kawi is like race ready compared to al bikes likke other bike u gotta pay 3000 for aftermarket now u only gotta pay 1000 ahahah nah but kawi is beautiful
i have a question im looking at a 09kx250f and im kinda of a begginer for motocross but im 5,7 and like a 85s too small and i want a four stroke so is this good like im ok at riding?
@LengendaryBmx ya youll have a lil hard time getting your leg over but i went to 09 yz250f when i was 5'7 the bikes are heavy and for a beginner itll be harder but just get it and you learn quick
i agree todays bikes are all different because the new YZ450 engine and the YZ 250 is still carb other than those 2 things there really isnt much difference tho. ive riden Yamaha 2 strokes, kawasaki 250Fs and hondas and suzuki 450s and my new favorites yamaha 250f's its easy to make a slow bike fast but its harder to make a fast bike corner and have better suspension, thats why i went with the yamaha, has the best suspension but all i need to do to make it fast is slap a new pipe on an gearing
@colemwilson Alright yeah the 2010 yamaha has a great set up. I don't really like the engine though it's just not my kind of bike. Definetely one of the most comfortable 250f's and best handling for sure!
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@tommyxx1998t I'm 6ft 4in at 140 with all gear and both of my feet can barley touch the ground at the same time so idk if you will be able to stop without falling over (not to be ofencive) but I think it would be managable
listen if u seriously believe in this whole this bikes first and this ones second and etc then you are as stupid as the guy trying to sell it to you. go ahead choose any bike out there right now, dont matter if its suzuki, honda, kawasaki, yamaha, or KTM i guarentee that you will be the same lap times on every bike that you ride, just because you chose kawasaki doesnt mean its gonna cut your lap times in half TRUST ME thats not how it works buddy
you kidding me? what about his 2009 superross lites east championship?what about his 2009 national lites championship? and all of 2010 season he won outdoors and indoors, and MOTOCROSS of NATIONS, maybe he aint the best but that dont mean you can start throwing him under the bus. sure james is beating him right now and ryan also, but ryan dungey has what they dont, Consistancy. sure in 09 james won and in 08 ryan V won but none of those guys are consistant with there podiums like ryan dungey is
ITS NOT THE BIKE! ITS THE RIDER! all u dumb fucks sayin oh yea honda this suzuki that. they are all pretty much the same bike, they all have 249 cc's and they are all 4 strokes, the only difference is one is yellow, red, blue, green and so on. they all have different susspension also but once u get that dialed in than it dont matter what fuckin brand of bike it is
@colemwilson Go ride a ymaha 250f and then a kx250f and tell me how they are the same. yz yeah it's like an 06 250. not to fast but not slow, kx is like a slow 450 it's that fast. Riders yeah they have there own style engines are different or else they wouldn't make different parts to fit them. Your comment really makes you look like a genius.
@sameyav5 hey GENIUS ever watch the AMA supercross races on t.v.? how about the Nationals?, perfect example this year the Kawasaki KX450F was awarded by TWMX the 450 bike of the year, and sure as shit come A1 the top 10 riders of the main event consisted of racers riding, Yamahas, Suzukis, and Hondas and one lonely KTM. so yeah bud i kinda know what im talking about when i say it dont matter the bike, its the guy on top of it. take ryan dungeys suzuki away from him i guarantee he will still win
@sameyav5 ok sure then bikes stock, still dont matter. listen you cant just take a bike stock and ride it and be competitive, if u seriously just take ur KX250f and start riding it then ur a dumbass. U set it up the way u ride and the way u like it, nobody ever takes these thigs and rides em stock. take for example myself, have 2 bikes, an 09 an a 10 YZ250f, great stock but i still change the gearing. an suspension i change also on both of them even tho it says they come stock ready for my size
@colemwilson Stock classes. I don't have my bike stock either i have larger sprockets and stiffer suspension levers everything. I'm not saying riding a different bike will make you faster or slower just rider preference so you can calm down.
@sameyav5 look at your older comments numb nuts, you said YZ is OK or kinda slow yet you also said the KX is like a slow 450 its that fast,so yea you did kinda say that one bike is faser than the other
@colemwilson Oh my gosh i wish you could read i just said that riding a different bike wont make YOU better but i think some bikes are better than OTHERS! numb nuts. you probably haven't even made it to Freshmen english yet. That's why you can't comprehend what i'm saying.
