really kingbilgames, so people got fed to lions because they got tricked into thinking that was Jesus was the son of god, im pretty sure if your going to get eating by a lion for your saviour you are pretty sure that he is your savour am I correct ?
Restoring a severed ear The resurrection of Jesus Christ Catching of the 153 fish
Jesus walks on water
Healing of many in Gennesaret Healing a demon-possessed girl Healing a deaf man with a speech impediment Healing a mute man possessed by a demon Healing a man who was crippled for 38 years Feeding 5000 men and their families
What? You don't believe it can happen? Even without proof miracles abound. why the other day I saw the Pope cure a ham, and make a blind man lame, you better believe it sinner.
Born of a virgin Changing water into wine Healing of the royal official's son Healing of a man possessed by a demon in Capernaum Healing of Simon Peter's mother-in-law Healing the sick during the evening Catching a large number of fish
Healing a leper Healing a paralyzed man Healing a withered hand Raising a widow's son Calming the stormy sea Healing the Gerasene demon-possessed man Healing a woman with internal bleeding Raising Jairus' daughter Healing two blind men
One thing he said which creationists would contend is that if you ask why God is hidden? It would be in order for faith or belief to exist. You can't have faith if the thing you believe in is proved and in your midst.
@walkingphilosopher Dawkins = pseudo-scientist who has built a cult around his writings (and quasi-superstitious nonsense such as memes) and is a disgrace to all real atheist thinkers. And I'd never trust anyone who claims they are an ''atheist for Christ'' as it speaks badly on them. Christianity is not wrong because of the superstitious element, who cares about that, it is wrong due to the immoral teachings of ''Christ'', in which he commands brothers to hate brothers etc.
@kingbilgames Great enough that you know that Dawkins is a fraud. I applaud you for that,indeed a rarity on youtube. I myself was an atheist, and actually still am to a certain extent. I am also suspicious of oganized religion. But the only thing, I disagree with you is teaching of Christ is immoral (all?). I am open to the probability that several of his statements (please do not say all :) ) may not fit the present day development of moral so can you state where you strongest disagreement is?
@walkingphilosopher There are some good moral teachings from Christ (who might not have existed but have been an amalgamation of many) but I do not take exception to Luke 14:26-33, 2 John 9, 2 Corinthians 5, Revelation 14:10-11 and 21:8 but all of Revelation, 1 Peter 2:18, Titus 2:9-10, Mark 16:16, etc. Of course I take exception to almost all of the Old Testament too...
@kingbilgames I will not go through the reference to biblical passage because I myself do not adhere to any holy book. But its very clear that you are not part of the new atheist movement. I am a freethinker myself so I can relate to your position. :)
@kingbilgames PS: I'm not inviting you for further exchange of comments, but I think that you might want to check the histority of Jesus. According to wiki, Jesus' existence is now not disputed by the majority of reputable historians as evaluated by standard methology. I am not making the jump of conclusion that he is God, but simply that he really existed as a person. Makes no difference to me if Jesus is not God, but I'm simply stating the currently accepted position in history.
@walkingphilosopher If you do not want further exchanges of comments, don't reply then. And I do not care if most modern historians believe that Jesus existed because I do not, and any evidence for his existence as a living being is flimsy at best.
@kingbilgames ill give them jesus exsisted. doesnt mean he performed miracles. it would be like the crazy guy at the bus shelter talking gibberish but he just had followers, and there was no google back then so some people bought it
Im not too sure about thie idea that logic solves everything. I think that Dawkins is a brilliant scientist. However, he is a poor philosopher, and fails to understand that nature of any God (At least the ones he addresses in his book, The God Delusion.) he sets up God as an old (and straw) man sat on the clouds, ocassionaly granting people miracles when he wishes. he comprehensively fails to understand the nature of an infinite existence, as it would be necessary for a god to be.
I particularly like Dawkins table of 7 degrees of agnosticism. I think that is a logical way to get people to define their sense of probability of the concept of a supernatural creator, or not.
Neither ultimate cause nor purpose can be proven or falsified by empirical science.empirical science is not designed to detect or define a purpose. biological evolution can acknowledge no purpose but likewise it cannot contend that there is a purpose outside of a metaphysical conclusion that there is no God.science cannot offer access to God and can neither establish his existence nor falsify his existence. To deny God is not a scientific conclusion but one drawn from the LIMITATIONS of science
At 3:53, Mr. Dawkins begins by saying " I believe ". I find this to be a curious way for a man with his position. But, then he later reveals that on his self made scale of 1 to 7 he places himself as a 6, thus allowing he has enough confidence in himself to sell his opinion in a book but not enough confidence in his book to completely trust to his own opinions.
Atheists are self-proclaiming losers who deserve to return to nature. Face it, youre a worthless corpse. Why not shoot yourselves and quit wasting everyone valuable time.
@jplb96 Welcome God-Hater, and I’m happy to have an impact on your dismal view of yourself, and the world that you live in.Ask yourself this,”If you don’t believe in Jesus/God then what drives you to attack them?”
@Seigu007 no not really .I just find i somewhat upsetting that priests rabbis and so on would dedicate their lives to something that has and never will have any evidence and BTW quoting something from the bible doesnt count.I hate religion and am against it being a mandatory subject in school.I also do not attack jesus/god i at most say there is no evidence,I do not ask for evidence .
@jplb96 Though you have no education and are here simply because you hate God and would like to destroy theists is sadly telling.You are weak….very weak indeed and have no idea that your emotions do not substitute as science or fact. You’re not very believable, and have offered up no supportive evidence for your ridiculous claim.
@Seigu007 You questioning my intelligence is hilarious and I am very strong as most people wouldn't reply to someone blinded by faith as you ,I do not hate god as I don't believe he exists.It's like me saying i hate the invisible pink unicorn .Science is the way forward as is evolution not claiming a man who we have never seen or heard, has no proof or has and never will have evidence of him created the world.I can give you facts and figures but if you don't use common sense I can do nothing.
@jplb96 This may be the minor leagues dealing with a group of quote mining parrots in here but it nevertheless does keep my debating skills finely honed.
In other words you’re being used for my pleasure and academic recall,and nothing more.
@Seigu007 This comment is 6 days old, but i must congratulate you still, for your hilarious comments:D. Is it okay if I use your as an example in my school report? Just your comments ofcourse.
@Seigu007 Haha:), dont worry,illogical internet arguments are illogical. There's no point in arguing with you.I wont even type anything ill-intended. Just be happy Seigu007 'coolest name evah'. Be happy and good luck.
@Dubstepsanta1 I had to laugh at the sheer imbecility of that mess that you label a thought train and compulsive propensity to mispell the simplest of words.
@Seigu007 It must have been obvious that I am a child, and so it's quite natural for my sentences to not be perfect.Plus you cannot exepect everyone writing a comment on English to know it very well, or have it as an birth-language, you seem far more inteligent than that. So why would you want to throw complex words at someone who have trouble understanding them and still not include anything at all about what I asked you about. And on the internet too, where nobody gives a fuck anyway.
interesting, what dawkins is saying is if I were God the universe would not look like this. Oh and evolution doesnt happen. Just have a peek at the genetic code itself, there is no way that random mutagenesis can account for even one gene.
"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
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The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
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That's really the point of the invisible pink unicorn. Asides from simply being an analogy to ridiculous divine beings, it's ability to be both pink and invisible is an analogy of the all powerfull-paradox.
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tell us where it all started dawkins. from the very start. ......... now before that.... and before that.....? cant get water from a stone. but u can get a universe from nothing? good science old chap.
@4488ization lol you do know that "God" created the universe out of nothing right? Science cant answer everything but at least it progresses, just because there is no answer now does not mean that there will never be an answer on the other hand religion continues with the same bullshit and it never changes
@SSjLuigi1 you sir are an idiot ,the bible it clearly 100% fact ,as it was written by men 2000 years who have no idea of how science and evolution works.And clearly states it is gods word which did I mention means it is 100% true.(sarcasm)
@4488ization That's not his point, you're addressing a completely different question. The Athiest/Thiest debate concerns whether a divine god EXISTS. You cannot seriously pretend that you have any authority to discount science based on its incapability to answer a complex and seemingly impossible question? What does your argument offer? "My god told me in this book how life started therefore it is true?". If I present YOU with a question you cannot answer does that invalidate your argument? No.
do you want me to provide you with evidence that shows a cup is both half full .... any evidence i give you you could say it proves the cup is half empty... it comes down to you being able to look at the evidence the right way... which your not.
everything is the evidence but your objectifying the unified being that is everything into objects, individuals just like i could objectify your body in parts cells etc and deny your bodies existence
@topbluffa1 Sorry, but no. A claim must be substantiated with a sufficient amount of evidence to satiate what it presents. If you can't do that, there is no reason to believe what it is you claim.
so my point is god does not have to come from something because there is no such thing as "coming from something" because this means creation and creation is disproved by the law of conservation which proves that energy/matter can only ever be converted but never created/destroyed.
