violent revolution is the "ONLY" way to dethrone the elite fucks who "REALLY" run this country because they will use everything in their power to keep us out of theyre "BIG MONEY CLUB" i.e. the army, the navy, etc. against us what has "PEACEFULL OCCUPY WALLSTREET" done??? NOTHING... except bring attention to a problem the entire world already knows about...
Many people I speak to about our current problems within our economic system our trapped inside this paradigm of Capitalism. They are unable to think outside the box due to their conditioning. Many have a strong belief in the Capitalist system; it's like a religion. I've focused my attention to people who seem to grasp the concept of an RBE society rather then waste my time with the hardcore Capitalists. We need quantity as far as bringing awarness to this new social change called a RBE.
The bitch in red will not smile as much and remember this interview when everything goes to shit and she can't be sitting there comfortably doing his shitty TV programme.
The problem PJ faces is he proposes too much at once. People are either not ready or already made up their minds that the current flawed system is the best we can ever do. Baby steps is what we need, which will either lead to RBE or whatever else might work.
Jewish Bankers are looting our countires. We must defeat these Jewish Bankers if we want to prevent the destruction of our children's and grandchildren's future.
@RevolutionistThinker - RBE is not about bartering goods and will not bring us back to be cavemen. To fully understand RBE that would allow us to evolve as a civilised world, we need to understand many different disciplines in science and humanities. Our current system of education only trains you to get a job and since "jobs" as we know it today are becoming obsolete as we advance in technology, money as means as exchange is also becoming equally obsolete to distribute resources in a humane way
I like listening to Peter Joseph. I believe RBE is the way to go. We need to leave this monetary system but when I see videos of people fighting over 2 dollar waffle makers and video games it just reminds me that this nicer reality (RBE system) could be very far away. I think change has to come on an individual level. I don't think we can change to a new system the way we are now. I think we change our values first before we can jump to a RBE-like economy.
@bluevision10s YA YA, THATS WHY WE NEED RBE,THE MECHEENS WILL GROW ALL THE POT..BECAUSE THE ROBOTZ WILL DO ALL THE WORK. I QUIT MY JOB, NOW I'M FREE FROM SLAVERY, I SMOKE POT ALL DAY LONG LIVIN IN MY MOMS BASEMENT. IN RBE ROBOTZ WILL CREATE ALL THE POT WE EVER NEED.SO WAKE UP SHEEPLES, DON'T HAVE TO WORK FOR A LIVING,SO WE CAN ALL BE EQUALLY POOR.
OH SHIT, THE CAPS!!!..ANYWAY, MONEY BAD, CAPSLOCK GOOD
@bluevision10s This is why he doesn't advocate that idea of a "beta-test RBE island" and stupid shit like that. With 99% of the population being morons it will be a disaster.
Good to see she's not arguing with him as much this time. Overall, it's pretty amazing that accumulating global economic crisies can bring out a person's better side.
with a system of Equality where everyone is given access to that which enables a dignified and enhanced experience - then the human social patterning will change from division through comparison / jealousy -- to unity in being able to participate in the world in a truly fulfilling way according to one's passion/creativity - with the underlying understanding being that we must do what is best for all / maintain a system that is best for all so all can continue to be given what we need to live
@MattiFreeman1 YA YA, I WATCHED THE ZEITGEIST MOVIE, AND IT OPENED MY EYES,WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO WORK?OTHER PEOPLES SHOULD WORK FOR ME! OH I MEAN, THE MECHEENS WILL WORK FOR ME.AND MACHEENS WILL MAKE THE MACHEENS! AND MACHEENS WILL MAKE THOSE MACHEENS! SEE NO HUMAN LABOR JUST FREE WEED! MONEY IS THE DEVIL,WAKE UP SHEEPLE
OH WAIT,WHAT WAS I TALKING ABOUT??? ..OH YEAH, MONEY BAD ,CAPSLOCK GOOD!
the current system supports the development of thought / emotional patterns of comparison, greed, envy, jealousy - coveting what your neighbor has - and this is within all social levels currently - not just between poor and rich - humans are forced to become money personalities in the current system because survival and having a great life is only possible if you do whatever it takes to find a way to get money / win.
@NwoDispatcher There are vastly more of them, since you have access to everything that's produced, rather than a small subset of products according to your social status and career. Think about how much of the planet you are forbidden from because some guy "owns" it. Think about how many things you will never experience because you cannot afford them. Is that what freedom is?
@TrueSacredRahXephon I think your criticism should be pointed at globalization. Private property is better secured by force of arms, especially because of the skullduggery committed by mercantilists.
"access to everything that is produced"
Food production should be automated, automation is the key to consumer freedom... which is what you're advocating. My hesitation from what Venus Project proposes stems from govt subsidizing life. which can be expanded as popcontrol
@NwoDispatcher Wait, are you under the impression that a resource-based economy involves some form of government? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
Globalization isn't an independent problem, I don't think. It's just the large-scale application of the very system we've been using. In fact, I think globalization is a good thing as far as highlighting the weaknesses of our system. The moment debt was created, it was inevitable that we would be enslaved by it.
@NwoDispatcher NO NO, YOU DON'T GET IT, THE MECHEENS WILL GROW ALL THE POT.THE SEEDS FROM THE WEED WILL BE PICKED UP BY THE MACHEENS WHO WERE BUILT BY OTHER MACHEENS WHO WILL GROW MORE WEED FOR THE OTHER MACHEENS TO PICK UP .SEE ,NO MORE WORK FOR ME ! MONEYS IS THE DEVIL, SO SINCE I DON'T LIKES MONEYS, MY IDEAS ARE GOOD! WAKE UP SHEEPLE. NO MORE SLAVERY!!
SHIT! I FORGOT THE CAPS.!!! ANYWAY, FREE WEED IN THE ZEITGEIST BECAUSE THE MECHEENS SAID SO
common sense is that if an individual freedom allows / creates / gives permission for harm / suffering / inequality / 'winners and losers' - then it is abuse and must not be allowed as it is not best for all
for example if one's private property is only possible through a profit system that profits off the basic needs of others - then it is abuse - as in the current system where the extremely rich can only exist through a system of inequality
@MattiFreeman1 who decides if it is not the best of all? My reservations stand with the delusions that todays technocrats have. Where does raiding raw milk producers stand? After all, they did it to keep "everyone else safe" Or is that just residual capitalists abusing govt power?
If there is a way to decentralize the system and keep its equity sound I would be sold. But not by flowery pseudo-intellectual rhetoric, not to say that yours is.
it is simple mathematics that shows what is best for all - all you must do is consider life - for example, the current system is not best for all because it allows poverty and suffering and starvation if one cannot get money: valuing money not life -- best for all would be to have a system based on valuing all life equal and eliminating circumstances such as competition for survival which mathematically is shown to cause crime and violence and other dysfunction unnecesarily
any system on earth within which humans, animals, and nature are facilitated support / access to the the resources required to function effectively, must be centered around the point of what is best for all - just as the systems in a body function centrally around the ONE point of what is best for the body - all parts as the whole - otherwise there is dysfunction when the system is allowed to be directed in self interest / individual interest
@MattiFreeman1 what system in your borg cube would act as a brain?
Is that a collective thing or an individual/oligarchical thing?
The system you're kicking around could be true if we lived in a closed system. But we dont, the universe... even the earth is infinite. The type of system you're advocating is nothing new, it's a feudal system. The 'King' brain ran it as a top down control scheme.
It's a throwback to the primordial ooze and rejects human cognition and sovereignty.
@NwoDispatcher@NwoDispatcher There is no borg cube. This system proposes global resource management through AI, so there is an element of machine computation -- Computation of environmental necessities to maintain equilibrium (and all the food and goods allocating involved in this) with the environment -- this computational system is a glorified calculator, hooked up to a net of other glorified calculators that analyze relevant environmental data and recommend solutions to these problems using
@NwoDispatcher the scientific method. We know what is in everyone's basic best interest because we have all the same basic physical and environmental needs. This is the baseline of needs that must be met in order to stave off scarcity and allow more equality in all social and societal areas. There have been plenty of studies correlating and demonstrating that more equal societies have less crime, more of a sense of community and belonging, and this lowers the rate of violent crimes not
@NwoDispatcher necessarily associated with money. The technology for these systems is already developed and in use in several areas of industry, shipping/receiving, and economic analysis. Secondly, the earth IS finite. Even with our best human intervention, 5 billion years from now, if not destroyed by an asteroid or other environmental anomaly, the sun will consume the earth. Fact. Even if we somehow found resources we could use/transport in an efficient way from neighboring planets, is that
@NwoDispatcher not more evidence that the earth is not an infinite system that requires replenishment? In any case, we must recognize that at least in the short term (next 200-500 years or so) we have a struggle to repair the earth as best we can and keep a steady equilibrium with it. If we can begin to do this through a global systems approach (much like the human body, where one organ is not more important than another, but has an intelligent computer doling out energy and nutrients
@NwoDispatcher in the proper amounts to maintain balance), then we have taken the first steps toward a sane and balanced system where the whole is taken into account, not just the best players of the economic game. Finally, the CURRENT system is feudal. We have the richest at the top, with varying degrees of hierarchy down to the level of the destitute. There would be no AI brain king in this system -- no kings or leaders, because when we apply the best science we have to solving foundational
@NwoDispatcher problems that affect all, we lessen the need to turn to systems of managing and governing scarcity of the masses by a select group in the guise of "solving social problems" which it has yet to deliver. We are still waiting. When there is no basis for differential advantage, it eventually be rendered obsolete. Re: human cognition - it isn't rejected in an RBE, it is embraced and shared with no monetary or social limitation. Anyone can contribute and make a difference if they choose
@NwoDispatcher Can we really say the same in our system of intellectual and real property ownership, where the idea that makes obsolete an expensive and inefficient system (such as a new prescription drug), is shot down and prevented in the name of profit?
you are part of a collective - you are made of the same dust of the earth as everyone else - and you eat, shit, breathe, piss and have a mind that gets programmed with language by your parents and teachers - just like everyone else
what is best for all is common sense - when we all do what is best for all = give to each other what we'd like for ourselves -- then no matter where you're born / where you are you can live equally in dignity and support
I may be part of the human race collective, but my life doesn't belong to anyone but myself. The problem with pledging my life to a collective is that technocrats are lame humans and no one should be given the right to play god. What is best for all is altruistic and ethical, but not common sense. No matter what system foisted upon society, there will be subversion and resistance.
