apparently Tim hated TV performances and was routinely rude or noncommunicative to the hosts... this might be one of the last tv gigs he got... cool that he got to play some Starsailor on tv.
Already when he was 19 and performed live in London (as on other clips) he had this haunting voice. It is what I was smitten by in the late eighties when I heard him for the first time in Surrender.
I grew up in the Netherlands and do not recall him as being known there, even though I listened to all popular music from the late sixties onwards.
This never ceases to surprise me. Although I am grateful that I was not hooked on him when he was alive... It's bad enough now. ;)
@YouLikeBosch Julius Caesar didn't conquer anything until he was over 40. Then again, John Lennon said life begins at forty in an interview and was killed within a month (but for him I'd argue that wasn't the case). Depends on yourself/destiny whether life's over or not, not some litmus test of other's accomplishments.
@YouLikeBosch All you people talking about age on here don't get it at all. Most musicians start very young and then keep going if they don't kill themselves or get killed by something else. Mick Jagger is still alive because of a lot of dumb luck. Jim Morrison died in a bathtub. Tim Buckley never was in to drugs, but then OD's anyway. Age has NOTHING to do with any of that. It's all about choices and chance really.
VI PREGO, STAMPATE SU CD IL DISCO CAPOLAVORO DI TIM BUCKLEY "STARSAILOR", LO CERCO DA ANNI IN TUTTI I NEGOZI MA E' INESISTENTE. E' UN CD CHE MI MANCA TROPPO...
Tom is so much into it in this performance, the composition is so haunting, and the band plays so subtle, so perfect. LORD WHAT MORE COULD YOU EVER ASK???
There was no one quite like Tim Buckley at the time. An absolutely amazing performer. Also I believe this is Buck Gardner from the Mothers of Invention on trumpet!
Lee Underwood was such a brilliant guitar player, so underrated too. Tim Buckley's albums without him were nowhere near as good. The sound of Lee's guitar and Tim'svoice just wrap around each other so perfectly and Lee should get far more credit for those classic albums, to me they are the work of a duo rather than solo pieces
@bosszeroboss No way. I don't think Jeff had a wider range. Tim could sing in any register. Listen to his first two albums and you will see what I mean. He sings in a much higher register there than here. He could do anything.
@bosszeroboss I'm the biggest Jeff Buckley fan you might find in my continent, but I can assure you Tim had better abilities in singing than Jeff. Jeff is one of the best in the world but Tim is above him in range.
@Ogumomaru I can see what you mean, also Tim seems more of a fighter, while Jeff - more of a dreamer, both similar and different at the same time, their loss truly irreplaceable. With both of them here now, today's music would be in a totally different, and much better place. Whatever their personal situations were, Jeff should be proud of who his father was, as Tim of his son.
RISTAMPATE STARSAILOR SU CD!!! E' GROTTESCO CHE UNO DEI MASSIMI CAPOLAVORI DELLA MUSICA MONDIALE SIA DA 20 ANNI FUORI CATALOGO, PRATICAMENTE INTROVABILE SU CD.
@gloria978 Niente di niente, Starsailor e' inesistente in cd. Lo cerco disperatamente da una vita ma niente da fare...la casa discografica che detiene i diritti di questo capolavoro non ne vuol sapere niente di ristamparlo. Uno dei piu' grandi dischi del novecento e' ancora oggi completamente ignorato. Tim buckley stesso e' tuttora un artista clamorosamente sottovalutato.
@MrBlueSolitude diciamo che malignamente si potrebbe affermare che Tim è clamorosamente sottovalutato quanto Jeff sopravvalutato (direbbero in molti....). Ma io non sono maligna :-) e Jeff lo amo visceralmente, così come da un po' di tempo sto imparando ad amare la musica di Tim. E' solo una considerazione che sento fare a molti... e un po' me ne dispiace. Anzi, dico la verità, mi fa proprio male sentirne parlare così, ma tant'è....
@gloria978 In realta' Jeff Buckley e' stato anche lui straordinario, io lo amo molto. Solo che un confronto del genere, seppur venga istintivamente perche' i due sono stati padre e figlio, non ha molto senso in quanto si parla di mondi musicali completamente diversi tra loro. Jeff, secondo me, ha molto seguito per meriti inequivocabili. Tim, invece, e' ciecamente sottovalutato non solo dal pubblico, che lo ha conosciuto di rado solo attraverso Jeff, ma soprattutto da molti critici, poveretti...
@MrBlueSolitude certo, sono d'accordissimo con te eh!! appunto per questo dicevo che non sopporto quando ne parlano facendo un diretto confronto... semplicemente perchè questo non ha motivo di esistere, son due mondi diversi, ma allo stesso tempo degni di essere ricordati..
