I wouldn’t attribute the founding of Astronomy to the Muslims, but rather to the Babylonians or the Greeks. The circumference of the Earth was first measured by Eratosthenes, a Greek mathematician, in the 3rd century BC. Whether it was accurate is debatable, as it depends on if he used the Greek or the Egyptian “stadion”, both of which would make sense. Depending on which, it would be an error or either 16% or 2% respectively.
@Orv9322 The rise of Islam destroyed the literary inheritance of the Middle-East, forever dooming that region to become what we see today. It was considered a ray of knowledge and light in the dark ages, but Islam soon put an end to that.
@ComputerGamerify It would seem that the control of islam, as with allother religions, kept the population ignorant and thus prevented the people of the region from educating themselves and benefiting.
It is pointless to argue with ignorants. Educate yourself, read a book and then speak. or if so lazy, just google it, & you will find how foolish you are.
Islam lead science 7th-17 century AD, when Europeans were still living in caves.
If interested in knowledge & not just bashing, check these BBC documentaries (YouTube)
Science and Islam: Part 1: The Language of Science
@arraba99 Around 800 - 1300 AD is when Islam lead the world in Science, Philosophy, Mathematics etc. 2/3 of Stars have Arabic names, I don't deny this. I'm well aware of that and what I was referring too was the philosophy brought to Islam by Hamid al-Ghazali, the Idea that math originated from the devil, he labeled all the great scientists and philosopher that had contributed too this golden age as corrupter's of faith and their Greek Influences. Islam destroyed the middle east by imploding.
@arraba99 Also the cause of the Golden Age was not Islam, Enlightened rulers who moved away from the Islamic dogma were the cause of the "Islamic Golden Age" Akbar of India, moved so far away from the Islamic Dogma that he even founded the "deen-e-ilahi". Islams teachings didn't lead to these discoveries, logical and rational thinking based on evidence with influence of the Greeks did. Religion can't claim Scientific discoveries, because the very Idea of belief without proof contradicts it.
@Orv9322 I would contend that the Egyptians were centuries ahead of the Greeks in the fields of science, astronomy and mathematics and that it was due to the learning they did in Egypt that the Greek civilisation was as great as it was and that it is credited with so many discoveries and formulae. The Great pyramid at Giza's dimensions have precise relations to the size of the earth and to pi, which the Greeks are supposed to have discovered. Just Google items on the dimensions of the pyramids.
That Muslims minted currency is hardly anything special, both the Greeks and Romans did that long before. Cheques are believed to have been used by Romans in the 1st century BCE and perhaps by others even earlier than that. As for seals, I’m honestly not entirely sure what you mean, but if you mean it as a means of authentication that would probably be attributed to the Egyptians or once again, the Greeks.
You’re quite right about the currently used numerals being Arabic, although some of them have origins earlier than Islam. Algebra is also an achievement of Muslims, although the origins of it can be traced back as far as Babylon, almost 2000 years BCE, and from there through most of the great civilizations.
As for lawyers, the first ones were either Greek or Roman, depending on your definition.
First off, this message is not meant to be against Islam in any way, or even be about religion, I was merely curious about some of the scientific achievements you attributed to Islamic scientists, and as such I looked some of it up.
Now, your claim that Islam led science in every field between the 7th and 17th centuries, I found the Islamic Golden Age to be between the 8th and 13th centuries. While still impressive it is only half of the millennia you claimed.
That continued for about 10 years, where I unsuccessfully tried my best to distant my wife from religion. So one day she talked me into attending a lecture on Quran & Science, & I did.
One single item caught my attention, & started me on an off/on lengthy search, the verse about the Big Bang & also others about Stars & Erath
I studied six very detailed illustration volumes of the Quran (~600 pages each). Most people do not need all that time, Others are never convince
It is very saddening that you believe these myths so strongly and would guide your life by the evil teachings. What is worse is that you actually want them to be true. It is all fairy tales. There is no sane reason to believe. Religion has retarded the advancement of humanity.
@arraba99 I do not think that Muslim minorities in the west would appreciate being subjected to the same treatment that Muslims dish out to non-Muslims in Muslim states. In the interest of reciprocity, however, maybe they should be.
The worst imbeciles here are the ones who take these so called holy texts as the word of a non existent "god" or charlatans referred to a prophets. They shouls wake up and face reality and refrain fromguiding their actions according to idiotic religious doctrines.
“…no doubt that the Prophet Mohammad was one of the greatest reformers who have rendered great services to human society…he guided an entire nation to the light of truth and made it inclined towards tranquility and peace and preferred a life of asceticism and prevented bloodshed …He showed them the way to advancement in civilization. This is a great achievement …Such a man is deserving of respect and honour.”
@arraba99 no...sorry. I don't "take heed" of pedophiles or psychopathic murderers who convince themselves or others that a God wants them to kill people.
@arraba99 Mohammad was a delusional, psychopathic murderer and pedophile. That's what his stories depict him as.
Anyone who calls Mohammad 'great' has a backwards sense of the word. He was a scum who convinced idiots of fairy tales. Mohammad is L.Ron Hubbard with anger issues.
I believe in Moses and Jesus (PBUT) teachings but not the corrupted passages of the Bible & Talmud; but you will never hear me or any true Muslim attacking either with vile & vulgarity as you do. This is what Islam teaches us.
What does your belief system teaches you?
To deprave yourself by profanity and vile against those you disagree with?
Must you sink this low?
Read the Quran, it may elevate you from your gutter existence.
@arraba99 So...you believe that a fraction of a book is from God, but the rest isn't. How is that suppose to work? God can only keep his book 1/2 good?
I've read the Qu'ran. It's as bad as the bible.
I find it interesting you tell me I'm depraved for saying something 'vile' against those I disagree with, then tell me I have a gutter existence. I'm surprised you didn't show your true colors by threatening my life.
If you truly read the Quran, and do NOT think that it is superior to any other creation, then you have understood nothing of it. This would be an issue of IQ and Intellect. As I said, can NOT help you with that.
You just have to read more and not rely on Fox, CNN & Hollywood for your view of the world. Too complex to sum up in few sound bites, the limit of apparent comprehension.
with an IQ 155-165 on 2 tests & can NOT stop marveling at the Quran’s genius.
@arraba99 So destroying the ancient Temples in Iraq during the Islamic revolution an act of peace, tranquility, did that prevent bloodshed? why don't you tell that to the martyrs of the faith? the way to advancing civilization? what the! the same faith that came from the backwards and most uneducated parts of the middle east? an ancient text that came from a time where humans thought the earth was flat?
They instituted and separated the Judiciary system from the executive one ad founded the Lawyer profession. In fact Lawyers dress code now is remnant from Muslims/Arabs.
They minted currency and invented Cheques and seals
They instituted women property rights and equality to the man, when women were inherited like chattels in west.
They commoditized paper making
… long list
They have been going through low ebb lately but they will recover.
@arraba99 We all have a lot to learn, but you still didn't answer my question? all of that you put forward to me there is debatable, science came from the heart of the west, religion professes blind faith, it couldn't have come from Islam nor any religion for that fact....I don't doubt for a minute that Arabs influenced Medievil Europe on certain social and economical levels, i am just saying it wouldn't have come from Islam.
@arraba99 I am not asking you to fix my ignorance nor do i want an apology from you, and don't tell me that my heart is filled with hate, it was from a Muslim person that told me that my life is worthless because i don't believe in the Koran, your very arrogant.
Yes I am arrogant and even contemptuous with profane and vile mouthed or intellectually dishonest characters. Have no time for them.
As for those who disagree 100% with Islam/Quran/Noble prophet but respectfully and without profanity, I most humble in my dealings with them.
Profanity, vile mouths are signs of deficient intellect and bankrupt morality neither of which deserve respect. I also have no time for ignorant and intellectually dishonest trolls.
@arraba99 I haven't once been vile? or intellectually dishonest? arrogance is a social deficiency,I quote Salman Rushdie"I do not need the idea of God to explain the world I live in".
@arraba99 I have never heard such an arrogant claim by one person in my life, Muslims will tell you that what they believe in is right and superior to an unbeliever, on what authority do they have to say that? the "Koran is one of the great evils in the world" punishment for apostasy is death,I quote Christopher Hitchens' contemptuous towards women, coercive towards children, "indoctrination at child birth is child abuse" allied to racism, tribalism and bigotry, hostile to free inquiry. A7A
@arraba99 You obviously haven't read his books then? he would school you in a debate!, to have a god know your every move, know where you eat and have sex and in what position, a god that can convict you of thought crime, just for what you think, is the wish to be an abject slave who cannot think for himself and or has no individuality.i quote Frank Zappa" how many people have died from the Kama Sutra as opposed to the Koran or the Bible? answer that you pious bigot?
