No conquest should come from Bgs at all if you want arena gear then learn your class as well as other classes and go do arenas for conquest...don't get carried in a bg to get good gear and act pro
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I think its an awesome change! Being a casual player myself, I think it gives us a chance to get the gear and compete with the hardcore players. Just because we r casual doesn't mean we don't posses the skill to compete. Now we can. Also to any hardcore players who say the casual players are crying, it would b just the opposite. Don't b afraid that us casual peeps may give u some competition. I would think this change should. Welcomed by all. Just means new compitition.
The CASUAL PLAYER is killing this game... They cry and bliz listens they want the gear, but they do not want to work for it. Their lazy to say the least and will tell you they have to work alot or their to busy to grind it out. The problem with that is you see them running around sw in trade chat complaining about how everything is to hard for them. I think bliz said to hell with and just give them the gear, becasue their not gonna do a dang thing with anyway.
@remadie1 THANK YOU! this is why i quit shortly after Cata... Wotlk was to easy i want to see the noobs who cried about Uld and ToC being to hard... i would love to put them in black wing lair or Naxx classic.
I think that it sud be possible to have a long time grinding gear for tho that loves pvp and have to mots extra time can get. and the casual pvp player got another type of set that is easier to get, but.. here it comes, they got the same type of stat's and therefor it is not unfair for a casual sins the stats are the same. the difference will be something like a marker, or a different color, or maybe a special flag on your back. that way hardcore pvp players can show them self a bit off
@funnycrewGTD Completely agree, he acts like hes something special, not trying to be a hater or nothing. I just cannot stand the dude anymore. Thinks hes pro cause he can nuke some people in a random BG, and talk over a wanna-be tactic video.
I think it is bull shit that people who never joined an arena will get the arena gear.. Its not right... They dont deserve something that they work for. People who do arenas work for their conquest gear... I think maybe 50 points daily would but no more after that.. You shouldnt award players for something they didnt work for... Its just not fair
i think that the changes from the 4.3 update are necessary to keep WoW fresh and the players entertained. but, i have to agree with hitmanblood (even though i'm a casual player) regarding that the upcoming changes may piss off the veteran players. but, this game is about being "original" and not about playing the same character that JoeNoob is playing. i play WoW because i want to have fun. i dont mind if another player's char has better gear than my char. THEY EARNED IT.
I'm a pvp grinder and i'm not sure how i feel yet because it does help me get my pvp gear faster and all but i'm going to agree that the "noobs" or non-grinders can wear the same gear as me. This is like me going into Fireland ina pvp set, i'm gonna get hated on fast.* kinda off topic* but i have mixed feeling atm on the conquest. my guess is i will like it becuase it will help me get my gear faster and i'll still be able to get the Elite gear for being rated in arenas and your nongrinder wont
All there is to say about this topic is if we are all special then soon no one is special. Arenas will die off if there is no reason to be there and nothing left to strive for. I have not played wow a long time but since I have been here they have made it increasing easy for anyone to get anything without much work or effort which is quickly turning me away from this game. I feel its really hard to feel the sence of accomplishment when everything is handed to me.
And i agree with Hitmans point with kids just doing bg's to get their conquest points so they can show off their shiny new season 12 arena gear from just doing random bgs. But its not like getting the standard arena cap is hard anyways.. all you have to do is twos and you can get it in less then 30 mins if your at a low mmr
As long as they have divided gear sets conquest and then an upgraded conquest gear there is no issue at all.
PS: guys this doesn't change anything as it stands you can hit your cap each week with no arena or RBG's just turn Valor points into conquest so the complaint is really a moot point.... Just saying
Also RBG's and Arena increase your cap... so you still have a HUGE advantage. RBG's FOR LIFEEEEEE
I don't agree that the best gear should be given to the general public. That's what the honor gear is for. Make specific arena gear that requires skill to get. Somewhere around 1800-1900.
MMR reset is brilliant, we've been stuck at ~1980 team fighting 2250+MMR teams most of this season. I disagree greatly with the conquest from Random BGs however; Conquest gear is a reward from arena, not grinding randoms hoping for a decent random comp.
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As a casual player, i think the change is good. Arena is boring, really boring. Arena/rbg STILL give more conquest points making it faster to get gear than battlegrounds. And @ hitmandblood; some people, just like me, hate arena. And why should someone have to do something they hate to get the good gear? why can't they do something that they enjoy (battlegrounds)? It is a game, play how you want to play. I understand his point tho.
@warnick150 You get previous seasons gear for Honor, this is like rewarding top tier raid gear for completing the old raids; for years wearing the latest season has proven (somewhat) you're a skilled PvPer, now anyone with an excessive amount of time can just cap themselves?
@ManMadeMechanics they earned it didn't they? if they do that many bgs, which would take longer than if they rbg or arena, why shouldn't the said person not be able to get the same items that someone who enjoys arenas?
I agree with Hitmanblood bad players who only do random bgs should not get the same gear as the people who do arena and rbgs just a stupid way for blizzard to suck up to the casual players for more subscribers
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Conquest from doing random bg is a great idea allows players who are more casual but do pvp the chance to get some better pvp gear. Players who do arena wont be effected with what hitman said about players who dont " work hard " comming up and saying look how much resil i have, becuase a random bg takes on average 15mins + to complete and only 1 side will win so the players will have to grind for these points therefore work hard will be key i sense the elitest attitude from hitman looks bad dude
@Gsdizzle19 well, it makes people that actually have less skill to be kind of "better".
that means that for example if u just ding 85, and u are let's say a noob, but you win battlegrounds and get good gear. at the end u are still a noob but with shiny nice gear. means u will not do things that people expect you do in terms of knowledge and skill.
I like the increased conquest for bgs. I'm a casual player, so even if I'm in the same gear as someone who has a high MMR, they will beat me and that is fine. I just want to be able to get the gear (gives a sense of accomplishment when you get that new piece of gear).
The conquest changes are great. I'm thinking of resubbing now. I love BG's. Hate arenas. Assembling rated BG teams takes way too long. As a primarily PvP player, I strongly approve of this change.