Gotta say, the comparisons to his son are inevitable but they are two different people man! Two different people with two different sounds, lives and approaches. They were and are, both divinely beautiful in their own right. Let's have some mutual appreciation for both their qualities in all their uniqueness. Peace brothers and sisters. ;-)
tim's voice got better with time but his choice of material sucked harder and harder - jeff had better taste, range and passion (maybe less drugs?) and it was shame he had a booked gig somewhere else - woulda liked to hear more
also for those that have no clue about jeff's vocal ability. Check out the Sin-é record where he imitates fateh ali khan. Language is perfect and his abilty to sound like another singer....wow stop comaring them... most of tim's music is too weird cause of the drug influence... though i love him!!!!!
people comparing the music to jeff's STOP unless you are a musician and you know the difference between not taking loads of drugs(jeff) and taking everything under the sun(tim) strange what drugs has done for music
@RobMD29 drugs and music tend to go hand in hand. Some bands are in it for the decadence and some are in it for the way it helps their artistry. Sometimes the two get blended and you end up with everything else in between.
It's interesting readin these comparisons between father and son. absurd. To use food as a metaphor, Tim was like going to Thailand and eating street food on a hot summer day while tripping on 'shrooms while Jeff's music (to the best of my memory) was more like Pad Thai from a pretty ok takeout joint down the street. Personally, I like the fish sauce, vinegar and lime and and don't mind the ocasional fish bone. To each his/her own.
It's alright to compare Tim and Jeff if one is fair about it.
I love 'em both, and I think it's a good thing that they occupy fairly different spheres of music.
I think vocally Tim was generally more skilled, but he also experimented and ad-libbed way more, at times wildly to the point where it threatened to get in the way of the performance. Obviously songwriting wise, Jeff was more focussed but Tim was still brilliant.
@crosboid I think Tim had a more developed voice than Jeff. More range, too. Jeff was a better guitarist though.
Jeff was probably more of a perfectionist than his father. I don't think he had trouble writing songs, I just think that he was so OCD about it that he couldnt release something unless he felt it was perfect.
I like them both, nothing wrong with that is there? You know, as everyone seems to feel the need to pick favourites. They are both just incredible. end of.
1:03-1:04 it sounds to me like he hit a Bb1, though i could be wrong so please correct me if i am, I think thats the lowest I ever heard him go before, altough it soundslike he had trouble hitting the note
Would be nice if someone could post this lyric here... since its so different from the original. I would if I could, but my english is not good enough.
@ekko230 Some people like fried chicken, some like chicken cacciatore. You prefer one style of Buckley-recipe chicken than the other. Nothing wrong with that.
of course you can compare them as well as you can compare anybody; the thing is they are quite different! despite of all there are things which are characteristic for both of them... they share a unique musicality, an awesome voice and wide range of musical styles
Ok, what is Tim wearing? I was alive then and know fashion was very different than today, but still. I think he is wearing a cardigan sweater BACKWARDS. Anyone?
Don't get me wrong - I don't care WHAT Tim wore or wears - I love him.
Tim, cause although they both had the ability for vocal acrobatics. Tim's natural timbre or pitch was like a barotone, Jeff's was a tenor to soprano. Also their musical influences were different.
To me Tim's voice sounds much more like an instrument than Jeff's, in fantastic harmony with the rest of the instruments, though not in every piece of music he performed. I like Jeff's music as well but his father was an even better musician imo.
I've played this video for family and friends and no one enjoys it like me.
He sings as Miles Davis plays. Listen to 2:09, the very odd phrasing of the three notes "some times I". No one else sings anything like that discordant phrase.
And then listen carefully at 6:02 and you can hear Tim hitting an overtone, he sings two notes at the same time like a Tuva throat singer.
I think everybody should stop posting comments regarding his son - completely irrelevant to the fact that Starsailor is an amazing album, for instance, or that this is an amazing performance on a public cable station. We all know that he wasn't thinking about his son when he was singing it, he was thinking about THE MUSIC - like you should be!
really this is true. Jeff Buckley and Tim Buckley were two totally different performers. People who are constantly trying to draw parallels to their music don't really get their music to begin with if you ask me.
@subsamadhi actually, you can see that Jeff picked up a lot of things from his father. The sorts of modal interchange Jeff brought to the Grace album are all things that I thought were really unique, but his father uses the same changes.
@RobMD29 Their voices were not very similar at all in terms of capability. Jeff actually had a much wider range than his father. Oh yeah, if you look at my oriiginal statement, what I said was that people who are constantly drawing parallels to the two performers don't get their music. Calling me out for a "statement" that I didn't make is purely ignorant.
@subsamadhi It's pretty obvious Tim had the wider range (he could go much lower than Jeff, and in the bootlegs he hits insanely high notes, LIVE). Also, more important, Jeff's high notes, especially live, sound a little squeezed and low notes raucous, while Tim's are very full and open, like he could hit them easier, he sings them with a more open throat. They're both great singers, hard to pick a favorite (even though as a songwriter Tim was way better), but Tim was better technically.
@subsamadhi Well only very big similarity is it seems like pretty much everyone of their songs has a haunting feeling to it, as beautiful as it may be, and even if it isn't their song. It's just something in their voice, like when Jeff sings Hallelujah, and Tim sings Dolphins, but really that is about the only similarity, well and the huge range, but the voice is not really that similar sounding either.
