im not athiest but never would allow myself to call them names or say things like theres no place for them. i also would never do that to other religions. i also appreciate athiests and others do the same.
@Ph0be i'm not actually an atheist. but you can see where there coming from. let's narrow this down a minute- countries with free will are more likely to be atheistic. the countries- im not going to name names- like this are generally countries with a history in christianity, and even today, christianity is a "join or burn" kind of religion in these places- which naturally upsets the people they want to join. and it's everywhere, from politics to churches.
"I agree we live in country with religious freedom, and that's all well and fine, but..."
No, there's no "but"s to the fact that this country has religious freedom. It's not religious freedom if people of a certain religion cannot do something that is perfectly legal and normal.
The settlers would've shipped this caller back to England on the same ship as the Declaration of Independence.
If you are against building a mosque >near< ground zero, you must also be against building a catholic church withing several blocks of an elementry school. I would guess the ratios of priests who abused kids and violently extreme muslims within their respective faiths is somewhat close. A low percentage of each, and both have affected an equal amount os people.
These two idiots piss me off. You are going to hide behind some bullshit freedom of religion argument? You should be ashamed of yourselves. The terrorists were Islamic extremist martyrs. You know damn well why they want to build the mosque there. The very concept of building a mosque there is ridiculous.
There is only one truth out there. When the end comes you'll regret being wrong. Say what you want you'll still be wrong. You were warned time and again.
Here's a simple solution to all this Mosque/church stuff:
You have the money to build it, then build it. You have the money to rebuild it, then rebuild it. No one's going to stop you, but don't expect any handouts from anyone. Do it yourself. Period.
It isn't a mosque. It never was a mosque. It's an Islamic community centre, but does have a prayer area. The people who run it are unrelated to extremeists. It's far enough from Ground Zero to be out of sight - hell, it's further away than a strip club, which no one considers rude, seeing as how they regard GZ as a hallowed ground.
Read "the politically incorrect guide to Islam" the rest of books on islam r watered down and sugared up to attract converts = suckers or to convince gullible people to consider islam as just another misinterpreted peaceful religion. In Seville, Spain, locals stopped construction of another mosque by burying a pig on the site and made sure the news became know to the local media. Islamic law forbids erecting mosques on "pig soiled ground". The Muslims had to cancel the project outright.
I think the terrorist won a huge victory. With a couple Airplanes they managed to tear ruin arguably the most powerful nation in the world economically, socially, and politically. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has cost America more than all the terrorist organizations in the world ever had or could ever dream of having. Stop the fear mongering and hating it's getting us nowhere. Christians need to fucking give killing Muslims a break, after a few K years it should have gotten old by now.
The only exception is Islam because Islam is more than a religion.
Islam dictates how a government should be run, It contains it's own social rules, economic rules, and it dictates a followers entire life with rules that contradict freedom and human rights.
Christianity doesn't support bombinb abortion clinics vs. Islam that supports terrorism against non-believers. Theres your difference.
@StanShazzam The Bible is full of statements of killing people who do not believe. Also, the governmental system of the Old Testament was a monarchy of sorts. I don't see the difference from sharia law and old testament law myself...
1.5 billion people follow still follow ancient Sharia law.
No one follows the old testament anymore.
At some point in time the followers of Judaism and Christianity realized that it is no longer acceptable to behave the way ancient people used to. Science and education gave us answers to things that previous people thought was caused by witchcraft. We learned more about health, sexuality, technology, psychology, etc.
@StanShazzam I know this is an old post, but here goes. Chrisianity contains just as many social laws and rules about goverment and economics (just ask the jews!). Just because christianity have become a bit more civiliced it still supports terror, like in northern Ireland or the new thing: teaching lies to our children in school (biology for instance)!!!
"Freedom of religion" should be read as Freedom of any religion = a true secularised state, the only way forward.
I went to a public school and learned science without any religious intervention.
What is taught in a public madrassa? Biology? Math?
I guess my question is, if a religion exists whose purpose is to wipe out our government and enslave Americans, do we really have to allow that religion to exist in America?
@StanShazzam I live in an secularised country (Sweden). We have our problems with both Islamic And Christian fundamentalists. But in our society most ppl are atheists and it really influence the younger generations of our immigrants. They see that they don't have to follow their parents religion, they have the power to choose for them selves. I think most of them will be non belivers in a generation or two.
@StanShazzam Well I'm an atheist, but yes I do think you have to allow it to exist in America. Why? Because the First Amendment of the United States Constitution requires it.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
At least it doesn't say that religion has a right to build relgious structures where ever they want.
I believe the supreme court has ruled that it is illegal to practice relgious traditions that infringe upon the rights of others or the laws of the nation.
@StanShazzam The ability to build religious structures in any location is protected by the first amendment. Basically, you cannot stop the construction SOLELY on the basis of that groups religious belief. In other words, unless there is a non-religious reason to stop construction (eg.unsafe building location that would stop any construction of similar size and design there) you cannot pick and choose what goes there.
Congresses ability to pass laws restricting religion is extremely limited.
No, I disagree. If building a religious structure at or near the site of a religious fueled terrorist attack is likely to disrupt peace, the government can step in and deny the building.
Our government needs to stop worrying about offending Muslims and just do what is right.
@StanShazzam We are not talking about offending Muslims, I offend Muslims regularly - the fact is they are easily offended. And I am an atheist, I don't believe there is a god or that people should believe in god.
But ultimately it comes down to this. The government doesn't get to decide where people build their religious structures. They can restrict the type of building, they can restrict the design, but they cannot say you cannot put a religious structure here.
There is nothing in the constitution stating that people have the freedoms to build religious structures where ever they want.
There is a thing called zoning laws. The Gov restricts building certain buildings all the time and religious structures are not above the law. A super mosque would interfere with residents and current businesses in the area...so could easily be zoned for non-religious use only.
@StanShazzam There are several points that need to be addressed here. Firstly, it would be unconstitutional to declare an area for non-religious buildings only. Reason? Because it would be impeding the ability of a person or group of people from practising their religious faith. The government does not have that power granted to them under the constitution - it is specifically excluded.
Zoning laws could stop certain DESIGNS of building but it could not stop religious ACTIVITIES in a building.
@StanShazzam To block the construction of any place of worship on the sole basis it is a place of worship of a particular religious group is not allowed under the constitution. The government cannot interfere with the right to be free to worship and believe what they want to believe on the sole basis that the belief system is unpopular. The government is bound to the powers given to it under the constitution. The constitution does not give the government this power, it specifically denies it.
Freedom ends when your actions are unsafe or infringe on the rights and liberties of others.
This is the game the Muslims are playing: They say Islam is like any other religion, and demand the same rights. They say the 9/11 attack had nothing to do with Islam. Both statements are lies.
Once you understand Islam, you see that it is a duty for Muslims to destroy the west. It is their duty to lie and befriend us so Sharia can take over.
@StanShazzam Secondly, on your point about freedom ending when your actions are unsafe or infringe on others rights. Yes that is correct, but being a member of a religious organisation does not mean that you are now infringing on another persons rights. Practicing religious faith in and of itself does not constitute an infringement.
I agree that religion is dangerous, and frankly I would not be sorry to see it disappear. Nevertheless this is not a debate about what is right, but what is the law
@StanShazzam And it would be completely false to say that the 911 attack had nothing to do with islam. That would be a lie, but it would be equally false that all who practise islam are terrorists. Whether or not we agree with their faith is irrelevant, ultimately not all muslims are terrorists.
And most ancient belief systems have parts in them which essentially allow people to commit terrorist acts. I would argue that portions of the bible are actually worse than the Koran.
@StanShazzam And at the end of the day all those who participated in 911 (as far as we are aware) were muslim. But not all muslims participated in 911.
The thing with freedom is that freedom does not end when its unpopular. No matter how unpopular your speech is you retain the right to speak. No matter how stupid your religion is you retain the right to practise it. Rights and freedoms are there to protect the unpopular belief, popular beliefs do not require legal protection to continue.
They are still fighting a religious holy war. Their tactics have changed over the years but we have seen it all over the world. It starts with Moderate Muslims. They grow their numbers essentially taking over a city (dearborn for ex). As they grow in #, fundamentalists hide with them and grow their violent ideals and demand rights and privileges. Then when they get enough people, the fundamentals take over power and demand sharia. It's happened in UK, France, Germany...we r next
@StanShazzam Yes I agree that there are a number of muslims engaged in a holy war. There are a lot of fundamentalists. But what is in question here is simply: Can the government prevent people from building religious structures in an area. The answer is simply no.
