Droids have limited knowledge, Clones don't. But don't you dare to think that clones were not also programmed. Their minds were all wiped and programmed. They are to obey....feelings are very limited and there's no such thing as free will for them.
@555hego He won't, because the "Clone Wars" is meant to depict the events and timelime that happened between "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith". Grievous isn't killed and disposed of until the fight on Utapau, by Obi-Wan.
Grievous is the most epic villain of any movie, tv show or written media ever made, sorry if you disagree, but he is in my opinion, if you agree vote this up.
@martin123591 i like this shows action its fun but its story is screwed up. The CIS were on par with the republic and won many battles, how many have they won in this show? ZERO. the droids are annoying and shouldnt a droid be emotionless? man its just shit. General Grievous took on 5 jedi at once and won. 2 of which were on the jedi council and were masters. In this shit show he gets handled by a fuckin padawan.
@monkadelic13 Before. Windu didn't own the shit out of him, though. Windu thought that he and Fisto had defeated Grievous, by throwing him off of the maglev train in which Shaak Ti, Roron Corobb, Foul Moudama, Roth-Del Masona and B'ink Utrila were guarding Palpatine. A moment later, he saw Grievous running away with Palpatine, and all he managed to do was Force Crushing Grievous's breastplate, thus injuring his lung. Then he found all but Shaak Ti dead. If anyone was owned, it was Windu. :b
@Rexann99 no hes not hes just a prick in the plot itself; he never had anything to do with the entire picture; jus tsomething they wanted to kill off the jedi throughout the clone wars. grevious aint shit but a brain and some stems going through a robotic mechanism that had no training prior to dooku recruiting him period
@monkadelic13 That is not entirely true. Qymaen jai Sheelal (or "Grievous") was actually a Kaleesh warlord, worshipped by the Kaleesh people for the great skills at war he showed battling the Huk. At one point he took a job as an enforcer with the InterGalactic Banking Clan, but San Hill, after realizing his potential as a weapon against the Republic and speaking to Count Dooku about it, had him injured by a bomb and then rebuilt into a cyborg. His torso and head was still biological by then. (:
The clones were programmed to follow order 66. They turned on their jedi leaders some of which they were good friends with and they could not say no to killing them because they were programmed to.
@Jen41326 Actually ... no. They were programmed (their genes were manipulated) to be loyal to their masters. Their masters were not the Jedi, but the republic. The Jedi served the republic just as the clone army did. Order 66 was one of the republic's 150 contingency orders, and stated that the Jedi had betrayed the republic and should be eliminated. The clones could disobey the order, as some did, but to most clones it was an order like any other about killing a traitor.
@nohomers100 Whether to use the Kaminoan clone army or not was not the Jedi's choice. It was a decision made by the Galactic Senate of the Republic with the Military Creation Act. The Jedi's only choice was whether to help the Republic against the Confederacy of Independant Systems or not.
And beside that, it was Sifo-Dyas, a leading member of the Jedi High Council at the time, who ordered the production of the army. The Council knew he had foreseen a war coming, so it didn't seem mysterious.
@SelvesteSand Really? Considering that they are supposed to be wise you'd think they would investigate further. Ah yes sifo-dyas who conveniently died shortly after giving the order to create the army so they cant question him about it. Another red flag. When was it mentioned that he foresaw some war coming? It wasnt in the movie. Mustve been in one of the novels where they flesh out important plot points cuz lucas cant be bothered doing it himself.
I think the Clone Wars needs to end with Grievous killing Ahsoka (Maybe even Rex too), and getting away with Palpatine, leading directly into ROTS. Currently the best way to make him slightly more badass.
@Evolfurnace That is impossible. Obi-Wan and Anakin were on Tythe when Grievous attacked Coruscant, and since Ahsoka was not with Anakin on Tythe, she must have been out of the picture by then. When the CIS attacked Coruscant, Shaak Ti took the Chancellor to a secret bunker aboard a maglev train, guarded by herself, Roron Corobb, Foul Moudama, Roth-Del Masona, B'ink Utrila and some clone troopers. Grievous killed them all except Shaak, and got away with Palpatine without meeting Ahsoka. :b
@starguard He was a Kaleesh cyborg. His real name is Qymaen jai Sheelal, and on Kalee he was a famous and worshipped warlord. He took a job as an enforcer with the InterGalactic Banking Clan, and then San Hill, after realizing his potential as a weapon against the Republic and speaking to Count Dooku about it, had him injured by a bomb and then rebuilt into a cyborg. His head, torso, and arms survived the explosion, but after being rebuild he had only his head and vital organs left. (:
don't make sence...in the movies why did he bother telling Obi Wan that Dooku taught him to be a jedi when he must have already known lol the Starwars Universe has just gone to shit with all these cash cows lol
Grievous was one of the most awesome villains. Grievous has all the reason to hate the Jedi and the Republic, they were responsible for the suffering of his homeworld.
@MattyJPGreg Its such a shame that there talents are waisted with the republic. Count Dooku could have used the clones for himself, kill the jedi, kill his master (not like he needs palpy any more), and took over the galaxie.
@xlrwolf10 Perhaps that's what he was planning to do? The Rule of Two states that the Apprentice must someday surpass the Master. Dooku was clearly planning to make Ventress powerful enough to replace him and then together they would overthrow Sidious; he later thought he'd continue this plot w/ Savage Opress. So maybe invading Kamino and retrieving the clone DNA was part of Dooku's own plot to best Sidious. But in all honesty, Dooku was a fool if he thought he could challenge Sidious anyway.