@heftybefty2 i would argue that he was thinking about his son, i would argue that a f his music was somewhat influenced on the pain of leaving his son. But your right, we should focus on the music : )
Ohh I love the trumpets on all his songs... I made a playlist of his songs of this genre and listen to it untill I fall asleep..! So good!! TIM.......
This is my first listen at Tim Buckley and I am unable to like his music right away. But I do see that there is talent and originality in his songs and that his music
is an acquired taste. Some of my favorite musicians dont grab me the first time around so I think its unfair to write this guy off after hearing one song.
today is the first night of the year and, even though I must work in the morning, I'll spend the night drinking and listening to Starsailor. Any better way to start a new year?
Anyone who can't hear that Tim Buckley was a phenomenally talented and great singer should give up listening to music as a utter waste of time as they clearly have not even an shred of musical sensitivity or feeling.
Well I'd just like to point out that you can measure vocals objectively. Doesn't mean you'll like them, but you can. Things like range, projection and command are objective. And objectively he is a good vocalist. And as far as his parenting goes, maybe he wasn't there for Jeff Buckley, but it pained him deeply. And he proved a good father to Taylor, his second wife's son. Who are to project your own feelings and "opinions" about something you don't know much about?
Youtube? give me a little more credit than that. I've heard every song, read some books & interviews and watched the documentaries. I was aware good wasn't objective terminology, but couldn't think of anything to replace it. Tim Buckley on starsailor comes close to about 3 octaves in range. In down by the borderline about 4minutes in he drops down 2 register in the same phrase and goes back up 2 registers that displays his command. And his voice was powerful- that shows projection.
Also don't accuse me of Projective Identification. His vocals, which I'm sure about, I went into head-first. His parenting I tiptoed around whilst still trying to adress it.
Jeff Buckley himself has said that Lorca and Starsailor "was it", that Tim "had hit something that no one can touch". So who are you to deny his vocal skills? dislike him if you wish. but that you have the audacity to try and strip him of everything speaks a lot about you.
I said you can dislike him if you wish, it means nothing to me. Stop putting words in my mouth and arguing against them. I weren't trying to convince you of anything, not even his skill. I was stating his skill- his range, command and fullness of voice. That isn't ordinary- it's inherited. You either have it or you don't. You can learn to some degree, but only to utilize what you have- A baritone could not perform well singing as tenor. Tim buckley had a good voice and could utilize it.
I can respect that. I personally think his art amounts to more than his parental skills. I don't choose to listen to music based on how good a father, a husband, a son, a grandson someone is. I dont listen to music based on how good a mother, a wife, a daughter, a grandaughter someone is. I got into Tim Buckley because I personally happen to like his music. A fan of folk music, I became a fan of all his music- even some of the rubbery funk. But he ain't for everyone and he aint the best ever.
Now you may not like his music and you may not like him, but don't claim he is a bad singer. Not when he was favoured by people who hold a more valid opinion than you, such as; Nick Drake, John Peel, Leontyne Price, Elizabeth Fraser (yup, Jeff Buckley's girlfriend), Hal Willner arranged a tribute for him, Thom Yorke, Frank Zappa came to respect him and once Dylan compared Jeff to Tim. Jeff himself, as I pointed out earlier, has admiration for him as an artist.
the drummer in this video cracks me up everytime i watch. he's so stoned.
jdidnoid 1 month ago
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TheAaronHypothesis 1 month ago
I love Tim Buckley, but hate his webcomic.
CeleryMan3 1 month ago
@CeleryMan3 his webcomic? what is that??
andrew19vato 1 month ago
@andrew19vato It involves miscarriages
CeleryMan3 1 month ago
@CeleryMan3 miscarriages? what do u mean??
andrew19vato 1 month ago
@andrew19vato ahhh u mean his wife having misscarriages right?
andrew19vato 1 month ago
much better than the album version in my opinion
andrew19vato 2 months ago
holy fuck, his voice is top notch on this.
BlackSabbathory 2 months ago
And a truly unique album.
cbmorgan365 2 months ago
One of the truly great voices.
cbmorgan365 2 months ago
My cat is my best friend. Also, this video is good.
LauraElaina 2 months ago
Put a baby in me.
LauraElaina 2 months ago
apparently Tim hated TV performances and was routinely rude or noncommunicative to the hosts... this might be one of the last tv gigs he got... cool that he got to play some Starsailor on tv.
12inchvertical 2 months ago
9 are deaf
MoonchildTheKing 2 months ago
this is grate!
joealanouf 3 months ago
Why does the album starsailor have to cost so much fucking money
DavidKinner 3 months ago
WHAT A REMARKABLE DEPTH OF FEELING AND EMOTION ENTWINED IN A VOICE OF BRILLIANT SUNLIGHT AND TRUTH
theshit88able 3 months ago
Already when he was 19 and performed live in London (as on other clips) he had this haunting voice. It is what I was smitten by in the late eighties when I heard him for the first time in Surrender.
I grew up in the Netherlands and do not recall him as being known there, even though I listened to all popular music from the late sixties onwards.
