if you spare them since they let you know there alive and well and they tell you they will help you in the ''against the coming darkness'' i hope they will be an ally in mass effect 3 because that will the galaxy's at war and everyone's fighting to surive
After having played through Mass Effect 1 and 2 about 20x over I've come to hate the paragon/renegade system. I think that you should be able to be your own person. The fact that to do certain things you need an certain level of paragon or renegade means that you have to be completely good and a little blonde, or an absolute a-hole that ruins things for everyone. Sometimes the renegade decision, though harsh, is the right choice for that scenario.
Well said. I think you're right. It's exactly what I think too. However, sometimes, playing devil's advocate and having a heated debate is simply way to fun. ;-)
Also, I know that the leaked script is not 100% trustworthy. But I've also seen screenshots of indoctrinated rachni. So I'm pretty sure they're there. We'll see.
I realize this is rather late to reply, but I just thought of something else.
Sometimes movie or game developers change their minds BECAUSE of the "leak," and sometimes they even make a FAKE "leak."
The Empire Strikes Back for example. Originally, George Lucas "leaked" that Obi-Wan killed Luke's father. That's what Mark Hamill and the actor in the Vader suit were told just before filming.
Darth Vader actually BEING Luke's father was a planned last-minute switch.
PS: I'll stop trolling you now, because I\m actually starting to feel sorry for you. After all you can't help it that you're such a naive little girl. :-) You do realize that I've been trolling you since the very beginning, right?
Anyway, I actually let the rachni live in my first ME1 playthrough. So yeah, I was, indeed, just trolling since the beginning.
However, I do know the rachni will turn on us in ME3, but I'll just kick their asses with my Vanguard's Charge ability. :-)
I let her live because she had no part in the original war and had not been indoctrinated. As she stated, she had no knowledge of the war or what caused it, only the songs and voices she heard in her egg. Besides, if she did turn out for the worst, I wouldn't believe a second war to eradicate the species would be as difficult seeing as how the numbers are far less than the first.
I'm not going to say it's heartless to kill the queen, but I will say that, if you save her, you meet an asari on Illium that the queen save. She sends you a message through the asari and almost proves that saving her is a good, tactical choice, as she's raising an army to fight the Reapers along-side Shephard. And I bet that, even if you kill the queen, you'll encounter a few indocterinated queens in ME 3.
@p90xsteroids They're not. That's why the first Rachni War began in the first place. According to the queen, rachni are a naturally peaceful species. The reapers indoctrinated them an attempted to use them as weapons.
And they will do so again. The rachni will be tools for the reapers once again in ME3. I'm pretty sure of this after having read the ME3 leaked draft script. Maybe you'll also get Rachni allies, but you're definitely going to get Rachni enemies. Boy, am I glad I killed the Rachni back in ME1 when I had the chance. :-)
"what if they're lying" is a really shitty position to take, and it's no way to live. What about things and people that dont operate on our level of deception and secrecy? we're supposed to hold them to our standards? what if she's telling the truth? what if they're a victim and a beautiful civilization? just wipe them out to be safe? that's so primitive
Ah yes, "name calling". I understand both sides of the argument quite clearly, but in the end, I couldn't condemn the Queen for something she MIGHT do. Especially when there's indication the Rachni were indoctrinated. True, they can be indoctrinated again... Well, who's to say anyone else can't?
---ME3 SPOILER---
There's proof out the right now that a certain secret organization from ME2 is indoctrinated now too.
My first playthrough i killed her because i didnt trust her, but on my second i let her live to see what happened. Then in ME2 you find someone who says the Rachni will help you
at first the rachni creeped the hell outta me, after seeing the queen tho i thought: "hm....would be kinda badass to see these things tear the reapers a new one, i'll let em live." even on my renegade playthrough i couldnt kill her. altho if they do turn on me, i'll be sure to throw that turian council member to them first. i hate that guy...-_-'
To those who saved her, I don't blame any of you, but consider this:
During the Rachni Wars, the Rachni didn't want to cause what happened, but it happened. On Noveria, they fought you because they were being indoctrinated. If you save them, why can't they get indoctrinated again? They could end up getting indoctrinated again by the Reapers, then they'll start a fight with the Krogan.Entanglement=vulnerable to Reapers
I saved the Queen and cured the genophage, but...it's a serious question.
I saved the Rachni on my first playthrough. Way I see it she was just an egg who had no part in the Rachni war. Moment she open her eyes she was treated not as a child but a mere guinea pig to further more new weapons to governments. Her children were taken from her and were made savages. If that makes me emotional and naive so be it. But I will not be executor to an entire species bad or good. By her dialogue her people were mind controlled much like the husk.
I couldn't bring myself to kill her. It helps that there's a ton of evidence pointing toward the fact that the original Rachni Wars were not the fault of the rachni. Not to mention that you have to ask yourself, if she was an adorable kitten-shaped alien instead of a giant bug, how many more people would have chosen to spare her? Just because she looks terrifying and vicious doesn't mean that she is. There's no logical reason to kill that particular rachni. She had nothing to do with the war.
I have a feeling saving her is going to backfire big time. First off how will the other races actually work well with them considering their history and what is stopping the reapers from sending out that signal and making them go crazy again. I have the same hesitations with the legions loyalty mission.
Do any of your goody-two-shoes paragon players who say it's heartless to kill the queen because she isn't evil, even consider that she MIGHT possibly lie?
EVERYONE would lie and say they're harmless when they're captured in a tank with acid ready to get killed. I personally find it hard to believe that it's a good idea to let the rachni queen go free. Yes, she might be a potential ally, but the chances that the rachni will turn on you once again are much bigger. Better save than sorry.
@LucvdMortel I follow your "renegade" logic. Thats why I choose both, because i'm guessing they're going to bring all these "saved" allies together to help you fight the big baddies...kinda like, "So shephard...you and what army will you save us with...THIS ARMY (bugs and AI out the ass). HaHA.
Well the first time I played ME1 I was paragon and didn't kill the queen but saved her, but later I asked myself: "WHY did I release her?" And I thought about it and I couldn't find any LOGICAL reason, only EMOTIONAL reasons. I let emotions interfere and get the better of me, that's why I released the rachni queen. But later, on my second playthrough, I played more ruthless and more logical instead of emotional and so I killed that damn rachni queen. "And this time, stay death!" hehehehe
@LucvdMortel well she said it hersef that they stole her eggs and tried to use them as slaves of war. whos to say that the salarians didnt do the exact same thing to them in the war? maybe thats why the rachni waged war against the salarians and universe, because someone tried to turn them into slaves of war so they fought back against the entire galaxy.
@LucvdMortel the reapers used the rachni to wage war on the universe. if u dont believe me then look up mass effect 2 where the rachni speaks to shepard again. she says she knows he seeks the ones who soured the voice of they're mothers. has to be the reapers. im pretty sure the rachni will be an ally. if not then the reapers have taken control again.
Okay, so IF the reapers used the rachni to wage war on the universe, who's to say they won't do it again?
I'm pretty sure SOME rachni will be allies in ME3, but I'm also pretty damn sure that A LOT will be enemies in ME3. If the reaper controlled them once, they will control them again. Count on it.
@LucvdMortel Dude, it's a video game. I don't know about you, but I like to play through games more than once. I sometimes play as paragon and I sometimes I play as renegade. No big deal.
So what that i's a video game? When I play roleplaying games, I actually roleplay. I actually try to understand my character and really think what kind of questions he/she would or should make. There is nothing wrong with that.
I have 3 Shepard characters. 1 roleplay Shepard (he's mixed between paragon/renegade) 1 paragon Shep and 1 renegade Shep.
My mixed para/rene Shep is my favorite playthrough (obviously) and the Rachni queen died in that playthrough.
@LucvdMortel I agree with trying to "role-play", but the thing is. It doesn't really matter if you kill her or not. Because you can just make a new character. I don't play ME, but I play ME2 and I have paragon and renegade characters. If you believe that you should kill the rachni you should play through as paragon and renegade several times before making a "main" character.
No, what you're talking about is not roleplaying, but meta-gaming.