The government can restrict the size or design of a building, but they cannot restrict a building being used for religious purposes. That is the purpose of my argument.
@SeanACampbell I am an atheist too, but I have studied Islam, Catholicism, Christianity, Buddism, and Hindu. I am telling you, Islam is dangerous. The proverbial wolf in sheeps clothing.
This Mosque represents a victory, and infilration into America.
Check out vids about Dearborn, Mi. it's a friggin mess.
Thats a small scale trial for the rest of the USA.
While they are free to practice their religion, they are not free to subvert our laws and build where ever they want.
@StanShazzam I agree Islam (and most other religions for that matter, in their very design) are dangerous. I don't doubt that for the second.
I am not defending religion.
I am not defending terrorism.
I am not even commenting on whether the law is right.
I am simply saying that under the current constitution, if a law was passed which said that a religious building could not be built SOLELY because it was a religious building - then that law would be unconstitutional whether we like it or not.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
1. The law would prevent the free exercise of their religion
2. The law would violate their right to freedom of speech (See NAACP_v._Alabama)
3. It would violate their right to peaceably assemble.
NAACP_v._Alabama has nothing to do with this situation.
Denying a permit to build a super mosque near a site of Islamic terrorism is not taking away their free excercise to practice their religion UNLESS you acknowledge that terrorizing and building religious structures over places they conquer is part of practicing their religion.
They are already peacefully assembling in the area, thats not infringed. They are still free to speak AND they are free to build elsewhere.
@StanShazzam It does, as the court established that freedom of association is a specific right as part of speech protection.
It was not a super mosque, it was a community centre containing a prayer centre. And it was not at ground zero, it was a few blocks away.
The fact one group of people who consider themselves muslims commited a serious offense does not mean all who consider themselves muslims intend to commit similar offenses. The establishment of places of worship is part of religion.
@StanShazzam The fact that one particular religious faith is unpopular does not mean it loses constitutional protection. After all, constitutionally protected rights are not needed to protect popular beliefs and activities - they are needed to protect unpopular beliefs and activities and to limit government control over their personal lives.
If the community centre had a "bomb building class" that would be one thing. A place of worship is not the same thing.
@StanShazzam And it is infringing because it is essentially giving the government the power to regulate where you can and cannot practise religious faith. Once you allow the government to cross that line, you leave all your rights open to regulation based on suspicion and unpopularity.
He who gives up a little liberty to gain a little security deserves neither and loses both.
@StanShazzam After all, the constitution says "Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
Free exercise is the key point there. Not free exercise unless the religion is unpopular. Not free exercise unless someone in a related group was a terrorist. Not free exercise so long as the government is happy about it.
The statement is clear. Unless their religion directly encroaches on another persons rights (directly, not just makes people a bit uncomfortable).
"9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Pretty mild compared to a lot of biblical verses I've seen.
1when this imbecile told the guy to 'go away', did he actually have an example of a christian bombing an abortion clinic
2 is all it takes for something negative to be pinned on religion is some one claiming to be from that religion? if i where to say 'im atheist' then go rape a bitch or kill someone or anything else thats evil/bad (two different things) that means i could call for the end of atheism?
anyone who says they should not be allowed to put a musque there is really arrogant. Because what they are actually doing is compearing those terrorist, and putting them in the same group as normal religous muslims. Thats like me saying ""No, you cant have any more boys in catholic churches because a few priests raped some boys"""
if more religions get big in america, then atheism will gain a lot from it. when people are exposed to many religions, they tend to realize how stupid the whole concept of religion is, and that christianity isn't the first religion. they'll realize the pattern and atheism will get bigger.
@MrWizardWithin also your only argument that you yourself didnt refute was you repeatedly saying im a drunk idiot. where in there do you see a smart person. finally i say go sit in the corner
@MrWizardWithin ok i now understand that you are perfectly fine with sayign that israel did it without giving any reason why they would or how they would. and also to basicly say i can use media youcant and when i give credible sources and oyu dont you call me an idiot and run away. good job
@MrWizardWithin chose not to argue publicly bullshit i was trying to post links but youtuibe wouldnt let me so i pmed you thme. god your ability to comprhend ANYTHING is laughable
@MrWizardWithin those werent accounts of history they were information on al queda osama binladen if thats history too bad it is valid and your link was history to it wasnt happening the second i whatched it thus it happened in the past = history. your an idiot.
@MrWizardWithin ok so a popular website is mainstream media? ex wikipedia YOUTUBE etc you haven't given any EVIDENCE you have just said that the media lies the media lies over and over and over. have you ever seen a jihad video if you haven't google it because obviously you don't have a tv. and you haven't said what they get as a benefit and then why haven't we gone to THEM if they did it. and if some stupid paranoid person on the internet knows why doesn't the government know
@MrWizardWithin ok well the begining of the video that picture at the begining is complete bullshit. anti semitism is not communism communism is the idea that you give your money to the government and they spend it on roads hospitals food clothes etc. this dosnt work in our world because peopel get greedy and take bits out for themselves. and adressinmg your coment what about the jihad
look here im goign to post links in another coment
basicly saying that because muslim extremists attacked us means they can't build buildings? if we go to war with say germany and they bomb a spot does that mean germans cant build buildings 5 blocks away. and someoen in my town is an idiot :(
@MrWizardWithin the mosque was going to be built i think it was 5 blocks away or 3 blocks away. you cant even see it the media blew it WAY out of proportion.
@BEN1969350 the mosque was going to be built i think it was 5 blocks away or 3 blocks away. you cant even see it the media blew it WAY out of proportion.
and you know- you KNOW- they will take that message and run with it. Perhaps even using it as a recruitment tool. Last time I looked it was the fringe islamic groups that were killing people, not the moderates. So even though I believe in religious freedom, it would be in our best interest not to do so. Also, why the hell do they INSIST on building it in that spot. Why not elsewhere? Allowing it to be built elsewhere would show our tolerance toward muslims as well wouldn't it?
@Cerulean0987 the mosque was going to be built i think it was 5 blocks away or 3 blocks away. you cant even see it the media blew it WAY out of proportion.
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@anthony4canada Interesting. How exactly do you come to that conclusion. Do you happen to know these terrorists or have some kind of secret knowledge of their ultimate plot? You are expressing your view, not theirs. It's your opinion, not theirs. It's through your world view, not theirs. And it's one of the mistakes so common with the left. You think your opinion is from Gods mouth to your ear. Try something new. Explore the reasons you might not be comfortable with. You might learn something.
Some people are so worried about the funding of this particular center but not concerned about the funding of some of the political ads or campaigns. This whole "mosque" thing is nothing more than a political tool.
Here's a thought. Let's do away with protecting religion, any religion, under the constitution. Not ban it just say religion has no innate right that is different than any other ideology. What would change? I mean other than religious leaders getting special status because they're religious. Each religion could then be judged on it's own merit. And then we'd be singing a different tune about Islam, wouldn't we. It's all perspective.
@mydogbanjo Yes, perspective. Let's compare Crusades / Inquisition Christianity with the Golden Age of Islam. The worst of Christianity's history versus the best of Islam's history.
It's retarded, as is the arguement that Islam is inherently worse than Christianity. Both have the same inherent evils and atrocities, the only difference is the role of government amongst the religions of today. The US Constitution doesn't protect a religion, but does elevate it above atheism (which is wrong).
@IaoGawd You don't seem to be well informed about the different religions. There are differences. For one, Buddhism has some great philosophies concerning the state of the mind and conciousness without invoking a god. And they don't strap bombs onto their young people to go out and murder people they disagree with, specificly because of their religion. At this point in history, Islam is worse than Christianity and much worse than most others.
Excuses for butting in I always get a bit irritated whenever Buddhism gets revered in the religion/violence discussion. Buddhists have & do kill one another over political-theological differences.
The theology of reincarnation has often been used as a neutralizer of the intuitive-morality (innate respect for life) of soldiers who are reluctant to massacre. Death means nothing as the dead will live again. Maybe the next time they'll have it better. Killing is giving a 2d chance.