God created everything ! Wow,that makes so much sense.........................but who created God? Personally, "just happened" makes much more sense to me!
I don't see how God starting everything preempts evolution, rather supports it. "Just happend" doesn't take into account any natural laws and is totally in oposition to "all the beauty the complexity, and the elegance that we see around us evolved by slow gradual incremental degrees" < HOW IS THAT JUST HAPPENED??? This guy's cheese slid of his ever lovin' CRAKCER!
@shizzleman8 To me; an Atheist is an Alien who lands in the Luvre; looks at the Mona Lisa and concludes: “Yes, it’s complex, meaningful and beautiful—with intelligent/purposeful design; but that doesn't mean an intelligent artist created it! This painting (and the museum that houses it) was formed by nothing more than random, natural forces that just happen to collide. Any ascertain to the ilk is an improbable absurdity (like fairies and unicorns).”
@mdstalla I don't get this fascination with unicorns. Okay, so there was once an animal with (probably) a single horn on its head. What's so magical about that? Folklore has pictured the unicorn as a horse. Maybe it looked like a horse, maybe it's didn't. What's the big deal?
@mdstalla On the same line of allegory, do you think it is fair to say that a religious person is an alien who lands in the Louvre.....and concludes: Yes, it is complex.....design and therefore it is created by God, who is all powerful, all knowing, we better worship him in a very specific way or else we will be tortured in hell forever?
@mythcontrolpill Well, that’s not a good comparison. My allegory only attempted to demonstrate that ‘where there is complex but ordered logical-design; there must be an intelligent/purpose-driven creator.’ What we should do with/about that creator cannot be tested against the same allegory for the simple reason that the Alien himself is removed from the painting.
@mdstalla "Alien himself is removed from the painting". But you are not, and you are a big part of this allegory, without that it won't matter what the alien says or does. So I ask you, is what the Alien (the second one) said seem like a reasonable explanation, since you think what the first alien said wasn't so reasonable.
Dear Atheists: Since neither of us have any solid, scientific expiation as to what the fuck we are doing here; don’t you think your Catholic-bashing is a bit premature; seeing that you have no plausible alterative? Is it really so absurd for us to assume an ‘answer’ to conscience-existence while you present only the most sincere ‘questions?’ You are the preverbal Hair trying to keep up with the Tortoise. BTW: Any insurance-actuary will tell you it’s better to be covered while price shopping.
@mdstalla You are right there isn't any solid evidence either way, in point of fact, religionhas no reliable evidence whatsoever. The answer becomes I don't know for sure not I don't know for sure but I'm going to say this idea is right until someone proves it wrong. It is a logical fallacy called an argument from ignorance. If you make the assertion that the God hypothesis is true, with no evidence, how do you differentiate between all possible Gods as they are equally valid?
@MultiAntitheist Well that’s not true is it? Is gravity a fallacy of ignorance? We have no scientific proof for its existence yet without ‘assuming’ it; most other laws of Physics fall apart. Humans are capable of understanding many ideas/concepts that are far beyond our ‘scientific’ explanatory-reach—expression in Art is my favorite example. The particular ‘brand’ of religion is a debate between faiths; you reject the notion of God (more importantly, man’s divinity) altogether.
@mdstalla the effects of gravity can be seen, and gravity can be measured. On Earth for example, gravity is 9.80665 m / s^2, I hope that helps your is gravity a fallacy of ignorance question. The term "scientific proof" is inaccurate as only mathematics deals in proofs. "mans divinity" ... if man is divine, what use then of Gods? As for a debate between faiths... if you look up the word faith, it is the belief in something for which there is no evidence, or contrary to evidence, so who cares?
@MultiAntitheist By your standard; if we were able to see and measure the ‘effect’ of God; that would be enough to substantiate his existence. Well I would submit to you that far more people have seen and measured his effect than have not (myself included). Take a non-denomination faith-based program like AA for example: 30 million, incurable Alcoholics (by medical standards) abstaining from drinking though the power of God. Who cares? Ask any family member of those 30 million.
@mdstalla How do you know it is through the power of God? and which one? If i pray to a bottle of milk for money and win some on a scratch card the next day, is that evidence that the bottle of milk answered my prayers? The problem is falsifiabilty. With Gravity, you can set up experiments and say what you will accept as support and what will disprove it. with your God you will see everything that happens in the world as support and will never accept something happening as proof there isn't one
@MultiAntitheist If religion/AA was merely an effective-exercise in subconscious suggestion were ‘god’ could be eliminated all together; science/medicine would be all over it. Further, yes, if 30 million peopled prayed to a gallon of milk and won the lottery the next day; I’d say there’s something to it. But in both cases, the secularist test results in no correlated beneficial results; while, curiously, the ‘god’ test is so effective; it’s prescribed by doctors, courts and preists every day.
@mdstalla I think you are a little confused. Science/medcine makes no appeal to a God and the AA just replace one addiction with another. Get your 30 million people to pray for a friend of mine with downs syndrome and we'll see if God cures him. I'm guessing not. People have the illusion that prayers are answered when they pray for things that may happen on their own. In every scientific study of intercessory prayer, no beneficial effect has ever been demonstrated. you need to read more.
@MultiAntitheist The ‘prayer study’ you reference is also known as the ‘magic genie lamp experiment.’ If thats your understanding of God; I suggest you put down the books and go to church. My brother’s a Priest who’s on year 3 living in a mission in El Salvador. He works w/ the sick (including abandoned children with Down syndrome). I spent 2 weeks with him there in April; and it aint pretty. In light of this; it disgusts me to see you’d exploit your friend in order to mock God and the faithful.
@mdstalla And what would I learn in church? believe this fairy story we have for you and give us money, or burn in hell. I'm not exploiting anybody to mock a God that doesn't exist merely demonstrating that prayer to something that doesn't exist is a waste of time. God isn't curing those people in El Salvador, nor does he help the 9 million children under the age of 5 who die each year despite prayers. You need to try seperate fact from fantasy.
@MultiAntitheist Atheists are pathologically angry people masquerading as intellectual elitists. Spare me you cheesy, pre-recorded 1-liners (‘Fallacy of Ignorance’) in which U use more to faint your own false-intelligence than to argue a point. Ur angry because U are going to spend the rest of Ur life desperately seeking a God in which we discovered effortlessly. The fact is, while we’re busy helping the poor/lost/sick; Ur busy mocking our motives. U are not assets to society, U R a detriment.
@mdstalla There we go, that's showing your true xian colours. I'm not an angry person, I'm not even angry at your insults and stupidity. Why on earth would you think I'd spend the rest of my life desperately seeking a God? Secular people help the poor/lost/sick just because it's right, you do it because you think the invisible man in the sky will reward you. Society would be well rid of all religion, it's evil and devisive. Religion isn't making you happy... you seem like an angry person.
Science can never answer enough to give man confidence of knowledge. It seems from a simple doorway that opens to some knowledge is a geometric expansion of many doorways ever increasing the challenge to know anything of a certainty. It is like a half distance leap to the goal never actually reaches any goal, no matter how many half steps are taken. And if each half step widens the scope into infinite space, then it all falls apart as any sort of confidence that one can really know enough.
is there a god? i dont know,but im willing to bet no one else does for sure either,people can say they know for sure but lets face it till they prove can physicaly prove it they dont,otherwise it is either a mental illness, hallucination or a flat out lie,cause if god is talking to you,what makes you so special? nothing
@FreeThinkingGamers The Universe is EVERYTHING, and there always had to be SOMETHING here or there would FOREVER be NOTHING. It is not scientifically possible for nothing to turn into something, and Science tells us that there was always something. There was no beginning, just constant change. I cannot say another alien species did not create us, but somewhere along the line, life simply existed due to elements that allow it to,being combined.
@EnchancedHuman : 7:45: "no sain person could really say with absolute certainty that there isn't anything". Please reframe from using absolutes untill complete and perfect knowledge is achieved.
@godsadouchebag I say there is Santa Claus who delivers presents every year, there is no Dragon Guarding a women in a Castle, I say there is no man in the Clouds, who created the Universe and everything in it, and I say all these things because I know I am right, and I am free from mental derangement so don't say I am insane. I know this because knowing means:to have knowledge or clear and certain perception, as of fact or truth. My perception tells me these things are not real and what is.
@EnchancedHuman: well, i totally agree with the improbability of a god, but i am agnost, however we wish, we can not rule out the concept of a god neyond the big bang. Maybe you do not realize but this is a quote of dawkins. In his view no-one can formulate absolutes until proof is presented. The atheist claim is most probable, but certainty can not be attained until evidence is presented. Rational, isn't it?