Build a better system, an optional one, and people will come. Voluntary is key. Put up or shut up.
@MattiFreeman1 but by all means, if you want to solve the starving crisis, I have a solution for you. Get ready for this.
All organisms eat sun energy, whether microbe(largely), plant, herbivore or carnivore... what sustains you is sun energy. more importantly, it's microbe symbiotes that largely create those organic chemicals. The cow ingests celluloid matter and eats 30% microbe protein, 70% fatty acids.
We can digest the unused 90% of sun energy on earth by replicating that.
Any new system must be set up to monitor the basic needs of all participants to ensure all always have their basic needs met
resource allocation must function within a system that does not allow room for opinion and different value systems - the system must function according to what is best for all to ensure all have access to the resources that enable each to develop into the most effective human they are capable of being - self interest must not be allowed to take directive principle
Good to see people actually thinking about this idea and taking it more seriously. Let's not fool ourselves though, the mainstream media will have none of this and the idea is still difficult to convey to people who are completely indoctrinated into this system, not to mention the education necessary to understand all of this is extensive. The whole system is based on an elevated understanding of many things that most people simply don't care to know about and this is why it leads to confusion.
@dontblockmedk So you pick a ton of apples, but the people who sit around all day have rights to the apples you picked? The problem is MANIPULATION of the money/market, not the money/market itself. It sure SOUNDS good, but at the end of the day, its a controlled economy, rationing resources to the people.
@SCPF so enslave the engineers to design and create the robot for you, right? Because they dont deserve more than you for having the intelligence and know how to actually do it. Or the people that build it who do all the heavy lifting while people sit around doing nothing. PJ says that the hard workers and do-nothings deserve the same amount of products at the end of the day. How smart is that?
@quietlike Enslave the engineers? Engineers are already slaves. A scientist that make a freaking nuclear bomb is a slave. A engineer that plans the obsolecense of a device to get the consumption going, for corporation profit is a slave. And who says that most of heavy jobs cant be automated yet, or in a near future? Who says that people got to starve if they can not pay their bills, because the system is designed not to support all its citizens? get real.
@SCPF ok, so enslaving him for the "public good" as in working for nothing, or working for as much as someone who does nothing is ok? I understand planned obsolecense goes on, but an engineer who gets nothing for providing for everyone is slavery also. Replacing it doesnt stop it.
@quietlike It's not slavery if it's voluntary. If the only reason you want to do anything socially useful is to get your little pat on the back for it, maybe you should be doing nothing.
@quietlike How is he working for nothing, when he is getting everything given to him? You are a fucking moron. People today work for nothing and have nothing to show for it when they retire.
@SCPF HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY IDEOLOGY I COPIED FROM AN INTERNET MOVIE?DON'T YOU WANT TO BE FREEE FROM SLAVERY?YOU SEE,I QUIT MY JOB,NOW I'M FREE FROM SLAVERY.LIVING IN MY MOMS BASEMENT.THE MECHEENS WILL GROW ALL THE POT WE EVER NEED,NO MORE SLAVERY.WE HAVE 200 MEMBERS WORLDWIDE AND WE'RE MAKING A HUGE DIFFERENCE...
WAKE UP SHEEPLES,SO WE CAN HAVE RBE & BE EQUALLY POOR.
OH WAIT ! WHAT WAS I SAYING ? OH YEAH, CAPITALISM BAD CAPSLOCK GOOD
@akais5 YOU'RE STUCK IN YOUR OLD WAY OF THINKING CUZ THE MECHEENS WILL DO EVERYTHING FOR US.LOOK AT JAPAN,THEY HAVE ROBOTS THAT WIPE YOUR BUTT WHEN YOU POOP! NO MORE WIPE SLAVERY! AND IN THE FUTURE THEY WILL MAKE REALDOLLS™ WITH ROBOTS IN THEM SO EVEN PROSTITUTION WILL BE ALL MACHEENS! DON'T YOU SEE? MACHEENS CAN DO EVERYTHING AND GIVE YOU A BJ! WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT ROBO-B.J.S?
@akais5 10/10 CUZ FREE WEED IN RBE.DON'T YOU WANT FREE WEED?..I'M GOING TO CALL YOU NAMES AND CRY AD-HOM WHEN YOU RETURN THE FAVOR DUMMY POO-POO FACE HEAD!
It's funny how Ant's work together to build and live among each other without a Monetary System, yet we humans need capital incentives to lift a finger. Truth is, the world has enough resources to end world poverty in a week. Electricity can be given to everyone on earth, water, and free housing can support the world populations and many many 100's of billions more people. For that we must actually work together though, we can send a satellite in space but can't work together, crazy.
Whether its having free-market or a resource based economy, the number one key to having economic prosperity is having economic freedom. Once a country denies its people their basic rights, the country begins to collapse.
@dijournoman the RBE Joseph speaks of, has no property rights. All resources are owned by the state, which is "economized" by machines telling us what's best for us. That's my problem with RBE.
@quietlike keep in mind that saying that resources are 'owned' by the state still assumes the concept of 'owning' resources, which is completely discarded in a RBE. Not only is there no state, there is no ownership, of any kind, social or personal.
Great show, its good to see people talk about solutions that actually address the root problems and propose an alternative that would be sustainable as well as beneficial for all human beings.
Its time to free ourselves from this tyrannical ecocidal monetary system, which its causing most if not all of the suffering and destruction we see in the world.
He is not talking about socialism. A resourced based economy is different and hasn't been tried before and it seems like a good time now to think of new social economic systems, so we can take the next step in evolution and not destroy ourselves. Socialism, capitalism, communism are all based on a monetary market system, that depends on human labor & cycle consumption, and this is what is not working. New concepts are always difficult to accept or understand but does not mean it's impossible.
Absolutely, money is fake, gold is fake. The only things that have inherent worth are food, shelter, energy, and the ability to produce or harvest said resources.
@mcnathan80 Gold remains valuable over time. food spoils, shelter gets knocked down. All the NO MONEY people don't understand what money itself is. Its a good in the market, like anything else, chosen by producers and consumers, as a universal barter item, that they can receive for their work, hold onto over time, then trade for another good that they themselves can't produce. Govt mandated money is NOT a free market money.
@BooLuvsKittie Do you not understand that money is just a more favorable representation of resources? By asking for a resource based economy you are actually suggesting that we go back to the days before fungible assets. This would drastically put limits on manufacturing because not everybody can find an equal item of barter for each item they want. Thee pricing system must be in place for a society as advanced as ours. Without it you would be reduced to bartering cavemen.
This is what will happen!!! FED will print dollars until FED will lose control on the monetary policy..then FED will become IRRELEVANT..and its GAME OVER...
Big up RT for bringing the root causes debate to your channel. Global broadcast next time? There's a ton of people in the UK (and other places I'm sure) who would find this interview interesting.
He know great questions, but he can't answer any. That's why TZM, after all these years and so many members, it's working in reality! Keep going, guys! :)
Lauren I get your response to PrisonerX, I find many times that people just jump in and say stuff without really listening to whats been said. It is like it goes right over their head or they are so tuned to what they think that they don't stop and think what is actually being said. But you were very kind to PrisonerX, touche.
We are like cavemen hitting each other over the heads with clubs over scraps of food, except instead of clubs we have nukes and instead of scraps of food we have oil.
This is pathetic! Ever since we learned to stand up straight we haven't learned a single thing!
Can a resource based economy co-exist (maybe subdivision sized and self sufficient) with sound money (he talks debt, but not about hard money), free markets, and free will? Likely on private land, by choice, simply by being self sufficient and off the grid.
If not, how can you implement such a society without and making everyone in society dependent or using government force? It's centrally planned instead of freely chosen.
Sort of off topic, but watch "The Lightbulb Conspiracy"
It is not centrally planned, it's arrival depends on the level of awarness. When the awarness level reach high percentage of world population (likely will take a long time) the people will smoothly (and voluntarily) transition to a system like RBE because it is the only sane system
@MichaelPZeitgeist Sure it is. You have the machine deciding what is the most efficient use of resources. What I'm saying is, do it on a smaller scale, a model that it works. And why can't it work privately in a real free market (our current regulations wont allow it) capitalist society? And how do make the people who live there not dependent on the system?