I stopped playing WoW awhile ago i do keep track in general what is going on in the game but mainly WoW has become a game it seems like people play the game because their friends are playing it
the PvP system is not very good if you want a competative PvP game where you control one char play HoN, LoL, or Dota.
blizzard needs to do a revamp of the entire pvp system but with a game this old it seems as if they should just wait until their "secret" mmo to do so
Conquest points income: i like this idea. i have other hobbies and things to do. i dont have time to be on at every scheduled rated bg or arena time for a team. im an oldschool player, i wish they returned some of the bgs the the originals personally, like AV (how long since u seen all the npc's get spawned by players anymore) its no longer pvp. saying random bg is not deserving is not cool imo cause to get the highest lvl gear u need ratings 1st of all, 2nd rated gets points faster=gear faster
@TheGabesnell just adding a little to my original post. when is pvp gonna be fun and actual pvp again? i agree that ally and horde is not usually balanced but still what happened to AV? world pvp? i remember 60 vs 60 world pvp in ss and tm and even bigger sometimes on the cities and im on a pretty old server who has somehow managed to have a close to low pop. (im alliance) when i or anyone said, hordies gankin in goldshire or somethin it was a brawl. i think they need to completely 180 pvp...
I think i am gona like this new system. I am in a pve raiding guild and i only doing pvp when i am pve points capt or if ther is nothing els to do. So now i never need feel that i never gona have time to get thos awesome higher lvl pvp gear just becous i dont doing pvp all the time.
I'm either grinding arena for conquest or bgs for conquest. I prefer bgs honestly. So in the end its a grind either way. Everyone should grind how they want. Better players will still be better now matter the gear.
I feel like these changes just make skill more prominent in pvp. You can have all the gear in the world, but if you suck at at an arena, bg, whatever, you're not going to have the rating or the elitest feel that a true skillful player will have. I feel like ratings will still give those competitive players that edge and feel of elitism that they want/deserve
good, i love the idea of conquest from bg, it helps us players who miss the classic wow pvp and only do bg, i hate having to run the same arenas over and over with the same people
This is a really good change, a person who does bg's can never hold up to someone who plays arena competitively. Having geared bg heroes in arena will not affect pvp at all, as most ppl know gear has very little effect on rating's since everyone has the same gear. If you bg all day like you deserve the same gear as someone who does 5-7 arenas a week. just my 2 cents.
It would be better if blizzard would introduce a ladder, or league system, based on wib rate and performance, to match casuals with casuals, and hardcores with hardcores, giving each group the currency that will fit to their level (higher league players will get better items eventually with higher rating currency). Also, it should be made possible for every player to see what the rating of yhat playrr is, so that even if they have decent gear, you will still be abke to see that they are in a lo
I love Hengest, but I agree with Hitmanblood here.
There is still that competitive aspect in Arena gameplay. And people that don't want to dedicate themselves to arenas or rated BGS, don't deserve the conquest. As this is the part of PVP that is the most competitive, and virtually the only part Ruthless is fully helpful in. All they're doing is trying to make Pug BGS competitive. Which is basically like Random Heroics, compared to raiding. World PvP isn't going to rise out of it's hole soon.
@Yessacmidnight You're right on both levels. The thing that killed World PvP and it's been said before, was flying mount. How are players going to come in contact with each other if they are flying several feet off the ground pretty much safe. Your part about balancing randoms and its comparison to Heroics and Raids, not fully accurate there but it some what works to that end.
I'm for the change in the bg conquest thing cuz I it's not eassy to find people that want to progress in arena and when you do then it the problem is that you teammates arnt online when 2 of you are and you need the 3rd person. Sometimes you just have to pass the time by doing some bg's and warming up, so might as well get some conquest while your waiting.
They really should earn the same gear but the gear look different or have different colors so the person who does arenas looks different then the person who just does random bgs. I do arenas and hate it 2v2 isn't as fun as 10v10 or more.
the changes are good b/c not many people can handle arena's b/c at times it can be many time more hectic than bgs, and why do we have to constrict people in to doing /2 lf 2s for points? . i can see why this change was made. as for the mmr reset, if you good you'll get high rating , but you have to work hard at it. if you suck... welll you suck.. not much too it gg
doesnt arena give titles and ranks. where as random bg's dont. surely if you're wanting to prove you're the best in your class you will work at arenas and be on a rank system which proves you're better then the person who is getting gear from random bg's in itself. so your point doesnt really make sense to me Hitman. I could be wrong about the rank system, only ever pve so i dont know.
i think it's cool they're giving conquest for random bg's because it would give people who are doing bg's more of a reason to try and win a game than just standing in mid farming kills trying to be the best in the game and actually put in some team work make bg's more fun!
The bit about having the super gearscore is a good point, but to be honest, anyone who has 2-3k gold on most servers can simply buy the gear that will give them the edge and quite a bit of the crafted gear is for PvP. It's not always about the Gearscore either, it's also about the skill. The proper keybind/macro combos are required to put yourself at your very best and the simple change of adding those in and rebinding my keys gave me nearly a 30% dps boost.
Gotta go with Hengest on all of his statements. All I'm really hearing from Hitman is he's pissed that someone with a job and family with less WoW time can aquire the same gear. Hitman, shame on you.
Hitman, you seem to overlook that people arent earning higher rating by just doing random BGs, so people who put in the effort will get the gear faster. Agree with almost everything Hengest said tbh
Gear doesnt account for skill.... So stop whining about the casuals getting the gear because In The end the best will rise to the top regardless... Learn how to play the game well rather then talk about those who don't.... Hengest Had the best statements. 100% agree with him!
If they can make it easy to get ruthless by just giving out conquest points. they should give the PVPers let do random dungeons and get Valor Points. that seems fair to me.
The issue with earning CP level gear is u have to be active in the more competitive pvp. With this change, some one with limited time can get the gear that allows them to compete with the best. Now the winner will be based on their skill.