@8blkcat There's a variety of buddhist "denominations" of which very few if any would endorse a suicide, or murder for the reason of reincarnation. If you know of some examples please post your source. I could post about 20,000 incidents of Muslim examples within just the last ten years. My point in using Buddhism is to contrast religions against each other to show that they are not all the same, and do not all use violence like Islam does. There are always exceptions, but they are exceptions.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. The misrepresentation of this argument is stupid. The mosque is 2 blocks away not 5. And no , no one says it should be stopped for legal reasons! They want it stopped for their own personal concept of morality. This is a supremacist mosque weather you admit it or not, and to hang up on the guy for not buying your bs, well, your just proving how weak your argument really is. Just keep licking the boots of Islam you goofs, Pat Condell hit the nail on the head about this one.
@mydogbanjo It doesn't matter how hateful a Church is because America is a secular nation, a Republic of Constitutional laws. No Christian Churchs have ever been shutdown in American history for their racism, sexism, or overt threats against other Americans.
Only if we abandon separation of Church and State do the Islamic radicals have any chance of 'destroying' America. But, I promise you, if Amerika becomes a theocracy, it will be under the Cross... ruled by our own Christian extremists.
@IaoGawd I agree. But I also am not blind. Islam has no innate good that just needs to be coxed out with hugs and kisses. I have no problem with the law as it stands and if the mosque is built, so be it. But I have an opinion, and it is my opinion about Islam that I am expressing, which is protected as free speech the last time I looked. Opinion. I'm expressing my opinion. What about you? Do you have an opinion on Islam? Or are you just a Christian only atheist?
@mydogbanjo What part of my stance for secular, Constitutional laws did you not get? How would that view somehow favor one religion over another?
I don't like organized religion AT ALL. It's said that 90% of the world's population believes in God, yet no one can agree on what God's name is, what He looks like, and what He wants. Since they can't agree, they KILL each other over their "difference in opnion."
I can just as easily paint Christianity with their own 'intolerance' brush.
@IaoGawd What part of "I agree" don't YOU get? Could you at least read the response. I agree. But I also have an opinion about the rise of Islam. The two are separate issues. I stand by the constitution and I have an opinion about the Islamic Mosque. Here's one for you. Free speech. Are you going to be as passionate about that as you are about freedom of religion? Because so far you seem to think freedom of religion trumps freedom of speech. Let's hear it for my right to speak about the mosque.
@mydogbanjo Congrats on using your freedom of speech... I didn't question your right to voice your opnion, only the opnion itself. Somehow, I'm feeling a deja vu moment similar to when Dr. Laura quit her show after her "n-word rant" and Sarah Palin twittered "Dr.Laura:don't retreat ... reload! (Steps aside bc her 1st Amend.rights ceased 2exist thx 2activists trying 2silence"isn't American,not fair") ."
You opnion is protected, but not from ridicule. You want tolerance for your intolerance?
@IaoGawd Now you're getting it. Muslims have the right to the freedom of religion and I have the right to ridicule it, just like my right to free speech and your right to ridicule it. Finally you're getting around to the issue. And I'm going to ridicule Islam till the cows come home. The UN has a motion on the table to make criticism of Islam illegal. Did you know that? So now it comes down to religion vs free speech. Will you tolerate Islamic intolerance?
@mydogbanjo I'm not getting anything new... you're simply understanding my position correctly.
Yes, I am very familiar with the UN motion to ban "Defamation of Religion." As with most people who believe in human rights and individual freedom, I am appaled at the sheer lunacy of such a proposition. As is quite common these days, the destruction of our rights comes under the banner of 'for your safety.' The 'Patriot Act' basically made it a crime to question the government... to be a patriot.
@mydogbanjo I have no desire to lay down my freedoms for Islam, Christianity, or any other dogmatic worship.
You're laying out all the concerns we should have about the spread of Islam and its tenets... yet seem to be convienently unaware of the real threat -- religious extremism. A fear of Islamic extremists abroad will be like a veil covering the fall of our Constitutional Republic to the extremist followers of the Cross, from the inside.
@IaoGawd I'm concentrating on Islam here because that's the context of the whole mosque thing, however I have a great deal of criticism for Christianity as well. Religions and extreme ideologies should not be exempt from scrutiny and criticism. Maybe we started out saying much the same thing only from different angles or perspectives.
The truth comes out right out of your mouth “I am concentrating on Islam”. Why? You are nothing more than tool working for the man who pays you in shekels. You neither speak for the masses nor look out for the majority. Your allegiance is to the hypocrite whining state of Israel who is bankrupting America one nickel and dime at day while Americans get side tracked by rogue agents such as yourself playing both sides. F U you pimpled face devil worshiper, Islam is here.
@bashie34 As well as being intellectually bankrupt you resort to childish name calling. How droll. Islam was the subject and I gave my opinion. You must feel very intimidated by me to put such passion into such an unsolicited reply. Here's a slice of my personal philosophy. Keep it up, keep exposing yourself and sooner or later the west will wake up from it's PC slumber. If you think Islam can mandate the American experience you are delusional. My condolences to your Doctor.
I got nothing to hide buddy unlike you double agent working for shekels. Muslims want the same freedoms and rights as everyone else , So don't twist others words .Your wouldn't happen to be that moron Terry Jones would you lol? You question my passion , why? I guess you must be amongst the millions out of job , for without passion you are left for dead. So get a heart , because obviously you where dropped on your head as child .
@bashie34 What is it your delusional brain thinks I'm hiding? And whose words am I twisting? You're not being rational! I'm not Terry Jones, I'm just a guy. And I'm working, probably make more in a day than you do in a week. I see from your profile that you are a Jew hater. Very noble cause, for a Muslim or a Nazi that is. No one else would buy your bullshit. Tell me, wise one, why I should hate the Jew down the street that I grew up with and what they did to warrant that hate. Tell me why.
@mydogbanjo who's words am I twisting".? Mine you moron. You just accused of me being a Nazi and Jew hater . Which is find with me because Jew hater = truth Nazi=truth anti-Semite = truth. You than claim you are not a rogue agent but than you show your true colors with your Jewish arrogance stating you make more money in day than I do in week. In which I respond " The Jewish god is money , and your prophet is Rothschild . Are you going to be buried with it you moron? I have MBA in IT Bitch.
I'll tell you why ? you make it sound like I am trying to recruit you. Lets just say if you where an athlete and I was the Owner slash CEO , I would trade you for a bag chips and large coke . If offers did not still come in , I would trade you to the maple leafs , so you can jerk off phaneuf and kassel . I did something that I never do , I checked your profile out, and you are a fellow Canadian. If anything lets agree to disagree and go about our own ways. This is not Israel.
@mydogbanjo That's how we start out on different perspectives: you focus on details (Islam, Christianity), whereas I focus on concept (religion).
To rail against only one faith, for the same shortcomings that befall all religions, tends to come across as 'special pleading' and 'hypcroisy.' People get sucked into debates of "my God" versus "your God" where the right answer is never truth, but mere perception and opnion of truth. Dogmatic institutions are the problem, regardless of name.
@IaoGawd Yes I see your point, and I agree. I'm trying to be careful not to pigeon hole myself into a particular line of reasoning that may become my own dogma. I try to follow the evidence and try to remain skeptical. But we are only human and filled with conscious and unconcious bias'.
If american people denies freedom of religion..FREEDOM in america as we know it would no longer be valid. This is the beginning of a religious war and this is the beginning of the end of freedom of America. Cheers
@UnderlordZ yeah that is so that they didn't have to build one ON GZ. The koran orders to build Mosques directly on the spot where they attacked it, if not it will be punished with death, that is a fact. So they build a Mosque in the WTC so they didn't had to build it on top of GZ because they knew that would mean nuclear war. They have planned this all out, in 5 years they will be marching in on Camels and if you don't kneel down your head will be cut off. Its all in the Koran.
@nilbud NO IT IS TRUE!!!!! MUSLIMS ARE SEND FROM LUCIFERS PLANET LUCIFERNO AND HAVE 1 GOAL, KILLING TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS. THEY WANT THE MOSQUE SO THEY CAN PLAN TERRORIST ATTACKS FROM THERE, THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD A TUNNEL AND BLOW UP GZ, AGAIN!!!!!! ALL MUSLIMS WANT TO DO IS KILL HARD WORKING AMERICANS AND I THINK IT IS WRONG!!!! VOTE PALIN/BECK 2012!!!!!! AMERICA'S ONLY HOPE AGAINST THE SATANIC MUSLIMS!!!!!!!