@MattyJPGreg he dosnt need to challenge him. darth malek had his forces fire on his masters ship and palpatine killed his master in his sleep it dosnt need to be a duel to the death.
@xlrwolf10 I didn't necessarily mean challenge as in to a duel. Dooku could use a similar slimy cowardly tactic but Sidious has been confirmed by a few Lucasfilm sources to be the most powerful Sith Lord in the history of the galaxy and he can see EVERYTHING, I doubt Dooku could do something sneaky like that so easily. But if Dooku would rather be more direct (which I think he would), he'd likely fail.
@xlrwolf10 Yes, at the end of his life in a twist of fate that nobody could've seen coming. Vader had been buried for so long and him turning on him right then and there wouldn't have been expected. But Vader didn't kill him, because his spirit escaped the destruction of his body.
@xlrwolf10 I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him still being alive, if he truly made his soul immortal. He just never found the secret of immortality in the material body. The other times he "died" he transported his spirit to a new body so it don't count. Ok I exaggerate, he's MOSTLY psychic and saw 98% of happenings in the universe, how else'd he orchestrate EVERYTHING revolving around the Clone Wars before between and long after? There were small things he just didn't see, though.
@MattyJPGreg@MattyJPGreg His secret identity was also endangered multiple times, and most of the times he was saved from pure luck. So yes, he was powerful, and yes, he was a tactical genius, but he was also lucky, and he didn't orchestrate EVERYTHING. :b
He was probably a little psychic, like many other Force users, but as I understand it, that was not his strongest ability, like with Oppo Rancisis, or Yoda. ^^
@MattyJPGreg Darth Sidious din't obey the Rule of Two. Sometimes he had more than one apprentice, and he let his apprentice, Darth Tyranus, have several apprentices (the Dark Acolytes). There were many other than Ventress and Opress. ;)
He was not really psychic - as far as I know, he did not even master Force battle meditation. He was simply a brilliant stragegist, and lucky that his plans worked. And about the immortality, Empatojayos Brand held Palpatines spirit within him when he died. ^^
@SelvesteSand I know, the Dark Acolytes, but that's why they were called acolytes not apprentices; Dooku might have thought of Ventress as his unofficial apprentice, but Sidious saw her more as his assassin, which is why she is more often referred to as an assassin or agent, not usually apprentice. Sooo, to both of them, they never saw these extra guys as a violation of the ROT 'cuz they were unofficial. And nah, I'm pretty sure you're underestimating Sidious but hey, to each his/her own.
@MattyJPGreg I've been reading more about it (on Wookieepedia), and I must admit I was wrong. Darth Sidious never had more than one Sith Apprentice at a time, though he, at some occasions, had more than one Dark Jedi apprentice. He did not teach "the extras" the way of the Sith.
Darth Tyranus also respected the rule of two, and thus had no Sith apprentice, yet he may very likely have tought Asajj Ventress a few things about the Sith, possibly planning to overthrow Sidious and make her a Sith.
@MattyJPGreg I know that Darth Sidious is strong with the Force, actually one of the most powerful Sith ever. But many things happened, that he did not expect - even some things that he did not want to happen. For example did he try to have Obi-Wan Kenobi killed several times - both Tyranus, Grievous, Ventress and other assasins were given that task on multiple occasions. And there was several Republic victories in the Clone Wars which were way too big, where he had planned a seperatist victory.
@SelvesteSand And also, the more this series unfolds, the more I just think it's disregarding the comics and novels (maybe not ALL of them but the majority of them in the CW era) completely like a retcon. Unfortunately since George rarely gives us his word on anything outside of the movies there's no way to tell that for sure.
@MattyJPGreg I have, myself, not noticed many inconsistencies between this series and previous Star Wars canon. But i hate how they suddely had Even Piell'd death changed - originally he survived the Clone Wars, and survived the Great Jedi Purge for two weeks. That was in a novel. And it was one of the coolest Star Wars death scenes ever. I don't like his new Clone Wars death. :/
@SelvesteSand Dark Jedi are not Sith,, Sidious and Dooku, were the true Sith Lords, hence why Ventress or Tan Severance were not referred to as Darth .
@MATTHEW39694 You are right that Dark Jedi are not necessarily Sith. The term Dark Jedi indicates one to be a Jedi fallen to the dark side. Neither Asajj Ventress or Sev'rance Tann were ever Jedi, though. But yes, they were just acolytes of Dooku (Ventress received some Sith training, though, but no, she wasn't really a Sith apprentice).
Many Sith did not bear the title of Darth, including some of the greatest Sith ever, like Freedon Nadd, Naga Sadow and Exar Kun. ;)
Well, homer, the clones do have their own "heart and soul" they weren't programmed but trained to be soldiers, they simply don't know how to do anything else.
No the clone army wasn't programmed to follow any order.. they were trained to follow any order and had some free will to show emotion. That's something the droid army don't have.
@RobotsGreatWar2 I'm pretty sure the Kaminoan said they were programmed. Any way it is still a little wacked to take the moral high ground with an army of disposable people that can be easily replaced.
@nohomers100 They weren't truly "programmed". Jango Fett's genes were modified during the cloning process to make the clones MORE obedient and loyal than they'd have been unaltered, but they were still humans with the capability to develop distinct personalities and traits and to make choices. The modifications were not absolute-it can never be with humans. They had the "spirit and soul" Obi-Wan is talking about, which made them distinct from droids(and also more effective).
@nohomers100 It should also be noted that not all clones were modified-an elite few (ARCs, basically special forces) went unmodified. Their interaction with standard clones shows the extent of choice clones generally had. Many ordinary clones learned from ARC troopers and became more independent and innovative. Some were even promoted and made ARCs.
