Earth has about 500 million years of possible evolution time left, after that the sun will be too active for life to survive on earth
500 million years is a blink in evolutionary time, we might be the last and only intelligent lifeform capable of abstract thought and space travel that this planet is ever going to produce
If we don't spread life to other planets, all LIFE will be gone in the next 500 million years (there is no clue that life exists elsewhere)
also regardless of space colonization humanity will go extinct, but with our moving to colonies and extrasolar planets we will have (hopehully) more intelligent races born of human beings. so not a total loss.
one thing i kinda like about libertarians is their insistence on the gold standard, which i think has the opportunity of creating a new goldrush but mining asteroidbelts of gold and other minerals. which could help our transition to creating colonies with permanent human life in space. i think terraforming planets like mars won't work though, because it's lack of a magnetosphere the atmospheric gasses would constantly be lost to the vacuum. but space arks and colonies yes
I am not a religious fan, but decking the Church for taxes isn't sound financially
Since the Solar system and beyond is the goal here... We need to allow the celestial bodies to be turned into real estate. Let flags and personal property and weapons get out there. NASA can get lean and fit if the charter was modified to allow commerce to flow. There is enough room out there to make a difference. Technology will have to replace Natural processes til the planets can be habitable.
i compleatly agree but not in the ide to trust NASA a goverment money maker to do the work for us i think their shoud be a cevillian manged space agentcy with the top scientists in the world shoud work with no fee and work for a more free space tommorow xD lol
A space war is already in the making. The marked for space is very small at the moment, but people want to travel to space, even for just a few minutes and some companies with technology capable of that has already sold a lot of tickets. Then we just have to wait for a marked around mining in outer space, this will create colonies thus a wide space marked which will crave even more mining, construction and manufacturing and then it all will come together by it self.
NASA only helps with technology and problem solving, without it we wouldn't even be close to walking on the moon, perhaps just a few satellites would be all we had achieved. My point is, NASA and other profitless organizations acts as a boost towards that goal through creating ground on which other companies/organizations can stand on.
I hope that in the future Earth has space colonies
all over the solar system, from Mercury to Mars to the moons of Jupiter and Saturn and maybe even Pluto. That way, if something happens on Earth and all humans die in some catastrophe, there will be humans on other worlds able to continue the species and ensure we won't die out. Humans as a species cannot exist on Earth forever, simple truth
The first nation that creates a self-sustainable, and relatively big colony in space will get dominant military advantage over all others, because a nuclear war on Earth wouldn't be as deadly for it as for others.
Imagine Russia has a big colony on the Moon. It wouldn't be a problem for the Kremlin guys at all to press the Restart Civilization button on Earth if they choose so.
I think the real answer is self sustaining, multi-generational space stations which can travel through space at relatively fast speeds and also orbit stars. Takes the bother of finding habitable planets out of the equation nicely, I think. In this reguard, the International Space Station is very encouraging. Not ideal yet (not even close), but its a huge preliminary step. That's my opinion. Sometimes (when stupid people really piss me off) I do take the nihilistic outlook though.
The Bad Astronomer has a book out called Death From The Skies. It catalogues all the things from space that can wipe us out. Cool book.
I'd love to see people land on Mars before I die. That'd be the best. Humanity on another world. Not a permanant solution but it means we're headed in the right direction. If that happens in my lifetime I can leave feeling pretty good about things.
And I think NASA is the best shot the species has at that. Lets just say this: I either want to feel assured we'll make it through alright, or be positive we all get obliterated before I die. Basically, I just want to know how our story ultimately ends. That's the most frustrating thing about mortality to me. I hate leaving before the movie is over, even if its bad! And of course, I'd prefer the happy ending (although I'll accept either scenario).
