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Why does it seem that most vegans are whiny, preachy, self-righteous assholes? "Your brain is messed up from meat eating, you can't think as well as I can, HAH HUH HAH!" :) <---(Always follow up with douchey, pretentious smiley face). Seriously, I eat about a pound of meat/day and workout on a regular basis. I'm perfectly healthy and mentally competent.
@truth2748 Inferior to what? I'm just saying that whining, bitching, and attempting to insult the mental and physical disposition of people is not going to make anybody want to become a vegan. On a different note, I've never tried "inferiority complex", but I will have a slice of that "Douchebag Cake" you seem to be hoarding. Perhaps I could interest you in a slice of "Humble Pie"?
@truth2748 Prozac, WTF? Perhaps you could try making sense. Stop chewing on trees and get a little protein into that brain, it will work wonders for you.
my brain gets cramps of all the shit you're writing, i really tried to make everything clear to you, but it was in vain. i guess you're brain is so much spoiled from all the meat eating. there is no point any more in writing back to you, you won't get it anyways.
everyone who reads this "discussion" and has a minimum size of intelligence, will see who is the one with the coherent argumentation (me) and who is just talking bullshit (you).
there is no speciesism. racism is because humans are all humans. but animals are different and have different roles in the environment. so applying a word like speciesism and comparing it to human values such as racism etc is a sublte way of pushing your religion onto others. equating humans with animals morally is an extreme position based on religious beliefs.
haha, saying that i am religious... haha, you are actually making me laugh!!! LOL
actually, it is what i study at university. :D
YES, i study BIOLOGY at university & i learn about speciesism etc. and if someone said that humans were not animals in front of a professor ... well it would make a good laugh!
it's so much fun what you wrote really! LOL
because this distinction between humans and other animals actually derives from religions!
of course humans are animals. thats why speciesism is stupid. we dont oppress animals cuz theyre different. we eat them cuz its natural. does a lion oppress a zebra? is a lion a speciesist?
its a contradiction to say were animals but were above nature at the same time. if were animals then were part of nature. in nature animals eat each other. u cant have it both ways.
"if you are not here to learn and accept new information and aren't ready to draw a conclusion for yourself then please leave and stop spamming lists as these!"
"i am for FREEDOM.
and in order to ahieve this i use my right of freedom of speech."
typical vegan u think only u should have freedom of speech but not others.
no, everyone has the freedom of speech. i did not command anyone to leave i asked him to leave ("please") if he does not really want to discuss... and i get angry when ppl spread lies! no wonder that there is so much ignorance and lack of knowledge about veganism out there! people are so prejudiced it's unbelievable!!! do you think i went vegan out of fun? don't you think i had serious reasons why i changed my life?
he doesn't really think about what i say. in his view all vegans are the same. he proves how prejudiced he is. i wrote comments on his channel, recommended some good books about nutrition and i said i want peace and that i want to help ppl etc. but he DELETED it - without giving me an answer whatsoever!?
the thing is: i am not prejudiced against omnivores for i was also eating meat and dairy in the past. i changed my life after educating myself about nutrition and the conditions in farms etc.
So anything that says the vegan diet is "healthy" isn't an automatic lie, while anything that is against the vegan diet is a lie?
Wow, you really are brainwashed. You obviously dont have an open mind.
I really dont care if you think the vegan diet is good for you, but dont say its good for everyone and that kids dont get sick or even die from it when in fact they do. So you're the one who spreads lies!
and no, actually, i think that i am the one who stepped out of this machine of brainwashing while you want to stay right there. i ate meat & dairy products most of my life! mostly because of this scary propaganda you spread as well...
then i tried the vegan diet (after reading a lot non-mainstream-books - and you call ME closed-minded LOL) and it helped me to overcome some health problems i was suffering from! why should i go back to eating dead animals or something else which harms my body?
Like the ones you spread as well? If you're a biology student, then you would know that the human body does indeed digest animal products and gets nutrients from said animals. Why else is the only way to get vitamin B12 is from animal products? (unless you are taking supplements which were created for people like you who are going against nature)
no, most meat eaters have b12 deficiences. ;) why? because their systems are so clogged up!
haha, me going "against nature" LOL how can we do that? we are all part of nature...
and yes, i learn a lot about human physiology. this gives me even more affirmation! look at the human body! :) humans do not need lots of b12, small amounts are produced in their bodies. b 12 is produced by bacteria and is not only present in meat. the presence of b 12 in meat only shows that it is actually dirty! LOL
if you are not here to learn and accept new information and aren't ready to draw a conclusion for yourself then please leave and stop spamming lists as these! there ARE people who want to change, who want to end this suffering and lies. and posts of ppl like you can confuse ppl who are unsure because of mainstream propaganda! read a book about it instead!
READ THIS: "THE CHINA STUDY"
The Most Comprehensive Study of Nutrition Ever Conducted
The China Study has been refuted and doesn't really give a FULL study.
Go to this guy's website chetday(dot) com. He did the vegan diet and proves that the vegan diet IS unhealthy. His study wasn't biased either.
Apparently the only ignorant people here are you and others that think the "holy" diet is the vegan diet, when it's not. Humans cannot have ONE diet since not everyone is the same. There are more people allergic to fruit, vegetables, and nuts than to meat. Think about it.
ADA (American Dietetic Association - world's largest independent association of educated nutritionists) comes to the conclusion:
"Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood and adolescence. "
"Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood and adolescence."
Actually, there have been studies and instances where kids have DIED from the vegan diet or developed bone diseases.
well, what did the girl eat on this vegan diet? would be good to know that (if the child only ate soy pudding for example & nothing else - no wonder) there are also LOTS of kids starving for nutrition & dying because of the consequences of eating excess of meat, dairy & sugar. ever considered that?
of course there are exceptions, there are ALWAYS exceptions. but to say that veganism for kids is unhealthy because of ONE vegan child who died because of malnutrition is simply UNFAIR and stupid.
And its not just ONE vegan child. Even vegan doctors have said the vegan diet isn't healthy for developing kids.
If you want kids to die eating a diet that has been proved that kills kids and/or gives them diseases that is easily avoided, then continue saying vegan diet is "healthy".
i showed you two of the biggest studies ever done on nutrition, both come to the conclusion that a PROPER VEGAN diet is healthy for all states of life (kids included)! where is your evidence/resource? and of course i am talking about recent scientific studies which are not commissioned by any owner of a animal factory or something... (not very believeable then)
"where is your evidence/resource? and of course i am talking about recent scientific studies which are not commissioned by any owner of a animal factory or something... "
I already gave you a resource. chetday(dot) com. The guy who runs that site WAS on the vegan diet and thinks it does have SOME good points, but it really isn't FULLY healthy. His article will open your mind up. (if that's even possible)
and also: this guy talks about HIS PERSONAL experiences! i do not know what he ate when he was vegan. of course you can make mistakes, but that can happen on every kind of diet!
So do you. But here's something that you need to know, not everyone can eat the same diet. If everyone went on the vegan diet at least 1/4 of the human population will die, if not more. Many people are allergic to fruit, vegetables, and nuts. But I guess from your logic they aren't human.
And that IS a study. Science is what you are against. The human body has the ability to digest/break down animal products and get the nutrients from those animal products.
what? where? i couldn't find this study you are talking about!? and hey, i am trying to find this while you sit around and judge me by reading my comments on a youtube video. have you ever read the china study? the ada position paper? a book by john robbins? jane goodall? brenda davis? no? well, then maybe it is time. i've heard both sides. i've eaten omnivorous & vegetarian & vegan - and vegan definitely feels best for me. and according to human physiology humans evolved as fruit eaters. POINT.
all he says it "I believe this diet may cause serious problems long-term" wow! i am convinced to eat meat again after reading this! LOL he BELIEVES that this diet MAY cause problems! while it is PROVEN that eating too much animal products leads to ALL KIND of diseases!!!
the STUDIES i am talking about are made with thousands of ppl!
i said we are not the same as other animals. thats like saying a lion is the same as a deer because they are both animals! why dont u laugh at ur own stupidity? haha
what? did you even notice that you actually said that i am right? LOL
this is what i say: humans are different to other animals as a lion is not the same as a deer. that's right. but they all are part of the animal kingdom. (:
ADA (American Dietetic Association - world's largest independent association of educated nutritionists) comes to the conclusion:
"Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood and adolescence. "
Probably they want to help those animals who are no longer able to live on their own, because they have been caged all their life and don't know how to get food and a dry place to sleep.