I player Paragon first by the way (I sometimes enjoy to be a goody-two-shoes hero). After that I played my "main Shepard" and finally I played my Renegade Shepard.
@LucvdMortel I do roleplay, but my point is. What choices you make in a video game that you can easily make your character "perfect" doesn't matter in the long run. Of course, if you don't destroy the rachni and they try to kill you in ME3 then you have messed up, but that can easily be fixed if you REALLY aren't happy with the way things turned out. I wouldn't do something like that myself, but it's an option.
@LucvdMortel Yes but in the second game she tells you the war happened because of Reaper indoctrination. goody-two-shoe paragon player 1 Renegade players 0
Listen mr. genius: Yes, in ME2 the asari tells you the rachni war happened because of reaper idoctrination. The rachni were slaves from the reapers. And if you haven't noticed, mr. genius, the reapers are returning in ME3. The reapers will return and guess what will happen with the rachni AGAIN if you saved them?
@LucvdMortel Thats a risk you just have to take indoctrination takes a while to happen so if in ME3 they do become an enemy its probably similar to the Batarains which is unlikly as the Rachni are residing in a systems thats rather uncharted, or kinda of the beaten path so the Reapers have no knowledge of their existence and would not know to go after them. Letting them out was the morally right choice to make and the probablity of them getting captured is low. Paragon 2 Renegade 1
There also is fast indoctrination and huskyfying. (e.g. turning them into husks). I so happened to have already seen art of a rachni-husk. So prepare to meet some damn nasty rachni-husks in ME3, something I don't have to worry about because all the rachni are death in my playthrough.
The morally right thing to do was to just leave the rachni in the tank and let someone else who actually knows more about the rachni-war decide on her faith. Sadly, this wasn't an option.
@LucvdMortel Where did you find these pictures, I'll have to see them before I'll take your word for it. I've never seen fast indoctrination turning them into husk is possible but from the reapers stand point it would be better to indoctrinate them then turn them into husks. And letting them out was the morrally right thing to do if they do become enenmies in ME3 it wasn't there choice, and they would have gladly sided with Shepard if it weren't for them getting enslaved
We know too little about the rachni to judge on how morally right they are. Maybe the rachni are ruthless bastards by themselves. The queen can say what she wants but I have no reason to trust her.
By the way, the reapers had 2 years to indoctrinate the rachni again.. If a random asari can find them, who says that a reaper or a collector couldn't find them?
Also, there still is the option that the rachni are naturally ruthless bastards.
@LucvdMortel Alright It doesn't look like fan art but I hasn't been formally announced so I'm still on the fence. And you are correct about the fact that we don't know if they are actually cunning and ruthless and we do have no reason to trust her but that is kinda of the point of being Paragon to give her the benefit of the doubt and if she decides to betray Shepard trust and side with the Reapers through there own free will then the will go that route and all the consequence that come with it.
@LucvdMortel So by the same same logic, the turians should have wiped out humanity in the First Contact War, rather than agreeing to let it rest after Shanxi? Better safe than sorry. You never know humanity won't mess with inactive mass relays again.
@testogel85 No. The First Contact War is totally different. Both sides, turians and humans, made mistakes during that war, but neither wanted to destroy the entire galaxy.
During the Rachni War, the rachni were indoctrinated, couldn't be reasoned with and they clearly had the goal to wipe out as much species as possible. The rachni as an entire race was totally corrupt. That's why the rachni are dangerous. That's why the rachni had to be wiped out.
@LucvdMortel Whether or not the parties in question were corrupt isn't the point, nor is what their motives were. The point is, a "better safe than sorry" policy has a tendency to lead to horrible mistakes when the "safe" option involves indiscriminate genocide.
The rachni *were* dangerous, yes .... 2,000 years ago. The specimen at hand however is evidently not indoctrinated. As such it isn't corrupt and can provide a fresh start for the entire species.
The rachni were dangerous and they STILL ARE dangerous from what we've seen. If you didn't notice, every single rachni in ME1 is hostile, and don't give me that "they didn't hear the song from their mother" bullcrap, because that doesn't matter.
You say the specimen at hand "evidently" is not indoctrinated, yet you have no evidence or proof or whatsoever. Again, you're incredibly naive. This queen could be a lying piece of shit for all we know.
@LucvdMortel Comparing the queen's behavior to that of individuals known to be indoctrinated is a good hint.
Also I'd like to hear how that which you dismiss as "bullcrap" doesn't matter. None of the rachni encountered developed in the way that is normal for their species, and as such, building an opinion on their behavoir isn't a valid approach.
Furthermore, they aren't any more likely to get indoctrinated than any other species. First of all, it's not even clear if the reapers
@LucvdMortel are even aware of their existence, since Sovereign who likely indoctrinated the rachni in the first place was desroyed by the time the reaper fleet awoke from hibernation. Secondly, good indoctrination takes time, and while the original rachni didn't know what they were up against, this queen knows what's going on and can take countermeasures. Lastly, if the worst comes to the worst, and the rachni get indoctrinated anew, it will hardly make any difference.
@LucvdMortel There was 1 (one) queen in ME1. Call me naive but I have a somewhat hard time to believe that any species can increase its population from "a single breeding specimen" to "galaxy-threatening menance" in just about 3 years, especially if constrained by the need to remain off the radar of the rest ofthe galaxy.
1) The rachni queen's behavior isn't that different from Saren's or Kenson. Would have ever have guessed Kenson was indoctrinated BEFORE she betrayed you? Nope.
2) Maybe the queen indeed isn't indoctrinated, but that doesn't mean she isn't evil. You trust too easily.
3) If all it takes to turn the rachni into ruthless killing machines is taking away their mother, I'd say the rachni are a dangerous and unstable species.
4) The reapers are aware of almost everything Shepard did. It's a little naive to think they don't know about the rachni. They probably do.
5) You can't take countermeasures against indoctrination, at least so far no one knows how.
6) If the rachni get indoctrinated again it makes a HUGE difference. If 1 single queen can already flood an entire lab with her offspring in a couple of DAYS, imagine how big her army will be after 2 or 3 YEARS!
@ 4): a baseless assumption, there is no hint that they are aware of anything concerning Shep other than the destruction of Sovereign, and the ME2 events.
@ 5) avoiding exposure is a coutnermeasure against indoctrination
@ 6) the rachni encountered on Noveria did not develop under the control of the queen, it is nowhere indicated that they were all bred in the short interval between the Peak 15 incident and Shep's arrival. The scientists could have been breeding them over
@LucvdMortel they were turned to war by mind control from the reapers.. they're not aggressive, they're hyper-intelligent and benign. there's no reason to wipe them out, only out of mistrust and hate would one destroy them knowing that. i too thought the best option would be to kill the queen, but on my paragon playthrough of ME2 it became obvious that it was the wrong choice.
when i played through mass effect i choose the paragon option for letting the queen go. every race has that chance at redemption and like shepard said him/herself. you cant control what people will do, but you can control how you respond. emotionally i would not be the one who would destroy the last living member of a race, its a risk...but take into account the reapers ability of indoctrination. and the meeting of her in mass effect 2. i feel that soon...the rachni queen will come to our aid.
Well of course, since this is a BioWare game were the Paragon always get rewarded and the Renegade often get punished (because BioWare is shallow like that) I don't doubt you'll get the rachni at your side in ME3. But still I hope it all goes wrong in ME3 and then it turns out that killing the queen in the first place was the clever thing to do. I really hope it will go like that, but since this is a BioWare game I guess we can expect the most cliché thing to happen.
i cant speak for all bioware games for i havent played any of them outside the first two mass effect games and the starwars kotor game, but i saw what the ending was for all games had you played as a renegade/ dark sith. you literally have the galaxy at your whim in fear and the game didnt punish you for it. of course than again we could expect bioware to go halfway with both options in that if you save the queen you have allies...and more enemies. and as a renegade you have no rachni warriors
Yeah well, the collector base will probably worthless anyway. Besides, I'm not a pure-renegade player, so I get neither (I killed the rachni queen and I destroyed the collector base). Ah well, at least I got Wrex and his united Krogan. And Legion and his united geth.