All right! You know, I talk about how important our space program is to people all the time and I always get these indifferent attitudes in response like I'm a nut or something. As if to say, "Get your head out of the clouds Dan and come back to Earth. Nobody gives a rat's ass about your wacky space jargon." They just dismiss it like it doesn't effect them. Maybe not, but I'd like to know that the story will eventually have a happy ending (or at least a chance for it) before I die.
what we need is something like another cold war with Russia or China or somebody because during the first cold war US technology had to advance quickly to keep with Russia after the cold war ended technology just slow down alot people in the 60s and 70s thought we would be living the moon and starting on mars
The original probe to mars found water and bacteria in the soil. NASA lied about it then defamed the scientist and his work. Now they found water "again" and seem to be feeding us information slowly. What else are they lying to us about?
where did you get info from? if NASA found bacteria why didn't they us there is no reason to keep that from the public bacteria is one thing intelligent aliens is another
Originally there were arguments about the soil sample experiment (labeled release) on the probe and it's ability to test for life. The experiment did 2 tests, first it took a sample and raised the temperature allowing for an ideal environment for reproduction of life. Gasses were measured over time and charted. Second the sample was sterilized and monitored to see if the results continued which would mean a chemical reaction source, not a biological one.
The experiment showed that the gasses were created biologically. News was released and NASA jumped all over it and smeared Gilbert Levin's name. Levin has been fighting since 1976 that the co2 levels produced in the experiment were in fact biological.
A meteorite was found recently in the arctic from mars containing bacteria but there is none in the soil on mars? NASA said there is no water on mars until it was absolutely undeniable.
interesting didn't know they did that but do have say this about the meteorite they didn't find bacteria in it but they did find what looked like fossilized bacteria it's hard to say seeing how that (i could be wrong) fossilized bacteria have not been found on earth
After a lecture to the public about the evolution of the solar system, an audience member comes up to the physicist who gave the lecture and asks "How long did you say it will be before the Sun scorches the Earth?" The physicist replies "Five billion years." At which point the man breathes a loud sigh of relief and exclaims "Thank God! I thought you said 'five MILLION years'!"
The moral of the joke is that there's no real reason to worry about the fate of the human race. We have only been around for about 100,000 years and only diverged from our closest living relatives six million years ago. By the time this becomes an issue, the 'human race' will be long gone.
I agree that NASA and the rest need to get a move on for the reason you mentioned, but I also like the technology they create.
That said, on the issue of the magnetic pole reversal, while there have been many in the past none of them correspond to periods of extinction. As such, any increase in radiation (which may not occur) seems unlikely to wipe us out.
"I stated at the beginning that I am on the fence about how important that is... did you even watch the video?"
Yes, I watched the video; I also read well---- you wrote "We MUST colonize space" and you wrote "Without them we will just become another dead-end." What is bad about humanity going extinct?
There's some rumbling, as of late, about how we're morally bound to not try and colonize Mars. The basic argument is that we'll likely destroy any Martian life...bacteria, if we push to replant humanity there. For my part, I say we squash the bugs! Us or them. Heh.
In all seriousness...although, that was...we really are DONE if we don't gain our space legs and quick.
i mean, i agree with you, but... manned missions are not very likely to expand our knowledge in a useful way at all.
telescopes make more sense. exploration using probes and robots makes more sense. if we take all that money and use it for manned missions, it might all be wasted.
we should keep that goal in mind, because its an important goal, but at the moment we dont even know where to send such a spacecraft. the first step would be to find a planet that is interesting enough, so improving our telescopes seems to make much more sense than to send humans to mars. and maybe we will not be able to explore the universe as human beings at all, but will be forced to use artificial minds that can withstand conditions that kill humans and that are relatively immortal.
i think its just a little bit too early to seriously attempt it.
in 30-40 years, we will probarbly master nuclear fusion and have more or less unlimited access to energy. in 5-15 years, we might be able to set up the first artificial minds. bringing a man to mars (at the moment) seems to be an unnecessary waste of energy and resources.
scientists have no clue how they could get a human being to a different star. humans dont live long enough to survive it. so why attempt the impossible?
Even if we colonize this solar system, it is highly unlikely that we as a species could create technologies that would allow our sun to keep burning before it starts to burn out. The ultimate test of our survival will come when we can fully minipulate the fabric of space/time in order to save our selevs from any end game it could throw at us.
