Inside Story - The Madoff Scandal - Dec 17 - Part 1

[Glinkaism1]

She has a big schnoze.

[obaidCarkey]

why is a guy from skopje in macedonia telling us what happened in new york?

[ujgilani]

his so called strategy Split strike conversion.. but in reality nothing just money cycle hmmm

nice evil thinker

[ntn1987]

Now please do the same story on Social Security

[zobielamouche1]

does someone really think it's a coincidence that both madoff and chodorkovski are jewish?!

[Truong1800]

now i know why my mom like to buy gold when she have money

[kingpoe1]

he did what banks are doing for ages...!

[zsezse215]

Philip Markoff was the Craigslist Killer in Boston. Bernie Madoff perpetrated a Ponzi scheme. Now Mark Madoff has commited suicide. Philip Markoff committed suicide earlier this year. This is all BS. Cover stories. Here is the real story. philipnute com

The Ponzi scheme was a way to explain why people from Palm Beach Florida left the country.

I am not just an unperson in The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, I am an unhuman on the third asylum from the sun. One of millions.

[smith077906]

He 'Madoff' wıth the dough

[reefergladness]

i beg to differ - paying $11.50 to see The Phantom Menace is the biggest financial scandal in history

[returnoftheramble3]

Then... we have to pay for him to go to a luxury prison, but it's my fault...

[meis]

so we all are living in the ponzi planet and not earth? awesome!

[AresCassell]

Why are people hating Madoff so much? He just conned a bunch of other Jews.

[RoberLayton]

Craig Gutowsky 44 of 19 S. Mt Clair Court Cary, Illinois was charged in a Illinois Ponzi Scheme.PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS -VS- Craig Gutowsky Gutowsky is out on $150,000 bond selling cars at Elite Motors

822 N. Lake St.Mundelein IL, 60060 and can be reached 847-949-9933.

Phillip J Abbinanti & Judith M Abbinanti

390 Town Place Circle Bufallo Grove illinois paid the $15000. dollars bail for Craig Gutowsky to be released from the Du Page County Illinois jail in January 2010

[RoberLayton]

PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS -VS- CRAIG GUTOWSKY

Info on the Arrest of Craig Gutowsky

PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS -VS- Craig Gutowsky

Case Summary Details Case Details

Case Number 2010CF000225 Must Appear*

You have to appear in court on the next court date. Next Court Date 06-30-2010

File Date 01-28-2010 Next Court Location COURTROOM 4010

Case Title PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS -VS- CRAIG GUTOWSKY Next Court Time 09:00 AM

Renee Gutowsky was not yet charged .

[centurion180ad]

Given the system, Bernie ought to be set free and the treasury ought to give him free Dollars to bail him out of his losses. The bailouts are nothing but a Grand Fraud, a huge plundering the largest robbery in Human History, that is paying off 1.5 QUADRILLION Dollars worth of losses in Derivatives that were set-up in advance to devalue and implode the world economy.

[centurion180ad]

Regulatory bodies have only 1 function, and that is to protect the criminals from their victims. If lawyers write a law against something, it is because they are already doing it and don't want any competition from slaves.

[00193900]

I know where the money went and why the Fed will NOT persue it! Any guesses?

[szol2005]

"and why the Fed will NOT persue it!"

Easy!

They have a printer, so why bother... Ok, what did I win?

[centurion180ad]

@szol2005 Set Bernie free! By the rules he is too big to fail, while slaves that pay for bailouts of TRILLIONAIRES are too small to save.

[adamfarkas11]

At that point, the rich animals are taking some goods from us.

[adamfarkas11]

As Ron Paul stated.:The super riches, and snobs are the failure of the free market. It' s time to solve this problem, once and for all.

God is on our side.

[dream2last]

he only ripped of rich, so that is good

[fixingbraincell]

he ripped off charity funds, too

[bishoplord]

He only ripped off the super rich so he could get more money. That's not good at all. That's beyond greedy.

[nametroubles]

How rich do you need to be before you'll fall for the oldest tricks in the book?

[MicrosoftHelpDesk]

lol. December 17 is my birthday.

[7boon]

Uhh...did overregulation force Bernie Madoff to start running the massive scam?

