God I hope that next years races are far worse and at least a hundred people are butchered when a couple of jets go straight in to those stands filled with fans and we'll get to see some uncensored reality, you know like the real thing by people ready to capture it!
I doubt that the pilot was the issue either. If a trim tab comes off one of those aircraft at those speeds, the forces on the control stick would be too much for any pilot to control. I would not have mattered if the pilot was 21 and a bodybuilder. The back-force on the stick would have been too much for anyone.
@senorspode the whole plane had nothing stock on it Nothing the metal was redone the cockpit everything but I heard that part of the tail came off but idk.
Look, the plane was a heavily modded WWII model... (from the info I've heard at least, please constructively correct me if I'm mistaken)
Something was bound to go wrong. Add the senior citizen pilot (just look at most any major study on reaction times) and as a rule it allows for smaller things to cause more catostrophic problems...
Can I add that no matter what the plane was made of, it effectively turned into a missile given how it hit? F=ma and it deccelerated FAST...
@WattDeChocobo Correct. It was a heavily-modified P-51 Mustang, which as a whole was not designed for the consistent G-forces and speeds encountered during these races. These planes aren't safe to race anymore; metallurgy changes over time, especially 60-70 years. Plus, as you said, pilots in their 70s who are questionable while driving, let alone pulling G at 500 mph 200 feet off the deck. Something has to change or we can expect more of this, unfortunately.
@SenorSpode Even with a modern plane that could theoretically take the G-forces involved, you'd have seen similar damage.
F=ma and the thing was going about 500mph (taking your number), and went from 500 to 0 pretty damned fast as it hit. 500mph to 0 in a fraction of a second means a MASSIVE accelleration...
Given the force it hit with, then, I'm not surprised the plane disintegrated and did so much damage...a modern plane may not have failed, but it would do comparable damage if it did
@WattDeChocobo I agree, but I'm talking about metallurgy between an older plane and a newer plane in regard to sustained flight under load, not impact. Granted, either plane will disintegrate into kibble on impact at those speeds; what I'm trying to imply is that in sustained flight under loads, the newer plane has far less risk of inflight mechanical failure and consequent crash compared to an older craft. You understand what I'm saying, right?
@SenorSpode I understand what you're saying :) I'm just sick and tired of the "it must be a conspiracy! there's no plane parts left!" people...I kinda just lumped my response to them that reply XD
Before even looking at materials, the elder plane's at a disadvantage due to wear/metal fatigue. Throw in materials advances and newer's better. The only disadvantage a newer plane might have is the sheer number of parts; there's more pieces to have fail. Here, though, the old plane'ss less safe.
@WattDeChocobo Oh, do I hear you well on that! I'm also nauseated on the Conspiracy Theorists sounding off on this. They say we can't see the pilot's head in a shot, the trim-tab was airbrushed out, it was Bush's fault, etc. Someone even showed me a pre-impact pic with Osama's picture pasted in the plane. Yeah, I understand 100% what you mean; it's sickening.
@SenorSpode Actually, if you look at the rebuilding/refurbishment process they did on that aircraft, virtually all the parts of the fuselage were new or completely refurbished leaving little if any of the metal the aircraft was originally built from. I think the flight surfaces, wings, tail and control surfaces were all new. They were certainly highly modified. I would be surprised if metal fatigue due to age played a huge role, but I could be wrong.
@SenorSpode You don't know what you're talking about. Do you really think there was one part on "The Ghost" that was an original part from WWII? Do you have anyclue how many times it has been rebuilt? Or how many planes it's actually been?
AND, the are PERFECTLY designed to go those speeds and pulls those G'S! This are the highliest modified and most advanced private aircraft in the world. THE ONLY THING that couldn't handle the G's that day was the pilot.
@corebare You know what you're talking about. When you replace more than 50% of the content of a hull (airframe), it no longer retains the original serial or BuNo assigned; it is essentially a different aircraft. There are guys building brand-new full-scale P-51s from scratch, are you aware of this? Why can't the racers use these new hulls? Oh, yeah...no charisma or charm. Oh, let's not forget: BETTER METALLURGY. I rest my case. Have A Nice Day.
You can't fly without a serial no. Swapping serials on Mustangs has been done for decades and it drives historians nuts. A new-build hull can have an original serial number and a "famous" serial number can give an airplane more provenance and a higher selling price. There are Mustangs flying today that are nearly 80-90% new-build.