You don't find this level of variation among droids, so it is fair to say that Obi-Wan, while still a little hypocritical, has a point.
@Futuregohan14 They are still disposable humans that are bred to fight. I think that is unbelievably unethical for the supposedly morally superior Jedi. Redlettermedia brought up a good point in his Sith review and that was the Jedi Council never had to worry about how many widows or how many fatherless kids there would be because of the war.
@nohomers100 What I meant was that they are born to be loyal to the jedi but other than that they have free will, also I doubt that they are born brainwashed to be loyal because there are certain parts in the animated Star Wars where there are clones which have deffected for their own pourposes
@killer21334 yeah free will doesnt work like that. Imagine if some country in the real world did that. Genetically altered children to be loyal to the country but were otherwise free to do what they wanted. That wouldnt fly. and its kinda stupid when you have the morally superior jedi, an order dedicated to wisdom and justice using an army of genetically altered disposable humans. Its almost like Lucas didnt really think this through...
@nohomers100 almost? More like not at all. It seems morally reprehensible when you really think about it. Clones and droids should have been what the anti-republic forces should have used while the Republic became more militaristic in dealing with this threat
@killer21334 That's a pretty big stretch to compare going awol in the real world to a clone who was born into servitude who decides he doesnt want to fight in the army he never asked to join.
@homer912 True, but they can still think independently and do their own thing (as we've already seen at least one do, and we know many don't follow order 66). They can also be human. They have a will to live above that of just following orders, so while it may not be exactly the same, he's still in charge of people, not computers. Most importantly though, he never said he was proud of it- Grevious is saying it as his life's achievement. The Jedi are in it for peace, not power.
@homer912 well, that's not entirely true. While the clones do obey any order, that doesn't make them totally mindless. They are able to think and act independently. They were born and raised soldiers, it's really not so much that their 'programmed' to obey, it's more like they are born and trained to. Order 66 wasn't some reprogramming button, it was a failsafe in case of a corrupt/defective leader.
@homer912 the clones aren't programmed, just trained, and Obi-wan doesn't want to rule the universe or eliminate the Jedi, just keep the peace by ending the Separatist threat
@homer912 killer21334 is right. Not about the Jedi part, though: They are loyal to the republic. Yes, homer912, the clones are programmed with a sort of desire to follow their masters's orders, but that desire may be outrun by greater desires, and they do have a free will. It has occured that clones have deserted the army, or even betrayed the republic. Therefore, when they are loyal, it is true loyalty, unlike the "loyalty" of the the dorids.
i can barely remember but darth taranus convinced grevious to join there dark side.(or something like that) and then taranus made grevious's shuttle crash. he poisined grevious's mind by saying the Jedi did that to him. they had to put him in that suit so thats why when ever u see Grevious he is always saying how much he hates the jedi
To be fair, he keeps most of them in his cape, however the scenes where he has no cape...laziness on the animator's part. Either that or he can reach into pocket dimensions. XD
because this isnt canon thats why, this show and everyhing you see never happend in the movies. yet the movies are canon to this show, so im guessing Grevious will kill Obi right here and now, or will Obi kill Grevious on this show..no one knows....save millions that saw the movie.....that is why a fight like this isnt intresting, you know how it ends. a prequel is fine and all, but a good prequel tells you how a character got somewhere not have them redo a fight they cant win here
This video is about 10 seconds too short... it stopped short of the Realistic part (ie, the part where Obi-Wan gets turned into diced meat giblets by Grievous). I don't care HOW good you are with a lightsaber and the force - it is Mathematically Impossible to block Four lightsabers coming from Four directions at once.
@Saicofake It's not immune, it's Resistant. And Grievous is a Tank - who struck it with four lightsabers at once in a hammering motion. I'd say that's a good enough reason as any to break.
LOL @ How they always make Grievous fight how he's supposed to in animation xD
Fuzion 1 month ago
Clicked this vid to find out stuff about Grievous. And sure enough, the comment section didnt fail me. Dontcha just luv these troll nerds.
ihp0ts 1 month ago
gasp! What's going to happen! Gimmeabreak! We all know they are both going to walk out of this one so where's the tension?
RoninDave 1 month ago
no matter how much i love grievous,
his army rlly r a bunch a weaklings i feel sorry for him :(
M4levolence 2 months ago
wow.....some of my fave characters hate being called things there not!!
wheatley (from portal 2): doesn't like to be called a moron
grievous: doesn't like being called a droid
see how that works? (p.s. do not read comment if you don't like or never herd of portal)
TheFallen552 2 months ago
Genral Grievous is my favourite sith. He is the best lightsaberfighting.
Shame that grievous dies at the third episode.
TheOrcaWorld 3 months ago
@TheOrcaWorld Grievous is not adept to the Force therefore he cannot be a Sith. He is a fighter trained to use the lightsaber in combat
MataleeFett 1 month ago
3 of grievous' most awesome quotes in the Clone Wars:
"I am the leader of the most powerful droid army the galaxy has ever seen!"
OB:"What have you to show for all your power, what have you to gain?"
GG:"A future. A future where there are no Jedi!"
"The story of Obi-Wan Kenobi ends here!"
CrashKirby64 3 months ago 4
"Murderer? is it murder to rid the galaxy of you Jedi filth!!!"
ConcreteSurfer420 3 months ago
When Grievous broke the electrostaff I was like "Holy crap!" It's a shame he had to die.
CrashKirby64 3 months ago
Why is it that the animated TV series made Grievous looks badass, but Episode 3 had him running away like a pussy?