I love the new patch people can say they have the best gear and rip on others but when those others show them up in a dual or an actual arena match is when that person will learn ok I gotta get good if I wanna talk like this I'm sitting in season 9 gear and destroying the DMg charts in random bgs and I am a warrior I don't even need the berserker buff I rely on pure past skills that I've had from playing 2k in both 2s3sand5s it's totally up to whoever is willing to get better at pvp and who kno
Lol. Hengest. STFU thats the whole reason why we play arenas, because we want to be better then everyone else. and i remember when i was a low lvl and i saw someone with full ruth or whatever, i was inspired. i didn't get pissed off because i cant have that gear right now. i wanted to earn my way up to that ear. THAT'S FUN!
not agreeing with hitman on the grinding part, its just as easy to get conquest doing arena, probably even easier then BGs cause of the large number of people not taking BGs too serious. think of it this way, its just another way of getting the conquest gear. and if you wanna show of with conquest gear and you mean its such a hazzle to get now adays, then you allways have the tier 2 set for achieving 2.2k rating which you cant get from doing BGs even if you recieve conquest points
Going back to when hitman said somone who just does his daily BGs to get the ruthless gear dont people who grind arena get the elite ruthless gear so, thier will still be some good out of grinding arenas and rated BGs to still be able to get that higher level of gear.
This while change almost nothing. Those who grind will have better gear yes, but its not like their skill level will be near that of a Rank 1 Glad. The competitive nature or arenas is what draws people back time and time again, same with RBG's. Its the feeling of winning and stomping your opponent. If you want to be casual so be it, but the feeling of being the best because you worked for it is second to none.
Bads will always be bads, even if they get geared through randoms BGs, their achieves will still show they arent 'good' ebough to play with. I think this is a great change for gearing out new chars. I have multiple warriors and gearing them has been a pain. this is a great fix.
i dunno about a MMR reset, but i dont think player should be able to have a 50/50 W/L and keep there rank 1 title, i dont think thats a good system
for the BG daily thing, who cares? people who try and grind there gear will have and it and be better then someone who takes 4 months to get the same gear doing dailys, its still a little bit skill based
i agree with both of them, they made logical points and lets just see what happens, no sence bitching when we dont have it to try it
Wow.... Alright Hengest, he's taking the total Nancy pansie side of this, of course there should be a good tier of pvp gear and a lesser. Maybe I should cry that Raiders shouldn't have heroic gear? "its not fair, that's mean and they are bragging"
Hengest is pretty spot on. The game in relation to pvp is broke all to hell. Why not make it so all the gear is the same? Skill is what matters then. I know if I go in my pve gear into a arena I will get blown up, but if I go in my arena/rbg gear gl killing me. Yeah, the skill did not change, only the gear but the outcome is totally 180 degrees. Make pvp about skill and take the gear out of it.
For those people say pvp gear is not important, in pvping, you must be joking to yourself, for example a full elite pvp gear vs a full pve gear, who will win? Ask yourself.
Specifically on the battlegrounds giving conquest, I must agree with Hengest, though I'd like to add that PvP should be about skill, not simply who has the best gear. Hitmanblood mentioned that he didn't want to see someone who only did random BGs coming up to him thinking they had 'skill' because of their gear. Though, more likely than not, an arena player would still win in a small team fight based on skill rather than a large gear differential. PvP should be about skill, not who has more gear
I totally disagree with hitman. Pvp should NOT, be about gear... it should be about skill and only skill. Giving everyone the same amount of gear makes it all about skill. We have all dueled someone, beat them and then they say ' i don't have much pvp gear, if i had some gear i would beat you'. Pve is about gear, pvp is not. But whatever, he wont read this :)
Some people are great players but dont have the time to sit ana play arenas all day. And some people like to play by them selves. The change will give thouse people a chance to get the gear they deserve but couldent get before. But I see the point that people that arent real good at the game will get the good gear also. I dont think theres a good fix for every player. There needs to be a happy medium.
The only difference now will be that if a skilled Arena player meets a newish player in the same gear is that the better skilled player will still win. Thats if the "skilled arena player is trully skilled. And if he gets beat by the new player then hes not as skilled as he thinks he is. Fighting in similar gear=good fight. Winner celebrates and looser hopefully will go off and learn a bit more, improve, rethink and come to next fight better. Which i think is better for everyone.
you can easy grind your conquests on arenas now a day, so it's not a big deal that they give you, an option to get them from bgs.
Also, giving everyone access to the same level of gear, will help in balancing out the pvp, because every one will have similar amount of resi and stast, so what will matter is a SKILL not a gear.
@junior4008 no1 wants to see a lower skilled played play against a higher skilled one its painful to watch =/ unless u meant lower rated player can vs the higher rated ones?
@GtfoRapier exactly, the game is made for fun and ppl forget that and try and put other ppl down because they dont have as much experience as they do. its fucking ridiculous and ppl who do that need to stfu and go outside and have a life for once.
@GtfoRapier But what if being the best is fun for you? Hitmanblood's point was that hengest's point of view is making it where there is no best, or less competition.
@benderbg you can't look at it that way... ofc its a game but if you work really hard to get something.. i mean work your ass off and a dude that dosen't do shit gets almost the same shit as you... thats not right is it ?
and find a insult then the old "your mum's basement" shit...
I don't do arena so i dont get ruthless gear however, i was going to try it. Now you can gain conquest from bg's i see no desire to try arena unless i could have fun, and killing a bunch of people in bg's is funner.
I don't agree with the MMR reset. Players should only fight within their bracket (rating range). Chess has a ranking system that keeps players of a certain rating (Master, Expert, A class, etc) within their bracket. If a Master level player faces a B class player they actually get penalized; the master level player is actually playing at a lower skill level. He's not being challenged. The rating we earned should be carried over season to season. Play better and you move into a new bracket.
@defminerva13 So players of more skill should not be able to get rank 1 because of the people who MMR boostted last season? The reset gives a chance for arena stats to start over ...
No conquest should come from Bgs at all if you want arena gear then learn your class as well as other classes and go do arenas for conquest...don't get carried in a bg to get good gear and act pro
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TheArleneSa 2 weeks ago in playlist Season 1
Hengest For President :D you're the man bro !!
