you dont.

  • Where do you get this mindless shit from?

  • Hey Smiley grow up ya Tosser....it's a great result!

  • You're the one who needs to grow a pair and not be persuaded by conspiracy videos on YouTube. "9/10 - Reveleation?" HAH

  • HEY SMILEY.. were did you get your lobotomy done..?

    While you're tryna remember you can kiss my beautiful ass!

    80 PER CENT OF OUR LAWS are now made in Brussels, and our Parliament has no power to reject or amend them.

    The EU Dictatorship is FORCING It's will on the people,

    while our right to a vote has been stolen!!

    The UK must demand a REFERENDUM!

  • THE LISBON TREATY WOULD ALLOW NATIONAL PARLIAMENTS TO REJECT LAWS! Talking to you people is like talking to close-minded religious fanatics who despise everything scientific - only you despise anything EU, even if it's positive, just as the Lisbon treaty was. How about getting you information about politics from other places than the local pub and the Farmers' Union?

  • 80 per cent of our laws are now made in Brussels, and Parliament has no power to reject or amend them...

    Go Ireland Go ..For it

    This is the Big One

    give it your best shot

    NOW is the time to TAKE.. that Lisbon Treaty

    OUT

  • "Basically, we have reason to believe that Habeas Corpus is not going to exist if this Treaty is going to be brought through."

    Yeah right.

    Also interesting to see how the video highlights "lawyers, politicians and bankers" as some sort of pariahs and then has the hypocrisy to compare the EU to a Hitlerian style regime. This video resembles the old propagandist videos made by Hitler. And Bonde, Coughlan and Synnott are not the kind of people I'd like to share a bed with.

  • Save us,

    Say NO to this fucking treaty !

  • Yeah thats a very intelligent and eleqently put plea to the undecided voter.

  • You're absolutely right

    And I apology ...

    It was a heart cry

    I'm not so fluent in english

    To explain how the EU is going to be an awful dictatorship.

  • So let Sir Bukowsky Vladimir

    Tell us what he thinks of it.

    In search enter « Union Européenne, le nouveau système soviétique »

  • IRELAND SAYS NO!!!!!!

  • Fuck the Illuminati, the New world order and Fuck this Lisbon Sham....use common sense and see through this Bullshit treaty....NO TO lISBON! Death to the NWO! Vote No!

    Prescott Bush funded Hitler

  • I am sorry to think that this will get passed in Ireland, we always have a way about voting wrong, there is a lot of rich fat cats out there who will benifit in the short term but like us all will pay dearly in the end. I hope i am wrong.

  • would suggest to all that are against the Lisbon treaty to post this video to all their e mail contacts and let them see what is really happening and how important is to give the rest of Europe a chance for a referendum

  • damn, this is scary stuff. Ireland please for the love of democracy VOTE NO!

  • Once this treaty is pushed through, there is no going back!! They are pushing it through without considering our votes??? Is this the new EU democratic state that we want to be apart of?? Dont get me wrong i am pro EU but not this way.

    This is the biggest decision ever made by each individual country in the E.U and the people should have the right to vote on this treaty.

    I rather be poor Bulgarian then part of corporate E.U that have no respect for people democratic choices.

  • The full video is available on GOOGLE.

    Vote NO!

    The diseases being imported to Britain everyday are an epidemic waiting to happen.

    NO health checks whatsoever are carried out on immigrants coming to the UK.

    Children now are required to have 30 immunizations before attending school!

    OUR hospitals now have TEN times the rate of C Dificile and MRSA than ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!

    ANY!

    The dirtiest most Dangerous hospitals in the WORLD!

    Labour, tory liberal and the multikult are responsible.

  • "No5eyparker", you seem to be the only one making statements in favor for this travesty of a treaty.

    Copy and paste the following in youtube search: EU Parliament manipulated Time for Global Disorder

    How do you account for this factual video and what is said against the treaty by high educated people during the vote?