This never ceases to surprise me. Although I am grateful that I was not hooked on him when he was alive... It's bad enough now. ;)
NovaScotiaChick 4 months ago
I just can seem to fall out of love with this man he was so talented and awesome.
itisiCarlosdDwarf 4 months ago
a very very strange song...
andrew19vato 4 months ago
Wow!
albanymike 5 months ago
Can you believe he's only like 23 in this video? I'm friggin' 24. Life's over.
YouLikeBosch 5 months ago
@YouLikeBosch Julius Caesar didn't conquer anything until he was over 40. Then again, John Lennon said life begins at forty in an interview and was killed within a month (but for him I'd argue that wasn't the case). Depends on yourself/destiny whether life's over or not, not some litmus test of other's accomplishments.
Raflegan 5 months ago
@YouLikeBosch Haha your old.. Your life is over. Im almost 26 btw :P
YouLoveBeef 5 months ago
@YouLikeBosch All you people talking about age on here don't get it at all. Most musicians start very young and then keep going if they don't kill themselves or get killed by something else. Mick Jagger is still alive because of a lot of dumb luck. Jim Morrison died in a bathtub. Tim Buckley never was in to drugs, but then OD's anyway. Age has NOTHING to do with any of that. It's all about choices and chance really.
subsamadhi 5 months ago
VI PREGO, STAMPATE SU CD IL DISCO CAPOLAVORO DI TIM BUCKLEY "STARSAILOR", LO CERCO DA ANNI IN TUTTI I NEGOZI MA E' INESISTENTE. E' UN CD CHE MI MANCA TROPPO...
TheConfusionisnext 6 months ago
the band is so shite?
they're not complementing the music, they're killing it.
imagine tim with a good band, he would've been fantastic
xenonfear 6 months ago
This is the third day in a row I get this one into that playlist I listen to in through the small hours...
BilisNegra 7 months ago
Tom is so much into it in this performance, the composition is so haunting, and the band plays so subtle, so perfect. LORD WHAT MORE COULD YOU EVER ASK???
BilisNegra 7 months ago in playlist 29-06-11
One of the greatest vocalist of all time... my opinion.
TheLordHodne 7 months ago 2
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SimonHouse69 7 months ago
Starsailor is one of the 10 best record ever
SimonHouse69 7 months ago
There was no one quite like Tim Buckley at the time. An absolutely amazing performer. Also I believe this is Buck Gardner from the Mothers of Invention on trumpet!
nortledorfus 7 months ago
You can really see jeff in Tim's face here
BadIntentionsBand 7 months ago
I'm not feeling the kooky music, but I guess it's a jazz thing, to go against the grain. Seems like two different songs playing at the same time.
KingKook 8 months ago
Both magical, both very different, but both have kind of the same vibrato when singing! And there is no question about it...
londoneye79 8 months ago
Man, what a waste to put that music next to that amazing voice....
DHeatherC 8 months ago
Tim's voice was way deeper than Jeff's, must be because they had different hair to each other.
DyingSID666 8 months ago
@DyingSID666 tim could also sing a great falsetto though.
firstofakind 7 months ago
Even when I don't get Tim as in this overly jazzed song I still fell him; Jeff I don't get at all.
11xzxzxz 9 months ago
Lee Underwood was such a brilliant guitar player, so underrated too. Tim Buckley's albums without him were nowhere near as good. The sound of Lee's guitar and Tim'svoice just wrap around each other so perfectly and Lee should get far more credit for those classic albums, to me they are the work of a duo rather than solo pieces
ModalRoberts 9 months ago
Jeff had a much wider range than his father, but the dad is still pretty good.
bosszeroboss 9 months ago
@bosszeroboss No way. I don't think Jeff had a wider range. Tim could sing in any register. Listen to his first two albums and you will see what I mean. He sings in a much higher register there than here. He could do anything.
firstofakind 7 months ago
@bosszeroboss I'm the biggest Jeff Buckley fan you might find in my continent, but I can assure you Tim had better abilities in singing than Jeff. Jeff is one of the best in the world but Tim is above him in range.
Ogumomaru 2 months ago
@Ogumomaru I can see what you mean, also Tim seems more of a fighter, while Jeff - more of a dreamer, both similar and different at the same time, their loss truly irreplaceable. With both of them here now, today's music would be in a totally different, and much better place. Whatever their personal situations were, Jeff should be proud of who his father was, as Tim of his son.
VegaVelecka 1 month ago
RISTAMPATE STARSAILOR SU CD!!! E' GROTTESCO CHE UNO DEI MASSIMI CAPOLAVORI DELLA MUSICA MONDIALE SIA DA 20 ANNI FUORI CATALOGO, PRATICAMENTE INTROVABILE SU CD.
MrBlueSolitude 9 months ago 3
@MrBlueSolitude forse da qualche importaz Jappo si trova??
gloria978 9 months ago
@gloria978 Niente di niente, Starsailor e' inesistente in cd. Lo cerco disperatamente da una vita ma niente da fare...la casa discografica che detiene i diritti di questo capolavoro non ne vuol sapere niente di ristamparlo. Uno dei piu' grandi dischi del novecento e' ancora oggi completamente ignorato. Tim buckley stesso e' tuttora un artista clamorosamente sottovalutato.