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silenos1993 2 months ago
Its my opinion that this would have much better if it wasn't like at timed game show....should have just had them each talk..
GenuineCriminal 2 months ago
Skill greater than gear :) just saying
Sn93K 2 months ago
I think its an awesome change! Being a casual player myself, I think it gives us a chance to get the gear and compete with the hardcore players. Just because we r casual doesn't mean we don't posses the skill to compete. Now we can. Also to any hardcore players who say the casual players are crying, it would b just the opposite. Don't b afraid that us casual peeps may give u some competition. I would think this change should. Welcomed by all. Just means new compitition.
mholderfield0225 2 months ago
The CASUAL PLAYER is killing this game... They cry and bliz listens they want the gear, but they do not want to work for it. Their lazy to say the least and will tell you they have to work alot or their to busy to grind it out. The problem with that is you see them running around sw in trade chat complaining about how everything is to hard for them. I think bliz said to hell with and just give them the gear, becasue their not gonna do a dang thing with anyway.
remadie1 2 months ago
@remadie1 THANK YOU! this is why i quit shortly after Cata... Wotlk was to easy i want to see the noobs who cried about Uld and ToC being to hard... i would love to put them in black wing lair or Naxx classic.
silenos1993 2 months ago
Funnycrew dont be a douche
Chakrashuriken 2 months ago
I think that it sud be possible to have a long time grinding gear for tho that loves pvp and have to mots extra time can get. and the casual pvp player got another type of set that is easier to get, but.. here it comes, they got the same type of stat's and therefor it is not unfair for a casual sins the stats are the same. the difference will be something like a marker, or a different color, or maybe a special flag on your back. that way hardcore pvp players can show them self a bit off
Zetro5nineO 2 months ago
Hengest just hates arenas because he sucks
funnycrewGTD 2 months ago
@funnycrewGTD Completely agree, he acts like hes something special, not trying to be a hater or nothing. I just cannot stand the dude anymore. Thinks hes pro cause he can nuke some people in a random BG, and talk over a wanna-be tactic video.
xXLLGDeetz 2 months ago
I think it is bull shit that people who never joined an arena will get the arena gear.. Its not right... They dont deserve something that they work for. People who do arenas work for their conquest gear... I think maybe 50 points daily would but no more after that.. You shouldnt award players for something they didnt work for... Its just not fair
TheeDemonicPanda 2 months ago
i think that the changes from the 4.3 update are necessary to keep WoW fresh and the players entertained. but, i have to agree with hitmanblood (even though i'm a casual player) regarding that the upcoming changes may piss off the veteran players. but, this game is about being "original" and not about playing the same character that JoeNoob is playing. i play WoW because i want to have fun. i dont mind if another player's char has better gear than my char. THEY EARNED IT.
879doogie 3 months ago in playlist Season 1
I'm a pvp grinder and i'm not sure how i feel yet because it does help me get my pvp gear faster and all but i'm going to agree that the "noobs" or non-grinders can wear the same gear as me. This is like me going into Fireland ina pvp set, i'm gonna get hated on fast.* kinda off topic* but i have mixed feeling atm on the conquest. my guess is i will like it becuase it will help me get my gear faster and i'll still be able to get the Elite gear for being rated in arenas and your nongrinder wont
xST6xBroChaCho 3 months ago
All there is to say about this topic is if we are all special then soon no one is special. Arenas will die off if there is no reason to be there and nothing left to strive for. I have not played wow a long time but since I have been here they have made it increasing easy for anyone to get anything without much work or effort which is quickly turning me away from this game. I feel its really hard to feel the sence of accomplishment when everything is handed to me.
BigDaddy16515 3 months ago
Agree with the change in MMR
And i agree with Hitmans point with kids just doing bg's to get their conquest points so they can show off their shiny new season 12 arena gear from just doing random bgs. But its not like getting the standard arena cap is hard anyways.. all you have to do is twos and you can get it in less then 30 mins if your at a low mmr
WoWtages 3 months ago
As long as they have divided gear sets conquest and then an upgraded conquest gear there is no issue at all.
PS: guys this doesn't change anything as it stands you can hit your cap each week with no arena or RBG's just turn Valor points into conquest so the complaint is really a moot point.... Just saying
Also RBG's and Arena increase your cap... so you still have a HUGE advantage. RBG's FOR LIFEEEEEE
Dokster85 3 months ago
I don't agree that the best gear should be given to the general public. That's what the honor gear is for. Make specific arena gear that requires skill to get. Somewhere around 1800-1900.
ItzDiGi 3 months ago
@ItzDiGi OR everyone just has the same gear so its FAIR and it's ALL SKILL instead of GEAR BASED
Owliganka 3 months ago
You can your still in rating not GEAR
telset101 3 months ago
MMR reset is brilliant, we've been stuck at ~1980 team fighting 2250+MMR teams most of this season. I disagree greatly with the conquest from Random BGs however; Conquest gear is a reward from arena, not grinding randoms hoping for a decent random comp.
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XeleratedGuide 3 months ago
As a casual player, i think the change is good. Arena is boring, really boring. Arena/rbg STILL give more conquest points making it faster to get gear than battlegrounds. And @ hitmandblood; some people, just like me, hate arena. And why should someone have to do something they hate to get the good gear? why can't they do something that they enjoy (battlegrounds)? It is a game, play how you want to play. I understand his point tho.
warnick150 3 months ago
@warnick150 You get previous seasons gear for Honor, this is like rewarding top tier raid gear for completing the old raids; for years wearing the latest season has proven (somewhat) you're a skilled PvPer, now anyone with an excessive amount of time can just cap themselves?