    EU and the NAU are nothing more than the destruction of sovernty and the free will of the people. Corporate elites final plan and we are letting it happen. FIGHT THEM.

  • Piss off Pom!

  • It's cause he's a frustrated american with no fukin culter

  • This is the reason they are trying so hard to take away American firearms. What the NWO does not realize is that GUNS are considered part of the American soul, and we CAN & will fight for every inch of OUR soil against the NAU... and we have much more firepower than 200 years ago.

    The NWO knows all to well how bloody it will be when they try to steal U.S. Constitution, and how much true Americans will enjoy the blood shed to save it. BTW, NWO, your only friend Bush will be voted out soon.

  • This is typical hysterical propaganda.

    All the No arguments are either based on out and out lies, or the same old 'buzz' issues that have NOTHING to do with the Lisbon treaty.

    Don't let something as clearly biased and irresponsible as this video influence how you vote, read up on the details of the treaty from someone without an agenda.

  • If anything's Orwellian it's this piece of shameless propaganda.

    What does it matter if they kept 98% of the former european constitution? They removed the offending bits!

    End of the Irish Constitution?? Ridiculous.

    ctd...

  • E.U.=  George Orwell's "big brother" government!

  • DON'T VOTE FOR THE LISBON TREATY - Bertie resigned because he didn't do enough to persuade voters to vote FOR the lisbon treaty - the lisbon treaty is about turning Europe into the world Hitler dreamed of 70 years ago - one big prison planet - centralised banking and centralised control from un-elected dictators in Brussels - the Lisbon treaty is the end of true democracy and will remove all your rights. For the love of all that is good don't dare vote for the lisbon treaty!

  • VenetianLion sez: "...or do you just get your informations from newspapaers?"

    LOL. ;D

  • that crappy music is a distraction

    can't hear the damn words!

  • HI nunoquadros is this all you do all day, spamming peoples videos, when your not masturbating in front of pictures of barruso:)

  • Do you consider yourself democrat?

    so why do you delete my video answers?

  • Do you considere yourself democrat?

    so why do tou delete my video answers?

  • YES

  • Intelligent people will vote, because is a good treaty to make us strong Europeans and United in peace for the first time

  • Vote No!

    We are sleepwalking into a nightmare EU State that may well become a police state.

    I believe in the EU as it stands but not this Treaty.

    Please volunteer:

    join libertas. org, voteno. ie, lisbonvote. com

  • READ ARTICLE 49 - YOU MAY OPT OUT OF E.U

  • REFERENDUM TO IRISH CONSTITUTION ?

  • music is too loud. didnt hear alot of it.

  • Mentioning Hitler, as this video does: The thing about Hitler is that he came to power DEMOCRATICALLY, in spite of his unseemly band of brown-shirted hooligans. He needed a MAJORITY vote to make him a dictator.

    Fascists are alot more civilized now. They seldom have to send goons in the streets anymore to promote fear.

    Fear is consumed willing now.

  • Mentioning Hitler, as this video does: The thing about Hitler is that he came to power DEMOCRATICALLY, in spite of his unseemly band of brown-shirted band of hooligans. He needed a MAJORITY vote to make him a dictator.

    Fascists are alot more civilized now. They seldom have to seen goons in the streets anymore to promote fear.

    Fear is consumed willing now.

  • This post is retarded in so many ways. Hitler did not get in to power Democratically. Read your history books.

  • He actually did, but then he took care of the Reichstag in order to implement Martial Law. Read your history books.

  • He came to power in a democratic state, but he did not use democratic means to get in to power. You are retarded. He made sure the opposition didn't get to vote. Not very democratic.

    He forced his way in to power.