[nametroubles]

yeah! just like how the poor job market made me rob a bank *eyes roll*

[jacobins3000]

Those people needed to be pretty stupid to fall for something like this. What kind of investment works "by invitation only"? and what kind of stock investment never loses money or fluctuates with the market? did these idiots seriously never check which stocks they actually owned and how they were preforming on the market?

[spyknife]

Jews are greedy and dumb and Madoff took advantage of their greed. HAHAHAHAHA.

LONG LIVE MADOFF !!!

[shaggydaplaya]

I think people should start looking at the big picture. If value goes up here then it must be going down somewhere else. The fact that some people are super rich throws everything off balance, im sure you've heard that 10% of the world's pop has 90% of the wealth(approx), so the majority of the wealth is controlled and not divided evenly. The rich are only getting richer through these schemes and through investment. The idea of interest and future value is what causes all of this.

[thisissick22]

the idea that there is a finite quantity of wealth in the world is false. someone making money does not mean someone is losing an equal amount.

[Kin94285]

ur a dumbass and u shouldnt try to talk about anything related to economics. It's not a zero sum game. The world didnt start out as super advanced with people giving out technologies left and right. Just because u have it now doesnt mean u took it away from somebody else last time.

ur a dumbass.

[adamfarkas11]

Not in any case, I guess.

First of all scarcity is a main factor in economy. It's the only reason at all, we need economy. I guess, it's a zero sum game at the PPS diagram. When economy is at it's maximum efficiency. Of course, this line could be pushed out due research and development. That' s my point of view. At that point, the goods from us. Like Soros, or this asshole. At a perfectly competitve market (perfect system at all), they shouldnt even exist.

[JohnnyRock2000]

When you hear this argument get spun into the fact that the government runs ponzi scheme...it's a misdirection with the goal to minimize the crime. All the SEC had to do by the way was ask to see Madoff's INVESTMENTS. There weren't any.

[JohnnyRock2000]

Jews. When they are speaking, they are lying. When they are quiet they are stealing.

[BenetFleck]

Ha! No more furs for Katinka!

[batfly]

To para-phrase Peter Schiff "The World loans money to America believing that the American Economy is viable when in reality it too is just a Ponzi Scheme just like Madoff"s."

Do you all know what this means?

WOW!

World Wars start this way.

[zenmachine50]

the US government sells bonds in which it has no hope of paying back the principle

they can pay the interest but not the principle

what the government will do is just print money to pay for things.

[PLISKEN12]

i think only one thing can save us now ,"live within your means people !" tear up those credit cards !

[batfly]

I know this may seem counter intuitive but if everyone did this... The world economy would totally collapse. The world economy can only continue if credit is continually created and spread.

A collapse is inevitable is any event... It is debatable if sooner is better than later.

[PLISKEN12]

it's like "i wanna be rich satan, not just rich but world class rich i want to be up there w/ the likes of bill gates !"

[PLISKEN12]

oh god looks like satan really took residence in this country, people passing bad loans, ponzi schemes, the u.s. sucking up the entire world, too many giant companies defrauding its investors by lying about their finances, what was that movie "wallstreet" where mr gecko saying "greed is good" and it will save this institution we call the united states, looks like

they took his advice.

[PLISKEN12]

thats why the world is angry at the usa. i see it ticking, this country is the only nation whose currency is based on the world's confidence in its economy. all the while its just a ponzi scheme... wow.....! its like a big fat freeloader !

[bgterra]

my favorite video

[RusselBertrand]

LOL the first guy blames over regulation...WTF

[gmn59647]

What's the point of these people, let madoff go because they think the gov't is doing similar things?

[rubut]

US is under a ponzi scheme borrowing money from a private enterprise (fedbank) with debts bigger than their money in circulation and the way to pay the debt is to borrow money from the same private enterprise making the debt bigger.

US is just under the mercy of a force they don't even see.

wake up corporate america. liberty died years ago

[mookixox]

Finally someone who knows what is really going on in america...wake up americans get rid of your u.s currency before it turns into expensive toilet paper...

[pixelator30]

Saying that these investors "deluded themselves" is an oversimplification. 10% is not that much higher yield than normal. Madoff was a prominent member of the wall street community. Investors believed that he has inside knowledge, skills, and information which makes his yields possible.

