@topseyasha Are you a service user who bears the label "schizo"? Or are you just a worker who has never experienced that stigma? if so you have no idea. I am angry they represented me this way when they knew me and could have at least consulted me. I watched the film. Very much so. Did you? I wonder what your "patients" say to each other when you are not there!
I love this video. It's hilarious!! I must've watched it dozens of times. I crease up every time when Stuart says "Hi there, I'm sorry to disappoint you if you were expecting a lunatic with a knife on some sort of rampage". I'd like to see a film producer base a real movie on the advert, where the door opens and Stuart *is* a lunatic with a knife on some sort of rampage! After all, the black and white sequence at the start is too good to waste on a paltry advert.
I saw this at the cinema for the first time today. I loved it! I hate discrimination of all kinds and mental illness is one of the types people can get away with most freely. I'm so happy something is happening about it.
Did this cheap trick achieve anything, I wonder? I caused offense to people have the misfortune to bear the schizo label, but what good did spending all that money actually do?
"Mental illness is a metaphor (metaphorical disease). The word "disease" denotes a demonstrable biological process that affects the bodies of living organisms (plants, animals, and humans). The term "mental illness" refers to the undesirable thoughts, feelings, and behaviors of persons. ... The classification of (mis)behavior as illness provides an ideological justification for state-sponsored social control as medical treatment." -- Thomas Szasz
The new TV Drama "Crash" is a good example of Media attitudes. The schizophrenic man killed the young doctor in an unprovoked attack! Just more ignorance on the part of the BBC.
This campaign is really needed. It needs more focus though. Did they plan where to go with this movie or afterwards I wonder?
How did you expect it to go viral? Did you do all the things people normally do to cause that to happen? I suspect it seemed like a good idea bit there seems to have been no long term plan.
In 2000 I suggested in my contribution to the book 'Mad Pride: A Celebration of Mad Culture" that 'social inclusion' is not a way forward for survivors of the mental health system and I maintain this viewpoint. For some of us the road to healing lies in actively embracing stigma, embracing outsiderdom and setting ourselves in opposition to a society much sicker than most of us schizos. I was very glad to see critical comments on this campaign's videos. All Power to the Patients' Councils!
It is Time To Change. But my problem is although I agree with its princepals. I have suffered more discrimination and stigma from The CMHT than society as a whole. And ignorance to my illness. I also have a problem with MIND in my case who are involved with this campaign. BUT then thats what make it more true and needed.
I have not been to Israel for a while. You know nothing about my present mental state either. People are important to me. that's why I care about the discrimination they suffer. You need to get out there and see it for yourself.
As for evidence, there is plenty where my faith is concerned. Now that really is something that would be more relevant in another forum!
I dont need to get ' out there ' and do anything I'm already in there taking legal action against a state body for disability discrimination .
look objectively at where we are with this project , we've strayed from the concept of 'user led' to a place where wealthy and compromised charity business executives in London agree campaigns with Govt officials and funders on our behalf and appoint a panel of psychiatrists to evaluate and validate them.
Me? I am User for over 30 years. I've seen the narrow clique of middle class Users hijack the charities stack up "stigma" research because of their own problems and generalise it out to the exclusion of another better vision of wider choices in MH. Rethink and MInd have stacked the image cards to make their version of a future that only a few middle class people will really enjoy - look at the video its not typical of Users I know - its aimed and Mr and Ms Middle class.
The videos were a mistake. I never supported them and like everyone else they were sprung on me unannounced on Sunday midnight. I have made my feelings known that service users were left out nof the loop. We could have told them a much better use fr the money than this!
Yeah like the Mind centre workers in Evesham at the Oats Rd Centre who are fighting closure or the ones in Norwich whose centre folded. National Mind in London is wasting £20 million on this nonsense while Mind workers and services users go to the walls. Hard working service user focused Mind workers can help fight stigma and discrimination by ousting the self serving London centric Mind Leadership and really democratising the charity so all are supported not just the trendy few.