MrBlueSolitude 9 months ago
@MrBlueSolitude diciamo che malignamente si potrebbe affermare che Tim è clamorosamente sottovalutato quanto Jeff sopravvalutato (direbbero in molti....). Ma io non sono maligna :-) e Jeff lo amo visceralmente, così come da un po' di tempo sto imparando ad amare la musica di Tim. E' solo una considerazione che sento fare a molti... e un po' me ne dispiace. Anzi, dico la verità, mi fa proprio male sentirne parlare così, ma tant'è....
gloria978 9 months ago
@gloria978 In realta' Jeff Buckley e' stato anche lui straordinario, io lo amo molto. Solo che un confronto del genere, seppur venga istintivamente perche' i due sono stati padre e figlio, non ha molto senso in quanto si parla di mondi musicali completamente diversi tra loro. Jeff, secondo me, ha molto seguito per meriti inequivocabili. Tim, invece, e' ciecamente sottovalutato non solo dal pubblico, che lo ha conosciuto di rado solo attraverso Jeff, ma soprattutto da molti critici, poveretti...
MrBlueSolitude 9 months ago
@MrBlueSolitude certo, sono d'accordissimo con te eh!! appunto per questo dicevo che non sopporto quando ne parlano facendo un diretto confronto... semplicemente perchè questo non ha motivo di esistere, son due mondi diversi, ma allo stesso tempo degni di essere ricordati..
gloria978 9 months ago
@MrBlueSolitude Ad ogni modo mi pare strano però che nemmeno su ebay si trovi qualcosa, magari ci sono collezionisti da qualche parte...
gloria978 9 months ago
@gloria978 Su ebay c'e' qualcosa dal Giappone, effettivamente; pero' non mi fido molto.
MrBlueSolitude 9 months ago
@MrAcdcefg Yeah, Tim's music hits me in a way Jeff's music doesn't even though I also love his music too.
BlackSabbathory 9 months ago
Tim was Tim before his son was momma's little man...
paulpellicci 9 months ago
His voice is like a fine instrument!
HeidiIvy 10 months ago
Gotta say, the comparisons to his son are inevitable but they are two different people man! Two different people with two different sounds, lives and approaches. They were and are, both divinely beautiful in their own right. Let's have some mutual appreciation for both their qualities in all their uniqueness. Peace brothers and sisters. ;-)
brandonleewebb 10 months ago 11
His singing reminds me of John Fruscinate's heroin period
1MilkmanDan1 10 months ago 2
Springsteen got nothing on this
BagpipeHustler 10 months ago 3
tim's voice got better with time but his choice of material sucked harder and harder - jeff had better taste, range and passion (maybe less drugs?) and it was shame he had a booked gig somewhere else - woulda liked to hear more
TheMiles488 11 months ago
Starsailor was one of the outstanding albums of the seventies, and it is without doubt Tim Buckley`s masterpiece.
TheByrds1965 11 months ago
@subsamadhi yeah i agree...good reply
didn't mean for my replies to sound so offended if they did
RobMD29 11 months ago
also for those that have no clue about jeff's vocal ability. Check out the Sin-é record where he imitates fateh ali khan. Language is perfect and his abilty to sound like another singer....wow stop comaring them... most of tim's music is too weird cause of the drug influence... though i love him!!!!!
RobMD29 11 months ago 3
people comparing the music to jeff's STOP unless you are a musician and you know the difference between not taking loads of drugs(jeff) and taking everything under the sun(tim) strange what drugs has done for music
RobMD29 11 months ago
@RobMD29 drugs and music tend to go hand in hand. Some bands are in it for the decadence and some are in it for the way it helps their artistry. Sometimes the two get blended and you end up with everything else in between.
subsamadhi 11 months ago
Pretty awesome, and why the fuck is Starsailor STILL OUT OF PRINT?!?!?!?!?
Ghoopty 11 months ago
Master class.
gabrieldix64 11 months ago
wow
williammelvin 1 year ago
I grew up listening to "Happy/Sad"...this is the first time I've seen him perform live. Amazing!!!!!
MrAmbientman 1 year ago
Too bad on raw talent and exquisite snging voice...astounding. ::( Cant understand why...sad.
Nirvanarain 1 year ago
if you ask me. jeff has his voice fersure. just sounds jeff sounds like jeff. tim sounds like tim.
blazeablunt4200 1 year ago 2
man, this is really sensitive,
SO DAMMMMN GOOOOD.
xmanolosx 1 year ago
It's interesting readin these comparisons between father and son. absurd. To use food as a metaphor, Tim was like going to Thailand and eating street food on a hot summer day while tripping on 'shrooms while Jeff's music (to the best of my memory) was more like Pad Thai from a pretty ok takeout joint down the street. Personally, I like the fish sauce, vinegar and lime and and don't mind the ocasional fish bone. To each his/her own.
posthumanhero 1 year ago
I like this a LOT.
It's alright to compare Tim and Jeff if one is fair about it.