[mostviewed2009]

madoff Enjoyed allot of that monney mmmm, hes just taking a nap now when hes ready he just whistles

he will get allot of soldiers around him he will get the finest faggots in jail and he i think some wanna break him out for a little cash

he will buy all the penn employers

damn ya will hear and see how currupt this world is

[sexyarif]

The Hebrew word for charity is "tzedakah." But it means something more, too: doing the righteous thing.

Many of the investors allegedly swindled by Wall Street money manager Bernard Madoff are, like him, Jewish, and for many of them, contributing to Jewish causes is a crucial part of their culture. The effect of their losses on the Jewish philanthropic world is being seen as nothing less than catastrophic

[ananiasacts]

Religion has the biggest ponzi scheme going. The only reason they haven't been caught is because they don't promise to pay you off until after you're dead. Bernie just made that one mistake.

[youtubbinh]

you will be dead anyway, oneday. why not invest?

If religion is a ponzi scheme, religious people are just the same as you, meaning we all have nothing.

but what if religion is not a ponzi scheme?

[ananiasacts]

Then I guess you end up having to spend an eternity with the god of Abraham and the sort of people who would worship an entity of that sort.

[poparozi]

And to think somewhere, some old fart is looking at his wife while she's wearing a fur coat at a expensive dinner and he's thinking to himself, "We're going to have to sell that".

[wonderpaki]

I suspect we soon will see an American Hitler.

[777mat82777]

madoff is jewish, dont forget

[ariaane]

Yep- but Peter Schiff is also Jewish, so I don't get what you're implying...

[youtubbinh]

how about roughly 30~ of all nobel prize winner being Jewish.

I can say that some one you know was saved by Jewish inventions in medicine.

Stop being racist and judge each individual on their action.

[cadavari]

Is it just me or is the presenter (anchor) really hot!?

[episteme420]

she is a dime piece

[MisterEdTomBell]

smoking

[hamgtw]

richardmullins, he was not 'earning' anything.

[richardmullins44]

was it a fraud? he was earning, let us guess, 12% p.a. for his clients. Eventually, his luck ran out. But why is this considered to be fraud?

[shazykaliye]

bcoz he put the investors' money 2 private use and used da new investors' money 2 pay off the old investors so wen he had no more new investors, he had no money 2 pay the old investors so infact he wasnt yielding and returns 4 his clients, he was jus rotatin their money amongst themselves which is a fraudulent activity.

[uturniaphobic]

bet income tax refunds get delayed this year.

another blatant rip-off. It never fails though people love refunds. We should be saying HEY! For 4 to 16 months.you had all the tax money I have paid all last year BY LAW you (the IRS) owe me a few interest payments?

and I might add penalties too!

[shazykaliye]

lol....

[truemanchu]

Unusual for a man of the jewish faith to be involved in massive financial fraud. This must be the first such case in history

[JohnnyRock2000]

Canada's SEC in notoriously in-effective.

I cannot remember hearing of any criminal charge of any stockbroker in Canada.

Even Canadian swindlers like Conrad Black and Garth Drabinsky were only arrested and charged in the U.S.

[bykashka75]

i made money out of Madoff. So what should i do?

[insanesugarpain]

Breathe a sigh of relief :)

[zzzbbb123456]

Expect a call from the Federal Prosecuters.

Its made through an illegal entreprise.

My guess all profit will be seized collected and reditributed to all victims.

[bykashka75]

i didn't know it was illigal enterprise. its not my fault that Federal Prosecutors blow dick and not their job. i will never give out money. if i knew that it was illigal enterprise and pull money out then they can try to do something but i didn't . So my guees im a bit lucky then the rest.

[evarojas]

all of the sudden is about being "jew" " white" and those negative slurs have nothing to do with this.

By the way, I heard someone put this in a simple way:" You can't get something for nothing". People finally are waking up from the illusion that they can make money by doing nothing. The old " Why work for your money , when you can put your money to work for you". watch the documentary " Money as Debt" by Paul Grignon. It's the most explanatory and didactic movie on the subject.

[archiebunkerfan]

It is free enterprise and trade...you snooze you lose.

After purchasing my shares in public company the next day I have called Investor's relation firm to ask all bunch of questions and put me on the list for Annual report. Not even one of those sufferers have done that, they all received fictional reports from Madoff. Again US Taxpayers will pick up their stupid bill here.