And I didn't want to say something about hunting not being regulated, of course it is. I think in this case we missunderstood each other.
Yet those animals are still somewhat caged up because they still have human interaction. Its ok to help TEACH the animals how to find food and a place to sleep, but it's NOT ok to keep them if you are saying they should be free. (not talking about you, just the people that are for farm "sancturaries")
I agree with you, farm sancturaries should become we-help-teach-the-animals-how-to-find-food-and-a-place-to-sleep farms. (but actually I have no idea how to teach an overbred pig how to survive in the forest)
Yet its alright for other animals to eat other animals and treat them as food?
There's nothing wrong with eating animals just like there's nothing wrong with eating fruits and vegetables since they are alive before you eat them too.
Many animals are hebivores and some others are not able to decide.(which i don't like, yeah you're right)
But We are able to choose our food, we are able to live a healthy and happy life without animal products and we can decide not to hurt anyone. It is not necessary to cage and kill these poor chickens, cows, ... .
In my opinion vegetables and fruits don't suffer when they're eaten. Many berries only live on, because birds eat them and carry their seeds somewhere else and poo them out within their excrements. :)
Nevertheless I agree with you, fruits and vegetables are alive before I eat them, everything's alive in this world, think of the small bacteria right in front of you.
Exactly what I'm getting at. Just because someone eats an animal, doesn't necessarily make them bad. It's human nature to eat meat. I have said this before on another video but, if everyone in the world went vegan, there will always be a few people wanting to eat meat and will. Just like how there are people that dont want to eat animals now.
The native people respect the planet more than anyone else, and they eat meat. Just look at native americans.
Jep, and even some of the native people refuse to eat meat.
But if someone in our society absolutely deserves to eat meat, then why can't he get it "the natural way", go and hunt it. It's just not fair to cage a creature and kill it after a while.
It should at least have the chance to feel what life could be.
Obviously you dont know about FREE range animals, meaning they aren't caged up.
And there are thinks called OVER hunting. If everyone decided to hunt, a lot of animals will go extinct. Remember the dodo? It went extinct due to over hunting which is why people are regulated what they hunt. That's saying we are wise enough to NOT over hunt our food.
Your "FREE range animals" are not free to go where they want and they are not free to run away from their hunters... sorry but this is still not fair, no way.
And hell, you seem to think I'm absolutely naive, thanks for that.. grr.. but do you really think that all people would go hunting and then there would be "OVER hunting"? Most of those businessmen wouldn't even think of doing it.
Nevertheless the hunting could still be regulated, couldn't it?
in farm "sanctuaries" the animals are not going to be killed, thats the difference (and I don't think vegans save animals from suffering just to have a petting zoo, thats dumb). by the way, those farms would't be necessary if factory farming didn't exist.
And what you said about hunting - thats exactly what i meant, they regulate hunting and they can do it in the future, so you shouldn't be afraid of over hunting.
i am vegan and an animal rights activist and therefore i am totally against things like "petting zoo for vegans" as you call it, "ironman711"... why? because i want that other (non-human) animals can live a life in freedom!
" if everyone in the world went vegan, there will always be a few people wanting to eat meat and will"
yeah, wow, think of that... how much pain and waste and destruction and suffering etc. would be diminished because of this! WOW!
there will also always be people who want to rape others, beat others, murder others. so, then i gess, in your view that's "natural" for humans to do. and that's why it's ok. what the fuck is wrong with you!?
(")_(") derechos animales ya , Todos contra el programa llamado basura de USA que fue utilizado como propaganda contra PETA el principal grupo de activista que está en contra de los que les hacen a los animales, por su piel, por experimentar, por diversión y por comida, estos de manera cínica, confunden las informaciones y se burlan de los activitas en contra de estas masacres terrible, todos contra "basura". coloquen sus videos como respuesta a este programa en su youtube.
Sorry, I'm not aware of this. I don't go on 'non-vegan' videos. You're being just as rude though, aren't you? If you were that bothered, you wouldn't be so childish to come on here lecturing people. I'm not arguing with you or anything. I just think it's silly.
actually yes, many other vegans do spread lies and use multiple accounts to make it seem like other people agree with them. how pathetic lol.
i only tell vegans that it's our choice to eat meat or not. the same as it's our choice to eat veggies/fruit or not. humans can survive on either strict diets or a well balanced one.
Well then surely you can understand why I'm replying to you all the time, I'm not one of these people. I don't have that much time on my hands, though apparently I do enough to reply to your comments all the time. Agree to disagree, because I'm bored of this argument now. aha.
it depends on who you talk to. eating meat is not the healthiest option. It may not kill you, directly, but it is not really a smart food option if you are concerned with optimal health. So it is subjective. Some vegans say its horrible, some say its not healthy, some say its wrong. I say it is not necessary, period.
Fish, chicken, and deer/other wild animals are the healthiest food option anyone can choose to eat.
im not against people not eating meat but those people shouldnt be against other people eating meat. that just shows they arent that open minded as they say they are.
hey, you asked me to list them and i did. dont get mad at me that i called your bluff ;)
BTW, if the vegan lifestyle is so good, then why is it unhealthy for babies/kids to go on the vegan diet? all dietry experts have said bringing up a baby or a kid on a strict vegan diet would make the kid malnourished. if the vegan diet is so healthy and natural, then why are the kids malnourished while on the strict vegan diet? ;)
Are you kidding me? An infant gets most of his protein/B12/B6 and other nutrients from it's MOTHERS breast milk. A vegan mother's breast milk is healthier than that of a meat eater's breast milk. After the infant stage and after it's head/brain are completely developed, it's digestive system functions similarly to that of a teen or an adult.
The proportion of DHA in erythrocyte total lipids of infants breast-fed by vegans was 1.9% compared with 3.7% in infants fed a milk formula containing butterfat as the sole source of fat and 6.2% in infants breast-fed by omnivores at 14 weeks postpartum. J Pediatr. 1992 Apr;120(4 Pt 2):S71-7
oh yea, a vegan's breast milk is totally healthier...
Oh? Once again, you plagiarized right off of a website. A Women who eats meat contains toxins and unnatural amount of unneeded hormones inside her breast milk which is then dumped into her child. LOL you don't even know what Eryhtrocytes ARE- you stupid sheep. Again- I didn't mention fat in my previous statement. I said proteins and other vitamins. lipids were not included. Lipids are generally found in fatty foods which CAN be vegan.
you're the one who are following others just because it's a "hip" new trend. helping the planet shouldn't be a trend like twilight. i've been wanting to help the planet since i was a little kid. can you say that? highly doubt it. lamb.
I think you're confused as to what the figurative term "Sheep" really means.
I fight the majority- to stand up for what I believe in- yet I'm a sheep? I don't base my opinion on what I see purely in videos but what I've experience in life. Animal rights isn't a trend- it's a commitment; a goal, I guess you can say.
PS: I've always been out for helping the planet. Volunteered at many environmentalist occasions such as park/marsh clean ups and attended several demonstrations.
There is no relevance as to where I live. A house, though, for your argument's sake. What? Are you going to say? That because I live in a house I'm a hypocrite? I grew up in the house. I had no say in the matter. Whenever I went to build small structures (I.E. tables, cat posts, ladders, etc. etc.) I used recycled wood. I don't waste water, I don't waste electricity and I DON'T waste oil.
and yea, you are a hypocrite. houses gets built ontop of animals homes and forces them to go find another home or even kill them. the same if you drive a car. those roads you drive on were made ontop of animals homes as well. and there is not such thing as wasting electricity. electricity is an unlimited resource. you should have said you dont have a high electricity bill.
Electricity, the way it's produced today, is NOT unlimited. It's produced by a complex generator powered by Oil, which actually is NOT a renewable resource.
and I built on top of the animal's homes? No, you're quite mistaken. Our american fore-fathers who raped the natives of their land and slaughtered their families- they're the one's who stole the land of the animals.