@EnchancedHuman I uderstand your initial reaction, but I stand by my views. Do not use absolutes if you do not want to have absolutes used against you! I'd say let them revere the lord of the gaps, science will close these gaps eventually!
@godsadouchebag Problem with that is If I live my life based on possibilities rather then probabilities I will not have any sense of knowledge, no knowledge is absolute, it is just the reason and logic that shows no flaws, there are no flaws with the belief that there is no God, but tons of flaws with the belief of God, making my stance more probable and I consider the most probable thing, the truth in till further theories surpass the current truth in evidence.
@EnchancedHuman The quote is clear, I'm sorry you can not exclude a concept of god beyond the big bang. I'd rather base my life on certainty, but this is, in this matter, impossible. And I agree, I also live my life on total areligious (and perhaps even anti-religious) foundations because of the improbability of the existence of a god. But if one is totally intellectually honest: If you put forward the non-existence of any god: you must prove it; you put forward the claim!
@godsadouchebag It is proven... beyond doubt. An all powerful god would be able to stop evil, would be able to create his creation in his image perfectly! There are so many flaw to an all powerful being that created everything, when I was three I once asked "Who created God, if God created everything." Till this day the only answer is nothing created everything, because there is no such thing as nothing. Everything was always here, we just assume because consciousness had a start, that it does.
@EnchancedHuman I am sorry but that just does not cut it if one considers the possibility of a god-concept as an incentive to the big bang. I agree that a personal god can be ruled out by logic. And everything was always here? I beg to differ, that is a belief! Science substantiated the big bang-theory in such an extent that it is logical to assume it to be a best possibility. Beyond the big bang, there are a million possibilities, and god is one of them, but since we know nothing of it...
I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
HAHA.. The one thing that makes me understand. Is that if I were on an alien planet.....what would I tell teh sentient beings on that planet, I believe.
this was informative & helpful discussion;.I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
I've experienced GOD, The Holy Spirit, angels and demons since first awareness. I am now reading The Holy Bible only to find that it confirms everything I know to be true, plus much more. I keep saying YES, THAT'S TRUE! There is no debating personal experience, except to say that I am a liar or psychotic. I met and photographed a demon knight in 09. He presents as half man and half large predatory cat. He believes in GOD. All demons do. Only human beings must struggle with this greater reality.
@6hundred3score6, ... did I detect a hint of nervousness in that laughter? Just make sure you don't laugh your way straight to Hell, or the last laugh will be had by The Devil.
@voyagersystem the nervousness came from when i saw the lung come out of my mouth that I had just laughed up, if thats what you were getting at. can souls laugh?
@tallliza, I have experienced and interacted demonic since early infancy and in 2009 I was stalked by a demon (which you would refer to as a devil) and he allowed me to take a number of photos of him. I have multiple witnesses and photographic documentation of my encounters. Many give testimonies on YouTube on the demonic. But Satan has blinded you to the truith. Just keep reading THE DAWKIN'S DELUSION.
@tallliza, you seem to equate intelligence with what century we are in. When you physically die and come before GOD to be judged, then perhaps you might offer HIM the number of a good psychiatrist. Good luck!
@voyagersystem Good luck with your fantasy.. Something to ponder... One of the last prayers of Mother Theresa....... God IF YOU EXIST have mercy on me..
@voyagersystem On what basis do you claim that catholics are not christian. This is silly protestant propaganda. The Catholics together with the Eastern Orthodox and the Copts are the roots of christianity. Catholics are as convinced as any other christian denomination, that they have the truth and the ONLY truth. And since they go back 2.000 years, they are more believable than your particular brand of christianity.Why do you think YOUR denomination is right and ALL the others are wrong ?
@voyagersystem I believe you! A couple of years ago I was stalked by a large furry creature with big ears (you would refer to him as the Easter Bunnie). I did you one better though, I shot him. Got him mounted over my fire place. No Easter this year! But if you keep waiting for the candy to appear this year, Satan has blinded you. Just keep reading Mad magazine, and don't forget to take the thorazine.
(cont)...God's relationship with mankind based on actual events. It was not written as or intended to be fictional literature.
But beyond what the Bible says, its hard to deny that the universe can't be understood by man. And that there has to be something outside of the physical realm of the universe that created it- after all, spontaneous generation was disproved years ago. So there must be some larger force behind existence.
@masonboyles1 The universe can't be understood by man?!?! Surely you aren't so primitive in your christian values as to believe something like that. The mayans said the same thing when volcanoes erupted. The italians said the same thing when they forced Galileo into house arrest. Many people over the centuries have said the exact same thing, yet we continue to understand more and more about the universe.
@jordaniac89 (cont.) The only logical conclusion that you can come to is that there has to be a force behind the universe? Look at quantum mechanics. I also suggest that you look at at Lawrence Krauss' lecture "A Universe from Nothing". And saying that spontaneous generation being proven false is proof that a great "designer" is behind the existence of man is purely illogical (which, by the way, quantum mechanics addresses the problems that spontaneous generation did not).
@webtvmaster: I believe that the Josephus quote was questioned because of its content. However most historians today confirm its accuracy on the grounds that it matches the writing style of Josephus.
@jgsouter: the difference is that Frodo did so in a book that was written as, and accepted by its audience as, fiction. However the Bible was not written as fiction, and its audience did not accept it as such. It was understood, even by nonbelievers, that the books of the Bible document...
This is a silly thing to say but I wish my dad could debate Dawkins on these issues. I came at him with a compilation of arguments from Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris and Grayling about religion and faith, and on each one he made me pause. His counters were not so much affirmative of religion but certainly made me re-examine my practised atheist barbs. My dad does not have a major scientific background but he is very distinguished and superbly logical; sceptical of the sceptics.
@drifting789 my dad is EXACTLY the same. i think there are alot of things people don't know how to address in a debate. most of them try to debate using resource material to back up their arguments. they should consider arguing from a common sense/logical point of view.
@ sonykroket: You can't have a discussion without having two sides, my friend. If you don't want to think about or discuss what you believe, then maybe you shouldn't be reading these comments. Or maybe you just don't know why you believe what you believe?
(cont) Clearly he could not understand how Jesus performed his miracles- these 'paradoxical acts'. He also documents Christ's inexplicable resurrection.
As for Biblical miracles, please refer to the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. It is also notable that Jesus fulfilled many Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah, further confirming His divine nature.
He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him, for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvelous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."
(cont) As for historical documentation, here is one account of Jesus from a non-Christian historian, Josephus: "About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks...
@EndersQuest: I am defending my faith because as Christians we are called to the Great Commission: to bring others to Christ. I believe that there is a heaven, and everyone who accepts Christ as their savior will join Him there. I also believe that hell exists, and that anyone who does not follow Jesus will spend eternity there. This is why I put forth so much effort in defending my faith, so that others may come to experience salvation.
(cont'd)...Or rather, ANY evidence against His existence? Maybe you're trying to disprove it because you don't want it to be true? Regardless, you must feel to some extent that there is a God because otherwise you wouldn't put so much emotion into denying Him. Please continue asking questions. I will do my best to answer them and I will be praying for you.
(cont'd)...Jesus, whose miracles are documented Biblically AND by secular historians, performed these miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit. Similarly, he cast out the aforementioned 'evil' spirits on many occasions. The same is true with Paul and the disciples.But may i ask you something? Why are you so eager to reject god's existence? If you don't believe in God, why are you so eager to find more evidence against His existence?
(cont'd)...and then put them together to create it? Where is the 'proof' for evolution? Isn't atheism also a superstitious fairy tale?
Truth be told, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Look at how often scientific 'truths' have been accepted as wrong. If you are truly seeking truth, then you would agree that man can't fully understand or explain the world around him. The same goes for God, since God created this world we live in. As for the Holy Spirit: Jesus, whose miracles...
(cont'd) Where does this come from? In Genesis God breathed the 'breath of life' into humanity- His Holy Spirit. But when man sinned and rejected the Holy Spirit, we became open to the influences of these other spirits I discussed previously.
Is it any more superstitious to believe in evolution? Is it any more superstitious to believe that we came into being randomly and that somehow no higher power created the universe and the building blocks for life, ...
(cont'd) And the truth is that faith is 'nonsense'- we can't experience God with our limited senses. In our sinful nature, we cannot experience the true glory of God (see the account of Moses when God passed by him in the old testament). God cannot be fully understood by our five senses. But our existence is more than what we see, smell, taste, hear, and touch. We have intuition and emotions. This higher level of self consciousness is what separates us from animals.