I've linked this to 3 of my friends who are schitzophrenic and they have said that they understand the public's right to fear some element of disturbed peoples lives because of killings. No problem . They believe the most potent UK problem is Gov't followed by the Rethink and MInd with their new welfare to work regime mindedness and pushing crap CBT at people (even schitzophrenics !) that is shown to be limited . People want choices and not Govt and Charity dominion propaganda films
I know someone with scizophrenia who is scared to go out now because he is afraid the public will have seen the videos and that "schizos" as freaks will be uppermost in their minds.
we cant really stop people with MH issues fretting over being discriminated against what we can do is try to help them keep it in proportion
Time to Change is DELIBERATELY DISTORTING how the public view us to get themselves funded - £20 million here.The public are not the problem! most discrimination is from/kept in place by the Gov't
TTC are working hand in hand with the DWP to get people off benefits its not a civil rights campaign at all its bullying by MH orgs in league with the State
The only distortion I can see is your blissful lack of awareness of what MH service users experience on a daily basis. Not just from services, but from the community, family, church, employers, potential employers, shops, police, friends, nand so on. Many lose their homes and family when they become ill, many lose friends. People often can't get accommodation, insurance, loans etc. Are you a MH service user? If so, you have been very lucky not to experience this.
How does these videos improve the nations wellbeing?
If service providers and the Institute of Psychiatry have received £20 million funding for the Time to Change campaign there needs to be a lot more transparency than this
How much did these two short films cost?
How are people with MH issues unconnected to the service providers behind this campaign being allowed to manage and evaluate its direction , worth and impact as most of the service user posts to date have been critical.
This film is not made in social or policy isolation its part of cleverly planned skewed way to look a bit "street" when in fact its managed by UK MH Charities with conflicts of interests who need to convince everyone that the public and even employers are the problems . They are not, the State is with its impoverished DIY approaches to recovery and community lock down ( look at the CTO rates ) . The Charities support that - they are provisioners of the same themes and are grant hungry.
Chava etc. - this is exactly the place for debate - in the free world . One claim was the MH Charity UK NIMHE (now defunct) cost £ 100 million over the years of its life . It certainly did . I've seen the Dept of Health generated answer from an FOI . Another claim is the charities are networkers in a top down way with Govt welfare aims which are alarming Users lives . The public are far less flawed than the Govt and the MH charities with their "work is recovery" skewed message.
Time to Change is Englands most ambitious programme to end the discrimination faced by people with mental health problems, and improve the nations wellbeing.
Mind and Rethink are leading the programme, funded with £16m from the Big Lottery Fund and £4m from Comic Relief, and evaluated by the Institute of Psychiatry at Kings College, London.
Thanks for all your comments on the online videos.
If you would like to have a discussion with other online users that are not related to the videos themselves, please start a discussion topic in on of the many online discussion forums across the internet.
The service provider led and Institute of Psychiatry (IOS) evaluated Time to Change project has received £18 million in funding.
Thats a lot of cash!
How much of this money was spent producing these two short films and since you are talking about evidence what steps have been taken to ensure that Professor Grapham Thornicroft and his team at the IOS are objectively evaluating this costly project when its run by people he has been networking outcomes with behind closed doors for years?
"Open debate is needed. You are so right. But Youtube is not the right place"
Huh? You defend a top down £18 million project speareheaded by service providers and the institute of psychiatry thats supposedly about changing public attitudes towards people with MH issues then you chastise people with mh issues for trying to have an open debate here and implore them to let the professionals use this free open source resource to broadcast their message and invite us to chat in private. that's mad
If we do not take up any more space here others can tell them what they think of the movies, which, incidentally, I do not defend I think they are misguided and offensive.
I do not defend the project either. Much has been said here with no evidence offered to support it. Discuss this on an open forum with supporting evidence and we shall see where it leads.
This is YouTube as open a forum as its possible to get its not a closed mental health ward so please stop trying to deter critics from posting.
We arent preventing others posting , few people are watching the movies.
Now how much of the £18 million pound Time to Change funding was spent on these two films while TTC charities Rethink and Mind were closing centres people in worst shape than the guy in the movie were dependent upon and wanted kept open?
Mind and Rethink are closing services as part of a DWP /DoH driven Modernisation campaign ordinary service users are resisting. The closures are nothing to do with money, Mind and Rethink are projecting a networked ideology at their service users to move into other areas of service provision funded by Government such as training and work schemes. The goal seems to be to bully disabled people off benefits .
There is disability discrimination but it is being over played . There does need to be an open debate about this but Chava your preachy ' Where's the evidence ?' approach is grating as you are clearly very closely alligned to the charities involved and I can see from the Norwich Mind info that critics are providing evidence for others to consider that you are simply ignoring. You seem bent on slapping down dissenters rather than making a convincing case yourself.