10,000 years ago in Mesopotamia is when this animal slaughter began and you could thank them! Because it'll bring death.
so are you saying our forefathers built the highways and many other houses that weren't around back then? wow, so our forefathers were able to make the mansions of today. you are smart ;)
dont blame our forefathers for your own greed for luxury. you are even too spoiled to live off the land without help.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! You're an idiot. You have no clue what modern environmentalism is and are just spewing bullshit all over the place. Don't even bother commenting back you inbred retard.
Hooray for the double standard. First of all, you're the one that came on to a vegan vid and started trolling- SO, why don't YOU start by being open minded. Second- I'm not calling you an inbred retard because you're different but because you have absolutely NO argument. You're statements are sloppy and plagiarized. All you're doing is trying to defend you're right to eat meat. Which, I have no problem with but don't REJECT all other diets- specially if they're healthier and less cruel.
for one, i wasn't trolling. i came on here to see a vegan video but i started seeing your posts saying eating meat isnt healthy, which is false. two, my argument is the same as yours so dont say mine is irrelevant since i have shown you a list of vegan doctors that even said the vegan diet isn't healthy. and there have been studies that show you shouldn't let a baby or kids go on a vegan diet cuz they would get a bone disease or wont even survive. all i'm saying if you want to be vegan...
it's your CHOICE. just because someone eats meat doesn't make them unethical or unenvironmental or even cruel. if you think otherwise, you really are closed minded and ignorant. and i have talked to other vegans im private messages and they all have talked to me civilized and i have talked to them civilized. but it's people like you that give vegans/vegetarians look bad.
Don't give me that shit. There are meat eaters that are far worse than I am. If I were to judge meat eaters just from the people I've met, I'd pretty much call them abominations- or human trash, something of the like. But yes, the meat industry is bad for the environment in a multiple of ways and it IS unethical. (here we go again). When there are alternatives to meat, those alternatives should be taken. Many of the smartest and well respected people in history would agree.
and i know many veggie eaters that are far worse than i am. from how you talk, you really are a waste of sperm and egg. you really aren't an environmentalist if you argue online instead of actually helping the planet. you really are a moron lol
Hey, I agree with you and love animals. People who are truly cruel should be persecuted. I am a meat eater, though. I believe that we were just meant to be that way. As in, if you locked up a human from birth to maturity and threw a steak in there, the human'd eat it for sure. I also believe the world is a cruel place, and that's just the way it is. We cannot change our nature as humans. We kill eachother and pilfer resources. We mean well and inadvertently destroy. That is just the way it is.
Listen, "kleinesvelichen" or whatever your name is. FACT is, the OVERWHELMING majority of humans are meat eaters. Even those who live in extreme seclusion and have never heard arguments such as yours. Therefore, cannot one clearly state that humans, as a species, are carnivorous, due to the fact that nearly all humans are meat eaters. If you suddenly figured out that 5% of great white sharks ate veggies, you wouldn't say they were "meant to eat veggies" would you? Despite their inner makings.
haha, my name is right in front of you on the monitor and you're too stupid to copy it...
well, i do not know where you have your figures from, but obviously it's not a very well researched resource.
humans have the physiology of fruit eaters. take this example: give a rabbit and a banana to a hungry child. what do you think will happen? i guess, the child will kill the rabbit, suck its blood, eat flesh and bones and will play with the banana afterwards in your opinion?
Wow. You're pretty rude. Anyhow, there's no need for research on what is so obvious. Most humans eat meat. Period. I don't need to research that any more than I need to research the notion that fat kids get picked on more or the notion that pretty girls get away with more. These things are obvious. A hungry child will put a golf ball in it's mouth if it's hungry. They don't know any better. Don't get me wrong, I love fruits and veggies, but people like you are closed minded.
I may be mistaken on this one, as I haven't "researched" it at all, but... I'd be willing to bet that at least some of the people that have lived to the ripe age of 100 years old have been meat eaters. Like I said, not sure about it but, I'd bet my wallet on it.
Calling my bluff? Since when is that my bluff? you googled veganism and dietitians and copy/pasted all the names you found. That's not calling anything. I still stand by my argument.
I don't understand why everyone argues so much... Veges/vegans Do fine without meat, what's more natural than eating things that havn't been slaughtered? Why do meat eaters insist on commenting on vegan videos? honestly, I couldn't imagine consuming something that once lived, that's not criticising anyone! Personal opinion. Why can't the people who disagree with our ways just stop making idiotic comments? and go watch something you actually want to watch.
actually, many vegans comment anti PETA videos all the time. and they also comment omnivore videos saying humans aren't omnivores but herbivores. most vegans(not all) on youtube think they are superior than people who eat meat. when some people live healthy lives eating just meat as well. people should just stfu about what others eat. we are omnivores. so we can eat veggies and meat or them by themselves.
Of course people can be healthy eating meat! I'm just peeved because I'm not one of those snobby vegans, It's just silly when people come onto these videos just to make idiotic comments. It's not a funny subject, really.
well i just say let people eat whatever they want since humans are omnivores. whenever an elite vegan/vegetarian says humans aren't omnivores, i just say tell them people have been able to live long lives on just meat than people that eat just vegetation.
like i say, if you want to eat veggie, ok. if you want to eat meat, ok. just stfu if you want EVERYONE to eat like you. not everyone is the same.
We are primarily veggy eaters. We ate meat when needed, yes- only to survive. However, physiology and history tells us that our main source of nutrition was always vegetation. And there's a difference between HUNTING, and TOTALITARIAN AGRICULTURE.
This movement isn't about you or me. It's strictly about the animals. We are highly capable of surviving without meat. I've asked cartiologists, dietitians and doctors. All said they were willing to give up meat. Many of them only eat fish.
vegetation was only eaten when human wasn't able to get meat. our physiology is really a mix of carnivorous and herbivorous. hence, we are omnivores.
"All said they were willing to give up meat. Many of them only eat fish" fish is still meat. i know some of you vegans/vegetarians think fish isnt meat but it is.
First of all, whether fish is meat or not, isn't the issue.. and I never said they were vegans or vegetarians. I said they were omnivores who wouldn't mind giving up meat.
"vegetation was only eaten when human wasn't able to get meat. our physiology is really a mix of carnivorous and herbivorous. hence, we are omnivores." Really? You must have fooled all of those geneticists.
Meat was only eaten when vegetation wasn't readily available or a group was nomadic.
"Meat was only eaten when vegetation wasn't readily available or a group was nomadic" really? you must be smarter than everyone else who is a geneticists that have said the only reason humans at vegetation is because early humans weren't able to get meat. but you must be smart, so you have to be right. ;)
the human physiology proves that our other main source of nutrition was meant to be meat. you must be oblivious to the facts. it's really sad and pathetic.
Our OTHER main source? There's only one main source you dunce. Meat enables man to survive when dinner wasn't a definite part of your daily routine. Your body is able to store the fats and slowly break them down- Just like carbohydrates. Grains and breads give you a lot of energy. The only real facts that state we ate meat are:
-The diet of chimpanzees (Main source of diet are fruits and veggies).
-And our teeth. We have a few teeth that are used for tearing.
Man has always had some sort of society. You think we just walked around alone all day? No you mentally challenged prick, we've always lived in groups. And there has always been some sort of "society" affect. Nazi research. Lmfao that ACTUALLY made laugh. I'll have to thank you for that. Haven't laughed that hard yet today.
Yes, nazi, Hitler was a vegan and wanted to push his beliefs onto others, just like you nazis. And as far as society, then sure, people did stick in groups at SOME point in history, heck it's the only way they could HUNT for food ;)
Hitler was NOT a vegan and would you continue to do something that primitive cave men would do? 'Cause that's obviously what you are. Extremely primitive. you're saying we need meat while we clearly don't. A misunderstanding that's been around for a very long time. Now, don't bother responding - cause I don't enjoy talking brick walls, thus, I'm not responding anymore.