@soneykroket: Just to be clear, if the historical evidence I cited for Jesus's miracles, which he performed in the name of the holy spirit, is 'reli-nonsense', then do you deny all of history? Because if you believe Caesar became emperor of Rome then you ought to believe in the miracles that Jesus performed. Why? Because the very same secular historians who documented Caesar's rise to power also documented the inexplicable acts that Jesus performed.
(continued from sixth post) Just as there is a Holy Spirit that can enter us, mankind in his fallen nature can also be filled with unclean spirits because man is born into sin (because of Adam and Eve betraying God and following the advice of Satan). But God offers us redemption through His son Jesus Christ, who died for our sins so that we could be reconciled with God.
Well, I hope that answers your questions @mizzcrazejr. (continued)
(continued from fifth post) Where do these doubts come from? Luke 11:24-26 tells us that unclean spirits enter a man and lead him astray. These unclean spirits are the fallen angels who followed Satan in his rebellion against God. Ever since Adam and Eve fell to Satan's temptation in the Garden of Eden and ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, mankind has been subject to the influence of Satan. (continued)
(continued from fourth post) When the rich man begs for Abraham to send Lazarus from heaven to warn his brothers to repent and seek God, Abraham replies that if they did not believe Moses and the prophets then even a dead man's resurrection couldn't bring them to faith. You see, we all have doubts- even when the disciples saw Jesus resurrected in the flesh (along with 500 other witnesses) the Bible tells us that "they worshipped, but some still doubted." (continued)
(continued from third post) The point is that whoever we are, we are all flawed and in need of Gods forgiveness- which He offers through Christ's sacrifice. Whether righteous or rebellious, we are in need of forgiveness (see the parable of the prodigal son).
To answer your last question, God gives us free will to make decisions, and Satan fights to convince us to reject God. Look at Luke 16:31, where Jesus tells the parable of Lazarus. (continued)
(continued from second post) Second, the church has caused many terrible things. That is because all of humanity is fallen. We are all sinners, and only the grace of God allows us to be forgiven. Many self righteous "Christians" have done terrible, terrible things. Whether righteous or rebellious, we are in need of forgiveness (see the parable of the prodigal son). So have many atheists. That's not the point. (continued)
(continued from first post) Look at the world we live in. Science does not explain why things happen, it only attempts to explain how they happen in a way that mere humans can understand. And still, science is inexact and often wrong (remember the whole world is flat deal?) Suppose we all just came from a primordial gook and were put together by proteins, carbon, etc. Who put us together? Those are the ingredients, but who was the chef that put them together and created life? (continued)
Sorry I'm late to the party. @mizzcrazejr asked a lot of great questions, and i'm going to answer them over the next few posts because the answer won't fit on one post. So, here goes:
@mizzcrazejr: first of all, no evidence? The evidence for Christianity is all around us. Read the hundreds of fulfilled prophecies throughout the Old and New Testaments, read the Gospel accounts (and the accounts of secular historians such as Josephus, which confirm Jesus's divine miracles). (continued)
Even Tacitus referred to Jesus Christ in his historical writings and there can be no denail that Jesus Christ did exist and that His teachings have been of profound influence upon the history of mankind. These fact can hardly be equated with pink unicorns and flying spagetti monsters.
@sonykroket Are you actually fucking retarded? No eye-witnesses of Jesus Christ? I swear, you people just get more and more stupid. Do some research before you look like an ignorant simpleton.
@yermom014 It dosen't really matter when your bullshit religion is not only amongst the most evil, but also nothing but a snowball that rolled over a dozen pagan religions. Your hypocritical contradictory messiah was based of the Pre-Christian God Mithras -Called the Son of God and the light of the world- who was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb and ressurected in three days. Nothing in Christianity is original, even your weekly holy day is stolen from the Pagans.
really kingbilgames, so people got fed to lions because they got tricked into thinking that was Jesus was the son of god, im pretty sure if your going to get eating by a lion for your saviour you are pretty sure that he is your savour am I correct ?
Robstar1276 1 day ago
If God has a good sense of humor, there will be flocks of pink unicorns in hell ... ;-)
TimotheosCauvin 1 month ago
Bringing Lazarus back to life
Healing Bartimaeus of blindness
The withering fig tree that produced no fruit
Restoring a severed ear The resurrection of Jesus Christ Catching of the 153 fish
Jesus walks on water
Healing of many in Gennesaret Healing a demon-possessed girl Healing a deaf man with a speech impediment Healing a mute man possessed by a demon Healing a man who was crippled for 38 years Feeding 5000 men and their families
EGMAG 2 months ago
@EGMAG Thank you for the introduction of the realm of delusion.
ahetalpkeusoulite123 2 months ago
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@ahetalpkeusoulite123 the realm of delusion<<
What? You don't believe it can happen? Even without proof miracles abound. why the other day I saw the Pope cure a ham, and make a blind man lame, you better believe it sinner.
EGMAG 2 months ago
@EGMAG so says one book........
EtchedInOak 2 months ago
@EtchedInOak
Yes and the book is absolute evidence .... right? I mean when it comes to evidence for belief.
EGMAG 2 months ago
Born of a virgin Changing water into wine Healing of the royal official's son Healing of a man possessed by a demon in Capernaum Healing of Simon Peter's mother-in-law Healing the sick during the evening Catching a large number of fish
Healing a leper Healing a paralyzed man Healing a withered hand Raising a widow's son Calming the stormy sea Healing the Gerasene demon-possessed man Healing a woman with internal bleeding Raising Jairus' daughter Healing two blind men
EGMAG 2 months ago
One thing he said which creationists would contend is that if you ask why God is hidden? It would be in order for faith or belief to exist. You can't have faith if the thing you believe in is proved and in your midst.
A human cunumdrum? Oh yes!
EGMAG 2 months ago
Dawkins = EVIL-lusionist
walkingphilosopher 2 months ago
@walkingphilosopher Dawkins = pseudo-scientist who has built a cult around his writings (and quasi-superstitious nonsense such as memes) and is a disgrace to all real atheist thinkers. And I'd never trust anyone who claims they are an ''atheist for Christ'' as it speaks badly on them. Christianity is not wrong because of the superstitious element, who cares about that, it is wrong due to the immoral teachings of ''Christ'', in which he commands brothers to hate brothers etc.
kingbilgames 2 months ago
@kingbilgames Great enough that you know that Dawkins is a fraud. I applaud you for that,indeed a rarity on youtube. I myself was an atheist, and actually still am to a certain extent. I am also suspicious of oganized religion. But the only thing, I disagree with you is teaching of Christ is immoral (all?). I am open to the probability that several of his statements (please do not say all :) ) may not fit the present day development of moral so can you state where you strongest disagreement is?
walkingphilosopher 2 months ago
@walkingphilosopher There are some good moral teachings from Christ (who might not have existed but have been an amalgamation of many) but I do not take exception to Luke 14:26-33, 2 John 9, 2 Corinthians 5, Revelation 14:10-11 and 21:8 but all of Revelation, 1 Peter 2:18, Titus 2:9-10, Mark 16:16, etc. Of course I take exception to almost all of the Old Testament too...
kingbilgames 2 months ago
@kingbilgames I will not go through the reference to biblical passage because I myself do not adhere to any holy book. But its very clear that you are not part of the new atheist movement. I am a freethinker myself so I can relate to your position. :)
walkingphilosopher 2 months ago
@kingbilgames PS: I'm not inviting you for further exchange of comments, but I think that you might want to check the histority of Jesus. According to wiki, Jesus' existence is now not disputed by the majority of reputable historians as evaluated by standard methology. I am not making the jump of conclusion that he is God, but simply that he really existed as a person. Makes no difference to me if Jesus is not God, but I'm simply stating the currently accepted position in history.
walkingphilosopher 2 months ago
@walkingphilosopher If you do not want further exchanges of comments, don't reply then. And I do not care if most modern historians believe that Jesus existed because I do not, and any evidence for his existence as a living being is flimsy at best.
kingbilgames 1 month ago
@kingbilgames ill give them jesus exsisted. doesnt mean he performed miracles. it would be like the crazy guy at the bus shelter talking gibberish but he just had followers, and there was no google back then so some people bought it
unholychunk 2 weeks ago
Im not too sure about thie idea that logic solves everything. I think that Dawkins is a brilliant scientist. However, he is a poor philosopher, and fails to understand that nature of any God (At least the ones he addresses in his book, The God Delusion.) he sets up God as an old (and straw) man sat on the clouds, ocassionaly granting people miracles when he wishes. he comprehensively fails to understand the nature of an infinite existence, as it would be necessary for a god to be.
hypertom95 2 months ago
I particularly like Dawkins table of 7 degrees of agnosticism. I think that is a logical way to get people to define their sense of probability of the concept of a supernatural creator, or not.
axolotl5 3 months ago
"To deny God is not a scientific conclusion but one drawn from the LIMITATIONS of science"
Let´s correct this for you:
"To accept God is a conclusion drawn from the LIMITATIONS of science". In other words, you worship a being that is composed of human ignorance.
lfzadra 3 months ago
Neither ultimate cause nor purpose can be proven or falsified by empirical science.empirical science is not designed to detect or define a purpose. biological evolution can acknowledge no purpose but likewise it cannot contend that there is a purpose outside of a metaphysical conclusion that there is no God.science cannot offer access to God and can neither establish his existence nor falsify his existence. To deny God is not a scientific conclusion but one drawn from the LIMITATIONS of science
ngimangi 3 months ago
At 3:53, Mr. Dawkins begins by saying " I believe ". I find this to be a curious way for a man with his position. But, then he later reveals that on his self made scale of 1 to 7 he places himself as a 6, thus allowing he has enough confidence in himself to sell his opinion in a book but not enough confidence in his book to completely trust to his own opinions.
brokenreality100 3 months ago
Atheists are self-proclaiming losers who deserve to return to nature. Face it, youre a worthless corpse. Why not shoot yourselves and quit wasting everyone valuable time.