Extinction.......because all the other species are doing it!
mars has no magnetosphere and can't hold an atmosphere. Unless we find a way to travel to other star systems with earth like planets to live on, our chances are slim.
You are 100% correct.
saganemc2 2 months ago
@saganemc2 Thank you.
rkzenrage 2 months ago
Ignorance is not an argument. This guy thinks it is.
trakkaton 1 year ago
Earth goes on?
Earth has about 500 million years of possible evolution time left, after that the sun will be too active for life to survive on earth
500 million years is a blink in evolutionary time, we might be the last and only intelligent lifeform capable of abstract thought and space travel that this planet is ever going to produce
If we don't spread life to other planets, all LIFE will be gone in the next 500 million years (there is no clue that life exists elsewhere)
adrastea99 1 year ago 4
also regardless of space colonization humanity will go extinct, but with our moving to colonies and extrasolar planets we will have (hopehully) more intelligent races born of human beings. so not a total loss.
Drmofothegreat 1 year ago
one thing i kinda like about libertarians is their insistence on the gold standard, which i think has the opportunity of creating a new goldrush but mining asteroidbelts of gold and other minerals. which could help our transition to creating colonies with permanent human life in space. i think terraforming planets like mars won't work though, because it's lack of a magnetosphere the atmospheric gasses would constantly be lost to the vacuum. but space arks and colonies yes
Drmofothegreat 1 year ago
I am not a religious fan, but decking the Church for taxes isn't sound financially
Since the Solar system and beyond is the goal here... We need to allow the celestial bodies to be turned into real estate. Let flags and personal property and weapons get out there. NASA can get lean and fit if the charter was modified to allow commerce to flow. There is enough room out there to make a difference. Technology will have to replace Natural processes til the planets can be habitable.
granddad2002 1 year ago
@granddad2002 I have no problem with it as long as they meet the same criteria as other 501c organizations.
rkzenrage 2 months ago
Instad of spending on wars we can spend to save ourselfs, but humankind is too stupid to understand peace.
Makaveli97961 1 year ago
dont worry big guy :) im working on it
SonLastName 2 years ago 4
@SonLastName Whew! I feel much better now!
rkzenrage 2 years ago
I Agree
KingAkkechi 2 years ago
i compleatly agree but not in the ide to trust NASA a goverment money maker to do the work for us i think their shoud be a cevillian manged space agentcy with the top scientists in the world shoud work with no fee and work for a more free space tommorow xD lol
KingAkkechi 2 years ago
the reason why computers are good,is that we have companines that have development wars to produce a beter product than the other....
why not create a space war?
...not in the kiling sence..but in a product development
captinseperoth 2 years ago
@captinseperoth
A space war is already in the making. The marked for space is very small at the moment, but people want to travel to space, even for just a few minutes and some companies with technology capable of that has already sold a lot of tickets. Then we just have to wait for a marked around mining in outer space, this will create colonies thus a wide space marked which will crave even more mining, construction and manufacturing and then it all will come together by it self.
fuunguus 1 year ago
NASA only helps with technology and problem solving, without it we wouldn't even be close to walking on the moon, perhaps just a few satellites would be all we had achieved. My point is, NASA and other profitless organizations acts as a boost towards that goal through creating ground on which other companies/organizations can stand on.
fuunguus 1 year ago
ya!
just you wait,when big corps realize there's trilions of dollars of mineral,in sole meteorites will make any company giddy....
and it's nearly solid chunks...rather the stuff we mine today on earth!
captinseperoth 1 year ago
wtf is this loaf talking about ?? ... jesus h. christ, get to the point already !
roscoe85cj 2 years ago
I hope that in the future Earth has space colonies
all over the solar system, from Mercury to Mars to the moons of Jupiter and Saturn and maybe even Pluto. That way, if something happens on Earth and all humans die in some catastrophe, there will be humans on other worlds able to continue the species and ensure we won't die out. Humans as a species cannot exist on Earth forever, simple truth
hurlockbros 3 years ago
Totally agree, I'm writting my College final writting paper on this exact topic, more power to you fkz.
