"The Reagan administration came to adopt prodemocracy policies as a means of relieving pressure for more radical change, but inevitably sought only limited, top-down forms of democratic change that did not risk upsetting the traditional structures of power with which the United States has long been allied."
"The deep fear in the United States government of populist-based change in Latin America-with all its implications for upsetting established economic and political orders and heading off in a leftist direction- leads to an emphasis on incremental change from the top down."
Thomas Carothers: "The underlying U.S. goal is maintaining the basic societal orders of particular Latin American countries approximately as they are-ensuring that the economics are not drastically rearranged and that the power relations of the various social sectors are not turned upside down. The underlying objective is to maintain the basic order of what, historically at least, are quite undemocratic societies."
I Hate War! And They Did This To Save Lifes And To B Free From Taxes And Shit ..Nd Soldiers Just Come And Take Stuff From Them Like No Shit! WTF!? Why Couldnt They Just Leave Them Alone And Listen To Them Instead Of Starting A War?! I Wasnt There Or Any Thing But I Still Am Proud To Have Salvadorian Blood Because We Fought For Our Freedom And Our Civil Rights!
I think the communist as well as the government didn't give a shit about the people. That's usually what happens in civi wars. The campesinos being poor and illiterate. What do they know of democracy ir communism when they never lived in it. All they have always wanted is to survive in peace n have rights. And that's what they fight for.unfortunately the people that get involved being communist or imperialist all they care for is their own interest and in the end is the same people they claim t
Da pena ver como esta gente se alimenta con imagenes del pasado, con metodos obsoletos y sangrientos para hoy en dia, Tanto govierno como el fmln son una bola de asesinos, malditos, y ahora en el plano de la politica anbos grupos son unos verdaderos payasos, tanta gente que murio en vano ya sea engañados por el govierno o el fmln, solo para que esten esos pendejos lavantando la mano y ni saben para que, pero con sueldos de millonarios, y los pobres campesinos muertos ahora hechos polvo....
no aceptaban el chantaje imperialista,,pero,,si le dieron paja a la gente con el chantaje comunista,,felicidades,,como se domaron a la gente humilde y sencilla..dinamitaron puentes,tan bonitos que eran,para que,pues????para dañar la economia decian,,paja,si era a la misma gente a quien fregaban....saludos fmln,cuantos compas dejaron sangre en el monte y hoy los comandantes felices de la vida,y nosotros los humildes olvidados
Que pena me da recordar esto ojala por los miles i miles de hermanos que murieron . Aprendamos de esto borron y cuenta nueba para sacar ese lindo Pais como Es mi QUERIDO EL SALVADOR DIOS NOS Bendiga atodos
Me da tristeza ver que todavía hay personas que ven el conflicto armado como un conflicto unilateral, con la izquierda como los "buenos" y el gobierno como los "malos". Ambos causaron atrocidades, ninguna de ellas justificadas. Ambos fueron los "buenos" y ambos fueron los "malos". El FMLN representando el sistema inútil e arcaico del Marxismo. El gobierno representando el lado liberal, modernista del Capitalista. Dios bendiga a El Salvador.
Me das tristeza ver que todavía hay personas que ven el conflicto armado como un conflicto unilateral, con la izquierda como los "buenos" y el gobierno como los "malos". Ambos causaron atrocidades, ninguna de ellas justificadas. Ambos fueron los "buenos" y ambos fueron los "malos". El FMLN representando el sistema inútil e arcaico del Marxismo. El gobierno representando el lado liberal, modernista del Capitalista. Dios bendiga a El Salvador.
if this shit didnt happen we wouldnt have the mara salvatrucha fuck the world and its currupted ways my mother always told me stories about the war and how she survived and how they killed 3 of my uncles bless them all pussy ass bitch soldiars had tanks helicopters and machine guns what did they have they just hade hand cuns and m-16's
if this shit didnt happen we wouldnt have the mara salvatrucha fuck the world and its currupted ways my mother always told me stories about the war and how she survived and how they killed 3 of my uncles bless them all
I think you all miss the point. There are no winners in war. I am an American (ex-soldado) that was in El Sal; 1984-1985, 1986. I only pray that life is better for ALL Salvadorenos.
@katGarkia15 Basically, the autocratic government was being oppressive toward the campesinos. The problem is, Leftists from Nicaragua and other countries got involved by providing weapons in an effort to expand their own interests. The U.S. government countered by providing resources to the government. In the end, the Salvadorans came to realize they were only killing each other and the only way to move forward was to reconcile their differences peacefully. This is a short explanation
There was no support coming from Nicaragua. That was lie that you aparently fell for. Lets say it was true. The US had the right to organize, train, arm, finance and command death squads and carry out a murderous war essentially against the population, but Nicaragua would've been wrong to aid the resistance in trying to overthrow a Himmler-style military dictatorship?
@Horhey0420 I personally saw the evidence.... How old are you and do you live in El Sal? I suspect you're not old enough to have fought for either side.
It was reported in the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal that an internal investigation/study concluded that the administration's evidence (the "white paper") that they claimed proved Nicaragua was supporting the Salvadoran resistance was a sick joke. Their resources were being poured into fighting the CIA-death squads.
@uh1hcobra From the World Court (Nicaragua v the United States): "the evidence is insufficient to satisfy the Court that, since the early months of 1981, assistance has continued to reach the Salvadorian armed opposition from the territory of Nicaragua on any significant scale, or that the Government of Nicaragua was responsible for any flow of arms at either period."
@uh1hcobra From a Senior Carter official who challenged his own administration's justification for providing "lethal" aid to the Salvadorian armed forces and death squads: "Our impression was that the guerrillas got most of their arms on the international black market, primarily in Miami." Which is why they mostly used M-16's.