@UnderlordZ well hello? They are sent from lucifer, he knows a little bit more then you and me. SAVE HARD WORKING AMERICAN, BABY LOVING, PATRIOTIC FREE MARKET FROM THE TYRANNY OF ISLAM!!!!!! EUROPE AND SAUDI ARABIA ARE NOW ALMOST THE SAME111 YOU HAVE BEEN FED PROPAGANDA1!!! THE MUSLIMS ARE MARCHING THROUGH THE OCEAN JUST LIKE IN PIRATS OF THE CAREBEAN!!!!! YOU THINK THAT WAS FAKE? THEY HAD TO COME UP WITH IT FROM SOMETHING, AND IT ARE THE EVIL MUZZIES!!! MMMMMMUUUUUUUZZZZZZZZZIIIIIIIIEEEEEEESSS
This is why societies forbid marrying first cousins... Be grateful that you live in America with a brain like yours, because you would not last a day in third world country. You have just enough brain cells for your heart to continue to beat. So I suggest you head back to school before it’s too late. Look at the bright side; you are not the first in your family to repeat a grade three times lmao.
If he's upset about "terrorist funds" going into building a mosque, then he should be absolutely livid about US dollars going to places like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, where it's redirected straight into al-Quaida's pockets.
I completely agree with you guys, Jeff and Matt. I just wish people could put aside their prejudice and listen to reason. Muslims are deserving of the same rights as Christians or anyone else. (As a side note, even Thomas Jefferson said specifically that Moslems [Muslims] should have religious freedom just like everyone else.)
In memory of all those innocent civilians who were murdered senselessly in ALL GROUND ZEROs around the world, including 9/11 (approx. 3000), Iraq (millions), Afghanistan (millions), Kosovo (millions), Ruwanda (millions), Vietnam (millions), Korea (millions), Hiroshima (millions), Nazi/WWII (millions), etc...Let's hope these darkest moments of human history teach us to forego biggotry, love and forgive each other & unite against all those who have harmed humanity in one way or another.
It`s not a 'victory mosque.' It also has rooms for Christian worship and Jewish worship. It is a church, mosque, synagoge. This idea that Muslims build a mosque everywhere they "conquer" does not apply here as it is not being planned by the group that was responsible for the 911 attacks. To suggest the the imam behind this project is no different from those terrorists just because he is also Muslim is frankly sickening. The imam is no terrorist; the center is not a meeting place for terrorists.
They beat us? How stupid is that; can't this shitkicker see that allowing this community center to be constructed would be seen as a testament to our belief in religious freedom and our adherence to the country's values?? Why can't he SEE that?
Yeah, that always makes me so depressed when I see those poor evangelicals crowded together in their multi-million dollar superchurches, or when I see their leaders whispering directly into the president's ear; "don't ask, don't tell, Mister President, don't ask, don't tell..." yeah, they're so persecuted that sometimes they even need to actually go to the polls to make US policy.
@jerico641 The 'Contract with America' back in 1994 went hand-in-hand with the 'Christian Coalition' bloc inside the Republican Party. Once in power, they passed Federal laws against gays then went on a witch hunt of morality by impeaching Clinton... all led by a man of no morals, Newt Gingrich. Gringrich infamously justified cheating on his wife: "It doesn’t matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.“
im not athiest but never would allow myself to call them names or say things like theres no place for them. i also would never do that to other religions. i also appreciate athiests and others do the same.
Quran871 2 weeks ago
hey i have a honst question for athiests. do you guys beleive in ghosts?
Quran871 2 weeks ago
The CREW! WE LOVE YOU!
guyfromdubai 1 month ago
If Atheist hate religon so much, why do they talk about it? You would think that religon would be the last thing on their mind....
Ph0be 1 month ago
@Ph0be i'm not actually an atheist. but you can see where there coming from. let's narrow this down a minute- countries with free will are more likely to be atheistic. the countries- im not going to name names- like this are generally countries with a history in christianity, and even today, christianity is a "join or burn" kind of religion in these places- which naturally upsets the people they want to join. and it's everywhere, from politics to churches.
dawiccaman 1 month ago
Cool!! Very Infomative..
Flusercom 1 month ago
Good. I like This Video..
Spasatcom 1 month ago
"I agree we live in country with religious freedom, and that's all well and fine, but..."
No, there's no "but"s to the fact that this country has religious freedom. It's not religious freedom if people of a certain religion cannot do something that is perfectly legal and normal.
The settlers would've shipped this caller back to England on the same ship as the Declaration of Independence.
youthank8 1 month ago
@0neofthem
Should Americans fly a plane into it? xD
youthank8 1 month ago
True americans wouldn't stand for this mosque being built. It would be burned to the ground.
0neofthem 2 months ago
If you are against building a mosque >near< ground zero, you must also be against building a catholic church withing several blocks of an elementry school. I would guess the ratios of priests who abused kids and violently extreme muslims within their respective faiths is somewhat close. A low percentage of each, and both have affected an equal amount os people.
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These two idiots piss me off. You are going to hide behind some bullshit freedom of religion argument? You should be ashamed of yourselves. The terrorists were Islamic extremist martyrs. You know damn well why they want to build the mosque there. The very concept of building a mosque there is ridiculous.
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There is only one truth out there. When the end comes you'll regret being wrong. Say what you want you'll still be wrong. You were warned time and again.
CommanderZurtok 3 months ago
Here's a simple solution to all this Mosque/church stuff:
You have the money to build it, then build it. You have the money to rebuild it, then rebuild it. No one's going to stop you, but don't expect any handouts from anyone. Do it yourself. Period.
Forlo12345 4 months ago
These guys are either stupid or funded by Zionists 9/11 was clearly a false flag by mossad as a pretext to invade arab lands.
Chitownboy1023 4 months ago
@Chitownboy1023 WHAT! haha you are fucking insane dude.
phallictractor 4 months ago
@phallictractor I'm insane? You're the one who believes cavemen armed with toothpicks directed by a terminally ill CIA agent pulled off 9/11.
Chitownboy1023 4 months ago
@Chitownboy1023 You're right.
exceptionalasif 3 months ago
Will this mosque now be built or not?
loveandpeace71 5 months ago
@loveandpeace71 NO.
mimikawaii7386 4 months ago
i wanna go to austin just to see this show and eat dinner after
Marioiswicked 5 months ago
There are churches next to abortion clinics too
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largraf 6 months ago
It isn't a mosque. It never was a mosque. It's an Islamic community centre, but does have a prayer area. The people who run it are unrelated to extremeists. It's far enough from Ground Zero to be out of sight - hell, it's further away than a strip club, which no one considers rude, seeing as how they regard GZ as a hallowed ground.
PsychoticSnake 6 months ago
Love how he just machettes that dudes reasoning of it being a victory mosque.
alttaab 7 months ago
multiculturalism is a disaster.
CDLXXVIAD 7 months ago
Haters burn in their self made hell.
answerOfstupids 7 months ago
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Persecution against Christians?
FAIL
Haloid98867 8 months ago
Science flew us to the moon. Religion flew us into skyscrapers.
lovesXtoXspoog 8 months ago 27
@lovesXtoXspoog that is single handidly...the greatest metaphor i ever herd...just needed to tell you that
thehoodlum1919 2 months ago
@lovesXtoXspoog science got us to disbelief and islam bought tawheed
Quran871 2 weeks ago
"then go away."
you made me giggle
HugeDerpGuy 8 months ago
5:32
Like a boss :)
afsdgdfgergerg 9 months ago
Best moment 5:28 - 5:40. Hahaha
wouterhardstyle 10 months ago
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Read "the politically incorrect guide to Islam" the rest of books on islam r watered down and sugared up to attract converts = suckers or to convince gullible people to consider islam as just another misinterpreted peaceful religion. In Seville, Spain, locals stopped construction of another mosque by burying a pig on the site and made sure the news became know to the local media. Islamic law forbids erecting mosques on "pig soiled ground". The Muslims had to cancel the project outright.
jaxlnc 11 months ago
"then go away." LMAO!
baladonian 11 months ago
I think the terrorist won a huge victory. With a couple Airplanes they managed to tear ruin arguably the most powerful nation in the world economically, socially, and politically. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has cost America more than all the terrorist organizations in the world ever had or could ever dream of having. Stop the fear mongering and hating it's getting us nowhere. Christians need to fucking give killing Muslims a break, after a few K years it should have gotten old by now.
shaggzm4 11 months ago
@shaggzm4
In one sentance you say Muslims have already scored a victory. Then in the next you want to stop fighting against Islam.