BigPapaSmurf103189 4 months ago
Droids have limited knowledge, Clones don't. But don't you dare to think that clones were not also programmed. Their minds were all wiped and programmed. They are to obey....feelings are very limited and there's no such thing as free will for them.
Also, Grievous is not a droid.
wintersnoob 4 months ago
Droids have feelings! Or this show makes it feel like they have. <_<
lazicful 4 months ago
i like and watch the clone wars series even though im probably too old for it
trymr56 4 months ago
when is obi wan finally gunna kill grevious?
555hego 4 months ago
@555hego In Episode III when they go at it on Utapau.
ilovemonkeyos 4 months ago
@ilovemonkeyos but thats in the revenge of the sith movie i mean when will he kill grevious in the clone wars saga
555hego 4 months ago
@555hego He won't, because the "Clone Wars" is meant to depict the events and timelime that happened between "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith". Grievous isn't killed and disposed of until the fight on Utapau, by Obi-Wan.
ilovemonkeyos 4 months ago
Grievous is the most epic villain of any movie, tv show or written media ever made, sorry if you disagree, but he is in my opinion, if you agree vote this up.
5dmc1 4 months ago
general grievous wasnt fighting for power. He was fighting because he was pissed about the republic murdering his people. MAN THIS SHOW IS SHT!
seminoleboy96 4 months ago
@seminoleboy96 ur shit
martin123591 4 months ago
@martin123591 i like this shows action its fun but its story is screwed up. The CIS were on par with the republic and won many battles, how many have they won in this show? ZERO. the droids are annoying and shouldnt a droid be emotionless? man its just shit. General Grievous took on 5 jedi at once and won. 2 of which were on the jedi council and were masters. In this shit show he gets handled by a fuckin padawan.
seminoleboy96 4 months ago
@seminoleboy96 then dont watch it. That simple
martin123591 4 months ago
@martin123591 i like star wars and i like the clone wars storyline. This show could be so much better though
seminoleboy96 4 months ago
the clones are programing to folow the orders of the emeror =) not for be loyal to the jedi thats why joda never likes clones-
this is real deep indeed cus u can see why droid or clone are the same shit
Geronimosurraco 5 months ago 5
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amfK99 5 months ago
How did Grievous chop through the electrostaff?
StarWarsStory 5 months ago
@StarWarsStory He cut the staff where there was no electricity, like when you hit a lightsaber on the handle. ^^
SelvesteSand 5 months ago
you guys r lozers! ;P
SuperBmiller123 6 months ago
was this before or after mace windu owned the shit out of him and crushed his lung? hence coughing in the movies?
monkadelic13 6 months ago
@monkadelic13 Before. Windu didn't own the shit out of him, though. Windu thought that he and Fisto had defeated Grievous, by throwing him off of the maglev train in which Shaak Ti, Roron Corobb, Foul Moudama, Roth-Del Masona and B'ink Utrila were guarding Palpatine. A moment later, he saw Grievous running away with Palpatine, and all he managed to do was Force Crushing Grievous's breastplate, thus injuring his lung. Then he found all but Shaak Ti dead. If anyone was owned, it was Windu. :b
SelvesteSand 6 months ago
grievous is the powerfull character of starwars
Rexann99 7 months ago
@Rexann99 no hes not hes just a prick in the plot itself; he never had anything to do with the entire picture; jus tsomething they wanted to kill off the jedi throughout the clone wars. grevious aint shit but a brain and some stems going through a robotic mechanism that had no training prior to dooku recruiting him period
monkadelic13 6 months ago
@monkadelic13 That is not entirely true. Qymaen jai Sheelal (or "Grievous") was actually a Kaleesh warlord, worshipped by the Kaleesh people for the great skills at war he showed battling the Huk. At one point he took a job as an enforcer with the InterGalactic Banking Clan, but San Hill, after realizing his potential as a weapon against the Republic and speaking to Count Dooku about it, had him injured by a bomb and then rebuilt into a cyborg. His torso and head was still biological by then. (:
SelvesteSand 6 months ago
The clones were programmed to follow order 66. They turned on their jedi leaders some of which they were good friends with and they could not say no to killing them because they were programmed to.
Jen41326 7 months ago
@Jen41326 Actually ... no. They were programmed (their genes were manipulated) to be loyal to their masters. Their masters were not the Jedi, but the republic. The Jedi served the republic just as the clone army did. Order 66 was one of the republic's 150 contingency orders, and stated that the Jedi had betrayed the republic and should be eliminated. The clones could disobey the order, as some did, but to most clones it was an order like any other about killing a traitor.
SelvesteSand 6 months ago
From what episode was that? And does anny 1 knows the episode where GG has his 4 arms implutadet into his robot body o: lul
iPavka7a 7 months ago
Grevious should point out that the Jedi, who are supposedly wise, are in fact unbelievably stupid since they are using a clone army that was
1) created without their knowledge or consent
2) created on a planet that was mysteriously erased from their databanks
3) created using a man who was trying to assassinate Padme as their template and who was found to be in league with Dooku and the Separtists.
none of these things caused them to be suspicious? What a bunch of idiots
nohomers100 8 months ago 32
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SelvesteSand 6 months ago
@nohomers100 Whether to use the Kaminoan clone army or not was not the Jedi's choice. It was a decision made by the Galactic Senate of the Republic with the Military Creation Act. The Jedi's only choice was whether to help the Republic against the Confederacy of Independant Systems or not.
And beside that, it was Sifo-Dyas, a leading member of the Jedi High Council at the time, who ordered the production of the army. The Council knew he had foreseen a war coming, so it didn't seem mysterious.