2005: Great News! Leeward will bring back the "Ghost". N7911 will return to air racing as the "Galloping Ghost". 2006: The Ghost was not ready in time to race this year, looking forward to 2007
2007: Parts of the aircraft are all around the US trying to get finished in time for Reno. We sure hope they make it. I've seen plenty of parts in Dan Martin's hangar over the past several months.
2008: Restoration cont. unsure if it will make Reno 2008
Don't know what happened to your reply, anyway, I might be going crazy, but if you look at pictures of the Galloping ghost, specifically of those taken throughout its construction, you can see a carbon fiber fuselage. Its either that, or a solid piece of aluminum. The only thing that appears to be made out of aluminum is the nose section. I would love to know where you got the info, because all I can find is that its a heavily modified P51. I am just looking at pictures.
@HDaviator They wont let me post a link but I'd like to look at those photos since I haven't been able to find any and you may be right I was just going off the tail number history of the airplane how when it was first built its all aluminum. I just googled the tail number-
Plane was made of carbon fiber and polymer part mostly, only the engine housing usually has titanium and other parts must be steel. Some people reading this, will die in a similar way... a plane going down, must be the freakiest feeling ever.
So good thing this guy was white, am I right? Because if he was a Muslim the terrorist comments would be non stop. But of course he is white therefore that thought doesn't even cross anyones mind :) yay for our natural way of thinking
There wasn't an Airplane at all. It was a Missile. There is not a single piece of that plane around. The FBI planted some fake parts around, but it was a Missile from an inside job by Obama.
You saw Airplanes flying, and then an impact. But no plane. You never saw a plane crash. You saw, planes, and then an Impact. They insiders told you what to think.
What I meant to say is the it easier for plastic (Carbon Fiber) to disintegrate than it is for a metal like aluminum. In fact, composite propellers are superior in that respect to metal props, because in the event of a failure, they shatter rather than break apart. Also, I think you mean to say Materials science, because I don't remember reading much about the destructibility of materials in physics class.
What I meant to say is the it easier for plastic (Carbon Fiber) to disintegrate than it is for a metal like aluminum. In fact, composite propellers are superior in that respect to metal props, because in the event of a failure, they shatter rather than break apart. Also, I think you mean to say Materials science, because I don't remember reading much about the destructibility of materials in physics class.
@ginofrater there is nothing wrong with the air show concept or idea it's just that they keep green lighting these old planes for flight which don't have ejection seats
George Bush did this!
rickypliance 4 months ago
God I hope that next years races are far worse and at least a hundred people are butchered when a couple of jets go straight in to those stands filled with fans and we'll get to see some uncensored reality, you know like the real thing by people ready to capture it!
ChicaWolverina 4 months ago
I doubt that the pilot was the issue either. If a trim tab comes off one of those aircraft at those speeds, the forces on the control stick would be too much for any pilot to control. I would not have mattered if the pilot was 21 and a bodybuilder. The back-force on the stick would have been too much for anyone.
NLOCDirector2010 5 months ago
@senorspode the whole plane had nothing stock on it Nothing the metal was redone the cockpit everything but I heard that part of the tail came off but idk.
daffern2good 5 months ago
Look, the plane was a heavily modded WWII model... (from the info I've heard at least, please constructively correct me if I'm mistaken)
Something was bound to go wrong. Add the senior citizen pilot (just look at most any major study on reaction times) and as a rule it allows for smaller things to cause more catostrophic problems...
Can I add that no matter what the plane was made of, it effectively turned into a missile given how it hit? F=ma and it deccelerated FAST...
WattDeChocobo 5 months ago
@WattDeChocobo Correct. It was a heavily-modified P-51 Mustang, which as a whole was not designed for the consistent G-forces and speeds encountered during these races. These planes aren't safe to race anymore; metallurgy changes over time, especially 60-70 years. Plus, as you said, pilots in their 70s who are questionable while driving, let alone pulling G at 500 mph 200 feet off the deck. Something has to change or we can expect more of this, unfortunately.
SenorSpode 5 months ago
@SenorSpode Even with a modern plane that could theoretically take the G-forces involved, you'd have seen similar damage.
F=ma and the thing was going about 500mph (taking your number), and went from 500 to 0 pretty damned fast as it hit. 500mph to 0 in a fraction of a second means a MASSIVE accelleration...
