Anthropic principle

[Requiemxtoxinnocence]

if you change all the four forces at once you can still create a universe with a chance for life.

[Kari166]

"No, I'm just kidding."

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[LozerClub]

what's the music called in the background?

[luke96j]

Is that lelouch's voice? wtf?

[IgnisLupi]

In video games like San Andres this is totally true...

[FrankiiHep]

This is so helpful :)

[Lanfear27]

This is amazingly well put

[andytroyer]

so the big question is do the trees in the forest exist if I'm not there to observe them. So things didn't exist at all until I came about to validate their existence. Sounds like philosophical gymnastics. Well of course they did. So prior to telescopes being invented the universe beyond the eye didn't exist.... amazing. What power we have as humans.

[whade62000]

This is not the Anthropic Principle. The Anthropic Principle is "the universe is the way it is because if it wasn't we wouldn't be here to ask". This is the "If a tree falls in the woods..." problem, whether something observed has an existence without the observer.

[PoxHaunted]

who was the genius that put that guy to bud Kyon?

[FIRETHEMOO]

Ichigo? Lelouch? sounds like him alright.

[Kari166]

@FIRETHEMOO, yup.

[kickthecommie]

I don't really know why there's creepy music in the background, but I kinda like it.

[FiverBeyond]

Being a geek, both in the cosmological and Anime sense, I love this video because I honestly don't know if this is a dub, or if it's part of the show.

[KlDBUU]

@FiverBeyond its the dub

[FiverBeyond]

Sad... I was looking forward to finding an anime that discussed existentialistic, humanist philosophy...

[KlDBUU]

maybe i was unclear, this is part of the show, I said dub as reference to the dubbed form of the show.

That being said, while it does discus human philosophy, I don't think this is what you are looking for

[FiverBeyond]

Ah, sorry, my bad. Right, I understand your point... I just thought it was funny was all.

[Kari166]

@FiverBeyond, have you seen Evangelion? It gets sort of like that towards the end of the series, but there's always some kind of underlying speculation about human existance, how we think of ourselves, and the relationships that we form with other people.

...AND THEN THERE'S THE MOVIE(S). o____O

[danny312515]

lulz

[Inmylifealive]

beleive in what stuff? in anime? XD lol

[Xemnashizzo]

you do realize, that in the sub, the subbers incorrectly translate it as "human Principle" rather than "Anthropic Principle" right? Not that most people would care anyways. hypnotstcollector you're correct. The Anthropic Principle has quite a lot to do with the anime actually. It pose the question that seeing as how the universe is so fine tuned, is there perhaps a reason for it being so?

[Xemnashizzo]

Did the universe just happern on its own? Are there other types of universes and we just happen to be on one suitable for life and sentience? Is there a creator? Is there a principle in the universe that drives development of life and sentience? Are universes developing beings to acknoledge it are the only ones that exist as Itsuki explain? Or we all live in a Matrix scenario, what Itsuki was talking about a few episodes ago. But its not like anyone would waste there time thinking bout this.

[shadowsofassault]

makes perfect sense

[1ApertureRealist]

english dub for the lose :(

[Kari166]

@1ApertureRealist, NOPE.

[hypnotstcollector]

the anthropioc priciple shows the STATISTICAL impossability of life unless all the structures in the making of the universe were Just So. Fluorine as an example. It takes a highly tuned UNIVERSE to have life exists anywhere. So, the anthropic pricnciple is more than stated here.

[AnimeAndMusicLover]

I actually understand this, although I don't think I'd be able to explain it to anyone ^^' I guess I'll try though....I wanna say its like, lets say, dogs are dogs because we say they are. we've found differences between dogs and cats and put them into different categories....and yet that isn't what I'm trying to say....

it's funny how an ANIME has made so many people actualyl think XD I love it when I do think because of an anime. its awesome

[TheDarkSaint1]

oops meant to say japanese with english subtitles.

[TheDarkSaint1]

OMG i HATE the english version of haruhi suzumiya. Japanese with english dubbed is better, but when i watched this scene i learned a lot on this principle, looked it up, and made a blog about it myself on my space.

[nastassja08]

there is a DESIGNER. however, this designer couldn't exist without his design existing. therefore the design is the DESIGNER him/her/itself.

did i just write that? wtf! hahahahaha

[Xemnashizzo]

nastassja08 theres acutally a story of an astronomer who gave a lecture on the universe. At the end, an old lady came up to him and told him, your wrong the world sits on the back of a turtle. The astronomer asked what the turtle was sitting and the old lady replied its turtles all the way down.

[AIMANALI]

can't we say that the universe is the way it is and THAT IS WHY humans came into existence instead of "something else" coming into existence....does that make any sense.

[AfterImageEnt]

I oddly understood everyword of it. And even went Ahhh at some points,. I'mma throw that at one of my homeboyz.

[AnimeAndMusicLover]

Same for me

[Roy7437]

It's easier to undstand subtitled rather than dubbed for me. Strange... Great clip.

[Unclesamslair]

this has more to do with perception of the universe than the actual anthropic principle. Th anthropic principle says that with how improbable life-permitting universes are there must be a God. the criticism of this is the human-centered view of what is life permitting and they idea that given an infinite amount of time the most improbable but not impossible things not only do happen, but they must happen. Therefore whatever the improbability of life is, it is irrelevant.

[metalraider187]

It reminds me of fuyutski and gendo discussing the city during their ride in the train. also we dont know about the existance of things untill we discover them, like anti matter..... and many many more things. discovery is inherit, we live and study things from planet earth, imagine a planet of extreems like say jupiters atmosphere or venus, there is MUCH to discover its not so much that its not there its just we havent found it.

[metalraider187]

nice, pretentious but it bring up a point. well this theory in general is something i have speculated about long before its existance, man is self aware therefore he and things exist... at least thats what he believes. A tree still makes a sound even though nobody is there to hear it, wether its heard or not the cause and effect are still in existance despite human prescence or knowledge, its a bit like I think therefore I am.

[jetmanisme]

What it means is that many theists believe that the laws and constants of the universe are so finely tuned to allow human beings to exist, that it's proof of a God. What this video does is tell it through the eyes of another form of life, which illustrates how foolish this belief would be if indeed other forms of life existed outside of the kinds we find on this planet.

[charliec81]

Actually, Theo hit the nail a bit better. I'd can say that similar extra-terresterial life-forms would consider life to be the proof of God due to the fact that it takes fine-tuning to produce any form of life, even their own.

Also, Itsuki was mentioning the anthropic principle to describe Haruhi Suzumiya's case, because what she actually thinks is what materializes in the Universe.

[charliec81]

Just a note for any philosophers and theologians seeing this video..... just because Itsuki talks about this principle doesn't mean Haruhi Suzumiya advocates this idea or is purely about it. It's... far more complicated.

[DesertFoX91]

correction...people who think they ear philosophers because in the entire human history only 23 philosophers have lived...teaching philosophy and being a philosopher are an entirely different thing...philosophers know EVERYTHING they must know to do what they do.

[Theo9874456]

I think what he means is that what we perceive as reality is what we only see through our own means and five senses. If sentient beings like humans never had evolved and had the capacity to question the universe or try to understand it, the "universe" as we perceive it now would never "exist" in the first place.

[charliec81]

That kinda reminds me about Descartes... y'know.

[Unclesamslair]

well, if that's what he's talking about, then that's epistemology not the anthropic principle.

[mistyXninja]

does anyone get what he was saying? i'm still clueless on what he means. and thanks for the upload