SelvesteSand 6 months ago
@SelvesteSand Really? Considering that they are supposed to be wise you'd think they would investigate further. Ah yes sifo-dyas who conveniently died shortly after giving the order to create the army so they cant question him about it. Another red flag. When was it mentioned that he foresaw some war coming? It wasnt in the movie. Mustve been in one of the novels where they flesh out important plot points cuz lucas cant be bothered doing it himself.
nohomers100 6 months ago
@nohomers100 Not idiots - just questionable writing on Lucas's part.
DarthZillasaurus 3 months ago
Nerd wars lol
TheBooster9 8 months ago
I think the Clone Wars needs to end with Grievous killing Ahsoka (Maybe even Rex too), and getting away with Palpatine, leading directly into ROTS. Currently the best way to make him slightly more badass.
Evolfurnace 8 months ago 3
@Evolfurnace That is impossible. Obi-Wan and Anakin were on Tythe when Grievous attacked Coruscant, and since Ahsoka was not with Anakin on Tythe, she must have been out of the picture by then. When the CIS attacked Coruscant, Shaak Ti took the Chancellor to a secret bunker aboard a maglev train, guarded by herself, Roron Corobb, Foul Moudama, Roth-Del Masona, B'ink Utrila and some clone troopers. Grievous killed them all except Shaak, and got away with Palpatine without meeting Ahsoka. :b
SelvesteSand 6 months ago
@SelvesteSand Bah, Retcons! lol
Evolfurnace 6 months ago
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SelvesteSand 5 months ago
@Evolfurnace
That has nothing to do with retcons. Actually, if it is changed in these Clone Wars series, THAT will be a retcon. ;)
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Retcon
SelvesteSand 5 months ago
@SelvesteSand Exactly.
God, I suck at Grammar.
Evolfurnace 5 months ago
Esse não é o episódio Grievus Intrigue.
Stabller 8 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=MfNhs6sh3_Q
Suport7000 8 months ago
My favorite villain of all time
skeletonking1234 8 months ago
What exactly is General Grevious anyway? Some kind of Armor wearing Cyborgenic Cockroach or something?
starguard 8 months ago
@starguard He was a Kaleesh cyborg. His real name is Qymaen jai Sheelal, and on Kalee he was a famous and worshipped warlord. He took a job as an enforcer with the InterGalactic Banking Clan, and then San Hill, after realizing his potential as a weapon against the Republic and speaking to Count Dooku about it, had him injured by a bomb and then rebuilt into a cyborg. His head, torso, and arms survived the explosion, but after being rebuild he had only his head and vital organs left. (:
SelvesteSand 6 months ago
@starguard Thanks :-)
starguard 6 months ago
don't make sence...in the movies why did he bother telling Obi Wan that Dooku taught him to be a jedi when he must have already known lol the Starwars Universe has just gone to shit with all these cash cows lol
Gaz07 9 months ago
How many Jedis did Greivous killed? the answer is TOO many for recording!
TheWayne8698673 9 months ago 5
Programming>Spirit
Unit1138327 9 months ago
The clones are programmed...before they were clones, their DNA structures were modified and they were made more loyal...so they WERE programmed.
TheMajortoht 10 months ago 29
@TheMajortoht like Droids right?
TurKlack 4 months ago
@TurKlack Yeah, just smarter in combat.
TheMajortoht 4 months ago
Hey Obi-wan , hate to say it but .... The jedi killed the grievouses "fleshy" warriors ... So yeah .... Enough with the thrash talk =/
jommodagreat 10 months ago
YEAAA Qymaen jai Sheelal!!!!
koga9376 10 months ago 8
@lorytoon where are you from?
OptimusProwlGirl 11 months ago
why is grevious such a pussy now?
futbolusa 1 year ago
@Xlrwolf10 ikr! Who would u go for? Obi wan or Grievous? I'd go with grievous! Lol
Starwarsrap1 1 year ago
I would defently go with Grievous he my must faverite character in star wars the clone wars
animegirl101able 8 months ago
I mean grievous is my most favorite character in star wars the clones wars sorry for the mispelling
animegirl101able 8 months ago
@MattyJPGreg so true in that conversation! Lol
Starwarsrap1 1 year ago
Obi Wan is one to talk... leading a clone army programmed to followed him who ends up betraying the Jedi
SithAvenger 1 year ago 2
Grievous was one of the most awesome villains. Grievous has all the reason to hate the Jedi and the Republic, they were responsible for the suffering of his homeworld.
nagaking07 1 year ago 6
"The future! a future where there are NOOOO! jedi!"
EPIC!
M4levolence 1 year ago
an army with just programing huh? same as your army
xlrwolf10 1 year ago
@xlrwolf10 OH SNAP! Haha so true. xP
MattyJPGreg 1 year ago
@MattyJPGreg Its such a shame that there talents are waisted with the republic. Count Dooku could have used the clones for himself, kill the jedi, kill his master (not like he needs palpy any more), and took over the galaxie.
xlrwolf10 1 year ago
@xlrwolf10 Perhaps that's what he was planning to do? The Rule of Two states that the Apprentice must someday surpass the Master. Dooku was clearly planning to make Ventress powerful enough to replace him and then together they would overthrow Sidious; he later thought he'd continue this plot w/ Savage Opress. So maybe invading Kamino and retrieving the clone DNA was part of Dooku's own plot to best Sidious. But in all honesty, Dooku was a fool if he thought he could challenge Sidious anyway.