I love 'em both, and I think it's a good thing that they occupy fairly different spheres of music.
I think vocally Tim was generally more skilled, but he also experimented and ad-libbed way more, at times wildly to the point where it threatened to get in the way of the performance. Obviously songwriting wise, Jeff was more focussed but Tim was still brilliant.
crosboid 1 year ago
@crosboid I think Tim had a more developed voice than Jeff. More range, too. Jeff was a better guitarist though.
Jeff was probably more of a perfectionist than his father. I don't think he had trouble writing songs, I just think that he was so OCD about it that he couldnt release something unless he felt it was perfect.
jdidnoid 1 year ago 3
@jdidnoid
i think in time jeff's vocals would of developed more like tim's.
RobMD29 11 months ago
yeah man yeah
Asjh89 1 year ago
Star Sailor is one of the greatest albums ever made
explosionsfrommybutt 1 year ago 10
@explosionsfrommybutt Indeed it is. One of the most remarkable evenings of my life was listening to Starsailor while on LSD.
That's Buzz Gardner on trumpet, isn't it?
BlackKaweah 1 year ago
@explosionsfrommybutt It's a masterpiece. Pure expression.
rztronic 4 months ago
This is like the darkest "decomposed" jazz I ever listen... and still with a taste of country.
KHAT82 1 year ago
i adore all the dissonance
Valness11 1 year ago 2
rad
ianroberts1979 1 year ago
I know Tim fans hate hearing this sort of thing, but DAMN, Jeff reaaaaallly looked like him.
blewcheer 1 year ago 3
@blewcheer especially when they are preforming.
lalaland5ism 1 year ago
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what a terrible collection of jumpers :/ tim is obviously rocking his brown one though mmmm tim
JeffreyScottBuckley 1 year ago
what a terrible collection of jumpers. Tim clearly rocks his brown one though mmmm tim
JeffreyScottBuckley 1 year ago
I like them both, nothing wrong with that is there? You know, as everyone seems to feel the need to pick favourites. They are both just incredible. end of.
DannyHaleMusic 1 year ago 9
1:03-1:04 it sounds to me like he hit a Bb1, though i could be wrong so please correct me if i am, I think thats the lowest I ever heard him go before, altough it soundslike he had trouble hitting the note
johnpaul83 1 year ago
Would be nice if someone could post this lyric here... since its so different from the original. I would if I could, but my english is not good enough.
cezarlamaro 1 year ago
UN GENIO ASSOLUTO
pungello 1 year ago
Awesome performance. The best voice in the history of the music..
R.I.P. Tim
ElgabalAton 1 year ago
che meraviglia!
polodo1lonolo 1 year ago
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His son was amazing. Tim does nothing for me. Sorry.
ekko230 1 year ago
@ekko230 Some people like fried chicken, some like chicken cacciatore. You prefer one style of Buckley-recipe chicken than the other. Nothing wrong with that.
marquettefootball 1 year ago 4
@ekko230 Tim was amazing. Son does nothing for me. Not sorry.
Ezsole 1 year ago
of course you can compare them as well as you can compare anybody; the thing is they are quite different! despite of all there are things which are characteristic for both of them... they share a unique musicality, an awesome voice and wide range of musical styles
elaleph100 1 year ago
those jumbo Guild guitars from the 70's were amazing
blakevickrey 1 year ago
bloody hell he looks like Jeff
Jake251292 1 year ago
@Jake251292 cat u got it all wrong Tim came first... so... Jeff looks like him u dig?
Ezsole 1 year ago 2
@Jake251292 jeff looks like TIM!
Ezsole 1 year ago
この人ほどアシッド・フォークの世界でも異端である人はいない。声を楽器ののようにあやつれれるばかりか、その音楽性がフォークロックと前衛を綱渡りしている稀有な存在なのだ。
usagisama100 1 year ago
Ok, what is Tim wearing? I was alive then and know fashion was very different than today, but still. I think he is wearing a cardigan sweater BACKWARDS. Anyone?
Don't get me wrong - I don't care WHAT Tim wore or wears - I love him.
broadpath 1 year ago
More or less he is just like jeff he dident give a fuck what he wore.. he just grabbed somthing :)
RIP TIM AND JEFF!!
Ratpick45 1 year ago
stupendo tim, grazie
AlessioDan 2 years ago
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Someone plz tell me that this man wasn't real!
There's no way a man can be so HOOOOT, talented and... dead (plz, help me!).
I believe in Jeff, he has an education, musical education, but what about Tim, who taught him?
PattyHeater 2 years ago
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PattyHeater 2 years ago
I'd like to find my old friend Tim's guitarist Brian Hartzler if anyone out there has any leads pls let me know, thank you.
cliffworks4321 2 years ago
Yeah it's not right to compare Jeff and
Tim, cause although they both had the ability for vocal acrobatics. Tim's natural timbre or pitch was like a barotone, Jeff's was a tenor to soprano. Also their musical influences were different.
nat00ben06 2 years ago 12
To me Tim's voice sounds much more like an instrument than Jeff's, in fantastic harmony with the rest of the instruments, though not in every piece of music he performed. I like Jeff's music as well but his father was an even better musician imo.
rayheyheyhey 2 years ago
Tim and Jeff both sing to my soul. May God hold them both close.
broadpath 1 year ago
No PRs or stylists involved here!!