Yes, bit with no evidence presented, just unsubstantiated allegations how can anyone evaluate what they say? if they are going to fight what they believe is happening with no evidenve they will fail. It may grate with you, but it is necessary if anyone wants to change anything.
There is nothing preachy about asking for evidence. It is preachy to keep repeating things and not being prepared to back them up.
What they say may be true. I don't know. But without evidence they cannot win.
As for discrimination being overplayed, you should not make such sweeping statements. Many of us have experienced it over and over. We know from bitter experience it is if anything underplayed. That is what prompted me to fight for a better deal for everyone.
Open debate is needed. You are so right. But Youtube is not the right place. I am thinking of setting up a forum would you be prepared to co moderate something like that? PM me if you are interested.
I do not speak for either Mind or Rethink.Many charities have to close down work when specific finding for specific projects comes to an end.Funding from statutory and private organisations comes with strings attached and must be used in the way they say.They cannot use TTC money for day centres It would be withdrawn.That may not be what we want, but that's the world we live in.Funders say what we will fund and we design projects to further our aims that fit their criteria or do nothing at all.
Where is your evidence for any of your allegations? I am willing to consider it if you can provide any. I cannot understand why you do not do so if what you say is so obvious.
Are you doing anything to improve matters other than accuse everyone in sight?
Surely, it should never happen. Strong, fit people jumping on sick people they are supposed to be caring for, injuring them and scaring them so that they will never trust services again.
Have you ever considered what it is like to be on the receiving end of such an "attack"?
The video was pretty much aimed at a comfortable looking view of being schizophrenic in the community whereas the truth for many is lousy run down UK services and an overuse of compulsory drugging using Community Treatment Orders (running at 3 times the expected rate in the first year of operation) . Time to Change this skewed version of services are implied as good and rosy and that Charities know best. They do when it comes to getting grants for propaganda it appears .
The outcome for many people with schizophrenia is much better than most people believe. This is what they are trying to show although I don't believe this is the right way to do it. I have many friends and, some family,with schizophrenia, and in almost all cases their experience is similar to the man in the film.
This is not skewed at all. It is meant to show there is hope and we are not all mad axemen.
I think you should spend time on a ward to see how they are run nowadays. I can only speak for the wards and services I have worked on and they're mostly positive even though funds are stretched and services can't provide all that is needed which is a shame, however I have never experienced a ward to be like a prison. There are vulnerable in hospitals and there needs to be some sort of security.
Do you want to go back to locking people up? The real problems as we experience them daily are caused by public prejudice. It was precisely that that was behind the government changing mental health law making life more difficult for many people who just want to lead a quiet life.
I do not agree with everything they are doing, but good work is being done by Service Users using some of this money to fight stigma and injustice.
Staff are not afraid to mix with service users. Have you visited any TTC projects?They were on the front line in Sheffield's sofa event.Many staff working with TTC, Mind and Rethink have experience of mental health problems
Your name suggests you want truth Please check your facts before you say anything else about people I know and work with.
Is it just jealousy then? did you apply for lotto money for a campaign and not get any? I don't get any money, but that does not make me bitter towards people who do and cared enough to put tremendous effort into writing a bid good enough to beat the competition. The were not just given it and it was not government money. Visit TTC website and find out who the funders are. They are not easy to get money from, many out there will confirm that.
The point of the advert was to challenge one aspect of mental health stigma. One aspect to encourage debate and challenge the view that schizophrenia is frightening. I think it did it very well.
Very good. I'm a student nurse and have met a lot of people with schizophrenia who have to deal with the stigma of being labelled with this alarming word. It is a scary word to some people. My family whom I would consider very liberal were worried about me working in mental health because the stigma is everywhere. This video makes a good point.
I think you are angry and it wouldn't matter what the content of this film was actually.It's almost as if you hadn't seen the film. I think you would be surprised at what the patients I work with feel or think.
This seems to me to be a cheap trick to play. What image are you putting out? What other discriminated against minority would be used in this way? If you tried such a stunt about race or gay people you would be accused of discrimination,and rightly so. Why do you think it is different when you portray mental health service users in this way?
i think it's great that you didn't associate mental health problems with fear and disgust. but sadly a lot of people do. test your theory and send the video to a couple of friends and see what they think.
sometimes just talking about what people think is helpful...