@sameyav5 Go ride a ymaha 250f and then a kx250f and tell me how they are the same. yz yeah it's like an 06 250. not to fast but not slow, kx is like a slow 450 it's that fast. Riders yeah they have there own style engines are different or else they wouldn't make different parts to fit them. Your comment really makes you look like a genius.
theres your comment, now read it back to me and tell me how you were not saying that one bike is faster than the other...
@colemwilson I said i think some bikes are faster than others.. I said the bike won't make YOU faster for like the 5th time. My gosh you're a retard comprehend what i'm saying to you. Once you do write me back, okay? K..
@sameyav5 and im telling you that it dont matter if some bikes are faster than others, that its all about the rider not about what bikes faster than others. and i do understand what you are saying but quit being a bitch and trying to swith your words around, you were wrong plain and simple, you didnt know what you were alking about when you said that he KX is the fast bike of the bunch. FUCK give up, everybody who has read our comments now knows how much you DONT know about bikes and racing,
@colemwilson Whatever man bike are different. You look at the suzuki engine they put out more horses the honda's its completely different than the kawasaki, the yamaha has a reveresed 450 engine. They are all different so don't even say they are the same. Back in like 07 or something yeah kaw and suzuki made the exact same eninge i'll agree with that. but now the bikes are so far a long they are all so different. I'm just glad this isn't one of those arguments about 2 stroke or 4 stroke.. lol
@colemwilson I just want you to realize i'm talking about stock bikes not factory one. Because that kid agreed with you because he aid stewart rides a yamaha and they aren't the best, but you and i both know all the pro factory bikes are basically the same. different adjustments for riders but engine wise... same
@sameyav5 also look at Josh Grant, was a great racer on the Yamaha 450F in 2010 season, come 2011 he jumped on with Factory Honda, STILL doing well and still taking top 10 finishes. ever even read TWMX? they clearly say in the 2011 Shoot out that even tho there has to be a winner anyone of these bikes can be a winner come race time. the point i was trying to get across to everyone was that its not the bike, its the guy twisting the trottle. we all know KX's are good bikes its just not the best.
@colemwilson I'm talking about the bikes stock. All factory bikes basically have the same out put of power and all that i don't care what anyone says that's why they have thousands of dollars put in them and are called FACTORY bikes.. Take Ryans suzuki away from him and he will still win? Has he won any supercross this year no. he's a good rider i just think when he actually has competition he isn't the greatest. He has two titles though and you can't take those away i just doubt hell get it now
shit lol wat i wouldnt give to have an 09 kawi i rode on a testing day and its hands down the best bike ive ever rode beats the hell out of my 06 crf =D
You are actually asking if you should get a kx250 or a yz125...what are you stupid man? the KX is only the best 250 bike in 09...speaks for itself really.
i had the same choice and i chose the wrong bike. i ended up with a 2005 yz125 and it rips and is fast but its just harder to ride, no torque at all but nasty powerband. id go with the 250f
wow people get pissed over the whole kawi and honda thing. And actully the kawi has quite a bit more power, I have ridden both. Handeling is equal kawi looks cooler, And people that say kawi is un realiable? EAT A DICK i put 126.4 hours on my 07 woth ZERO issues. Not even a piston. So grow the fuck up and ride
Honda does not suck...The only reason you say that is because you like another brand. All the 250's are great bikes. I have ridden hondas, kawisakis, yamahas, everything. You cannot denie that the 250r honda has won more shootouts than any of the others.
kawasaki all the way im getting this bike on friday and all the bike dealers and people who have long line of bike history all say kawasaki by far have the best 09 bike series honda have way to many bikes to choose from.