If you know better despite how zeitgeist describes RBE than how can i discuss with you?pointless. And Machines are not deciding, period (they are just economizing/give advice based on coordinates given to them by people)
The RBE is a govermentless system, where every single citizen have a say (something like direct democracy) and if you don't want to be part of the system then you can live in forest/ your own comune no one will force you to join.
@MichaelPZeitgeist Just like OWS... YOURE ABOVE debating it. It is run by machines, they decide how and where the resources are used, because they "know better" than humans (even though they are created by humans). I can't live in the forest because your machine controlled economy needs to use and distribute the resources. If you could do it commune style, I have no problem, but when resources run low, and no one trades (evrything free, no money), then your just rationing.
@MichaelPZeitgeist Ok, so if the machines say that we need grapes for food, but the people want grapes for wine, we have cant get wine. Simple example. If its more efficient to use as food, but we WANT wine, then what? Because then we are wasting resources just like we are now. You assume that machines can economize peoples' resources better than they can. And if people decide whats best, how is that govtless? That is govt.
If we face starvation and the only food we have is grapes than the only logical way to use them is to eat them as they are (therefore you keep max nutrition value). You don't need computer for that it is simple logic.
If the people choose to make wine of them then those people are insane and won't arrive in RBE in a first place.
And since we can produce abundance of food for all people than you can have your wine no one will deny you. Computers are just to help us, not rule.
@MichaelPZeitgeist and when that High percentage level gets reached, say 90%, then that 90% steals from and uses govt force (democratically) on the 10% to introduce their RBE. Sorry, just so many flaws in it. The idea is good, and can be dont commune style, but zeitgeist keeps saying that EVERYONE has to be "intelligent" enough to accept it. Im saying do it commune style. Whats wrong with that?
There will be time when mass awarness will be reached, everyone will come to the same conclusion that we live in a world governed by law ( natural law), and we need to change to more sane system that care for the earth = us
I have no problem doing it comune style at first but since you will be doing it in capitalism environment it will not work for long (resource belong to goverment, you need money to buy them and govt can kill your idea if they just want to)
And as i said no one will force anybody to live in RBE, they can create whatever other system they want/ live in forest/ worship pancakes i don't care they are free to do whatever they want and on top of that we will help them if they ask us (like in case of natural disaster). Many systems can coexist together as long as they are non violent (capitalism unfortunetaly isn't, as you see today)
The lazy evil possessed swines won't be bothered to cut $600billions annual military budgets to built roads, schools, hospitals, power plants, factories and farms.. they rather manipulate the financial system, sell more weapons and debts driven the economy into more wars and conflicts abroad..
It strikes me that there is always ONE guy on TZM video comments who brings the lame with a different name. Always same tactic, abuse instead of addressing academic points (cult, retard etc), inability to concede when shown via science or logic that their argument is flawed. Also, they love the old Straw man, Logic Fallacy and Ad Hominem combo. I don't know if it's a new guy every time who thinks "I got this, internet" fresh from reading some paranoid capitalist's blog or what. It's boring
@MrEmpathicus I asked a question and my response was nothing factual but something that is supposed to make us all feel warm and fuzzy inside. Riddle me this: Who will fix the broken water main in the middle of the winter? How will you motivate the qualified person to do it? It is convenient that all the warm, fuzzy rhetoric had been completed in the Z movement but logistically there is no work done. Ive seen the videos- WHERES THE SCIENCE? The Venus project is laughable.
@MrEmpathicus I would love for Peter Joseph to answer hardball questions: How would this currency be implemented-one-world currency? (world inventory is unclear-sovereigns still own it)? Who would control it (algorithms? These can be manipulated, especially by zealots)? How to motivate people to work? If we do what we like, how are the mundane tasks of society going to be completed? If anyone could answer these questions concisely with facts-without the emotion- feel free.
I think you misunderstood PJ and zeitgeist solutions. 1. in resource based economy there is no currency, goods are distributed equally amongst all people 2. there are no countries only one united species without artificialy boundaries that divide us. 3. there would be computer (not ai supercomputer nonsense) that monitors earth resources so we can handle them responsibly. 4. 90% of mundane tasks will be automated, rest of them people will perform with joy to contribute.
@MichaelPZeitgeist 1. Sounds like its straight from the communist manifesto. Proven to be a big failure. You really think centrally planned economies work? 2. No sovereignty= no freedom 3. Computer to regulate everything- is this not the extreme of centrally planned economies 4. Why don't they automate them now?
This is the least robust economic system ever. Instead of listening to PJ, check out Ron Paul.
@rthompsontrucking TZM has admired ron paul for longer than you probably have heard of him.. paul's ideas are good short term. pj is thinking way further than your petty understanding of science and sociology.
@rthompsontrucking PJ is recognized by scientists all over the world. You are a dude who looks at things and judges them with absoluteness and comments knowingly on youtube. TZM might be overly hopeful and optimistic about human nature but comparing them with communism is absurd. Have you even read Marx?
@petepamf Having a computer run everything is the extreme of a centrally planned economy. I have never read Marx but my wife has lived through Communism and I lived in Czech for many years so I am aware of the tenets of Socialism. This philosophy has many parallels and is just another derivative. Lets just say it rhymes.
@rthompsontrucking Well computers certainly helps with your craving for recognition. Where else would you be able spew such obvious shallow thinking such as "No, but my wife's from there and she said it sucks" Nonsense. Leave the critical thinking to people who actually do it.
@petepamf Nice critical retort. I lived there for many years and my wife's family has had first hand experience with the ravages of Socialism. This TZM has the same parallels- share everything, centrally planned economics... it doesn't work. Don't let history get in the way of your thinking though
@rthompsontrucking I noticed you are from Ireland, I think I understand why you think Capitalism doesn't work. It is horrible what the Banksters have done to Ireland.
@rthompsontrucking haha you are really silly, but you know it is my fault that i fall for your "consisely with facts without emotion" talk, you are really projecting and assuming big time.
1. this is not communist central planning each city is autonomous. 2. there would be freedom you didnt see ever on this earth (no taxes, you won't starve to death if you dont have job etc), 3. computer only helps with resource management it is not regulating anything .4 they do look at the rising unemployment.
Most of your questions if not all, ware already answered in the previous zeitgeist movies or the Venus project documentaries. Please see them all before posting more doubt in despair.
Here are some answers:
1. No there will be no one-world currency in a resource basted economy which will actually economize, not waste.
2. People want to learn and they can't do nothing. They will volunteer as they already do!
3. Most of the work today is useless, marketing, countability, etc.
@maxxdamage01 I have watched the videos. The first one was great. The sequels were as good as any other sequel to a movie- a big bust. PJ has built a nice little cottage industry for himself. All this assumptions about human behavior are baseless. I have met a few Zeitgeist followers and almost all are jobless,young and disenfranchised and impressionable. This "system" is vague at best and this "science" you guys refer to is bogus. Jacque Fresco/ PJ are empty suits.
@rthompsontrucking they're not baseless. At first I found it hard to believe but I wasn't so negative so I checked on my own as they advised me. On their site you will find a very good bibliography with books that explain in detail all you need to know. they can't give you so much arguments in a documentary because it would take forever. probably most zeitgeist followers are jobless and young because they have more time to acquire and analyze, until they go to work and resign.
haha "cottage industry" this guy is like big time in debt because he wanted to share this knowledge with people you idiot (yeah name calling is ok now since you shown total ignorance, and a closed mind). All the material about human behaviour came from known scientist, but you are one of those guys that are in "deny" mode, deny deny deny negate negate negate, complain complain complain, good life to you sir but i doubt it can be in this state of mind.
@rthompsontrucking with due respect: the "assumptions" about human behaviour are derived from the works of (and credited to) Prof Robert Sapolski, Dr Gabor Mate, Dr James Gilligan (to name only 3). All eminent men (lecturers, published authors and careers spanning many decades each) in their fields of anthropology, physiology, criminology etc etc. The unfortunate thing is that you aren't jumping on those guys' asses because they're the source, not PJ, me or anyone here.
@MrEmpathicus Ya, and Dr. Ben Bernanke is an expert on the Great Depression, hows he handling it? What about the 100's of "experts" that falsified the climate data known as Climate Gate. Do we use those guys as reference? Keep confirming those biases. Human behaviour is unpredictable, anybody that studies Behavioral finance or trades knows this. We get it- you don't want to work and be self-sufficient or personally responsible and have Robots and other people do the work for you.
@rthompsontrucking I'm extremely happy to work, how's that for unpredictable? Even more so if I'm doing something socially rewarding. I do voluntary work for the local wildlife trust because I'm confirming those biases. All we're seeing from the combined expertise of Bernanke et al is global financial collapse and decreasing quality of life for more and more people. Bringing Climate Gate into it is irrelevant and is an attempted straw man. See top rated comment. Thanks x
@MrEmpathicus Unfortunately, we are not all like you. When your pipe breaks, call in the robots because all the guys that know how to fix it are on the couch ripping bong loads. This fad will fade- it will never, ever, ever happen. Nothing is for free. Keep dreaming while the rest of us get the fuck to work, bust our asses, and make sure you and your pack of hippies don't grind this world to a halt. Most people who bust their asses don't want to share because you don't deserve it.
