@Bentoeloe How can 2 tanks be the same lol. Black Eagle was developed by Omsktransmash who went bust in 2002, so the project ended, Uralvagonzavod developed Item 195 AKA T-95. After Russian Defence Expo 2010 in Nizhny Tagil, it was announced in the earlier half of 2010 that the funding for purchasing the T-95 has been cut from the defence budget. What is wrong with troll's like you? lol
@Bentoeloe he knows because he is either watching the target thrrough his sight or the gunners channel, how can t-90 turn its turret if its knocked out lol
Yes this tank probably super, but! It has essentially big dimensions on with an alignment with Т-72 or Т-90 so it is much easier to get to it and it is more difficult for hiding. Also I want to look as charging will charge when the tank goes on not to an equal field... Т - 90 it is perfect without a difference there is it or goes - automatics will do the work regularly.
And before to write about bad booking Т-90, it is necessary to consider its height about 2 meters and its dynamic protection
@kullas924 Challenger 2 crews like to grow mushrooms inside their tanks lol .... no not really, its just so you cant see who the crewman are and ID any of the systems :)
I heard that the Challenger 2 uses a rifled gun rather than an auto loader system such as that in the American M1A1's, what the full difference to this?
that's rubish. It's only if you remove the protective screen between the crewman and the autolaoder for the mechanic to acess the autoloader and forget to put it back in place (i.e. your own stupidity)
excuse me I don't think you understand. There is supposed to be a metal grill/grate between the loader (his hand) and the autoloader. The reason it is not there is BECAUS SOMEONE TOOK IT OUT AND DIDN'T PUT IT BACK IN. That's like blaming a car for not starting because you took the battery out. /facepalm
@52111centrumcz OF COURSE i understand. i am not a moron. I did 24 years in Britmil. The plate you talk about is supposed to prevent anyone getting in the way of the recoil when the gun fires. its also there to protect when the gun is loading. THERE are STILL, documented cases of the autoloader trying to stuff a tankie up the barrel . NO serious advanced tank uses autoloader. Cheapo design again from the Russians. Your dead armour was littered all over Grosny.............
Just because you (the English) are incapable of building a functioning autoloader does not mean it is not a useful concept. Just ask the frog eaters across the cliffs.
The Leclerc has faults of its own, but most of them relate to that automotive component and NOT the autoloader. The loader will load what you tell it to once the first shell its fired; the only thing its not capable of doing is taking the old shell out and putting a new one in. The french autoloader also has its shells stored in a bustle like the M1. Less shells, but its as well protected.
Just because you (the English) are incapable of building a functioning autoloader does not mean it is not a useful concept. Just ask the frog eaters across the cliffs.
Just because you (the English) are incapable of building a functioning autoloader does not mean it is not a useful concept. Just ask the frog eaters across the cliffs.
2) Just because the English haven't been able to figure out a way to make a reliable autoloader doesn't mean its not useful - go ask the frog eaters across the channel.
@ModelbuildingTANKS Yes it can, when Ive been on it one operator stood outside on another CR2 and pushed the turret round by the main gun, however if CR2 engine packed in its got an aux generator to run the onboard systems and batteries as CR2 is electric turret drive. Does that help? :)
IMO, the best tank is Abrams. There were few Abrams tank losses because of HUGE number deployed (it means Abrams is more common target). And actually, Abrams did like 100 times more work than Challengers and Leopards. The objective of a tank is not to go out solo but rather support infantry in heavy fire scenarios when air support is unavailable.
@noobas00 You have no idea what you are talking about. the Point of tanks is that it is another asset in combined arms warfare. 100x more work? in order for that to be the case 18,000 abrams would have been required at the invasion, dropping to 14,000 over the next few years and then declining in number from there. And the number of Leopards in Iraq was 0. So you clearly haven't a clue. A more common target? yes but it comes down to 1 tank on 1 insurgent. This is where our training pays off.
I didn't said that Abrams tanks did more job 100 times exactly. But 10 times for sure.
There are Leopard 2s deployed in Iraq (Canadians, Germans and etc. use it).
Tanks are usually getting ''piled'' by the insurgent RPGs because a single RPG does nothing to little damage to a tank. 1 tank vs 1 insurgent applies only for roadside IEDs (an insurgent plants IED hoping for destroying a tank).
@noobas00 No not even 10x for the most part of it. Secondly out of the 48 M1s 'piled' 13 of those have been from RPG attacks. RPGs are very effective and you need to look beyond the RPG 7 to the realms of the RPG 29 and so on.
The canadians aren't in Iraq, the Germans were never in Iraq. They are both in Afghanistan and pulling out. The canadians used a couple of leopard 2 a6 and already have 6 penetration cases. Afghanistan is not a proper war and still they have failed.
@m1up A proper war is a war where to opposing armies stand against each other and use combined arms warfare. We are fighting insurgency wars at the moment. 1880s colonial high topper nitwit? no I'm just a Cavalry Officer
@m1up Oh stop being deliberately obtuse you twat, you know what I meant....CONVENTIONAL WARFARE. Stop coming onto this comments page and leaving me comments in a bid to drive you political views down my fucking throat.
