this album literrally does sound scary, the tracks i mean, the riffs are so fukin heavy for one guitar and teh whole album just sounds evil and morbid
I saw Black Sabbath this tour. Ian Gillan litterally bailed mid tour!! I think Pittsburgh was the 1st for the sub lead singer... he became the lead singer for Badlands I think. Still remeber a great show!!
You Sab fans! God bless ya! take a little time and listen to the song (UNder the Gun )by Deep purple! Perfect strangers album. You will love it!! Sabbath rules tho!!
Gillan is shrieking like a banshee in the song but for some reason, it is appealing. This is an underrated album and same is said for the song. Iommi's tone is like a chainsaw. ROCKS
some think that this album sucked...in 1983 i bought it and was blown away!! even today i listen to it and am amazed how well gillan and sabbath jelled!
That was a really good one man. It is funny how someone actually thought of that. Very original. I would hate to buy a cd from Deep Heep because it would be a heep of crap,lol. Both great bands but, the name does'nt settle well with me. It smells weird....
Holy SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!The first time I heard this song I was a freshman in high school and I was over at this dude's house getting really fuckin high! And he put this song on full blast and I was fucking freaking the fuck out! In between looking at the album cover and listening to the whole album I thought this dude who was getting me high was actually the devil in disguise and he was gonna kill me!!!
I saw this tour in New Haven Connecticut, Quiet Riot opened. Sabbath was Intense, One of the Coolest shows I've ever been to. Very Cool stageshow and EXTREMELY LOUD!!!! Ian Gillian was great,Personally this is one of my favorite sabbath albums, MY favorite.
The Sanctuary re-issue has much nicer liner notes and higher quality printing on the insert than the 96 issue. Only available in Europe. I imported mine.
I have had 23 poems published in a poetry anthology. No big deal. Poems are good, but to me, they are mere shadows of life. The one line in this album that keeps sticking in my mind is "...plastic retards floating in circles." Ha, a very good line! There are other good ones in this album, as well. And how history keeps repeating itself--the first time is tragedy, the second time, farce!
The blood-red baby with the yellow nails and fangs on the cover is no illusion. All of the beautiful newborn babies in the paper are quietly marked with sin, evil, hatred, envy, gluttony, pride, slothfulness, lust gone wild, the trickery of car salesmen (Hermes), cowardice....yet to come, no?
it really pisses me off that ian gillian doesnt think this album is great . how i wished he stayed with sabbath because with purple all he does is sing lame lyrics between solos
Yes even a bargin bin cd can be a masterpiece if the person that's listening to it convinces himself it is! But then again what do we the masses know about good music anyway!
"But then again what do we the masses know about good music anyway!" Ogrebattle, you ask a very philosophical question which has been debated through the centuries by the greatest minds. But just remember, the subjectivity of this matter of good music is inextricaby linked to objectivity. I haven't figured it out. That's for sure.
It wasn't a question it was a comment made to sound like a question! I am still puzzled as to how you make the claim that this album is a masterpiece! I also have been trying here & there to find interviews with Gillian & Iommi where you have made claims that they liked the album... I haven't found any but if you do have them available I'd like for you to send them to me..
Well, ok, you're still mocking the bin, no? Ha, a big mistake with a big presupposition on your part! You know, good ol' Dostoyevski is in there for $3.99 while Steven King is goin' for $21.98. HA! A fucking joke! Why? Well, have you ever read "Crime and Punishment" vs a King book? I have read both and the diffeence is astronomical in Dos's favor./ A masterpiece (to me), you ask? Well, I already explained it to you./ As for evidence of Gillian, it was a Black Sabbath doc on 2 VHS cassettes.
Hey pal nobody's mocking anybody - I just said I was still puzzled by your claims about this album being a masterpiece! I'm not mocking you - if that's what you think...
Also which documentary are you talking about - because I'd like to look into it - if I'm wrong then I'm wrong... could you send it to me or tell me where I can go to see it?
Ha, but come gentlemen, the greatest metal force of all time was Tschaikovski's Francesca da Rimini! Way back before Black Sabbath, Tschaikovski was the heavy metal man of classical music. Ho ho, don't dare disagree with me until you have read & understood Dante's "Infernal," & then turned this masterpiece by Tschaikovski up full volume! This Born Again album by Sabbath, to me, actually comes the closest. And yes, Tschaikovski can be found in the bargain bin, too, where only fools walk on by.
Yes, that one and Tschaikovski's 1812 Overture were his 2 biggest hits. Capricco Italien is a great one, too. Beethoven's Wellington's Victory is a wild one worth listening to. I remember hearing many years ago about a live performance of Tschaikovski's 1812 Overture when a cannon exploded incorrectly, killing the man who fired it. Not good, but imagine a concert with real cannons going off! Ha, that's another reason why I like to think of Tschaikovski as the heavy metal man of classical music!
I own it and love it,will always be a part of my Sabbath collection. I never base my musical taste on fn album sales anyway,I have great memories listening to this.
I do not let album sales dictate whether or not I like an album either - I have heard this album a few times & just did not like it - it's a matter of taste, hey you like what you like! Right? Its just that everytime I've seen the import version of this cd it's always in the bargin bin!