[archiebunkerfan]

Have you heard the US Government will set up a special Fund for these unlucky investors regarding Madoff deceit case.

Why Government will not every US Citizen and every business, it is only fair.

[movement26]

Cash is king..do what grandma said...keep it under the mattress...Financial regulators don't know a euro from your ass.

[francoisgrenier]

@movement26 honnestly , selling drug is far less of a risk, at least you know the consequence from the start.

[tubebellator]

@movement26 mattresses burn very well

[shanie2711]

You see how quickly Jewish people are no longer white...You white people trusted him so what does that make you...idoits.

[DonTonyS]

Vindication to gentiles who have suffered the rape of the jewish financier. The two-headed snake ate its own.

[scorzeny45]

THE names involved sounds like the guest list at a jewish wedding.I bet not one of them ever thought it worthy to serve in the us military for thier country.I GUESS THATS FOR OTHERS TO DO[ IRISH AMERICANS,POOR SOUTHERN WHITES]. mOST JEWISH AMERICANS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE IN VIETNAM BY CLAIMING college deferment status. NOT FAIR,DISGRACEFUL.WHY should others have to do the dirty work ,while they maximize profits.JERKS LIKE CHARLES SCHUMMER,BARNEY FRANK,BLOOMBURG ETC.

[rizzlake1]

Doesn't the US Government work on a ponzi scheme?

[odaymustdie]

@rizzlake1 stealing from the poor is okay, but stealing from the rich is despicable.  Thats why Madoff is defamed and US governemtn isnt.

[kingdave7]

@rizzlake1 shh, theyre watching...

[DonTonyS]

"Broke jews". Has a great ring doesn't it?

[radon1234567]

dont trust a jew with your money!

[NorceCodine]

Finally, somebody is saying that EVERY investment operation is a Ponzi-scheme. There is nothing wrong with Ponzi-schemes, every bank operates that way! The US pays off debt to Japan with a loan from China for God's sake. Madoff only made the mistake that he failed to hire thousands of smart smooth-talking people (like other investment companies do at this size) to keep the money flowing in. If you have 10 employees like Madoff had, you cant't bring in a 100 new investors every week.

[potterword]

Much agape love for EVERY jewish person in the world! May The Lord Jesus Christ save Mr. Madoff and his house. Jewish people rule!

[liq6uid]

FUCKING JEWS

[liq6uid]

FUCKING JEW

[ecpasos]

Let's stop these adolescent remarks please.

[JohnnyRock2000]

Just in case anyone wonders what 50 billion of anything is...

50 billion grains of salt = 50 bathtubs full of salt

50 billion dollar bills would fill a football stadium to a depth of over 30 feet.

And Madoff did this all on his own? And it's all gone?

[JohnnyRock2000]

The business was a family business. Madoff's two sons, daughter, wife, brother and niece worked there.

Madoff said he did it all on his own.

[lanaar2]

Notice how Schiff always says the same things over and over in every interview, no matter what the question is, he will start talking about inflation, government debt, bad government, over consumption, bubbles, dollar erosion, etc.

[jonra3415]

Ripped 'em off, but US taxpayer is going to re-imburse them, and where do you think the $50 bn has gone? His tribe! And where do you think it came from - us of course , so they've screwed us three times round, but only for billions, now they're going for trillions.

[ZedAlfa273]

jonra3415 is right, there's going to be outcry by all the people scammed to get reimbursed from the $700 billion 'bail-out'.

jonra3415 is also correct about Madoff's tribe, don't bother looking for the money, its in Israel.

[kalcom2]

Nice one bernie - you ripped off the smug and greedy who thought they were part of an elite group

[joferr37]

If i were Bernie Madoff, i will hide in a cave before someone take away his life because rich people can hire a hit man to kill him. Regarless, Mr Madoff is a dead man walking, and his soul going to hell. Just recently, a fund manager killed himself because his investors have lost over a billion dollars of investment due to Mr Madoff's corruption. I hope he will rot and die in prison then go to hell after life.

[GodsReflex]

Peter Schiff say's it like it is, that man is my idol!

[Hegemoner]

Just wait until the Chinese and the Arabs stop supporting the US economy and the American dollar goes bad. That's when the doodoo will really hit the fan!