ManMadeMechanics 3 months ago
@ManMadeMechanics they earned it didn't they? if they do that many bgs, which would take longer than if they rbg or arena, why shouldn't the said person not be able to get the same items that someone who enjoys arenas?
warnick150 3 months ago
R.I.P wow -.-
Wolfram2202 3 months ago
@Wolfram2202 "World of warcraft is dead" by jesse cox and wowcrendor. Look it up. WoW isn't dead.
warnick150 3 months ago
I like the debate idea. :)
ThatsButters 3 months ago
I agree with Hitmanblood bad players who only do random bgs should not get the same gear as the people who do arena and rbgs just a stupid way for blizzard to suck up to the casual players for more subscribers
96RandomMan 3 months ago
I heard world pvp. That doesn't exist anymore boo.
LoLHelp1 3 months ago
Agree and support Hengest's viewpoint.
Thorikr 3 months ago
Gotta agree with Hitman
nimowRox 3 months ago
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gowplayer2 3 months ago
HEY your mother is ugly ;)
TheWhiteWolf78 3 months ago
HITMANS OPINION!
BoshinTV 3 months ago
Hitmanbloodherrrrrr?
BoshinTV 3 months ago
do not live in a cave. just never heard of athene, nor do i care too
richb1134 3 months ago
they are both 1200 rated players so who cares what their opinion is :) id like to hear pureshields opinion :))
Rudibrobrabroski 3 months ago
I think both of them have valid points but i lean towards Hengest more by just a little on both points
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HPEJuggalo93 3 months ago
Conquest from doing random bg is a great idea allows players who are more casual but do pvp the chance to get some better pvp gear. Players who do arena wont be effected with what hitman said about players who dont " work hard " comming up and saying look how much resil i have, becuase a random bg takes on average 15mins + to complete and only 1 side will win so the players will have to grind for these points therefore work hard will be key i sense the elitest attitude from hitman looks bad dude
Gsdizzle19 3 months ago
@Gsdizzle19 well, it makes people that actually have less skill to be kind of "better".
that means that for example if u just ding 85, and u are let's say a noob, but you win battlegrounds and get good gear. at the end u are still a noob but with shiny nice gear. means u will not do things that people expect you do in terms of knowledge and skill.
SkolisseDK 3 months ago
@SkolisseDK Yeah but you have " noobs " atm doing arena to get cap not for rating or wins
Gsdizzle19 3 months ago
I like the increased conquest for bgs. I'm a casual player, so even if I'm in the same gear as someone who has a high MMR, they will beat me and that is fine. I just want to be able to get the gear (gives a sense of accomplishment when you get that new piece of gear).
ClaxsaLearchus 3 months ago
More exp in leveling battlegrounds imo!!! ;p
Richeyrich92 3 months ago
@Richeyrich92 its already way too much should be nerfed if anything
HPEJuggalo93 3 months ago
The conquest changes are great. I'm thinking of resubbing now. I love BG's. Hate arenas. Assembling rated BG teams takes way too long. As a primarily PvP player, I strongly approve of this change.
MegaMalfurion 3 months ago
Who the fuck is athene
richb1134 3 months ago
@richb1134 do u live in a cave? xD
HPEJuggalo93 3 months ago
Hengest's opinion on MMR changes: Bullshit about the size of arenas(?) that has nothing to do with these changes.
Also, why the fuck are you using Athene's music.
He made that famous.
Keep it out of your videos.
Blackhammer9999 3 months ago
I stopped playing WoW awhile ago i do keep track in general what is going on in the game but mainly WoW has become a game it seems like people play the game because their friends are playing it
the PvP system is not very good if you want a competative PvP game where you control one char play HoN, LoL, or Dota.
blizzard needs to do a revamp of the entire pvp system but with a game this old it seems as if they should just wait until their "secret" mmo to do so
Drewface14 3 months ago
BG conquest FTW but they shud also try to bring back world pvp by making guards easier to handle and give u conq for killing ally bosses
frederick2600 3 months ago
Conquest points income: i like this idea. i have other hobbies and things to do. i dont have time to be on at every scheduled rated bg or arena time for a team. im an oldschool player, i wish they returned some of the bgs the the originals personally, like AV (how long since u seen all the npc's get spawned by players anymore) its no longer pvp. saying random bg is not deserving is not cool imo cause to get the highest lvl gear u need ratings 1st of all, 2nd rated gets points faster=gear faster
TheGabesnell 3 months ago
@TheGabesnell just adding a little to my original post. when is pvp gonna be fun and actual pvp again? i agree that ally and horde is not usually balanced but still what happened to AV? world pvp? i remember 60 vs 60 world pvp in ss and tm and even bigger sometimes on the cities and im on a pretty old server who has somehow managed to have a close to low pop. (im alliance) when i or anyone said, hordies gankin in goldshire or somethin it was a brawl. i think they need to completely 180 pvp...
TheGabesnell 3 months ago
I think i am gona like this new system. I am in a pve raiding guild and i only doing pvp when i am pve points capt or if ther is nothing els to do. So now i never need feel that i never gona have time to get thos awesome higher lvl pvp gear just becous i dont doing pvp all the time.
MegaGuru79 3 months ago
Whats the debate? play swtor in December. /close book
tortugaa85 3 months ago
I'm either grinding arena for conquest or bgs for conquest. I prefer bgs honestly. So in the end its a grind either way. Everyone should grind how they want. Better players will still be better now matter the gear.
serisscweald 3 months ago
I feel like these changes just make skill more prominent in pvp. You can have all the gear in the world, but if you suck at at an arena, bg, whatever, you're not going to have the rating or the elitest feel that a true skillful player will have. I feel like ratings will still give those competitive players that edge and feel of elitism that they want/deserve
AJDIV93 3 months ago
@AJDIV93 Hmm interesting never thought about it that way, nice comment :)
MooXtastic 3 months ago
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In pvp i think people should judge by the rank and skill...not by gears.