@Horhey0420 I don't doubt the information you saw but I dare say it probably wasn't the complete picture. I was one of the troops that "was not in ES" in 84 - 85 and again in 86. In our case, we discovered information showing arms being channeled through the Gulf of Fonseca. Some munitions made there way to Morazan Province.
@uh1hcobra The Washington Post: : White Paper on El Salvador is Faulty
The State Department's white paper on El Salvador, published in February, contains factual errors, misleading statements and unresolved ambiguities that raise serious questions about the administration's interpretation of participation by communist countries in the Salvadoran civil war.
@uh1hcobra Continued.. The contention of the white paper that the Salvadoran rebels were enjoying the benefits of "nearly 200 tons" of communist-supplied arms and materiel is not supported anywhere in these documents, and is implicitly refuted by many of them. In document after document there are reports of rebels short of arms, or looking for ways to buy arms, or exhorting comrades to produce home-made arms, or plotting to kidnap wealthy Salvadorans thought to have access to private arsenals.
The tile copy includes this notation from a US government official who read and evaluated it "From this," the American wrote, "it would appear they had only 626 weapons for more than 9000 men." This document was omitted from the collection released to the press with the white paper.
@uh1hcobra The International Court of Justice also concluded that there was no credible evidence proving that the Nicraguan government was supplying the Salvadoran rebels with weapons.
@uh1hcobra The US took control of the bureaucracy of death cause, "the administration could not conceive of an El Salvador in which the military was not the dominant actor, the economic elite no longer held the national economy in its hands, the left was incorporated into the political system, and all Salvadorans actually had both the formal and substantial possibility of political participation. In short, the US government had no real conception of democracy in El Salvador."
You can thank the CIA for the napalm, white phosphorous rockets, killing of children, etc... Lapdogs like D'Aubission were trying to please his masters, ie-CIA. Too bad some CIA agents got washed in Afghanistan recently, brought a tear to my eye;)
Dear FMLN comrades, we had a similar movement like yours and undergone similar experience like you. (But we were far less equiped). Then after more than 60,000 deaths within just two years (1988/89) we suffered at the hands of rightwing killer squads sponsored by UNP government.
We succeded in democratic ways steadily and become a true force in last 10 years.
Alas, our present leaders are now joining hands with reactioneries, the UNP
everyone gets power hungry in time and they forget about thoes who gave their lives in the battlefield and the cause of the war . i live in canada but i love my homeland el salvador and in my country the poor keep getting poorer and the rich richer just befor the war . wich brings to the conclution that 80.000 died in vain ,we are still where we started . but i wish you well in the struggle of your people .but think before you get involved in anything because betrayal is a common thing.
@2anthro I think you meen some fat assed American "consevative" who backed that "cowboy" Ronnie Reagan to go down to Central America and back the oppressive Governments of Nicaragua, Guatemala, and El Salvador. These are the same people who call them "illeagles", and they wouldn't survive a week in that part of the world.
And there wasn't a surrender. It was a negotiated settlement. After 15 years of fighting, the FMLN had effectively won. Who's running the country now?
If you really were there, then you had your head embedded up your arse.
buen video !!!! te felicito....gracias por dar a conocer la veradera guerra de los oprimidos y marginados de el salvador!!hasta la victoria siempre!!!
hey tienes algo de el puente cuzcatlan, por ahi al rededor de septiembre 19 oh 20 de 1982, 0oh algunas fotos oh videos por las puertas chachas asia la barca , por la carretera panamericana
esos pendejos que hablan mal del FMLN les invito a que se informen vean las noticias lean un poco que ante el mundo a quedado al descubierto la corrupcion de su avilucho corrupto que futuro lleva mi pais con esa mierda por eso VIVA EL FMLN
Compañeros Salvadoreños llego la hora de tomar conciencia y generar el cambio y mandar a todos los areneros corruptos a comerse la calavera de su puta madre que quien sabe con que dolor los cargaron en sus vientres debido a la basura putrefactas que sin saber cargaban la hora llego todos ha votar por el cambio y todos esos que hablan mal del fmln son unos hijos de la gran puta que no saben ni como se llaman y solo me queda decir que me cago de la risa de esos areneros culeros
A mi me da lástima todo aquel que simplemente se ocupa de acusar a todos los demás cómo si supiera, simplemente replica lo que escucha en los medios, cuando van a entender que la guerra ya pasó y que sí dejó una lección, se debió haber aprendido hace años, la violencia no hace nada más que destruir todo sin importar si se es"comunista" o "capitalista" .
quisa mi pregunta sea tonta pero no se mucho de la historia del salvador alguien me podria decir el por que de la guerra civil a que se devio y en que termino ,se arreglaron las cosas?
Que ha hecho el Frente en todos estos años en la asamblea??? Solo engordar y engordar... si quisieran ayudar al pueblo lo hubieran hecho, pero solo se han vendido al rico...
Hay comunismo! rojo comunista! come mierda hijo de puta! prefiero mil veces un cobierno comunista! que sea igual donde no hayan ricos comiendo al pobre! y robandoles la vida! prefiero al comunismo que vivir un clima de odio de violencia de muerte de sangre como la que se vive ahora en El Salvador! donde los malditos ricos explotan al pobre! y el pobre entre pobre matandose! tu madre arenero de mierda ojala te pise el diablo y te mate y te lleve con todo y cuerpo al infierno!!!
cuantos civiles han matod los comunistas del fmln? ninguno? cuantos solo por que eran empresarios que eso automaaticamente los hace enemigos! prohibido progresar, prohibido enriquecerse. Adonde vive Funes? y Ceren Y Gerson? en La Vega? en Colon? son unos miserables ignorantes pendejos lameculos de comunistas. Pataleen todo lo que quieran, en 1a vuelta ganan pero no la mayoria y en @da los mandamos a la Mierda y les advierto RESPETEN EL VOTO muertos de hambre, lambiscones de la guayaba!