For the record, whether it is righteous or not, IT IS. That is to say, it exists. We ought to be prepared for it, and currently we aren't as prepared as we could be.
@14th20thKRHkickass Sorry mate. My figure of M1`s twatted was 11. Are you saying that 48 have been slotted? please reply, even if I1ve got your post wrong.
@stubbostubbs They're everywhere, however alot of american stats say different, but then again they would. So paras ey? My father was a Para, I on the other hand recognised the Cav as being the best way forward!
@noobas00 WHAT. Its been killed by RPG`s, its heat signature is HUGE because of its gas turbine engine. It DRINKS fuel like no ones business and requires a huge logistical tail to supply its fuel making it vulnerable. Its not a bad tank, its just not up to the Chally 2.
6,6 is the cut off, any taller and you are too tall, They might decide your too tall now, might as well try though, all I can say is that you will be crammed.
Please don't compare the Gulf war tank battle results with the quality of tanks used by the Russian army. This is regarding the T-72s. But, I do recognize the feat of the allied tank crew. They did a very good job by not even losing a single tank.
Regarding the T-90, it is a highly upgraded version of the T-72 and the armour is very good. So I'm 100% confident that the T-90 will not get bogged down 4 seconds. I'm saying this out of experience.
@theROFLpanda- I have never been shot at by a Challenger-2. But being an armoured corps officer, I can tell you that tactics and technology matter a lot in battle and the T-90s are way ahead of the T-72s. I have my very own T-90 company under me, so I can tell you. T-72s used by the Iraqis were rubbish.
that looks like training ammo, not three part SABOT. not to mention you need to fire 2 sabots to kill a T-90 if you hit in the same spot - if you hit kontakt-5 elsewhere you wont get penetration. Also the chance of hitting a (moving) tank at such range is close to 0. Those shots happened in Gulf war 1 when the T-72s were static.
it might have changed since my day but i thought the loader did not load a second DST until ordered by the commander remember a sabot shoot is the commanders shoot. Maybe im out of date.
The interior is now de-classified....BUT only in its standard configuration with out any of the "goodies". You can now view the interior on the MOD website with a 360 degree tour.
tanknutdave......did u use to be in badger? ......i just wanna know if you are the tanknutdave i that i was with....a good mate.....if not my apologies.
A Challenger 2 was pierced by a HEAT RPG-29 (750 mm RHA after ERA) round in the lower hull front in Iraq. The tank had also a reactive armour. The PG-29 grenade pierced it and than pierced the tank.
The CR2 was struck by a RPG-29, however it did not pierced the old reactive nose cone, it struck the side of the vehicle where the cone had ended and pierced the ordinary steel. The driver lost some toes, but is still serving in the 2nd Royal Tank Regiment. The fact that the driver wasn't killed by a tandem charged weapon and that of the Abrams & Leo2 the CR2 is the only tank not to have lost any crew to enemy fire shows why its the best tank in the world.
What a contractive response lol an RPG-29 is a shape charge and if it had or could put a 2ft hole through the armour then the driver would have lost more than some toes! as for sabot rounds, its the Abrams frontal armour that has been penetrated by one, not the CR2.
I meant a shape charge IED. And theres no armor that can withstand a sbo round believe me. Itll go through armor plates like a hot knife through butter.
Not on the CR2, they fired a number of Charm at it and could not penetrate the Dorchester. As for an IED shaped charge, Ive seen the photographs of a CR2 after being struck by one and comparing Dorchester & Street Fighter to aluminium really is a poor comparison.
"good bye t90?" t90's countermeasures (arena) will sure stop the challanger's rounds b4 hitting the era. so that is a good bye for junky challanger. its reloads so fast because challanger is just junk and has the roulds lying on the tank floor. m1 at least has the safe case. it goes: leo2 t90 m1 leclerc type90 challanger its just failed copy of m1. check t90s 4 layer of protection (jammer, arena, era and main composite armor). supasses any tank out there. m1, leo, have bare armor.
LOL T-90s countermeasures are designed to stop sub-sonic munitions like RPGs etc...It doesn't have the capability to hit a projectile moving at 1680+m/s xD. CR2 loads faster than an auto loader because it is faster manually loading shells into a gun xD...CR2 a failed copy of an M1??? LOL ok pal what ever makes you feel better...
sub-sonic munitions like RPGs etc...It doesn't have the capability to hit a projectile moving at 1680+m/s xD
errr- no. check again. that thing can stop from rpgs to anti tank missiles to tank rounds. it jams missile guidance, interceptes incoming rounds, era protection, and composite armor. CR2 and m1 have nothing but naked armor.
if its faster than no one would have used auto loader. besides- with 50 rounds, the reloader would definately get tired and the rate would drastically go down.
Dude your completely wrong. T-90s active protection only protects against slow moving munitions like RPGs and laser guided weapons. It does not have the capability to stop apfsds or top attack munitions. The ERA on T-90 is designed to protect against apfsds....I don't know what you mean by naked armour.....CR2 is fully clad in Dorchester, a composite armour regarded as the best in the world. One thing you have right is the fact a human will get tired after loading many rounds.