@rthompsontrucking 1 . The Hypothetical Broken Pipe. Lets say both of us are living in an RBE. Our quality of life far exceeds what we have now. We have both trained to have the skill set to repair and install lets say, pipe that houses electrical cable. The buildings are relatively new and have been built with regard to what is possible rather than cost efficiency. The housing for the cables are made from carbon nanotubes. And has reduced the frequency of repair Cont in 2.
@rthompsontrucking 1. The Hypothetical Broken Pipe. Lets say both of us are living in an RBE. Our quality of life far exceeds what we have now. We have both trained to have the skill set to repair and install lets say, pipe that houses electrical cable. The buildings are relatively new and have been built with regard to what is possible rather than cost efficiency. The housing for the cables are made from carbon nanotube. Cont in 2.
@MrEmpathicus 2. Because the pipes are made from extremely strong material the need for repair guys has diminished considerably. We get to work 10 hours a week if we choose to. Since lack of hours isn't a problem because our standard of living is high regardless, would you use your training to put in a few hours? I would. If we both would that's 100% out of a sample of two. Ask anyone "would you work a shorter week for a higher standard of living?". Who wouldn't?
@MrEmpathicus I don't know what you do for a living but I am one of those greedy business owners that provides jobs. I don't ask anything from anyone and I don't expect shit.I am just as angry with the current economic malaise as you but we have a system that works but the rules have been broken.We don't need a new system, we just need to restore the functions to what they were.Instead of going thru it, just refer to Ron Paul. Zeitgeist is a dream-I wish it was plausible.
@rthompsontrucking Fair play for being an employer in this financial climate. I'm feeling the pinch as a self employed painter and decorator. Have a fair bit of time off, hence the voluntary work. We're going to go through a lot worse and I am up for it if we can start using science instead of opinion to forge a better future. Alas, it's a long haul and I don't think anyone from TZM expects an overnight thing at all. The cultural shift (as they always are) will be gradual.
@MrEmpathicus Don't worry, a Great depression #2 will fix it. Climate change, over-consumption of resources, growth paradigms, social consciousness. There is gonna be way more pain before we decide to enter into any fruitful social contracts that will fix any of these. This system will be around for a while, we don't need a new one. It works fine if we punish the people who break the rules and accept the self-correcting mechanisms.
@rthompsontrucking I'd be happy with that as an intermediate measure towards a total outgrowth of currency. I can't really see it not happening in the future, however far off, if tech continues to grow exponentially. Still, time will tell and we've set our tables out for now. Either way I don't wish you suffering for the coming hardships we will collectively face. I appreciate our conversation staying relatively civil :)
@rthompsontrucking "Ya, and Dr. Ben Bernanke is an expert on the Great Depression, hows he handling it? What about the 100's of "experts" that falsified the climate data known as Climate Gate."
- please consider why experts falsified the climate data in first place? what do you think? ...maybe money? ;)
"Who would control it (algorithms? These can be manipulated, especially by zealots)?"
e.g. you have Maeslantkering at Rotterdam Port. Operation and DECISION is under control of computers (whenever port should be close or not). The decision-making algorithm that sequences storm surge-triggered events in the Maeslantkering is run entirely by computer - no human interference = no corruption in "decision making" ;)
@zarjesve2 OK, I am convinced. We will have computers make all our decisions for us and robots do all the work for us and we can just play all day. Perfect. Makes sense.
@taKenzZzZz so true. and that' funny to see the government is stree about the job creations but forget about the inflation kills all the hard-earned money from people. That's a catch 22.
They also said that the Wright brothers never would fly. You know what happened? The oil companies don't own the sun, which is why solar energy won't kick off, which is again why oil companies deny that climate change is happening to due CO2 emissions. If we don't reduce these emissions by 2015, "irreperable damage" will be done to our planet. Tis is according to the United Nations. Check it out. This system is threatening the only home we have.
How would your resource based economy work if you were trapped on an island and you have no technology? My school of economic thought will still work in this situation.
@bigboywasim "How would your resource based economy work if you were trapped on an island and you have no technology?" asses all resources available and use them in the most effective branches, this is exactly where you can see how effective the resource system would be, your school of economics would do what?
@bladedaemon666 Your system requires technology. My system is free market economics that says production drives the economy. For production you need savings and capital. You have to produce something than you can use it. You cannot access resources without production. It is either a service or product.
@bigboywasim The first plow or wheel was technology. All systems from that point on required some kind of technology, that is the application of science, engineering and resources to create tools to ease human labour (however primitive). If you take money away, the idea and the tool remain. If you lack the resources but lack the ingenuity it doesn't matter how much gold you dangle in front of someone. The most world changing minds have died penniless (Galileo, Tesla, Semmelweis etc)
Yes, you are indeed Lauren Lyster ;)
AlexTronic777 1 month ago
Peter Joseph is a modern day philosopher
artman4444 1 month ago
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violent revolution is the "ONLY" way to dethrone the elite fucks who "REALLY" run this country because they will use everything in their power to keep us out of theyre "BIG MONEY CLUB" i.e. the army, the navy, etc. against us what has "PEACEFULL OCCUPY WALLSTREET" done??? NOTHING... except bring attention to a problem the entire world already knows about...
jd3092003 2 months ago
Many people I speak to about our current problems within our economic system our trapped inside this paradigm of Capitalism. They are unable to think outside the box due to their conditioning. Many have a strong belief in the Capitalist system; it's like a religion. I've focused my attention to people who seem to grasp the concept of an RBE society rather then waste my time with the hardcore Capitalists. We need quantity as far as bringing awarness to this new social change called a RBE.
creamone 2 months ago
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France President, Nicholas Sarkozy ---- Jew
Stevie68000 2 months ago
I have a feeling that those fighting for the $2 waffle-makers aren't going to make the transition into the new system.
djlazlow1 2 months ago
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Enemy of Greece,Ireland,Italy,Spain & USA - Jew
1.Goldman Sachs CEO, Lyold Blankfein- Jew
2.IMF Deputy CEO, John Lisky-Jew
3.Ex IMF CEO,Dominic Strauss-Jew
4.World Bank CEO,Robert Zoellick-Jew
5.Ex World Bank CEO,James Woolfesen-Jew
6.Fed Chairman, Ben Bernanke-Jew
7.Ex Fed Chairman, Alan Greenspan-Jew
8.Obama Treasury Secretary, Tim Geithner-Jew
9.George Bush Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson-Jew
Stevie68000 2 months ago
He kind of owns it here. Such a great talker.
23lFrench 2 months ago
Resource Based Economy!!!!
Fast!
TheDarkFenix 2 months ago
The bitch in red will not smile as much and remember this interview when everything goes to shit and she can't be sitting there comfortably doing his shitty TV programme.
akais5 2 months ago
God. I hate her so much. She is so... Normal. So brainwashed by her reality, she thinks jobs and money are a real thing.
Strangepete 2 months ago
The problem PJ faces is he proposes too much at once. People are either not ready or already made up their minds that the current flawed system is the best we can ever do. Baby steps is what we need, which will either lead to RBE or whatever else might work.
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To : Europeans & Americans
Jewish Bankers are looting our countires. We must defeat these Jewish Bankers if we want to prevent the destruction of our children's and grandchildren's future.
Long live Greece, Ireland, Italy & America
Stevie68000 2 months ago
@RevolutionistThinker - RBE is not about bartering goods and will not bring us back to be cavemen. To fully understand RBE that would allow us to evolve as a civilised world, we need to understand many different disciplines in science and humanities. Our current system of education only trains you to get a job and since "jobs" as we know it today are becoming obsolete as we advance in technology, money as means as exchange is also becoming equally obsolete to distribute resources in a humane way
BooLuvsKittie 2 months ago
I like listening to Peter Joseph. I believe RBE is the way to go. We need to leave this monetary system but when I see videos of people fighting over 2 dollar waffle makers and video games it just reminds me that this nicer reality (RBE system) could be very far away. I think change has to come on an individual level. I don't think we can change to a new system the way we are now. I think we change our values first before we can jump to a RBE-like economy.
bluevision10s 2 months ago
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@bluevision10s YA YA, THATS WHY WE NEED RBE,THE MECHEENS WILL GROW ALL THE POT..BECAUSE THE ROBOTZ WILL DO ALL THE WORK. I QUIT MY JOB, NOW I'M FREE FROM SLAVERY, I SMOKE POT ALL DAY LONG LIVIN IN MY MOMS BASEMENT. IN RBE ROBOTZ WILL CREATE ALL THE POT WE EVER NEED.SO WAKE UP SHEEPLES, DON'T HAVE TO WORK FOR A LIVING,SO WE CAN ALL BE EQUALLY POOR.
OH SHIT, THE CAPS!!!..ANYWAY, MONEY BAD, CAPSLOCK GOOD
hayden50 2 months ago
@bluevision10s This is why he doesn't advocate that idea of a "beta-test RBE island" and stupid shit like that. With 99% of the population being morons it will be a disaster.
akais5 2 months ago
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4.World Bank CEO,Robert Zoellick-Jew
5.Ex World Bank CEO,James Woolfesen-Jew
6.Fed Chairman, Ben Bernanke-Jew
7.Ex Fed Chairman,Alan Greenspan-Jew
8.Obama Treasury Secretary, Tim Geithner-Jew
9.George Bush Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson-Jew
Stevie68000 2 months ago
Good to see she's not arguing with him as much this time. Overall, it's pretty amazing that accumulating global economic crisies can bring out a person's better side.