MattyJPGreg 1 year ago
@MattyJPGreg he dosnt need to challenge him. darth malek had his forces fire on his masters ship and palpatine killed his master in his sleep it dosnt need to be a duel to the death.
xlrwolf10 1 year ago
@xlrwolf10 I didn't necessarily mean challenge as in to a duel. Dooku could use a similar slimy cowardly tactic but Sidious has been confirmed by a few Lucasfilm sources to be the most powerful Sith Lord in the history of the galaxy and he can see EVERYTHING, I doubt Dooku could do something sneaky like that so easily. But if Dooku would rather be more direct (which I think he would), he'd likely fail.
MattyJPGreg 1 year ago
@MattyJPGreg He didnt see vader killing him comming
xlrwolf10 1 year ago
@xlrwolf10 Yes, at the end of his life in a twist of fate that nobody could've seen coming. Vader had been buried for so long and him turning on him right then and there wouldn't have been expected. But Vader didn't kill him, because his spirit escaped the destruction of his body.
MattyJPGreg 1 year ago
@MattyJPGreg good point but he died agein years later and never returned. he died 3 times if I remember right
xlrwolf10 1 year ago
@xlrwolf10 I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him still being alive, if he truly made his soul immortal. He just never found the secret of immortality in the material body. The other times he "died" he transported his spirit to a new body so it don't count. Ok I exaggerate, he's MOSTLY psychic and saw 98% of happenings in the universe, how else'd he orchestrate EVERYTHING revolving around the Clone Wars before between and long after? There were small things he just didn't see, though.
MattyJPGreg 1 year ago
@MattyJPGreg good point
xlrwolf10 1 year ago
@MattyJPGreg @MattyJPGreg His secret identity was also endangered multiple times, and most of the times he was saved from pure luck. So yes, he was powerful, and yes, he was a tactical genius, but he was also lucky, and he didn't orchestrate EVERYTHING. :b
He was probably a little psychic, like many other Force users, but as I understand it, that was not his strongest ability, like with Oppo Rancisis, or Yoda. ^^
SelvesteSand 5 months ago
@MattyJPGreg Darth Sidious din't obey the Rule of Two. Sometimes he had more than one apprentice, and he let his apprentice, Darth Tyranus, have several apprentices (the Dark Acolytes). There were many other than Ventress and Opress. ;)
He was not really psychic - as far as I know, he did not even master Force battle meditation. He was simply a brilliant stragegist, and lucky that his plans worked. And about the immortality, Empatojayos Brand held Palpatines spirit within him when he died. ^^
SelvesteSand 6 months ago
@SelvesteSand I know, the Dark Acolytes, but that's why they were called acolytes not apprentices; Dooku might have thought of Ventress as his unofficial apprentice, but Sidious saw her more as his assassin, which is why she is more often referred to as an assassin or agent, not usually apprentice. Sooo, to both of them, they never saw these extra guys as a violation of the ROT 'cuz they were unofficial. And nah, I'm pretty sure you're underestimating Sidious but hey, to each his/her own.
MattyJPGreg 6 months ago
@MattyJPGreg I've been reading more about it (on Wookieepedia), and I must admit I was wrong. Darth Sidious never had more than one Sith Apprentice at a time, though he, at some occasions, had more than one Dark Jedi apprentice. He did not teach "the extras" the way of the Sith.
Darth Tyranus also respected the rule of two, and thus had no Sith apprentice, yet he may very likely have tought Asajj Ventress a few things about the Sith, possibly planning to overthrow Sidious and make her a Sith.
SelvesteSand 5 months ago
@MattyJPGreg I know that Darth Sidious is strong with the Force, actually one of the most powerful Sith ever. But many things happened, that he did not expect - even some things that he did not want to happen. For example did he try to have Obi-Wan Kenobi killed several times - both Tyranus, Grievous, Ventress and other assasins were given that task on multiple occasions. And there was several Republic victories in the Clone Wars which were way too big, where he had planned a seperatist victory.
SelvesteSand 5 months ago
@SelvesteSand And also, the more this series unfolds, the more I just think it's disregarding the comics and novels (maybe not ALL of them but the majority of them in the CW era) completely like a retcon. Unfortunately since George rarely gives us his word on anything outside of the movies there's no way to tell that for sure.
MattyJPGreg 6 months ago
@MattyJPGreg Lucas is too busy counting his money for any artistic integrity
nohomers100 6 months ago
@MattyJPGreg I have, myself, not noticed many inconsistencies between this series and previous Star Wars canon. But i hate how they suddely had Even Piell'd death changed - originally he survived the Clone Wars, and survived the Great Jedi Purge for two weeks. That was in a novel. And it was one of the coolest Star Wars death scenes ever. I don't like his new Clone Wars death. :/
SelvesteSand 5 months ago
@SelvesteSand Dark Jedi are not Sith,, Sidious and Dooku, were the true Sith Lords, hence why Ventress or Tan Severance were not referred to as Darth .
MATTHEW39694 5 months ago
@MATTHEW39694 You are right that Dark Jedi are not necessarily Sith. The term Dark Jedi indicates one to be a Jedi fallen to the dark side. Neither Asajj Ventress or Sev'rance Tann were ever Jedi, though. But yes, they were just acolytes of Dooku (Ventress received some Sith training, though, but no, she wasn't really a Sith apprentice).
Many Sith did not bear the title of Darth, including some of the greatest Sith ever, like Freedon Nadd, Naga Sadow and Exar Kun. ;)
SelvesteSand 5 months ago
grevous is a caward he always runs away
MrClone55 1 year ago
okaay grievous's only motivation....KILL ALL JEDI!!