You contradict yourself, no? You say it has nothing to do with album sales, that it's just a matter of taste; but you seem to be objectively measuring it by taste because you see ("its just that everytime...") it in the bargain bin. Emily Dickinson never made a dollar on her poetry while alive. She got rejected by the so called experts who suddenly changed their minds after her death. And though she became an immortal genius-- lots of bucks were made--she now sits quietly in the bargin bin. Ha
No I am speaking for what I think of the album - & yes if you go in any music store 99% of the time you will find that cd in the bargin bins so how I am contradicting myself - I don't hide the fact that I don't like the album - if you like the album then good for you - I don't & I have no problem saying that either... Your the one who was calling it a masterpiece - & it's no secret that the album is terrible & that it that it sold horribly - so what are you talking about? Contradicting myself?
When you follow up your disregard for the album with the disregard of the masses, ie., the bargain bin, you seem to be engaging in 'argumentum ad populum', meaning a fallacy of trying to prove something by showing that the public agrees with you. If you say no, then ok. You invalidate the album's worth by other means. As for my calling it a masterpiece, it's meant as a work done with extraordinary skill and creativity. Technical problems & the artist's disatisfaction as proof are questionable.
Listen I gave my opinion of the album - & said I didn't like it - I also said that if you liked the album then good for you - I also said that you were obviously entitled to your opinion... If you don't like the harsh criticism that I gave the album OH WELL! Also my opinions about the album & the comments I made were based on many different interviews & other factors which by the way are not speculation... How can you say that technical problems & artists disatisfaction as proof are questionable
Well, I guess I'm flogging a dead horse here--we're repeating ourselves too much. Actually, I did see an interview with Ian Gillian and he did say that there are a lot of good songs on the Born Again album. This contradicts what you're saying. As for technical problems, for eg., there was their first album which was recorded in a crude way by today's standards, but many have no problem saying it was their best music. As for artist disatisfaction, artists can be wrong about themselves and have.
Flogging a dead horse? Hmm...! Right!!! I think it's called disagreeing - just a matter of 2 different opinions - my "bargin bin" comment struck a nerve obviously... What can I say... So again, I respect your opinions about the album it was cool talking with you!
No no, "flogging a dead horse" means just what you say. An idiom. It means just that: 2 different opinions incapable of persuading the other. Your bin bargain was repeated by you, I suspect, for a good reason; not just stating an isolated objective fact. Once is enough, no? Not really a nerve you struck, but just a bit of pressure on my part to maybe check a tiny insincerity on yours, no? Ha! But you have ignored my statement about Ian Gillan's view that the songs on this album are good, no?
My comments are what they are you can take them anyway you want to, I'm not trying to win a popularity contest here - If you like the album that's great - debating or disagreeing on the subject is fine - I am not trying to make anyone look like an asshole here, Yes my comment about seeing the album many times in the "bargin bins" was harsh criticism... Yes the masses as a whole do not like this album & that's a fact that can't be changed it's not questionable it's fact!
Hey, ogrebattle, I'm not out to get you. Just confused about the contradiction of what I say and what you say. Ha, even the most brilliant of philosophers never figured this problem out! You're a smart, sincere guy. Ha, but come on, man, at least you will agree with me on their first album! Right? Anyway, peace, my friend.
I'm not going to debate this nor am I going to put you guys down for liking this album - but this was Black Sabbath's worst selling album to date or one of them anyway... It was not a very good album & Ian Gillian & Tony Iommi have said that they were very disappointed & totally dissatisfied with the albums overall turn out! They have also admitted that this was one of their worst efforts in the bands history!
It was an excellent album, Black Sabbath wasn't very happy with the mix... The dark content of Sabbath's albums pretty much got their later material blacklisted from radio airplay
This was not an excellent album - & to this very day Ian Gillian stills talks about how joining Black Sabbath was not one of his better career moves & yes that's right Toni Iommi has said that this is his least favorite album - it is considered Black Sabbath's worst album - & quite frankly I agree with that statement - I'm not saying you can't like it or that you have to agree with me - I'm simply stating the facts - the mix was just one of many bad things about this album - horrible! horrible!
Masterpiece??? Are you kidding me? Listen I'm not putting you down or trying to make you look stupid but lets look at the facts here for what they are - this is their worst selling album ever in interviews Gillian & Iommi have trashed this album themselves! Gillian has admitted many times in many interviews that he had made a mistake joining Black Sabbath & he did not fit the particular style they were looking for!
Ogrebattle...oh, I like that name! Should be a metal band. But sales do lie, my friend. I go into a book store and Dostoyevski is going for $3.95 in the bin while Johnny Rottin's goin' for $26.99. Actually I have this built in mechanism to zoom in on whatever the vulgar crowd doesn't want to buy. Music is a very SUBJECTIVE affair. Forget about what Gillian or Iommi think. It's the muse. Ha, even whales would call your best of Sabbath crap! No, I know my own mind & really like what I like. Peace.
You made your point - as I said you can like whatever you want I'm not trying to put you down or change your mind about it - I just have heard it myself & have seen & heard many interviews from Gillian & Iommi who have both trashed this album overall - Yes for some reason the album did quite well in the U.K. - However, it did not do very well here in the States! I can appreciate your not wanting to listen or buy what may seem to be everybody else's listening pleasure & I respect that! Peace!
Alright, ogrebattle, I can see you are a very intelligent man. You stand your ground well. But hey, as an example, what do you think of Zero The Hero? I mean, this is Iommi at his best, no? What a merciless bone crushing rift! And remember, all artists at one time began with little confidence in their product. I once wrote a poem and sent it in more or less as a joke, and I ended up with 3 ladies from a local poetry anthology knocking on my door. Well, HERE, the joke is on Iommi and Gillian.