I love this song.
blackmore4 2 years ago 2
he loved to try new ways of making music..cool
MIUJACK 2 years ago
I've played this video for family and friends and no one enjoys it like me.
He sings as Miles Davis plays. Listen to 2:09, the very odd phrasing of the three notes "some times I". No one else sings anything like that discordant phrase.
And then listen carefully at 6:02 and you can hear Tim hitting an overtone, he sings two notes at the same time like a Tuva throat singer.
Close your eyes and let him take you on his trip.
broadpath 2 years ago 5
it is wonderful, man! greet your family!
bamdaad 2 years ago
just put in tim- buckley sweet surrender and you will get it. It is one of the memorables of course.
tradercujoh 2 years ago
FANTASTIC TIM IS THE MUSIC|
Orson5608 2 years ago
I think everybody should stop posting comments regarding his son - completely irrelevant to the fact that Starsailor is an amazing album, for instance, or that this is an amazing performance on a public cable station. We all know that he wasn't thinking about his son when he was singing it, he was thinking about THE MUSIC - like you should be!
heftybefty2 2 years ago 29
really this is true. Jeff Buckley and Tim Buckley were two totally different performers. People who are constantly trying to draw parallels to their music don't really get their music to begin with if you ask me.
subsamadhi 2 years ago 62
@subsamadhi actually, you can see that Jeff picked up a lot of things from his father. The sorts of modal interchange Jeff brought to the Grace album are all things that I thought were really unique, but his father uses the same changes.
A0220R 1 year ago
@subsamadhi mmmmmm....
natash141 1 year ago
I can draw parallels
1) They were both EXCELLENT Guitarists
2) Jeff inherited Tim's voice, the vocal range
saying that people don't get the music is a pure ignorant statement
@subsamadhi
RobMD29 11 months ago 3
@RobMD29 Their voices were not very similar at all in terms of capability. Jeff actually had a much wider range than his father. Oh yeah, if you look at my oriiginal statement, what I said was that people who are constantly drawing parallels to the two performers don't get their music. Calling me out for a "statement" that I didn't make is purely ignorant.
subsamadhi 11 months ago
@subsamadhi It's pretty obvious Tim had the wider range (he could go much lower than Jeff, and in the bootlegs he hits insanely high notes, LIVE). Also, more important, Jeff's high notes, especially live, sound a little squeezed and low notes raucous, while Tim's are very full and open, like he could hit them easier, he sings them with a more open throat. They're both great singers, hard to pick a favorite (even though as a songwriter Tim was way better), but Tim was better technically.
MMesh89 2 months ago
@MMesh89 That's because Jeff didn't take proper singing exercises.
In his bio it says he was devoted to be a guitar man, but eventually he sang the covers at Sin-É revealing his talented voice.
Dunno if Tim took proper singing classes or exercises but Jeff just sang like he thought would be correct.
Also, Tim had a songwriter.
Ogumomaru 2 months ago
@Ogumomaru In his earlier albums Tim had his lyrics written by a friend, but he "wrote" the music himself.
I don't know if Tim had proper vocal training..
MMesh89 2 months ago
@subsamadhi Well only very big similarity is it seems like pretty much everyone of their songs has a haunting feeling to it, as beautiful as it may be, and even if it isn't their song. It's just something in their voice, like when Jeff sings Hallelujah, and Tim sings Dolphins, but really that is about the only similarity, well and the huge range, but the voice is not really that similar sounding either.
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vorobec 6 months ago
@heftybefty2 i would argue that he was thinking about his son, i would argue that a f his music was somewhat influenced on the pain of leaving his son. But your right, we should focus on the music : )
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dogback5 1 year ago
@heftybefty2 well we love Tim so naturally we love Jeff too. Why can't we embrace them both?
firstofakind 7 months ago 7
@firstofakind tim era un'altra cosa un altro tipo di talento
allivevili 2 months ago
Sweet Surrender clip anybody???
foxnaif 2 years ago 2
is there one?
wileyfoxmulder 2 years ago
interesting arrangement and very, very experimental
MzMeanE 2 years ago
Tim was so talented. It's a shame, Jeff may have never seen some of these videos. So much is available nowadays...Thanks for uploading this.
RomanticBastard 2 years ago
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for fans of Tim Buckley check out this brand new artist, myspace(dot)com/olivernashmusic, this guy needs our support for the sake of real music!!
onafriday6 2 years ago
What a voice! At 6:03 his voice sounds two distinct notes at the same time. Like the throat singers, but in English!
broadpath 2 years ago 5
This song is as sweet and slow and dreamy as heroin molasses.
broadpath 2 years ago 5
what a wonderful musician he was. fantastic
westerwood07 2 years ago 3
"I love you so much, honey..I could shit!"
smellyinda 3 years ago 8
the drummer got me groovin
nickdrakesucksnotman 2 years ago 2
Ohh I love the trumpets on all his songs... I made a playlist of his songs of this genre and listen to it untill I fall asleep..! So good!! TIM.......