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I think kawaski pay too mutch attention to how the bike looks and not qaulity , i was verry disapointed this year with there new 250f and 450f . And i found that honda and suzuki were the way to go for 09 .
im with dickey hondas are way better my 2006 crf 250 never had engine work where the kawasaki has a reputation with thier transmissions failing because they have weak gears
dude shut the fuck up you dont know shit.....How come the 2009 kx250f won the dirt rider, racer x, transworld mx(the vid you just watched) and motocross actions 2009 250f shootouts.....maybe it won b/c its waaay better than a piece of shit honda, the 2009 kx250f is way faster and looks way better than a fuckin over rated honda 250f, theres no difference between a honda 250f and a suzuki 250f, yea so face it honda sucks and didnt win any shootouts...Hows your vagina feel now??
are you fuckin gay you fuck face. hondas are cheap and un realiable like your mom. cuz shes a whore and you fuckin like getting sexy with her. you clearly dont know shit about the best bikes like kawasaki.
thats a bike worth buying and fuck hondas fuck ktms fuck suzuki fuck yamaha that bike is at the fuckin top the other bike copanys they dont got nothing on the kawasakis.
kawi is like race ready compared to al bikes likke other bike u gotta pay 3000 for aftermarket now u only gotta pay 1000 ahahah nah but kawi is beautiful
DjS1ZzUrP33 4 months ago
i have a question im looking at a 09kx250f and im kinda of a begginer for motocross but im 5,7 and like a 85s too small and i want a four stroke so is this good like im ok at riding?
LengendaryBmx 5 months ago
@LengendaryBmx ya youll have a lil hard time getting your leg over but i went to 09 yz250f when i was 5'7 the bikes are heavy and for a beginner itll be harder but just get it and you learn quick
DjS1ZzUrP33 4 months ago
i agree todays bikes are all different because the new YZ450 engine and the YZ 250 is still carb other than those 2 things there really isnt much difference tho. ive riden Yamaha 2 strokes, kawasaki 250Fs and hondas and suzuki 450s and my new favorites yamaha 250f's its easy to make a slow bike fast but its harder to make a fast bike corner and have better suspension, thats why i went with the yamaha, has the best suspension but all i need to do to make it fast is slap a new pipe on an gearing
colemwilson 1 year ago
@colemwilson Alright yeah the 2010 yamaha has a great set up. I don't really like the engine though it's just not my kind of bike. Definetely one of the most comfortable 250f's and best handling for sure!
sameyav5 1 year ago
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HONDASBEST 1 year ago 12
im almost 13 and im likee 4ft9 ish what bike can i get (big bike like hight wise please reply)
tommyxx1998t 1 year ago
@tommyxx1998t I'm 6ft 4in at 140 with all gear and both of my feet can barley touch the ground at the same time so idk if you will be able to stop without falling over (not to be ofencive) but I think it would be managable
HONDASBEST 1 year ago
listen if u seriously believe in this whole this bikes first and this ones second and etc then you are as stupid as the guy trying to sell it to you. go ahead choose any bike out there right now, dont matter if its suzuki, honda, kawasaki, yamaha, or KTM i guarentee that you will be the same lap times on every bike that you ride, just because you chose kawasaki doesnt mean its gonna cut your lap times in half TRUST ME thats not how it works buddy
colemwilson 1 year ago
you kidding me? what about his 2009 superross lites east championship?what about his 2009 national lites championship? and all of 2010 season he won outdoors and indoors, and MOTOCROSS of NATIONS, maybe he aint the best but that dont mean you can start throwing him under the bus. sure james is beating him right now and ryan also, but ryan dungey has what they dont, Consistancy. sure in 09 james won and in 08 ryan V won but none of those guys are consistant with there podiums like ryan dungey is
colemwilson 1 year ago
what should i get after commin off a crf230f
goneriding11 1 year ago
@goneriding11 coming off my 230's i got a 2008 YZ250F, now, after 1 year, iam reselling it to get a KXF or RMZ.
axeu350 1 year ago
ITS NOT THE BIKE! ITS THE RIDER! all u dumb fucks sayin oh yea honda this suzuki that. they are all pretty much the same bike, they all have 249 cc's and they are all 4 strokes, the only difference is one is yellow, red, blue, green and so on. they all have different susspension also but once u get that dialed in than it dont matter what fuckin brand of bike it is
colemwilson 1 year ago
@colemwilson Go ride a ymaha 250f and then a kx250f and tell me how they are the same. yz yeah it's like an 06 250. not to fast but not slow, kx is like a slow 450 it's that fast. Riders yeah they have there own style engines are different or else they wouldn't make different parts to fit them. Your comment really makes you look like a genius.