Bueno en estos momentos no recuerdo el tema de la cancion pero el grupo es Cutumay Camones, buena musica y no deberian de hablar pendejadas si no vivieron la guerra en El Salvador babosos....ya viene el cambio 2009
Fuera de todo, que buena cancion la segunda, me gusta la parte de la guitarra, a ver si alguien tiene el nombre... Por otro lado creo que esto ya quedo atrás es algo lamentable, pero ya no se puede mirar atrás y restregarse en el lodo, hay que salir a delante, y con todo respeto creo que el FMLN es un retroceso para el desarrollo que de El Salvador, quizá hubo un tiempo en el que tuvieron razón, pero ya no son más esos tiempos, ahora vivimos una realidad diferente, donde somos un país emergente!
eL fmln NO ES CORRUPTO NI ESCUADRONERO COMO LOS areneros. la lucha del FMLN fue para salvar al pueblo de las atrocidades que el gobierno corrupto de ARENA y PCN llevaban en su momento. el FMLN fue conformado por gente humilde campesina, gente descriminada por las clases sociales oligarcas, asi que antes de hacer un comentario no se ciege por partidos politicos y mejor pase a ver la historia amigo idiota, mentalmente usted esta en el limbo y en la cercania de un cancer cerebral, VIVA EL FMLN.
Decime de q desarrollo hablás, si es por los centros comerciales, bancos y calles que ves, dejame decirte q ese no es un desarrollo almenos para vos, somos un país consumista, en el cual los q tienen el recurso se aprovechan de los q apenas tenemos para vivir, y eso es por las millonarias remesas, a que se opone el FMLN cual es el retroceso, se opuso al TLC, decime el beneficio que has recibido al dolar, decime cuantas cuentas bancarias tenes como para ver el resultado de los famosos intereses
cabal! se te sale lo rojo comunista que queres un gobierno que odia el "consumismo" queres un regimen comunista que nos diga cuanto , cuando y donde debemos gastar vivir, salir, comer. COME MIERDA HIJUEPUTA!!! A cuetazos te agarro se me queres controlar mi vida y lo que me he ganado con mi propio sudor comunista guevon de mierda!!!
Das lástima, un pobre defendiendo a ricos mientras ellos soplan sus huevos riéndose d gente como vos ignorante sin argumentos, repetís lo q t dice la tv y el diario. Se humano y no penses solo en vos, pensá en los niños q comen una tortilla x dia, q usan zapatos hasta los 15 años, pendejo egoista. Y no es q se me salga lo comunista, es q soy un comunista, quiero q mi gente viva en comunidad, donde todos comamos igual, no q vos te comas un pollo y un niño agua con arroz, arenero ignorante.
al ver este video me siento muy orgulloso, no por el fmln o por el gobierno, si no por mi pueblo que durante 12 años hombres , mujeres , niños y hasta ancianos pelearon por lo que ellos creian justo .
me siento orgulloso de ser salvadoreño por que mi pueblo pobre campesino, a veces sin comida agarro el fusil para pelear , contra los escuadrones de la muerte, contra los aviones que tantas vidas mataron con sus bombas, y por sobre todo contra la extema pobreza.
giant 69, de verdad que no sabes nada. disculpame pero me parece que no sos saladoreño entonces es dificil no opinar si no conoces las condiciones de lo que paso. vos crees que la guerrilla de verdad se mantuvo con armas hechizas y con el apoyo popular, siento mucho decirte que debistes vivir en el salvador para poder opinar. Ojala no nos lleven a esa pendejada del socialismo porque lo unico que lleva es a un paiss basura, retrasado y pobre como cuba o nicaraguA (
you forgot to thank them for completely destroying the infrastructure and setting our country back 40 years, it's called "guerra de desgaste" EL SALVADOR WILL NEVER BE COMMUNIST!!!
No!, It is called "war economics" and it had the objective to block the millions of dollars sent by U.S. to massacre the people, so in that sense the money had to be used better to rebuild that infrastructure instead of using that money to kill innocent people in El Salvador with its "war machinery" against the guerrilla, but at the same time to justify that genocide against innocent people. It is one way to "wear" the enemy.
Destruction was a consequence not an origin. An effect, not a cause.
yeah, but don't stop there, because the "aid" that the fmln terrorists recieved from communist China, USSR & Nicaragua wasn't exactly fruit baskets and it was not a pleasant one for the civilian population, listen, let's agree to disagree, you may be all well read and probably very educated (I am too) but I lived there thru the thick of it, I was born in '66 and lived there until 1990, so I saw everything, the bad that the right did, as well as the left, and we were caught in the middle!
You are wrong in the scope you make on the issue because you are focusing in the same way as the Salvadorean army and the right wing were the "gods" or "little boys singers from Vienna". The guerrilla was born, developed and multiplied thanks to the civil population, was based on it during the 12 years of the war. War is war, everything happens in a war, casualties and fatalities are caused from both sides. Just go to the conclusions of the "truth commission" by UN and you will see the reality.
no you are wrong because first of all you cannot tell me why or how I viewed things, you dont know me, you need to put down the books and try to deprogramm your brain a little from the leftist propaganda you have been brainwashed with, EE Salavdor NEVER had an insurrection as in Nicaragua, it was 18 to 20 thousand communist rebels who had some campesino support against 100 thousand US Backed military, which by the way were under a democratically elected government from 1984, on.
your true colors come out, true communist, leninist way of thinking, I cannot think for myself, I am not allowed to, you (the state) tells me how things were and are so that I view you as my saviour, you the state (the people, what a joke) can make my life better, not my individuality, that's why El Slavador will NEVER have a populist leftist government, read my lips it WONT happen, I don't like Avila, or ARENA, but doesn't mean I will vote for the communists of the fmln! punto y final!