You can never stop fighting. Islam is a weed that doesn't stop growing and consuming if you turn your back.
People need to be educated about Islam and understand how it works and we must keep fighting.
StanShazzam 11 months ago
@StanShazzam Agreed but add christianity as well.
alienlifeform11 10 months ago
I agree and support freedom of religion.
The only exception is Islam because Islam is more than a religion.
Islam dictates how a government should be run, It contains it's own social rules, economic rules, and it dictates a followers entire life with rules that contradict freedom and human rights.
Christianity doesn't support bombinb abortion clinics vs. Islam that supports terrorism against non-believers. Theres your difference.
StanShazzam 11 months ago
@StanShazzam
Deuteronomy 13:5
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
@Quintinohthree
Sahih Bukhari 1:2:24
StanShazzam 11 months ago
@StanShazzam The Bible is full of statements of killing people who do not believe. Also, the governmental system of the Old Testament was a monarchy of sorts. I don't see the difference from sharia law and old testament law myself...
NewVinland 10 months ago
@NewVinland
Allow me to point out the difference:
1.5 billion people follow still follow ancient Sharia law.
No one follows the old testament anymore.
At some point in time the followers of Judaism and Christianity realized that it is no longer acceptable to behave the way ancient people used to. Science and education gave us answers to things that previous people thought was caused by witchcraft. We learned more about health, sexuality, technology, psychology, etc.
StanShazzam 10 months ago
@StanShazzam I know this is an old post, but here goes. Chrisianity contains just as many social laws and rules about goverment and economics (just ask the jews!). Just because christianity have become a bit more civiliced it still supports terror, like in northern Ireland or the new thing: teaching lies to our children in school (biology for instance)!!!
"Freedom of religion" should be read as Freedom of any religion = a true secularised state, the only way forward.
secularnevrosis 8 months ago
@secularnevrosis
Are you saying that Islam is less civilized than christianity?
Please tell me the verses in the bible that supports terror.
Quran 9:29 does in Islam.
I went to a public school and learned science without any religious intervention.
What is taught in a public madrassa? Biology? Math?
I guess my question is, if a religion exists whose purpose is to wipe out our government and enslave Americans, do we really have to allow that religion to exist in America?
StanShazzam 8 months ago
@StanShazzam I live in an secularised country (Sweden). We have our problems with both Islamic And Christian fundamentalists. But in our society most ppl are atheists and it really influence the younger generations of our immigrants. They see that they don't have to follow their parents religion, they have the power to choose for them selves. I think most of them will be non belivers in a generation or two.
secularnevrosis 8 months ago
@StanShazzam Well I'm an atheist, but yes I do think you have to allow it to exist in America. Why? Because the First Amendment of the United States Constitution requires it.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
SeanACampbell 6 months ago
@SeanACampbell
At least it doesn't say that religion has a right to build relgious structures where ever they want.
I believe the supreme court has ruled that it is illegal to practice relgious traditions that infringe upon the rights of others or the laws of the nation.
I'll have to check around to confirm that.
StanShazzam 5 months ago
@StanShazzam The ability to build religious structures in any location is protected by the first amendment. Basically, you cannot stop the construction SOLELY on the basis of that groups religious belief. In other words, unless there is a non-religious reason to stop construction (eg.unsafe building location that would stop any construction of similar size and design there) you cannot pick and choose what goes there.
Congresses ability to pass laws restricting religion is extremely limited.
SeanACampbell 5 months ago
@SeanACampbell
No, I disagree. If building a religious structure at or near the site of a religious fueled terrorist attack is likely to disrupt peace, the government can step in and deny the building.
Our government needs to stop worrying about offending Muslims and just do what is right.
StanShazzam 3 months ago
@StanShazzam We are not talking about offending Muslims, I offend Muslims regularly - the fact is they are easily offended. And I am an atheist, I don't believe there is a god or that people should believe in god.
But ultimately it comes down to this. The government doesn't get to decide where people build their religious structures. They can restrict the type of building, they can restrict the design, but they cannot say you cannot put a religious structure here.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@SeanACampbell
There is nothing in the constitution stating that people have the freedoms to build religious structures where ever they want.
There is a thing called zoning laws. The Gov restricts building certain buildings all the time and religious structures are not above the law. A super mosque would interfere with residents and current businesses in the area...so could easily be zoned for non-religious use only.
StanShazzam 3 months ago
@StanShazzam There are several points that need to be addressed here. Firstly, it would be unconstitutional to declare an area for non-religious buildings only. Reason? Because it would be impeding the ability of a person or group of people from practising their religious faith. The government does not have that power granted to them under the constitution - it is specifically excluded.
Zoning laws could stop certain DESIGNS of building but it could not stop religious ACTIVITIES in a building.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@StanShazzam To block the construction of any place of worship on the sole basis it is a place of worship of a particular religious group is not allowed under the constitution. The government cannot interfere with the right to be free to worship and believe what they want to believe on the sole basis that the belief system is unpopular. The government is bound to the powers given to it under the constitution. The constitution does not give the government this power, it specifically denies it.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@SeanACampbell
Freedom ends when your actions are unsafe or infringe on the rights and liberties of others.
This is the game the Muslims are playing: They say Islam is like any other religion, and demand the same rights. They say the 9/11 attack had nothing to do with Islam. Both statements are lies.
Once you understand Islam, you see that it is a duty for Muslims to destroy the west. It is their duty to lie and befriend us so Sharia can take over.
StanShazzam 3 months ago
@StanShazzam Secondly, on your point about freedom ending when your actions are unsafe or infringe on others rights. Yes that is correct, but being a member of a religious organisation does not mean that you are now infringing on another persons rights. Practicing religious faith in and of itself does not constitute an infringement.
I agree that religion is dangerous, and frankly I would not be sorry to see it disappear. Nevertheless this is not a debate about what is right, but what is the law
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@StanShazzam And it would be completely false to say that the 911 attack had nothing to do with islam. That would be a lie, but it would be equally false that all who practise islam are terrorists. Whether or not we agree with their faith is irrelevant, ultimately not all muslims are terrorists.
And most ancient belief systems have parts in them which essentially allow people to commit terrorist acts. I would argue that portions of the bible are actually worse than the Koran.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@StanShazzam And at the end of the day all those who participated in 911 (as far as we are aware) were muslim. But not all muslims participated in 911.
The thing with freedom is that freedom does not end when its unpopular. No matter how unpopular your speech is you retain the right to speak. No matter how stupid your religion is you retain the right to practise it. Rights and freedoms are there to protect the unpopular belief, popular beliefs do not require legal protection to continue.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@SeanACampbell
They are still fighting a religious holy war. Their tactics have changed over the years but we have seen it all over the world. It starts with Moderate Muslims. They grow their numbers essentially taking over a city (dearborn for ex). As they grow in #, fundamentalists hide with them and grow their violent ideals and demand rights and privileges. Then when they get enough people, the fundamentals take over power and demand sharia. It's happened in UK, France, Germany...we r next
StanShazzam 3 months ago
@StanShazzam Yes I agree that there are a number of muslims engaged in a holy war. There are a lot of fundamentalists. But what is in question here is simply: Can the government prevent people from building religious structures in an area. The answer is simply no.
The government can restrict the size or design of a building, but they cannot restrict a building being used for religious purposes. That is the purpose of my argument.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@SeanACampbell I am an atheist too, but I have studied Islam, Catholicism, Christianity, Buddism, and Hindu. I am telling you, Islam is dangerous. The proverbial wolf in sheeps clothing.
This Mosque represents a victory, and infilration into America.
Check out vids about Dearborn, Mi. it's a friggin mess.
Thats a small scale trial for the rest of the USA.
While they are free to practice their religion, they are not free to subvert our laws and build where ever they want.
StanShazzam 3 months ago
@StanShazzam I agree Islam (and most other religions for that matter, in their very design) are dangerous. I don't doubt that for the second.
I am not defending religion.
I am not defending terrorism.
I am not even commenting on whether the law is right.