sameyav5 1 year ago
@sameyav5 hey GENIUS ever watch the AMA supercross races on t.v.? how about the Nationals?, perfect example this year the Kawasaki KX450F was awarded by TWMX the 450 bike of the year, and sure as shit come A1 the top 10 riders of the main event consisted of racers riding, Yamahas, Suzukis, and Hondas and one lonely KTM. so yeah bud i kinda know what im talking about when i say it dont matter the bike, its the guy on top of it. take ryan dungeys suzuki away from him i guarantee he will still win
colemwilson 1 year ago
@colemwilson and i never said anything about the kxf450
sameyav5 1 year ago
@sameyav5 ok sure then bikes stock, still dont matter. listen you cant just take a bike stock and ride it and be competitive, if u seriously just take ur KX250f and start riding it then ur a dumbass. U set it up the way u ride and the way u like it, nobody ever takes these thigs and rides em stock. take for example myself, have 2 bikes, an 09 an a 10 YZ250f, great stock but i still change the gearing. an suspension i change also on both of them even tho it says they come stock ready for my size
colemwilson 1 year ago
@colemwilson Stock classes. I don't have my bike stock either i have larger sprockets and stiffer suspension levers everything. I'm not saying riding a different bike will make you faster or slower just rider preference so you can calm down.
sameyav5 1 year ago
@sameyav5 look at your older comments numb nuts, you said YZ is OK or kinda slow yet you also said the KX is like a slow 450 its that fast,so yea you did kinda say that one bike is faser than the other
colemwilson 1 year ago
@colemwilson Oh my gosh i wish you could read i just said that riding a different bike wont make YOU better but i think some bikes are better than OTHERS! numb nuts. you probably haven't even made it to Freshmen english yet. That's why you can't comprehend what i'm saying.
sameyav5 1 year ago
@sameyav5 Go ride a ymaha 250f and then a kx250f and tell me how they are the same. yz yeah it's like an 06 250. not to fast but not slow, kx is like a slow 450 it's that fast. Riders yeah they have there own style engines are different or else they wouldn't make different parts to fit them. Your comment really makes you look like a genius.
theres your comment, now read it back to me and tell me how you were not saying that one bike is faster than the other...
colemwilson 1 year ago
@colemwilson I said i think some bikes are faster than others.. I said the bike won't make YOU faster for like the 5th time. My gosh you're a retard comprehend what i'm saying to you. Once you do write me back, okay? K..
sameyav5 1 year ago
@sameyav5 and im telling you that it dont matter if some bikes are faster than others, that its all about the rider not about what bikes faster than others. and i do understand what you are saying but quit being a bitch and trying to swith your words around, you were wrong plain and simple, you didnt know what you were alking about when you said that he KX is the fast bike of the bunch. FUCK give up, everybody who has read our comments now knows how much you DONT know about bikes and racing,
colemwilson 1 year ago
@colemwilson i agree bc just look at James Stewert... he rides a Yz450f and thats not too great of a bike... James can make any bike go fast!!!
HONDASBEST 1 year ago
@colemwilson Whatever man bike are different. You look at the suzuki engine they put out more horses the honda's its completely different than the kawasaki, the yamaha has a reveresed 450 engine. They are all different so don't even say they are the same. Back in like 07 or something yeah kaw and suzuki made the exact same eninge i'll agree with that. but now the bikes are so far a long they are all so different. I'm just glad this isn't one of those arguments about 2 stroke or 4 stroke.. lol
sameyav5 1 year ago
@colemwilson I just want you to realize i'm talking about stock bikes not factory one. Because that kid agreed with you because he aid stewart rides a yamaha and they aren't the best, but you and i both know all the pro factory bikes are basically the same. different adjustments for riders but engine wise... same
sameyav5 1 year ago
@sameyav5 also look at Josh Grant, was a great racer on the Yamaha 450F in 2010 season, come 2011 he jumped on with Factory Honda, STILL doing well and still taking top 10 finishes. ever even read TWMX? they clearly say in the 2011 Shoot out that even tho there has to be a winner anyone of these bikes can be a winner come race time. the point i was trying to get across to everyone was that its not the bike, its the guy twisting the trottle. we all know KX's are good bikes its just not the best.
colemwilson 1 year ago
@colemwilson I'm talking about the bikes stock. All factory bikes basically have the same out put of power and all that i don't care what anyone says that's why they have thousands of dollars put in them and are called FACTORY bikes.. Take Ryans suzuki away from him and he will still win? Has he won any supercross this year no. he's a good rider i just think when he actually has competition he isn't the greatest. He has two titles though and you can't take those away i just doubt hell get it now
sameyav5 1 year ago
honda valves are made of peanut butter
riseagainst1122 1 year ago 2
kawasaki is best!! but its all about the rider!