THEFALLEN093 1 year ago 2
Oh the suspense!
Wait- oh yeah I know what happens to both of them
r2griff2 1 year ago
i remember when grievous use to spin like a top.
Saseav 1 year ago
obi wan is very active in this scene usually he is mellow
edyoung44 1 year ago
what episode
MrHeno97 1 year ago
oh my bad! i had the volume muted! :D LOL!
legojosh316 1 year ago
theres no volume. and i agree with everone else. general grievous rocks! die obi-wan! die! :D
legojosh316 1 year ago
Use the Force, Obi-Wan.
MagniRPetersen 1 year ago
He can't be Grievous without a monolouge, can he?
Shadowtamer16 1 year ago
PALPATINE'S BEHIND IT ALL
level22productions 1 year ago
grievous is my favorite star wars character eva
12AutoBot 1 year ago
Well, homer, the clones do have their own "heart and soul" they weren't programmed but trained to be soldiers, they simply don't know how to do anything else.
Scorpion107 1 year ago
Obi wan is one to talk..he leads an army of CLONES who have beenprogramed to follow any order.
homer912 1 year ago 80
@homer912 well not all clones follow orders. cut, slick and probably alot of other clones. clones have spirit to fight for what they believe in.
COGgear1000 1 year ago
@COGgear1000 I guess they all had the the spirti and the the belief to betray the Jedi
homer912 1 year ago
snce when are people programmed
haloluver123 1 year ago
@haloluver123 they said they were in Attack of the Clones.
homer912 1 year ago
@homer912
No the clone army wasn't programmed to follow any order.. they were trained to follow any order and had some free will to show emotion. That's something the droid army don't have.
RobotsGreatWar2 1 year ago
@RobotsGreatWar2 I'm pretty sure the Kaminoan said they were programmed. Any way it is still a little wacked to take the moral high ground with an army of disposable people that can be easily replaced.
nohomers100 1 year ago
@nohomers100 They weren't truly "programmed". Jango Fett's genes were modified during the cloning process to make the clones MORE obedient and loyal than they'd have been unaltered, but they were still humans with the capability to develop distinct personalities and traits and to make choices. The modifications were not absolute-it can never be with humans. They had the "spirit and soul" Obi-Wan is talking about, which made them distinct from droids(and also more effective).
Futuregohan14 11 months ago
@nohomers100 It should also be noted that not all clones were modified-an elite few (ARCs, basically special forces) went unmodified. Their interaction with standard clones shows the extent of choice clones generally had. Many ordinary clones learned from ARC troopers and became more independent and innovative. Some were even promoted and made ARCs.
You don't find this level of variation among droids, so it is fair to say that Obi-Wan, while still a little hypocritical, has a point.
Futuregohan14 11 months ago
@Futuregohan14 They are still disposable humans that are bred to fight. I think that is unbelievably unethical for the supposedly morally superior Jedi. Redlettermedia brought up a good point in his Sith review and that was the Jedi Council never had to worry about how many widows or how many fatherless kids there would be because of the war.
nohomers100 11 months ago
@nohomers100 That's true, those are all fair points.
Futuregohan14 11 months ago
@RobotsGreatWar2 Also if you check out the book Dark Lord, Rise of Darth Vader. the clones frequently refer to their programming.
nohomers100 1 year ago
@homer912 true but they have spirit have heart and well some times they are given choices to disobey the orders
pokemonlova99 11 months ago
@homer912 and the main order is order 66
OptimusProwlGirl 11 months ago
@homer912 Actaully they arent exactly programed, yes they are born to be loyal to the jedi but they have free will and feelings unlike the droids.
killer21334 10 months ago 13
@killer21334 I think george lucas didn't even think this deep about it xd
martinstroetinga 5 months ago
@killer21334 They were born to be loyal to the "chancelor of the galactic republic, defender of peace, equality, good and freedom"
Zanator1 4 months ago
@killer21334 They are bred to be loyal to The Chancellor, nobody else.
Kennyboy0077 4 months ago
@Kennyboy0077 yes several people already said that...
killer21334 4 months ago
@killer21334 they are born to be loyal but have free will? you dont see how this is a contradiction?
nohomers100 1 month ago
@nohomers100 What I meant was that they are born to be loyal to the jedi but other than that they have free will, also I doubt that they are born brainwashed to be loyal because there are certain parts in the animated Star Wars where there are clones which have deffected for their own pourposes
killer21334 1 month ago
@killer21334 yeah free will doesnt work like that. Imagine if some country in the real world did that. Genetically altered children to be loyal to the country but were otherwise free to do what they wanted. That wouldnt fly. and its kinda stupid when you have the morally superior jedi, an order dedicated to wisdom and justice using an army of genetically altered disposable humans. Its almost like Lucas didnt really think this through...
nohomers100 1 month ago
@nohomers100 almost? More like not at all. It seems morally reprehensible when you really think about it. Clones and droids should have been what the anti-republic forces should have used while the Republic became more militaristic in dealing with this threat
RoninDave 1 month ago
@RoninDave exactly. When the clone wars were first mentioned in Star Wars that's what I assumed. That the clones would be the bad guys
nohomers100 1 month ago
@killer21334 And when they go and do there own thing they are called defective
nohomers100 1 month ago
@nohomers100 I think it just meant they the defected from the army which by the way is illegal in the modern world
killer21334 1 month ago
@killer21334 That's a pretty big stretch to compare going awol in the real world to a clone who was born into servitude who decides he doesnt want to fight in the army he never asked to join.
nohomers100 1 month ago
@homer912 Including Order 66 :)
starwarsfan196 10 months ago 6
@homer912 they weren't programmed, they were breed to follow orders.