I am simply saying that under the current constitution, if a law was passed which said that a religious building could not be built SOLELY because it was a religious building - then that law would be unconstitutional whether we like it or not.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@StanShazzam
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
1. The law would prevent the free exercise of their religion
2. The law would violate their right to freedom of speech (See NAACP_v._Alabama)
3. It would violate their right to peaceably assemble.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@SeanACampbell
NAACP_v._Alabama has nothing to do with this situation.
Denying a permit to build a super mosque near a site of Islamic terrorism is not taking away their free excercise to practice their religion UNLESS you acknowledge that terrorizing and building religious structures over places they conquer is part of practicing their religion.
They are already peacefully assembling in the area, thats not infringed. They are still free to speak AND they are free to build elsewhere.
StanShazzam 3 months ago
@StanShazzam It does, as the court established that freedom of association is a specific right as part of speech protection.
It was not a super mosque, it was a community centre containing a prayer centre. And it was not at ground zero, it was a few blocks away.
The fact one group of people who consider themselves muslims commited a serious offense does not mean all who consider themselves muslims intend to commit similar offenses. The establishment of places of worship is part of religion.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@StanShazzam The fact that one particular religious faith is unpopular does not mean it loses constitutional protection. After all, constitutionally protected rights are not needed to protect popular beliefs and activities - they are needed to protect unpopular beliefs and activities and to limit government control over their personal lives.
If the community centre had a "bomb building class" that would be one thing. A place of worship is not the same thing.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@StanShazzam And it is infringing because it is essentially giving the government the power to regulate where you can and cannot practise religious faith. Once you allow the government to cross that line, you leave all your rights open to regulation based on suspicion and unpopularity.
He who gives up a little liberty to gain a little security deserves neither and loses both.
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@SeanACampbell
SeanACampbell 3 months ago
@StanShazzam After all, the constitution says "Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
Free exercise is the key point there. Not free exercise unless the religion is unpopular. Not free exercise unless someone in a related group was a terrorist. Not free exercise so long as the government is happy about it.
The statement is clear. Unless their religion directly encroaches on another persons rights (directly, not just makes people a bit uncomfortable).
SeanACampbell 3 months ago 7
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@StanShazzam Also, lets have a look at 9:29 of the Quran.
"9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Pretty mild compared to a lot of biblical verses I've seen.
SeanACampbell 6 months ago
1when this imbecile told the guy to 'go away', did he actually have an example of a christian bombing an abortion clinic
2 is all it takes for something negative to be pinned on religion is some one claiming to be from that religion? if i where to say 'im atheist' then go rape a bitch or kill someone or anything else thats evil/bad (two different things) that means i could call for the end of atheism?
TENNSUMITSUMA 11 months ago
anyone who says they should not be allowed to put a musque there is really arrogant. Because what they are actually doing is compearing those terrorist, and putting them in the same group as normal religous muslims. Thats like me saying ""No, you cant have any more boys in catholic churches because a few priests raped some boys"""
gulbirk 1 year ago
if more religions get big in america, then atheism will gain a lot from it. when people are exposed to many religions, they tend to realize how stupid the whole concept of religion is, and that christianity isn't the first religion. they'll realize the pattern and atheism will get bigger.
JohnF30Music 1 year ago
@MrWizardWithin also your only argument that you yourself didnt refute was you repeatedly saying im a drunk idiot. where in there do you see a smart person. finally i say go sit in the corner
cake1834 1 year ago
@MrWizardWithin ok i now understand that you are perfectly fine with sayign that israel did it without giving any reason why they would or how they would. and also to basicly say i can use media youcant and when i give credible sources and oyu dont you call me an idiot and run away. good job
cake1834 1 year ago
@MrWizardWithin chose not to argue publicly bullshit i was trying to post links but youtuibe wouldnt let me so i pmed you thme. god your ability to comprhend ANYTHING is laughable
cake1834 1 year ago
@MrTarantulalover yes i agree he is an idiot the thing is being built 5 blocks away it isnt ground zero he is an idiot though
cake1834 1 year ago
@MrWizardWithin those werent accounts of history they were information on al queda osama binladen if thats history too bad it is valid and your link was history to it wasnt happening the second i whatched it thus it happened in the past = history. your an idiot.
cake1834 1 year ago
@MrWizardWithin ok so a popular website is mainstream media? ex wikipedia YOUTUBE etc you haven't given any EVIDENCE you have just said that the media lies the media lies over and over and over. have you ever seen a jihad video if you haven't google it because obviously you don't have a tv. and you haven't said what they get as a benefit and then why haven't we gone to THEM if they did it. and if some stupid paranoid person on the internet knows why doesn't the government know
cake1834 1 year ago
@MrWizardWithin ok well it wont let me post the links so i pmed you them. also what does israel gain? also remember israel is an ALLIE of the U.S.
cake1834 1 year ago
@MrWizardWithin ok well the begining of the video that picture at the begining is complete bullshit. anti semitism is not communism communism is the idea that you give your money to the government and they spend it on roads hospitals food clothes etc. this dosnt work in our world because peopel get greedy and take bits out for themselves. and adressinmg your coment what about the jihad
look here im goign to post links in another coment
cake1834 1 year ago
@MrWizardWithin for some reason i cant post right now
cake1834 1 year ago
@MrWizardWithin ok well what is your proof of israel doing it or are you just paranoid? the world trying to get you?
cake1834 1 year ago
do you think he just finally had enough with dealing with morons he finally just hung up. btw that was my favorite line in all of the shows
cake1834 1 year ago
basicly saying that because muslim extremists attacked us means they can't build buildings? if we go to war with say germany and they bomb a spot does that mean germans cant build buildings 5 blocks away. and someoen in my town is an idiot :(
cake1834 1 year ago
@MrWizardWithin also they did take responsibility for it you just didnt leave your basement to see it
cake1834 1 year ago
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@MrWizardWithin the mosque was going to be built i think it was 5 blocks away or 3 blocks away. you cant even see it the media blew it WAY out of proportion.
cake1834 1 year ago
"Then Go Away"....I cracked up so hard
captaindisguise 1 year ago
The people of the united states govern the united states If the people of new york don't want a mosque there they have a right to say NO.
BEN1969350 1 year ago
@BEN1969350 gonna try and do the whole thing for u:
me: if the majority of new yorkers wanted slaves could they have them?
u: no
me: because the rights of minorities overcome the wants of majorities right?
u: yes
me: so the fact most new yorkers dont want it doesnt mean the minority cant have it right?
u: buduhhhh
me: because the minority have a right to build, regardless of what the majority want
u: wow ur right, if only my education had been as logical or easy to understand as u
me: ur welcome
ajsatchwell 1 year ago
@BEN1969350 the mosque was going to be built i think it was 5 blocks away or 3 blocks away. you cant even see it the media blew it WAY out of proportion.
cake1834 1 year ago
Phone Pwn'd :P
kakureru 1 year ago
5:26 go away lmao
AllYourBase420 1 year ago
and you know- you KNOW- they will take that message and run with it. Perhaps even using it as a recruitment tool. Last time I looked it was the fringe islamic groups that were killing people, not the moderates. So even though I believe in religious freedom, it would be in our best interest not to do so. Also, why the hell do they INSIST on building it in that spot. Why not elsewhere? Allowing it to be built elsewhere would show our tolerance toward muslims as well wouldn't it?
Cerulean0987 1 year ago
@Cerulean0987 the mosque was going to be built i think it was 5 blocks away or 3 blocks away. you cant even see it the media blew it WAY out of proportion.
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jabri11 1 year ago
"doesn't mean there is something magically different about that spot because thousands of people died there"
did you seriously just say that with a straight face?
Then to hang up on someone you disagree with mid-sentence. You dare call yourself freethinker?
What a disgrace.
qwertyness4 1 year ago
5:30 TOTAL ownage.
Koenma007 1 year ago
The Mosques called Cordoba is Islam's monument to it's 911 sneak attacks.
Make no mistake, they aim to conquer us.