The saddest speech I have ever read from you.Your behvaior is worst. You seem a retarded "nationalist" dying of hunger who lives in depressed slums or in carton houses, who are afraid that the so-called "comunism" will steal the garbage can where they live, and still voting for the same "capitalist" mafia who runs El Salvador for 500 years. FMLN has popular, authentic and genuine support; not afraid of anything. ARENA and its marketing, evil propaganda and terror campaign is not popular.
The another part in which you are wrong, is when you say that FMLN received economical aid from USSR (from other countries yes ). I tell you that is not right, USSR was the first country in the world that one can imagine that could have helped the Salvadorean guerrilla. AS far as I know, FMLN Guerrilla did not receive any help of any kind from the USSR and never was in its agenda. Russian experts vaticinated to Shafick no victory before 1980, so they did not care about it.
yeah and coffee doesn't come from coffee beans, and the guerrillas were the heroes they NEVER killed civilians, they NEVER destriyed, sprayed busus full of people with bullets, we spent MONTHS without electricity thanks to them, and now they say they want to help my country,??? COMAN MIERDA! (not you personally) but, Man you are in denial!
FMLN support came from Nicaragua (weapons) and from Cuba (training)and other less important resources, that is all. You are wrong dude; and I know that is hard for you to accept the reality. I tell you once again, just compare the atrocities made by both sides, dude!. Figurative speaking (in a war), "I RATHER PUT A BOMB ON A POST, THAN ON A PREGNANT WOMEN)".
Refer to the list of massacres done by salvadorean army, and try to convince me how many massacres perpetrated the guerrilla.
Yes you are right when you say, El Salvador never will be a comunist country because already was, it is and it will be, unless the "capitalist" mafia stops runinng the country because we are living worst than a comunist regime.
!Congratulations to ARENA for the destruction of our national dignity!.
You are wrong. Because the civil war started by the "capitalist" mafia who runs the country for almost 500 years, took us back more than 40 years, richness was just for the 14 families.
"The Reagan administration came to adopt prodemocracy policies as a means of relieving pressure for more radical change, but inevitably sought only limited, top-down forms of democratic change that did not risk upsetting the traditional structures of power with which the United States has long been allied."
Horhey0420 4 months ago
"The deep fear in the United States government of populist-based change in Latin America-with all its implications for upsetting established economic and political orders and heading off in a leftist direction- leads to an emphasis on incremental change from the top down."
Horhey0420 4 months ago
Thomas Carothers: "The underlying U.S. goal is maintaining the basic societal orders of particular Latin American countries approximately as they are-ensuring that the economics are not drastically rearranged and that the power relations of the various social sectors are not turned upside down. The underlying objective is to maintain the basic order of what, historically at least, are quite undemocratic societies."
Horhey0420 4 months ago
K VIVA LA REVELUCION FMLN
TheMrlovo 6 months ago
I Hate War! And They Did This To Save Lifes And To B Free From Taxes And Shit ..Nd Soldiers Just Come And Take Stuff From Them Like No Shit! WTF!? Why Couldnt They Just Leave Them Alone And Listen To Them Instead Of Starting A War?! I Wasnt There Or Any Thing But I Still Am Proud To Have Salvadorian Blood Because We Fought For Our Freedom And Our Civil Rights!
Lexilovesyewh1 7 months ago
I think the communist as well as the government didn't give a shit about the people. That's usually what happens in civi wars. The campesinos being poor and illiterate. What do they know of democracy ir communism when they never lived in it. All they have always wanted is to survive in peace n have rights. And that's what they fight for.unfortunately the people that get involved being communist or imperialist all they care for is their own interest and in the end is the same people they claim t
draco1958 9 months ago
im el savdorian my dad was alive during that well he was in it
MDzFynest 11 months ago
Da pena ver como esta gente se alimenta con imagenes del pasado, con metodos obsoletos y sangrientos para hoy en dia, Tanto govierno como el fmln son una bola de asesinos, malditos, y ahora en el plano de la politica anbos grupos son unos verdaderos payasos, tanta gente que murio en vano ya sea engañados por el govierno o el fmln, solo para que esten esos pendejos lavantando la mano y ni saben para que, pero con sueldos de millonarios, y los pobres campesinos muertos ahora hechos polvo....
ElSalvadorImpressive 11 months ago
My dad fought in this war. Served for the Salvadorean Army.
ChelseasaurusRex 1 year ago
@ChelseasaurusRex I was a U.S. soldier who served there; 1984-85 and 1986. What department was your father in?
uh1hcobra 7 months ago
no aceptaban el chantaje imperialista,,pero,,si le dieron paja a la gente con el chantaje comunista,,felicidades,,como se domaron a la gente humilde y sencilla..dinamitaron puentes,tan bonitos que eran,para que,pues????para dañar la economia decian,,paja,si era a la misma gente a quien fregaban....saludos fmln,cuantos compas dejaron sangre en el monte y hoy los comandantes felices de la vida,y nosotros los humildes olvidados
ranchero250 1 year ago
no es 13 anos de temino la guerra.?
kiing12 1 year ago
MADE ME CRY :(
IMThEGoD100 1 year ago
Que pena me da recordar esto ojala por los miles i miles de hermanos que murieron . Aprendamos de esto borron y cuenta nueba para sacar ese lindo Pais como Es mi QUERIDO EL SALVADOR DIOS NOS Bendiga atodos
abadah143 1 year ago
I was born in the year that the war ended, my parents fled their country because of the civil war
aniksolaris 1 year ago
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Me da tristeza ver que todavía hay personas que ven el conflicto armado como un conflicto unilateral, con la izquierda como los "buenos" y el gobierno como los "malos". Ambos causaron atrocidades, ninguna de ellas justificadas. Ambos fueron los "buenos" y ambos fueron los "malos". El FMLN representando el sistema inútil e arcaico del Marxismo. El gobierno representando el lado liberal, modernista del Capitalista. Dios bendiga a El Salvador.