Bennyliz 3 years ago
Yay Rob 3;16... oh crap my neck is showing.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
How about that:
The first nation that creates a self-sustainable, and relatively big colony in space will get dominant military advantage over all others, because a nuclear war on Earth wouldn't be as deadly for it as for others.
Imagine Russia has a big colony on the Moon. It wouldn't be a problem for the Kremlin guys at all to press the Restart Civilization button on Earth if they choose so.
euroarcology 3 years ago
I think the real answer is self sustaining, multi-generational space stations which can travel through space at relatively fast speeds and also orbit stars. Takes the bother of finding habitable planets out of the equation nicely, I think. In this reguard, the International Space Station is very encouraging. Not ideal yet (not even close), but its a huge preliminary step. That's my opinion. Sometimes (when stupid people really piss me off) I do take the nihilistic outlook though.
dannypantsgm 3 years ago
The Bad Astronomer has a book out called Death From The Skies. It catalogues all the things from space that can wipe us out. Cool book.
I'd love to see people land on Mars before I die. That'd be the best. Humanity on another world. Not a permanant solution but it means we're headed in the right direction. If that happens in my lifetime I can leave feeling pretty good about things.
dannypantsgm 3 years ago
And I think NASA is the best shot the species has at that. Lets just say this: I either want to feel assured we'll make it through alright, or be positive we all get obliterated before I die. Basically, I just want to know how our story ultimately ends. That's the most frustrating thing about mortality to me. I hate leaving before the movie is over, even if its bad! And of course, I'd prefer the happy ending (although I'll accept either scenario).
dannypantsgm 3 years ago
All right! You know, I talk about how important our space program is to people all the time and I always get these indifferent attitudes in response like I'm a nut or something. As if to say, "Get your head out of the clouds Dan and come back to Earth. Nobody gives a rat's ass about your wacky space jargon." They just dismiss it like it doesn't effect them. Maybe not, but I'd like to know that the story will eventually have a happy ending (or at least a chance for it) before I die.
dannypantsgm 3 years ago
I want the weed your smoking!!!
FatalCracka 3 years ago
what we need is something like another cold war with Russia or China or somebody because during the first cold war US technology had to advance quickly to keep with Russia after the cold war ended technology just slow down alot people in the 60s and 70s thought we would be living the moon and starting on mars
12outland12 3 years ago
The original probe to mars found water and bacteria in the soil. NASA lied about it then defamed the scientist and his work. Now they found water "again" and seem to be feeding us information slowly. What else are they lying to us about?
Mahoivlich 3 years ago
where did you get info from? if NASA found bacteria why didn't they us there is no reason to keep that from the public bacteria is one thing intelligent aliens is another
12outland12 3 years ago
Originally there were arguments about the soil sample experiment (labeled release) on the probe and it's ability to test for life. The experiment did 2 tests, first it took a sample and raised the temperature allowing for an ideal environment for reproduction of life. Gasses were measured over time and charted. Second the sample was sterilized and monitored to see if the results continued which would mean a chemical reaction source, not a biological one.
Mahoivlich 3 years ago
The experiment showed that the gasses were created biologically. News was released and NASA jumped all over it and smeared Gilbert Levin's name. Levin has been fighting since 1976 that the co2 levels produced in the experiment were in fact biological.
A meteorite was found recently in the arctic from mars containing bacteria but there is none in the soil on mars? NASA said there is no water on mars until it was absolutely undeniable.
Mahoivlich 3 years ago
interesting didn't know they did that but do have say this about the meteorite they didn't find bacteria in it but they did find what looked like fossilized bacteria it's hard to say seeing how that (i could be wrong) fossilized bacteria have not been found on earth
12outland12 3 years ago
No you are right I believe that the bacteria in the meteor was fossilized.
Mahoivlich 3 years ago
After a lecture to the public about the evolution of the solar system, an audience member comes up to the physicist who gave the lecture and asks "How long did you say it will be before the Sun scorches the Earth?" The physicist replies "Five billion years." At which point the man breathes a loud sigh of relief and exclaims "Thank God! I thought you said 'five MILLION years'!"