Well to be honest with you I kind of think "Trashed" with Iommi's cool solo in the middle of the song is good, & "Disturbing the priest" after that I don't like it! I'm not crazy about "Zero the hero"!
Okay, fair enough. Anyway, I remember years ago walkin' into a music store to buy the CD version of Born Again (I wore out my LP and tape), and the music dude told me it wasn't being made on CD. I couldn't believe it at the time. But I understand now it had to do with the mix and bad record sales--is this correct?
Well I don't pretend to know all the details regarding this album - but the mix was only one of a shit load of problems with this album overall! Again, it sold well in the U.K. for some reason, but here in the states the album sales were abysmal. Here in the states I guess because of how badly sales were(really bad by the way) record companies just didn't want to invest the time or money to put this record onto cd at the time! Honestly who could blame them.
Oh ok,I get your meaning now frehley.I thought you were referring to the album Heaven & Hell.You are very correct,this one kicks some serious ass.I don't have it on CD yet,I only have it on cassette.(sigh)Man I'm behind.
Great album. The live stuff with Gillan that's floating aroung You Tube is awesome too...particularly his version of Heaven and Hell. Very underrated record!
when my dad toured with sabbath,he used to do there pyro on the side for fun,and when at the studio he would test all his bombs and shit in the driveway of the studio,and they just so happend to live next to a church,and the preist would allways yell at my dad,because hed be disturbing them all during mass and shit like that..
yea i kno. apparently geezer and iommi are the reason why dio left too. i guess thats what happens when you get these giant legends in one room. all their egos can't fit! haha
I think they worked best with Ozz. I mean, even when he became a legend/star/w;e he was still very humble and always took suggestion (although most claim he didn't write like any of his songs I don't believe that) and probably wasn't the creative diva I imagine someone like Dio could be. Also I think he was kindof more humble as a writer and singer with sabbath cuz he grew up with them. Then again it allegedly carried on with Blizzard. And Ian just didn't fit with Sabbath at all just saying.
Butler pretty much wrote all of the lyrics on the Ozzy era of Sabbath. So, even if you do not prefer Dio and Gillan, their songs were mostly their own lyrics as opposed to Ozzy. I like it all, so I am just trying to be informational, not argumentative (for a change, lol).
Yea I know he didn't write much but what he did write he was very open to change and suggestion about that's what I'm saying. I think Dio was probably a bit of a control freak over his music and you can tell as you compare his solo work to Sab work (Heaven and Hell basically is the same as Holy Diver in alot of aspects, especially the riffs, and one of the new sab songs sounds like a Rainbow in the Dark ripoff). They should've left the writing to Geezer
seen live best fn trip made ozzy dio lookkk like shit good for tony g n wARD N MR gillennn u make ozzy loke like he is he sucksssssss dickkkkk no tALen ttt
This song is a metal masterpiece in my mind. I remember the first time I heard it, I was drunk reading a bio on Vincent Van Gogh. Somehow it fit. Vincent was going to become a priest but later ended up becoming a painter who fell in love with whore and sent her his ear.
this is probably one of the evilest sounding songs ever made! fuck yea this song rules. ian did a great job, i heard ian left because of butler and iommi. when they mixed the album, he was angry with the way butler mixed it. go figure. but this album fucking rules.
Black Sabbath are my favorite band and I am loyal to ozzy as first singer but Dio Mob rules is awesome and this album just kicks ass. I still have this cassette and listen to it in my car all the time. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! hahahahahhahha ohhhhhhhh!!!!!!
i think everyone has their own ideas about what is heavy...i tend to think it has more to do with the riff itself rather than tuning "iron man" is very heavy and tuned standard
Why did Ian leave Black Sabbath in the first place? Tony Iommi should've tried to get him back, instead of making all those crappy albums (which temporarily ended with Dehumanizer, but then they made 2 more bad albums). Any other singer than Ozzy, Dio or Gillan, any other drummer than Ward or Appice, any other bassist than Geezer, and it just ain't the same.
Undoubtedly one of the worst album covers of all time. It was supposed to be intentionally bad so that the artist would get fired so that he would only work for Ozzy. But Tony loved it. And Ian said it made him puke.
Masters of reality is tuned to E flat....not way down. Just one step down from standard 440. Further down is Korn, Rage (D), and even Queens of the Stone Age who has songs tuned as low as C. Having played every song on MoR you, either played the song on a 440 tuned instrument one fret down, or tune to E flat. And voila, the trick, she is done.
Actually, the tuning Iommi used on the earlier albums was more a result of necessity, than design.
In his pre-Sabbath years, he suffered an accident in which he seriously injured his fingers - he lowered the tuning of his guitar as a way to reduce string tension, to allow for greater comfort while playing.
Strange to think that if Tony hadn't injured himself, metal as we know it today would probably be very different.
I love The album and The Cover...I wonder why Gillan Didn't Like It?
abe1sapien 3 years ago
this album literrally does sound scary, the tracks i mean, the riffs are so fukin heavy for one guitar and teh whole album just sounds evil and morbid
danophile07 3 years ago
purple sabbath!!!!!!!!
jp420dunwoody 3 years ago
NO OZZIE...