Primitive cavemen are humans that think like animals. They eat out of instinct, therefore through them we can know what we can and can't eat. A true herbivore would never eat meat, not even to survive, it just couldn't process the meat. We clearly do need to eat, and eating meat is one of the things we eat.
First of all, any animal, when deprived of food, would eat anything. This is fucking hilarious. And any meat, however you cook it, still does harm to your body. Go take an advanced bio/organic chem course. MAYBE you'll understand. Doubt you're smart enough.
Humans weren't always deprived of food, meat wasn't a last choice, it was their first. Our primary diet was meat. No, meat does not harm your body, more bullshit regurgitated from a stupid vegan PETA fan (don't deny it)
Meat does harm your body. Was proved by meat eaters them selves. You're just fucking stupid (don't deny it). I'm not a peta fan. I'm an ALF/ELF fan. And show me proof that meat was always humans first choice of diet. Cause science isn't looking so good on your side. Science is always based on fact, just in case you're too unintelligent to know that.
How does it harm the body you? don't deny your spewing shit like all terrorists. Yeah that's right, ALF is a terrorist orginization, using violence to get their way, and you're a nutjob. Show you proof? neanderthals were top predators, it's sceintific proof. Science also says that humans went for the most calorie dense food (animal fat) and no shit, it's survival. Sceince isn't good on my side? gtfo you tool.
Bla bla bla there you go again saying science is on your side and avoiding all my questions. You are a tool, you don't know ANYTHING and you so far have proved NOTHING. You..fail.
"And if they're a terrorist organization, then you're just a fucking pussy" i guess teaching kids how to make bombs doesn't qualify as a terrorist group...gotcha.
They don't teach children, they teach college students.
The Military recruits HIGH SCHOOL students and JUNIOR HIGH students who are then tought to kill people. What's the difference? Both are fighting for a cause- 'cept ALF isn't hurting anyone... well, financially yes.
but the military teaches kids how to defend themselves. ALF teaches kids to BOMB buildings. and they do hurt people. how would you feel if someone from ALF bombed your house when you werent home? happy? i bet ;)
you are as much of sheep as anyone else. EVERYONE in this world are sheep. people follow people all the time. you think you aren't sheep yet you are following a ter
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KiNGLO201 1 month ago
@imtheuser12345
Exactly!
BellaReborns 2 months ago
Luxury disease
LooseOmankoGabaGaba 1 year ago
Why does it seem that most vegans are whiny, preachy, self-righteous assholes? "Your brain is messed up from meat eating, you can't think as well as I can, HAH HUH HAH!" :) <---(Always follow up with douchey, pretentious smiley face). Seriously, I eat about a pound of meat/day and workout on a regular basis. I'm perfectly healthy and mentally competent.
ztcady 1 year ago
@ztcady Inferiority complex anyone?
truth2748 1 year ago
@truth2748 Inferior to what? I'm just saying that whining, bitching, and attempting to insult the mental and physical disposition of people is not going to make anybody want to become a vegan. On a different note, I've never tried "inferiority complex", but I will have a slice of that "Douchebag Cake" you seem to be hoarding. Perhaps I could interest you in a slice of "Humble Pie"?
ztcady 1 year ago
@ztcady Perhaps prozac then?
truth2748 1 year ago
@truth2748 Prozac, WTF? Perhaps you could try making sense. Stop chewing on trees and get a little protein into that brain, it will work wonders for you.
ztcady 1 year ago
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MrColiforme 2 years ago
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Lacobrigus 2 years ago
Okay,if you know you are set in your ways and won't stop eating meat, why do you bother watching the video or committing? It's very rude.
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TreesOfBaylor 2 years ago
noone lives forever tho so.. eat whatever you want, eat nice food, preferably that doesn't cause any pain to its source
ramconstok 2 years ago
""Healthy at 100: The Scientifically Proven Secrets of the World's Healthiest and Longest-Lived Peoples""
i refuted that bullshit book before. none of the cultures listed in that book are vegans. most are meat eaters and all eat meat or dairy/eggs.
bigusdikus0 2 years ago 2
abkasians, hunzas, vilcambra, japanese were the groups named that the author cites. NONE of them are vegans.
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
@kliensvelchen
ur brain is naturally cramped haha. ur too stupid to understand why veganism is a religion. u should laugh at ur inability to comprehend haha
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
and to make it clear: i am agnostic/atheist. that's why it really made me laugh to read about the bullshit bigusdikus0 said...
when actually it is very sad that so many ppl want to stay blind...
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
@ bigusdikus0
my brain gets cramps of all the shit you're writing, i really tried to make everything clear to you, but it was in vain. i guess you're brain is so much spoiled from all the meat eating. there is no point any more in writing back to you, you won't get it anyways.
everyone who reads this "discussion" and has a minimum size of intelligence, will see who is the one with the coherent argumentation (me) and who is just talking bullshit (you).
GO VEGAN & START TO THINK! :)
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
"but he DELETED it"
ive never seen iron delete any comments
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
there is no speciesism. racism is because humans are all humans. but animals are different and have different roles in the environment. so applying a word like speciesism and comparing it to human values such as racism etc is a sublte way of pushing your religion onto others. equating humans with animals morally is an extreme position based on religious beliefs.
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
haha, saying that i am religious... haha, you are actually making me laugh!!! LOL
actually, it is what i study at university. :D
YES, i study BIOLOGY at university & i learn about speciesism etc. and if someone said that humans were not animals in front of a professor ... well it would make a good laugh!
it's so much fun what you wrote really! LOL
because this distinction between humans and other animals actually derives from religions!
haha!!! *still laughing sorry*
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
i didnt say were not animals. u are kind of stupid how do u study in college? u didnt understand anything i said. i wont waste more time with u
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
"racism is because humans are all humans. but animals are different "
no, you said humans are humans and animals are different. i see. and i thought you made a difference between animals and humans. sorry, my mistake.
so, you agree that humans are animals? good! because that's what speciesism about! opressing other species because of being different...
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
of course humans are animals. thats why speciesism is stupid. we dont oppress animals cuz theyre different. we eat them cuz its natural. does a lion oppress a zebra? is a lion a speciesist?
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
its a contradiction to say were animals but were above nature at the same time. if were animals then were part of nature. in nature animals eat each other. u cant have it both ways.
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
veganism is religion.
"because this distinction between humans and other animals actually derives from religions!"
u got it backwards. the idea that animals are equal to humans comes from religion.
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
"if you are not here to learn and accept new information and aren't ready to draw a conclusion for yourself then please leave and stop spamming lists as these!"
"i am for FREEDOM.
and in order to ahieve this i use my right of freedom of speech."
typical vegan u think only u should have freedom of speech but not others.
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
no, everyone has the freedom of speech. i did not command anyone to leave i asked him to leave ("please") if he does not really want to discuss... and i get angry when ppl spread lies! no wonder that there is so much ignorance and lack of knowledge about veganism out there! people are so prejudiced it's unbelievable!!! do you think i went vegan out of fun? don't you think i had serious reasons why i changed my life?
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
i thought he was discussing?
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
he doesn't really think about what i say. in his view all vegans are the same. he proves how prejudiced he is. i wrote comments on his channel, recommended some good books about nutrition and i said i want peace and that i want to help ppl etc. but he DELETED it - without giving me an answer whatsoever!?
the thing is: i am not prejudiced against omnivores for i was also eating meat and dairy in the past. i changed my life after educating myself about nutrition and the conditions in farms etc.
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
"i get angry when ppl spread lies!"
So anything that says the vegan diet is "healthy" isn't an automatic lie, while anything that is against the vegan diet is a lie?
Wow, you really are brainwashed. You obviously dont have an open mind.
I really dont care if you think the vegan diet is good for you, but dont say its good for everyone and that kids dont get sick or even die from it when in fact they do. So you're the one who spreads lies!
ironman711 2 years ago
well, there is no point in calling each other liars. right?
so i will stop that now. :) i really think you say all these things because you simply don't know it better.
i have science on my side. :)
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
and no, actually, i think that i am the one who stepped out of this machine of brainwashing while you want to stay right there. i ate meat & dairy products most of my life! mostly because of this scary propaganda you spread as well...
then i tried the vegan diet (after reading a lot non-mainstream-books - and you call ME closed-minded LOL) and it helped me to overcome some health problems i was suffering from! why should i go back to eating dead animals or something else which harms my body?