@arraba99 I don't depend on a quack like Rushdie, i am simply quoting him, because he makes a lot of sense in the Satanic Verses he narrated? he published the truth, and apparently the Muslim world can't handle that? issuing a Fatwah against him for his corpse for simply citing words of the Koran is hardly moral?
@arraba99 the "SO CALLED" prophet was illiterate and un educated, why would God deceive his own messenger and send an illiterate man to reveal the revelation?
Leo Tolstoy two most famous works, War and Peace & Anna Karenina, are acknowledged as two of the greatest novels of all time. Tolstoy is known for his extreme moralistic and ascetic views, and became noted as a moral thinker and social reformer.
His ideas on nonviolent resistance, had a profound impact on Mohandas Gandhi & Martin Luther King. Jr.
“Mohammad’s religion [Islam] will prevail over the whole world, as it is in conformity with mind and wisdom."
@arraba99 You are wrong when quoting, Mohammad's religion "ISLAM" will not prevail over the whole world, Islam will implode eventually! people lead double lives in the faith, I am sure they're would be muslims that dislike the faith and no longer want it, want to leave but can't therefore they leave double lives because they do not want to die, and having nonstop sex and having baby after baby doesn't constitute a mass of quality individuals, it's hard for parents to look after 13 kids at once.
Islam led the world in every field( 7th-17th) century, while west lived in caves; thought science was from devil; earth was flat; scientist were impaled & boiled alive for heresy and women were inherited as chattels….etc. from 12-16th century German, British, & Europeans student were coming to Bagdad Universities for educations
Usual when something is plagiarized, it would be of lower quality than the original. Why is the Quran superior to any other holly book (corrupted by man) and that is by the testimony of respected western thinkers.
At any case, the Noble Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and the Quran recognize Moses and Jesus (PBUT) as predecessors to Islam.
They all belong the one Creator of this universe, kit follows that their teachings (original) are similar.
@arraba99 I highly doubt your more qualified than a physicist or a biologist? we were not created! get your small proportioned head out of the Koran and read something of great moral value! why don't you read a book on Charles Darwin? you ignoramus!
But, I must say that your comments demonstrate either ignorance of Islam/Arab history or intellectual dishonesty. When you deny the historical fact, no scholar disputes that Islam was the driver of Muslims/Arabs leadership of civilization 7th-17th century. This is ignorance. If you know it and persist. This would intellectual dishonest.
Reverts and criminal/ex-drug abusing converts are among the most fervent and loudmouthed religious zealots there are, ceaselessly trying to push their religion on others, insert it into any subject matter, or generally defend it even in situations that make it indefensible.
Even less rational than the average believer, these people let the religion consume their lives and leave little mental space for anything else.
@arraba99 I admire your nobility and honor of what you sincerely believe in(Koran), I will quote Dr Richard Dawkins " There are university students that can provide competent papers, majors minors etc, however they hold a different personal belief which is incoherent with what they practice" my question is this, there are some teachers of astrophysics that are of faith, why would they teach something that there faith teaches the opposite?
I hope you do not use near scripted reply to me; Dr. Dawkins quote does not & would never apply to me. I employ cold logical to a fault, & I am often un-flattered about it. I would NOT do anything, I was not convinced of. Thus studying Astrophysics namely lead me to disbelief; because I could not reconcile what I learned with what I thought of as Islam’s simplistic view of the universe. At the time, I knew 1-2% of the simplest & chapters of Quran, from high school
@arraba99 so it took God 3 attempts to get it right? The Koran is easily corruptible by man, why is there Sunni and Shia? an obvious misinterpretation!
@themanningsjdsjjj If you knew anything at all about Sam Harris you would know he calims all religions are nonsense and cause harm to society. Islam just happens to be one of the worst whenit comes to free speech and human rights.
I know that already. Notice I did not send that statement to you.
The Catholics were far worse than the Islamists.
And the US Government which obviously has no religious affiliation is worse than both of them. And you will soon find this out the very hard way. We all will.
Sam Harris is absolutely correct about the threat of islam to the West and we all must wake up to what these murderous fanatics are all about. At some point it comes down to a simple desision.... them or us.
@arraba99 where? Because I HAVE read the Qu'ran and I've heard Harris many times reference parts that definitely there. If he hasn't read the entire thing cover to cover, he's certainly read parts of it, and has a more than adequate understanding of it.
the Qu'ran has as much or more nonsense as the Talmud or Bible. You're just too fucking stupid and biased to see it. I pity you.
I used to think that these Books are similar (Talmud, Bible, Quran). I could not be more wrong. I am researching Talmud/Bible now and I am SHELL SHOCKED:
Talmud: Sanhedrin: 59a on women, children
Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum
Rab also said: He who follows his wife's counsel will descend into Gehenna (wickedness), for it is written
@arraba99 the explanation is that you are a blind biased lying Muslim apologist, because actually the Qu'ran actually IS just as horrible as anything in the Talmud (Muhammad copied many of his bad ideas from the Jews, after all), and the shit in the hadith is probably even worse.
@arraba99 think for 1 second, if you can. What is worse? One old passage nobody knows about condoning sodomizing infants? Or the "most perfect being who ever lived and example for all mankind" openly raping a child and calling it the will of God? There is not ONE SINGLE Jew alive today who would seek to justify infant sodomy with religion. NOT ONE. Yet child rape (aka marriage) happens all over the Muslim world. It is legal, socially acceptable, and HAPPENING TODAY.
BROOKLYN -- Rabbi Baruch Lebovits, 59, the wealthy owner of a travel agency in Borough Park, Brooklyn, was hit Monday with a lengthy prison term for sexually abusing a then-16 year old teenager from his neighborhood.
Lebovits, a father of seven children and grandfather to twenty four, had long been the subject of talk in his community, but no action was ever taken against him, until three alleged victims came forward a couple of years
@arraba99 lol shhhhhhhh, go away idiot.. You don't even know the definition of the word fact.
You can spend your days trying to demonize other religions and beliefs in a desperate attempt to hide the FACT, that Islam is the most violent totalitarian "religion" on the planet.
@kalbahamut List of rabbis molesting Children: Google them: Shlomo Aviner (Rosh Yeshiva; Lewis Brenner; Ephraim Bryks; Shlomo Carlebach; Perry Ian Cohen; Yitzchak Cohen; Ephraim Goldberg; Cantor Sidney Goldenberg; Cantor Joel Gordon; Israel Grunwald; Yehudah Friedlander; Rabbi at Hillel Torah, Chicago, IL; Solomon Hafner; Shneur Horowitz, sodomizing a 9-year-old psychiatric child; Jacob Frank; Israel Kestenbaum; Robert Kirschner; 50 more Rabbis in list, one with Granddaughter !!!
I have a list of 105 Rabbis who were convicted of molesting little boys and girls even their own grandchildren. This is not accidental, there is a correlation between their action and their belief as stated in Talmud: Sanhadren 59a that says sodomizing children as young as 3 years old is OK.
Why do you not condemn such sick teachings?
Twisted! “Zionists are against Islam, because it would execute such twisted sickso!
@arraba99 I've never heard a rabbi defending child molestation in reilgious terms. Please link me to a video or article where one does, and I will concede the point. I live in Saudi Arabia. Several times per year I see a newspaper story here about some 60-80 year old man marrying some 8-14 year old girl. Some people argue that this should be outlawed, but they are immediately shouted down by those who say the "Prophet" fucked Aisha when she was a child and that he was perfect. Quran is fucked.
I do not necessarily agree nor support corrupt "Saudi Royals" who are keeping their people backward and fuelling their extremism to distract from their corruption. Who is propping them? America !
Disgrace to their people, Islam/Arabs
The Noble Prophet married Aisha when she was 17-21 (19)
I assess Faith/ideology & its claimed adherent independently
Hardly 5% the 1.5B Muslim qualify as true Muslims, including myself
That is the major cause of their backwardness & some extremism.
105 Rabbis convicted of molesting children, Google it
Shlomo Aviner, Rosh Yeshiva; Lewis Brenner; Ephraim Bryks; Shlomo Carlebach; Perry Ian Cohen; Yitzchak Cohen; Ephraim Goldberg; Cantor Sidney Goldenberg; Cantor Joel Gordon; Israel Grunwald; Yehudah Friedlander; Rabbi at Hillel Torah; Solomon Hafner; Shneur Horowitz, sodomizing 9-yrs-old; Jacob Frank …etc
Although having read the quran would make ones argument against it better just observing the culture and behavior of muslims indicates it is as rediculous as christianity.
To accept religion and god and scripture is to ignore knowledge. It is the suspension of physical laws and properties and to submit to the doctrines of a belief of a dictator "god". It is to refrain from thinking for oneself and submit to being controlled.
If someone knocks down science without knowledge, we call him ignorant. Do not knock down Quran without knowledge. If you are atheist and claim reason; the first dictate of REASON is to know.