Yuck
Tony iommi is still The JihadJEsus of guitar though
CrimsonToast 3 years ago
Classic Sabbath. Only Iommi could come up with that kind of intro and powerful riff. Too bad we never heard a follow up LP with this line up.
JohnMichaelOzbourne 3 years ago
I saw Black Sabbath this tour. Ian Gillan litterally bailed mid tour!! I think Pittsburgh was the 1st for the sub lead singer... he became the lead singer for Badlands I think. Still remeber a great show!!
teezrus 3 years ago
That was Ray Gillen, 3 years later
JohnnyangelNIU 3 years ago
I believe the warm up band on that tour was Guifrea. Ex Keyboardist from Angel. Not sure the spelling of the name though.
paguaplayer 3 years ago
A typo is when you spell a word wrongly..ie..typoo..what you did was miss out an entire word, that's not a typo that's just fucking stupidity !
seventiesclassic 3 years ago
i love how the guitars in this song sound so awesomely twisted! And Ian delivers the goods yet again!
MegaMaiden416 3 years ago
such an evil album, one of the few songs to actually scare me,
mrfenderbenderman 3 years ago
my sister is afraid of the cover of this disc kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
guiTrangers 3 years ago
I know that but, this line up was suppose to be a different band too.
Traductus5972 3 years ago
You Sab fans! God bless ya! take a little time and listen to the song (UNder the Gun )by Deep purple! Perfect strangers album. You will love it!! Sabbath rules tho!!
archeeizm 3 years ago 2
Could get me but kicked. but probably the best sabbath song ever!!!
archeeizm 3 years ago 3
kickass!!
elric101 3 years ago
you know this was suppose to be a totaly different band but the record company made them keep the name Black Sabbath
Traductus5972 3 years ago
One of the best concerts I ever went to. Ian Gillans voice was crazy. Sabbath 4 ever..
ftw337 3 years ago 2
Gillan is shrieking like a banshee in the song but for some reason, it is appealing. This is an underrated album and same is said for the song. Iommi's tone is like a chainsaw. ROCKS
andy0273 3 years ago 4
great album i saw them on this tour one of the best album covers every
dagwood002448 3 years ago
some think that this album sucked...in 1983 i bought it and was blown away!! even today i listen to it and am amazed how well gillan and sabbath jelled!
gibsongold1970 3 years ago 8
Holy...%$#@$......I never heard Ian Gillan like this.....this song is wayyyyyover the top.....but awesome!!!
yousaiditzero 3 years ago 3
part of the martin years......
beserker1912 3 years ago
Iommi's riffs and Geoff Nicholl's organ work in this song is just incredible..
JohnnyangelNIU 3 years ago
what the hell
CAPTIONJOY 3 years ago
but... what about iommi? i luvs iommi!!
zoso445 3 years ago
gillan suited sabbath alot more than dio
mrfenderbenderman 3 years ago
compared to ozzy it sucked
thegrindking180 3 years ago
Turn the hose on them.
pkrwd 3 years ago
Sabbath was also good with Tony Martin
whitesoxgeorge 3 years ago 4
you are so right about that dude!!!
aldoreza49 3 years ago
Ozzy would be a fucking spaceship
saynotodrug999 3 years ago 3
I own a Corolla & if Dio is the Corolla of Rock then I don't think i'll be buying that Ferarri after all!
jimmywires500 3 years ago
the cd cover is disturbing...
seagullsummer 3 years ago
Hey just imagine if Rob Halford and MAtt Barlow did a duet of this. That would be killer! What do you guys think?
mkadragtonslayer 3 years ago
The gospel according to Geezer!
VoidTerraFirma 3 years ago
Dio is metal god!
allu222 3 years ago
pity this is gillian
mrfenderbenderman 3 years ago
this isnt dio......
Chwisy 3 years ago
Gillan more great that the metal god!
Tolo123 3 years ago
Yeah But This Is IAN GIILEN! Lead singer of Deep Purple
THECLASH1994 3 years ago
U will go crazy listening to this when ur high
Chwisy 3 years ago
one the best album of metal history
shuldinako 3 years ago 2
esto es lo que llamo heavy metal!
xanderc7 3 years ago
this drumbeat is sopposed to be a satanic beat of the druids
archeeizm 3 years ago
UN FREAKIN REAL!!!!
archeeizm 3 years ago 2
This is fucking METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exploder1992 3 years ago 3
if anyone were to replace him im glad it was ian,
mrfenderbenderman 3 years ago
purple sabbath....hmmmmm
yesterdaysTomSawyer 3 years ago
Deep Sabbath.....Or if Floyd and Purple got together, Pink Purple.....
SephynnXx 3 years ago
I prefer Black Purple but then again if Uriah heep & Purple combined it would lead to Deep Heap so I don't think this should be advised!
jimmywires500 3 years ago
That was a really good one man. It is funny how someone actually thought of that. Very original. I would hate to buy a cd from Deep Heep because it would be a heep of crap,lol. Both great bands but, the name does'nt settle well with me. It smells weird....
SephynnXx 3 years ago
Hail Gillan!
Tolo123 3 years ago 2
Ian is so passionate on stage and in his singing. The Greatest!
thedivys 3 years ago 4
Gillan is god! It's for any heavy metal band!
Ozzy not!
Tolo123 3 years ago 2
I agree, Gillian is the best.
JoeAuriun 3 years ago 4
I personally prefer Deep Purple and Ozzy wit Sabbath alot more than this, but this songs still badass, and how can you not love Gillians voice?