Go ahead and pride yourself on being "educated" if you get a kick out of being snobby, but lots of ordinary people _are_ scared of mentally ill persons.
A lot of people sadly do associate mental illness with fear and disgust sadly. However, I'm sure you would have realised that anyway due to your intelligence.
@topseyasha Are you a service user who bears the label "schizo"? Or are you just a worker who has never experienced that stigma? if so you have no idea. I am angry they represented me this way when they knew me and could have at least consulted me. I watched the film. Very much so. Did you? I wonder what your "patients" say to each other when you are not there!
chava2uk 1 year ago
I love this video. It's hilarious!! I must've watched it dozens of times. I crease up every time when Stuart says "Hi there, I'm sorry to disappoint you if you were expecting a lunatic with a knife on some sort of rampage". I'd like to see a film producer base a real movie on the advert, where the door opens and Stuart *is* a lunatic with a knife on some sort of rampage! After all, the black and white sequence at the start is too good to waste on a paltry advert.
zerotime2012 1 year ago
I'm mentally ill, but what are you gonna do?
borgduck 1 year ago
Yeah, this got me at the cinema, I was just getting all high horse to my companion about how inappropriate it is to call a horror film 'schizo'...
ojb500 1 year ago
I saw this at the cinema for the first time today. I loved it! I hate discrimination of all kinds and mental illness is one of the types people can get away with most freely. I'm so happy something is happening about it.
happyflea 1 year ago
Did this cheap trick achieve anything, I wonder? I caused offense to people have the misfortune to bear the schizo label, but what good did spending all that money actually do?
chava2uk 2 years ago
they are going to try it in cinemas now! What next?
chava2uk 1 year ago
"Mental illness is a metaphor (metaphorical disease). The word "disease" denotes a demonstrable biological process that affects the bodies of living organisms (plants, animals, and humans). The term "mental illness" refers to the undesirable thoughts, feelings, and behaviors of persons. ... The classification of (mis)behavior as illness provides an ideological justification for state-sponsored social control as medical treatment." -- Thomas Szasz
upsidown13 2 years ago
@upsidown13 Then what about the nurological structure differences in the vast majority of those diagnoised with mental illlnes then?
happyflea 1 year ago
FRIGGIN AMAZING!!!!
Theaterdancechic 2 years ago
I love this film-- brilliant, quick and simple message!
hannahfreya 2 years ago
The new TV Drama "Crash" is a good example of Media attitudes. The schizophrenic man killed the young doctor in an unprovoked attack! Just more ignorance on the part of the BBC.
This campaign is really needed. It needs more focus though. Did they plan where to go with this movie or afterwards I wonder?
How did you expect it to go viral? Did you do all the things people normally do to cause that to happen? I suspect it seemed like a good idea bit there seems to have been no long term plan.
chava2uk 2 years ago 3
In 2000 I suggested in my contribution to the book 'Mad Pride: A Celebration of Mad Culture" that 'social inclusion' is not a way forward for survivors of the mental health system and I maintain this viewpoint. For some of us the road to healing lies in actively embracing stigma, embracing outsiderdom and setting ourselves in opposition to a society much sicker than most of us schizos. I was very glad to see critical comments on this campaign's videos. All Power to the Patients' Councils!
detectiveinstinct 2 years ago
It is Time To Change. But my problem is although I agree with its princepals. I have suffered more discrimination and stigma from The CMHT than society as a whole. And ignorance to my illness. I also have a problem with MIND in my case who are involved with this campaign. BUT then thats what make it more true and needed.
John
Bsafe1stalways 2 years ago
The people I work with and worked with in MH were definitely not middle class. The discrimination they face is dreadful.
Do you really believe the public likes us when you see what apprears in the paper when the system lets a service user down?
It is that fear of us that prompts them to push for laws to lock us up!
chava2uk 2 years ago
I have not been to Israel for a while. You know nothing about my present mental state either. People are important to me. that's why I care about the discrimination they suffer. You need to get out there and see it for yourself.