Angry6676 2 months ago
only 6,000 views....thats a scary reality
marcantoniojoshua 2 months ago
with a system of Equality where everyone is given access to that which enables a dignified and enhanced experience - then the human social patterning will change from division through comparison / jealousy -- to unity in being able to participate in the world in a truly fulfilling way according to one's passion/creativity - with the underlying understanding being that we must do what is best for all / maintain a system that is best for all so all can continue to be given what we need to live
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@MattiFreeman1 YA YA, I WATCHED THE ZEITGEIST MOVIE, AND IT OPENED MY EYES,WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO WORK?OTHER PEOPLES SHOULD WORK FOR ME! OH I MEAN, THE MECHEENS WILL WORK FOR ME.AND MACHEENS WILL MAKE THE MACHEENS! AND MACHEENS WILL MAKE THOSE MACHEENS! SEE NO HUMAN LABOR JUST FREE WEED! MONEY IS THE DEVIL,WAKE UP SHEEPLE
OH WAIT,WHAT WAS I TALKING ABOUT??? ..OH YEAH, MONEY BAD ,CAPSLOCK GOOD!
hayden50 2 months ago
the current system supports the development of thought / emotional patterns of comparison, greed, envy, jealousy - coveting what your neighbor has - and this is within all social levels currently - not just between poor and rich - humans are forced to become money personalities in the current system because survival and having a great life is only possible if you do whatever it takes to find a way to get money / win.
MattiFreeman1 2 months ago 51
@MattiFreeman1 where does it leave individual freedoms... if private property is abolished?
NwoDispatcher 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher There are vastly more of them, since you have access to everything that's produced, rather than a small subset of products according to your social status and career. Think about how much of the planet you are forbidden from because some guy "owns" it. Think about how many things you will never experience because you cannot afford them. Is that what freedom is?
TrueSacredRahXephon 2 months ago
@TrueSacredRahXephon I think your criticism should be pointed at globalization. Private property is better secured by force of arms, especially because of the skullduggery committed by mercantilists.
"access to everything that is produced"
Food production should be automated, automation is the key to consumer freedom... which is what you're advocating. My hesitation from what Venus Project proposes stems from govt subsidizing life. which can be expanded as popcontrol
NwoDispatcher 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher Wait, are you under the impression that a resource-based economy involves some form of government? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
Globalization isn't an independent problem, I don't think. It's just the large-scale application of the very system we've been using. In fact, I think globalization is a good thing as far as highlighting the weaknesses of our system. The moment debt was created, it was inevitable that we would be enslaved by it.
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@NwoDispatcher NO NO, YOU DON'T GET IT, THE MECHEENS WILL GROW ALL THE POT.THE SEEDS FROM THE WEED WILL BE PICKED UP BY THE MACHEENS WHO WERE BUILT BY OTHER MACHEENS WHO WILL GROW MORE WEED FOR THE OTHER MACHEENS TO PICK UP .SEE ,NO MORE WORK FOR ME ! MONEYS IS THE DEVIL, SO SINCE I DON'T LIKES MONEYS, MY IDEAS ARE GOOD! WAKE UP SHEEPLE. NO MORE SLAVERY!!
SHIT! I FORGOT THE CAPS.!!! ANYWAY, FREE WEED IN THE ZEITGEIST BECAUSE THE MECHEENS SAID SO
hayden50 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher
common sense is that if an individual freedom allows / creates / gives permission for harm / suffering / inequality / 'winners and losers' - then it is abuse and must not be allowed as it is not best for all
for example if one's private property is only possible through a profit system that profits off the basic needs of others - then it is abuse - as in the current system where the extremely rich can only exist through a system of inequality
MattiFreeman1 2 months ago
@MattiFreeman1 who decides if it is not the best of all? My reservations stand with the delusions that todays technocrats have. Where does raiding raw milk producers stand? After all, they did it to keep "everyone else safe" Or is that just residual capitalists abusing govt power?
If there is a way to decentralize the system and keep its equity sound I would be sold. But not by flowery pseudo-intellectual rhetoric, not to say that yours is.
NwoDispatcher 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher
it is simple mathematics that shows what is best for all - all you must do is consider life - for example, the current system is not best for all because it allows poverty and suffering and starvation if one cannot get money: valuing money not life -- best for all would be to have a system based on valuing all life equal and eliminating circumstances such as competition for survival which mathematically is shown to cause crime and violence and other dysfunction unnecesarily
MattiFreeman1 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher
any system on earth within which humans, animals, and nature are facilitated support / access to the the resources required to function effectively, must be centered around the point of what is best for all - just as the systems in a body function centrally around the ONE point of what is best for the body - all parts as the whole - otherwise there is dysfunction when the system is allowed to be directed in self interest / individual interest
MattiFreeman1 2 months ago
@MattiFreeman1 what system in your borg cube would act as a brain?
Is that a collective thing or an individual/oligarchical thing?
The system you're kicking around could be true if we lived in a closed system. But we dont, the universe... even the earth is infinite. The type of system you're advocating is nothing new, it's a feudal system. The 'King' brain ran it as a top down control scheme.
It's a throwback to the primordial ooze and rejects human cognition and sovereignty.
NwoDispatcher 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher @NwoDispatcher There is no borg cube. This system proposes global resource management through AI, so there is an element of machine computation -- Computation of environmental necessities to maintain equilibrium (and all the food and goods allocating involved in this) with the environment -- this computational system is a glorified calculator, hooked up to a net of other glorified calculators that analyze relevant environmental data and recommend solutions to these problems using
ashlathelight 2 months ago
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@NwoDispatcher the scientific method. We know what is in everyone's basic best interest because we have all the same basic physical and environmental needs. This is the baseline of needs that must be met in order to stave off scarcity and allow more equality in all social and societal areas. There have been plenty of studies correlating and demonstrating that more equal societies have less crime, more of a sense of community and belonging, and this lowers the rate of violent crimes not
ashlathelight 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher necessarily associated with money. The technology for these systems is already developed and in use in several areas of industry, shipping/receiving, and economic analysis. Secondly, the earth IS finite. Even with our best human intervention, 5 billion years from now, if not destroyed by an asteroid or other environmental anomaly, the sun will consume the earth. Fact. Even if we somehow found resources we could use/transport in an efficient way from neighboring planets, is that
ashlathelight 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher not more evidence that the earth is not an infinite system that requires replenishment? In any case, we must recognize that at least in the short term (next 200-500 years or so) we have a struggle to repair the earth as best we can and keep a steady equilibrium with it. If we can begin to do this through a global systems approach (much like the human body, where one organ is not more important than another, but has an intelligent computer doling out energy and nutrients
ashlathelight 2 months ago
@ashlathelight how often do you cut your hair?
NwoDispatcher 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher in the proper amounts to maintain balance), then we have taken the first steps toward a sane and balanced system where the whole is taken into account, not just the best players of the economic game. Finally, the CURRENT system is feudal. We have the richest at the top, with varying degrees of hierarchy down to the level of the destitute. There would be no AI brain king in this system -- no kings or leaders, because when we apply the best science we have to solving foundational
ashlathelight 2 months ago
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ashlathelight 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher problems that affect all, we lessen the need to turn to systems of managing and governing scarcity of the masses by a select group in the guise of "solving social problems" which it has yet to deliver. We are still waiting. When there is no basis for differential advantage, it eventually be rendered obsolete. Re: human cognition - it isn't rejected in an RBE, it is embraced and shared with no monetary or social limitation. Anyone can contribute and make a difference if they choose
ashlathelight 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher Can we really say the same in our system of intellectual and real property ownership, where the idea that makes obsolete an expensive and inefficient system (such as a new prescription drug), is shot down and prevented in the name of profit?
ashlathelight 2 months ago
@NwoDispatcher
you are part of a collective - you are made of the same dust of the earth as everyone else - and you eat, shit, breathe, piss and have a mind that gets programmed with language by your parents and teachers - just like everyone else
what is best for all is common sense - when we all do what is best for all = give to each other what we'd like for ourselves -- then no matter where you're born / where you are you can live equally in dignity and support
MattiFreeman1 2 months ago
I may be part of the human race collective, but my life doesn't belong to anyone but myself. The problem with pledging my life to a collective is that technocrats are lame humans and no one should be given the right to play god. What is best for all is altruistic and ethical, but not common sense. No matter what system foisted upon society, there will be subversion and resistance.
Build a better system, an optional one, and people will come. Voluntary is key. Put up or shut up.
NwoDispatcher 2 months ago
@MattiFreeman1 but by all means, if you want to solve the starving crisis, I have a solution for you. Get ready for this.
All organisms eat sun energy, whether microbe(largely), plant, herbivore or carnivore... what sustains you is sun energy. more importantly, it's microbe symbiotes that largely create those organic chemicals. The cow ingests celluloid matter and eats 30% microbe protein, 70% fatty acids.
We can digest the unused 90% of sun energy on earth by replicating that.
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ashlathelight 2 months ago
Any new system must be set up to monitor the basic needs of all participants to ensure all always have their basic needs met
resource allocation must function within a system that does not allow room for opinion and different value systems - the system must function according to what is best for all to ensure all have access to the resources that enable each to develop into the most effective human they are capable of being - self interest must not be allowed to take directive principle
MattiFreeman1 2 months ago 14
18:05 best example of sheeple I've ever seen. Sigh...