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
"scary propaganda you spread as well"
Like the ones you spread as well? If you're a biology student, then you would know that the human body does indeed digest animal products and gets nutrients from said animals. Why else is the only way to get vitamin B12 is from animal products? (unless you are taking supplements which were created for people like you who are going against nature)
ironman711 2 years ago
no, most meat eaters have b12 deficiences. ;) why? because their systems are so clogged up!
haha, me going "against nature" LOL how can we do that? we are all part of nature...
and yes, i learn a lot about human physiology. this gives me even more affirmation! look at the human body! :) humans do not need lots of b12, small amounts are produced in their bodies. b 12 is produced by bacteria and is not only present in meat. the presence of b 12 in meat only shows that it is actually dirty! LOL
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
ur too retarded to learn dont waste more money on school u cant understand haha
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
wow, how mature of you! :D
i will never stop educating myself, i love to learn about new facts. :)
maybe it is time for you to start. :)
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
and what exactly IS a "typical vegan"?
you seem so full of stereotypes! how come?
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
and what exactly IS a "typical vegan"?
you seem so full of stereotypes! how come?
when vegans stop being all exactly the same and saying exactly the same things ill stop stereotyping :)
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
why is there speciesism, racism, and homophobia? why not speciesphobia, and homoism?
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
i usually try to use words which i can find in a dictionary. i did not create the words, actually.
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
i know im just saying why is it that way. its interesting dont u think?
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
no, not really...
but if it is so interesting to you, it is ok, of course ^^
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
maybe u should question use of language more if u want to use such words.
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
hm, i know what these words MEAN, i do not have to know how every single word was developed. (;
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
"hm, i know what these words MEAN, i do not have to know how every single word was developed. (; "
u dont question the logical consistency of words u use.
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
@ ironman & all the other ignorant ppl:
if you are not here to learn and accept new information and aren't ready to draw a conclusion for yourself then please leave and stop spamming lists as these! there ARE people who want to change, who want to end this suffering and lies. and posts of ppl like you can confuse ppl who are unsure because of mainstream propaganda! read a book about it instead!
READ THIS: "THE CHINA STUDY"
The Most Comprehensive Study of Nutrition Ever Conducted
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
The China Study has been refuted and doesn't really give a FULL study.
Go to this guy's website chetday(dot) com. He did the vegan diet and proves that the vegan diet IS unhealthy. His study wasn't biased either.
Apparently the only ignorant people here are you and others that think the "holy" diet is the vegan diet, when it's not. Humans cannot have ONE diet since not everyone is the same. There are more people allergic to fruit, vegetables, and nuts than to meat. Think about it.
ironman711 2 years ago
ADA (American Dietetic Association - world's largest independent association of educated nutritionists) comes to the conclusion:
"Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood and adolescence. "
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
"Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood and adolescence."
Actually, there have been studies and instances where kids have DIED from the vegan diet or developed bone diseases.
ironman711 2 years ago
show me these studies!
because i only know studies in which was proven that vegans & vegetarians are way healthier than meat eaters!
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
This 6 year old girl that was on the vegan diet developed a spine of an 80 year old.
And you can google many more kids and doctors saying the vegan diet ISN'T recommended for kids/babies/expecting mothers.
ironman711 2 years ago
well, what did the girl eat on this vegan diet? would be good to know that (if the child only ate soy pudding for example & nothing else - no wonder) there are also LOTS of kids starving for nutrition & dying because of the consequences of eating excess of meat, dairy & sugar. ever considered that?
of course there are exceptions, there are ALWAYS exceptions. but to say that veganism for kids is unhealthy because of ONE vegan child who died because of malnutrition is simply UNFAIR and stupid.
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
And its not just ONE vegan child. Even vegan doctors have said the vegan diet isn't healthy for developing kids.
If you want kids to die eating a diet that has been proved that kills kids and/or gives them diseases that is easily avoided, then continue saying vegan diet is "healthy".
ironman711 2 years ago
if there are so many, then SHOW IT!
i showed you two of the biggest studies ever done on nutrition, both come to the conclusion that a PROPER VEGAN diet is healthy for all states of life (kids included)! where is your evidence/resource? and of course i am talking about recent scientific studies which are not commissioned by any owner of a animal factory or something... (not very believeable then)
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
"where is your evidence/resource? and of course i am talking about recent scientific studies which are not commissioned by any owner of a animal factory or something... "
I already gave you a resource. chetday(dot) com. The guy who runs that site WAS on the vegan diet and thinks it does have SOME good points, but it really isn't FULLY healthy. His article will open your mind up. (if that's even possible)
ironman711 2 years ago
so, this is your scientific resource??
one guy??!!??
and also: this guy talks about HIS PERSONAL experiences! i do not know what he ate when he was vegan. of course you can make mistakes, but that can happen on every kind of diet!
i was on his page right now & read an article...
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
"this guy talks about HIS PERSONAL experiences"
So do you. But here's something that you need to know, not everyone can eat the same diet. If everyone went on the vegan diet at least 1/4 of the human population will die, if not more. Many people are allergic to fruit, vegetables, and nuts. But I guess from your logic they aren't human.
ironman711 2 years ago
well, but i refer to studies as well. but you don't seem to care that science is on my side,...
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
And that IS a study. Science is what you are against. The human body has the ability to digest/break down animal products and get the nutrients from those animal products.
You obviously fail as a bio student.
ironman711 2 years ago
what? where? i couldn't find this study you are talking about!? and hey, i am trying to find this while you sit around and judge me by reading my comments on a youtube video. have you ever read the china study? the ada position paper? a book by john robbins? jane goodall? brenda davis? no? well, then maybe it is time. i've heard both sides. i've eaten omnivorous & vegetarian & vegan - and vegan definitely feels best for me. and according to human physiology humans evolved as fruit eaters. POINT.
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
The article that Chet has on his website.
And you do realize that the china study isn't really that good of an "experiment".
"according to human physiology"
We have evolved to eat meat. Why else are we able to digest and obsorb nutrients from animal products?
And Jane Goodall is pretty crazy. I have heard all sides. Some vegans thrive on that diet while others get sick from it.
ironman711 2 years ago
all he says it "I believe this diet may cause serious problems long-term" wow! i am convinced to eat meat again after reading this! LOL he BELIEVES that this diet MAY cause problems! while it is PROVEN that eating too much animal products leads to ALL KIND of diseases!!!
the STUDIES i am talking about are made with thousands of ppl!
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
i said we are not the same as other animals. thats like saying a lion is the same as a deer because they are both animals! why dont u laugh at ur own stupidity? haha
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
what? did you even notice that you actually said that i am right? LOL
this is what i say: humans are different to other animals as a lion is not the same as a deer. that's right. but they all are part of the animal kingdom. (:
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
no u said that i am right. and u contradicted urself. humans are different thats why equating us to other animals is wrong.
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
ADA (American Dietetic Association - world's largest independent association of educated nutritionists) comes to the conclusion:
"Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood and adolescence. "
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
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vio11ro 2 years ago
Probably they want to help those animals who are no longer able to live on their own, because they have been caged all their life and don't know how to get food and a dry place to sleep.
And I didn't want to say something about hunting not being regulated, of course it is. I think in this case we missunderstood each other.
schattentropfen 2 years ago
Yet those animals are still somewhat caged up because they still have human interaction. Its ok to help TEACH the animals how to find food and a place to sleep, but it's NOT ok to keep them if you are saying they should be free. (not talking about you, just the people that are for farm "sancturaries")
ironman711 2 years ago
I agree with you, farm sancturaries should become we-help-teach-the-animals-how-to-find-food-and-a-place-to-sleep farms. (but actually I have no idea how to teach an overbred pig how to survive in the forest)
schattentropfen 2 years ago
Just teach them to find insects and vegetation that is edible. It's not that hard since pigs are smarter than dogs.