RandomFriends602 8 months ago
@RandomFriends602 Oh that is much better
nohomers100 8 months ago
@homer912 True, but they can still think independently and do their own thing (as we've already seen at least one do, and we know many don't follow order 66). They can also be human. They have a will to live above that of just following orders, so while it may not be exactly the same, he's still in charge of people, not computers. Most importantly though, he never said he was proud of it- Grevious is saying it as his life's achievement. The Jedi are in it for peace, not power.
chaimss 8 months ago 3
@homer912 He doesnt know that, remember?
WhiteTiger225 8 months ago
@WhiteTiger225 yeah he does. That alien chick told them that they had been modified to be obediant and to follow any order when he found Kamino
nohomers100 8 months ago
@homer912 well, that's not entirely true. While the clones do obey any order, that doesn't make them totally mindless. They are able to think and act independently. They were born and raised soldiers, it's really not so much that their 'programmed' to obey, it's more like they are born and trained to. Order 66 wasn't some reprogramming button, it was a failsafe in case of a corrupt/defective leader.
Gyarretto7 7 months ago 16
@homer912 the clones aren't programmed, just trained, and Obi-wan doesn't want to rule the universe or eliminate the Jedi, just keep the peace by ending the Separatist threat
theintellectualbadas 7 months ago 2
@homer912 killer21334 is right. Not about the Jedi part, though: They are loyal to the republic. Yes, homer912, the clones are programmed with a sort of desire to follow their masters's orders, but that desire may be outrun by greater desires, and they do have a free will. It has occured that clones have deserted the army, or even betrayed the republic. Therefore, when they are loyal, it is true loyalty, unlike the "loyalty" of the the dorids.
SelvesteSand 6 months ago
Come to think of it, Grievous is the only character in the show that remains as interesting as he was in the movies.
GigaSpinoTrex 1 year ago
i can barely remember but darth taranus convinced grevious to join there dark side.(or something like that) and then taranus made grevious's shuttle crash. he poisined grevious's mind by saying the Jedi did that to him. they had to put him in that suit so thats why when ever u see Grevious he is always saying how much he hates the jedi
Spartan312Kickass 1 year ago
i love this show, but it annoys me sometimes because the actual beams of the lgihtsabers are too skinny
indyfan29 1 year ago
My favorite episode!
ConcreteSurfer420 1 year ago
i wanna be grievous ! =)
Pajijic 1 year ago
I always liked the idea that Obi Wans first meeting with Grievous was in episode three
Gigan1960s 1 year ago
one thing i dont get is where he keeps his sabers,its like grievous takes them out of thin air cause their not visible on him at all
9012Ironhide 1 year ago 8
@9012Ironhide
To be fair, he keeps most of them in his cape, however the scenes where he has no cape...laziness on the animator's part. Either that or he can reach into pocket dimensions. XD
RabidLocust0 1 year ago
hate retcons in star wars ;/
Buli0n 1 year ago
He's less sloppy with his lightsabers.
grievace 1 year ago
Man Grevious is gay in this and in the 3rd movie
Shoulda seen him in the cartoon TOTAL BADASS
KickenItOldSchool 1 year ago
I wonder why obi-wan was so suprised in the 3rd movie of grievous's arms... hummm..
grievace 1 year ago
@grievace
because this isnt canon thats why, this show and everyhing you see never happend in the movies. yet the movies are canon to this show, so im guessing Grevious will kill Obi right here and now, or will Obi kill Grevious on this show..no one knows....save millions that saw the movie.....that is why a fight like this isnt intresting, you know how it ends. a prequel is fine and all, but a good prequel tells you how a character got somewhere not have them redo a fight they cant win here
henkman00 1 year ago
@henkman00
Actuallt, I have this recorded. I could film it and upload it if you guys would like to see what happen after he knocked obi-wan down
grievace 1 year ago
...Why wasn't Grievous this awesome in the movie?
Nanaman12345 1 year ago
I remember when Grevious had no problems killing jedi.
civilwarfare101 1 year ago 120
@civilwarfare101 And then we all saw Revenge of the Sith and realized he was just like everyone else on the separatist side.
A saturday morning cartoon villain.
Emidretrauqe 6 months ago
Grievous is so amazing...he's the only character badass enough to prove he's badass without the Force.
DroidGeneralGrievous 1 year ago 5
This video is about 10 seconds too short... it stopped short of the Realistic part (ie, the part where Obi-Wan gets turned into diced meat giblets by Grievous). I don't care HOW good you are with a lightsaber and the force - it is Mathematically Impossible to block Four lightsabers coming from Four directions at once.
DelphanGruss 1 year ago
Kenobi such a noob i wuda used FORCE PUSH
FXThug 1 year ago
WTF? i thought the staff can is immune to light sabres? In other words it should not be able to be cut by lightsabers!
Saicofake 1 year ago
@Saicofake It's not immune, it's Resistant. And Grievous is a Tank - who struck it with four lightsabers at once in a hammering motion. I'd say that's a good enough reason as any to break.
DelphanGruss 1 year ago
@Saicofake eh who cares star wars is weird
321Angler 1 year ago
wow this is terrible.
gatchAttk 1 year ago
@SafeLadere09 Looks like we might ahve one soon, looking at Master Di on Ryloth.
P3WNAGE 1 year ago
greivous:Im no errand boy
dooku:errand boy,have you picked u my trusty assasin from her special mission that i didnt give you.
greivous:.......ugh on it
mrdbznarutofan1 1 year ago 2