Do not knock it down based on Hollywood & media sound bites & the likes of Sam who admits to never reading the Quran or commentators who twist things for their own agenda.
Check all American atheist Dr. Laurence Brown (Episode 3) search for truth
@arraba99 When has Hollywood EVER "twisted the quran to fit their agenda?" Never, they, and the media, don't need to. Every day we are witness to the "loving" nature of its tenets; "honour" killings(Canada last week parents kill 3 daughters), beheadings, torture etc, etc, etc, on and on. Oh, sorry, we are being lied to, and islam(submission), sharia, death by stoning etc is something we should all embrace isn't it???
It matters not to me who believes in whatever religion. I want nothing of it and am insulted when they try to tell me I am doomed. I will and have been very aggressive to religious people who confront me with idiotic beliefs. Keep it personal !!!!!
I believe I did answer your question. Because the subject of this video is islam. Also excluded from this clip is buddism, hindu and all other religions. Christianity is nothing more than the sequel to judaism. On other discussions he comments about all religions. They are all false !!!
The title to this clip is somewhat misleading. Harris isn't saying that all Muslims do not have a clue about civil society. He is referring to a percentage of British Muslims reflected in a poll. Let's not go putting words in the man's mouth.
In his book, Sam states that “most Muslims are deranged". This is the speech of unlearned & ignorant, malicious minds with venomous heart or both
He sidesteps facts with irrational proclamation to promote anti-Muslims agenda. Any sensible person would recognize his complete lack of credibility & integrity. Actually, he undermines whatever he “stands for”
But, why attack Christianity/Islam but not Judaism, despite it being in scripture & action as/more violent
@arraba99 I don't know about his book, which has nothing to do with my comment here. All I know is that the title on this clip doesn't reflect what he states within it.
@arraba99 Obviously you know nothing about Sam Harris. His views apply to all religions. Although they differ from doctrine and certain beliefs they are all evil and ridiculous, unbelieveable and utter nonsense. His topic in this discussion was islam.
You still have not answered my question. Why does he not criticize Judaism, but only babbles, with out much support, mostly about Islam and Christianity. His bias is displayed on this and all his "entertainment" videos. This leads doubting his credibility and questioning his motives. Simple! 1+1 = 2 not 3. Give me rational convincing answers
@allanhill1 Indeed...the one who doesn't require you to believe what he believes and only asks to be left alone in peace to do his thing is FAR more trustworthy and less likely to cause world war three than the ones who demand you believe what they do, respect it and don't try to stop them spreading it. No wonder history is littered with examples of Muslims and Christians murdering Jews....must be annoying to see the people you stole your religion from not agreeing with you.
@arraba99 I hate all semitic religions. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are retarded.The one thing that makes me fonder of Jews is that they do not care if I worship their god, but I always get Muslims and Christians at my doorstep every weekend giving me leaflets.
@dakulol "Judaism never was, is not now and never will become monotheistic".~~~Jordan Maxwell. You made a good comment. If you have not yet heard of Michael Tsarion, please check him out on youtube. Tsarion does not make cliche statements. He has done massive research into occult subject matter. He also has a clue that semitic 'religions' are not monotheistic. Christians are football enthusists, not religous people.
The reason you never got Jews coming to your door, because Judaism came to the Israelites specifically and so did Jesus (PBUH) was also sent to the Israelites but was rejected. But, Jesus (PBUH) followers accepted and worked to spread it beyond and later the Romans accepted it and propgated.
Judaism to this day is still treated as Pseudo-National-Religious movement for the “Hebrews”.
Muslims do not Have a clue about what constitutes a civil society' .... It proves how IGNORANT u r brother.... Why u guys become so opportunist.... !!!!
@irfanmindian He is right. Begin with your "zionist owned media propaganda" BS now. There is a reason why the state of Muslim countries is the way it is.
The audacity of us human beings to even try to discern the existence of a GOD is extremely arrogant, since we do not have the mental intellect or capacity to do so in the first place.....so keep contemplating nonsensical conjectural debate with more and more non-provable rhetoric!
The truth can only suffocate ignorants, bigots, weak minded and the illogical. Intelligent people with integrity are never suffocated by the truth, they accept (some emrace) it even if they do not fully agree with it, nor follow it or apply it.
Obviously he knows nothing about evolution. He reads the quran. And yes islam is fading along with all other religions. Very slowly mind you but education is these bronze age concepts. .
I have provided my premise and few of my arguments which does not seem to convince you. That is fair. So enlighten me with your premise and supporting arguments. Who created the universe? How this perfect balance to maintain came to be? Who created you? How was your body designed to function the way it does (heart/cells/brain)? Why do you exist, your purpose? What happens to you soul/spirit after death? How did earth’s differing millions of species came to be? awaiting answers!
Also those who follow religion reject knowledge, do not use reason and have yet to date provide any sound arguments !! This is apparent in every debate and recognized by many scholars and scientists.
No sir. I attack the idiocy of religion. It sticks its ugly face in my life everyday !!!!! It is evil and those who follow it are sadly deluded and preach it !!! I have never used profanity NEVER !!! I would appreciate an apology for that accusation.
Well christianity is more moderate than islam but nonetheless as evil. As Hitchens professes, and quite acurately, both these factions or occults as I dub them are anxious for the next life. One of them may provoke the transition. Iran's nuclear project comes to mind.
Would someone like to inform him that theology is fading. Statistics show that as the world become more educated the people give up religious beliefs. Its the dinosaur.
@allanhill1 Pretty sure I remember him saying that we don't have time to wait. It's getting easier and easier for a few to cause horrible stuff to thousands and maybe even millions. We can't wait for hundreds of years for Islam to find it's path to moderation like Christianity has.
Christianity is great religion, Quran says about it.
Ch. 5/Vers 82: they who say, "Behold, we are Christians," come closest to feeling affection for those who believe [in this divine writ]: this is so because there are priests and monks among them, and because these are not given to arrogance.
But respectfully & sadly, it is becoming more & more irrelevant by compromising its principles and religious role by pandering to decadent & G-dless minority.
@arraba99 It's not a great religion, I have to respectfully disagree. By the book, it's as nasty for our time as any other religious doctrine from so long ago. Good intentioned, but frighteningly outdated. Those who internally update and edit it, finding parts they believe in, rejecting other parts, seem by definition not true Christians. They may be great, moral, educated people, but by the books own infallible definition they're not true Christians. It's deeply dated and flawed in my opinion.
@LunarPoet If you put my feet to the fire I'd say Christianity has found no path to moderation. Not really. People willing to edit the bible themselves, internally, moderate horrific first century nonsense. Yes. This is not to say Christianity has moderated itself, nor is it to say those who believe the parts they want have moderated Christianity BECAUSE Christianity would tell them they aren't real Christians for doing so. Christianity is doing a perfect doctrinal job of staying ridiculous.
Now this arraba person thinks being religious is akin to being of high intellect and well educated. It is quite the opposite. Adopting a religious is to reject education and intellect. This is why they resort to insults. They have no intellectual argument. !!!
Not so; knowledge, reason, & sound arguments makes intellect no matter what ones person’s belief. But, I have yet to detect any traces of that in your childish attacks. I give you reason, which you do not have to agree with, but you respond with insults and profanity. A sign of deficient knowledge, reason, intellect & integrity. Your immoral behaviour make the case for religion. I respond to your person (not your belief, if any) in kind, then you cry wolf. Your jig is up
Hello papermaid. Ever notice how when believers are losing they resort to insults and name calling? Instead of providing facts and logic. Its ok they are just deluded. Not their fault
Not only you are ignorant, you are also dishonest. I see personally attacking one after another cursing people belief and ideas and when you are paid back in kind, you cry wolf. Man up, or shut up, respectfully though. Seriously, do you not have anything of substance to say except attacking Christians & Muslim and any one who does think like you! It simple, READ, research, educate yourself, use gained knowledge in meaningful exchanges. Try it it may work.
Evolution !!! The most plausible answer to most of your questions. we do not know how the universe came to be. When we die that's it!! None of theology's answers make any sense and I suspect never will.
Another Zionist said, she was 3 years old! And elephants fly.
Zionist can make them fly, if it suites them, in the thought-controlled West. They can not do that with Muslims; hence they hate them & continue to bash & agitate against them and manipulate the West to fight them.
Pseudo-Semitic Satanic Zionists managed to corrupt (Jews) & Western values. They make up .002% of Americans, but have 70-90% influence on its election, congress, policy & critical institutions.
Islam is spreading like wild fire and especially in the west. Check it out and weep. I think bigots like will die out and the enlightened will flourish, this is G-d's law that has been proven over the full span human history. Your likes are gradually but surely are going the way of the Dinosaurs, extinction.