luish91 1 year ago
Me das tristeza ver que todavía hay personas que ven el conflicto armado como un conflicto unilateral, con la izquierda como los "buenos" y el gobierno como los "malos". Ambos causaron atrocidades, ninguna de ellas justificadas. Ambos fueron los "buenos" y ambos fueron los "malos". El FMLN representando el sistema inútil e arcaico del Marxismo. El gobierno representando el lado liberal, modernista del Capitalista. Dios bendiga a El Salvador.
luish91 1 year ago
if this shit didnt happen we wouldnt have the mara salvatrucha fuck the world and its currupted ways my mother always told me stories about the war and how she survived and how they killed 3 of my uncles bless them all pussy ass bitch soldiars had tanks helicopters and machine guns what did they have they just hade hand cuns and m-16's
MrPickyourpoison 1 year ago
if this shit didnt happen we wouldnt have the mara salvatrucha fuck the world and its currupted ways my mother always told me stories about the war and how she survived and how they killed 3 of my uncles bless them all
MrPickyourpoison 1 year ago
if this shit didnt happen we wouldnt have the mara salvatrucha fuck the world and its currupted ways
MrPickyourpoison 1 year ago
@MrPickyourpoison
El unico comunista bueno, es el comunista muerto
francoisleon 1 year ago
Cual es el nombre de la tercera cancion???
neo101423 1 year ago
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What's the name of the third song?
neo101423 1 year ago
What's the name of the third song?
neo101423 1 year ago
Hasta la victoria! con el frente.! QUE VIVA EL SALVADOR !
MrApopAcity 1 year ago
my dad fought in this war 80 s _85 his auncle was the salvadorianian armys general nasty shit in that war all 4 nothing -EL SALVADOR
ezekiel207 1 year ago
The things I saw over there I hope no man ever has to see such a horrifying thing I will never forget everything Ive seen and lived
Que viva EL SALVADOR POR SIEMPRE
juanjoseberrios 1 year ago
I think you all miss the point. There are no winners in war. I am an American (ex-soldado) that was in El Sal; 1984-1985, 1986. I only pray that life is better for ALL Salvadorenos.
uh1hcobra 1 year ago
@uh1hcobra I don't understand though. Why exactly were they fighting?
katGarkia15 1 year ago
@katGarkia15 Basically, the autocratic government was being oppressive toward the campesinos. The problem is, Leftists from Nicaragua and other countries got involved by providing weapons in an effort to expand their own interests. The U.S. government countered by providing resources to the government. In the end, the Salvadorans came to realize they were only killing each other and the only way to move forward was to reconcile their differences peacefully. This is a short explanation
uh1hcobra 1 year ago
There was no support coming from Nicaragua. That was lie that you aparently fell for. Lets say it was true. The US had the right to organize, train, arm, finance and command death squads and carry out a murderous war essentially against the population, but Nicaragua would've been wrong to aid the resistance in trying to overthrow a Himmler-style military dictatorship?
Horhey0420 10 months ago
@Horhey0420 I personally saw the evidence.... How old are you and do you live in El Sal? I suspect you're not old enough to have fought for either side.
uh1hcobra 7 months ago
@uh1hcobra
It was reported in the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal that an internal investigation/study concluded that the administration's evidence (the "white paper") that they claimed proved Nicaragua was supporting the Salvadoran resistance was a sick joke. Their resources were being poured into fighting the CIA-death squads.
Horhey0420 6 months ago
@uh1hcobra From the World Court (Nicaragua v the United States): "the evidence is insufficient to satisfy the Court that, since the early months of 1981, assistance has continued to reach the Salvadorian armed opposition from the territory of Nicaragua on any significant scale, or that the Government of Nicaragua was responsible for any flow of arms at either period."
Horhey0420 6 months ago
@uh1hcobra From a Senior Carter official who challenged his own administration's justification for providing "lethal" aid to the Salvadorian armed forces and death squads: "Our impression was that the guerrillas got most of their arms on the international black market, primarily in Miami." Which is why they mostly used M-16's.
Horhey0420 6 months ago
@Horhey0420 I don't doubt the information you saw but I dare say it probably wasn't the complete picture. I was one of the troops that "was not in ES" in 84 - 85 and again in 86. In our case, we discovered information showing arms being channeled through the Gulf of Fonseca. Some munitions made there way to Morazan Province.
uh1hcobra 4 months ago
@uh1hcobra The Washington Post: : White Paper on El Salvador is Faulty
The State Department's white paper on El Salvador, published in February, contains factual errors, misleading statements and unresolved ambiguities that raise serious questions about the administration's interpretation of participation by communist countries in the Salvadoran civil war.
To be continued..
Horhey0420 4 months ago
@uh1hcobra Continued.. The contention of the white paper that the Salvadoran rebels were enjoying the benefits of "nearly 200 tons" of communist-supplied arms and materiel is not supported anywhere in these documents, and is implicitly refuted by many of them. In document after document there are reports of rebels short of arms, or looking for ways to buy arms, or exhorting comrades to produce home-made arms, or plotting to kidnap wealthy Salvadorans thought to have access to private arsenals.
Horhey0420 4 months ago
@uh1hcobra Continued..
The tile copy includes this notation from a US government official who read and evaluated it "From this," the American wrote, "it would appear they had only 626 weapons for more than 9000 men." This document was omitted from the collection released to the press with the white paper.
Horhey0420 4 months ago
@uh1hcobra The International Court of Justice also concluded that there was no credible evidence proving that the Nicraguan government was supplying the Salvadoran rebels with weapons.