TheRockNRollZombie 3 years ago
I saw this tour in Copenhagen.Lita Ford open'd.Great.but far from the best consert I have seen.
rolenberg 3 years ago
Geoff Nicholls organ and keyboard work in between the guitar breaks is breathtaking. Picture walking through a cemetery on a dark night..
JohnnyangelNIU 3 years ago
Flippin brutal. I didnt know Gillian could sound so amazing.
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This isnt black sabbath.... its crap by Ian Gillan.. the real black sabbath was in 1970-1978 with ozzy osbourne.
Chwisy 3 years ago
FU. You don`t have a clue. I saw this tour & I love Sabbath W/ Ozzy but this F`in rocks.
bushbashr 3 years ago
Holy SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!The first time I heard this song I was a freshman in high school and I was over at this dude's house getting really fuckin high! And he put this song on full blast and I was fucking freaking the fuck out! In between looking at the album cover and listening to the whole album I thought this dude who was getting me high was actually the devil in disguise and he was gonna kill me!!!
brkdaice 3 years ago 6
The guy screams like the devil himself!
Fymious 3 years ago 4
Fuckin' heavy as hell for Sabbath
SlayerMaidenEnemy 3 years ago
My favorite song with,Ian Gillan!!
RevengeAttack 3 years ago 4
WOW! Satan is alive and winning souls.
amore101 3 years ago
Great song, but I agree with Gillan, the mix makes me want to puke.
edthehead1975 3 years ago
and they say disturbia by rihanna is scary. BULLSHIT.
beserker1912 3 years ago 5
Born Again was released in 1983 gvqcs.
Godflesh88 3 years ago
I saw this tour in New Haven Connecticut, Quiet Riot opened. Sabbath was Intense, One of the Coolest shows I've ever been to. Very Cool stageshow and EXTREMELY LOUD!!!! Ian Gillian was great,Personally this is one of my favorite sabbath albums, MY favorite.
propolispills 3 years ago
I mean years
gvqcs 3 years ago
in wich wears this album has been released?
gvqcs 3 years ago
original - 83
remaster - 96
Santuary records re-issue - 2004
The Sanctuary re-issue has much nicer liner notes and higher quality printing on the insert than the 96 issue. Only available in Europe. I imported mine.
edthehead1975 3 years ago
Born Again is the most scariest album of black sabbath. Seriously. It's fun to listen lights out. Try.
KazilTheDarkeye 3 years ago 3
xDDD
carolinnocenti 3 years ago
Friends, try Gustav Mahler's Tragic. Really. Trust me.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
Lol, can't get through with x no. of words!
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
beep beep beep!
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
I have had 23 poems published in a poetry anthology. No big deal. Poems are good, but to me, they are mere shadows of life. The one line in this album that keeps sticking in my mind is "...plastic retards floating in circles." Ha, a very good line! There are other good ones in this album, as well. And how history keeps repeating itself--the first time is tragedy, the second time, farce!
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
That is one creepy album cover there
supermario10172 3 years ago
The blood-red baby with the yellow nails and fangs on the cover is no illusion. All of the beautiful newborn babies in the paper are quietly marked with sin, evil, hatred, envy, gluttony, pride, slothfulness, lust gone wild, the trickery of car salesmen (Hermes), cowardice....yet to come, no?
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
it really pisses me off that ian gillian doesnt think this album is great . how i wished he stayed with sabbath because with purple all he does is sing lame lyrics between solos
ignatzjones 3 years ago
Ian Gillan & BLACK SABBATH are BITCHIN'!
GILLAN, along with Mark Farner of Grand Funk Railroad, the best true rock vocalists worldwide and through the Solar System.
Ian Gillan, Thanks For The Memories...
Solitude To My Neighbors on the Gulf Coast as IKE says "Hello". We're with you in Texas and Mississippi.
EdenMonroesMom 3 years ago 2
Fuck those evil priests.
phrydoom 3 years ago 2
gillian *fckngreat*
dio *\m/*
ozzy *legend*
Iommi *changed music forever*
sabbath!
fochetti 3 years ago
Watch out for religion when he gets too near too near
fochetti 3 years ago
Yes even a bargin bin cd can be a masterpiece if the person that's listening to it convinces himself it is! But then again what do we the masses know about good music anyway!
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
"But then again what do we the masses know about good music anyway!" Ogrebattle, you ask a very philosophical question which has been debated through the centuries by the greatest minds. But just remember, the subjectivity of this matter of good music is inextricaby linked to objectivity. I haven't figured it out. That's for sure.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
It wasn't a question it was a comment made to sound like a question! I am still puzzled as to how you make the claim that this album is a masterpiece! I also have been trying here & there to find interviews with Gillian & Iommi where you have made claims that they liked the album... I haven't found any but if you do have them available I'd like for you to send them to me..
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
Well, ok, you're still mocking the bin, no? Ha, a big mistake with a big presupposition on your part! You know, good ol' Dostoyevski is in there for $3.99 while Steven King is goin' for $21.98. HA! A fucking joke! Why? Well, have you ever read "Crime and Punishment" vs a King book? I have read both and the diffeence is astronomical in Dos's favor./ A masterpiece (to me), you ask? Well, I already explained it to you./ As for evidence of Gillian, it was a Black Sabbath doc on 2 VHS cassettes.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
Hey pal nobody's mocking anybody - I just said I was still puzzled by your claims about this album being a masterpiece! I'm not mocking you - if that's what you think...