XSilvenX 2 months ago
Good to see people actually thinking about this idea and taking it more seriously. Let's not fool ourselves though, the mainstream media will have none of this and the idea is still difficult to convey to people who are completely indoctrinated into this system, not to mention the education necessary to understand all of this is extensive. The whole system is based on an elevated understanding of many things that most people simply don't care to know about and this is why it leads to confusion.
XSilvenX 2 months ago 2
Peter looks good.
JoneeChristy 2 months ago
New rules? How about MF fulfill its contractual obligations. If it can't, then it should be punished for its crimes.
bugsz1 2 months ago
PJ is totally awesome.
"Money/market" is ROOT of problems.
Automation & cheap labor = NO JOBS = No consumers = capitalism is over
NOW we can:
1. FREELY Share ALL resources & knowledge worldwide, NO more money/property
2. Use LATEST technology to create an ABUNDANCE of all our needs, NO more waste/theft
3. Automate/localize ALL production and distribution, NO more central control/wage slavery
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dontblockmedk 2 months ago
@dontblockmedk So you pick a ton of apples, but the people who sit around all day have rights to the apples you picked? The problem is MANIPULATION of the money/market, not the money/market itself. It sure SOUNDS good, but at the end of the day, its a controlled economy, rationing resources to the people.
quietlike 2 months ago
Who needs a freaking stupid job, when you got a mind that can generate a robot to do it? get real and get smart people!
SCPF 2 months ago
@SCPF so enslave the engineers to design and create the robot for you, right? Because they dont deserve more than you for having the intelligence and know how to actually do it. Or the people that build it who do all the heavy lifting while people sit around doing nothing. PJ says that the hard workers and do-nothings deserve the same amount of products at the end of the day. How smart is that?
quietlike 2 months ago
@quietlike Enslave the engineers? Engineers are already slaves. A scientist that make a freaking nuclear bomb is a slave. A engineer that plans the obsolecense of a device to get the consumption going, for corporation profit is a slave. And who says that most of heavy jobs cant be automated yet, or in a near future? Who says that people got to starve if they can not pay their bills, because the system is designed not to support all its citizens? get real.
SCPF 2 months ago
@SCPF ok, so enslaving him for the "public good" as in working for nothing, or working for as much as someone who does nothing is ok? I understand planned obsolecense goes on, but an engineer who gets nothing for providing for everyone is slavery also. Replacing it doesnt stop it.
quietlike 2 months ago
@quietlike It's not slavery if it's voluntary. If the only reason you want to do anything socially useful is to get your little pat on the back for it, maybe you should be doing nothing.
TrueSacredRahXephon 2 months ago
@quietlike How is he working for nothing, when he is getting everything given to him? You are a fucking moron. People today work for nothing and have nothing to show for it when they retire.
IAM18YEARSOLDANDOVER 2 months ago
@SCPF HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY IDEOLOGY I COPIED FROM AN INTERNET MOVIE?DON'T YOU WANT TO BE FREEE FROM SLAVERY?YOU SEE,I QUIT MY JOB,NOW I'M FREE FROM SLAVERY.LIVING IN MY MOMS BASEMENT.THE MECHEENS WILL GROW ALL THE POT WE EVER NEED,NO MORE SLAVERY.WE HAVE 200 MEMBERS WORLDWIDE AND WE'RE MAKING A HUGE DIFFERENCE...
WAKE UP SHEEPLES,SO WE CAN HAVE RBE & BE EQUALLY POOR.
OH WAIT ! WHAT WAS I SAYING ? OH YEAH, CAPITALISM BAD CAPSLOCK GOOD
hayden50 2 months ago
@hayden50 Ahh irony using capital leters with that pedantic "it's an utopia" vibe. Gotta love it.
The real utopia is thinking things will go on the way they are. See you in 50 years.
akais5 2 months ago
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@akais5 YOU'RE STUCK IN YOUR OLD WAY OF THINKING CUZ THE MECHEENS WILL DO EVERYTHING FOR US.LOOK AT JAPAN,THEY HAVE ROBOTS THAT WIPE YOUR BUTT WHEN YOU POOP! NO MORE WIPE SLAVERY! AND IN THE FUTURE THEY WILL MAKE REALDOLLS™ WITH ROBOTS IN THEM SO EVEN PROSTITUTION WILL BE ALL MACHEENS! DON'T YOU SEE? MACHEENS CAN DO EVERYTHING AND GIVE YOU A BJ! WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT ROBO-B.J.S?
WAKE UP SHEEPLES ! FREE WEED FOR EVERYONE IN RBE.
ALSO CAPSLOCK MAKES ME RIGHT AND YOU WRONG
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akais5 2 months ago
@hayden50 2/10
akais5 2 months ago
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@akais5 10/10 CUZ FREE WEED IN RBE.DON'T YOU WANT FREE WEED?..I'M GOING TO CALL YOU NAMES AND CRY AD-HOM WHEN YOU RETURN THE FAVOR DUMMY POO-POO FACE HEAD!
hayden50 2 months ago
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There is nothing new about this. It is simply communism that claims it is not communism.
sheepOG 2 months ago
It's funny how Ant's work together to build and live among each other without a Monetary System, yet we humans need capital incentives to lift a finger. Truth is, the world has enough resources to end world poverty in a week. Electricity can be given to everyone on earth, water, and free housing can support the world populations and many many 100's of billions more people. For that we must actually work together though, we can send a satellite in space but can't work together, crazy.
WayneTatum 2 months ago
I love TZM, and support them all the way. As an aside comment..the lady´s pretty hot.
flchange 2 months ago
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1.Goldman Sachs CEO, Lyold Blankfein-Jew
2.IMF Deputy CEO,John Lisky-Jew
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4.World Bank CEO, Robert Zoellick-Jew
5.Ex World Bank CEO, James Wolfesen-Jew
6.Fed Chairman, Ben Bernanke-Jew
7.Ex Fed Chairman, Alan Greenspan-Jew
8.Obama Treasury Secretary, Tim Geithner-Jew
9.George Bush Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson-Jew
Stevie68000 2 months ago
Whether its having free-market or a resource based economy, the number one key to having economic prosperity is having economic freedom. Once a country denies its people their basic rights, the country begins to collapse.
dijournoman 2 months ago
@dijournoman the RBE Joseph speaks of, has no property rights. All resources are owned by the state, which is "economized" by machines telling us what's best for us. That's my problem with RBE.
quietlike 2 months ago
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@quietlike So what do you think should happen?
dijournoman 2 months ago
@quietlike in a resource based economy there is no state. it is essentially anarchistic in that sense.
saydaysago2008 2 months ago
@quietlike keep in mind that saying that resources are 'owned' by the state still assumes the concept of 'owning' resources, which is completely discarded in a RBE. Not only is there no state, there is no ownership, of any kind, social or personal.
saydaysago2008 2 months ago
@quietlike Maybe you should just go and kill yourself, so we can finally have this system that benefits humanity and the planet.
IAM18YEARSOLDANDOVER 2 months ago
Great show, its good to see people talk about solutions that actually address the root problems and propose an alternative that would be sustainable as well as beneficial for all human beings.
Its time to free ourselves from this tyrannical ecocidal monetary system, which its causing most if not all of the suffering and destruction we see in the world.
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Ms. Lyster addressing feedback. Adorable. Great show.
SterlingForreal 2 months ago
Ms. Lyster addressing feedback. Adorable. Great show.
SterlingForreal 2 months ago
Ms. Lyster addressing feedback. Adorable. Great show.
SterlingForreal 2 months ago
He is not talking about socialism. A resourced based economy is different and hasn't been tried before and it seems like a good time now to think of new social economic systems, so we can take the next step in evolution and not destroy ourselves. Socialism, capitalism, communism are all based on a monetary market system, that depends on human labor & cycle consumption, and this is what is not working. New concepts are always difficult to accept or understand but does not mean it's impossible.
BooLuvsKittie 2 months ago 31
@BooLuvsKittie It's not impossible for the average person to accept but it is impossible for the average Jew to accept.
heaviside1618 2 months ago
@BooLuvsKittie
Absolutely, money is fake, gold is fake. The only things that have inherent worth are food, shelter, energy, and the ability to produce or harvest said resources.
mcnathan80 2 months ago
@mcnathan80 Gold remains valuable over time. food spoils, shelter gets knocked down. All the NO MONEY people don't understand what money itself is. Its a good in the market, like anything else, chosen by producers and consumers, as a universal barter item, that they can receive for their work, hold onto over time, then trade for another good that they themselves can't produce. Govt mandated money is NOT a free market money.
quietlike 2 months ago
@BooLuvsKittie Do you not understand that money is just a more favorable representation of resources? By asking for a resource based economy you are actually suggesting that we go back to the days before fungible assets. This would drastically put limits on manufacturing because not everybody can find an equal item of barter for each item they want. Thee pricing system must be in place for a society as advanced as ours. Without it you would be reduced to bartering cavemen.
RevolutionistThinker 2 months ago
@RevolutionistThinker Yeah, because in the days before fungible assets, cavemen had cutting edge technology to automate almost all work.
akais5 2 months ago
@BooLuvsKittie YEEEAAHHH ANARCHISM!
23lFrench 2 months ago
shes hot.
RocheeBoy 2 months ago
Awesome! He nailed it to the bone ;D
petterthowsen92 2 months ago
Good show, Lauren.