[xldjvista]

Never underestimate the power of appearence. I'm sure that if you would have put my picture up next to his before the scandal broke and say "One of these men is a thief, which one is it?", everybody would point to me. Keep grouping people in convenient little stereotypes and things like this will keep happening.

[GaryNull]

nasty fucking jews

[TBonePickensetc]

As yet, the only organization on the North American Continent which has analyzed this problem correctly and faced its implications squarely is Technocracy, Inc. When the public was told that prosperity was just around the corner,' that we were, having merely another turn of the 'business cycle,' that technological unemployment was nonexistent and, in the nature of things, impossible, it was Technocracy that pointed out the correct nature of the situation. Technology destroys the Price System.

[hugolp]

Peter Schiff is great.

[colossus8000]

Give me a break. blagojevich tries to sell a senate seat just last week - I don't hear anybody attacking christians because of that ....

this is hypocrisy, to single out jews because of one jewish fraud and sociopath. guess what, we're all people.

I spent the past 15 years working to improve the educational system and guess what - i'm jewish. was anyone in your family cured from polio? guess what - you owe their life to a jew. grow up people. G-d spread the good and bad around the human race.

[WorldWarTwoSELLER]

dude. i agree with you. bernie is a hero. i am jewish. look bernie he has to feed hisself and his family just like everybody else. BERNIE IS COOL AND A HERO!!!

[tenkkid]

He need to feed himself with... $50b? You and scum like him are rotting from the inside out. One good that will come out from this is that sooner or later people will wake up and destory YOU and Your Hero(s).

[blite13]

You hit on the head, perfect. They get around it by crying antisemite, just another thing the Khazarian jews reaped from WWII. The whole world is scared of offending the jew, meanwhile they use it to plunder and rape countries of their riches. What a messed up world and most don't even have the guts to find out the truth. Bunch of pussywhipped societies that better wake up to who the true enemy is. Arabs have it right and guess who the press push everyday as the enemy, the world is upside down.

[blite13]

This is all proof that America is near the end of it's collapse. These scum are raping what is left. America, you are finished, the evil doers , khazarin jews, have raped your country. Just like they have to all countries they have infiltrated and destroyed.

[BonMache123]

This story illustrates the tight neat community of wealth, money management and power in the United States. It also illustrates the importance of diversity in more ways than one. I do not feel sorry for the super rich who lost their shirts. Too bad, so sad, so sorry. Next!

[JohnnyRock2000]

It's a little ridiculous to suggest that potential investors should have recognized that Madoff was a crook. Why? Because he paid out 10% each year for decades? The government and surely the taxmen were the ones that were looking at his books each year. They must have seen the house of cards.

[lou737]

Madoff Moved The

Money To Israel

Amount May Be Closer To $100 Billion

Another jews rips off the USA. JEWS WHO INVESTED WITH MADOFF GET THE MONEY REFUNDED TO THEM IN ISRAEL

[ballaamir]

Yet another ZIONIST whom is doing us a favor and showing his & his people's true colors to the rest of the world..... when will the west wake up...

[markshelton411]

Yeah and Jerry springer too! And they tricked Sammy Davis into converting!

[1diocracy]

Note how she mentioned that 'Ponzi' was Italian, but not once in this video was it mentioned that Madoff is a Jew and an Israeli citizen.

All of the guests on this show are Jews. Is Al'Jazeera trying to go 'Jewstream'? Don't. Trumpet the truth, and stop catering to the Jews and British nincompoops. There is a larger world out there. A world that is tired of hearing the same Jewish lies over and over again.

[1diocracy]

They're all Jews. This is all coincidence, or vicious anti-semitism, however. Go back to sleep, as the destruction of your entire economy is no cause for anti-Jewish sentiment.

[NEKO2BOT]

Before we all laugh at old Jews losing money let's calculate the chance that American taxpayers will end up paying the bill!

I just heard a guy on internet radio named Larry Nichols say that the SEC will take the fall for all of this and cover what the investors lost.

Remember, if the Jews do it, it is not a crime.

[1diocracy]

Let's keep the focus on the little man, the auto workers, and the Unions, and not on God's chosen thieves.