TGFTH 3 months ago
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TGFTH 3 months ago
This is a nice change I think do to it's hard to get started in pvp do to the gear difference. Skill will still come into play to win
sqemt2011 3 months ago
Im a hpally, when MoP comes out how am i going to get to level 90 when i cant do any quests because i do like no damage :S
TheHobosChannel 3 months ago
Conquest should only be earned in arena
Gvnprtr3 3 months ago
how did i get here from
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XXXXXcerria 3 months ago
this game fails now used to be good though
JackmtgZero 3 months ago
@JackmtgZero i agree, im switching to Swtor in december giving that a shot
beaverfeaver12 3 months ago
good, i love the idea of conquest from bg, it helps us players who miss the classic wow pvp and only do bg, i hate having to run the same arenas over and over with the same people
Myfinalaccountname 3 months ago
@Myfinalaccountname arena burns make me hate pvp... i miss being a BG crusher and just running around smacking down noobs!
excalberx3 3 months ago
This is a really good change, a person who does bg's can never hold up to someone who plays arena competitively. Having geared bg heroes in arena will not affect pvp at all, as most ppl know gear has very little effect on rating's since everyone has the same gear. If you bg all day like you deserve the same gear as someone who does 5-7 arenas a week. just my 2 cents.
Avengedstar1 3 months ago
These guys are full of shit. They have no clue what they are talking about.
Avengedstar1 3 months ago
skilled players will still be able to get better gear by getting the 2200 gear
darkfez69 3 months ago
It would be better if blizzard would introduce a ladder, or league system, based on wib rate and performance, to match casuals with casuals, and hardcores with hardcores, giving each group the currency that will fit to their level (higher league players will get better items eventually with higher rating currency). Also, it should be made possible for every player to see what the rating of yhat playrr is, so that even if they have decent gear, you will still be abke to see that they are in a lo
bramownsyou 3 months ago 2
I love Hengest, but I agree with Hitmanblood here.
There is still that competitive aspect in Arena gameplay. And people that don't want to dedicate themselves to arenas or rated BGS, don't deserve the conquest. As this is the part of PVP that is the most competitive, and virtually the only part Ruthless is fully helpful in. All they're doing is trying to make Pug BGS competitive. Which is basically like Random Heroics, compared to raiding. World PvP isn't going to rise out of it's hole soon.
Yessacmidnight 3 months ago
@Yessacmidnight You're right on both levels. The thing that killed World PvP and it's been said before, was flying mount. How are players going to come in contact with each other if they are flying several feet off the ground pretty much safe. Your part about balancing randoms and its comparison to Heroics and Raids, not fully accurate there but it some what works to that end.
DarkGrif 3 months ago
BRAD SUCKS.
BORDERLINE
I'm officially in love with TGN and Mercader for playing this.
Yessacmidnight 3 months ago
I agree with Hitman, this is making the game more retard friendly
tgcid101 3 months ago
HITMANBLOOD Because im trying to get better in arena to. Im not a casual Bg player. I think they should have to do arena to get that better gear.
Ibike551 3 months ago
I'm for the change in the bg conquest thing cuz I it's not eassy to find people that want to progress in arena and when you do then it the problem is that you teammates arnt online when 2 of you are and you need the 3rd person. Sometimes you just have to pass the time by doing some bg's and warming up, so might as well get some conquest while your waiting.
pebblerobber 3 months ago
They really should earn the same gear but the gear look different or have different colors so the person who does arenas looks different then the person who just does random bgs. I do arenas and hate it 2v2 isn't as fun as 10v10 or more.
calsadkvomrtwbiv 3 months ago
im 50-12 and 1800 -.-'
VanixGaming 3 months ago
excuse my horrible grammar <3
powajyn 3 months ago
the changes are good b/c not many people can handle arena's b/c at times it can be many time more hectic than bgs, and why do we have to constrict people in to doing /2 lf 2s for points? . i can see why this change was made. as for the mmr reset, if you good you'll get high rating , but you have to work hard at it. if you suck... welll you suck.. not much too it gg
powajyn 3 months ago
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powajyn 3 months ago
I love this, since I play a lot of random BGs and not a big fan of arenas. So this update will be great! :)
TheJuniorism 3 months ago
so i suppose i agree with hengest and hitman for the first point but disagree with hitman for the second.
KoMag3Ko 3 months ago
doesnt arena give titles and ranks. where as random bg's dont. surely if you're wanting to prove you're the best in your class you will work at arenas and be on a rank system which proves you're better then the person who is getting gear from random bg's in itself. so your point doesnt really make sense to me Hitman. I could be wrong about the rank system, only ever pve so i dont know.
KoMag3Ko 3 months ago
Thumbs up if you heard the music in the back ground lol !
AFlaminNiNjA 3 months ago
i think it's cool they're giving conquest for random bg's because it would give people who are doing bg's more of a reason to try and win a game than just standing in mid farming kills trying to be the best in the game and actually put in some team work make bg's more fun!
L763c 3 months ago
i think arena rating should have brakets like the bgs 10-15/16/20 ect if your 1k you should be vs 1k ratings and so on and so forth
JasonBigss 3 months ago
The bit about having the super gearscore is a good point, but to be honest, anyone who has 2-3k gold on most servers can simply buy the gear that will give them the edge and quite a bit of the crafted gear is for PvP. It's not always about the Gearscore either, it's also about the skill. The proper keybind/macro combos are required to put yourself at your very best and the simple change of adding those in and rebinding my keys gave me nearly a 30% dps boost.
GageEndal 3 months ago
Keep in mind I am a huge hengest fan and it was hard to disagree with him
spawnboi0 3 months ago
I agree with hitman on the conquest change
spawnboi0 3 months ago
Casual...eww.
Zemnexx 3 months ago
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Casual...eww.
Zemnexx 3 months ago
Casual...eww.
Zemnexx 3 months ago
Casual...eww.
Zemnexx 3 months ago
I disagree with hitman ...
TorTgnGaming 3 months ago
The new talents looks shit it takes all the variaty and change ability on them.
XxDejavuzZXx 3 months ago
They are making cata even easier than WotLK..
Gamebray 3 months ago
Gotta go with Hengest on all of his statements. All I'm really hearing from Hitman is he's pissed that someone with a job and family with less WoW time can aquire the same gear. Hitman, shame on you.
DirtyRottenTV 3 months ago
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@DirtyRottenTV Please, do not put words in my mouth.