As for evidence, there is plenty where my faith is concerned. Now that really is something that would be more relevant in another forum!
chava2uk 2 years ago
I dont need to get ' out there ' and do anything I'm already in there taking legal action against a state body for disability discrimination .
look objectively at where we are with this project , we've strayed from the concept of 'user led' to a place where wealthy and compromised charity business executives in London agree campaigns with Govt officials and funders on our behalf and appoint a panel of psychiatrists to evaluate and validate them.
your trust in these people has been betrayed
desikinlalaland 2 years ago
Me? I am User for over 30 years. I've seen the narrow clique of middle class Users hijack the charities stack up "stigma" research because of their own problems and generalise it out to the exclusion of another better vision of wider choices in MH. Rethink and MInd have stacked the image cards to make their version of a future that only a few middle class people will really enjoy - look at the video its not typical of Users I know - its aimed and Mr and Ms Middle class.
SilvisRiversTWO 2 years ago 2
The videos were a mistake. I never supported them and like everyone else they were sprung on me unannounced on Sunday midnight. I have made my feelings known that service users were left out nof the loop. We could have told them a much better use fr the money than this!
chava2uk 2 years ago
I totally agree Chava .
desikinlalaland 2 years ago
Perhaps you should read some of the articles written by MIND workers about this DLA scandal before you accuse them so rashly.
chava2uk 2 years ago
Yeah like the Mind centre workers in Evesham at the Oats Rd Centre who are fighting closure or the ones in Norwich whose centre folded. National Mind in London is wasting £20 million on this nonsense while Mind workers and services users go to the walls. Hard working service user focused Mind workers can help fight stigma and discrimination by ousting the self serving London centric Mind Leadership and really democratising the charity so all are supported not just the trendy few.
desikinlalaland 2 years ago
SilvisRiversTwo, Why does anyone have the right to fear people because of a label? The vast majority of people with schizophrenia are not dangerous.
Statistics show we are more likely to be hurt by someone considered sane, does that justify being afraid of all normal people?
What experience do you have of MH problems? Why do you assume people with MH problems don't want to work?
chava2uk 2 years ago
I've linked this to 3 of my friends who are schitzophrenic and they have said that they understand the public's right to fear some element of disturbed peoples lives because of killings. No problem . They believe the most potent UK problem is Gov't followed by the Rethink and MInd with their new welfare to work regime mindedness and pushing crap CBT at people (even schitzophrenics !) that is shown to be limited . People want choices and not Govt and Charity dominion propaganda films
SilvisRiversTWO 2 years ago
I know someone with scizophrenia who is scared to go out now because he is afraid the public will have seen the videos and that "schizos" as freaks will be uppermost in their minds.
chava2uk 2 years ago
we cant really stop people with MH issues fretting over being discriminated against what we can do is try to help them keep it in proportion
Time to Change is DELIBERATELY DISTORTING how the public view us to get themselves funded - £20 million here.The public are not the problem! most discrimination is from/kept in place by the Gov't
TTC are working hand in hand with the DWP to get people off benefits its not a civil rights campaign at all its bullying by MH orgs in league with the State
desikinlalaland 2 years ago
The only distortion I can see is your blissful lack of awareness of what MH service users experience on a daily basis. Not just from services, but from the community, family, church, employers, potential employers, shops, police, friends, nand so on. Many lose their homes and family when they become ill, many lose friends. People often can't get accommodation, insurance, loans etc. Are you a MH service user? If so, you have been very lucky not to experience this.
chava2uk 2 years ago
How does these videos improve the nations wellbeing?
If service providers and the Institute of Psychiatry have received £20 million funding for the Time to Change campaign there needs to be a lot more transparency than this
How much did these two short films cost?
How are people with MH issues unconnected to the service providers behind this campaign being allowed to manage and evaluate its direction , worth and impact as most of the service user posts to date have been critical.
desikinlalaland 2 years ago
This film is not made in social or policy isolation its part of cleverly planned skewed way to look a bit "street" when in fact its managed by UK MH Charities with conflicts of interests who need to convince everyone that the public and even employers are the problems . They are not, the State is with its impoverished DIY approaches to recovery and community lock down ( look at the CTO rates ) . The Charities support that - they are provisioners of the same themes and are grant hungry.
SilvisRiversTWO 2 years ago 2
Chava etc. - this is exactly the place for debate - in the free world . One claim was the MH Charity UK NIMHE (now defunct) cost £ 100 million over the years of its life . It certainly did . I've seen the Dept of Health generated answer from an FOI . Another claim is the charities are networkers in a top down way with Govt welfare aims which are alarming Users lives . The public are far less flawed than the Govt and the MH charities with their "work is recovery" skewed message.
SilvisRiversTWO 2 years ago
Time to Change is a service provider led and Institute of Psychiatry evaluated project that has received £18 million in funding.