We'll see how BioWare handles ME3.... we'll see...
@LucvdMortel indeed so. i believe the base will be worth some value seeing as it has about as much technology as say...the mass relays. again there are alot of ways this can plan out. i think the only 2 major choices are how you overall played the game. weither it be threw fear or respect. still there are diffenatly some moments where i would just love to punch udina in the head but id be a renegade...still....a tempting offer...
Funny, because I'm not even a renegde player. I'd consider myself a "paragade" player. I'm paragon, but renegade when I need to be. I don't meta-game. I don't intentionally pick paragon or renegade, I pick whatever I think is best. 70% of the time that's paragon, but 30% of the time it's renegade.
If you always pick paragon choices just because you want to be a nice person, you're a goody-two-shoes and not a good Spectre.
I'm not trolling the universe, I'm doing the universe a favor of finishing the job that the Krogan started centuries ago. Wrex was thankful, the krogan are thankful, Ashley was happy, the council was okay with my decision (except for the Turian bastard) and in the end "my" galaxy will be free of the rachni treat, unlike yours. Good luck on fighting hordes of rachni in ME3 brother, I think you'll need it. ;-)
I'm not an idiot, as I have perfectly valid reasons to kill the Rachni (queen) and in the end I made lots of people happy in my universe. How does that make me an idiot? The only person who's acting like a butt-hurt idiot right here right now is you. Please, IT'S JUST A GAME, no need to act all butt-hurt over it. Get a life.
@LucvdMortel My God, will you rub two brain cells together already? I'm mad because I hate stupidity. Go on, now, rant away. People who know they're wrong usually do. Throw your tantrum and be done with it, edjiot. I'm done with /you/.
Listen missy, the only one who's acting stupid here is you. While I have given my solid argument for why I chose the renegade path with the rachni, you only rant like a spoiled little girl with a temper tantrum. Instead of acting totally butt-hurt, why not just give some actual ARGUMENTS and then be done with it? You just can't take it that people have different opinions than you (and actually have solid arguments for their opinions), unlike you, you don't have any arguments.
O my god you really don't have any argument do you? While I'm chill, relaxed, YOU'RE the only throwing rants every single post. You spoiled little brat. Did mommy never teach you how to behave like a sweet little girl? You have a worse temper tantrum than my little 8 years old brother. You're supposed to be 25 years old? HAHAHA! Don't make me laugh.
You really are delusional. Have a nice day, miss goody-two-shoes. ;-) Good luck on fighting the rachni in ME3. ;-) HAHAHAHAHA!
You're a naughty naughty little girl. Please, go sit in the naughty corner for 10 minutes and think about what you've done and why you're a bad little girl. When you finally cooled down from your temper tantrum, come back and apologize to this gentleman here.
I await your apology for your irrational, emotional, hot-headed temper tantrums that you've been throwing around here since the beginning.
You could say so indeed. Why don't you answer my questions by the way? They are honest and sincere questions. I really DO wonder how you're planning on preparing against the rachni. :-)
I'm also completely confident that the rachni will return HOSTILE in ME3, especially after reading the leaked ME3 script (from the leaked Beta).
Yes, brace yourself, because you'll have to fight the Rachni again in ME3. But hey, rest assured, I will also have to fight the Rachni again in ME3, at least with my paragade character. Of course my renegon character had no trouble killing that rachni queen bitch.
Unlike beautifulpassion I understand your intent; your goal is apparently to persuade people that one should not always pick the Paragon choice because that is the gut instinct of some players.
My caution is that you may not wish to rely on a leaked "beta" script for accurate information about Mass Effect 3.
As Bioware fans may recall from the KotOR2 cuts, sometimes developers change their minds before the final product.
PS: This was a fun little game while it lasted, but sadly, playing with you has grown boring. You used to be funny, but now you're just getting repetitive. So I'll just be the better person and stop this. It was fun while it lasted, but now I have to move on.
Just face it, you're trying to win a discussion that you already lost when you started it. Before you reply, think about what I said. Maybe you'll finally realize that you're wrong and hopefully then you'll apologize for your irrational rude behavior.
If the Rachni can be manipulated by the Reapers into attacking others, it's not logical that they would ever be useful allies against the Reapers. I say bring on the Raid!
now Shepherd knows how Samus feels. killing the last of a species isnt fun TT-TT (for those of you who dont know who Samus is, Samus is the main character of metroid and she caused the genocide of the metroid species except for one larva because she ended up feeling horrible for what she did. )
@freakypelt My guess would be yes, but lets hope you'll have the rachni fighting by your side in 3. Team member??? doubt it, but wouldnt that be fun. All the abused children teaming up (rachni, humans, aliens, AI's) on the Reapers. Gonna be one hell of a battle, can't wait. Dunno how they'll make the renegade more interesting (maybe you have to defeat all the above as well or subjugate them).
@Kl1n3 dont know but its something to think about! im betting the ranchi team up with you too. maybe not as a member of your team but yeah i agree there. im hoping that you somehow can get the geth and quarians to stop fighting. maybe fighting the reapers together will stop them from all out hating hating each other. that way quarians go home and everyone is happy ^^ as for the other species. well lets just hope the council isnt going to be stupid.
@Kl1n3 Now what if when you killed the Rachni Queen that in ME2 or 3 there happened to be another queen egg who hatches and hears her ancestors song and knows that Shephard and the galaxy are against them.
@zest4lyfe Agreed, The way the dev's were talking @ E3...I might need to go back and do two new runs @ full Paragon / Renegade, I have feeling that will play a big part in what you have to do. I already did them, but you know how it is...saves seem to get mixed up / disappear. Wana be allgood by the time it goes gold.
@MrMgranata93 the ones who fought in the war were being forced to/controlled by someone/thing(reapers) Rachni as a species are NOT that aggressive as to star a war.
@MrMgranata93 your comment obviously shows you didn't pay attention to a thing the queen said and if you bothered to save her you'd get an even better explanation when you run into the asari in illium in ME 2. Lord knows what players like you chose in games like dragon age 2. Because one mage turns blood mage,they must all be bad is an anaology of your comment
before mass effect 2 was even mentioned I let the rachni queen go why because genocide is wrong no matter how dangerous a race is genocide isn't right. and plus in every war there are two sides of the story.
It's better to set her free than kill her. If the rachni returns, the truth of the rachni wars is revealed. The Reapers caused the rachni wars, and if the rachni returns, payback time
Something was forcing the Rachni to attack other lifeforms? From the way the Rachni Queen described it, it sounds almost like Reaper Indoctrination.... Brr...
At first I was going to kill her, because I read the Codex entry and thought they were too dangerous to live, but... but I was reminded of my favorite book, Ender's Game... damnit, so similar! Too similar! May your kind live in peace and prosperity, Rachni Queen!!
I was pretty much a pure paragon, seeing renegade alternatives on YT makes me glad I was, because you can be a really heartless asshole as Shepard, sure some renegade actions are funny but I'd be ashamed to have committed most of them :/
Wish I killed Fist though, that guy was scum, ME2 be damned!
@postapocalyptia um sheperd=player so that doesn't make sense. also using wikias to find spoilers and make the decisions you want to have is FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNN! *magically flies away*
@postapocalyptia i have a playthrough where i save everything just for mass effect 3. things you "save" include: rachni queen, Council [loyal/less asses then new ones plus saved Destiny Ascension], Wrex [help from clan urdnot?], Collecter Base, Geth Heretics [more geth to help+less geth to fight], and maybe others i forgot.
@Desgax oh yeah maybe the quarians if Tali kept her ship status. i would also like to note the quarians probably survived a normal reaper attack (minus prothean scientists) because the location of The Migrant Fleet is always kept secret and the most obvious, no permanent settlement. as long as they hide they would've been fine. it's kind of to think the geth would've caused the survival of their Creators and also that they would join the Reapers.