HitmanbloodHunter 3 months ago
Hengest FTW!
MaOpwn 3 months ago
Hitman, you seem to overlook that people arent earning higher rating by just doing random BGs, so people who put in the effort will get the gear faster. Agree with almost everything Hengest said tbh
TrashBaby4Life 3 months ago
hitmansucks dick go hengest!
sheldonvern 3 months ago
Gear doesnt account for skill.... So stop whining about the casuals getting the gear because In The end the best will rise to the top regardless... Learn how to play the game well rather then talk about those who don't.... Hengest Had the best statements. 100% agree with him!
snowblind23 3 months ago
Hengest is 100% correct in my opinion
xHiitmanXz 3 months ago
I agree with hengest 110% all around
snowblind23 3 months ago
If they can make it easy to get ruthless by just giving out conquest points. they should give the PVPers let do random dungeons and get Valor Points. that seems fair to me.
Venomdaggerz 3 months ago
I feel that they are making the game to easy. I enjoyed the old Vanilla grinds for gear and lvls.
zSiiKScOPEz 3 months ago
The MMR system changes in my opinion will make Arena alot more competitive, but still imbalanced as fuck.
The games been becoming casual for far to long now.
That guys, is why I don't play this game anymore.
LossGaming 3 months ago
The issue with earning CP level gear is u have to be active in the more competitive pvp. With this change, some one with limited time can get the gear that allows them to compete with the best. Now the winner will be based on their skill.
flea4296 3 months ago
I love the new patch people can say they have the best gear and rip on others but when those others show them up in a dual or an actual arena match is when that person will learn ok I gotta get good if I wanna talk like this I'm sitting in season 9 gear and destroying the DMg charts in random bgs and I am a warrior I don't even need the berserker buff I rely on pure past skills that I've had from playing 2k in both 2s3sand5s it's totally up to whoever is willing to get better at pvp and who kno
wolvemaster11 3 months ago
Lol. Hengest. STFU thats the whole reason why we play arenas, because we want to be better then everyone else. and i remember when i was a low lvl and i saw someone with full ruth or whatever, i was inspired. i didn't get pissed off because i cant have that gear right now. i wanted to earn my way up to that ear. THAT'S FUN!
SilentStryker25 3 months ago
@SilentStryker25
Anyone can get full ruthless.
ImHiDef 3 months ago
not agreeing with hitman on the grinding part, its just as easy to get conquest doing arena, probably even easier then BGs cause of the large number of people not taking BGs too serious. think of it this way, its just another way of getting the conquest gear. and if you wanna show of with conquest gear and you mean its such a hazzle to get now adays, then you allways have the tier 2 set for achieving 2.2k rating which you cant get from doing BGs even if you recieve conquest points
LordJahr 3 months ago
I agree with hitman fuck noobs the should be able to get the best gear with the least skill
bamfs09 3 months ago
Going back to when hitman said somone who just does his daily BGs to get the ruthless gear dont people who grind arena get the elite ruthless gear so, thier will still be some good out of grinding arenas and rated BGs to still be able to get that higher level of gear.
WvTeHTeddyvW 3 months ago
This while change almost nothing. Those who grind will have better gear yes, but its not like their skill level will be near that of a Rank 1 Glad. The competitive nature or arenas is what draws people back time and time again, same with RBG's. Its the feeling of winning and stomping your opponent. If you want to be casual so be it, but the feeling of being the best because you worked for it is second to none.
TheKutapo 3 months ago
Bads will always be bads, even if they get geared through randoms BGs, their achieves will still show they arent 'good' ebough to play with. I think this is a great change for gearing out new chars. I have multiple warriors and gearing them has been a pain. this is a great fix.
drjay182 3 months ago
i dunno about a MMR reset, but i dont think player should be able to have a 50/50 W/L and keep there rank 1 title, i dont think thats a good system
for the BG daily thing, who cares? people who try and grind there gear will have and it and be better then someone who takes 4 months to get the same gear doing dailys, its still a little bit skill based
i agree with both of them, they made logical points and lets just see what happens, no sence bitching when we dont have it to try it
natem921 3 months ago
Wow.... Alright Hengest, he's taking the total Nancy pansie side of this, of course there should be a good tier of pvp gear and a lesser. Maybe I should cry that Raiders shouldn't have heroic gear? "its not fair, that's mean and they are bragging"
AltyairPvP 3 months ago
Hengest is pretty spot on. The game in relation to pvp is broke all to hell. Why not make it so all the gear is the same? Skill is what matters then. I know if I go in my pve gear into a arena I will get blown up, but if I go in my arena/rbg gear gl killing me. Yeah, the skill did not change, only the gear but the outcome is totally 180 degrees. Make pvp about skill and take the gear out of it.
tjr2mental 3 months ago
Hengest is just jelly about Arenas :/
AltyairPvP 3 months ago
who cares about pvp , its fucking boring lol
SmexerP 3 months ago
@SmexerP
u are reeetarteeddd
xXRiTaLiNx 3 months ago
For those people say pvp gear is not important, in pvping, you must be joking to yourself, for example a full elite pvp gear vs a full pve gear, who will win? Ask yourself.
tiu007 3 months ago
Specifically on the battlegrounds giving conquest, I must agree with Hengest, though I'd like to add that PvP should be about skill, not simply who has the best gear. Hitmanblood mentioned that he didn't want to see someone who only did random BGs coming up to him thinking they had 'skill' because of their gear. Though, more likely than not, an arena player would still win in a small team fight based on skill rather than a large gear differential. PvP should be about skill, not who has more gear
amberkilloran 3 months ago
hitman has no arguement on the BG conquest, people have been converting valor points to conquest points for a long time now...
lewrawlings 3 months ago
I totally disagree with hitman. Pvp should NOT, be about gear... it should be about skill and only skill. Giving everyone the same amount of gear makes it all about skill. We have all dueled someone, beat them and then they say ' i don't have much pvp gear, if i had some gear i would beat you'. Pve is about gear, pvp is not. But whatever, he wont read this :)
Ninjasamo 3 months ago
OBAmA!!!!!! i agree with obama~!!!