[falcon2154]

The US economy is a Ponzi scheme. We borrow to consume. And the only way we can pay off existing debt is by borrowing from new creditors. These geniuses over analyze this latest jew criminal and overlook the biggest scheme of them all.

[mickiandalusia]

NATHAN ROTHSCHILD had bought control of the British economy through his ingenious LIE: "Wellington has lost at Waterloo." That was the biggest ripoff in the eighteenth century.

The beginning of the jewish dominance of the world money/stockechange system.

And today it is only topped by Bernard MADOFF, who took 50 billions $ away. Nomen est omen:

MAD-OFF !!! And what the jewish controlled mass media never like to mention is, that´s again a JEW. And Mister Spielberg...lol ! also lost a lot.

[1diocracy]

What's interesting about it is, the British elite was so corrupt and stupid, it went along with it instead of arresting the Jewish thieves.

[USAFcrypto]

LOL! I love Peter, but I hope he has a security detail. Here he is on a foreign news network exposing the US Government's Ponzi scheme. I'd be having someone else go out to start up my car.

[TvMorocco]

too bad for him he did not made it to israel with the bounty

[Mxyzptlk562]

And it sounds like another case of having the wolf guarding the hen house. The authorities should have caught on to this a long, long time ago. But since he was in the same bed as the SEC, they looked the other way. So sad for the people who will never see their money again.

[Mxyzptlk562]

Sounds like he ripped off everyone...not just Jews.

[paramind]

People have to develop more complexity of thought. A Ponzi scheme is not at play in Social Security, it operates in a different situation, one of obvious fraud. Social Security operates the way it does out of necessity, to provide for people at a certain time. For the U.S. government to spend recklessly is also a different thing. All economy must be based on virtue and real values, and that's the only way they can function properly.

[covertcovenant]

I wouldnt go as far as blaming all Jews because of some greedy people.

[blite13]

Khazarian jews, they are the true sons of satan. Zionist scum , think they are the chosen ones and scream anti semite anytime you mention they are a jew. They are converted jews yet the scream anti semite. They are the kings of deceit and Jesus said in the Bible that they are not the son of God but they are the son of satan.

[covertcovenant]

Well I am not for stereotypes, and try hard from keeping myself falling into that very common human desire to generalize. But I can say I met a Russian Jew myself, whom I just had intellectual conversation with, and the person said that there were no Palestinians, that Palestine was all desert, and that its the Jews that cultivated the land and the Arabs came from the surrounding countries. Now that to me is just a racist Zionist ignorant radical intolerant person. I hope that people will learn.

[wallydupa]

Good job Americans. You are now being robbed in daylight under your noses.

[leepakim]

Maryamme is cute.

[Edinaldo08]

Like the schemes she is too good to be true. They probably made her up on computer.

[Badjohn007]

Madoff obviously was assumed to be a legitimate businessman. Had he been black his every move would've been scrutinized but he wasn't and he received the benefit of doubt that seems to be his birthright. Predujice costs EVERYONE eventually. Affirmative action in criminal activity is a luxury people of European descent enjoy like no other. The constant parade of petty criminals of color in the media provides the perfect distraction and cover for the biggest criminals and gangsters in the world.

[ubuibiok]

It's the Economy, Stupid.

[luciodelgado]

Peter Schiff!, we see him more often in the new now. He's close to reality.

[toosinbeymen]

The first thing Peter Schiff does is to complain about too much regulation. What a moron. He'll never get it but just repeats the talking points he and other business types always repeat. They want small government but then complain when agencies are cut back so far that they don't have the resources to do their jobs.

This is also what happens when the rules are written by the representative of the firms the regulations are intended for as they were for 8 years of bush.

[stevebully]

A good lawyer

[phreakoutaston]

i know, an absolute failure in financial regulation. hard to imagine that not long ago, the likes of McCain was advocating financial deregulation.

[rossyboy1000]

If that was any of us we would be in jail.He gets a curfew till his courtcase!!!!

[rossyboy1000]

Another jew criminal

[phreakoutaston]

another racist anti-semite...

[rossyboy1000]

The facts are right under your nose aston.Check them out on your own.

[justinjkd]

Damn, and I thought Jews were good with money.

[adolescentLady]

HSBC got owned! how the fuck madoff so smooth conning the big name? or the big name didnt do research before investing? or they ignore it bcoz the money is just too good..