@postapocalyptia not really. that specific rachni was in cyro before the war started so she doesn't feel any resentment toward them plus another war would just plunge their race into another extinction. which is suicide and just retarded :/ plus Bioware is kind of giving it away when they say that the rachni queen will help you during "dark times". or what? she's gonna help you buy groceries? plus i see this ongoing thing where you either destroy or save something.
those "oily shadows" and "sour yellow notes" are obviously the reapers controlling them. now that sovereign is dead (who might have been the controller) the rachni shouldn't be controlled again and so they should help you in mass effect 3 :D
I killed the queen because it seemed dangerous to me. It controlled minds you know. I thought that later in game she will be my enemy and I didn't want a conspiracy (which I thought it to be ) to be succeeded.
Wrex always convinced me to kill the Rachni Queen. Only thing is now I kinda wish I'd made the connection that the Reapers indoctrinated the ones in the Rachni War.
Well, I always play renegade. I really don't feel guilty when I kill someone or I am being a dick. I always think- there is galaxy to safe. Billions of life. I don't have time to safe everyone. If I have to sacrefice innocent people for galaxy's safety- I will do it. People might hate me, fear me. But I am not doing it for this. I am fighting for survival. So I will kill anything that can be dangerous to galaxy. I will kill anything that can slow me down. Because Reapers are coming. No morality.
lol but what happens to those who would play Mass Effect 3 from scratch? Would the game assume you saved the queen or not? Arggg...I bought the first game having purchased the second initially so that I could understand the story better. I cannot imagine someone playing the third game without knowing anything about the other two games. I didn't kill the queen btw.
@ferdo621 It would use a default import, meaning that whatever your Shepard did during the previous ME games is pre-determined by the game itself. For example, I once played ME 2 without importing my Shepard from ME. The default story was that the council died, Udina became a councilor, Wrex was killed on Virmire, amond a bunch of other things even my Shepard never actually did those things in ME. I hope this helps.
It was the Reapers who indoctrinated the Rachni which caused the first Galactic War. They will be allies in Mass Effect 3, if you saved them.
AIItruth1 2 days ago
The Rachni will be a huge help in ME3...even as a renegade in the ME2 comic I saved them...they are intelligent and understand the situation
southsiderolla 2 days ago
I let her go.
MASSEFFECTfan101 1 week ago
i men't survive
MrHollow24 2 weeks ago
if you spare them since they let you know there alive and well and they tell you they will help you in the ''against the coming darkness'' i hope they will be an ally in mass effect 3 because that will the galaxy's at war and everyone's fighting to surive
MrHollow24 2 weeks ago
@MrHollow24 That was one of the reasons I chose to save the queen. Against the reapers you will need all the help you can get.
Nekhet 2 weeks ago
@Nekhet agreed
MrHollow24 1 week ago
After having played through Mass Effect 1 and 2 about 20x over I've come to hate the paragon/renegade system. I think that you should be able to be your own person. The fact that to do certain things you need an certain level of paragon or renegade means that you have to be completely good and a little blonde, or an absolute a-hole that ruins things for everyone. Sometimes the renegade decision, though harsh, is the right choice for that scenario.
cooldonkeyfish 2 weeks ago
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cooldonkeyfish 2 weeks ago
Wow, I've never seen the Renegade action for this part. That was actually really sad
BULLSHIT1173 3 weeks ago
everyone shut the fuck up its just a video game geez
pacitto1000 1 month ago
@pacitto1000 Watch out! We got a badass over here!
julebrusernam 2 weeks ago 2
Since I see the debate here is getting rather heated, I would like to offer my own conjecture:
I conjecture that Bioware will make saving or destroying the Rachni go both ways for either choice, depending on an "additional factor."
In other words, saving the rachni could result in them being allies OR in them being indoctrinated and turning on you, depending on another factor.
And destroying the rachni could result in saving the galaxy OR losing a potential ally, depending on another factor.
MartialArtsMaster 1 month ago
@MartialArtsMaster
Well said. I think you're right. It's exactly what I think too. However, sometimes, playing devil's advocate and having a heated debate is simply way to fun. ;-)
Also, I know that the leaked script is not 100% trustworthy. But I've also seen screenshots of indoctrinated rachni. So I'm pretty sure they're there. We'll see.
LucvdMortel 1 month ago
@LucvdMortel
I realize this is rather late to reply, but I just thought of something else.
Sometimes movie or game developers change their minds BECAUSE of the "leak," and sometimes they even make a FAKE "leak."
The Empire Strikes Back for example. Originally, George Lucas "leaked" that Obi-Wan killed Luke's father. That's what Mark Hamill and the actor in the Vader suit were told just before filming.
Darth Vader actually BEING Luke's father was a planned last-minute switch.
MartialArtsMaster 3 weeks ago
PS: I'll stop trolling you now, because I\m actually starting to feel sorry for you. After all you can't help it that you're such a naive little girl. :-) You do realize that I've been trolling you since the very beginning, right?
Anyway, I actually let the rachni live in my first ME1 playthrough. So yeah, I was, indeed, just trolling since the beginning.
However, I do know the rachni will turn on us in ME3, but I'll just kick their asses with my Vanguard's Charge ability. :-)
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel Mm-hmmmmm.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
Hahahaha! Seriously, take a look in the mirror before you accuse anyone of ranting. ;-)
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel Fail.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
Yep, you indeed failed. :-)
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel Hands for who saw that coming.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
I'll get back to you after March 6, when we both have played ME3... In the meanwhile, I'll be playing Skyrim and after that Zelda Skyward Sword. ;-)
Cheers!
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel I'm sure your obsession will indeed cause you to rant further. Am I supposed to care what other games you play?
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
I let her live because she had no part in the original war and had not been indoctrinated. As she stated, she had no knowledge of the war or what caused it, only the songs and voices she heard in her egg. Besides, if she did turn out for the worst, I wouldn't believe a second war to eradicate the species would be as difficult seeing as how the numbers are far less than the first.
RhymeOfTheMariner 3 months ago
My musics are colorless ??
Fuck you !
*blows head off*.
1Adr1an6 3 months ago
I'm not going to say it's heartless to kill the queen, but I will say that, if you save her, you meet an asari on Illium that the queen save. She sends you a message through the asari and almost proves that saving her is a good, tactical choice, as she's raising an army to fight the Reapers along-side Shephard. And I bet that, even if you kill the queen, you'll encounter a few indocterinated queens in ME 3.
ElectromagNick 4 months ago
Heres a problem: What if the repears indoctrinate a single queen? Guess how many are fucked then?
NickyAmerica 4 months ago 5
@NickyAmerica what if rachni are naturally immuned to reaper indoctrination? the thorian might have been
p90xsteroids 3 months ago
@p90xsteroids They're not. That's why the first Rachni War began in the first place. According to the queen, rachni are a naturally peaceful species. The reapers indoctrinated them an attempted to use them as weapons.
Wolfsrain90 3 months ago
@Wolfsrain90
And they will do so again. The rachni will be tools for the reapers once again in ME3. I'm pretty sure of this after having read the ME3 leaked draft script. Maybe you'll also get Rachni allies, but you're definitely going to get Rachni enemies. Boy, am I glad I killed the Rachni back in ME1 when I had the chance. :-)
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel Don't really have any desire to hear about the draft script. I was spoilt enough as is.
Wolfsrain90 2 months ago
"what if they're lying" is a really shitty position to take, and it's no way to live. What about things and people that dont operate on our level of deception and secrecy? we're supposed to hold them to our standards? what if she's telling the truth? what if they're a victim and a beautiful civilization? just wipe them out to be safe? that's so primitive
SoCalAries 4 months ago
Ah yes, "name calling". I understand both sides of the argument quite clearly, but in the end, I couldn't condemn the Queen for something she MIGHT do. Especially when there's indication the Rachni were indoctrinated. True, they can be indoctrinated again... Well, who's to say anyone else can't?
---ME3 SPOILER---
There's proof out the right now that a certain secret organization from ME2 is indoctrinated now too.