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
Also which documentary are you talking about - because I'd like to look into it - if I'm wrong then I'm wrong... could you send it to me or tell me where I can go to see it?
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
Testing one two fucking three!
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
Ha, but come gentlemen, the greatest metal force of all time was Tschaikovski's Francesca da Rimini! Way back before Black Sabbath, Tschaikovski was the heavy metal man of classical music. Ho ho, don't dare disagree with me until you have read & understood Dante's "Infernal," & then turned this masterpiece by Tschaikovski up full volume! This Born Again album by Sabbath, to me, actually comes the closest. And yes, Tschaikovski can be found in the bargain bin, too, where only fools walk on by.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
I love the slave marche by tschaikovski
landocamo 3 years ago
Yes, that one and Tschaikovski's 1812 Overture were his 2 biggest hits. Capricco Italien is a great one, too. Beethoven's Wellington's Victory is a wild one worth listening to. I remember hearing many years ago about a live performance of Tschaikovski's 1812 Overture when a cannon exploded incorrectly, killing the man who fired it. Not good, but imagine a concert with real cannons going off! Ha, that's another reason why I like to think of Tschaikovski as the heavy metal man of classical music!
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
Ha, hey, ogrebattle, I'm really impressed with your username! What a name for a metal band!
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
Yes, ratbatblue555, I don't mind.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
I own it and love it,will always be a part of my Sabbath collection. I never base my musical taste on fn album sales anyway,I have great memories listening to this.
MetalMelissa 3 years ago
I do not let album sales dictate whether or not I like an album either - I have heard this album a few times & just did not like it - it's a matter of taste, hey you like what you like! Right? Its just that everytime I've seen the import version of this cd it's always in the bargin bin!
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
You contradict yourself, no? You say it has nothing to do with album sales, that it's just a matter of taste; but you seem to be objectively measuring it by taste because you see ("its just that everytime...") it in the bargain bin. Emily Dickinson never made a dollar on her poetry while alive. She got rejected by the so called experts who suddenly changed their minds after her death. And though she became an immortal genius-- lots of bucks were made--she now sits quietly in the bargin bin. Ha
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
No I am speaking for what I think of the album - & yes if you go in any music store 99% of the time you will find that cd in the bargin bins so how I am contradicting myself - I don't hide the fact that I don't like the album - if you like the album then good for you - I don't & I have no problem saying that either... Your the one who was calling it a masterpiece - & it's no secret that the album is terrible & that it that it sold horribly - so what are you talking about? Contradicting myself?
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
When you follow up your disregard for the album with the disregard of the masses, ie., the bargain bin, you seem to be engaging in 'argumentum ad populum', meaning a fallacy of trying to prove something by showing that the public agrees with you. If you say no, then ok. You invalidate the album's worth by other means. As for my calling it a masterpiece, it's meant as a work done with extraordinary skill and creativity. Technical problems & the artist's disatisfaction as proof are questionable.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
Listen I gave my opinion of the album - & said I didn't like it - I also said that if you liked the album then good for you - I also said that you were obviously entitled to your opinion... If you don't like the harsh criticism that I gave the album OH WELL! Also my opinions about the album & the comments I made were based on many different interviews & other factors which by the way are not speculation... How can you say that technical problems & artists disatisfaction as proof are questionable
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
Well, I guess I'm flogging a dead horse here--we're repeating ourselves too much. Actually, I did see an interview with Ian Gillian and he did say that there are a lot of good songs on the Born Again album. This contradicts what you're saying. As for technical problems, for eg., there was their first album which was recorded in a crude way by today's standards, but many have no problem saying it was their best music. As for artist disatisfaction, artists can be wrong about themselves and have.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
Flogging a dead horse? Hmm...! Right!!! I think it's called disagreeing - just a matter of 2 different opinions - my "bargin bin" comment struck a nerve obviously... What can I say... So again, I respect your opinions about the album it was cool talking with you!
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
No no, "flogging a dead horse" means just what you say. An idiom. It means just that: 2 different opinions incapable of persuading the other. Your bin bargain was repeated by you, I suspect, for a good reason; not just stating an isolated objective fact. Once is enough, no? Not really a nerve you struck, but just a bit of pressure on my part to maybe check a tiny insincerity on yours, no? Ha! But you have ignored my statement about Ian Gillan's view that the songs on this album are good, no?
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
My comments are what they are you can take them anyway you want to, I'm not trying to win a popularity contest here - If you like the album that's great - debating or disagreeing on the subject is fine - I am not trying to make anyone look like an asshole here, Yes my comment about seeing the album many times in the "bargin bins" was harsh criticism... Yes the masses as a whole do not like this album & that's a fact that can't be changed it's not questionable it's fact!
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
Hey, ogrebattle, I'm not out to get you. Just confused about the contradiction of what I say and what you say. Ha, even the most brilliant of philosophers never figured this problem out! You're a smart, sincere guy. Ha, but come on, man, at least you will agree with me on their first album! Right? Anyway, peace, my friend.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
Sales don't lie!
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
I'm not going to debate this nor am I going to put you guys down for liking this album - but this was Black Sabbath's worst selling album to date or one of them anyway... It was not a very good album & Ian Gillian & Tony Iommi have said that they were very disappointed & totally dissatisfied with the albums overall turn out! They have also admitted that this was one of their worst efforts in the bands history!