  • Well, they did a good job witl 9/11, 7/7 and the Madrid bombings in order for anti-freedom (oops, I meant antiterrorist) laws to be passed. Now they did it merely by stealth. Our leaders knew what they signed every step of the way, and the media kept (and still keep) us blind. God bless the internet

  • Good luck Eire - Get the truth about oppression and the denial of democracy that is the centralised EU to enough people to vote NO & regain your liberty.

    Membership of the EU has been a catastrophy for Eire raising hopes and provided a brief boom just to be used as a bribe to dupe the British. The EU now has little more chance of feeding iteslf without import than Eire had in the hungry 40s. The wars of disassociation are coming sooner rather than later and will be hideous - Vote NO leave NOW.

  • ok!

  • I cant say I like the editing (the dramatic music) but I will definitely watch this and forward it to whoever will listen. Good work.

  • There is now an online petition asking the Queen of the UK to deny Royal assent to the Lisbon Treaty; this would mean it could not become law in the UK and would therefore fail. Just google "queen petition lisbon treaty."

  • You set out to make a documentary eh? I suggest you go back to school and learn about objectivity and journalistic integrity. That video is nothing but unsubstantiated drivel by fanatic eurosceptics.

  • Perhaps they could learn some objectivity from you because you've already made up your mind without seeing the documentary. Or how about the eulites who don't want the people to have a say in this treaty, is that objectivity?

  • Oh I saw it, you travelled around quoting people who are against it, yet the arguments that favour The Lisbon Treaty are shining with their absence. Objective reporting my ass. This video is nothing but one sided sound bites which are about as open to debate as a bag of bricks. Calling it a documentary is ludicrous.

  • Well I don't know of any arguments for this treaty except the one minute soundbites from the politicians telling us how wonderful the eu is. If you can't see it's true nature then you're asleep and brainwashed. Go back to sleep and leave the reporting to people who can look beyond the programming.

  • There is nothing democratic about the EU. You know this but you still spew out you EU propaganda. All the people of euroland have had nothing but lies and misinformation based on a policy of hiding the truth. You talk about what's "open to debate", you people are scared of allowing the people to debate the EU, that's why the Irish vote is scaring you all. I predict that if the Irish vote NO the EU thugs will try to ignore it, or force the Irish to have another vote. Reminds me of Zimbabwe!

  • Oh please lmao.

    People in EU countries democratically elect a leader and government to run their country. Government ministers sit at the council of ministers (European union council) to agree on policy

    European citizens from each country elect MEPs who represent them at the European Parliament.

    The MEPs and the elected governments of each EU country go on to decide who becomes the president of the European Commission which acts alot like the civil service.

    The EU is not that undemocratic

  • You obviously do not understand how the EU works. Instead of you going about it from the bottom up, I will explain that it works from the top down: 12 or 13 unelected (its called the politburo) burocrats (the powerful) decide on the directives. The EU parliment discuse the directives (they have 60 seconds each) and pass them. Thats it! The only purpose of our so called goverments in London or Dublin is to rubber stamp what the EU tell them. Nobody we elect can changes anything. Democracy my arse

  • If the 12 or 13 unelected Bureaucrats you are talking about are the EU commissioners then how can you miss out the valid point that the MEPs and the national governments select who becomes the president of the EU commission and approve their team in the first place.

    In the USA people elect Senators, Congressmen and a President. The President decides who he wants running big departments (defense etc) and then congress approves them. This is a very similiar practice.

  • Not enough people bother to vote in the european elections to justify passing on more decisions to the voters but i accept the EU should be far more open.

    As soon as you suggest having the President of the EU commission elected by voters across the EU you are moving far quicker towards the federal United States of Europe some dream of.

    At the moment the MEPS and governments are the elected representitives not the EU commission who with such backing would be even more powerful than it is now

  • Is that why France and the Netherlands signed it? Because their people voted no on the EU Constitution aka 98% of Lisbon Treaty? Is that why the EU parliament on the 20th of Feb voted not to respect Ireland's referendum? That vote was not legally binding by the way, it's just a deceitful tactic. Your propaganda is so ludicrous you might as well have gone all they way and said, "The Lisbon Treaty will bring peace on Earth".