Seigu007 3 months ago
@Seigu007 why don't you shoot yourself to be with god.You sir seem foolish
jplb96 3 months ago
@jplb96 Welcome God-Hater, and I’m happy to have an impact on your dismal view of yourself, and the world that you live in.Ask yourself this,”If you don’t believe in Jesus/God then what drives you to attack them?”
Somewhat odd huh?
Seigu007 3 months ago
@Seigu007 no not really .I just find i somewhat upsetting that priests rabbis and so on would dedicate their lives to something that has and never will have any evidence and BTW quoting something from the bible doesnt count.I hate religion and am against it being a mandatory subject in school.I also do not attack jesus/god i at most say there is no evidence,I do not ask for evidence .
jplb96 3 months ago
@jplb96 Though you have no education and are here simply because you hate God and would like to destroy theists is sadly telling.You are weak….very weak indeed and have no idea that your emotions do not substitute as science or fact. You’re not very believable, and have offered up no supportive evidence for your ridiculous claim.
Seigu007 3 months ago
@Seigu007 You questioning my intelligence is hilarious and I am very strong as most people wouldn't reply to someone blinded by faith as you ,I do not hate god as I don't believe he exists.It's like me saying i hate the invisible pink unicorn .Science is the way forward as is evolution not claiming a man who we have never seen or heard, has no proof or has and never will have evidence of him created the world.I can give you facts and figures but if you don't use common sense I can do nothing.
jplb96 3 months ago
@jplb96 This may be the minor leagues dealing with a group of quote mining parrots in here but it nevertheless does keep my debating skills finely honed.
In other words you’re being used for my pleasure and academic recall,and nothing more.
And just barely at that.
Seigu007 3 months ago
@Seigu007 I have the same reasons ironically
jplb96 3 months ago
@Seigu007 This comment is 6 days old, but i must congratulate you still, for your hilarious comments:D. Is it okay if I use your as an example in my school report? Just your comments ofcourse.
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@Dubstepsanta1 You seem to be a very depressed individual in dire need of spiritual help.
Perhaps you should consider taking a course in logic as well. I certainly would recommend it.
Seigu007 3 months ago
@Seigu007 The art of trolling, advanced. ^^
Dubstepsanta1 3 months ago
@Dubstepsanta1 You are weak….very weak indeed and have no idea that your emotions do not substitute as science or fact. Grow up
Seigu007 3 months ago
@Seigu007 Haha:), dont worry,illogical internet arguments are illogical. There's no point in arguing with you.I wont even type anything ill-intended. Just be happy Seigu007 'coolest name evah'. Be happy and good luck.
Dubstepsanta1 3 months ago
@Dubstepsanta1 you too
Seigu007 3 months ago
@Dubstepsanta1 I had to laugh at the sheer imbecility of that mess that you label a thought train and compulsive propensity to mispell the simplest of words.
Seigu007 3 months ago
@Seigu007 It must have been obvious that I am a child, and so it's quite natural for my sentences to not be perfect.Plus you cannot exepect everyone writing a comment on English to know it very well, or have it as an birth-language, you seem far more inteligent than that. So why would you want to throw complex words at someone who have trouble understanding them and still not include anything at all about what I asked you about. And on the internet too, where nobody gives a fuck anyway.
Dubstepsanta1 3 months ago
@Dubstepsanta1 youre an idiot. shut up
Seigu007 3 months ago
interesting, what dawkins is saying is if I were God the universe would not look like this. Oh and evolution doesnt happen. Just have a peek at the genetic code itself, there is no way that random mutagenesis can account for even one gene.
stevenpeterse 3 months ago
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"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible.
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@Sperson1993
That's really the point of the invisible pink unicorn. Asides from simply being an analogy to ridiculous divine beings, it's ability to be both pink and invisible is an analogy of the all powerfull-paradox.
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majorl311 6 months ago
an unanswerable question leads to one conclusion.
4488ization 6 months ago
funny his picture is taken next to a spiral shell which is the symbol of pantheism which is what he unknowingly is ha.
topbluffa1 6 months ago
tell us where it all started dawkins. from the very start. ......... now before that.... and before that.....? cant get water from a stone. but u can get a universe from nothing? good science old chap.
4488ization 6 months ago
@4488ization lol you do know that "God" created the universe out of nothing right? Science cant answer everything but at least it progresses, just because there is no answer now does not mean that there will never be an answer on the other hand religion continues with the same bullshit and it never changes
SSjLuigi1 6 months ago
@SSjLuigi1 you sir are an idiot ,the bible it clearly 100% fact ,as it was written by men 2000 years who have no idea of how science and evolution works.And clearly states it is gods word which did I mention means it is 100% true.(sarcasm)
jplb96 3 months ago
@4488ization That's not his point, you're addressing a completely different question. The Athiest/Thiest debate concerns whether a divine god EXISTS. You cannot seriously pretend that you have any authority to discount science based on its incapability to answer a complex and seemingly impossible question? What does your argument offer? "My god told me in this book how life started therefore it is true?". If I present YOU with a question you cannot answer does that invalidate your argument? No.
smallmantynan 6 months ago
@4488ization The universe has to come from something but god doesn't? Good science "old chap."
Conor316 6 months ago
@Conor316
what if i told you god is the infinite substratum, cause and effect and the underlying true reality/nature of everything..
and that the universe is simply a objectified form of God just like the wave is a objectified form of the ocean in reality its always the ocean.
:P
topbluffa1 6 months ago
@topbluffa1 If you told me that I would ask you for evidence that a God occupies that role in the universe.
Conor316 6 months ago
@Conor316
you obviously don't get it.
do you want me to provide you with evidence that shows a cup is both half full .... any evidence i give you you could say it proves the cup is half empty... it comes down to you being able to look at the evidence the right way... which your not.
everything is the evidence but your objectifying the unified being that is everything into objects, individuals just like i could objectify your body in parts cells etc and deny your bodies existence
topbluffa1 6 months ago
@topbluffa1 Sorry, but no. A claim must be substantiated with a sufficient amount of evidence to satiate what it presents. If you can't do that, there is no reason to believe what it is you claim.
Conor316 6 months ago
@Conor316
i just explained it to you i can present you with evidence but you wouldn't recognise it.
just like i can present you with evidence showing you a glass is half full but you could always say it is just showing the glass is half empty.
topbluffa1 6 months ago
@Conor316
so my point is god does not have to come from something because there is no such thing as "coming from something" because this means creation and creation is disproved by the law of conservation which proves that energy/matter can only ever be converted but never created/destroyed.
thus Hinduism wins..
topbluffa1 6 months ago
God created everything ! Wow,that makes so much sense.........................but who created God? Personally, "just happened" makes much more sense to me!