Solosohi 2 months ago
The 5 dislikes on this video, on an account about capitalism, shows that people are very open minded here.
BannedUfos 2 months ago
This is what will happen!!! FED will print dollars until FED will lose control on the monetary policy..then FED will become IRRELEVANT..and its GAME OVER...
efadrian 2 months ago
Did this guy predict all the bubbles in the economy many years before they happened because the free market economists did.
bigboywasim 2 months ago
@bigboywasim Finally, someone here is sane. These guys have no answers for you other than some Candyland rhetoric and bubble gum assumptions.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
Yes , I agree Make mandatory Robot Santa , so the Santa's can never Unionize & go on strike
louis12346 2 months ago
Boom PJ strikes again.
Big up RT for bringing the root causes debate to your channel. Global broadcast next time? There's a ton of people in the UK (and other places I'm sure) who would find this interview interesting.
mattfryy 2 months ago
evolution of the mind
freedomdreamzz 2 months ago
He know great questions, but he can't answer any. That's why TZM, after all these years and so many members, it's working in reality! Keep going, guys! :)
TurpentineRec 2 months ago
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Lauren, you really don't have to clear yourself out. We know what you meant on the "BlackFriday" report. Keep up the good work.
wooyooing 2 months ago
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wooyooing 2 months ago
Jon Corzine should spend the rest of his life in jail.
ReviewsByErik 2 months ago
Lauren what happened to the glasses?
GalaktikNinjA 2 months ago
Lauren I get your response to PrisonerX, I find many times that people just jump in and say stuff without really listening to whats been said. It is like it goes right over their head or they are so tuned to what they think that they don't stop and think what is actually being said. But you were very kind to PrisonerX, touche.
colliegirl27 2 months ago
We are like cavemen hitting each other over the heads with clubs over scraps of food, except instead of clubs we have nukes and instead of scraps of food we have oil.
This is pathetic! Ever since we learned to stand up straight we haven't learned a single thing!
Beef1188 2 months ago
Can a resource based economy co-exist (maybe subdivision sized and self sufficient) with sound money (he talks debt, but not about hard money), free markets, and free will? Likely on private land, by choice, simply by being self sufficient and off the grid.
If not, how can you implement such a society without and making everyone in society dependent or using government force? It's centrally planned instead of freely chosen.
Sort of off topic, but watch "The Lightbulb Conspiracy"
quietlike 2 months ago
@quietlike
It is not centrally planned, it's arrival depends on the level of awarness. When the awarness level reach high percentage of world population (likely will take a long time) the people will smoothly (and voluntarily) transition to a system like RBE because it is the only sane system
MichaelPZeitgeist 2 months ago
@MichaelPZeitgeist Sure it is. You have the machine deciding what is the most efficient use of resources. What I'm saying is, do it on a smaller scale, a model that it works. And why can't it work privately in a real free market (our current regulations wont allow it) capitalist society? And how do make the people who live there not dependent on the system?
quietlike 2 months ago
@quietlike
If you know better despite how zeitgeist describes RBE than how can i discuss with you?pointless. And Machines are not deciding, period (they are just economizing/give advice based on coordinates given to them by people)
The RBE is a govermentless system, where every single citizen have a say (something like direct democracy) and if you don't want to be part of the system then you can live in forest/ your own comune no one will force you to join.
Read TZM orientation guide please.
MichaelPZeitgeist 2 months ago
@MichaelPZeitgeist Just like OWS... YOURE ABOVE debating it. It is run by machines, they decide how and where the resources are used, because they "know better" than humans (even though they are created by humans). I can't live in the forest because your machine controlled economy needs to use and distribute the resources. If you could do it commune style, I have no problem, but when resources run low, and no one trades (evrything free, no money), then your just rationing.
quietlike 2 months ago
@MichaelPZeitgeist Ok, so if the machines say that we need grapes for food, but the people want grapes for wine, we have cant get wine. Simple example. If its more efficient to use as food, but we WANT wine, then what? Because then we are wasting resources just like we are now. You assume that machines can economize peoples' resources better than they can. And if people decide whats best, how is that govtless? That is govt.
quietlike 2 months ago
@quietlike
If we face starvation and the only food we have is grapes than the only logical way to use them is to eat them as they are (therefore you keep max nutrition value). You don't need computer for that it is simple logic.
If the people choose to make wine of them then those people are insane and won't arrive in RBE in a first place.
And since we can produce abundance of food for all people than you can have your wine no one will deny you. Computers are just to help us, not rule.
MichaelPZeitgeist 2 months ago
@MichaelPZeitgeist and when that High percentage level gets reached, say 90%, then that 90% steals from and uses govt force (democratically) on the 10% to introduce their RBE. Sorry, just so many flaws in it. The idea is good, and can be dont commune style, but zeitgeist keeps saying that EVERYONE has to be "intelligent" enough to accept it. Im saying do it commune style. Whats wrong with that?
quietlike 2 months ago
@quietlike
There will be time when mass awarness will be reached, everyone will come to the same conclusion that we live in a world governed by law ( natural law), and we need to change to more sane system that care for the earth = us
I have no problem doing it comune style at first but since you will be doing it in capitalism environment it will not work for long (resource belong to goverment, you need money to buy them and govt can kill your idea if they just want to)
MichaelPZeitgeist 2 months ago
@MichaelPZeitgeist
And as i said no one will force anybody to live in RBE, they can create whatever other system they want/ live in forest/ worship pancakes i don't care they are free to do whatever they want and on top of that we will help them if they ask us (like in case of natural disaster). Many systems can coexist together as long as they are non violent (capitalism unfortunetaly isn't, as you see today)
MichaelPZeitgeist 2 months ago
the news reporter lady is always a bitch
thedarkcow64 2 months ago
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The lazy evil possessed swines won't be bothered to cut $600billions annual military budgets to built roads, schools, hospitals, power plants, factories and farms.. they rather manipulate the financial system, sell more weapons and debts driven the economy into more wars and conflicts abroad..
mohalishaf 2 months ago
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mohalishaf 2 months ago
It strikes me that there is always ONE guy on TZM video comments who brings the lame with a different name. Always same tactic, abuse instead of addressing academic points (cult, retard etc), inability to concede when shown via science or logic that their argument is flawed. Also, they love the old Straw man, Logic Fallacy and Ad Hominem combo. I don't know if it's a new guy every time who thinks "I got this, internet" fresh from reading some paranoid capitalist's blog or what. It's boring
MrEmpathicus 2 months ago 16
@MrEmpathicus I asked a question and my response was nothing factual but something that is supposed to make us all feel warm and fuzzy inside. Riddle me this: Who will fix the broken water main in the middle of the winter? How will you motivate the qualified person to do it? It is convenient that all the warm, fuzzy rhetoric had been completed in the Z movement but logistically there is no work done. Ive seen the videos- WHERES THE SCIENCE? The Venus project is laughable.
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rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@MrEmpathicus I would love for Peter Joseph to answer hardball questions: How would this currency be implemented-one-world currency? (world inventory is unclear-sovereigns still own it)? Who would control it (algorithms? These can be manipulated, especially by zealots)? How to motivate people to work? If we do what we like, how are the mundane tasks of society going to be completed? If anyone could answer these questions concisely with facts-without the emotion- feel free.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking
I think you misunderstood PJ and zeitgeist solutions. 1. in resource based economy there is no currency, goods are distributed equally amongst all people 2. there are no countries only one united species without artificialy boundaries that divide us. 3. there would be computer (not ai supercomputer nonsense) that monitors earth resources so we can handle them responsibly. 4. 90% of mundane tasks will be automated, rest of them people will perform with joy to contribute.
MichaelPZeitgeist 2 months ago
@MichaelPZeitgeist
if you want to learn more go to zeitgeist movement main site, there only so much room here to explain.
MichaelPZeitgeist 2 months ago
@MichaelPZeitgeist 1. Sounds like its straight from the communist manifesto. Proven to be a big failure. You really think centrally planned economies work? 2. No sovereignty= no freedom 3. Computer to regulate everything- is this not the extreme of centrally planned economies 4. Why don't they automate them now?
This is the least robust economic system ever. Instead of listening to PJ, check out Ron Paul.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking TZM has admired ron paul for longer than you probably have heard of him.. paul's ideas are good short term. pj is thinking way further than your petty understanding of science and sociology.
petepamf 2 months ago
@petepamf Petty huh? Enlighten me on the virtues of a centrally planned economy.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking PJ is recognized by scientists all over the world. You are a dude who looks at things and judges them with absoluteness and comments knowingly on youtube. TZM might be overly hopeful and optimistic about human nature but comparing them with communism is absurd. Have you even read Marx?
petepamf 2 months ago
@petepamf Having a computer run everything is the extreme of a centrally planned economy. I have never read Marx but my wife has lived through Communism and I lived in Czech for many years so I am aware of the tenets of Socialism. This philosophy has many parallels and is just another derivative. Lets just say it rhymes.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking Well computers certainly helps with your craving for recognition. Where else would you be able spew such obvious shallow thinking such as "No, but my wife's from there and she said it sucks" Nonsense. Leave the critical thinking to people who actually do it.
petepamf 2 months ago
@petepamf Nice critical retort. I lived there for many years and my wife's family has had first hand experience with the ravages of Socialism. This TZM has the same parallels- share everything, centrally planned economics... it doesn't work. Don't let history get in the way of your thinking though
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@petepamf I guess you are implying that Socialism is good?