---END SPOILER--- Don't confuse fear for logic.
ldarkwindl 4 months ago
I knew I was going to feel bad for killing her, so I let her go. After seeing Shepard's slight smile at her I felt really good :D
TheRamenMaster 5 months ago
Can someone send me a link of the rachni husk
evensuralex 5 months ago
My first playthrough i killed her because i didnt trust her, but on my second i let her live to see what happened. Then in ME2 you find someone who says the Rachni will help you
Toxikkiller159 5 months ago
i think the rachni will either terrorize asari or salarians in ME3 or save sheperds ass as a return favour
BasicsDimensions 5 months ago
I killed them - but if you save them they end up helping you in ME3...so should I go back and save her?
CDavengedsevenfold 6 months ago
Rachni Queens gonna come back in ME3 with her followers and shpit acid all over the Reapers :).......or potentially in Shepards face
TheTvrulesthenation 6 months ago
at first the rachni creeped the hell outta me, after seeing the queen tho i thought: "hm....would be kinda badass to see these things tear the reapers a new one, i'll let em live." even on my renegade playthrough i couldnt kill her. altho if they do turn on me, i'll be sure to throw that turian council member to them first. i hate that guy...-_-'
DemonAnimeGuy17 6 months ago
To those who saved her, I don't blame any of you, but consider this:
During the Rachni Wars, the Rachni didn't want to cause what happened, but it happened. On Noveria, they fought you because they were being indoctrinated. If you save them, why can't they get indoctrinated again? They could end up getting indoctrinated again by the Reapers, then they'll start a fight with the Krogan.Entanglement=vulnerable to Reapers
I saved the Queen and cured the genophage, but...it's a serious question.
apeonfire99 6 months ago
@apeonfire99 BUt really they can't the first queen was caught off guard the second queen will make sure of it (hopefully)
dertlash 6 months ago
I saved the Rachni on my first playthrough. Way I see it she was just an egg who had no part in the Rachni war. Moment she open her eyes she was treated not as a child but a mere guinea pig to further more new weapons to governments. Her children were taken from her and were made savages. If that makes me emotional and naive so be it. But I will not be executor to an entire species bad or good. By her dialogue her people were mind controlled much like the husk.
Tigerkaya 6 months ago
I couldn't bring myself to kill her. It helps that there's a ton of evidence pointing toward the fact that the original Rachni Wars were not the fault of the rachni. Not to mention that you have to ask yourself, if she was an adorable kitten-shaped alien instead of a giant bug, how many more people would have chosen to spare her? Just because she looks terrifying and vicious doesn't mean that she is. There's no logical reason to kill that particular rachni. She had nothing to do with the war.
shewasfire 6 months ago
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"are you stupid?!" LOL
LovesMassEffect 6 months ago
I have a feeling saving her is going to backfire big time. First off how will the other races actually work well with them considering their history and what is stopping the reapers from sending out that signal and making them go crazy again. I have the same hesitations with the legions loyalty mission.
LovesMassEffect 6 months ago
I can't get myself to kill her.I hope i'll get help from her on ME3 or will start a new ME playthrough just to kill her.
Ooze27 6 months ago
I save her every time, no regrets.
ShadowXRougeXEver 6 months ago
Do any of your goody-two-shoes paragon players who say it's heartless to kill the queen because she isn't evil, even consider that she MIGHT possibly lie?
EVERYONE would lie and say they're harmless when they're captured in a tank with acid ready to get killed. I personally find it hard to believe that it's a good idea to let the rachni queen go free. Yes, she might be a potential ally, but the chances that the rachni will turn on you once again are much bigger. Better save than sorry.
LucvdMortel 6 months ago
@LucvdMortel I follow your "renegade" logic. Thats why I choose both, because i'm guessing they're going to bring all these "saved" allies together to help you fight the big baddies...kinda like, "So shephard...you and what army will you save us with...THIS ARMY (bugs and AI out the ass). HaHA.
Kl1n3 6 months ago 5
@Kl1n3
Well the first time I played ME1 I was paragon and didn't kill the queen but saved her, but later I asked myself: "WHY did I release her?" And I thought about it and I couldn't find any LOGICAL reason, only EMOTIONAL reasons. I let emotions interfere and get the better of me, that's why I released the rachni queen. But later, on my second playthrough, I played more ruthless and more logical instead of emotional and so I killed that damn rachni queen. "And this time, stay death!" hehehehe
LucvdMortel 6 months ago
@LucvdMortel Ha. I hear ya bud.
Kl1n3 6 months ago
@LucvdMortel I let them live, not their fault they were controlled by the Reapers. Besides, need more allies in ME3.
armydude102 3 months ago
@LucvdMortel well she said it hersef that they stole her eggs and tried to use them as slaves of war. whos to say that the salarians didnt do the exact same thing to them in the war? maybe thats why the rachni waged war against the salarians and universe, because someone tried to turn them into slaves of war so they fought back against the entire galaxy.
dunno414 6 months ago
@LucvdMortel the reapers used the rachni to wage war on the universe. if u dont believe me then look up mass effect 2 where the rachni speaks to shepard again. she says she knows he seeks the ones who soured the voice of they're mothers. has to be the reapers. im pretty sure the rachni will be an ally. if not then the reapers have taken control again.
dunno414 6 months ago
@dunno414
Okay, so IF the reapers used the rachni to wage war on the universe, who's to say they won't do it again?
I'm pretty sure SOME rachni will be allies in ME3, but I'm also pretty damn sure that A LOT will be enemies in ME3. If the reaper controlled them once, they will control them again. Count on it.
LucvdMortel 6 months ago
@LucvdMortel true sorta like theres two sides to the geth, theres legions side and then theres the side that worships the reapers.
dunno414 6 months ago
@LucvdMortel thinking the same exact thing here.
LovesMassEffect 6 months ago
@LucvdMortel Dude, it's a video game. I don't know about you, but I like to play through games more than once. I sometimes play as paragon and I sometimes I play as renegade. No big deal.
knarkbruker 6 months ago
@knarkbruker
So what that i's a video game? When I play roleplaying games, I actually roleplay. I actually try to understand my character and really think what kind of questions he/she would or should make. There is nothing wrong with that.
I have 3 Shepard characters. 1 roleplay Shepard (he's mixed between paragon/renegade) 1 paragon Shep and 1 renegade Shep.
My mixed para/rene Shep is my favorite playthrough (obviously) and the Rachni queen died in that playthrough.
LucvdMortel 6 months ago
@LucvdMortel I agree with trying to "role-play", but the thing is. It doesn't really matter if you kill her or not. Because you can just make a new character. I don't play ME, but I play ME2 and I have paragon and renegade characters. If you believe that you should kill the rachni you should play through as paragon and renegade several times before making a "main" character.
knarkbruker 6 months ago
@knarkbruker
No, what you're talking about is not roleplaying, but meta-gaming.
I player Paragon first by the way (I sometimes enjoy to be a goody-two-shoes hero). After that I played my "main Shepard" and finally I played my Renegade Shepard.
LucvdMortel 6 months ago
@LucvdMortel I do roleplay, but my point is. What choices you make in a video game that you can easily make your character "perfect" doesn't matter in the long run. Of course, if you don't destroy the rachni and they try to kill you in ME3 then you have messed up, but that can easily be fixed if you REALLY aren't happy with the way things turned out. I wouldn't do something like that myself, but it's an option.
knarkbruker 6 months ago
@LucvdMortel Yes but in the second game she tells you the war happened because of Reaper indoctrination. goody-two-shoe paragon player 1 Renegade players 0
gingy117 6 months ago
@gingy117
Listen mr. genius: Yes, in ME2 the asari tells you the rachni war happened because of reaper idoctrination. The rachni were slaves from the reapers. And if you haven't noticed, mr. genius, the reapers are returning in ME3. The reapers will return and guess what will happen with the rachni AGAIN if you saved them?
goody-two-shoe paragon -1 renegade +1
LucvdMortel 6 months ago
@LucvdMortel Thats a risk you just have to take indoctrination takes a while to happen so if in ME3 they do become an enemy its probably similar to the Batarains which is unlikly as the Rachni are residing in a systems thats rather uncharted, or kinda of the beaten path so the Reapers have no knowledge of their existence and would not know to go after them. Letting them out was the morally right choice to make and the probablity of them getting captured is low. Paragon 2 Renegade 1
gingy117 5 months ago
@gingy117
There also is fast indoctrination and huskyfying. (e.g. turning them into husks). I so happened to have already seen art of a rachni-husk. So prepare to meet some damn nasty rachni-husks in ME3, something I don't have to worry about because all the rachni are death in my playthrough.