  • its approx. 80%.

    Referendum has a point only if there is well informed population. Directly voted parliament already voted yes to Lisbon. It would undemocratic if ireland would over-voted majority of europeans in parliament. If you dont like it, vote for someone else.

  • How would this be undemocratic? Please learn about constituency in democracy. No citizen of a European nation is a constituent to another. A German can not vote for the England head of the state. An English cant vote for a dutch head of the state. Why? Because of constituency. This silly line brings that China voting for entering the EU should happen because they would collect more votes than the rest of the European nations.

  • Nothing prevents you from supporting the EU integration by sticking to the facts: the way the treaty is passed is not democratic.

    Read:How would this be not undemocratic?

  • In the first place you should read my comment again. I wont answer question I have already answered in my first comment.

  • I read them, mind you.

    It might not have reached your brain yet but speaking of giving more power to the People (which one by the way since there is no European people, but european peoples?) through an undemocratic procedure is somehow fallacious.

    This is what I wrote about: an elite knowing better what is better for the base than the base itself. According to you, the base is so dumb it can not figure out this treaty will give it more power.If the base is so dumb, more power to it is danger

  • Maybe it didnt reached your brain: "I dislike the way how it pushed thru EU too" from my comment.Accoridng to me? Dont put your words to my mouth. - look what I wrote in the first place, then think and after that you will hopefuly reallize that you are commenting something what have never been told here.

  • I commented this part "Referendum has a point only if there is well informed population. Directly voted parliament already voted yes to Lisbon. It would undemocratic if ireland would over-voted majority of europeans in parliament. If you dont like it, vote for someone else. "

    Feel free to act as it has never been told here.

  • Yea, and its all true. Absolute majority doesnt care about politics or EU. They believe what they are told. How good working is democracy, where the truth is linked to people by parties with rich members? I call this tyranny of democracy. It is extremely easy to manipulate by people opinion. All you need is money. Just read "How to rig an election" from Allen Raymond to see how democratic the democracy really is.

  • That is great opinion showing deep contempt of the people. Perfectly fits with the elitism going on in the EU. And this:

    "VOTE FOR MORE POWER TO directly voted PARLIAMENT

    VOTE FOR LESS POWER TO unvoted COUNCIL AND COMMISSION.

    no matter whether pro-eu, or anti-eu. lisbon treaty will bring more power to people of europe!

    -the vote is not about loving or hating EU, its about more power to people!

    -I dislike the way how it pushed thru EU too, but Lisbon gives more power to you! So vote yes."

  • "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Goethe.

    There is no real democracy nowadays. If you believe you are free, I truly feel sorry for you. The power comes from people mind, and those minds are very easily manipulated.

  • Trying to project the issue on me is failing and will keep failing.

    It is all about the EU and facts.

    Is the EU democratic? No.

    What is its purpose? Already said etc...

  • Ooops! TheCZMan, I misunderstood your comment - sorry

    Peace out

  • 1) the effort was that not even MEPs could read this fucken treaty

    2) the composition of this text was purposely to obscure its reading on the part of anyone

    3) "constituency in democracy" The laws are written by an unelected EU Commission, and the MEPs aren't even allowed enough time to debate them, let alone do their own research. MEPs are given sheets with the votes Yes/No they have to give (!!!). TheCZMan wants to call this "democratic" -whatever.

  • Why did the French and the Dutch vote AGAINST the 'constitution'? Because they were better informed. They were probably the most pro-European of all member states, FFS! Yet you continue to spurt nonsense. "Sign, do not read" was the EU elite policy, yet RadekEU writes that the vote is only democratic if people vote yes. You have a screw loose, maybe it fell when you were watching TV

  • Jupiter, since I dont know what my comment you are discussing here.