How much of this money was spent on these two films ?
desikinlalaland 2 years ago
Time to Change is Englands most ambitious programme to end the discrimination faced by people with mental health problems, and improve the nations wellbeing.
Mind and Rethink are leading the programme, funded with £16m from the Big Lottery Fund and £4m from Comic Relief, and evaluated by the Institute of Psychiatry at Kings College, London.
ttcnow2008 2 years ago
Thanks for all your comments on the online videos.
If you would like to have a discussion with other online users that are not related to the videos themselves, please start a discussion topic in on of the many online discussion forums across the internet.
Thanks,
The Time to Change YouTube Team
ttcnow2008 2 years ago
The service provider led and Institute of Psychiatry (IOS) evaluated Time to Change project has received £18 million in funding.
Thats a lot of cash!
How much of this money was spent producing these two short films and since you are talking about evidence what steps have been taken to ensure that Professor Grapham Thornicroft and his team at the IOS are objectively evaluating this costly project when its run by people he has been networking outcomes with behind closed doors for years?
desikinlalaland 2 years ago
"Open debate is needed. You are so right. But Youtube is not the right place"
Huh? You defend a top down £18 million project speareheaded by service providers and the institute of psychiatry thats supposedly about changing public attitudes towards people with MH issues then you chastise people with mh issues for trying to have an open debate here and implore them to let the professionals use this free open source resource to broadcast their message and invite us to chat in private. that's mad
desikinlalaland 2 years ago
where did I say chat in private?
Open debate on a public forum is not private.
If we do not take up any more space here others can tell them what they think of the movies, which, incidentally, I do not defend I think they are misguided and offensive.
I do not defend the project either. Much has been said here with no evidence offered to support it. Discuss this on an open forum with supporting evidence and we shall see where it leads.
chava2uk 2 years ago
This is YouTube as open a forum as its possible to get its not a closed mental health ward so please stop trying to deter critics from posting.
We arent preventing others posting , few people are watching the movies.
Now how much of the £18 million pound Time to Change funding was spent on these two films while TTC charities Rethink and Mind were closing centres people in worst shape than the guy in the movie were dependent upon and wanted kept open?
Where are the priorities here?
desikinlalaland 2 years ago
Mind and Rethink are closing services as part of a DWP /DoH driven Modernisation campaign ordinary service users are resisting. The closures are nothing to do with money, Mind and Rethink are projecting a networked ideology at their service users to move into other areas of service provision funded by Government such as training and work schemes. The goal seems to be to bully disabled people off benefits .
desikinlalaland 2 years ago
There is disability discrimination but it is being over played . There does need to be an open debate about this but Chava your preachy ' Where's the evidence ?' approach is grating as you are clearly very closely alligned to the charities involved and I can see from the Norwich Mind info that critics are providing evidence for others to consider that you are simply ignoring. You seem bent on slapping down dissenters rather than making a convincing case yourself.
desikinlalaland 2 years ago
Yes, bit with no evidence presented, just unsubstantiated allegations how can anyone evaluate what they say? if they are going to fight what they believe is happening with no evidenve they will fail. It may grate with you, but it is necessary if anyone wants to change anything.
There is nothing preachy about asking for evidence. It is preachy to keep repeating things and not being prepared to back them up.
What they say may be true. I don't know. But without evidence they cannot win.
chava2uk 2 years ago
As for discrimination being overplayed, you should not make such sweeping statements. Many of us have experienced it over and over. We know from bitter experience it is if anything underplayed. That is what prompted me to fight for a better deal for everyone.
Open debate is needed. You are so right. But Youtube is not the right place. I am thinking of setting up a forum would you be prepared to co moderate something like that? PM me if you are interested.
chava2uk 2 years ago
I do not speak for either Mind or Rethink.Many charities have to close down work when specific finding for specific projects comes to an end.Funding from statutory and private organisations comes with strings attached and must be used in the way they say.They cannot use TTC money for day centres It would be withdrawn.That may not be what we want, but that's the world we live in.Funders say what we will fund and we design projects to further our aims that fit their criteria or do nothing at all.
chava2uk 2 years ago
Where is your evidence for any of your allegations? I am willing to consider it if you can provide any. I cannot understand why you do not do so if what you say is so obvious.