ChaoticStake 3 months ago
great video i agree with both but i think the more skilled players whould get better gear
KuSQ3N 3 months ago
Some people are great players but dont have the time to sit ana play arenas all day. And some people like to play by them selves. The change will give thouse people a chance to get the gear they deserve but couldent get before. But I see the point that people that arent real good at the game will get the good gear also. I dont think theres a good fix for every player. There needs to be a happy medium.
subydave1 3 months ago
if hitmanblood wants competitive SKILLED pvp, then give everyone the same gear and stats and let them fight their way to the top of a ladder in arena.
Having better gear than others does not make one skilled, only fortunate.
kittehjam 3 months ago
also hengest how can you say that gaming should be played a one way, hengest got issues with good players?
lluke18 3 months ago
hengest, you should be better geared and be "elitist" if you put more time into it....
lluke18 3 months ago
The only difference now will be that if a skilled Arena player meets a newish player in the same gear is that the better skilled player will still win. Thats if the "skilled arena player is trully skilled. And if he gets beat by the new player then hes not as skilled as he thinks he is. Fighting in similar gear=good fight. Winner celebrates and looser hopefully will go off and learn a bit more, improve, rethink and come to next fight better. Which i think is better for everyone.
akaGorT 3 months ago
He's not a part of your system! u can't buy him blizzard
mattlevy12 3 months ago
Will honor points be resteted?
kagg907 3 months ago
@kagg907
Reseted isnt a word. DERP
sk8ns4life 3 months ago
Roflmao, some kids on the comment-system... "PvP is hardcore competitive gameplay". Hahah, WoW, competitive? - Hilaribad.
aztaclalz 3 months ago
Hate pvp mostly cause i suck
b0eckhout 3 months ago
you can easy grind your conquests on arenas now a day, so it's not a big deal that they give you, an option to get them from bgs.
Also, giving everyone access to the same level of gear, will help in balancing out the pvp, because every one will have similar amount of resi and stast, so what will matter is a SKILL not a gear.
Sergalt 3 months ago
"Hitmanbluur...Did i say that right?"
"Just say Hitmanblood"
"Okey, so on this debate Hengest and Hitmannluuhergh will have 2 minutes.."
hahah
skateboardlover22 3 months ago
thats how it should be new season new rank from beggining.u got 2 conquest points sets one normal and one for higher rating
fallendaro 3 months ago
I think this a great idea so lower skilled played can compete with the higher geared players to. :)
junior4008 3 months ago
@junior4008 no1 wants to see a lower skilled played play against a higher skilled one its painful to watch =/ unless u meant lower rated player can vs the higher rated ones?
TheSunShineGangWoW 3 months ago
If you only PvE... gtfo captain backpeddle go slay some dragon and run away from fire, the big kids are talking. ha
skyl3r123 3 months ago
This is just Gunna fuck people like in my battlegroup when horde always wins and the honor grind will be 10x longer than viscous honor grind
ConstantmimeDK 3 months ago
the conquest point change is good! PvP should be all about skill and not about who has the best gear
VikingsVsPirates 3 months ago
Some folks got way to much to prove in a game..
AnimaRocc 3 months ago
Being someone who is bad at arenas in general im kinda happy i can get my gear from bgs becuase i enjoy them.
DrFerb 3 months ago
Hengest is that kind of player that irritates me. See honestly if this guy were even halfway decent he wouldn't have the thought process he does.
marsman87 3 months ago
@marsman87
I think Hengest's whole point is playing a game for the sake of fun, not for being the best.
GtfoRapier 3 months ago 23
@GtfoRapier exactly, the game is made for fun and ppl forget that and try and put other ppl down because they dont have as much experience as they do. its fucking ridiculous and ppl who do that need to stfu and go outside and have a life for once.
Try2killmeh 3 months ago
@GtfoRapier But what if being the best is fun for you? Hitmanblood's point was that hengest's point of view is making it where there is no best, or less competition.
AngelicWoW 3 months ago
In short.. +Hengest. In long... stop crying, get out of momma's basement once a month. WoW IS just a game.
benderbg 3 months ago 14
@benderbg you can't look at it that way... ofc its a game but if you work really hard to get something.. i mean work your ass off and a dude that dosen't do shit gets almost the same shit as you... thats not right is it ?
and find a insult then the old "your mum's basement" shit...
TheFJooD 3 months ago
@benderbg you make me sick sir.
XxYoungPlayaxX 3 months ago
I don't do arena so i dont get ruthless gear however, i was going to try it. Now you can gain conquest from bg's i see no desire to try arena unless i could have fun, and killing a bunch of people in bg's is funner.
rusk50 3 months ago
i would like to get gear from bgs instead of havig to do get vicious gear from bgs and THEN get ruthless from winning 2s against weaker team comps
it will basically just cut down the time people use on grinding by 2/3
and the "pro's" can just be happy they have their 2200 gear which is better than regular ruthless anyway so why would anyone be against this?
tERtasdf 3 months ago
you know it would be great if you actully had players with high rating in arena arguing about this... not players who barely does any arena
Razzor19111 3 months ago
yeah because gear = skill
and why is it that people think that casual (people who may have to work, and not have their moms pay their subscription) players have no skill.
flygonpearl 3 months ago
i can only say that i agree a 100% with hengest
shatnor 3 months ago
yeah because gear = skill
flygonpearl 3 months ago
When is the relese?
codemodeswe 3 months ago
I don't agree with the MMR reset. Players should only fight within their bracket (rating range). Chess has a ranking system that keeps players of a certain rating (Master, Expert, A class, etc) within their bracket. If a Master level player faces a B class player they actually get penalized; the master level player is actually playing at a lower skill level. He's not being challenged. The rating we earned should be carried over season to season. Play better and you move into a new bracket.
defminerva13 3 months ago
@defminerva13 So players of more skill should not be able to get rank 1 because of the people who MMR boostted last season? The reset gives a chance for arena stats to start over ...
Atheist0226 3 months ago