But most of those farm "sanctuaries" just keeps the animals for their own petting zoos.
ironman711 2 years ago
vegan is not about eating healthy food.
it's about loving everything that we see in the world. it's about caring for our planet and every creature.
seeing you talking about animals as if they were nothing else but food makes me sad.
schattentropfen 3 years ago
Yet its alright for other animals to eat other animals and treat them as food?
There's nothing wrong with eating animals just like there's nothing wrong with eating fruits and vegetables since they are alive before you eat them too.
ironman711 2 years ago
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schattentropfen 2 years ago
Many animals are hebivores and some others are not able to decide.(which i don't like, yeah you're right)
But We are able to choose our food, we are able to live a healthy and happy life without animal products and we can decide not to hurt anyone. It is not necessary to cage and kill these poor chickens, cows, ... .
schattentropfen 2 years ago
In my opinion vegetables and fruits don't suffer when they're eaten. Many berries only live on, because birds eat them and carry their seeds somewhere else and poo them out within their excrements. :)
Nevertheless I agree with you, fruits and vegetables are alive before I eat them, everything's alive in this world, think of the small bacteria right in front of you.
Our world is incredible , isn't it? :D
We should handle it carefully.
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schattentropfen 2 years ago
Exactly what I'm getting at. Just because someone eats an animal, doesn't necessarily make them bad. It's human nature to eat meat. I have said this before on another video but, if everyone in the world went vegan, there will always be a few people wanting to eat meat and will. Just like how there are people that dont want to eat animals now.
The native people respect the planet more than anyone else, and they eat meat. Just look at native americans.
ironman711 2 years ago
Jep, and even some of the native people refuse to eat meat.
But if someone in our society absolutely deserves to eat meat, then why can't he get it "the natural way", go and hunt it. It's just not fair to cage a creature and kill it after a while.
It should at least have the chance to feel what life could be.
schattentropfen 2 years ago
Obviously you dont know about FREE range animals, meaning they aren't caged up.
And there are thinks called OVER hunting. If everyone decided to hunt, a lot of animals will go extinct. Remember the dodo? It went extinct due to over hunting which is why people are regulated what they hunt. That's saying we are wise enough to NOT over hunt our food.
ironman711 2 years ago
Your "FREE range animals" are not free to go where they want and they are not free to run away from their hunters... sorry but this is still not fair, no way.
And hell, you seem to think I'm absolutely naive, thanks for that.. grr.. but do you really think that all people would go hunting and then there would be "OVER hunting"? Most of those businessmen wouldn't even think of doing it.
Nevertheless the hunting could still be regulated, couldn't it?
schattentropfen 2 years ago
They are as free range as those in farm "sanctuaries". Which I dont agree with since its just a petting zoo for vegans.
And they do regulate hunting. Why else are hunters only able to hunt so much and at certain times?
ironman711 2 years ago
in farm "sanctuaries" the animals are not going to be killed, thats the difference (and I don't think vegans save animals from suffering just to have a petting zoo, thats dumb). by the way, those farms would't be necessary if factory farming didn't exist.
And what you said about hunting - thats exactly what i meant, they regulate hunting and they can do it in the future, so you shouldn't be afraid of over hunting.
schattentropfen 2 years ago
Then why would vegans have animal "sanctuaries" when they want the animals to be free? A free animal doesnt have any interaction with humans, at all.
And I wasn't afraid of over hunting. I was just talking about what you said about hunting not being regulated, which it is.
ironman711 2 years ago
i am vegan and an animal rights activist and therefore i am totally against things like "petting zoo for vegans" as you call it, "ironman711"... why? because i want that other (non-human) animals can live a life in freedom!
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
Well i think cows would be extinct if we ate them like we do and didn't breed them into existance.
Bonsbooty 2 years ago
Actually, no.
ironman711 2 years ago
Yes, so why mass production?
Bonsbooty 2 years ago
Exactly. Why mass produce anything?
ironman711 2 years ago
"Well i think cows would be extinct if we ate them like we do and didn't breed them into existance"
That's like saying all vegetation will be gone if we didnt produce them as much as we do by how much we eat them.
ironman711 2 years ago
I still think they would..
There's a lot of humans these days.
Bonsbooty 2 years ago
Yea, and if we didnt help vegetation grow, there wouldnt be any edible vegetation left either.
ironman711 2 years ago
" if everyone in the world went vegan, there will always be a few people wanting to eat meat and will"
yeah, wow, think of that... how much pain and waste and destruction and suffering etc. would be diminished because of this! WOW!
there will also always be people who want to rape others, beat others, murder others. so, then i gess, in your view that's "natural" for humans to do. and that's why it's ok. what the fuck is wrong with you!?
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
oh, for many ppl a vegan diet is completely about HEALTH!
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roztrorostro 3 years ago
Ironman, stop trying to piss people off. So what if turning vegan may be a fad, as long as it helps the animals who are you to complain? eh?
Whorrors 3 years ago
im not trying to piss people off. im just saying my own opinion. and my opinion is eating meat doesnt hurt.
ironman711 3 years ago
Yes, fair enough. But you come onto a Vegan video to do so? That isn't fair.
Whorrors 3 years ago
haven't you seen how many vegans go on NON vegan videos calling people on there savages and murderers? that's fair?
ironman711 3 years ago
Sorry, I'm not aware of this. I don't go on 'non-vegan' videos. You're being just as rude though, aren't you? If you were that bothered, you wouldn't be so childish to come on here lecturing people. I'm not arguing with you or anything. I just think it's silly.
Whorrors 3 years ago
so its rude now to talk back to vegans that spread lies about eating meat?? now who's being silly.
ironman711 3 years ago
Not me, as I don't 'spread lies' As I'm sure many of the other vegans on this video don't, but you're just targeting people.
Whorrors 3 years ago
actually yes, many other vegans do spread lies and use multiple accounts to make it seem like other people agree with them. how pathetic lol.
i only tell vegans that it's our choice to eat meat or not. the same as it's our choice to eat veggies/fruit or not. humans can survive on either strict diets or a well balanced one.
ironman711 3 years ago
Well then surely you can understand why I'm replying to you all the time, I'm not one of these people. I don't have that much time on my hands, though apparently I do enough to reply to your comments all the time. Agree to disagree, because I'm bored of this argument now. aha.
Whorrors 3 years ago
yet you were the one who started this argument XD
you really are smart XD
ironman711 3 years ago
Actually, If you hadn't come on here to bash vegans we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we? !!!
Whorrors 3 years ago
yea, i wasn't bashing vegans. i was just saying eating meat isnt as bad as vegans say.
you were the one who started to converse with me.
ironman711 3 years ago
it depends on who you talk to. eating meat is not the healthiest option. It may not kill you, directly, but it is not really a smart food option if you are concerned with optimal health. So it is subjective. Some vegans say its horrible, some say its not healthy, some say its wrong. I say it is not necessary, period.
joethemusician 3 years ago
And the same for people that eat tofu.
Fish, chicken, and deer/other wild animals are the healthiest food option anyone can choose to eat.
im not against people not eating meat but those people shouldnt be against other people eating meat. that just shows they arent that open minded as they say they are.
ironman711 3 years ago
if someone kills or tortures animals, then yes, i will call him a murderer or sadist.
if someone beats a child or rapes another human being, then yes, i will stand up and say something against it.
if someone treats others bad because of their skin colour or/and acts obviously like a racist, then yes, i will do something against it.
i am against speciesism, sexism, racism, homophobia, fascism etc.
i am for FREEDOM.
and in order to ahieve this i use my right of freedom of speech.
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
* Dr Gill Langley, MA PhD MIBiol, author of Vegan Nutrition, UK
* Vesanto Melina, MS, RD, Co-author of Becoming Vegan
* Virginia Messina, MPH, RD, Co-author of the Dietitian's Guide to Vegetarian Diets
* Jack Norris, RD, Vegan Outreach director and author of Staying a Healthy Vegan and a B12 Review
* Dr John Wedderburn, MB, ChB, Founder of the Hong Kong Vegan Society
* Mark Rifkin, MS, RD, LDN
ironman711 3 years ago
BTW- Dr Gill Langley, MA PhD MIBiol, agrees with the fact that vegans live healthier life styles. He wrote a book based on it.