The morally right thing to do was to just leave the rachni in the tank and let someone else who actually knows more about the rachni-war decide on her faith. Sadly, this wasn't an option.
LucvdMortel 5 months ago
@LucvdMortel Where did you find these pictures, I'll have to see them before I'll take your word for it. I've never seen fast indoctrination turning them into husk is possible but from the reapers stand point it would be better to indoctrinate them then turn them into husks. And letting them out was the morrally right thing to do if they do become enenmies in ME3 it wasn't there choice, and they would have gladly sided with Shepard if it weren't for them getting enslaved
gingy117 5 months ago
@gingy117
I'll PM you link with rachni-husk right now.
We know too little about the rachni to judge on how morally right they are. Maybe the rachni are ruthless bastards by themselves. The queen can say what she wants but I have no reason to trust her.
By the way, the reapers had 2 years to indoctrinate the rachni again.. If a random asari can find them, who says that a reaper or a collector couldn't find them?
Also, there still is the option that the rachni are naturally ruthless bastards.
LucvdMortel 5 months ago
@LucvdMortel Alright It doesn't look like fan art but I hasn't been formally announced so I'm still on the fence. And you are correct about the fact that we don't know if they are actually cunning and ruthless and we do have no reason to trust her but that is kinda of the point of being Paragon to give her the benefit of the doubt and if she decides to betray Shepard trust and side with the Reapers through there own free will then the will go that route and all the consequence that come with it.
gingy117 5 months ago
@LucvdMortel i wanna see thousands of rachni take down a reaper, so i let her live
adamtheclark 5 months ago
@LucvdMortel Dont hate on the gooders. We have to save the asses of EVERYONE.
MrOnepiece14 5 months ago
@LucvdMortel So by the same same logic, the turians should have wiped out humanity in the First Contact War, rather than agreeing to let it rest after Shanxi? Better safe than sorry. You never know humanity won't mess with inactive mass relays again.
testogel85 5 months ago
@testogel85 No. The First Contact War is totally different. Both sides, turians and humans, made mistakes during that war, but neither wanted to destroy the entire galaxy.
During the Rachni War, the rachni were indoctrinated, couldn't be reasoned with and they clearly had the goal to wipe out as much species as possible. The rachni as an entire race was totally corrupt. That's why the rachni are dangerous. That's why the rachni had to be wiped out.
LucvdMortel 5 months ago
@LucvdMortel Whether or not the parties in question were corrupt isn't the point, nor is what their motives were. The point is, a "better safe than sorry" policy has a tendency to lead to horrible mistakes when the "safe" option involves indiscriminate genocide.
The rachni *were* dangerous, yes .... 2,000 years ago. The specimen at hand however is evidently not indoctrinated. As such it isn't corrupt and can provide a fresh start for the entire species.
testogel85 4 months ago
@testogel85
You're incredibly naive.
The rachni were dangerous and they STILL ARE dangerous from what we've seen. If you didn't notice, every single rachni in ME1 is hostile, and don't give me that "they didn't hear the song from their mother" bullcrap, because that doesn't matter.
You say the specimen at hand "evidently" is not indoctrinated, yet you have no evidence or proof or whatsoever. Again, you're incredibly naive. This queen could be a lying piece of shit for all we know.
LucvdMortel 4 months ago
@testogel85
Also, one more thing:
Even if the queen isn't indoctrinated NOW, who's to say she won't be indoctrinated when the reapers arrive?
The ENTIRE rachni species was indoctrinated once before, it can and WILL happen again. Mark my words.
LucvdMortel 4 months ago
@LucvdMortel Comparing the queen's behavior to that of individuals known to be indoctrinated is a good hint.
Also I'd like to hear how that which you dismiss as "bullcrap" doesn't matter. None of the rachni encountered developed in the way that is normal for their species, and as such, building an opinion on their behavoir isn't a valid approach.
Furthermore, they aren't any more likely to get indoctrinated than any other species. First of all, it's not even clear if the reapers
testogel85 4 months ago
@LucvdMortel are even aware of their existence, since Sovereign who likely indoctrinated the rachni in the first place was desroyed by the time the reaper fleet awoke from hibernation. Secondly, good indoctrination takes time, and while the original rachni didn't know what they were up against, this queen knows what's going on and can take countermeasures. Lastly, if the worst comes to the worst, and the rachni get indoctrinated anew, it will hardly make any difference.
testogel85 4 months ago
@LucvdMortel There was 1 (one) queen in ME1. Call me naive but I have a somewhat hard time to believe that any species can increase its population from "a single breeding specimen" to "galaxy-threatening menance" in just about 3 years, especially if constrained by the need to remain off the radar of the rest ofthe galaxy.
testogel85 4 months ago
@testogel85
1) The rachni queen's behavior isn't that different from Saren's or Kenson. Would have ever have guessed Kenson was indoctrinated BEFORE she betrayed you? Nope.
2) Maybe the queen indeed isn't indoctrinated, but that doesn't mean she isn't evil. You trust too easily.
3) If all it takes to turn the rachni into ruthless killing machines is taking away their mother, I'd say the rachni are a dangerous and unstable species.
(cont.)
LucvdMortel 4 months ago
@testogel85
4) The reapers are aware of almost everything Shepard did. It's a little naive to think they don't know about the rachni. They probably do.
5) You can't take countermeasures against indoctrination, at least so far no one knows how.
6) If the rachni get indoctrinated again it makes a HUGE difference. If 1 single queen can already flood an entire lab with her offspring in a couple of DAYS, imagine how big her army will be after 2 or 3 YEARS!
LucvdMortel 4 months ago
@LucvdMortel
@ 4): a baseless assumption, there is no hint that they are aware of anything concerning Shep other than the destruction of Sovereign, and the ME2 events.
@ 5) avoiding exposure is a coutnermeasure against indoctrination
@ 6) the rachni encountered on Noveria did not develop under the control of the queen, it is nowhere indicated that they were all bred in the short interval between the Peak 15 incident and Shep's arrival. The scientists could have been breeding them over
testogel85 4 months ago
@LucvdMortel years, for all we know.
That said, I'm done discussing this matter. Take care.
testogel85 4 months ago
@LucvdMortel watch "mass effect 2 rachni queen returns (kinda')"
SoCalAries 4 months ago
@LucvdMortel they were turned to war by mind control from the reapers.. they're not aggressive, they're hyper-intelligent and benign. there's no reason to wipe them out, only out of mistrust and hate would one destroy them knowing that. i too thought the best option would be to kill the queen, but on my paragon playthrough of ME2 it became obvious that it was the wrong choice.
SoCalAries 4 months ago
when i played through mass effect i choose the paragon option for letting the queen go. every race has that chance at redemption and like shepard said him/herself. you cant control what people will do, but you can control how you respond. emotionally i would not be the one who would destroy the last living member of a race, its a risk...but take into account the reapers ability of indoctrination. and the meeting of her in mass effect 2. i feel that soon...the rachni queen will come to our aid.
TheAgentofthesystem 4 months ago
@TheAgentofthesystem
Well of course, since this is a BioWare game were the Paragon always get rewarded and the Renegade often get punished (because BioWare is shallow like that) I don't doubt you'll get the rachni at your side in ME3. But still I hope it all goes wrong in ME3 and then it turns out that killing the queen in the first place was the clever thing to do. I really hope it will go like that, but since this is a BioWare game I guess we can expect the most cliché thing to happen.
LucvdMortel 4 months ago
i cant speak for all bioware games for i havent played any of them outside the first two mass effect games and the starwars kotor game, but i saw what the ending was for all games had you played as a renegade/ dark sith. you literally have the galaxy at your whim in fear and the game didnt punish you for it. of course than again we could expect bioware to go halfway with both options in that if you save the queen you have allies...and more enemies. and as a renegade you have no rachni warriors
TheAgentofthesystem 4 months ago
@LucvdMortel well just thank of it like this. the pure paragon players get the rachni queen, but the pure renegades get the collecter base.