Horhey0420 4 months ago
@uh1hcobra The US took control of the bureaucracy of death cause, "the administration could not conceive of an El Salvador in which the military was not the dominant actor, the economic elite no longer held the national economy in its hands, the left was incorporated into the political system, and all Salvadorans actually had both the formal and substantial possibility of political participation. In short, the US government had no real conception of democracy in El Salvador."
-Thomas Carothers
Horhey0420 4 months ago
minute 2.27 soldados muertos por FMLN
TheAtlacatl 1 year ago
What r the names of the three songs u used?
CaliLA90011 1 year ago
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DjHyperblaze 1 year ago
Viva el FMLN!
Hasta La Victoria; Siempre....
DjHyperblaze 1 year ago
My mother lived through that war
0sv87d0 1 year ago 2
como se llaman las canciones en este video?
cxl15 1 year ago
viva la resistance
Monta270 2 years ago
ignorante esetipo de ariba nisabe lo que dise josizetas me la pletas
vamdam2k 2 years ago
4:01 reminds me of the nazi army
fredolo96 2 years ago
You can thank the CIA for the napalm, white phosphorous rockets, killing of children, etc... Lapdogs like D'Aubission were trying to please his masters, ie-CIA. Too bad some CIA agents got washed in Afghanistan recently, brought a tear to my eye;)
YorySesca 2 years ago
que descansen en paz to da mi jente ninos que murieron pobresitos que no tenian culpa de nada gobierno de mierda ''
blendster21 2 years ago
Vive La Liberata!
Vive La FMLN!
Greetings from Sri Lanka!
Dear FMLN comrades, we had a similar movement like yours and undergone similar experience like you. (But we were far less equiped). Then after more than 60,000 deaths within just two years (1988/89) we suffered at the hands of rightwing killer squads sponsored by UNP government.
We succeded in democratic ways steadily and become a true force in last 10 years.
Alas, our present leaders are now joining hands with reactioneries, the UNP
youngguard009 2 years ago 12
everyone gets power hungry in time and they forget about thoes who gave their lives in the battlefield and the cause of the war . i live in canada but i love my homeland el salvador and in my country the poor keep getting poorer and the rich richer just befor the war . wich brings to the conclution that 80.000 died in vain ,we are still where we started . but i wish you well in the struggle of your people .but think before you get involved in anything because betrayal is a common thing.
N0cturno96 2 years ago
smelly? Read your history, educate yourself.
ceciruano6 2 years ago
de por si son un pais muy pequeño y todavia matandose entre ustedes mismos q estupidos
josiatlas 2 years ago
pobre idiota nisiquiera t imaginas todo el dolor q hemos pasado y tu de vergon criticando pendejo me cago en tu puta madre pendejo de mierda
610edgar 2 years ago
con el simple hecho de nacer en ese pais a de ser un sufrimiento terrible
josiatlas 2 years ago
The next time some fat assed American "liberal" starts spouting off about how effin wonderful they are, refer them to this video.
These warriors fought for a GD piece of ground to raise corn and their brown babies.
For 12 years they crawled on their bellies thru that jungle doing whatever they had to in hopes of a better way for their children's futures.
At the surrender, they came in open bed trucks to lay down their arms.
I will never forget their faces, I was there.
2anthro 2 years ago 24
what do you mean by liberals?
anthonyonline405 2 years ago
A fat assed American cause whore who thinks because they marched in a parade for some paper cause that they have been on the front lines.
No, fatass, that's not the front lines.
Salvadorians lived it and so did the American patriots in our American Revolution.
Never met an American liberal who put their fat ass on the line. They like to yap about at Starbuck's.
2anthro 2 years ago
@2anthro Deep bro
spictacular101 1 year ago
@2anthro you were there? tell me more? I like to know what province are you from?
chuckestein 1 year ago
@2anthro I think you meen some fat assed American "consevative" who backed that "cowboy" Ronnie Reagan to go down to Central America and back the oppressive Governments of Nicaragua, Guatemala, and El Salvador. These are the same people who call them "illeagles", and they wouldn't survive a week in that part of the world.
thadbrains 11 months ago
@2anthro
There's not a lot of jungle in El Salvador.
And there wasn't a surrender. It was a negotiated settlement. After 15 years of fighting, the FMLN had effectively won. Who's running the country now?
If you really were there, then you had your head embedded up your arse.
cristobalmoreno 9 months ago
@2anthro
your brain washed.. FMLN destroyed the country.. FMLN was a communist lie
v3rsatil3akadonve 4 months ago in playlist El Salvador
@v3rsatil3akadonve the FMLN party was just overwhelmingly elected into office.
Horhey0420 4 months ago
no sabes como se llama la ultima cancion de este video y quien la canta?
max211914 2 years ago
la cancion se llama ' por eso luchamos' y es de el grupo cutumay camones de el salvador
N0cturno96 2 years ago
buen video !!!! te felicito....gracias por dar a conocer la veradera guerra de los oprimidos y marginados de el salvador!!hasta la victoria siempre!!!
fmln503slv 2 years ago
alguien sabe quien canta una cansion llamada buen guerrero o aquino creo .. gracias ..
ykyx5w 2 years ago
what the name of the song in the begining of the video
XxShindouxX 2 years ago
Yolocamba Ita - El Salvador Ta Venciendo
veggabacken 2 years ago 3
hey tienes algo de el puente cuzcatlan, por ahi al rededor de septiembre 19 oh 20 de 1982, 0oh algunas fotos oh videos por las puertas chachas asia la barca , por la carretera panamericana
soyneutral1973 2 years ago
@veggabacken Actually is a song within the same disc performed by Victor y Alejandra.