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
The moral of the joke is that there's no real reason to worry about the fate of the human race. We have only been around for about 100,000 years and only diverged from our closest living relatives six million years ago. By the time this becomes an issue, the 'human race' will be long gone.
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
There is no way to know that... though the current stats are not in our favor.
I've beaten worse odds at the black jack table though.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
I agree that NASA and the rest need to get a move on for the reason you mentioned, but I also like the technology they create.
That said, on the issue of the magnetic pole reversal, while there have been many in the past none of them correspond to periods of extinction. As such, any increase in radiation (which may not occur) seems unlikely to wipe us out.
cypherphage 3 years ago
Why is it important to you that humanity survives?
Desertphile 3 years ago
I stated at the beginning that I am on the fence about how important that is... did you even watch the video?
rkzenrage 3 years ago
"I stated at the beginning that I am on the fence about how important that is... did you even watch the video?"
Yes, I watched the video; I also read well---- you wrote "We MUST colonize space" and you wrote "Without them we will just become another dead-end." What is bad about humanity going extinct?
Desertphile 3 years ago
COULD. NOT. AGREE. MORE.
jeremmorrow 3 years ago
Thank you! Great comments lately.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
There's some rumbling, as of late, about how we're morally bound to not try and colonize Mars. The basic argument is that we'll likely destroy any Martian life...bacteria, if we push to replant humanity there. For my part, I say we squash the bugs! Us or them. Heh.
In all seriousness...although, that was...we really are DONE if we don't gain our space legs and quick.
jeremmorrow 3 years ago
I wonder if these people just move out of their home if they get infested with termites or roaches?
rkzenrage 3 years ago
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING, offering reasonable replies to this subject!?!
jeremmorrow 3 years ago
Crap... I forgot where I was for a min!
rkzenrage 3 years ago
@jeremmorrow
that was part of the book Red Mars, pretty good read check it out.
Drmofothegreat 1 year ago
i mean, i agree with you, but... manned missions are not very likely to expand our knowledge in a useful way at all.
telescopes make more sense. exploration using probes and robots makes more sense. if we take all that money and use it for manned missions, it might all be wasted.
kurtilein3 3 years ago
we should keep that goal in mind, because its an important goal, but at the moment we dont even know where to send such a spacecraft. the first step would be to find a planet that is interesting enough, so improving our telescopes seems to make much more sense than to send humans to mars. and maybe we will not be able to explore the universe as human beings at all, but will be forced to use artificial minds that can withstand conditions that kill humans and that are relatively immortal.
kurtilein3 3 years ago
i think its just a little bit too early to seriously attempt it.
in 30-40 years, we will probarbly master nuclear fusion and have more or less unlimited access to energy. in 5-15 years, we might be able to set up the first artificial minds. bringing a man to mars (at the moment) seems to be an unnecessary waste of energy and resources.
scientists have no clue how they could get a human being to a different star. humans dont live long enough to survive it. so why attempt the impossible?
kurtilein3 3 years ago
Even if we colonize this solar system, it is highly unlikely that we as a species could create technologies that would allow our sun to keep burning before it starts to burn out. The ultimate test of our survival will come when we can fully minipulate the fabric of space/time in order to save our selevs from any end game it could throw at us.
allinsaneman 3 years ago
and also most people don't realise that a lot of the technology developed in recent years is due in part to nasa testing and experimentation
hellshade2 3 years ago
I liked the video, but it is not only mars that we need to concentrate on but also saturn's moon Titan which also has an atmosphere.
jamesmatthews89 3 years ago
Extinction.......because all the other species are doing it!
mars has no magnetosphere and can't hold an atmosphere. Unless we find a way to travel to other star systems with earth like planets to live on, our chances are slim.
SuperAtheist 3 years ago
"Extinction.......because all the other species are doing it!"
Funny!
I remember a great man saying that "we are not going to do it because it is easy, but because it is hard"... and we made it in the ten years.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
I'm gonna make a video response to this in the morning. great topics
TristanPEJ 3 years ago
Thanks... I look forward to it.
rkzenrage 3 years ago