@arraba99 the ebola virus is highly infectious, just like religion, just because your brand of lunacy (islam) is more popular or is rising more rapidly does 0 to support the truth of the claims they make. Yes a virus may be spreading very fast, but is it good just because of this? I fail to see the point you are trying to make, and don't bother trying to clarify as the sad limits of your intellect have been painfully shown for all to see... I say again, death to Islam.
Another one just crawled from under a rock. And where may I ask you have evolved from? Lizards, Worms, Beetles, Woodlice ... or something else that may fancy your primitive imagination stunted intellect.
"Death to Islam..." is this the best argument you can come up. A 5 grader can do better than that. Well, Islam is not dying, it is actually spreading as we speak.
You may have provided some arguments but none that have any credibility in my opinion. I will continiue to criticise every chance since theists continually push their agenda to spread the word and try to have influence on my life. this is done through politics institutions and other media. None of your claims are verifiable since trhe beginning of religion there has not been one iota of evidence to believe any religious claims. Sorry thats just the way it is
See how religion warps peoples minds. Look at the posting of this arraba99 character. He still feels it is up to usa to disprove god. Moronic for sure but actually very sad. Most theists are brainwashed to think in this manner because to think otherwise would be to question their religion which is not acceptable to the doctrine.
Respectfully, stick to logic, instead of mindless attacks. I am asserting that this complex universe with billion of galaxies, trillions of stars, our human existence (physical, mental, awareness were created by a supreme being, we call G-d (Allah), I have provided my supporting arguments for that. What is your assertion and supporting. Disprove me assertion and provide your own assertion and supporting arguments as I have. Stick to reason not attacks.
@arraba99 My thinking almost always uses logic. I make mistakes like anyone. I am asserting nothiing unlike yourself. I am stating that your arguments for the existence of a magic man in the sky who created the universe and everything it it is not believeable and is completely devoid of logic, common sense and rational thought.It is your burden to provide a sensical reason to think there is this magic being.....
I have provided my premise and few of my arguments which does not seem to convince you. That is fair. So enlighten me with your premise and supporting arguments. Who created the universe? How this perfect balance to maintain came to be? Who created you? How was your body designed to function the way it does (heart, cells, brains)? Why do you exist, your purpose? What happens to you soul/spirit after death? How did earth’s differing millions of species came to be?
And I understand your sentiments. However all religions are wrong and by nature wish to influence society to adhere to their doctrines. Even mild supporters are a problem.
To Allanhill and others: Done that been there, on doubting religion/creator. I am person reason and logic. I have yet to hear logical/factual arguments to support your claim. So 1) Read the Quran, then disprove it, f you can. This Quran itself challenge the reader in 2nd chapter 2nd verse of 2nd chapter, take the challenge, nothing to lose; 2) The onus of proof is just as much on you as it is on religion to prove/disprove G-d, this two ways. It is pointless to argue without knowledge.
I apologize as I do not intend to hurt ones feelings. However I will not refrain from being direct even though in may seem insulting. Religion is evil and stupid. Learn this to avoid ridicule!!!!!
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Neosaigo 2 days ago
extreme retard ((:
TheAmch0 4 days ago
@arraba99
I wouldn’t attribute the founding of Astronomy to the Muslims, but rather to the Babylonians or the Greeks. The circumference of the Earth was first measured by Eratosthenes, a Greek mathematician, in the 3rd century BC. Whether it was accurate is debatable, as it depends on if he used the Greek or the Egyptian “stadion”, both of which would make sense. Depending on which, it would be an error or either 16% or 2% respectively.
I did not look the rest up due to lack of time.
Orv9322 5 days ago
@Orv9322 The rise of Islam destroyed the literary inheritance of the Middle-East, forever dooming that region to become what we see today. It was considered a ray of knowledge and light in the dark ages, but Islam soon put an end to that.
ComputerGamerify 5 days ago
@ComputerGamerify It would seem that the control of islam, as with allother religions, kept the population ignorant and thus prevented the people of the region from educating themselves and benefiting.
allanhill1 2 days ago
@ComputerGamerify
It is pointless to argue with ignorants. Educate yourself, read a book and then speak. or if so lazy, just google it, & you will find how foolish you are.
Islam lead science 7th-17 century AD, when Europeans were still living in caves.
If interested in knowledge & not just bashing, check these BBC documentaries (YouTube)
Science and Islam: Part 1: The Language of Science
Science and Islam: Part 2: The Empire of Reason
arraba99 6 hours ago
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@arraba99 Around 800 - 1300 AD is when Islam lead the world in Science, Philosophy, Mathematics etc. 2/3 of Stars have Arabic names, I don't deny this. I'm well aware of that and what I was referring too was the philosophy brought to Islam by Hamid al-Ghazali, the Idea that math originated from the devil, he labeled all the great scientists and philosopher that had contributed too this golden age as corrupter's of faith and their Greek Influences. Islam destroyed the middle east by imploding.
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@arraba99 Also the cause of the Golden Age was not Islam, Enlightened rulers who moved away from the Islamic dogma were the cause of the "Islamic Golden Age" Akbar of India, moved so far away from the Islamic Dogma that he even founded the "deen-e-ilahi". Islams teachings didn't lead to these discoveries, logical and rational thinking based on evidence with influence of the Greeks did. Religion can't claim Scientific discoveries, because the very Idea of belief without proof contradicts it.
ComputerGamerify 4 hours ago
@Orv9322 I would contend that the Egyptians were centuries ahead of the Greeks in the fields of science, astronomy and mathematics and that it was due to the learning they did in Egypt that the Greek civilisation was as great as it was and that it is credited with so many discoveries and formulae. The Great pyramid at Giza's dimensions have precise relations to the size of the earth and to pi, which the Greeks are supposed to have discovered. Just Google items on the dimensions of the pyramids.
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Orv9322 5 days ago
@arraba99
That Muslims minted currency is hardly anything special, both the Greeks and Romans did that long before. Cheques are believed to have been used by Romans in the 1st century BCE and perhaps by others even earlier than that. As for seals, I’m honestly not entirely sure what you mean, but if you mean it as a means of authentication that would probably be attributed to the Egyptians or once again, the Greeks.
Orv9322 5 days ago
@arraba99
You’re quite right about the currently used numerals being Arabic, although some of them have origins earlier than Islam. Algebra is also an achievement of Muslims, although the origins of it can be traced back as far as Babylon, almost 2000 years BCE, and from there through most of the great civilizations.
As for lawyers, the first ones were either Greek or Roman, depending on your definition.
Orv9322 5 days ago
@arraba99
First off, this message is not meant to be against Islam in any way, or even be about religion, I was merely curious about some of the scientific achievements you attributed to Islamic scientists, and as such I looked some of it up.
Now, your claim that Islam led science in every field between the 7th and 17th centuries, I found the Islamic Golden Age to be between the 8th and 13th centuries. While still impressive it is only half of the millennia you claimed.
Orv9322 5 days ago
@MrTimfroude
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That continued for about 10 years, where I unsuccessfully tried my best to distant my wife from religion. So one day she talked me into attending a lecture on Quran & Science, & I did.
One single item caught my attention, & started me on an off/on lengthy search, the verse about the Big Bang & also others about Stars & Erath
I studied six very detailed illustration volumes of the Quran (~600 pages each). Most people do not need all that time, Others are never convince
arraba99 6 days ago
It is very saddening that you believe these myths so strongly and would guide your life by the evil teachings. What is worse is that you actually want them to be true. It is all fairy tales. There is no sane reason to believe. Religion has retarded the advancement of humanity.
allanhill1 6 days ago
@MrTimfroude
Islam & science 2
Developed & used empirical scientific method; precursor to modern discoveries
Founded Astronomy & accurately measured earth circumference
Founded psychoanalysis to treat patience
Performed C-sections and surgeries
Advanced Philosophy, Hydraulics
Invented the concept of universities, library systems
Gave non-Muslims minorities’ full autonomy in governing their civil affairs; as Muslim minorities are asking for in West.
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 I do not think that Muslim minorities in the west would appreciate being subjected to the same treatment that Muslims dish out to non-Muslims in Muslim states. In the interest of reciprocity, however, maybe they should be.
kangurism 1 week ago
The worst imbeciles here are the ones who take these so called holy texts as the word of a non existent "god" or charlatans referred to a prophets. They shouls wake up and face reality and refrain fromguiding their actions according to idiotic religious doctrines.
allanhill1 2 weeks ago
Great Tolstoy says 2:
He continues:
“…no doubt that the Prophet Mohammad was one of the greatest reformers who have rendered great services to human society…he guided an entire nation to the light of truth and made it inclined towards tranquility and peace and preferred a life of asceticism and prevented bloodshed …He showed them the way to advancement in civilization. This is a great achievement …Such a man is deserving of respect and honour.”