TheAgentofthesystem 4 months ago
@TheAgentofthesystem
Yeah well, the collector base will probably worthless anyway. Besides, I'm not a pure-renegade player, so I get neither (I killed the rachni queen and I destroyed the collector base). Ah well, at least I got Wrex and his united Krogan. And Legion and his united geth.
We'll see how BioWare handles ME3.... we'll see...
LucvdMortel 4 months ago
@LucvdMortel indeed so. i believe the base will be worth some value seeing as it has about as much technology as say...the mass relays. again there are alot of ways this can plan out. i think the only 2 major choices are how you overall played the game. weither it be threw fear or respect. still there are diffenatly some moments where i would just love to punch udina in the head but id be a renegade...still....a tempting offer...
TheAgentofthesystem 4 months ago
@LucvdMortel How are the chances "much bigger"? The probability is 50-50%.
Wolfsrain90 3 months ago
@LucvdMortel 'Goody two shoes?' You are the perfect example of why I hate most renegade players.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
Funny, because I'm not even a renegde player. I'd consider myself a "paragade" player. I'm paragon, but renegade when I need to be. I don't meta-game. I don't intentionally pick paragon or renegade, I pick whatever I think is best. 70% of the time that's paragon, but 30% of the time it's renegade.
If you always pick paragon choices just because you want to be a nice person, you're a goody-two-shoes and not a good Spectre.
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel I don't 'always' pick paragon choices. I'm a paragade- a proper one, not a childish prick like you who just wants to troll the universe.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
I'm not trolling the universe, I'm doing the universe a favor of finishing the job that the Krogan started centuries ago. Wrex was thankful, the krogan are thankful, Ashley was happy, the council was okay with my decision (except for the Turian bastard) and in the end "my" galaxy will be free of the rachni treat, unlike yours. Good luck on fighting hordes of rachni in ME3 brother, I think you'll need it. ;-)
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel See? Idiot.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
My god will you chill down already? Why u so mad?
I'm not an idiot, as I have perfectly valid reasons to kill the Rachni (queen) and in the end I made lots of people happy in my universe. How does that make me an idiot? The only person who's acting like a butt-hurt idiot right here right now is you. Please, IT'S JUST A GAME, no need to act all butt-hurt over it. Get a life.
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel My God, will you rub two brain cells together already? I'm mad because I hate stupidity. Go on, now, rant away. People who know they're wrong usually do. Throw your tantrum and be done with it, edjiot. I'm done with /you/.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
Listen missy, the only one who's acting stupid here is you. While I have given my solid argument for why I chose the renegade path with the rachni, you only rant like a spoiled little girl with a temper tantrum. Instead of acting totally butt-hurt, why not just give some actual ARGUMENTS and then be done with it? You just can't take it that people have different opinions than you (and actually have solid arguments for their opinions), unlike you, you don't have any arguments.
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel Haha, thanks for proving me right. TWO rants, not just one. Impressive tantrum.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
O my god you really don't have any argument do you? While I'm chill, relaxed, YOU'RE the only throwing rants every single post. You spoiled little brat. Did mommy never teach you how to behave like a sweet little girl? You have a worse temper tantrum than my little 8 years old brother. You're supposed to be 25 years old? HAHAHA! Don't make me laugh.
You really are delusional. Have a nice day, miss goody-two-shoes. ;-) Good luck on fighting the rachni in ME3. ;-) HAHAHAHAHA!
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
You're a naughty naughty little girl. Please, go sit in the naughty corner for 10 minutes and think about what you've done and why you're a bad little girl. When you finally cooled down from your temper tantrum, come back and apologize to this gentleman here.
I await your apology for your irrational, emotional, hot-headed temper tantrums that you've been throwing around here since the beginning.
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
Heh, goody two-shoes paragon players are so easy to piss off. They really are naive little children. :-)
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel Wow, I think that's, like...five, six tantrums? This is downright impressive.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
Turian Councilor: "Ahhh yes, "tantrums", your weak attempt at trying to hide your defeat in this argument. We've dismissed that claim."
Yes, I too think it's downright impressive how I manage to stay patient with your childish behavior. :-)
So, how are you going to prepare to fight the rachni in ME3? Do you already have a plan on how to defeat them?
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel Bahbahbahbah. *giggles* Here /and/ on my profile. This is quite the show.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
You could say so indeed. Why don't you answer my questions by the way? They are honest and sincere questions. I really DO wonder how you're planning on preparing against the rachni. :-)
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel Because unlike you, I'm completely confident in my choices.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
I'm also completely confident that the rachni will return HOSTILE in ME3, especially after reading the leaked ME3 script (from the leaked Beta).
Yes, brace yourself, because you'll have to fight the Rachni again in ME3. But hey, rest assured, I will also have to fight the Rachni again in ME3, at least with my paragade character. Of course my renegon character had no trouble killing that rachni queen bitch.
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel Rant rant rant. I'm sorry, who needs telling this is just a game?
Still impressed with this little foot. I'm picturing the foot stamping and hair pulling quite vividly.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
Rant rant rant, that's all I see from YOU yeah. Oh, and life is just a game baby, get used to it.
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel And we're back to the 'you're an idiot' thing.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
Look what I found in the ME3 script: "Commander Shepard... you should have killed me when you had the chance."
Make a good guess which character said that. Here's a hint: It starts with "rachni" and it ends with "queen". ;-)
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel
I would recommend caution, sir.
Unlike beautifulpassion I understand your intent; your goal is apparently to persuade people that one should not always pick the Paragon choice because that is the gut instinct of some players.
My caution is that you may not wish to rely on a leaked "beta" script for accurate information about Mass Effect 3.
As Bioware fans may recall from the KotOR2 cuts, sometimes developers change their minds before the final product.
MartialArtsMaster 1 month ago
@beautifulpassion
PS: This was a fun little game while it lasted, but sadly, playing with you has grown boring. You used to be funny, but now you're just getting repetitive. So I'll just be the better person and stop this. It was fun while it lasted, but now I have to move on.
Cheers, pathetic little girl. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA! xD
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@LucvdMortel Actually, you're still really amusing. Please, continue ranting and raving.
beautifulpassion 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
Just face it, you're trying to win a discussion that you already lost when you started it. Before you reply, think about what I said. Maybe you'll finally realize that you're wrong and hopefully then you'll apologize for your irrational rude behavior.
Have a nice day.
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
@beautifulpassion
Anyway, good luck with fighting the rachni in ME3. Glad I've already dealt with that problem back in ME1. Goodbye.
LucvdMortel 2 months ago
If the Rachni can be manipulated by the Reapers into attacking others, it's not logical that they would ever be useful allies against the Reapers. I say bring on the Raid!
Jakareh75 7 months ago
@Jakareh75 Anyone can be manipulated by the reapers
QuassDebonair 7 months ago
i let her live cause she is awesome!
now Shepherd knows how Samus feels. killing the last of a species isnt fun TT-TT (for those of you who dont know who Samus is, Samus is the main character of metroid and she caused the genocide of the metroid species except for one larva because she ended up feeling horrible for what she did. )
freakypelt 7 months ago
@freakypelt My guess would be yes, but lets hope you'll have the rachni fighting by your side in 3. Team member??? doubt it, but wouldnt that be fun. All the abused children teaming up (rachni, humans, aliens, AI's) on the Reapers. Gonna be one hell of a battle, can't wait. Dunno how they'll make the renegade more interesting (maybe you have to defeat all the above as well or subjugate them).
