Barroso: EU has passed "reality test" on climate, economy

[brommaman40]

this is really great eu is a force of good a great union love this stand up and be proud of our eu union from brommaman stockholm sweden.

[kangurupt]

love your comment..thanks!:-)

[Greg260146]

kangurupt with respect - surely you must be ashamed of the patronising clap trap of Margot Wallstrom, Jose Barroso, Martin Schultz, Peter Mandelson, Graham Watson, and the many other self serving crass parasites that milk the tax payers of The Vassal States of the obscene EU. Surely you must be ashamed at the dishonest machinations and misrepresentations these grubby little men & women perform to enforce such crass and damaging concepts as The Lisbon so called Treaty on the unwilling peoples.

[Greg260146]

brommaman40 Do try very hard to show a single solitary benefit of the existence of the obscene concept of a centralised, increasingly militarised, communist styled undemocratic EUropean supra national empiric state - just one that begins to justify the huge damage, loss of freedom, liberty, sovereignty and self determination one need only look at the financial costs and the lunacy of Gallileo project which is a complete failure yet still continues just like the bankrupt Airbus or EASE What Gain?

[Greg260146]

You overlook the dishonest who seek to imply that which is not said, for gain. When speaking of politicians and Super States in the hope of their demise to decent, honest, informed people it is clear that it is conceptual - only a fool or a rascal would seek to portray it otherwise for propaganda or gain, or at very least their snout in the trough on the gravy train with the inept, parasitic and corrupt of the political class espousing supra national states like The EU, The USSR, NAFTA etc.

[Greg260146]

If The USSR was considered, by all who valued freedom and democracy, rights and values -- to be centralised, corrupt, undemocratic, over Bureaucratic and run by a Dictator Committee - to be an evil Concept forming THE enemy of the Western Free World For half a century --

how can anyone consider an near identical Soviet, when called the EU, to be anything other than an Evil Union?

Increasingly informed, honest, decent peoples empathise with a wish for death of politicians and Super States,

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

"informed, honest, decent people" and "death of politicians" are two concepts only found together in the utterances of criminals and madmen.

[Greg260146]

You overlook the dishonest who seek to imply that which is not said, for gain. When speaking of politicians and Super States in the hope of their demise to decent, honest, informed people it is clear that it is conceptual - only a fool or a rascal would seek to portray it otherwise for propaganda or gain, or at very least their snout in the trough on the gravy train with the inept, parasitic and corrupt of the political class espousing supra national states like The EU, The USSR, NAFTA etc.

[Greg260146]

The greatest reassurances for those who value liberty and democracy is that every step of the way towards the Political, Militaristic, centralised, corrupt, undemocratic EU has been founded on lies and distortion; in the main by odious self important arrogant rejects from their National politics. I can think of not a single supporter of the EU who does not found their concepts on me, me, me and greed founded on their own self styled importance. When these dishonest men fall out it WILL collapse.

[perkele0079]

It didn't pass the 'reality test' when France and the Netherlands voted NO, did it. The arrogance of the elites in pushing their own narrow agenda is staggering. If they don't like the result of a referendum, they'll put it through in a cosmetically modified form a second time.

[perkele0079]

We have to build a political movement by uniting the Eurosceptic parties across Europe to take Eurobullies in the EU Commission to task. Lisbon is nothing less than an erosion of national sovreignty sugarcoated in the rhetoric of 'integration' and 'common cause' or whatever.

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

"We have to build a political movement by uniting the Eurosceptic parties across Europe"

That group already exists: it's the Independence/Democracy Group of the European Parliament.

If only you europhobes put as much effort into learning about the EU as you do deriding it, you wouldn't make such fools of yourselves.

[Greg260146]

MarquisdeBarrabas said "That group already exists: it's the Independence/Democracy Group of the European Parliament."

This is of course bunkum - the Group in question is pro EU, advocates GREATER subsidiarity of vassal states, Refutes Britain's rebates dishonestly on the grounds that it penalises the poor to enrich Britain, advocates GREATER co-operation with EU committees to strengthen the EU.

What part of EUroScepticism are any of those aspirations?

[gschjetne]

If withdrawal from the EU is what they want, why do they even bother running for the EP?

I respect their political opinion, if they ever form a majority government in their own country, then fine, withdraw from the EU. The only thing they can do in the EP is obstructing the democratic process, and that is despicable.

[Greg260146]

gschjetne Your comment is really funny - do re-read it and you will realise that you are defining the complete failure of democracy. You even claim that to try to democratically campaign in the EU's pretend parliament is undemocratic!!! Just what kind of democracy does that make the obscene and communist style EU?

The EU offers no democracy in concept or principle - there is no debate and no meaningful vote even amongst the corrupt politicians.

[gschjetne]

So the national democracies have failed because the eurosceptics fail to make their countries withdraw? Or European democracy has failed because the eurosceptics fail to disband the EU?

It's only a democracy as long as everyone agrees with YOU.

[Greg260146]

gschjetne No the FACT that every time there has been a free and informed vote by the peoples, in what ever grouping, they have voted AGAINST what the central dictatorship of the EU has wanted to do and has then subsequently done contra the wishes of the peoples. Consider The New Constitution voted against by the French & the Dutch - the only informed people allowed a vote! Then repackaged exactly the same with a new name & voted against by the Irish who are being made to vote again! Democracy!!

[gschjetne]

And what is your definition of a free and informed vote?

Of course, one with an outcome that suits you.

The Eurosceptics are still in a very small majority against the liberals, greens, socialists and conservatives. I take it that was not a free and informed vote, then.

[gschjetne]

I mean of course minority, sorry about that.

[Greg260146]

gschjetne Do you find offensively trying to answer your own comments on my behalf is acceptable? I contend it says much of your lack of understanding of any concept of democracy.

In speaking of % of those wishing to hugely alter The corrupt dishonest and communist styled EU strangely named EUroSceptics by the EU itself the majority is undeniable. Of those wishing to LEAVE the EU in Britain it would seem to be a narrow majority.

If you wish to continue the discusion by all means ask questions!!

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

Did your little Azores Summit pass the test of reality too, Barroso?