Are you doing anything to improve matters other than accuse everyone in sight?
chava2uk 2 years ago
Where is your evidence please. You have still not presented any.
chava2uk 2 years ago
Surely, it should never happen. Strong, fit people jumping on sick people they are supposed to be caring for, injuring them and scaring them so that they will never trust services again.
Have you ever considered what it is like to be on the receiving end of such an "attack"?
chava2uk 2 years ago
The video was pretty much aimed at a comfortable looking view of being schizophrenic in the community whereas the truth for many is lousy run down UK services and an overuse of compulsory drugging using Community Treatment Orders (running at 3 times the expected rate in the first year of operation) . Time to Change this skewed version of services are implied as good and rosy and that Charities know best. They do when it comes to getting grants for propaganda it appears .
SilvisRiversTWO 2 years ago
The outcome for many people with schizophrenia is much better than most people believe. This is what they are trying to show although I don't believe this is the right way to do it. I have many friends and, some family,with schizophrenia, and in almost all cases their experience is similar to the man in the film.
This is not skewed at all. It is meant to show there is hope and we are not all mad axemen.
chava2uk 2 years ago
I think you should spend time on a ward to see how they are run nowadays. I can only speak for the wards and services I have worked on and they're mostly positive even though funds are stretched and services can't provide all that is needed which is a shame, however I have never experienced a ward to be like a prison. There are vulnerable in hospitals and there needs to be some sort of security.
topseysasha 2 years ago
Do you want to go back to locking people up? The real problems as we experience them daily are caused by public prejudice. It was precisely that that was behind the government changing mental health law making life more difficult for many people who just want to lead a quiet life.
chava2uk 2 years ago
I do not agree with everything they are doing, but good work is being done by Service Users using some of this money to fight stigma and injustice.
Staff are not afraid to mix with service users. Have you visited any TTC projects?They were on the front line in Sheffield's sofa event.Many staff working with TTC, Mind and Rethink have experience of mental health problems
Your name suggests you want truth Please check your facts before you say anything else about people I know and work with.
chava2uk 2 years ago
Is it just jealousy then? did you apply for lotto money for a campaign and not get any? I don't get any money, but that does not make me bitter towards people who do and cared enough to put tremendous effort into writing a bid good enough to beat the competition. The were not just given it and it was not government money. Visit TTC website and find out who the funders are. They are not easy to get money from, many out there will confirm that.
chava2uk 2 years ago
The point of the advert was to challenge one aspect of mental health stigma. One aspect to encourage debate and challenge the view that schizophrenia is frightening. I think it did it very well.
topseysasha 2 years ago
Very good. I'm a student nurse and have met a lot of people with schizophrenia who have to deal with the stigma of being labelled with this alarming word. It is a scary word to some people. My family whom I would consider very liberal were worried about me working in mental health because the stigma is everywhere. This video makes a good point.
topseysasha 2 years ago
How do your patients feel about being associates with cheap horror movies like this?
chava2uk 2 years ago
This raised a good discussion with people and do you know, they had the intelligence and wit to understand the point of the advert.
topseysasha 2 years ago
@chava2uk
I think you are angry and it wouldn't matter what the content of this film was actually.It's almost as if you hadn't seen the film. I think you would be surprised at what the patients I work with feel or think.
topseysasha 1 year ago
he's got a bird
mestema 2 years ago
This seems to me to be a cheap trick to play. What image are you putting out? What other discriminated against minority would be used in this way? If you tried such a stunt about race or gay people you would be accused of discrimination,and rightly so. Why do you think it is different when you portray mental health service users in this way?
chava2uk 2 years ago
I dislike it....
It insults my intelligence!
I never thought mental problems were something to associate with fear and disgust until I watched this.
reikami 2 years ago
i think it's great that you didn't associate mental health problems with fear and disgust. but sadly a lot of people do. test your theory and send the video to a couple of friends and see what they think.
sometimes just talking about what people think is helpful...
keithmoonisalive 2 years ago 2
Go ahead and pride yourself on being "educated" if you get a kick out of being snobby, but lots of ordinary people _are_ scared of mentally ill persons.
megabigblur 2 years ago
A lot of people sadly do associate mental illness with fear and disgust sadly. However, I'm sure you would have realised that anyway due to your intelligence.
topseysasha 2 years ago
Well done, ttc.
waterlooman 2 years ago
Really makes you think
williamn6133 2 years ago
I really liked this clip it was really good.
Vindicated85 2 years ago