santomentiroso 10 months ago
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canellosutton 2 years ago
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canellosutton 2 years ago
esos pendejos que hablan mal del FMLN les invito a que se informen vean las noticias lean un poco que ante el mundo a quedado al descubierto la corrupcion de su avilucho corrupto que futuro lleva mi pais con esa mierda por eso VIVA EL FMLN
sulfuro3030 3 years ago
Compañeros Salvadoreños llego la hora de tomar conciencia y generar el cambio y mandar a todos los areneros corruptos a comerse la calavera de su puta madre que quien sabe con que dolor los cargaron en sus vientres debido a la basura putrefactas que sin saber cargaban la hora llego todos ha votar por el cambio y todos esos que hablan mal del fmln son unos hijos de la gran puta que no saben ni como se llaman y solo me queda decir que me cago de la risa de esos areneros culeros
sulfuro3030 3 years ago
Cuántas familias no perdieron a sus seres queridos en esa guerra? . Sólo los que la vivieron en carne propia pueden dar argumento de ella.
vaneinvisiblegirl 3 years ago
A mi me da lástima todo aquel que simplemente se ocupa de acusar a todos los demás cómo si supiera, simplemente replica lo que escucha en los medios, cuando van a entender que la guerra ya pasó y que sí dejó una lección, se debió haber aprendido hace años, la violencia no hace nada más que destruir todo sin importar si se es"comunista" o "capitalista" .
vaneinvisiblegirl 3 years ago
quisa mi pregunta sea tonta pero no se mucho de la historia del salvador alguien me podria decir el por que de la guerra civil a que se devio y en que termino ,se arreglaron las cosas?
bmjxtreme 3 years ago
areneros hijos de la gran puta ya les yego la hora para el 2009,hijos de puta
mikeLAES 3 years ago
Que ha hecho el Frente en todos estos años en la asamblea??? Solo engordar y engordar... si quisieran ayudar al pueblo lo hubieran hecho, pero solo se han vendido al rico...
Piquin7 3 years ago
Hay comunismo! rojo comunista! come mierda hijo de puta! prefiero mil veces un cobierno comunista! que sea igual donde no hayan ricos comiendo al pobre! y robandoles la vida! prefiero al comunismo que vivir un clima de odio de violencia de muerte de sangre como la que se vive ahora en El Salvador! donde los malditos ricos explotan al pobre! y el pobre entre pobre matandose! tu madre arenero de mierda ojala te pise el diablo y te mate y te lleve con todo y cuerpo al infierno!!!
miguelgcone 3 years ago
cuantos civiles han matod los comunistas del fmln? ninguno? cuantos solo por que eran empresarios que eso automaaticamente los hace enemigos! prohibido progresar, prohibido enriquecerse. Adonde vive Funes? y Ceren Y Gerson? en La Vega? en Colon? son unos miserables ignorantes pendejos lameculos de comunistas. Pataleen todo lo que quieran, en 1a vuelta ganan pero no la mayoria y en @da los mandamos a la Mierda y les advierto RESPETEN EL VOTO muertos de hambre, lambiscones de la guayaba!
congaleader2000 3 years ago
Bueno en estos momentos no recuerdo el tema de la cancion pero el grupo es Cutumay Camones, buena musica y no deberian de hablar pendejadas si no vivieron la guerra en El Salvador babosos....ya viene el cambio 2009
tioalex08 3 years ago
Puta ... que guerra mas paloma la que vivimos sin pajas
dragonov47 3 years ago
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que mal gusto musical tienen estos del FMLN
donbenitocamela 3 years ago
Fuera de todo, que buena cancion la segunda, me gusta la parte de la guitarra, a ver si alguien tiene el nombre... Por otro lado creo que esto ya quedo atrás es algo lamentable, pero ya no se puede mirar atrás y restregarse en el lodo, hay que salir a delante, y con todo respeto creo que el FMLN es un retroceso para el desarrollo que de El Salvador, quizá hubo un tiempo en el que tuvieron razón, pero ya no son más esos tiempos, ahora vivimos una realidad diferente, donde somos un país emergente!
Jajnov 3 years ago 3
eL fmln NO ES CORRUPTO NI ESCUADRONERO COMO LOS areneros. la lucha del FMLN fue para salvar al pueblo de las atrocidades que el gobierno corrupto de ARENA y PCN llevaban en su momento. el FMLN fue conformado por gente humilde campesina, gente descriminada por las clases sociales oligarcas, asi que antes de hacer un comentario no se ciege por partidos politicos y mejor pase a ver la historia amigo idiota, mentalmente usted esta en el limbo y en la cercania de un cancer cerebral, VIVA EL FMLN.
LP028 3 years ago
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canellosutton 2 years ago
Decime de q desarrollo hablás, si es por los centros comerciales, bancos y calles que ves, dejame decirte q ese no es un desarrollo almenos para vos, somos un país consumista, en el cual los q tienen el recurso se aprovechan de los q apenas tenemos para vivir, y eso es por las millonarias remesas, a que se opone el FMLN cual es el retroceso, se opuso al TLC, decime el beneficio que has recibido al dolar, decime cuantas cuentas bancarias tenes como para ver el resultado de los famosos intereses
chiti83 3 years ago
cabal! se te sale lo rojo comunista que queres un gobierno que odia el "consumismo" queres un regimen comunista que nos diga cuanto , cuando y donde debemos gastar vivir, salir, comer. COME MIERDA HIJUEPUTA!!! A cuetazos te agarro se me queres controlar mi vida y lo que me he ganado con mi propio sudor comunista guevon de mierda!!!
congaleader2000 3 years ago
Das lástima, un pobre defendiendo a ricos mientras ellos soplan sus huevos riéndose d gente como vos ignorante sin argumentos, repetís lo q t dice la tv y el diario. Se humano y no penses solo en vos, pensá en los niños q comen una tortilla x dia, q usan zapatos hasta los 15 años, pendejo egoista. Y no es q se me salga lo comunista, es q soy un comunista, quiero q mi gente viva en comunidad, donde todos comamos igual, no q vos te comas un pollo y un niño agua con arroz, arenero ignorante.