CroArtVandelay 6 months ago
I don't see how God starting everything preempts evolution, rather supports it. "Just happend" doesn't take into account any natural laws and is totally in oposition to "all the beauty the complexity, and the elegance that we see around us evolved by slow gradual incremental degrees" < HOW IS THAT JUST HAPPENED??? This guy's cheese slid of his ever lovin' CRAKCER!
shizzleman8 6 months ago
@shizzleman8 To me; an Atheist is an Alien who lands in the Luvre; looks at the Mona Lisa and concludes: “Yes, it’s complex, meaningful and beautiful—with intelligent/purposeful design; but that doesn't mean an intelligent artist created it! This painting (and the museum that houses it) was formed by nothing more than random, natural forces that just happen to collide. Any ascertain to the ilk is an improbable absurdity (like fairies and unicorns).”
mdstalla 6 months ago
@mdstalla I don't get this fascination with unicorns. Okay, so there was once an animal with (probably) a single horn on its head. What's so magical about that? Folklore has pictured the unicorn as a horse. Maybe it looked like a horse, maybe it's didn't. What's the big deal?
joroma77 6 months ago
@joroma77 Unicorns never existed.
mdstalla 6 months ago
@mdstalla On the same line of allegory, do you think it is fair to say that a religious person is an alien who lands in the Louvre.....and concludes: Yes, it is complex.....design and therefore it is created by God, who is all powerful, all knowing, we better worship him in a very specific way or else we will be tortured in hell forever?
mythcontrolpill 6 months ago
@mythcontrolpill Well, that’s not a good comparison. My allegory only attempted to demonstrate that ‘where there is complex but ordered logical-design; there must be an intelligent/purpose-driven creator.’ What we should do with/about that creator cannot be tested against the same allegory for the simple reason that the Alien himself is removed from the painting.
mdstalla 6 months ago
@mdstalla "Alien himself is removed from the painting". But you are not, and you are a big part of this allegory, without that it won't matter what the alien says or does. So I ask you, is what the Alien (the second one) said seem like a reasonable explanation, since you think what the first alien said wasn't so reasonable.
mythcontrolpill 6 months ago
Dawkins actually starts speaking at 3:24.
jrodc22 7 months ago 2
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Dear Atheists: Since neither of us have any solid, scientific expiation as to what the fuck we are doing here; don’t you think your Catholic-bashing is a bit premature; seeing that you have no plausible alterative? Is it really so absurd for us to assume an ‘answer’ to conscience-existence while you present only the most sincere ‘questions?’ You are the preverbal Hair trying to keep up with the Tortoise. BTW: Any insurance-actuary will tell you it’s better to be covered while price shopping.
mdstalla 7 months ago
@mdstalla You are right there isn't any solid evidence either way, in point of fact, religionhas no reliable evidence whatsoever. The answer becomes I don't know for sure not I don't know for sure but I'm going to say this idea is right until someone proves it wrong. It is a logical fallacy called an argument from ignorance. If you make the assertion that the God hypothesis is true, with no evidence, how do you differentiate between all possible Gods as they are equally valid?
MultiAntitheist 7 months ago
@MultiAntitheist Well that’s not true is it? Is gravity a fallacy of ignorance? We have no scientific proof for its existence yet without ‘assuming’ it; most other laws of Physics fall apart. Humans are capable of understanding many ideas/concepts that are far beyond our ‘scientific’ explanatory-reach—expression in Art is my favorite example. The particular ‘brand’ of religion is a debate between faiths; you reject the notion of God (more importantly, man’s divinity) altogether.
mdstalla 7 months ago
@mdstalla the effects of gravity can be seen, and gravity can be measured. On Earth for example, gravity is 9.80665 m / s^2, I hope that helps your is gravity a fallacy of ignorance question. The term "scientific proof" is inaccurate as only mathematics deals in proofs. "mans divinity" ... if man is divine, what use then of Gods? As for a debate between faiths... if you look up the word faith, it is the belief in something for which there is no evidence, or contrary to evidence, so who cares?
MultiAntitheist 6 months ago
@MultiAntitheist By your standard; if we were able to see and measure the ‘effect’ of God; that would be enough to substantiate his existence. Well I would submit to you that far more people have seen and measured his effect than have not (myself included). Take a non-denomination faith-based program like AA for example: 30 million, incurable Alcoholics (by medical standards) abstaining from drinking though the power of God. Who cares? Ask any family member of those 30 million.
mdstalla 6 months ago
@mdstalla How do you know it is through the power of God? and which one? If i pray to a bottle of milk for money and win some on a scratch card the next day, is that evidence that the bottle of milk answered my prayers? The problem is falsifiabilty. With Gravity, you can set up experiments and say what you will accept as support and what will disprove it. with your God you will see everything that happens in the world as support and will never accept something happening as proof there isn't one
MultiAntitheist 6 months ago
@MultiAntitheist If religion/AA was merely an effective-exercise in subconscious suggestion were ‘god’ could be eliminated all together; science/medicine would be all over it. Further, yes, if 30 million peopled prayed to a gallon of milk and won the lottery the next day; I’d say there’s something to it. But in both cases, the secularist test results in no correlated beneficial results; while, curiously, the ‘god’ test is so effective; it’s prescribed by doctors, courts and preists every day.
mdstalla 6 months ago
@mdstalla I think you are a little confused. Science/medcine makes no appeal to a God and the AA just replace one addiction with another. Get your 30 million people to pray for a friend of mine with downs syndrome and we'll see if God cures him. I'm guessing not. People have the illusion that prayers are answered when they pray for things that may happen on their own. In every scientific study of intercessory prayer, no beneficial effect has ever been demonstrated. you need to read more.
MultiAntitheist 6 months ago
@MultiAntitheist The ‘prayer study’ you reference is also known as the ‘magic genie lamp experiment.’ If thats your understanding of God; I suggest you put down the books and go to church. My brother’s a Priest who’s on year 3 living in a mission in El Salvador. He works w/ the sick (including abandoned children with Down syndrome). I spent 2 weeks with him there in April; and it aint pretty. In light of this; it disgusts me to see you’d exploit your friend in order to mock God and the faithful.
mdstalla 6 months ago
@mdstalla And what would I learn in church? believe this fairy story we have for you and give us money, or burn in hell. I'm not exploiting anybody to mock a God that doesn't exist merely demonstrating that prayer to something that doesn't exist is a waste of time. God isn't curing those people in El Salvador, nor does he help the 9 million children under the age of 5 who die each year despite prayers. You need to try seperate fact from fantasy.
MultiAntitheist 6 months ago
@MultiAntitheist Atheists are pathologically angry people masquerading as intellectual elitists. Spare me you cheesy, pre-recorded 1-liners (‘Fallacy of Ignorance’) in which U use more to faint your own false-intelligence than to argue a point. Ur angry because U are going to spend the rest of Ur life desperately seeking a God in which we discovered effortlessly. The fact is, while we’re busy helping the poor/lost/sick; Ur busy mocking our motives. U are not assets to society, U R a detriment.
mdstalla 6 months ago
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@mdstalla You are clueless.
AlwaysWearYourHelmet 6 months ago
@mdstalla There we go, that's showing your true xian colours. I'm not an angry person, I'm not even angry at your insults and stupidity. Why on earth would you think I'd spend the rest of my life desperately seeking a God? Secular people help the poor/lost/sick just because it's right, you do it because you think the invisible man in the sky will reward you. Society would be well rid of all religion, it's evil and devisive. Religion isn't making you happy... you seem like an angry person.
MultiAntitheist 6 months ago
Science can never answer enough to give man confidence of knowledge. It seems from a simple doorway that opens to some knowledge is a geometric expansion of many doorways ever increasing the challenge to know anything of a certainty. It is like a half distance leap to the goal never actually reaches any goal, no matter how many half steps are taken. And if each half step widens the scope into infinite space, then it all falls apart as any sort of confidence that one can really know enough.
CarmineFragione 8 months ago
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is there a god? i dont know,but im willing to bet no one else does for sure either,people can say they know for sure but lets face it till they prove can physicaly prove it they dont,otherwise it is either a mental illness, hallucination or a flat out lie,cause if god is talking to you,what makes you so special? nothing
coltsrule5150 8 months ago
@coltsrule5150 I know there is no God for sure, becuase I know the Universe was not created, it was always here.
EnchancedHuman 8 months ago
@EnchancedHuman How do you KNOW that the Universe was always here?
FreeThinkingGamers 8 months ago
@FreeThinkingGamers The Universe is EVERYTHING, and there always had to be SOMETHING here or there would FOREVER be NOTHING. It is not scientifically possible for nothing to turn into something, and Science tells us that there was always something. There was no beginning, just constant change. I cannot say another alien species did not create us, but somewhere along the line, life simply existed due to elements that allow it to,being combined.
EnchancedHuman 8 months ago
We just happen to be that life rather then space particles.
EnchancedHuman 8 months ago
@EnchancedHuman : 7:45: "no sain person could really say with absolute certainty that there isn't anything". Please reframe from using absolutes untill complete and perfect knowledge is achieved.
godsadouchebag 8 months ago
@godsadouchebag I say there is Santa Claus who delivers presents every year, there is no Dragon Guarding a women in a Castle, I say there is no man in the Clouds, who created the Universe and everything in it, and I say all these things because I know I am right, and I am free from mental derangement so don't say I am insane. I know this because knowing means:to have knowledge or clear and certain perception, as of fact or truth. My perception tells me these things are not real and what is.