Kl1n3 7 months ago
@Kl1n3 dont know but its something to think about! im betting the ranchi team up with you too. maybe not as a member of your team but yeah i agree there. im hoping that you somehow can get the geth and quarians to stop fighting. maybe fighting the reapers together will stop them from all out hating hating each other. that way quarians go home and everyone is happy ^^ as for the other species. well lets just hope the council isnt going to be stupid.
freakypelt 7 months ago
@Kl1n3 Now what if when you killed the Rachni Queen that in ME2 or 3 there happened to be another queen egg who hatches and hears her ancestors song and knows that Shephard and the galaxy are against them.
dertlash 6 months ago
lol guys i saved her to it's to hard to kill her because she's the last of the Rachni queens lol
alexgrimmaster1 7 months ago
@zest4lyfe Agreed, The way the dev's were talking @ E3...I might need to go back and do two new runs @ full Paragon / Renegade, I have feeling that will play a big part in what you have to do. I already did them, but you know how it is...saves seem to get mixed up / disappear. Wana be allgood by the time it goes gold.
Kl1n3 7 months ago
I can't bring myself to use renegade, I just feel bad afterwards Dx.
Btw wrex is mega awesome 8O.
Raziel354 8 months ago
Great. Bugs are writing songs about you. Lol. Wrex is awesome.
moviegamefan1 8 months ago
I thought there'd be an option to just leave the queen there without doing anything.
delta5297 8 months ago
rachni scare the shit out of me
imascatmanworld 8 months ago 13
@imascatmanworld I think shes kind of cute :3
HellequinQueen 5 months ago
Im glad i killed her because the rachni almost destroyed the galaxy once so whos to say they won't do it again
MrMgranata93 8 months ago
@MrMgranata93 the ones who fought in the war were being forced to/controlled by someone/thing(reapers) Rachni as a species are NOT that aggressive as to star a war.
SolarScorpion39 8 months ago
@MrMgranata93 your comment obviously shows you didn't pay attention to a thing the queen said and if you bothered to save her you'd get an even better explanation when you run into the asari in illium in ME 2. Lord knows what players like you chose in games like dragon age 2. Because one mage turns blood mage,they must all be bad is an anaology of your comment
QuassDebonair 7 months ago
CRAP i shouldn't have killed her. Im always worried they will turn bad and ill have another problem to deal with
ZXeKK 9 months ago
@ZXeKK That's what I was thinking. "Better safe than sorry" came into my head. I guess I was 180 degrees off.
rhinnawi95 7 months ago
CRAP i shouldn't have killed her!
ZXeKK 9 months ago
before mass effect 2 was even mentioned I let the rachni queen go why because genocide is wrong no matter how dangerous a race is genocide isn't right. and plus in every war there are two sides of the story.
0senBlade 9 months ago
I saved it.
Themastercode1235 9 months ago
It's better to set her free than kill her. If the rachni returns, the truth of the rachni wars is revealed. The Reapers caused the rachni wars, and if the rachni returns, payback time
Supersmashodsts8 9 months ago
Something was forcing the Rachni to attack other lifeforms? From the way the Rachni Queen described it, it sounds almost like Reaper Indoctrination.... Brr...
LunaHeartnet 9 months ago
i fucking hate the soldiers so fucking much
kjavina1 10 months ago
At first I was going to kill her, because I read the Codex entry and thought they were too dangerous to live, but... but I was reminded of my favorite book, Ender's Game... damnit, so similar! Too similar! May your kind live in peace and prosperity, Rachni Queen!!
Peolacurei 10 months ago
@Peolacurei Holy shit I was just typing something like this when I looked down lol, i love the series
MrRiadon 10 months ago
man, they can help you know? as slaves or soldiers? :D
UnfortunateClick 1 year ago
I was pretty much a pure paragon, seeing renegade alternatives on YT makes me glad I was, because you can be a really heartless asshole as Shepard, sure some renegade actions are funny but I'd be ashamed to have committed most of them :/
Wish I killed Fist though, that guy was scum, ME2 be damned!
MarkArandjus 1 year ago
@postapocalyptia um sheperd=player so that doesn't make sense. also using wikias to find spoilers and make the decisions you want to have is FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNN! *magically flies away*
Desgax 1 year ago
@postapocalyptia i have a playthrough where i save everything just for mass effect 3. things you "save" include: rachni queen, Council [loyal/less asses then new ones plus saved Destiny Ascension], Wrex [help from clan urdnot?], Collecter Base, Geth Heretics [more geth to help+less geth to fight], and maybe others i forgot.
Desgax 1 year ago
@Desgax oh yeah maybe the quarians if Tali kept her ship status. i would also like to note the quarians probably survived a normal reaper attack (minus prothean scientists) because the location of The Migrant Fleet is always kept secret and the most obvious, no permanent settlement. as long as they hide they would've been fine. it's kind of to think the geth would've caused the survival of their Creators and also that they would join the Reapers.
Desgax 1 year ago
@postapocalyptia not really. that specific rachni was in cyro before the war started so she doesn't feel any resentment toward them plus another war would just plunge their race into another extinction. which is suicide and just retarded :/ plus Bioware is kind of giving it away when they say that the rachni queen will help you during "dark times". or what? she's gonna help you buy groceries? plus i see this ongoing thing where you either destroy or save something.
Desgax 1 year ago
those "oily shadows" and "sour yellow notes" are obviously the reapers controlling them. now that sovereign is dead (who might have been the controller) the rachni shouldn't be controlled again and so they should help you in mass effect 3 :D
Desgax 1 year ago
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supimAndriy 1 year ago
I killed the queen because it seemed dangerous to me. It controlled minds you know. I thought that later in game she will be my enemy and I didn't want a conspiracy (which I thought it to be ) to be succeeded.
sipraomer 1 year ago
"This is gonna be an interesting conversation" understatement of the year
survivor686 1 year ago
OH MY GOD JOHN GOODMAN GAME!
SuperPooply 1 year ago
Wrex always convinced me to kill the Rachni Queen. Only thing is now I kinda wish I'd made the connection that the Reapers indoctrinated the ones in the Rachni War.
MelvinFett 1 year ago
Well, I always play renegade. I really don't feel guilty when I kill someone or I am being a dick. I always think- there is galaxy to safe. Billions of life. I don't have time to safe everyone. If I have to sacrefice innocent people for galaxy's safety- I will do it. People might hate me, fear me. But I am not doing it for this. I am fighting for survival. So I will kill anything that can be dangerous to galaxy. I will kill anything that can slow me down. Because Reapers are coming. No morality.
Mitsurugichin 1 year ago
@Mitsurugichin
Would you really give up your own morality because your enemies have none? To lose your own humanity?
I think a Shepard quote best fits here:
"Not if we lose our humanity in the process!"
That's just how I feel about it, anyway. At least you'd have the galaxy's best interests at heart. I just hope we'd never cross paths. :P
FightingWhatsNormal 1 year ago
I let the Rachni Queen live. She sends a message to Shepard in ME2 letting him know that she will join him in his battle with the Reapers.
wjowsley 1 year ago
The last part made me sad......
SumthinMaybe 1 year ago
Saved both the Rachni and the Geth.
0PyramidHead 1 year ago
lol the armour ur wearing is from Eden Prime you do know there's other armours right lol
Aman184 1 year ago
In Mass Effect, I always play Paragon. I feel too much of a dick otherwise.
SuperChickencow 1 year ago
lol but what happens to those who would play Mass Effect 3 from scratch? Would the game assume you saved the queen or not? Arggg...I bought the first game having purchased the second initially so that I could understand the story better. I cannot imagine someone playing the third game without knowing anything about the other two games. I didn't kill the queen btw.
ferdo621 1 year ago
@ferdo621 It would use a default import, meaning that whatever your Shepard did during the previous ME games is pre-determined by the game itself. For example, I once played ME 2 without importing my Shepard from ME. The default story was that the council died, Udina became a councilor, Wrex was killed on Virmire, amond a bunch of other things even my Shepard never actually did those things in ME. I hope this helps.
LightButDark575 1 year ago
Wow. The renagade ending of this made me shudder :(
iAsian92 1 year ago
saving the rachni is so much better then killing them
Soma81 1 year ago
this is going to be a fun conversation!
fizzymcbonbon 1 year ago
i wouldnt trust the queen if only for her irritating, flowery, holier-than-thou attitude.
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
It would be totally hilarious if the queen could be a love interest in the third game:P
dfolkeparti 1 year ago