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
It was an excellent album, Black Sabbath wasn't very happy with the mix... The dark content of Sabbath's albums pretty much got their later material blacklisted from radio airplay
goldenbrick2 3 years ago
This was not an excellent album - & to this very day Ian Gillian stills talks about how joining Black Sabbath was not one of his better career moves & yes that's right Toni Iommi has said that this is his least favorite album - it is considered Black Sabbath's worst album - & quite frankly I agree with that statement - I'm not saying you can't like it or that you have to agree with me - I'm simply stating the facts - the mix was just one of many bad things about this album - horrible! horrible!
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
This album is a masterpiece. Nothing else is like it and nor surpasses it.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
Masterpiece??? Are you kidding me? Listen I'm not putting you down or trying to make you look stupid but lets look at the facts here for what they are - this is their worst selling album ever in interviews Gillian & Iommi have trashed this album themselves! Gillian has admitted many times in many interviews that he had made a mistake joining Black Sabbath & he did not fit the particular style they were looking for!
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
Ogrebattle...oh, I like that name! Should be a metal band. But sales do lie, my friend. I go into a book store and Dostoyevski is going for $3.95 in the bin while Johnny Rottin's goin' for $26.99. Actually I have this built in mechanism to zoom in on whatever the vulgar crowd doesn't want to buy. Music is a very SUBJECTIVE affair. Forget about what Gillian or Iommi think. It's the muse. Ha, even whales would call your best of Sabbath crap! No, I know my own mind & really like what I like. Peace.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
You made your point - as I said you can like whatever you want I'm not trying to put you down or change your mind about it - I just have heard it myself & have seen & heard many interviews from Gillian & Iommi who have both trashed this album overall - Yes for some reason the album did quite well in the U.K. - However, it did not do very well here in the States! I can appreciate your not wanting to listen or buy what may seem to be everybody else's listening pleasure & I respect that! Peace!
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
Alright, ogrebattle, I can see you are a very intelligent man. You stand your ground well. But hey, as an example, what do you think of Zero The Hero? I mean, this is Iommi at his best, no? What a merciless bone crushing rift! And remember, all artists at one time began with little confidence in their product. I once wrote a poem and sent it in more or less as a joke, and I ended up with 3 ladies from a local poetry anthology knocking on my door. Well, HERE, the joke is on Iommi and Gillian.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
Well to be honest with you I kind of think "Trashed" with Iommi's cool solo in the middle of the song is good, & "Disturbing the priest" after that I don't like it! I'm not crazy about "Zero the hero"!
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
Okay, fair enough. Anyway, I remember years ago walkin' into a music store to buy the CD version of Born Again (I wore out my LP and tape), and the music dude told me it wasn't being made on CD. I couldn't believe it at the time. But I understand now it had to do with the mix and bad record sales--is this correct?
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
Well I don't pretend to know all the details regarding this album - but the mix was only one of a shit load of problems with this album overall! Again, it sold well in the U.K. for some reason, but here in the states the album sales were abysmal. Here in the states I guess because of how badly sales were(really bad by the way) record companies just didn't want to invest the time or money to put this record onto cd at the time! Honestly who could blame them.
ogrebattle22763 3 years ago
Oh ok,I get your meaning now frehley.I thought you were referring to the album Heaven & Hell.You are very correct,this one kicks some serious ass.I don't have it on CD yet,I only have it on cassette.(sigh)Man I'm behind.
ReneeNme 3 years ago
Great album. The live stuff with Gillan that's floating aroung You Tube is awesome too...particularly his version of Heaven and Hell. Very underrated record!
acefrehley2001 3 years ago
Underrated?Could have fooled me,it has the highest album sales of the three albums from the DIO years.
ReneeNme 3 years ago
I love the album cover. I think it's a baby picture of Nancy Grace. LOL
glimmer2158 3 years ago
Love this Album, The Screams are the best. To bad It is just one album with Gillan >has the most possessed screams!
erscience 3 years ago
Gillan loved this album one ova!They had criti-
cized,and always they said it that not singer it for the profile of Black Sabbath!It until forgot
that the had record track "The Fallen".
signodetouro 3 years ago
Where is the Black Sabbath instrumental Stonehenge on youtube is what I meant Should have mentioned that I guess.
Rowsdower 3 years ago
where is stonehenge?
Rowsdower 3 years ago
England dude
porrinholi 3 years ago 2
england wiltshire
sourpips 3 years ago
gillan meets sabbath!always loved this album!
gibsongold1970 3 years ago 4
He does
DBDForever 3 years ago
At like 3:19 he starts to sound like Jack Black LMAO
DBDForever 3 years ago
:S ???
deraickripper 3 years ago
who gives a shit about jack black?
mrmassage 3 years ago
Guillan se arrependeu depois.ele foi taxado
como satanista.
signodetouro 3 years ago
in my opinion its the bass line and more importantly the tone of the bass that makes this song great
arkee71 3 years ago 2
i think this is geezers "shine time" album. listen to the bass in EVERY song on this album. its awesome.
beserker1912 3 years ago 4
when my dad toured with sabbath,he used to do there pyro on the side for fun,and when at the studio he would test all his bombs and shit in the driveway of the studio,and they just so happend to live next to a church,and the preist would allways yell at my dad,because hed be disturbing them all during mass and shit like that..