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking I noticed you are from Ireland, I think I understand why you think Capitalism doesn't work. It is horrible what the Banksters have done to Ireland.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking haha you are really silly, but you know it is my fault that i fall for your "consisely with facts without emotion" talk, you are really projecting and assuming big time.
1. this is not communist central planning each city is autonomous. 2. there would be freedom you didnt see ever on this earth (no taxes, you won't starve to death if you dont have job etc), 3. computer only helps with resource management it is not regulating anything .4 they do look at the rising unemployment.
MichaelPZeitgeist 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking
Most of your questions if not all, ware already answered in the previous zeitgeist movies or the Venus project documentaries. Please see them all before posting more doubt in despair.
Here are some answers:
1. No there will be no one-world currency in a resource basted economy which will actually economize, not waste.
2. People want to learn and they can't do nothing. They will volunteer as they already do!
3. Most of the work today is useless, marketing, countability, etc.
maxxdamage01 2 months ago in playlist Revolution
@maxxdamage01 I have watched the videos. The first one was great. The sequels were as good as any other sequel to a movie- a big bust. PJ has built a nice little cottage industry for himself. All this assumptions about human behavior are baseless. I have met a few Zeitgeist followers and almost all are jobless,young and disenfranchised and impressionable. This "system" is vague at best and this "science" you guys refer to is bogus. Jacque Fresco/ PJ are empty suits.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking they're not baseless. At first I found it hard to believe but I wasn't so negative so I checked on my own as they advised me. On their site you will find a very good bibliography with books that explain in detail all you need to know. they can't give you so much arguments in a documentary because it would take forever. probably most zeitgeist followers are jobless and young because they have more time to acquire and analyze, until they go to work and resign.
maxxdamage01 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking
haha "cottage industry" this guy is like big time in debt because he wanted to share this knowledge with people you idiot (yeah name calling is ok now since you shown total ignorance, and a closed mind). All the material about human behaviour came from known scientist, but you are one of those guys that are in "deny" mode, deny deny deny negate negate negate, complain complain complain, good life to you sir but i doubt it can be in this state of mind.
MichaelPZeitgeist 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking with due respect: the "assumptions" about human behaviour are derived from the works of (and credited to) Prof Robert Sapolski, Dr Gabor Mate, Dr James Gilligan (to name only 3). All eminent men (lecturers, published authors and careers spanning many decades each) in their fields of anthropology, physiology, criminology etc etc. The unfortunate thing is that you aren't jumping on those guys' asses because they're the source, not PJ, me or anyone here.
MrEmpathicus 2 months ago 16
@MrEmpathicus Ya, and Dr. Ben Bernanke is an expert on the Great Depression, hows he handling it? What about the 100's of "experts" that falsified the climate data known as Climate Gate. Do we use those guys as reference? Keep confirming those biases. Human behaviour is unpredictable, anybody that studies Behavioral finance or trades knows this. We get it- you don't want to work and be self-sufficient or personally responsible and have Robots and other people do the work for you.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking I'm extremely happy to work, how's that for unpredictable? Even more so if I'm doing something socially rewarding. I do voluntary work for the local wildlife trust because I'm confirming those biases. All we're seeing from the combined expertise of Bernanke et al is global financial collapse and decreasing quality of life for more and more people. Bringing Climate Gate into it is irrelevant and is an attempted straw man. See top rated comment. Thanks x
MrEmpathicus 2 months ago
@MrEmpathicus Unfortunately, we are not all like you. When your pipe breaks, call in the robots because all the guys that know how to fix it are on the couch ripping bong loads. This fad will fade- it will never, ever, ever happen. Nothing is for free. Keep dreaming while the rest of us get the fuck to work, bust our asses, and make sure you and your pack of hippies don't grind this world to a halt. Most people who bust their asses don't want to share because you don't deserve it.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking 1 . The Hypothetical Broken Pipe. Lets say both of us are living in an RBE. Our quality of life far exceeds what we have now. We have both trained to have the skill set to repair and install lets say, pipe that houses electrical cable. The buildings are relatively new and have been built with regard to what is possible rather than cost efficiency. The housing for the cables are made from carbon nanotubes. And has reduced the frequency of repair Cont in 2.
MrEmpathicus 2 months ago
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@rthompsontrucking 1. The Hypothetical Broken Pipe. Lets say both of us are living in an RBE. Our quality of life far exceeds what we have now. We have both trained to have the skill set to repair and install lets say, pipe that houses electrical cable. The buildings are relatively new and have been built with regard to what is possible rather than cost efficiency. The housing for the cables are made from carbon nanotube. Cont in 2.
MrEmpathicus 2 months ago
@MrEmpathicus 2. Because the pipes are made from extremely strong material the need for repair guys has diminished considerably. We get to work 10 hours a week if we choose to. Since lack of hours isn't a problem because our standard of living is high regardless, would you use your training to put in a few hours? I would. If we both would that's 100% out of a sample of two. Ask anyone "would you work a shorter week for a higher standard of living?". Who wouldn't?
MrEmpathicus 2 months ago
@MrEmpathicus I don't know what you do for a living but I am one of those greedy business owners that provides jobs. I don't ask anything from anyone and I don't expect shit.I am just as angry with the current economic malaise as you but we have a system that works but the rules have been broken.We don't need a new system, we just need to restore the functions to what they were.Instead of going thru it, just refer to Ron Paul. Zeitgeist is a dream-I wish it was plausible.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking Fair play for being an employer in this financial climate. I'm feeling the pinch as a self employed painter and decorator. Have a fair bit of time off, hence the voluntary work. We're going to go through a lot worse and I am up for it if we can start using science instead of opinion to forge a better future. Alas, it's a long haul and I don't think anyone from TZM expects an overnight thing at all. The cultural shift (as they always are) will be gradual.
MrEmpathicus 2 months ago
@MrEmpathicus Don't worry, a Great depression #2 will fix it. Climate change, over-consumption of resources, growth paradigms, social consciousness. There is gonna be way more pain before we decide to enter into any fruitful social contracts that will fix any of these. This system will be around for a while, we don't need a new one. It works fine if we punish the people who break the rules and accept the self-correcting mechanisms.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking I'd be happy with that as an intermediate measure towards a total outgrowth of currency. I can't really see it not happening in the future, however far off, if tech continues to grow exponentially. Still, time will tell and we've set our tables out for now. Either way I don't wish you suffering for the coming hardships we will collectively face. I appreciate our conversation staying relatively civil :)
MrEmpathicus 2 months ago
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@rthompsontrucking "Ya, and Dr. Ben Bernanke is an expert on the Great Depression, hows he handling it? What about the 100's of "experts" that falsified the climate data known as Climate Gate."
- please consider why experts falsified the climate data in first place? what do you think? ...maybe money? ;)
zarjesve2 2 months ago
@rthompsontrucking
Again, please see all these documentaries and you will understand.
maxxdamage01 2 months ago in playlist Revolution
@rthompsontrucking
"Who would control it (algorithms? These can be manipulated, especially by zealots)?"
e.g. you have Maeslantkering at Rotterdam Port. Operation and DECISION is under control of computers (whenever port should be close or not). The decision-making algorithm that sequences storm surge-triggered events in the Maeslantkering is run entirely by computer - no human interference = no corruption in "decision making" ;)
zarjesve2 2 months ago
@zarjesve2 OK, I am convinced. We will have computers make all our decisions for us and robots do all the work for us and we can just play all day. Perfect. Makes sense.
rthompsontrucking 2 months ago
Peter Joseph kills it!
islakay 2 months ago 7
GAME OVER
loves2animate 2 months ago
my stock numbers?
shov it, baby
loves2animate 2 months ago
As long as the price of food is money, and not human need, poverty and human suffering will always be with us.
taKenzZzZz 2 months ago
@taKenzZzZz so true. and that' funny to see the government is stree about the job creations but forget about the inflation kills all the hard-earned money from people. That's a catch 22.
wooyooing 2 months ago
They also said that the Wright brothers never would fly. You know what happened? The oil companies don't own the sun, which is why solar energy won't kick off, which is again why oil companies deny that climate change is happening to due CO2 emissions. If we don't reduce these emissions by 2015, "irreperable damage" will be done to our planet. Tis is according to the United Nations. Check it out. This system is threatening the only home we have.
taKenzZzZz 2 months ago 3
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How would your resource based economy work if you were trapped on an island and you have no technology? My school of economic thought will still work in this situation.
bigboywasim 2 months ago
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@bigboywasim "How would your resource based economy work if you were trapped on an island and you have no technology?" asses all resources available and use them in the most effective branches, this is exactly where you can see how effective the resource system would be, your school of economics would do what?
bladedaemon666 2 months ago
@bladedaemon666 Your system requires technology. My system is free market economics that says production drives the economy. For production you need savings and capital. You have to produce something than you can use it. You cannot access resources without production. It is either a service or product.
bigboywasim 2 months ago
@bigboywasim The first plow or wheel was technology. All systems from that point on required some kind of technology, that is the application of science, engineering and resources to create tools to ease human labour (however primitive). If you take money away, the idea and the tool remain. If you lack the resources but lack the ingenuity it doesn't matter how much gold you dangle in front of someone. The most world changing minds have died penniless (Galileo, Tesla, Semmelweis etc)
MrEmpathicus 2 months ago