Given the force it hit with, then, I'm not surprised the plane disintegrated and did so much damage...a modern plane may not have failed, but it would do comparable damage if it did
WattDeChocobo 5 months ago
@WattDeChocobo I agree, but I'm talking about metallurgy between an older plane and a newer plane in regard to sustained flight under load, not impact. Granted, either plane will disintegrate into kibble on impact at those speeds; what I'm trying to imply is that in sustained flight under loads, the newer plane has far less risk of inflight mechanical failure and consequent crash compared to an older craft. You understand what I'm saying, right?
SenorSpode 5 months ago
@SenorSpode I understand what you're saying :) I'm just sick and tired of the "it must be a conspiracy! there's no plane parts left!" people...I kinda just lumped my response to them that reply XD
Before even looking at materials, the elder plane's at a disadvantage due to wear/metal fatigue. Throw in materials advances and newer's better. The only disadvantage a newer plane might have is the sheer number of parts; there's more pieces to have fail. Here, though, the old plane'ss less safe.
WattDeChocobo 5 months ago
@WattDeChocobo Oh, do I hear you well on that! I'm also nauseated on the Conspiracy Theorists sounding off on this. They say we can't see the pilot's head in a shot, the trim-tab was airbrushed out, it was Bush's fault, etc. Someone even showed me a pre-impact pic with Osama's picture pasted in the plane. Yeah, I understand 100% what you mean; it's sickening.
SenorSpode 5 months ago
@SenorSpode Actually, if you look at the rebuilding/refurbishment process they did on that aircraft, virtually all the parts of the fuselage were new or completely refurbished leaving little if any of the metal the aircraft was originally built from. I think the flight surfaces, wings, tail and control surfaces were all new. They were certainly highly modified. I would be surprised if metal fatigue due to age played a huge role, but I could be wrong.
NLOCDirector2010 5 months ago
@SenorSpode You don't know what you're talking about. Do you really think there was one part on "The Ghost" that was an original part from WWII? Do you have anyclue how many times it has been rebuilt? Or how many planes it's actually been?
AND, the are PERFECTLY designed to go those speeds and pulls those G'S! This are the highliest modified and most advanced private aircraft in the world. THE ONLY THING that couldn't handle the G's that day was the pilot.
corebare 5 months ago
@corebare You know what you're talking about. When you replace more than 50% of the content of a hull (airframe), it no longer retains the original serial or BuNo assigned; it is essentially a different aircraft. There are guys building brand-new full-scale P-51s from scratch, are you aware of this? Why can't the racers use these new hulls? Oh, yeah...no charisma or charm. Oh, let's not forget: BETTER METALLURGY. I rest my case. Have A Nice Day.
SenorSpode 5 months ago
@SenorSpode
You can't fly without a serial no. Swapping serials on Mustangs has been done for decades and it drives historians nuts. A new-build hull can have an original serial number and a "famous" serial number can give an airplane more provenance and a higher selling price. There are Mustangs flying today that are nearly 80-90% new-build.
FiveCentsPlease 2 weeks ago
Intelextreme. You are a low person. Its a shame that you are breathing perfectly good air that should be used by someone else.
ErikJohnston 5 months ago 2
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That wasent an airplane that was superman falling from space getting hit by Kryptonite.
ValdemarDragunov 5 months ago
Hey intelxtreme get F of this post and have some respect
markit8dude1 5 months ago
2005: Great News! Leeward will bring back the "Ghost". N7911 will return to air racing as the "Galloping Ghost". 2006: The Ghost was not ready in time to race this year, looking forward to 2007
2007: Parts of the aircraft are all around the US trying to get finished in time for Reno. We sure hope they make it. I've seen plenty of parts in Dan Martin's hangar over the past several months.
2008: Restoration cont. unsure if it will make Reno 2008
markit8dude1 5 months ago
1949: NX7911, "Galloping Ghost", race # 77
1965: N79111, (Cliff Cummins) "Miss Candace", race #69
1971: rebuilt Long Beach
1981: (Wiley Sanders) "Jeannie", race #69
1983: "Spectre #X", (Jimmy Leeward)
1984: "Leeward Air Ranch Special" #44
markit8dude1 5 months ago
@markit8dude1 Great history. I have to ask, where did you get all this data? I'm curious.
rrhynes 5 months ago
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iam a very dangorous terrorist trained in afhganistan to kill white american scum
intelxtreme 5 months ago
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@intelxtreme Get a life, troll.
mjbab73 5 months ago
There are a lot of people saying that this was a composite aircraft it was not. Its mostly aluminum.
markit8dude1 5 months ago
@markit8dude1
Don't know what happened to your reply, anyway, I might be going crazy, but if you look at pictures of the Galloping ghost, specifically of those taken throughout its construction, you can see a carbon fiber fuselage. Its either that, or a solid piece of aluminum. The only thing that appears to be made out of aluminum is the nose section. I would love to know where you got the info, because all I can find is that its a heavily modified P51. I am just looking at pictures.