Would any of you imbeciles take heed!
arraba99 2 weeks ago
@arraba99 So Tolstoy was an idiot. Good to know.
TomFynn 2 weeks ago
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@TomFynn
You said: "So Tolstoy was an idiot. Good to know."
With your intellect or lack of, you will probably not make past the first page of any his books.
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 no...sorry. I don't "take heed" of pedophiles or psychopathic murderers who convince themselves or others that a God wants them to kill people.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage
it is your ignorance, hate or maliciousness talking
World & West’s’ greats testify to Mohammad greatness
200,000 yearly Western converts to Islam do the same.
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 Mohammad was a delusional, psychopathic murderer and pedophile. That's what his stories depict him as.
Anyone who calls Mohammad 'great' has a backwards sense of the word. He was a scum who convinced idiots of fairy tales. Mohammad is L.Ron Hubbard with anger issues.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago 2
@TheHigherVoltage
I believe in Moses and Jesus (PBUT) teachings but not the corrupted passages of the Bible & Talmud; but you will never hear me or any true Muslim attacking either with vile & vulgarity as you do. This is what Islam teaches us.
What does your belief system teaches you?
To deprave yourself by profanity and vile against those you disagree with?
Must you sink this low?
Read the Quran, it may elevate you from your gutter existence.
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 So...you believe that a fraction of a book is from God, but the rest isn't. How is that suppose to work? God can only keep his book 1/2 good?
I've read the Qu'ran. It's as bad as the bible.
I find it interesting you tell me I'm depraved for saying something 'vile' against those I disagree with, then tell me I have a gutter existence. I'm surprised you didn't show your true colors by threatening my life.
Nice double standard there cult dude.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@TheHigherVoltage
If you truly read the Quran, and do NOT think that it is superior to any other creation, then you have understood nothing of it. This would be an issue of IQ and Intellect. As I said, can NOT help you with that.
You just have to read more and not rely on Fox, CNN & Hollywood for your view of the world. Too complex to sum up in few sound bites, the limit of apparent comprehension.
with an IQ 155-165 on 2 tests & can NOT stop marveling at the Quran’s genius.
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 Other people's opinions don't impress me. Neither do books sold as more than books.
TheHigherVoltage 1 week ago
@arraba99 what about the ex Muslim community, you only look at one side of the argument here?
MrTimfroude 1 week ago
@arraba99 So destroying the ancient Temples in Iraq during the Islamic revolution an act of peace, tranquility, did that prevent bloodshed? why don't you tell that to the martyrs of the faith? the way to advancing civilization? what the! the same faith that came from the backwards and most uneducated parts of the middle east? an ancient text that came from a time where humans thought the earth was flat?
MrTimfroude 1 week ago
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arraba99 1 week ago
@MrTimfroude
Islam/science 3
They instituted and separated the Judiciary system from the executive one ad founded the Lawyer profession. In fact Lawyers dress code now is remnant from Muslims/Arabs.
They minted currency and invented Cheques and seals
They instituted women property rights and equality to the man, when women were inherited like chattels in west.
They commoditized paper making
… long list
They have been going through low ebb lately but they will recover.
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 We all have a lot to learn, but you still didn't answer my question? all of that you put forward to me there is debatable, science came from the heart of the west, religion professes blind faith, it couldn't have come from Islam nor any religion for that fact....I don't doubt for a minute that Arabs influenced Medievil Europe on certain social and economical levels, i am just saying it wouldn't have come from Islam.
MrTimfroude 1 week ago
@MrTimfroude
Sorry, I can not fix your ignorance with 500 characters, nor your hate filled heart.
You have to fix that through knowledge, read history and you will find the truth.
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 I am not asking you to fix my ignorance nor do i want an apology from you, and don't tell me that my heart is filled with hate, it was from a Muslim person that told me that my life is worthless because i don't believe in the Koran, your very arrogant.
MrTimfroude 1 week ago
@MrTimfroude
Yes I am arrogant and even contemptuous with profane and vile mouthed or intellectually dishonest characters. Have no time for them.
As for those who disagree 100% with Islam/Quran/Noble prophet but respectfully and without profanity, I most humble in my dealings with them.
Profanity, vile mouths are signs of deficient intellect and bankrupt morality neither of which deserve respect. I also have no time for ignorant and intellectually dishonest trolls.
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 I haven't once been vile? or intellectually dishonest? arrogance is a social deficiency,I quote Salman Rushdie"I do not need the idea of God to explain the world I live in".
MrTimfroude 1 week ago
@arraba99 I have never heard such an arrogant claim by one person in my life, Muslims will tell you that what they believe in is right and superior to an unbeliever, on what authority do they have to say that? the "Koran is one of the great evils in the world" punishment for apostasy is death,I quote Christopher Hitchens' contemptuous towards women, coercive towards children, "indoctrination at child birth is child abuse" allied to racism, tribalism and bigotry, hostile to free inquiry. A7A
MrTimfroude 1 week ago
@MrTimfroude
You are quoting a flip-flopping Atheist quack on religion and Islam. Get real.
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 You obviously haven't read his books then? he would school you in a debate!, to have a god know your every move, know where you eat and have sex and in what position, a god that can convict you of thought crime, just for what you think, is the wish to be an abject slave who cannot think for himself and or has no individuality.i quote Frank Zappa" how many people have died from the Kama Sutra as opposed to the Koran or the Bible? answer that you pious bigot?
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arraba99 1 week ago
@MrTimfroude
You really depend on quack like Rushdie on your view of the world.
Tthink, why is it that he was unknown till he attacked Isalm?
Wher was his litrary skills, Then?
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 I don't depend on a quack like Rushdie, i am simply quoting him, because he makes a lot of sense in the Satanic Verses he narrated? he published the truth, and apparently the Muslim world can't handle that? issuing a Fatwah against him for his corpse for simply citing words of the Koran is hardly moral?
MrTimfroude 6 days ago
@arraba99 the "SO CALLED" prophet was illiterate and un educated, why would God deceive his own messenger and send an illiterate man to reveal the revelation?
MrTimfroude 1 week ago
Great Tolstoy says 1:
Leo Tolstoy two most famous works, War and Peace & Anna Karenina, are acknowledged as two of the greatest novels of all time. Tolstoy is known for his extreme moralistic and ascetic views, and became noted as a moral thinker and social reformer.
His ideas on nonviolent resistance, had a profound impact on Mohandas Gandhi & Martin Luther King. Jr.
“Mohammad’s religion [Islam] will prevail over the whole world, as it is in conformity with mind and wisdom."
arraba99 2 weeks ago
@arraba99 You are wrong when quoting, Mohammad's religion "ISLAM" will not prevail over the whole world, Islam will implode eventually! people lead double lives in the faith, I am sure they're would be muslims that dislike the faith and no longer want it, want to leave but can't therefore they leave double lives because they do not want to die, and having nonstop sex and having baby after baby doesn't constitute a mass of quality individuals, it's hard for parents to look after 13 kids at once.
MrTimfroude 1 week ago
@MrTimfroude
Islam/science 1
You have much to learn!
Google it & you will learn
Islam led the world in every field( 7th-17th) century, while west lived in caves; thought science was from devil; earth was flat; scientist were impaled & boiled alive for heresy and women were inherited as chattels….etc. from 12-16th century German, British, & Europeans student were coming to Bagdad Universities for educations
Invented numeral system, Algebra, Chemistry (Arabic Words), Watches
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 plagiarism, much like the whole religion itself is a plagiarism
mothersnath 1 week ago
@mothersnath
Usual when something is plagiarized, it would be of lower quality than the original. Why is the Quran superior to any other holly book (corrupted by man) and that is by the testimony of respected western thinkers.
At any case, the Noble Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and the Quran recognize Moses and Jesus (PBUT) as predecessors to Islam.
They all belong the one Creator of this universe, kit follows that their teachings (original) are similar.
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99 I highly doubt your more qualified than a physicist or a biologist? we were not created! get your small proportioned head out of the Koran and read something of great moral value! why don't you read a book on Charles Darwin? you ignoramus!
MrTimfroude 1 week ago
@MrTimfroude
The Comment about being profane/vile was not to you, sorry, you have not been.
The comment was meant for @TheHigherVoltage.
But, I must say that your comments demonstrate either ignorance of Islam/Arab history or intellectual dishonesty. When you deny the historical fact, no scholar disputes that Islam was the driver of Muslims/Arabs leadership of civilization 7th-17th century. This is ignorance. If you know it and persist. This would intellectual dishonest.
arraba99 1 week ago
@MrTimfroude
Islam effect on Science/civlization check this BBC documentary:
Science and Islam: Part 1: The Language of Science
Science and Islam: Part 2: The Empire of Reason
arraba99 1 week ago
@MrTimfroude
I have a major in Computer Science & 2 minors (Math & Astrophysics: Big Bang, Black Holes...) -continued to follow Astrophysics
I subsequently lost my faith for about 10 years, out of ignorance of Quran; I relied on my primitive knowledge of Quran & other’s perspective
I was accidently introduced to Science & Quran & spent 8 years researching on/off
My faith is now unshakable. That is my personal experience
The only thing worse than ignorance, is persistence in it
arraba99 1 week ago
@arraba99
Hahaha, I knew it! You're such a stereotype.