I am impressed though. You are a very smart person when it comes to Copy/paste and google!
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
hey, you asked me to list them and i did. dont get mad at me that i called your bluff ;)
BTW, if the vegan lifestyle is so good, then why is it unhealthy for babies/kids to go on the vegan diet? all dietry experts have said bringing up a baby or a kid on a strict vegan diet would make the kid malnourished. if the vegan diet is so healthy and natural, then why are the kids malnourished while on the strict vegan diet? ;)
ironman711 3 years ago
Are you kidding me? An infant gets most of his protein/B12/B6 and other nutrients from it's MOTHERS breast milk. A vegan mother's breast milk is healthier than that of a meat eater's breast milk. After the infant stage and after it's head/brain are completely developed, it's digestive system functions similarly to that of a teen or an adult.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
The proportion of DHA in erythrocyte total lipids of infants breast-fed by vegans was 1.9% compared with 3.7% in infants fed a milk formula containing butterfat as the sole source of fat and 6.2% in infants breast-fed by omnivores at 14 weeks postpartum. J Pediatr. 1992 Apr;120(4 Pt 2):S71-7
oh yea, a vegan's breast milk is totally healthier...
ironman711 3 years ago
Oh? Once again, you plagiarized right off of a website. A Women who eats meat contains toxins and unnatural amount of unneeded hormones inside her breast milk which is then dumped into her child. LOL you don't even know what Eryhtrocytes ARE- you stupid sheep. Again- I didn't mention fat in my previous statement. I said proteins and other vitamins. lipids were not included. Lipids are generally found in fatty foods which CAN be vegan.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
im sheep?
you're the one who are following others just because it's a "hip" new trend. helping the planet shouldn't be a trend like twilight. i've been wanting to help the planet since i was a little kid. can you say that? highly doubt it. lamb.
ironman711 3 years ago
I think you're confused as to what the figurative term "Sheep" really means.
I fight the majority- to stand up for what I believe in- yet I'm a sheep? I don't base my opinion on what I see purely in videos but what I've experience in life. Animal rights isn't a trend- it's a commitment; a goal, I guess you can say.
PS: I've always been out for helping the planet. Volunteered at many environmentalist occasions such as park/marsh clean ups and attended several demonstrations.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
if you're such an environmentalist, what do you live in? house/apartmen/condo etc..
ironman711 3 years ago
There is no relevance as to where I live. A house, though, for your argument's sake. What? Are you going to say? That because I live in a house I'm a hypocrite? I grew up in the house. I had no say in the matter. Whenever I went to build small structures (I.E. tables, cat posts, ladders, etc. etc.) I used recycled wood. I don't waste water, I don't waste electricity and I DON'T waste oil.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
seems like someone is guilty.
and yea, you are a hypocrite. houses gets built ontop of animals homes and forces them to go find another home or even kill them. the same if you drive a car. those roads you drive on were made ontop of animals homes as well. and there is not such thing as wasting electricity. electricity is an unlimited resource. you should have said you dont have a high electricity bill.
ironman711 3 years ago
Electricity, the way it's produced today, is NOT unlimited. It's produced by a complex generator powered by Oil, which actually is NOT a renewable resource.
and I built on top of the animal's homes? No, you're quite mistaken. Our american fore-fathers who raped the natives of their land and slaughtered their families- they're the one's who stole the land of the animals.
10,000 years ago in Mesopotamia is when this animal slaughter began and you could thank them! Because it'll bring death.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
so are you saying our forefathers built the highways and many other houses that weren't around back then? wow, so our forefathers were able to make the mansions of today. you are smart ;)
dont blame our forefathers for your own greed for luxury. you are even too spoiled to live off the land without help.
ironman711 3 years ago
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! You're an idiot. You have no clue what modern environmentalism is and are just spewing bullshit all over the place. Don't even bother commenting back you inbred retard.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
wow, just because i dont have the same opinion as you, im an inbred retard?? you make total sense.
maybe you should just give up with the whole holy than thou way of thinking and actually be open minded.
ironman711 3 years ago
Hooray for the double standard. First of all, you're the one that came on to a vegan vid and started trolling- SO, why don't YOU start by being open minded. Second- I'm not calling you an inbred retard because you're different but because you have absolutely NO argument. You're statements are sloppy and plagiarized. All you're doing is trying to defend you're right to eat meat. Which, I have no problem with but don't REJECT all other diets- specially if they're healthier and less cruel.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
for one, i wasn't trolling. i came on here to see a vegan video but i started seeing your posts saying eating meat isnt healthy, which is false. two, my argument is the same as yours so dont say mine is irrelevant since i have shown you a list of vegan doctors that even said the vegan diet isn't healthy. and there have been studies that show you shouldn't let a baby or kids go on a vegan diet cuz they would get a bone disease or wont even survive. all i'm saying if you want to be vegan...
ironman711 3 years ago
it's your CHOICE. just because someone eats meat doesn't make them unethical or unenvironmental or even cruel. if you think otherwise, you really are closed minded and ignorant. and i have talked to other vegans im private messages and they all have talked to me civilized and i have talked to them civilized. but it's people like you that give vegans/vegetarians look bad.
ironman711 3 years ago
Don't give me that shit. There are meat eaters that are far worse than I am. If I were to judge meat eaters just from the people I've met, I'd pretty much call them abominations- or human trash, something of the like. But yes, the meat industry is bad for the environment in a multiple of ways and it IS unethical. (here we go again). When there are alternatives to meat, those alternatives should be taken. Many of the smartest and well respected people in history would agree.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
and i know many veggie eaters that are far worse than i am. from how you talk, you really are a waste of sperm and egg. you really aren't an environmentalist if you argue online instead of actually helping the planet. you really are a moron lol
ironman711 3 years ago
Hey, I agree with you and love animals. People who are truly cruel should be persecuted. I am a meat eater, though. I believe that we were just meant to be that way. As in, if you locked up a human from birth to maturity and threw a steak in there, the human'd eat it for sure. I also believe the world is a cruel place, and that's just the way it is. We cannot change our nature as humans. We kill eachother and pilfer resources. We mean well and inadvertently destroy. That is just the way it is.
kevythedevil 2 years ago
you are a meat eater? so, after what you said YOU should be persecuited then!
humans are "meant" to be frutarians. seems like you don't have any idea of human physiology.
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
Listen, "kleinesvelichen" or whatever your name is. FACT is, the OVERWHELMING majority of humans are meat eaters. Even those who live in extreme seclusion and have never heard arguments such as yours. Therefore, cannot one clearly state that humans, as a species, are carnivorous, due to the fact that nearly all humans are meat eaters. If you suddenly figured out that 5% of great white sharks ate veggies, you wouldn't say they were "meant to eat veggies" would you? Despite their inner makings.
kevythedevil 2 years ago
haha, my name is right in front of you on the monitor and you're too stupid to copy it...
well, i do not know where you have your figures from, but obviously it's not a very well researched resource.
humans have the physiology of fruit eaters. take this example: give a rabbit and a banana to a hungry child. what do you think will happen? i guess, the child will kill the rabbit, suck its blood, eat flesh and bones and will play with the banana afterwards in your opinion?
this is stupid! THINK!
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
Wow. You're pretty rude. Anyhow, there's no need for research on what is so obvious. Most humans eat meat. Period. I don't need to research that any more than I need to research the notion that fat kids get picked on more or the notion that pretty girls get away with more. These things are obvious. A hungry child will put a golf ball in it's mouth if it's hungry. They don't know any better. Don't get me wrong, I love fruits and veggies, but people like you are closed minded.
kevythedevil 2 years ago
i am not closed minded, i am educated and use my brain.
you can say what you want, you can't change human evolution and/or your physiology. humans have developed as fruit eaters...
however, even if humans could live a healthy life as meat eaters, i would still refuse to eat dead animals. it is totally against my ethics.