HDaviator 5 months ago
@HDaviator They wont let me post a link but I'd like to look at those photos since I haven't been able to find any and you may be right I was just going off the tail number history of the airplane how when it was first built its all aluminum. I just googled the tail number-
markit8dude1 5 months ago
THANKS FOR THE CORPORATE DICK IN MY ASS BEFORE WATCHING A TRAGEDY!!!
Bowa491 5 months ago
Plane was made of carbon fiber and polymer part mostly, only the engine housing usually has titanium and other parts must be steel. Some people reading this, will die in a similar way... a plane going down, must be the freakiest feeling ever.
LosAngelesWeedSmoker 5 months ago
4firearms is a dumbass. Obama has better things to do (like fix the economy) than stage an air race crash...
Marine4Life51 5 months ago
They keep these grounds very dirty.
trillaz1 5 months ago
This was NOT an Airplane crash. Airplane crashes leave Airplane parts.
This was clearly a Missile and an Inside Job by Obama.
4Firearms 5 months ago
this was an air race, not an air show, get it right
JogBird 5 months ago
@JogBird It was an Airshow with a staged Air Race. Get it right.
4Firearms 5 months ago
So good thing this guy was white, am I right? Because if he was a Muslim the terrorist comments would be non stop. But of course he is white therefore that thought doesn't even cross anyones mind :) yay for our natural way of thinking
alcapownage44 5 months ago
@alcapownage44
There wasn't an Airplane at all. It was a Missile. There is not a single piece of that plane around. The FBI planted some fake parts around, but it was a Missile from an inside job by Obama.
You saw Airplanes flying, and then an impact. But no plane. You never saw a plane crash. You saw, planes, and then an Impact. They insiders told you what to think.
It was a Missile
4Firearms 5 months ago
@4Firearms
The airplane was made out of plastic. Plastic disintegrates, metal does not.
HDaviator 5 months ago
@HDaviator Wow how little you know about physics
markit8dude1 5 months ago
@markit8dude1
What I meant to say is the it easier for plastic (Carbon Fiber) to disintegrate than it is for a metal like aluminum. In fact, composite propellers are superior in that respect to metal props, because in the event of a failure, they shatter rather than break apart. Also, I think you mean to say Materials science, because I don't remember reading much about the destructibility of materials in physics class.
HDaviator 5 months ago
@markit8dude1
What I meant to say is the it easier for plastic (Carbon Fiber) to disintegrate than it is for a metal like aluminum. In fact, composite propellers are superior in that respect to metal props, because in the event of a failure, they shatter rather than break apart. Also, I think you mean to say Materials science, because I don't remember reading much about the destructibility of materials in physics class.
HDaviator 5 months ago
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markit8dude1 5 months ago
don't go to airshows........
sethzky77 5 months ago
Should regulate the age to participate in air shows. This pilot was 74...
wildchildpr 5 months ago
damn.
cornsnakedk 5 months ago
what is ths? are those red tarps bodies? is this some sort of photo op? what?
JFAINTER88 5 months ago
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JamesWorley 5 months ago
@JFAINTER88 Those Red Tarps appear to have been part of the canopys that were set up for people to sit underneath.
JamesWorley 5 months ago
wow, nice vid AP, you just wasted more server space on the web
DiamondChrome42 5 months ago
@ginofrater there is nothing wrong with the air show concept or idea it's just that they keep green lighting these old planes for flight which don't have ejection seats
lilice1907 5 months ago
@lilice1907
Actually, almost no civilian planes have ejection seats. Should they all be prevented from being flown?
sablatnic 5 months ago
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The air show has to go.....why keeping killing people every year at list one is dead.???.
Lets find another way to make MONEY, Rino Nevada.
ginofrater 5 months ago
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ginofrater 5 months ago
fuck mayweather
XBOXMANOR360 5 months ago
@XBOXMANOR360 true story
808CAboiz 5 months ago