Conan568 1 year ago
@anthony4canada Interesting. How exactly do you come to that conclusion. Do you happen to know these terrorists or have some kind of secret knowledge of their ultimate plot? You are expressing your view, not theirs. It's your opinion, not theirs. It's through your world view, not theirs. And it's one of the mistakes so common with the left. You think your opinion is from Gods mouth to your ear. Try something new. Explore the reasons you might not be comfortable with. You might learn something.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago 10
Some people are so worried about the funding of this particular center but not concerned about the funding of some of the political ads or campaigns. This whole "mosque" thing is nothing more than a political tool.
esd2000 1 year ago 7
Here's a thought. Let's do away with protecting religion, any religion, under the constitution. Not ban it just say religion has no innate right that is different than any other ideology. What would change? I mean other than religious leaders getting special status because they're religious. Each religion could then be judged on it's own merit. And then we'd be singing a different tune about Islam, wouldn't we. It's all perspective.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo Yes, perspective. Let's compare Crusades / Inquisition Christianity with the Golden Age of Islam. The worst of Christianity's history versus the best of Islam's history.
It's retarded, as is the arguement that Islam is inherently worse than Christianity. Both have the same inherent evils and atrocities, the only difference is the role of government amongst the religions of today. The US Constitution doesn't protect a religion, but does elevate it above atheism (which is wrong).
IaoGawd 1 year ago
@IaoGawd You don't seem to be well informed about the different religions. There are differences. For one, Buddhism has some great philosophies concerning the state of the mind and conciousness without invoking a god. And they don't strap bombs onto their young people to go out and murder people they disagree with, specificly because of their religion. At this point in history, Islam is worse than Christianity and much worse than most others.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo
Excuses for butting in I always get a bit irritated whenever Buddhism gets revered in the religion/violence discussion. Buddhists have & do kill one another over political-theological differences.
The theology of reincarnation has often been used as a neutralizer of the intuitive-morality (innate respect for life) of soldiers who are reluctant to massacre. Death means nothing as the dead will live again. Maybe the next time they'll have it better. Killing is giving a 2d chance.
8blkcat 1 year ago
@8blkcat There's a variety of buddhist "denominations" of which very few if any would endorse a suicide, or murder for the reason of reincarnation. If you know of some examples please post your source. I could post about 20,000 incidents of Muslim examples within just the last ten years. My point in using Buddhism is to contrast religions against each other to show that they are not all the same, and do not all use violence like Islam does. There are always exceptions, but they are exceptions.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. The misrepresentation of this argument is stupid. The mosque is 2 blocks away not 5. And no , no one says it should be stopped for legal reasons! They want it stopped for their own personal concept of morality. This is a supremacist mosque weather you admit it or not, and to hang up on the guy for not buying your bs, well, your just proving how weak your argument really is. Just keep licking the boots of Islam you goofs, Pat Condell hit the nail on the head about this one.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo It doesn't matter how hateful a Church is because America is a secular nation, a Republic of Constitutional laws. No Christian Churchs have ever been shutdown in American history for their racism, sexism, or overt threats against other Americans.
Only if we abandon separation of Church and State do the Islamic radicals have any chance of 'destroying' America. But, I promise you, if Amerika becomes a theocracy, it will be under the Cross... ruled by our own Christian extremists.
IaoGawd 1 year ago
@IaoGawd I agree. But I also am not blind. Islam has no innate good that just needs to be coxed out with hugs and kisses. I have no problem with the law as it stands and if the mosque is built, so be it. But I have an opinion, and it is my opinion about Islam that I am expressing, which is protected as free speech the last time I looked. Opinion. I'm expressing my opinion. What about you? Do you have an opinion on Islam? Or are you just a Christian only atheist?
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo No one is saying you can't have an opinion, but just know that just because uts YOUR opinion has no bearing on how true or factual it is.
HALEterSkelter 1 year ago
@HALEterSkelter Thanks for your passionate stand for free speech.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo What part of my stance for secular, Constitutional laws did you not get? How would that view somehow favor one religion over another?
I don't like organized religion AT ALL. It's said that 90% of the world's population believes in God, yet no one can agree on what God's name is, what He looks like, and what He wants. Since they can't agree, they KILL each other over their "difference in opnion."
I can just as easily paint Christianity with their own 'intolerance' brush.
IaoGawd 1 year ago
@IaoGawd What part of "I agree" don't YOU get? Could you at least read the response. I agree. But I also have an opinion about the rise of Islam. The two are separate issues. I stand by the constitution and I have an opinion about the Islamic Mosque. Here's one for you. Free speech. Are you going to be as passionate about that as you are about freedom of religion? Because so far you seem to think freedom of religion trumps freedom of speech. Let's hear it for my right to speak about the mosque.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo Congrats on using your freedom of speech... I didn't question your right to voice your opnion, only the opnion itself. Somehow, I'm feeling a deja vu moment similar to when Dr. Laura quit her show after her "n-word rant" and Sarah Palin twittered "Dr.Laura:don't retreat ... reload! (Steps aside bc her 1st Amend.rights ceased 2exist thx 2activists trying 2silence"isn't American,not fair") ."
You opnion is protected, but not from ridicule. You want tolerance for your intolerance?
IaoGawd 1 year ago
@IaoGawd Now you're getting it. Muslims have the right to the freedom of religion and I have the right to ridicule it, just like my right to free speech and your right to ridicule it. Finally you're getting around to the issue. And I'm going to ridicule Islam till the cows come home. The UN has a motion on the table to make criticism of Islam illegal. Did you know that? So now it comes down to religion vs free speech. Will you tolerate Islamic intolerance?
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo I'm not getting anything new... you're simply understanding my position correctly.
Yes, I am very familiar with the UN motion to ban "Defamation of Religion." As with most people who believe in human rights and individual freedom, I am appaled at the sheer lunacy of such a proposition. As is quite common these days, the destruction of our rights comes under the banner of 'for your safety.' The 'Patriot Act' basically made it a crime to question the government... to be a patriot.
IaoGawd 1 year ago
@IaoGawd Well said. I'm with you on that.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo I have no desire to lay down my freedoms for Islam, Christianity, or any other dogmatic worship.
You're laying out all the concerns we should have about the spread of Islam and its tenets... yet seem to be convienently unaware of the real threat -- religious extremism. A fear of Islamic extremists abroad will be like a veil covering the fall of our Constitutional Republic to the extremist followers of the Cross, from the inside.
IaoGawd 1 year ago
@IaoGawd I'm concentrating on Islam here because that's the context of the whole mosque thing, however I have a great deal of criticism for Christianity as well. Religions and extreme ideologies should not be exempt from scrutiny and criticism. Maybe we started out saying much the same thing only from different angles or perspectives.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo
The truth comes out right out of your mouth “I am concentrating on Islam”. Why? You are nothing more than tool working for the man who pays you in shekels. You neither speak for the masses nor look out for the majority. Your allegiance is to the hypocrite whining state of Israel who is bankrupting America one nickel and dime at day while Americans get side tracked by rogue agents such as yourself playing both sides. F U you pimpled face devil worshiper, Islam is here.
bashie34 1 year ago
@bashie34 As well as being intellectually bankrupt you resort to childish name calling. How droll. Islam was the subject and I gave my opinion. You must feel very intimidated by me to put such passion into such an unsolicited reply. Here's a slice of my personal philosophy. Keep it up, keep exposing yourself and sooner or later the west will wake up from it's PC slumber. If you think Islam can mandate the American experience you are delusional. My condolences to your Doctor.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo
I got nothing to hide buddy unlike you double agent working for shekels. Muslims want the same freedoms and rights as everyone else , So don't twist others words .Your wouldn't happen to be that moron Terry Jones would you lol? You question my passion , why? I guess you must be amongst the millions out of job , for without passion you are left for dead. So get a heart , because obviously you where dropped on your head as child .
bashie34 1 year ago
@bashie34 What is it your delusional brain thinks I'm hiding? And whose words am I twisting? You're not being rational! I'm not Terry Jones, I'm just a guy. And I'm working, probably make more in a day than you do in a week. I see from your profile that you are a Jew hater. Very noble cause, for a Muslim or a Nazi that is. No one else would buy your bullshit. Tell me, wise one, why I should hate the Jew down the street that I grew up with and what they did to warrant that hate. Tell me why.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo who's words am I twisting".? Mine you moron. You just accused of me being a Nazi and Jew hater . Which is find with me because Jew hater = truth Nazi=truth anti-Semite = truth. You than claim you are not a rogue agent but than you show your true colors with your Jewish arrogance stating you make more money in day than I do in week. In which I respond " The Jewish god is money , and your prophet is Rothschild . Are you going to be buried with it you moron? I have MBA in IT Bitch.
bashie34 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo
I'll tell you why ? you make it sound like I am trying to recruit you. Lets just say if you where an athlete and I was the Owner slash CEO , I would trade you for a bag chips and large coke . If offers did not still come in , I would trade you to the maple leafs , so you can jerk off phaneuf and kassel . I did something that I never do , I checked your profile out, and you are a fellow Canadian. If anything lets agree to disagree and go about our own ways. This is not Israel.
bashie34 1 year ago
@bashie34 You sound like a bit of a jerk and have a bad attitude. You are funny though, I'll give you that much, quite the imagination.