chiti83 3 years ago
al ver este video me siento muy orgulloso, no por el fmln o por el gobierno, si no por mi pueblo que durante 12 años hombres , mujeres , niños y hasta ancianos pelearon por lo que ellos creian justo .
me siento orgulloso de ser salvadoreño por que mi pueblo pobre campesino, a veces sin comida agarro el fusil para pelear , contra los escuadrones de la muerte, contra los aviones que tantas vidas mataron con sus bombas, y por sobre todo contra la extema pobreza.
merlos 3 years ago
giant 69, de verdad que no sabes nada. disculpame pero me parece que no sos saladoreño entonces es dificil no opinar si no conoces las condiciones de lo que paso. vos crees que la guerrilla de verdad se mantuvo con armas hechizas y con el apoyo popular, siento mucho decirte que debistes vivir en el salvador para poder opinar. Ojala no nos lleven a esa pendejada del socialismo porque lo unico que lleva es a un paiss basura, retrasado y pobre como cuba o nicaraguA (
totomoreira 3 years ago
you forgot to thank them for completely destroying the infrastructure and setting our country back 40 years, it's called "guerra de desgaste" EL SALVADOR WILL NEVER BE COMMUNIST!!!
congaleader2000 3 years ago
No!, It is called "war economics" and it had the objective to block the millions of dollars sent by U.S. to massacre the people, so in that sense the money had to be used better to rebuild that infrastructure instead of using that money to kill innocent people in El Salvador with its "war machinery" against the guerrilla, but at the same time to justify that genocide against innocent people. It is one way to "wear" the enemy.
Destruction was a consequence not an origin. An effect, not a cause.
guianto69 3 years ago
yeah, but don't stop there, because the "aid" that the fmln terrorists recieved from communist China, USSR & Nicaragua wasn't exactly fruit baskets and it was not a pleasant one for the civilian population, listen, let's agree to disagree, you may be all well read and probably very educated (I am too) but I lived there thru the thick of it, I was born in '66 and lived there until 1990, so I saw everything, the bad that the right did, as well as the left, and we were caught in the middle!
congaleader2000 3 years ago
You are wrong in the scope you make on the issue because you are focusing in the same way as the Salvadorean army and the right wing were the "gods" or "little boys singers from Vienna". The guerrilla was born, developed and multiplied thanks to the civil population, was based on it during the 12 years of the war. War is war, everything happens in a war, casualties and fatalities are caused from both sides. Just go to the conclusions of the "truth commission" by UN and you will see the reality.
guianto69 3 years ago
no you are wrong because first of all you cannot tell me why or how I viewed things, you dont know me, you need to put down the books and try to deprogramm your brain a little from the leftist propaganda you have been brainwashed with, EE Salavdor NEVER had an insurrection as in Nicaragua, it was 18 to 20 thousand communist rebels who had some campesino support against 100 thousand US Backed military, which by the way were under a democratically elected government from 1984, on.
congaleader2000 3 years ago
your true colors come out, true communist, leninist way of thinking, I cannot think for myself, I am not allowed to, you (the state) tells me how things were and are so that I view you as my saviour, you the state (the people, what a joke) can make my life better, not my individuality, that's why El Slavador will NEVER have a populist leftist government, read my lips it WONT happen, I don't like Avila, or ARENA, but doesn't mean I will vote for the communists of the fmln! punto y final!
congaleader2000 3 years ago
The saddest speech I have ever read from you.Your behvaior is worst. You seem a retarded "nationalist" dying of hunger who lives in depressed slums or in carton houses, who are afraid that the so-called "comunism" will steal the garbage can where they live, and still voting for the same "capitalist" mafia who runs El Salvador for 500 years. FMLN has popular, authentic and genuine support; not afraid of anything. ARENA and its marketing, evil propaganda and terror campaign is not popular.
guianto69 3 years ago
The true colors are the blue, white and red colors of your ass.
guianto69 3 years ago
The another part in which you are wrong, is when you say that FMLN received economical aid from USSR (from other countries yes ). I tell you that is not right, USSR was the first country in the world that one can imagine that could have helped the Salvadorean guerrilla. AS far as I know, FMLN Guerrilla did not receive any help of any kind from the USSR and never was in its agenda. Russian experts vaticinated to Shafick no victory before 1980, so they did not care about it.
guianto69 3 years ago
yeah and coffee doesn't come from coffee beans, and the guerrillas were the heroes they NEVER killed civilians, they NEVER destriyed, sprayed busus full of people with bullets, we spent MONTHS without electricity thanks to them, and now they say they want to help my country,??? COMAN MIERDA! (not you personally) but, Man you are in denial!
congaleader2000 3 years ago
FMLN support came from Nicaragua (weapons) and from Cuba (training)and other less important resources, that is all. You are wrong dude; and I know that is hard for you to accept the reality. I tell you once again, just compare the atrocities made by both sides, dude!. Figurative speaking (in a war), "I RATHER PUT A BOMB ON A POST, THAN ON A PREGNANT WOMEN)".
Refer to the list of massacres done by salvadorean army, and try to convince me how many massacres perpetrated the guerrilla.
guianto69 3 years ago
Congelador:
Yes you are right when you say, El Salvador never will be a comunist country because already was, it is and it will be, unless the "capitalist" mafia stops runinng the country because we are living worst than a comunist regime.
!Congratulations to ARENA for the destruction of our national dignity!.
You are wrong. Because the civil war started by the "capitalist" mafia who runs the country for almost 500 years, took us back more than 40 years, richness was just for the 14 families.
guianto69 3 years ago
Very nice video. 100% respect to 'los companeros' who took up arms to defend themselves and try and make a better life for themselves.
SpanishEyes79 4 years ago 2