EnchancedHuman 8 months ago
@EnchancedHuman: well, i totally agree with the improbability of a god, but i am agnost, however we wish, we can not rule out the concept of a god neyond the big bang. Maybe you do not realize but this is a quote of dawkins. In his view no-one can formulate absolutes until proof is presented. The atheist claim is most probable, but certainty can not be attained until evidence is presented. Rational, isn't it?
godsadouchebag 8 months ago
@godsadouchebag I meant to say there is no Santa. Sorry for confusion.
EnchancedHuman 8 months ago
@EnchancedHuman I uderstand your initial reaction, but I stand by my views. Do not use absolutes if you do not want to have absolutes used against you! I'd say let them revere the lord of the gaps, science will close these gaps eventually!
godsadouchebag 8 months ago
@godsadouchebag Problem with that is If I live my life based on possibilities rather then probabilities I will not have any sense of knowledge, no knowledge is absolute, it is just the reason and logic that shows no flaws, there are no flaws with the belief that there is no God, but tons of flaws with the belief of God, making my stance more probable and I consider the most probable thing, the truth in till further theories surpass the current truth in evidence.
EnchancedHuman 8 months ago
@EnchancedHuman The quote is clear, I'm sorry you can not exclude a concept of god beyond the big bang. I'd rather base my life on certainty, but this is, in this matter, impossible. And I agree, I also live my life on total areligious (and perhaps even anti-religious) foundations because of the improbability of the existence of a god. But if one is totally intellectually honest: If you put forward the non-existence of any god: you must prove it; you put forward the claim!
godsadouchebag 8 months ago
@godsadouchebag It is proven... beyond doubt. An all powerful god would be able to stop evil, would be able to create his creation in his image perfectly! There are so many flaw to an all powerful being that created everything, when I was three I once asked "Who created God, if God created everything." Till this day the only answer is nothing created everything, because there is no such thing as nothing. Everything was always here, we just assume because consciousness had a start, that it does.
EnchancedHuman 8 months ago
@EnchancedHuman I am sorry but that just does not cut it if one considers the possibility of a god-concept as an incentive to the big bang. I agree that a personal god can be ruled out by logic. And everything was always here? I beg to differ, that is a belief! Science substantiated the big bang-theory in such an extent that it is logical to assume it to be a best possibility. Beyond the big bang, there are a million possibilities, and god is one of them, but since we know nothing of it...
godsadouchebag 8 months ago
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I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
shieldsff 7 months ago
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coltsrule5150 8 months ago
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coltsrule5150 8 months ago
Not sure what 2 believe anymore=(
cxcxcxvcvcvc 8 months ago
HAHA.. The one thing that makes me understand. Is that if I were on an alien planet.....what would I tell teh sentient beings on that planet, I believe.
cravencx 8 months ago
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this was informative & helpful discussion;.I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
shieldsff 8 months ago
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GOD says in the Holy Bible , only 2 choices for all sinful mankind&nation on earth.
1. Repent&believe in JESUS only before too late , before you die , before the end
2. Burn and be punished according to your sins in hell forever , for all eternity
Choose only the right choice for yourself , time is fast running out !!!
(Aliens&UFO&Evolution = Great deception from Satan&demons in the last day)
fuckmania07 8 months ago
Yes, ... but not where your'e headed! (just kidding!) ;0)
voyagersystem 8 months ago
I've experienced GOD, The Holy Spirit, angels and demons since first awareness. I am now reading The Holy Bible only to find that it confirms everything I know to be true, plus much more. I keep saying YES, THAT'S TRUE! There is no debating personal experience, except to say that I am a liar or psychotic. I met and photographed a demon knight in 09. He presents as half man and half large predatory cat. He believes in GOD. All demons do. Only human beings must struggle with this greater reality.
voyagersystem 8 months ago
@voyagersystem It could also be said that you were delusional.
letts82 8 months ago
@letts82 ... perhaps my camera was delusional.
voyagersystem 8 months ago
@voyagersystem : Lmaooooooooooo
7A35 8 months ago
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@7A35, ... and that applies to you as well.
voyagersystem 8 months ago
@voyagersystem ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6hundred3score6 8 months ago
@6hundred3score6, ... did I detect a hint of nervousness in that laughter? Just make sure you don't laugh your way straight to Hell, or the last laugh will be had by The Devil.
voyagersystem 8 months ago
@voyagersystem the nervousness came from when i saw the lung come out of my mouth that I had just laughed up, if thats what you were getting at. can souls laugh?
6hundred3score6 8 months ago
@voyagersystem If you find any evidence for the existence of devils, please give it to me . Devils are infantilism like leprechaums.
tallliza 8 months ago
@tallliza, I have experienced and interacted demonic since early infancy and in 2009 I was stalked by a demon (which you would refer to as a devil) and he allowed me to take a number of photos of him. I have multiple witnesses and photographic documentation of my encounters. Many give testimonies on YouTube on the demonic. But Satan has blinded you to the truith. Just keep reading THE DAWKIN'S DELUSION.
voyagersystem 8 months ago
@voyagersystem I would love to give you the phone number of a good psychiatrist. Are you really living in the 21th century or is it the 12th ???
tallliza 8 months ago
@tallliza, you seem to equate intelligence with what century we are in. When you physically die and come before GOD to be judged, then perhaps you might offer HIM the number of a good psychiatrist. Good luck!
voyagersystem 8 months ago
@voyagersystem Good luck with your fantasy.. Something to ponder... One of the last prayers of Mother Theresa....... God IF YOU EXIST have mercy on me..
tallliza 8 months ago
@tallliza, Mother Teresa was Catholic, not Christian. Follow JESUS CHRIST, not the church. GOD BLESS.
voyagersystem 8 months ago
@voyagersystem On what basis do you claim that catholics are not christian. This is silly protestant propaganda. The Catholics together with the Eastern Orthodox and the Copts are the roots of christianity. Catholics are as convinced as any other christian denomination, that they have the truth and the ONLY truth. And since they go back 2.000 years, they are more believable than your particular brand of christianity.Why do you think YOUR denomination is right and ALL the others are wrong ?
tallliza 8 months ago
@tallliza, ... go and do your research.
voyagersystem 8 months ago
@voyagersystem I believe you! A couple of years ago I was stalked by a large furry creature with big ears (you would refer to him as the Easter Bunnie). I did you one better though, I shot him. Got him mounted over my fire place. No Easter this year! But if you keep waiting for the candy to appear this year, Satan has blinded you. Just keep reading Mad magazine, and don't forget to take the thorazine.
edwardschlosser1 8 months ago
(cont)...God's relationship with mankind based on actual events. It was not written as or intended to be fictional literature.
But beyond what the Bible says, its hard to deny that the universe can't be understood by man. And that there has to be something outside of the physical realm of the universe that created it- after all, spontaneous generation was disproved years ago. So there must be some larger force behind existence.
masonboyles1 8 months ago
@masonboyles1 The universe can't be understood by man?!?! Surely you aren't so primitive in your christian values as to believe something like that. The mayans said the same thing when volcanoes erupted. The italians said the same thing when they forced Galileo into house arrest. Many people over the centuries have said the exact same thing, yet we continue to understand more and more about the universe.
jordaniac89 8 months ago
@jordaniac89 (cont.) The only logical conclusion that you can come to is that there has to be a force behind the universe? Look at quantum mechanics. I also suggest that you look at at Lawrence Krauss' lecture "A Universe from Nothing". And saying that spontaneous generation being proven false is proof that a great "designer" is behind the existence of man is purely illogical (which, by the way, quantum mechanics addresses the problems that spontaneous generation did not).
jordaniac89 8 months ago
@masonboyles1, "God's relationship with mankind based on actual events." Exactly! :)
voyagersystem 8 months ago
@webtvmaster: I believe that the Josephus quote was questioned because of its content. However most historians today confirm its accuracy on the grounds that it matches the writing style of Josephus.
@jgsouter: the difference is that Frodo did so in a book that was written as, and accepted by its audience as, fiction. However the Bible was not written as fiction, and its audience did not accept it as such. It was understood, even by nonbelievers, that the books of the Bible document...
masonboyles1 8 months ago
This is a silly thing to say but I wish my dad could debate Dawkins on these issues. I came at him with a compilation of arguments from Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris and Grayling about religion and faith, and on each one he made me pause. His counters were not so much affirmative of religion but certainly made me re-examine my practised atheist barbs. My dad does not have a major scientific background but he is very distinguished and superbly logical; sceptical of the sceptics.
drifting789 9 months ago
@drifting789 my dad is EXACTLY the same. i think there are alot of things people don't know how to address in a debate. most of them try to debate using resource material to back up their arguments. they should consider arguing from a common sense/logical point of view.
susmita666 9 months ago
@drifting789 your dad cant use a book written by men who had no idea of how gravity works in an arguement
jplb96 3 months ago
@ sonykroket: You can't have a discussion without having two sides, my friend. If you don't want to think about or discuss what you believe, then maybe you shouldn't be reading these comments. Or maybe you just don't know why you believe what you believe?
masonboyles1 9 months ago
@masonboyles1
Make it a reply next time, chicken.
sonykroket 8 months ago
(cont) Clearly he could not understand how Jesus performed his miracles- these 'paradoxical acts'. He also documents Christ's inexplicable resurrection.