QWEROTI 2 years ago 3
The trumpet player is Buzz Gardner, former Frank Zappa musician.
hanneshanomag 2 years ago 5
Hey, thanks for the information! Had no idea.. ;)
QWEROTI 2 years ago
I thought he looked familiar
=)
unclemeat2u 2 years ago
This is my first listen at Tim Buckley and I am unable to like his music right away. But I do see that there is talent and originality in his songs and that his music
is an acquired taste. Some of my favorite musicians dont grab me the first time around so I think its unfair to write this guy off after hearing one song.
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chrissoclone 2 years ago
i'd recommend his performance of 'song to the siren' on the monkees tv show... it's so beautiful, beyond words. it's more folkish
OMGitsSeppie 2 years ago
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Wow!!!! This is the best Tim Buckly impersonation I've ever seen rofl. What's the name of the comedian?
TheDebate1 3 years ago
lol it is tim buckley you willy!
papajoveth 3 years ago 6
He died two years before I graduated from high school and I'm just now discovering his unique talent. Check out his version of Fred Neil's Dolphins.
sansured 3 years ago
Starsailor 30 years after is still avantgarde.ahead of time. and his voice was unique, whatever someone here thinks of
cigabite 3 years ago 6
today is the first night of the year and, even though I must work in the morning, I'll spend the night drinking and listening to Starsailor. Any better way to start a new year?
guitarlawyer75 3 years ago 3
Hey,..there are many kinds of teapots , but it's only about....enjoying the tea ! ! What say ..?.. Nice tea huh ?
serendip369 3 years ago
One thing about horns is that its difficult to balance their volume in small settings.
Snotra 3 years ago
Anyone who can't hear that Tim Buckley was a phenomenally talented and great singer should give up listening to music as a utter waste of time as they clearly have not even an shred of musical sensitivity or feeling.
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1234whatever 3 years ago
Haha. It's their loss, but who cares anyway. Tim is inaccessible in a good way. I wouldn't want him to be a part of stinking/pathetic pop culture.
PunkCabaretDoll 3 years ago 3
Let's judge others and hide our own shit-stains behind our anonymity lest we be judged...right, whatever?
Raymantico 3 years ago
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1234whatever 3 years ago
You're as good a judge as he was a father to Jeff Buckley.
hollowbullet 3 years ago
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1234whatever 3 years ago
Well I'd just like to point out that you can measure vocals objectively. Doesn't mean you'll like them, but you can. Things like range, projection and command are objective. And objectively he is a good vocalist. And as far as his parenting goes, maybe he wasn't there for Jeff Buckley, but it pained him deeply. And he proved a good father to Taylor, his second wife's son. Who are to project your own feelings and "opinions" about something you don't know much about?
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1234whatever 3 years ago
Youtube? give me a little more credit than that. I've heard every song, read some books & interviews and watched the documentaries. I was aware good wasn't objective terminology, but couldn't think of anything to replace it. Tim Buckley on starsailor comes close to about 3 octaves in range. In down by the borderline about 4minutes in he drops down 2 register in the same phrase and goes back up 2 registers that displays his command. And his voice was powerful- that shows projection.
hollowbullet 3 years ago
Also don't accuse me of Projective Identification. His vocals, which I'm sure about, I went into head-first. His parenting I tiptoed around whilst still trying to adress it.
Jeff Buckley himself has said that Lorca and Starsailor "was it", that Tim "had hit something that no one can touch". So who are you to deny his vocal skills? dislike him if you wish. but that you have the audacity to try and strip him of everything speaks a lot about you.
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1234whatever 3 years ago
I said you can dislike him if you wish, it means nothing to me. Stop putting words in my mouth and arguing against them. I weren't trying to convince you of anything, not even his skill. I was stating his skill- his range, command and fullness of voice. That isn't ordinary- it's inherited. You either have it or you don't. You can learn to some degree, but only to utilize what you have- A baritone could not perform well singing as tenor. Tim buckley had a good voice and could utilize it.
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1234whatever 3 years ago
I can respect that. I personally think his art amounts to more than his parental skills. I don't choose to listen to music based on how good a father, a husband, a son, a grandson someone is. I dont listen to music based on how good a mother, a wife, a daughter, a grandaughter someone is. I got into Tim Buckley because I personally happen to like his music. A fan of folk music, I became a fan of all his music- even some of the rubbery funk. But he ain't for everyone and he aint the best ever.
hollowbullet 3 years ago
Now you may not like his music and you may not like him, but don't claim he is a bad singer. Not when he was favoured by people who hold a more valid opinion than you, such as; Nick Drake, John Peel, Leontyne Price, Elizabeth Fraser (yup, Jeff Buckley's girlfriend), Hal Willner arranged a tribute for him, Thom Yorke, Frank Zappa came to respect him and once Dylan compared Jeff to Tim. Jeff himself, as I pointed out earlier, has admiration for him as an artist.
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