315edge 3 years ago 3
Another great song from the great album, I love it.
mercifulless 3 years ago
yea i kno. apparently geezer and iommi are the reason why dio left too. i guess thats what happens when you get these giant legends in one room. all their egos can't fit! haha
ZombieHouseFresnoCA 3 years ago
I think they worked best with Ozz. I mean, even when he became a legend/star/w;e he was still very humble and always took suggestion (although most claim he didn't write like any of his songs I don't believe that) and probably wasn't the creative diva I imagine someone like Dio could be. Also I think he was kindof more humble as a writer and singer with sabbath cuz he grew up with them. Then again it allegedly carried on with Blizzard. And Ian just didn't fit with Sabbath at all just saying.
ItsDustinDazzlin 3 years ago
Butler pretty much wrote all of the lyrics on the Ozzy era of Sabbath. So, even if you do not prefer Dio and Gillan, their songs were mostly their own lyrics as opposed to Ozzy. I like it all, so I am just trying to be informational, not argumentative (for a change, lol).
gumborific 3 years ago
Yea I know he didn't write much but what he did write he was very open to change and suggestion about that's what I'm saying. I think Dio was probably a bit of a control freak over his music and you can tell as you compare his solo work to Sab work (Heaven and Hell basically is the same as Holy Diver in alot of aspects, especially the riffs, and one of the new sab songs sounds like a Rainbow in the Dark ripoff). They should've left the writing to Geezer
ItsDustinDazzlin 3 years ago 2
Good post Dazzlin, I agree!
gumborific 3 years ago
seen live best fn trip made ozzy dio lookkk like shit good for tony g n wARD N MR gillennn u make ozzy loke like he is he sucksssssss dickkkkk no tALen ttt
mitch6723 3 years ago
i like the psychotic waltz cover much more!
choulio21 3 years ago
great song
kondurperufour 3 years ago
i thought this song was an in-joke reference to JUDAS PRIEST
rvanegasp 3 years ago
This song is a metal masterpiece in my mind. I remember the first time I heard it, I was drunk reading a bio on Vincent Van Gogh. Somehow it fit. Vincent was going to become a priest but later ended up becoming a painter who fell in love with whore and sent her his ear.
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
this is probably one of the evilest sounding songs ever made! fuck yea this song rules. ian did a great job, i heard ian left because of butler and iommi. when they mixed the album, he was angry with the way butler mixed it. go figure. but this album fucking rules.
ZombieHouseFresnoCA 3 years ago 3
One of the most infernal song ever. Wonderful!
metz3962 3 years ago
Black Sabbath are my favorite band and I am loyal to ozzy as first singer but Dio Mob rules is awesome and this album just kicks ass. I still have this cassette and listen to it in my car all the time. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! hahahahahhahha ohhhhhhhh!!!!!!
88mpny 3 years ago
i think everyone has their own ideas about what is heavy...i tend to think it has more to do with the riff itself rather than tuning "iron man" is very heavy and tuned standard
arkee71 3 years ago 3
we gotta have our own tv station with TRUE CLASSIC MUSIC!!! and only classic!!!
saszer20 3 years ago
this is awesome shit!
arkee71 3 years ago
Why did Ian leave Black Sabbath in the first place? Tony Iommi should've tried to get him back, instead of making all those crappy albums (which temporarily ended with Dehumanizer, but then they made 2 more bad albums). Any other singer than Ozzy, Dio or Gillan, any other drummer than Ward or Appice, any other bassist than Geezer, and it just ain't the same.
RelytNacnud18 3 years ago
Que disco tan oscuro!!! Me encanta!!
ACDCiego 3 years ago
Arrrrhahahah
albonforbes 3 years ago
Undoubtedly one of the worst album covers of all time. It was supposed to be intentionally bad so that the artist would get fired so that he would only work for Ozzy. But Tony loved it. And Ian said it made him puke.
edthehead1975 3 years ago 2
Black Sabbath's heaviest album is undoubtedly Master Of Reality. Tony tuned his guitar a lot down, to get a heavier sound.
Petribe 3 years ago
Masters of reality is tuned to E flat....not way down. Just one step down from standard 440. Further down is Korn, Rage (D), and even Queens of the Stone Age who has songs tuned as low as C. Having played every song on MoR you, either played the song on a 440 tuned instrument one fret down, or tune to E flat. And voila, the trick, she is done.
gumborific 3 years ago
Absolute rubbish. Use your ears.
With the exception of "Solitude" (which was recorded in standard tuning) the entirety of Masters of Reality is in C#.
Listen to "Children of the Grave" for example, how exactly would you achieve the droning rhythm on the lowest string using standard tuning?
urizen123 3 years ago
Both Guitar and Bass are tuned one and a half step down ( C# )
zubrycky 3 years ago
Actually, the tuning Iommi used on the earlier albums was more a result of necessity, than design.
In his pre-Sabbath years, he suffered an accident in which he seriously injured his fingers - he lowered the tuning of his guitar as a way to reduce string tension, to allow for greater comfort while playing.
Strange to think that if Tony hadn't injured himself, metal as we know it today would probably be very different.
urizen123 3 years ago
The guitar's E-string may be tuned to C#, but the bass E string is not. I play bass, so I was not referring to guitar, my bad.
gumborific 3 years ago
The Bass is also tuned down one and a half step.
zubrycky 3 years ago
Heaviest Sabbath album along with Dehumanizer and Volume 4!
theeternalidol 3 years ago 4
listen to " sabotage " :)
madeinpolonia 3 years ago