As for Biblical miracles, please refer to the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. It is also notable that Jesus fulfilled many Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah, further confirming His divine nature.
masonboyles1 9 months ago
@masonboyles1
STFU, reli-spammer
sonykroket 9 months ago
@masonboyles1 Frodo destroyed the one ring. Its in a book. Must be true the eh?
jgsouter 9 months ago
He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him, for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvelous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day."
masonboyles1 9 months ago
@masonboyles1 Uh... you do know that that quote is known to be a forgery by Christian scribes?
webtvmaster 8 months ago
(cont) As for historical documentation, here is one account of Jesus from a non-Christian historian, Josephus: "About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks...
masonboyles1 9 months ago
@EndersQuest: I am defending my faith because as Christians we are called to the Great Commission: to bring others to Christ. I believe that there is a heaven, and everyone who accepts Christ as their savior will join Him there. I also believe that hell exists, and that anyone who does not follow Jesus will spend eternity there. This is why I put forth so much effort in defending my faith, so that others may come to experience salvation.
masonboyles1 9 months ago
(cont'd)...Or rather, ANY evidence against His existence? Maybe you're trying to disprove it because you don't want it to be true? Regardless, you must feel to some extent that there is a God because otherwise you wouldn't put so much emotion into denying Him. Please continue asking questions. I will do my best to answer them and I will be praying for you.
masonboyles1 9 months ago
(cont'd)...Jesus, whose miracles are documented Biblically AND by secular historians, performed these miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit. Similarly, he cast out the aforementioned 'evil' spirits on many occasions. The same is true with Paul and the disciples.But may i ask you something? Why are you so eager to reject god's existence? If you don't believe in God, why are you so eager to find more evidence against His existence?
masonboyles1 9 months ago
@masonboyles1 Can you provide documentation, secular of biblical, written by eye witnesses of the miracles of Jesus?
" Regardless, you must feel to some extent that there is a God because otherwise you wouldn't put so much emotion into denying Him."
Regardless, you must feel to some extent that there is not a god because otherwise you wouldn't put so much emotion into proving him.
EndersQuest 9 months ago
(cont'd)...and then put them together to create it? Where is the 'proof' for evolution? Isn't atheism also a superstitious fairy tale?
Truth be told, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Look at how often scientific 'truths' have been accepted as wrong. If you are truly seeking truth, then you would agree that man can't fully understand or explain the world around him. The same goes for God, since God created this world we live in. As for the Holy Spirit: Jesus, whose miracles...
masonboyles1 9 months ago
(cont'd) Where does this come from? In Genesis God breathed the 'breath of life' into humanity- His Holy Spirit. But when man sinned and rejected the Holy Spirit, we became open to the influences of these other spirits I discussed previously.
Is it any more superstitious to believe in evolution? Is it any more superstitious to believe that we came into being randomly and that somehow no higher power created the universe and the building blocks for life, ...
masonboyles1 9 months ago
(cont'd) And the truth is that faith is 'nonsense'- we can't experience God with our limited senses. In our sinful nature, we cannot experience the true glory of God (see the account of Moses when God passed by him in the old testament). God cannot be fully understood by our five senses. But our existence is more than what we see, smell, taste, hear, and touch. We have intuition and emotions. This higher level of self consciousness is what separates us from animals.
masonboyles1 9 months ago
@soneykroket: Just to be clear, if the historical evidence I cited for Jesus's miracles, which he performed in the name of the holy spirit, is 'reli-nonsense', then do you deny all of history? Because if you believe Caesar became emperor of Rome then you ought to believe in the miracles that Jesus performed. Why? Because the very same secular historians who documented Caesar's rise to power also documented the inexplicable acts that Jesus performed.
masonboyles1 9 months ago
(continued from sixth post) Just as there is a Holy Spirit that can enter us, mankind in his fallen nature can also be filled with unclean spirits because man is born into sin (because of Adam and Eve betraying God and following the advice of Satan). But God offers us redemption through His son Jesus Christ, who died for our sins so that we could be reconciled with God.
Well, I hope that answers your questions @mizzcrazejr. (continued)
masonboyles1 9 months ago
@masonboyles1
Prove the hollered spirit exists, preaching muppet.
You talk alot but it's all reli-nonsense.
sonykroket 9 months ago
(continued from fifth post) Where do these doubts come from? Luke 11:24-26 tells us that unclean spirits enter a man and lead him astray. These unclean spirits are the fallen angels who followed Satan in his rebellion against God. Ever since Adam and Eve fell to Satan's temptation in the Garden of Eden and ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, mankind has been subject to the influence of Satan. (continued)
masonboyles1 9 months ago
@masonboyles1
quoting the Bible to prove God is fruitless, I may as well quote LOTR to prove he doesnt - whats the point in using scientific proofs
animesis 8 months ago
(continued from fourth post) When the rich man begs for Abraham to send Lazarus from heaven to warn his brothers to repent and seek God, Abraham replies that if they did not believe Moses and the prophets then even a dead man's resurrection couldn't bring them to faith. You see, we all have doubts- even when the disciples saw Jesus resurrected in the flesh (along with 500 other witnesses) the Bible tells us that "they worshipped, but some still doubted." (continued)
masonboyles1 9 months ago
(continued from third post) The point is that whoever we are, we are all flawed and in need of Gods forgiveness- which He offers through Christ's sacrifice. Whether righteous or rebellious, we are in need of forgiveness (see the parable of the prodigal son).
To answer your last question, God gives us free will to make decisions, and Satan fights to convince us to reject God. Look at Luke 16:31, where Jesus tells the parable of Lazarus. (continued)
masonboyles1 9 months ago
(continued from second post) Second, the church has caused many terrible things. That is because all of humanity is fallen. We are all sinners, and only the grace of God allows us to be forgiven. Many self righteous "Christians" have done terrible, terrible things. Whether righteous or rebellious, we are in need of forgiveness (see the parable of the prodigal son). So have many atheists. That's not the point. (continued)
masonboyles1 9 months ago
(continued from first post) Look at the world we live in. Science does not explain why things happen, it only attempts to explain how they happen in a way that mere humans can understand. And still, science is inexact and often wrong (remember the whole world is flat deal?) Suppose we all just came from a primordial gook and were put together by proteins, carbon, etc. Who put us together? Those are the ingredients, but who was the chef that put them together and created life? (continued)
masonboyles1 9 months ago
Sorry I'm late to the party. @mizzcrazejr asked a lot of great questions, and i'm going to answer them over the next few posts because the answer won't fit on one post. So, here goes:
@mizzcrazejr: first of all, no evidence? The evidence for Christianity is all around us. Read the hundreds of fulfilled prophecies throughout the Old and New Testaments, read the Gospel accounts (and the accounts of secular historians such as Josephus, which confirm Jesus's divine miracles). (continued)
masonboyles1 9 months ago
Fuckin hell, i cant reply to anything because of the YT-bs going on on the comment sections
sonykroket 9 months ago
Even Tacitus referred to Jesus Christ in his historical writings and there can be no denail that Jesus Christ did exist and that His teachings have been of profound influence upon the history of mankind. These fact can hardly be equated with pink unicorns and flying spagetti monsters.
celticfcglasgow 9 months ago
@celticfcglasgow
Facts? Scribblings based on superstion arent facts.
There are NO eyewitness-account of Jebus.
Pay attention, knucklehead.
sonykroket 9 months ago
@sonykroket Are you actually fucking retarded? No eye-witnesses of Jesus Christ? I swear, you people just get more and more stupid. Do some research before you look like an ignorant simpleton.
yermom014 9 months ago
@yermom014 It dosen't really matter when your bullshit religion is not only amongst the most evil, but also nothing but a snowball that rolled over a dozen pagan religions. Your hypocritical contradictory messiah was based of the Pre-Christian God Mithras -Called the Son of God and the light of the world- who was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb and ressurected in three days. Nothing in Christianity is original, even your weekly holy day is stolen from the Pagans.
MegaLolburger 9 months ago
jesus wasnt born on christmas....and there's no easter bunny or santa clause.
mizzcrazejr 9 months ago
@mizzcrazejr It dosen't matter, it's the day the world celebrates his birth.
Also, what has the fact that the Easter bunny and Santa clause are imaginary got to do with anything?
MegaLolburger 9 months ago
@MegaLolburger ahem...they were invented by your god.
mizzcrazejr 9 months ago