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
I may be mistaken on this one, as I haven't "researched" it at all, but... I'd be willing to bet that at least some of the people that have lived to the ripe age of 100 years old have been meat eaters. Like I said, not sure about it but, I'd bet my wallet on it.
kevythedevil 2 years ago
@ kevythedevil:
as you said, you may be mistaken...
i recommend this book by john robbins:
"Healthy at 100: The Scientifically Proven Secrets of the World's Healthiest and Longest-Lived Peoples"
:)
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
there is also a good video here on youtube! search for "healthy at 100" and/or john robbins & you will find it!
i wanted to post the link here, but it did not work :/
kleinesveilchen 2 years ago
youre right. 60,000 of them as a matter of fact. and not a single vegan.
bigusdikus0 2 years ago
Calling my bluff? Since when is that my bluff? you googled veganism and dietitians and copy/pasted all the names you found. That's not calling anything. I still stand by my argument.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
"you googled veganism and dietitians and copy/pasted all the names you found" yea and?
those dietitians have been stated that the vegan diet isn't as healthy as everyone says.
ironman711 3 years ago
I don't understand why everyone argues so much... Veges/vegans Do fine without meat, what's more natural than eating things that havn't been slaughtered? Why do meat eaters insist on commenting on vegan videos? honestly, I couldn't imagine consuming something that once lived, that's not criticising anyone! Personal opinion. Why can't the people who disagree with our ways just stop making idiotic comments? and go watch something you actually want to watch.
Whorrors 3 years ago
actually, many vegans comment anti PETA videos all the time. and they also comment omnivore videos saying humans aren't omnivores but herbivores. most vegans(not all) on youtube think they are superior than people who eat meat. when some people live healthy lives eating just meat as well. people should just stfu about what others eat. we are omnivores. so we can eat veggies and meat or them by themselves.
ironman711 3 years ago
Of course people can be healthy eating meat! I'm just peeved because I'm not one of those snobby vegans, It's just silly when people come onto these videos just to make idiotic comments. It's not a funny subject, really.
Whorrors 3 years ago
well i just say let people eat whatever they want since humans are omnivores. whenever an elite vegan/vegetarian says humans aren't omnivores, i just say tell them people have been able to live long lives on just meat than people that eat just vegetation.
like i say, if you want to eat veggie, ok. if you want to eat meat, ok. just stfu if you want EVERYONE to eat like you. not everyone is the same.
ironman711 3 years ago
We are primarily veggy eaters. We ate meat when needed, yes- only to survive. However, physiology and history tells us that our main source of nutrition was always vegetation. And there's a difference between HUNTING, and TOTALITARIAN AGRICULTURE.
This movement isn't about you or me. It's strictly about the animals. We are highly capable of surviving without meat. I've asked cartiologists, dietitians and doctors. All said they were willing to give up meat. Many of them only eat fish.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
vegetation was only eaten when human wasn't able to get meat. our physiology is really a mix of carnivorous and herbivorous. hence, we are omnivores.
"All said they were willing to give up meat. Many of them only eat fish" fish is still meat. i know some of you vegans/vegetarians think fish isnt meat but it is.
ironman711 3 years ago
First of all, whether fish is meat or not, isn't the issue.. and I never said they were vegans or vegetarians. I said they were omnivores who wouldn't mind giving up meat.
"vegetation was only eaten when human wasn't able to get meat. our physiology is really a mix of carnivorous and herbivorous. hence, we are omnivores." Really? You must have fooled all of those geneticists.
Meat was only eaten when vegetation wasn't readily available or a group was nomadic.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
"Meat was only eaten when vegetation wasn't readily available or a group was nomadic" really? you must be smarter than everyone else who is a geneticists that have said the only reason humans at vegetation is because early humans weren't able to get meat. but you must be smart, so you have to be right. ;)
ironman711 3 years ago
"but you must be smart, so you have to be right. ;) " THANK YOU. Finally...
The human physiology proves that our main source of nutrition was meant to be Veggies.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
you do know i was being sarcastic, right?
the human physiology proves that our other main source of nutrition was meant to be meat. you must be oblivious to the facts. it's really sad and pathetic.
ironman711 3 years ago
Our OTHER main source? There's only one main source you dunce. Meat enables man to survive when dinner wasn't a definite part of your daily routine. Your body is able to store the fats and slowly break them down- Just like carbohydrates. Grains and breads give you a lot of energy. The only real facts that state we ate meat are:
-The diet of chimpanzees (Main source of diet are fruits and veggies).
-And our teeth. We have a few teeth that are used for tearing.
You clearly are unintelligent.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
Man has always had some sort of society. You think we just walked around alone all day? No you mentally challenged prick, we've always lived in groups. And there has always been some sort of "society" affect. Nazi research. Lmfao that ACTUALLY made laugh. I'll have to thank you for that. Haven't laughed that hard yet today.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
Yes, nazi, Hitler was a vegan and wanted to push his beliefs onto others, just like you nazis. And as far as society, then sure, people did stick in groups at SOME point in history, heck it's the only way they could HUNT for food ;)
easternslavic 3 years ago
Hitler was NOT a vegan and would you continue to do something that primitive cave men would do? 'Cause that's obviously what you are. Extremely primitive. you're saying we need meat while we clearly don't. A misunderstanding that's been around for a very long time. Now, don't bother responding - cause I don't enjoy talking brick walls, thus, I'm not responding anymore.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
Primitive cavemen are humans that think like animals. They eat out of instinct, therefore through them we can know what we can and can't eat. A true herbivore would never eat meat, not even to survive, it just couldn't process the meat. We clearly do need to eat, and eating meat is one of the things we eat.
easternslavic 3 years ago
First of all, any animal, when deprived of food, would eat anything. This is fucking hilarious. And any meat, however you cook it, still does harm to your body. Go take an advanced bio/organic chem course. MAYBE you'll understand. Doubt you're smart enough.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
Humans weren't always deprived of food, meat wasn't a last choice, it was their first. Our primary diet was meat. No, meat does not harm your body, more bullshit regurgitated from a stupid vegan PETA fan (don't deny it)
easternslavic 3 years ago
Meat does harm your body. Was proved by meat eaters them selves. You're just fucking stupid (don't deny it). I'm not a peta fan. I'm an ALF/ELF fan. And show me proof that meat was always humans first choice of diet. Cause science isn't looking so good on your side. Science is always based on fact, just in case you're too unintelligent to know that.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
How does it harm the body you? don't deny your spewing shit like all terrorists. Yeah that's right, ALF is a terrorist orginization, using violence to get their way, and you're a nutjob. Show you proof? neanderthals were top predators, it's sceintific proof. Science also says that humans went for the most calorie dense food (animal fat) and no shit, it's survival. Sceince isn't good on my side? gtfo you tool.
easternslavic 3 years ago
everything you said there was false. Again, I have science on my side. And if they're a terrorist organization, then you're just a fucking pussy.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
Bla bla bla there you go again saying science is on your side and avoiding all my questions. You are a tool, you don't know ANYTHING and you so far have proved NOTHING. You..fail.
easternslavic 3 years ago
I have no obligation for answering your questions because I've answered them all before and you keep repeating them, therefore, g'day <3
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
No, you did not answer the following-
1. HOW is meat bad for you?
2. HOW does it harm you body
3. What proof do you have of all your claims?
4. How can you deny that meat is our natural diet?
I don't expect you to answer these. G'day..mate.
easternslavic 3 years ago
"And if they're a terrorist organization, then you're just a fucking pussy" i guess teaching kids how to make bombs doesn't qualify as a terrorist group...gotcha.
ironman711 3 years ago
They don't teach children, they teach college students.
The Military recruits HIGH SCHOOL students and JUNIOR HIGH students who are then tought to kill people. What's the difference? Both are fighting for a cause- 'cept ALF isn't hurting anyone... well, financially yes.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
but the military teaches kids how to defend themselves. ALF teaches kids to BOMB buildings. and they do hurt people. how would you feel if someone from ALF bombed your house when you werent home? happy? i bet ;)
ironman711 3 years ago
You stupid sheep. They only destroy the property of C.E.O's of corporations and the actual business buildings. Those that torture animals deserve it.
stopanimalcruelty111 3 years ago
well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.
you are as much of sheep as anyone else. EVERYONE in this world are sheep. people follow people all the time. you think you aren't sheep yet you are following a ter