MrMotocrossfan 1 year ago
shit lol wat i wouldnt give to have an 09 kawi i rode on a testing day and its hands down the best bike ive ever rode beats the hell out of my 06 crf =D
09crf250dreamz 1 year ago
I am thinking of buying a 2004 KX250F is it a good bike, ive heard mixed reviews
metalhead930430 1 year ago
kwaka's are the best make. i just got a 2010 kx250f no problems at all.
boccinator 1 year ago
the testriders knows how to twist the throttle!
TjejLord 1 year ago
ummm honda's 2010 250f is fuel injected i would take that over a kx any day. i have a 08
holmes178 1 year ago
2010 EFI RMZ 250 will kick the CRF250r ass anyday, same with the kawi.
motorider126 1 year ago
"Umm uhh, ummm errrr, uhhhhmmm"
CRFbadass 1 year ago
im baout to get a new bike wat would u sugest a kawasaki kx250f
or the yamaha yz125
adamjc225 2 years ago
You are actually asking if you should get a kx250 or a yz125...what are you stupid man? the KX is only the best 250 bike in 09...speaks for itself really.
Valaren55 2 years ago 7
@Valaren55 and now its 2010 best 250f
MrTrailblazerman 2 years ago 3
i had the same choice and i chose the wrong bike. i ended up with a 2005 yz125 and it rips and is fast but its just harder to ride, no torque at all but nasty powerband. id go with the 250f
RideHardBoi427 2 years ago
125
gregmabe 2 years ago
when are they bringing out the first impression of the rmz 250
thegringo115 2 years ago
wow people get pissed over the whole kawi and honda thing. And actully the kawi has quite a bit more power, I have ridden both. Handeling is equal kawi looks cooler, And people that say kawi is un realiable? EAT A DICK i put 126.4 hours on my 07 woth ZERO issues. Not even a piston. So grow the fuck up and ride
skatersarefags1 2 years ago
i love my kxf but i think that the shorty pipe on the crf looks cool
foxracing279 2 years ago
just bought this beast today, love it! Engine is insane!
smithers115 2 years ago
Love this song song, great video, and great bike!
HiOctaned367 2 years ago
great bike , great video , SHIT SONG , what is wrong with you why do you like the head bashing shit ?
motocrosslord 2 years ago
Thats just me dude. If you dont like it get over it.
HiOctaned367 2 years ago
its a lot better than rap
lilben869 2 years ago
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well i have 4 bikes 06 07 08 and 09 and they are all kawai's kxf250's and nuthin seems to have changed except the 09 has lost top end power
HellzSkater666 2 years ago
ya but with the pro riders they feel all the differences in the suspension and all that stuff. ameteurs dont really feel that stuff
02rm85fmf 2 years ago
i dunno my buddy just switched from an 08 to 09 and he says the bikes a shit load faster.
smithers115 2 years ago
hey dude is their a big difference between the 09 and the 07 is it worth getting an 09
motocrossrider898 2 years ago
i love mine its so fast and funn great awsome bike kawi&honda Rock!!!!!!
monster509honda 2 years ago
HONDA ALL THE WAY!!! I like kawasakis but i think hondas preform much better. Does anyone know the song name????????
Sc0ttTay 2 years ago
the song is called tip the scales by rise against
kssman9 2 years ago
Kawasaki never dissapoints ! Damn i love their 250F!!!