Afterthought:
You are right. This is not Israel. But it is not Nazi Germany either. I agree to disagree. Go in peace.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo That's how we start out on different perspectives: you focus on details (Islam, Christianity), whereas I focus on concept (religion).
To rail against only one faith, for the same shortcomings that befall all religions, tends to come across as 'special pleading' and 'hypcroisy.' People get sucked into debates of "my God" versus "your God" where the right answer is never truth, but mere perception and opnion of truth. Dogmatic institutions are the problem, regardless of name.
IaoGawd 1 year ago
@IaoGawd Yes I see your point, and I agree. I'm trying to be careful not to pigeon hole myself into a particular line of reasoning that may become my own dogma. I try to follow the evidence and try to remain skeptical. But we are only human and filled with conscious and unconcious bias'.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
@mydogbanjo Well said. The world would be a much better place if people would follow that kind of crtiical thinking...
IaoGawd 1 year ago
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Muslims did not bring down the twin towers. Ask George Bush.
Downfacingdog 1 year ago
If american people denies freedom of religion..FREEDOM in america as we know it would no longer be valid. This is the beginning of a religious war and this is the beginning of the end of freedom of America. Cheers
tkathryyn 1 year ago
@tkathryyn Destroyed by religious extremists on the inside... because of fear of religious extremists from the outside.
Fear of Islam will gives us the tyranny of Christ.
IaoGawd 1 year ago
go matt, always with the good opinions.
thesparitan 1 year ago
"then go away!" awesome pwnage!
Giftzwerg76 1 year ago
"I think all religious buildings are in bad taste for pretty much the same reasons but they're not illegal and its really not an issue" spot on
silencioyelefante 1 year ago
There was a mosque on the 17th floor of the south tower! There was a mosque ON G0 BEFORE IT BECAME G0!
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
@UnderlordZ yeah that is so that they didn't have to build one ON GZ. The koran orders to build Mosques directly on the spot where they attacked it, if not it will be punished with death, that is a fact. So they build a Mosque in the WTC so they didn't had to build it on top of GZ because they knew that would mean nuclear war. They have planned this all out, in 5 years they will be marching in on Camels and if you don't kneel down your head will be cut off. Its all in the Koran.
philateliceun 1 year ago
@philateliceun You're a liar, and a fucking stupid cowardly racist one at that. You pussy.
nilbud 1 year ago
@nilbud NO IT IS TRUE!!!!! MUSLIMS ARE SEND FROM LUCIFERS PLANET LUCIFERNO AND HAVE 1 GOAL, KILLING TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS. THEY WANT THE MOSQUE SO THEY CAN PLAN TERRORIST ATTACKS FROM THERE, THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD A TUNNEL AND BLOW UP GZ, AGAIN!!!!!! ALL MUSLIMS WANT TO DO IS KILL HARD WORKING AMERICANS AND I THINK IT IS WRONG!!!! VOTE PALIN/BECK 2012!!!!!! AMERICA'S ONLY HOPE AGAINST THE SATANIC MUSLIMS!!!!!!!
philateliceun 1 year ago
@philateliceun Do you use drugs? Or what is the reason for your stupid, ignorant comments?
AC1988E 1 year ago
@nilbud He is joking dude. Learn to relax
thesparitan 1 year ago
@philateliceun And how did they know, dozens of years in advance, before anyone even knew who the hell binLaden was, that the WTC would be destroyed?
UnderlordZ 1 year ago
@UnderlordZ well hello? They are sent from lucifer, he knows a little bit more then you and me. SAVE HARD WORKING AMERICAN, BABY LOVING, PATRIOTIC FREE MARKET FROM THE TYRANNY OF ISLAM!!!!!! EUROPE AND SAUDI ARABIA ARE NOW ALMOST THE SAME111 YOU HAVE BEEN FED PROPAGANDA1!!! THE MUSLIMS ARE MARCHING THROUGH THE OCEAN JUST LIKE IN PIRATS OF THE CAREBEAN!!!!! YOU THINK THAT WAS FAKE? THEY HAD TO COME UP WITH IT FROM SOMETHING, AND IT ARE THE EVIL MUZZIES!!! MMMMMMUUUUUUUZZZZZZZZZIIIIIIIIEEEEEEESSS
philateliceun 1 year ago
@philateliceun LOL that was funny and done well on the irony.
thesparitan 1 year ago
@philateliceun
This is why societies forbid marrying first cousins... Be grateful that you live in America with a brain like yours, because you would not last a day in third world country. You have just enough brain cells for your heart to continue to beat. So I suggest you head back to school before it’s too late. Look at the bright side; you are not the first in your family to repeat a grade three times lmao.
bashie34 1 year ago
If he's upset about "terrorist funds" going into building a mosque, then he should be absolutely livid about US dollars going to places like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, where it's redirected straight into al-Quaida's pockets.
Ultracity6060 1 year ago
I completely agree with you guys, Jeff and Matt. I just wish people could put aside their prejudice and listen to reason. Muslims are deserving of the same rights as Christians or anyone else. (As a side note, even Thomas Jefferson said specifically that Moslems [Muslims] should have religious freedom just like everyone else.)
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itcanbecheezcaketime 1 year ago
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In memory of all those innocent civilians who were murdered senselessly in ALL GROUND ZEROs around the world, including 9/11 (approx. 3000), Iraq (millions), Afghanistan (millions), Kosovo (millions), Ruwanda (millions), Vietnam (millions), Korea (millions), Hiroshima (millions), Nazi/WWII (millions), etc...Let's hope these darkest moments of human history teach us to forego biggotry, love and forgive each other & unite against all those who have harmed humanity in one way or another.
LetsAllLuv 1 year ago
Abolish religion ! Before it kills !
steviebkhall 1 year ago 23
@steviebkhall Too late!! Already has!! Repeatedly.
stratocaster539 1 year ago
@steviebkhall hypocrit.
lnmylife 1 year ago
@steviebkhall
Before it kills? it IS killing and has throughout history
KarinMikazuki 1 year ago
@KarinMikazuki Your channel isn't allowed in my country (Ger) Ain't that a shame ! Probably some copyright or EU guidlines, WTF. Peace and take care.
steviebkhall 1 year ago
@steviebkhall
Thats because germany denies the holocaust and I happen to have alot of nazi stuff on my channel which would remind of it
KarinMikazuki 1 year ago
It`s not a 'victory mosque.' It also has rooms for Christian worship and Jewish worship. It is a church, mosque, synagoge. This idea that Muslims build a mosque everywhere they "conquer" does not apply here as it is not being planned by the group that was responsible for the 911 attacks. To suggest the the imam behind this project is no different from those terrorists just because he is also Muslim is frankly sickening. The imam is no terrorist; the center is not a meeting place for terrorists.
shrikechan 1 year ago
They beat us? How stupid is that; can't this shitkicker see that allowing this community center to be constructed would be seen as a testament to our belief in religious freedom and our adherence to the country's values?? Why can't he SEE that?
jerico641 1 year ago 17
@jerico641 Probably for the same reason he believes the majority in America (Christians) are somehow the 'persecuted' ones and not the persecutors.
IaoGawd 1 year ago
@IaoGawd
Yeah, that always makes me so depressed when I see those poor evangelicals crowded together in their multi-million dollar superchurches, or when I see their leaders whispering directly into the president's ear; "don't ask, don't tell, Mister President, don't ask, don't tell..." yeah, they're so persecuted that sometimes they even need to actually go to the polls to make US policy.
jerico641 1 year ago
@jerico641 The 'Contract with America' back in 1994 went hand-in-hand with the 'Christian Coalition' bloc inside the Republican Party. Once in power, they passed Federal laws against gays then went on a witch hunt of morality by impeaching Clinton... all led by a man of no morals, Newt Gingrich. Gringrich infamously justified cheating on his wife: "It doesn’t matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.“
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