    Though the fact you put your words to my mouth clearly shows your attitude to man's opinion.

  • RadekEU said: "Though the fact you put your words to my mouth clearly shows your attitude to man's opinion." Yet he said: "VOTE YES TO LISBON. (IRISH!) VOTE FOR MORE POWER TO directly voted PARLIAMENT

    VOTE FOR LESS POWER TO unvoted COUNCIL AND COMMISSION." Drink less vodka, or bother to read the Annexes to the Treaty, for you do have an attitude. You already said to 2 YTers that we "put your words to my mouth". How about improving your English, or your reading, or watching the whole docu?

  • - and what the point?

    - lol as soon as someone argue on my english I know certainly he has nothing better to say...its sad

    - why to read lisbon in english if it is in czech also? You are just scared your country will end. I dont.

  • I was complaining about your complaining. And this is just nonsense: "VOTE FOR LESS POWER TO unvoted COUNCIL AND COMMISSION = Lisbon Treaty." Viewers can find plenty of material searching "Jens-Peter Bonde" for one. RadekEU, funny you encourage Yes vote to the only country having a choice to decide. I repeat, Dutch and French citizens voted NO to the Constitution because they suddenly discovered what it was about, and are now denied their right to decide. EU Parliament = 7 lobbyists/MEP

  • - complain as you want, if it helps you

    - "Jens-Peter Bonde"?

    - I found it sad that some irish guys were misleaded on vote, the vote on lisbon simply is not vote on EU popularity. But due to latest survey the treaty is expected to pass. EU parliament is largest in world by its members, but the real army of lobbyists is in WashingtonDC. So its not so bad for now. As far as I know all lobbyists are registred...

  • RadekEU sez: "As far as I know all lobbyists are registred..."

    Man, haven't you learned anything about the world yet?

    "As far as I know..." has always been the smug, self-satisfied bleat of the sheeple being led to the slaughter.

    Sheesh! :D

  • A6-0013/2008

    B6-0073/2008

    B6-0076/2008

    20 feb 2008 - voted documents concerning Lisbon treaty & Lisbon strategy. I have not found a word about Irish vote not accountable!

  • Keep looking, search the net. Your are for democracy for the EU oligarchy not democracy for the people of Europe. Decent propaganda.

  • I already read important parts of treaty and précis. I am fully open to all relevant arguments. So I decently ask to write me point by point how will Lisbon T. harm europeans. Just little points, one sentence, what is bad about Lisbon.

  • That will be released this Tue the 4th of March. Our documentary END OF NATIONS.

  • I want definitely see that.

    Is it movie or utube video?

  • It is google video apparently. Now time to see the answers and the promised debate.

  • RadekEU sez: "just little points, one sentence, what is bad about Lisbon."

    just one word will do it: "FASCISM"

  • RadekEU sez: "lisbon treaty will bring more power to people of europe!"

    Oh, good grief. Yeah, right.

    And Santa Claus exists just for you, too. :D

  • The EU never has been, isn't now and never will be for the GOOD of the people. It always has been and will always be a JOB for the boys. "Power to people of europe" GET A LIFE!

  • If the EU is as corrupt and dangerous as you suggest then i want Britain inside the union so we can slow down their progress. We stand a better chance of fighting a new threat from within rather than alone on the outside with little influence

    Many EU nations have far better democracy than we do in Britain, indeed many of them are socialists but thats a good thing. Such people are less likely to war monger than the radical right wing parties across the EU

    EU is here to stay sorry

  • Read your history. Socialism, like communism, at any point in history, in any county has never worked. It has always failed, TOTALY. Today's socialist shout "but ours is democratic socialism". Democracy and socialism are like matter and antimatter, like opposing magnetic poles they cannot be used in the same sentence, it's like writing "Child friendly pedophiles".

    Like socialism the EU is a cancer, the only way to defeat it is to eradicate it from your body. Leave 1 little piece inside..