YAMAHASUZUKIISKING 2 years ago 27
honda sucks
Nfran52 2 years ago 28
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Honda does not suck...The only reason you say that is because you like another brand. All the 250's are great bikes. I have ridden hondas, kawisakis, yamahas, everything. You cannot denie that the 250r honda has won more shootouts than any of the others.
xXStupidHurtsXx 2 years ago
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hondas the best
coynemxMOP 2 years ago
@Nfran52 honda is rated the most reliable out of the four japanese bikes. RESEARCH
RTate780 1 year ago
@Nfran52 nuff said
TheHondaAbuser 10 months ago
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you can beat the shit out of hondas tho and they dont break
megawhip1 9 months ago
@megawhip1 true their man i have a crf 250r and i ride the shit out of that bike and it hasnt let me down once... but i do keep her clean tho
mxrider2138 6 months ago
kawasaki all the way im getting this bike on friday and all the bike dealers and people who have long line of bike history all say kawasaki by far have the best 09 bike series honda have way to many bikes to choose from.
clankersjob 3 years ago
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I think kawaski pay too mutch attention to how the bike looks and not qaulity , i was verry disapointed this year with there new 250f and 450f . And i found that honda and suzuki were the way to go for 09 .
iannsr125 3 years ago
who is that song by? sounds like rise against
snowboardman19 3 years ago
Yeah Rise against i'm pretty sure, not sure on the song though
DevilDRakez 3 years ago
im with dickey hondas are way better my 2006 crf 250 never had engine work where the kawasaki has a reputation with thier transmissions failing because they have weak gears
crfracer250f 3 years ago
does anyone think theyll make fuel injected 250's i know the 450's are.. just wondering?
lakeelsinorejukie188 3 years ago
dude i just got an 09 crf250r its got a lot more power than the peace of shit of a kawaski and better looks
dickeybart 3 years ago
dude just shut up and ride your god damn bike.
dirtbikes4life250 3 years ago 2
wow hondas suck dude! kawi's nvr break down on u like those damn hondas
kawirider519 3 years ago
i totally agree once again lol
LetSRedLiNe 3 years ago
dude shut the fuck up you dont know shit.....How come the 2009 kx250f won the dirt rider, racer x, transworld mx(the vid you just watched) and motocross actions 2009 250f shootouts.....maybe it won b/c its waaay better than a piece of shit honda, the 2009 kx250f is way faster and looks way better than a fuckin over rated honda 250f, theres no difference between a honda 250f and a suzuki 250f, yea so face it honda sucks and didnt win any shootouts...Hows your vagina feel now??
LetSRedLiNe 3 years ago
haha i just got an 09 kx250f that just won 4 shootouts in a row, im so happy...o but wait, the crf250f hasn't won any,hahahahah sucks for you :P hehe
LetSRedLiNe 3 years ago
LetSRedLiNe, your an idiot. the kx250f is my favourite too, but you sound like a little 6 year old. grow up.
emohater12345 3 years ago
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laurenwf07 3 years ago
yh my fav 250 is crf but fav 450 is kaw
hedbilll98 3 years ago
this bike suxs compared to the 2009 crf250r
dickeybart 3 years ago
are you fuckin gay you fuck face. hondas are cheap and un realiable like your mom. cuz shes a whore and you fuckin like getting sexy with her. you clearly dont know shit about the best bikes like kawasaki.
monsterlovadk12 3 years ago 3
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laurenwf07 3 years ago
ur a fagg
LetSRedLiNe 3 years ago
Radiators 6.2mm lighter! LOL!
Them KXF's looks sweeeet!
airtimefive 3 years ago
thats a bike worth buying and fuck hondas fuck ktms fuck suzuki fuck yamaha that bike is at the fuckin top the other bike copanys they dont got nothing on the kawasakis.
monsterlovadk12 3 years ago
i totally agree
LetSRedLiNe 3 years ago
when is the mx shootout
mulishaphsyco 3 years ago
I think i made my decision im getting mine in a week! So freaking happy!
plehdehgame 3 years ago
good choice i got mine saturday and it is the shit
mjccca 3 years ago
i got mine last saturday check out omy vid of me starting it
LEG1N4M3NT 3 years ago
mine is on order too i gettin the black one.
helmet5150 3 years ago
im getten the 450
cut227 3 years ago
mad as do you think they are a bit to black tho?
CoonJager 3 years ago
Love it! :D
Im gettin mine this wednesday!!!
Midtmoen114 3 years ago