Reverts and criminal/ex-drug abusing converts are among the most fervent and loudmouthed religious zealots there are, ceaselessly trying to push their religion on others, insert it into any subject matter, or generally defend it even in situations that make it indefensible.
Even less rational than the average believer, these people let the religion consume their lives and leave little mental space for anything else.
ogith 6 days ago
@arraba99 I admire your nobility and honor of what you sincerely believe in(Koran), I will quote Dr Richard Dawkins " There are university students that can provide competent papers, majors minors etc, however they hold a different personal belief which is incoherent with what they practice" my question is this, there are some teachers of astrophysics that are of faith, why would they teach something that there faith teaches the opposite?
MrTimfroude 6 days ago
@MrTimfroude
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I hope you do not use near scripted reply to me; Dr. Dawkins quote does not & would never apply to me. I employ cold logical to a fault, & I am often un-flattered about it. I would NOT do anything, I was not convinced of. Thus studying Astrophysics namely lead me to disbelief; because I could not reconcile what I learned with what I thought of as Islam’s simplistic view of the universe. At the time, I knew 1-2% of the simplest & chapters of Quran, from high school
arraba99 6 days ago
@arraba99 Then the prophet Mohammed's Satanic revelations were a corruption of divine enterprise!
MrTimfroude 1 week ago
@arraba99 so it took God 3 attempts to get it right? The Koran is easily corruptible by man, why is there Sunni and Shia? an obvious misinterpretation!
MrTimfroude 6 days ago
And America does? You have to be freakn kidding me.
How many countries has the US invaded since you were born?
List them here please. How many countries have nuked another?
List that COUNTRY here please.
How many people died during the crusades under the church banner?
Pot and kettle, dude.
themanningsjdsjjj 2 weeks ago
@themanningsjdsjjj If you knew anything at all about Sam Harris you would know he calims all religions are nonsense and cause harm to society. Islam just happens to be one of the worst whenit comes to free speech and human rights.
allanhill1 2 weeks ago
@allanhill1
I know that already. Notice I did not send that statement to you.
The Catholics were far worse than the Islamists.
And the US Government which obviously has no religious affiliation is worse than both of them. And you will soon find this out the very hard way. We all will.
themanningsjdsjjj 2 weeks ago
There is not a single night where I don't lie awake in bed worrying about the Amish. O-O
ChainsawVsGod 2 weeks ago
2:39 and this is why I am afraid to tell my family of my apostasy.
DamienZshadow 2 weeks ago
he's so calm and hypnotic
infinightsky 2 weeks ago
@infinightsky It is probably his Buddhist meditation training coming out.
writersblock26 2 weeks ago
The only completely sain and harmless religious people are Amish, I mean really what are they going to to to you bless you to death?
gooders1002 3 weeks ago
I see, someone is again peaking out from under his rock !
Atheism = immoral = wrong
Religion, uncorrupted by man = Truth
Islam = the supreme incorruptible faith.
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 "Islam = the supreme incorruptible faith."
Is it true that man was created from a CLOT?
Is it true there are 7 heavens and 7 earths?
Is it true you can RAPE "right hand possessions"?
Is it true the earth has been FLATTENED?
What truth is there in letters like "Alif. Lam. Mim.">
What truth is there in a language that somehow ACCORDING to muslims ONLY cannot be translated properly?
Does allah only speak arabic?
Can allah produce another messenger or is his hands tied by a man?
sirjambo 2 weeks ago
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Bible, quran ...torah = fiction
allanhill1 3 weeks ago
We always condemn the "wrong". Religion = wrong
allanhill1 3 weeks ago
Sam Harris is absolutely correct about the threat of islam to the West and we all must wake up to what these murderous fanatics are all about. At some point it comes down to a simple desision.... them or us.
haTreesong 3 weeks ago
This is a big Monopoly game!!!
TheMrStranger1 3 weeks ago
Read. review, research the Quran with an open mind and without malice and critsize it with knowldge.
It is a challenge
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 that's what Sam Harris has done.
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
@kalbahamut
Sam by his own admission said that he did not read the Quran.
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 where? Because I HAVE read the Qu'ran and I've heard Harris many times reference parts that definitely there. If he hasn't read the entire thing cover to cover, he's certainly read parts of it, and has a more than adequate understanding of it.
the Qu'ran has as much or more nonsense as the Talmud or Bible. You're just too fucking stupid and biased to see it. I pity you.
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
I used to think that these Books are similar (Talmud, Bible, Quran). I could not be more wrong. I am researching Talmud/Bible now and I am SHELL SHOCKED:
Talmud: Sanhedrin: 59a on women, children
Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum
Rab also said: He who follows his wife's counsel will descend into Gehenna (wickedness), for it is written
Explanation any one!
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 the explanation is that you are a blind biased lying Muslim apologist, because actually the Qu'ran actually IS just as horrible as anything in the Talmud (Muhammad copied many of his bad ideas from the Jews, after all), and the shit in the hadith is probably even worse.
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
@kalbahamut
You will never find but the highest teachings in both Quran and Hadith.
If the Quran has any of the nonsense that has been inserted by man into Talmud/Bible. I would never believe in it.
No wonder there are so many Atheists in the West, If that is what I have for a holy book, I would have probably turned Atheist.
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 think for 1 second, if you can. What is worse? One old passage nobody knows about condoning sodomizing infants? Or the "most perfect being who ever lived and example for all mankind" openly raping a child and calling it the will of God? There is not ONE SINGLE Jew alive today who would seek to justify infant sodomy with religion. NOT ONE. Yet child rape (aka marriage) happens all over the Muslim world. It is legal, socially acceptable, and HAPPENING TODAY.
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
@kalbahamut
BROOKLYN -- Rabbi Baruch Lebovits, 59, the wealthy owner of a travel agency in Borough Park, Brooklyn, was hit Monday with a lengthy prison term for sexually abusing a then-16 year old teenager from his neighborhood.
Lebovits, a father of seven children and grandfather to twenty four, had long been the subject of talk in his community, but no action was ever taken against him, until three alleged victims came forward a couple of years
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@kalbahamut Don't waste your time with him. You can't reason with idiots.
ToadsMGodes 3 weeks ago
@ToadsMGodes
You said: "Don't waste your time with him. You can't reason with idiots."
I think the word is you can NOT reason with your twisted sick teachings!
when you are cornered instead of admitting facts; you call people “idiots”
Why do you not man up? Admit facts and condemn the wrong!!!
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 lol shhhhhhhh, go away idiot.. You don't even know the definition of the word fact.
You can spend your days trying to demonize other religions and beliefs in a desperate attempt to hide the FACT, that Islam is the most violent totalitarian "religion" on the planet.
Blind faith does NOT equal fact.
ToadsMGodes 3 weeks ago
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@kalbahamut
I have a list of 105 Rabbis who were convicted of molesting little boys and girls even their own grandchildren. This is not accidental, there is a correlation between their action and their belief as stated in Talmud: Sanhadren 59a that says sodomizing children as young as 3 years old is OK.
Why do you not condemn such sick teachings?
Twisted! “Zionists are against Islam, because it would execute such twisted sickso!
Quran is supreme; there is no moral equivalence.
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 I've never heard a rabbi defending child molestation in reilgious terms. Please link me to a video or article where one does, and I will concede the point. I live in Saudi Arabia. Several times per year I see a newspaper story here about some 60-80 year old man marrying some 8-14 year old girl. Some people argue that this should be outlawed, but they are immediately shouted down by those who say the "Prophet" fucked Aisha when she was a child and that he was perfect. Quran is fucked.
kalbahamut 3 weeks ago
I do not necessarily agree nor support corrupt "Saudi Royals" who are keeping their people backward and fuelling their extremism to distract from their corruption. Who is propping them? America !
Disgrace to their people, Islam/Arabs
The Noble Prophet married Aisha when she was 17-21 (19)
I assess Faith/ideology & its claimed adherent independently
Hardly 5% the 1.5B Muslim qualify as true Muslims, including myself
That is the major cause of their backwardness & some extremism.
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 "The Noble Prophet married Aisha when she was 17-21 (19)"
It must be ONLY your opinion since ALL AUTHENTIC hadiths state without a doubt she was 9.
That means your "Noble Prophet" RAPED a child.
A girl ONLY 9 CANNOT CONSENT to marry or do ANYTHING with a man OVER 50!
It is NOT NORMAL for a man to have SEXUAL feeling for a child ONLY 9 years old!
"That is the major cause of their backwardness"
No islam is the REASON for your ignorance and backwardness.
sirjambo 2 weeks ago
@sirjambo
As is allowed in your holly book ?
105 Rabbis convicted of molesting children, Google it
Shlomo Aviner, Rosh Yeshiva; Lewis Brenner; Ephraim Bryks; Shlomo Carlebach; Perry Ian Cohen; Yitzchak Cohen; Ephraim Goldberg; Cantor Sidney Goldenberg; Cantor Joel Gordon; Israel Grunwald; Yehudah Friedlander; Rabbi at Hillel Torah; Solomon Hafner; Shneur Horowitz, sodomizing 9-yrs-old; Jacob Frank …etc
One with his granddaughter! & 3 years old!
Action speaks loaders than words !!!
arraba99 2 weeks ago
@arraba99 "As is allowed in your holly book ?"
Great instead of answering the questions about islam you bring up another STUPID religion. HOW does that make the quran RIGHT?
In islam you can marry a 1 year old BABY since there is no age limit!
It is NOT NORMAL for a man to have SEXUAL feeling for a child ONLY 9 years old?
Can a CHILD consent to ANYTHING with a man OVER 50?
NOTICE that those rabbis were CONVICTED and not BELIEVED as messengers of god?
Ever wonder WHY?
sirjambo 2 weeks ago
@arraba99 I know more about these countries and more about your religion than you do. That's pretty sad.
kalbahamut 2 weeks ago
Although having read the quran would make ones argument against it better just observing the culture and behavior of muslims indicates it is as rediculous as christianity.
allanhill1 4 weeks ago
stop drop kaboom baby rub on ya nipplez
youthank8 4 weeks ago
Thank you for posting this, godlessmessiah.
writersblock26 1 month ago
I've heard that the amish are getting restless. They may rise up and bless us fervently. Ouuucccchhhhhhh !!!
allanhill1 1 month ago 14
When the Amish rise up and attack us, can we use Tasers to defend ourselves or will that cause offense?
SocietyPages 1 month ago 23
@SocietyPages boards with nails only!
kindle139 3 weeks ago
To accept religion and god and scripture is to ignore knowledge. It is the suspension of physical laws and properties and to submit to the doctrines of a belief of a dictator "god". It is to refrain from thinking for oneself and submit to being controlled.
allanhill1 1 month ago
Reason can not exist without knowledge
If someone knocks down science without knowledge, we call him ignorant. Do not knock down Quran without knowledge. If you are atheist and claim reason; the first dictate of REASON is to know.
Do not knock it down based on Hollywood & media sound bites & the likes of Sam who admits to never reading the Quran or commentators who twist things for their own agenda.
Check all American atheist Dr. Laurence Brown (Episode 3) search for truth
arraba99 1 month ago
@arraba99
Would you like to provide a source for where Sam Harris admits to never having read the Koran?
XiaoPow 4 weeks ago
@XiaoPow
In his debate with Reaz Aslan. you review that, or I will try to get you the exact video segment where he said so.
arraba99 4 weeks ago
@arraba99
Reza Aslan vs. Sam Harris Debate Part 01
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Although there is a better more specific reference to never reading the Quran.
arraba99 3 weeks ago
@arraba99 When has Hollywood EVER "twisted the quran to fit their agenda?" Never, they, and the media, don't need to. Every day we are witness to the "loving" nature of its tenets; "honour" killings(Canada last week parents kill 3 daughters), beheadings, torture etc, etc, etc, on and on. Oh, sorry, we are being lied to, and islam(submission), sharia, death by stoning etc is something we should all embrace isn't it???
rrdab1 3 weeks ago
It matters not to me who believes in whatever religion. I want nothing of it and am insulted when they try to tell me I am doomed. I will and have been very aggressive to religious people who confront me with idiotic beliefs. Keep it personal !!!!!
allanhill1 1 month ago
Homeland security has foiled a plot by the amish. They were planning to crash a horse and buggy into a post office.
allanhill1 1 month ago
I'll speak for the amish here since they don't use computers.. BE AFRAID
dopeasfuckk 1 month ago
I don't know what Sam is talking about.. I lose sleep every night over the amish.
dopeasfuckk 1 month ago
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I believe I did answer your question. Because the subject of this video is islam. Also excluded from this clip is buddism, hindu and all other religions. Christianity is nothing more than the sequel to judaism. On other discussions he comments about all religions. They are all false !!!
allanhill1 1 month ago
The title to this clip is somewhat misleading. Harris isn't saying that all Muslims do not have a clue about civil society. He is referring to a percentage of British Muslims reflected in a poll. Let's not go putting words in the man's mouth.
xxxxPaladinxxxx 1 month ago
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In his book, Sam states that “most Muslims are deranged". This is the speech of unlearned & ignorant, malicious minds with venomous heart or both
He sidesteps facts with irrational proclamation to promote anti-Muslims agenda. Any sensible person would recognize his complete lack of credibility & integrity. Actually, he undermines whatever he “stands for”
But, why attack Christianity/Islam but not Judaism, despite it being in scripture & action as/more violent
arraba99 1 month ago
@arraba99 I don't know about his book, which has nothing to do with my comment here. All I know is that the title on this clip doesn't reflect what he states within it.
xxxxPaladinxxxx 1 month ago
@arraba99 Obviously you know nothing about Sam Harris. His views apply to all religions. Although they differ from doctrine and certain beliefs they are all evil and ridiculous, unbelieveable and utter nonsense. His topic in this discussion was islam.
allanhill1 1 month ago
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arraba99 1 month ago
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@allanhill1
You still have not answered my question. Why does he not criticize Judaism, but only babbles, with out much support, mostly about Islam and Christianity. His bias is displayed on this and all his "entertainment" videos. This leads doubting his credibility and questioning his motives. Simple! 1+1 = 2 not 3. Give me rational convincing answers
arraba99 1 month ago
@allanhill1 Indeed...the one who doesn't require you to believe what he believes and only asks to be left alone in peace to do his thing is FAR more trustworthy and less likely to cause world war three than the ones who demand you believe what they do, respect it and don't try to stop them spreading it. No wonder history is littered with examples of Muslims and Christians murdering Jews....must be annoying to see the people you stole your religion from not agreeing with you.
Hereticalable 1 month ago
@arraba99 I hate all semitic religions. Christianity, Judaism and Islam are retarded.The one thing that makes me fonder of Jews is that they do not care if I worship their god, but I always get Muslims and Christians at my doorstep every weekend giving me leaflets.
dakulol 1 month ago 2
@dakulol "Judaism never was, is not now and never will become monotheistic".~~~Jordan Maxwell. You made a good comment. If you have not yet heard of Michael Tsarion, please check him out on youtube. Tsarion does not make cliche statements. He has done massive research into occult subject matter. He also has a clue that semitic 'religions' are not monotheistic. Christians are football enthusists, not religous people.
augustmaquet 1 month ago
@augustmaquet "Christians are football enthusists, not religous people". You made a good comment too.
SuperBabyBuddah 1 month ago
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arraba99 1 month ago
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@dakulol
The reason you never got Jews coming to your door, because Judaism came to the Israelites specifically and so did Jesus (PBUH) was also sent to the Israelites but was rejected. But, Jesus (PBUH) followers accepted and worked to spread it beyond and later the Romans accepted it and propgated.
Judaism to this day is still treated as Pseudo-National-Religious movement for the “Hebrews”.
arraba99 1 month ago
Muslims do not Have a clue about what constitutes a civil society' .... It proves how IGNORANT u r brother.... Why u guys become so opportunist.... !!!!
irfanmindian 1 month ago
@irfanmindian He is right. Begin with your "zionist owned media propaganda" BS now. There is a reason why the state of Muslim countries is the way it is.
dakulol 1 month ago
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The audacity of us human beings to even try to discern the existence of a GOD is extremely arrogant, since we do not have the mental intellect or capacity to do so in the first place.....so keep contemplating nonsensical conjectural debate with more and more non-provable rhetoric!
lifeschild1 1 month ago
We are suffocating from political correctness. It is time to speak out against islam.
55chh 1 month ago
@55chh
The truth can only suffocate ignorants, bigots, weak minded and the illogical. Intelligent people with integrity are never suffocated by the truth, they accept (some emrace) it even if they do not fully agree with it, nor follow it or apply it.
arraba99 1 month ago
Obviously he knows nothing about evolution. He reads the quran. And yes islam is fading along with all other religions. Very slowly mind you but education is these bronze age concepts. .
allanhill1 1 month ago
I hate reading long comments. People should limit what they have to say to two lines at the most.
anubis1974 1 month ago
@anubis1974 - just skip comments that are too long. Why does everybody have to accommodate your poor attention span?
CyeOutsider 1 month ago
@CyeOutsider
I'm taking it you didn't find my comment funny? Not one of my better ones I guess. Sorry, I'll work on my material for next time:)
anubis1974 1 month ago
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@allanhill1
I have provided my premise and few of my arguments which does not seem to convince you. That is fair. So enlighten me with your premise and supporting arguments. Who created the universe? How this perfect balance to maintain came to be? Who created you? How was your body designed to function the way it does (heart/cells/brain)? Why do you exist, your purpose? What happens to you soul/spirit after death? How did earth’s differing millions of species came to be? awaiting answers!
arraba99 1 month ago
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Also those who follow religion reject knowledge, do not use reason and have yet to date provide any sound arguments !! This is apparent in every debate and recognized by many scholars and scientists.
allanhill1 1 month ago
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No sir. I attack the idiocy of religion. It sticks its ugly face in my life everyday !!!!! It is evil and those who follow it are sadly deluded and preach it !!! I have never used profanity NEVER !!! I would appreciate an apology for that accusation.
allanhill1 1 month ago
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Well christianity is more moderate than islam but nonetheless as evil. As Hitchens professes, and quite acurately, both these factions or occults as I dub them are anxious for the next life. One of them may provoke the transition. Iran's nuclear project comes to mind.
allanhill1 1 month ago
Would someone like to inform him that theology is fading. Statistics show that as the world become more educated the people give up religious beliefs. Its the dinosaur.
allanhill1 1 month ago
@allanhill1 Pretty sure I remember him saying that we don't have time to wait. It's getting easier and easier for a few to cause horrible stuff to thousands and maybe even millions. We can't wait for hundreds of years for Islam to find it's path to moderation like Christianity has.
LunarPoet 1 month ago
@LunarPoet, @allanhill1
Christianity is great religion, Quran says about it.
Ch. 5/Vers 82: they who say, "Behold, we are Christians," come closest to feeling affection for those who believe [in this divine writ]: this is so because there are priests and monks among them, and because these are not given to arrogance.
But respectfully & sadly, it is becoming more & more irrelevant by compromising its principles and religious role by pandering to decadent & G-dless minority.
arraba99 1 month ago
@arraba99 It's not a great religion, I have to respectfully disagree. By the book, it's as nasty for our time as any other religious doctrine from so long ago. Good intentioned, but frighteningly outdated. Those who internally update and edit it, finding parts they believe in, rejecting other parts, seem by definition not true Christians. They may be great, moral, educated people, but by the books own infallible definition they're not true Christians. It's deeply dated and flawed in my opinion.
jaggerlags 1 month ago
@LunarPoet If you put my feet to the fire I'd say Christianity has found no path to moderation. Not really. People willing to edit the bible themselves, internally, moderate horrific first century nonsense. Yes. This is not to say Christianity has moderated itself, nor is it to say those who believe the parts they want have moderated Christianity BECAUSE Christianity would tell them they aren't real Christians for doing so. Christianity is doing a perfect doctrinal job of staying ridiculous.
jaggerlags 1 month ago
Now this arraba person thinks being religious is akin to being of high intellect and well educated. It is quite the opposite. Adopting a religious is to reject education and intellect. This is why they resort to insults. They have no intellectual argument. !!!
allanhill1 1 month ago 2
@allanhill1
Not so; knowledge, reason, & sound arguments makes intellect no matter what ones person’s belief. But, I have yet to detect any traces of that in your childish attacks. I give you reason, which you do not have to agree with, but you respond with insults and profanity. A sign of deficient knowledge, reason, intellect & integrity. Your immoral behaviour make the case for religion. I respond to your person (not your belief, if any) in kind, then you cry wolf. Your jig is up
arraba99 1 month ago
Hello papermaid. Ever notice how when believers are losing they resort to insults and name calling? Instead of providing facts and logic. Its ok they are just deluded. Not their fault
allanhill1 1 month ago
@allanhill1
Not only you are ignorant, you are also dishonest. I see personally attacking one after another cursing people belief and ideas and when you are paid back in kind, you cry wolf. Man up, or shut up, respectfully though. Seriously, do you not have anything of substance to say except attacking Christians & Muslim and any one who does think like you! It simple, READ, research, educate yourself, use gained knowledge in meaningful exchanges. Try it it may work.
arraba99 1 month ago
Evolution !!! The most plausible answer to most of your questions. we do not know how the universe came to be. When we die that's it!! None of theology's answers make any sense and I suspect never will.
allanhill1 1 month ago
death to islam
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arraba99 1 month ago
@arraba99 If you are a muslim, that means you support a prophet who married and raped a 9-year old girl. Is that moral for you guys?
OnkelStein 1 month ago
@OnkelStein
Another Zionist said, she was 3 years old! And elephants fly.
Zionist can make them fly, if it suites them, in the thought-controlled West. They can not do that with Muslims; hence they hate them & continue to bash & agitate against them and manipulate the West to fight them.
Pseudo-Semitic Satanic Zionists managed to corrupt (Jews) & Western values. They make up .002% of Americans, but have 70-90% influence on its election, congress, policy & critical institutions.
arraba99 1 month ago
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@JuanchoMan
Islam is spreading like wild fire and especially in the west. Check it out and weep. I think bigots like will die out and the enlightened will flourish, this is G-d's law that has been proven over the full span human history. Your likes are gradually but surely are going the way of the Dinosaurs, extinction.
arraba99 1 month ago
@arraba99 the ebola virus is highly infectious, just like religion, just because your brand of lunacy (islam) is more popular or is rising more rapidly does 0 to support the truth of the claims they make. Yes a virus may be spreading very fast, but is it good just because of this? I fail to see the point you are trying to make, and don't bother trying to clarify as the sad limits of your intellect have been painfully shown for all to see... I say again, death to Islam.
JuanchoMan 1 month ago
@JuanchoMan
Another one just crawled from under a rock. And where may I ask you have evolved from? Lizards, Worms, Beetles, Woodlice ... or something else that may fancy your primitive imagination stunted intellect.
"Death to Islam..." is this the best argument you can come up. A 5 grader can do better than that. Well, Islam is not dying, it is actually spreading as we speak.
arraba99 1 month ago
You may have provided some arguments but none that have any credibility in my opinion. I will continiue to criticise every chance since theists continually push their agenda to spread the word and try to have influence on my life. this is done through politics institutions and other media. None of your claims are verifiable since trhe beginning of religion there has not been one iota of evidence to believe any religious claims. Sorry thats just the way it is
allanhill1 1 month ago
See how religion warps peoples minds. Look at the posting of this arraba99 character. He still feels it is up to usa to disprove god. Moronic for sure but actually very sad. Most theists are brainwashed to think in this manner because to think otherwise would be to question their religion which is not acceptable to the doctrine.
allanhill1 1 month ago
@allanhill1
Respectfully, stick to logic, instead of mindless attacks. I am asserting that this complex universe with billion of galaxies, trillions of stars, our human existence (physical, mental, awareness were created by a supreme being, we call G-d (Allah), I have provided my supporting arguments for that. What is your assertion and supporting. Disprove me assertion and provide your own assertion and supporting arguments as I have. Stick to reason not attacks.
arraba99 1 month ago
@arraba99 My thinking almost always uses logic. I make mistakes like anyone. I am asserting nothiing unlike yourself. I am stating that your arguments for the existence of a magic man in the sky who created the universe and everything it it is not believeable and is completely devoid of logic, common sense and rational thought.It is your burden to provide a sensical reason to think there is this magic being.....
allanhill1 1 month ago
@allanhill1
I have provided my premise and few of my arguments which does not seem to convince you. That is fair. So enlighten me with your premise and supporting arguments. Who created the universe? How this perfect balance to maintain came to be? Who created you? How was your body designed to function the way it does (heart, cells, brains)? Why do you exist, your purpose? What happens to you soul/spirit after death? How did earth’s differing millions of species came to be?
arraba99 1 month ago
And I understand your sentiments. However all religions are wrong and by nature wish to influence society to adhere to their doctrines. Even mild supporters are a problem.
allanhill1 1 month ago
To Allanhill and others: Done that been there, on doubting religion/creator. I am person reason and logic. I have yet to hear logical/factual arguments to support your claim. So 1) Read the Quran, then disprove it, f you can. This Quran itself challenge the reader in 2nd chapter 2nd verse of 2nd chapter, take the challenge, nothing to lose; 2) The onus of proof is just as much on you as it is on religion to prove/disprove G-d, this two ways. It is pointless to argue without knowledge.
arraba99 1 month ago
I apologize as I do not intend to hurt ones feelings. However I will not refrain from being direct even though in may seem insulting. Religion is evil and stupid. Learn this to avoid ridicule!!!!!
allanhill1 1 month ago