One HESH round would detonate nearly all the ERA leaving that very thin aluminium and plastic 'composite armour' exposed for a DU APFSDS. But the T-90 crew wouldnt know what was coming as the concussion of the HESH would have blown the tracks off, warped the main cannon and destroyed all the sighting equipment and blown a disk off the inner wall of turret the size of a plate, flown around the turret and hacked the crew up.
You know I wonder what makes you think that a HEAT round from the Russian 125mm blasting the front turret face wont copmletely warp the gun on a chally, making it a technical kill? or the fact that the new Russian 125mm rounds will go through the mantlet?
The countermeasures would not stop the challenger's rounds before they hit, the jamming system the t-90 has in place is to stop anti tank guided missiles, the armour (Kontakt-5) is designed to 'defeat' modern armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot APFSDS rounds
Oh, and in one engagement in Iraq a Challenger 2 took multiple hits from RPGs, and one from a MILAN anti tank missile and still survived it, in fact during the 2003 invasion of Iraq the challenger 2 was the only tank not to suffer a loss to enemy fire
Challenger 2 is one of the most heavily armoured and best protected tanks in the world. The turret and hull are protected with second generation Chobham armour, the details of which are still classified. Although Chobham armour is classified, the military claims it to be twice as strong as steel. Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) kits are also fitted as necessary. The nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) protection system is located in the turret bustle. .
psq007 thinks the weight and size of a APFSDS has no effect on performance. I don't know whether to laugh or cry....An RPG7 also has the same penatrating power as a RPG29 because it weighs the same apparently.....xD
Because we dont use smoothbores. 2 part ammo is far more safer, easier and faster to loader and causes less fatigue to the operator. We keep the charges in armoured bins bellow the turret ring, which is a far more safer system.
Ok Dave, one question.........Have you ever been in a tank crewman? If so, how did you pass B3 gunnery if you cant even get a simple firing sequence correct? You must have read a book about it........
No, Ive never been in a tank crew man, I dont do that kind of thing lol and thats two questions you asked lol what is it you think is wrong? Ive got some people who would love to know lol
Thank you for the complement. Thanks to my website, I know tankies from the UK, all the way across Europe, Australia & North America, who all contribute material to the site & some are very good friends, including crewmen of this CR2 who were very amused, that since you have done B3 gunnery, how you had managed to miss the part about when the gunner has the authority to Initiate fire and terminate?
Im sure your aware Dave but be careful where you use the word Tankie. RTR are tankies, or 'chav cav'. The rest of the Royal Armoured Corps are indeed Cavalry. Some cav definately get a sad on about it.
From ATDU... We could get a sqn of Leo 2A6's for the price of one CR2 Smoothbore refit!!! So knowing the British Gov. we'll be moving to Smoothbore... C*nts!
We are not transferring to smoothbore. We tried it on a MK2 FV4201, it didnt work then and its not going to work now. The trials have finished and the MOD has given up. I know this as they are currently financing a small project to see if we can re arrange storage in the turret for one piece ammo. The record so far is 6 rounds. It won't and will not be happening.
Hey, nice work on the videos. It`s a pity the Australian Army didn`t go for the Crusader II`s Our best bet would be to drop in the MTU diesel unit to our order of US Abrams M1A1`s (yeah, not even M1A2`s) What do you think of the XK-2 South Korean tank which looks like is going to be produced under licence in Turkey for their army. I guess the U.S rejected their wish for dropping in a diesel to an Abrams cause maybe it could be seen as superior to their own thirsty product..
Australia went for the M1-A1AIMSA simply for price, they wouldnt have bought the CR2 because their are no 2nd hand CR2's. Turkey is playing catch up due to Greece buying 183 Leo2A4's & producing 170 Leo2HEL with the L55. The K2 composite aparently can withstand sabot fired from the L55 which is also its main gun. Though Turkey has up-graded some M60's to Sabre Mk3 & bought 298 Leo2A4's it needs something to take out the Leo2HEL & it looks like the K2 could do it.
Other then that the reason we don't have trace on our FIN rnds is because they travel faster then the human eye could clock... Now that tells you something about the speed of these rnds! SAY "NO" TO SMOOTHBORE FOR CHALLY 2!!!!!! Keep our rifle!!!
You cant put a smoothbore on the CR2! We need a completely new turret... Ammunition stowage and everything in between... It's a stupid idea... Lower muzzle velocity thus less penetration. The only reason smoothbore would be better is free ammunition from the yanks and maybe in the future if they get cheaper AT missiles to fire through the main armourment.
"Lower muzzle velocity thus less penetration" is a seriously incorrect statement. By lengthening the barrel from 44 to 55 calibre lengths, a greater proportion of the energy remains in the barrel during firing which is transformed into higher projectile velocity. Smoothbores gain higher accuracy by increasing energy, which also gives it higher penetration.
It's Challenger 2 not 'Challenger'. They tried fitting an L55 in a CR2 in 2006 like they did on the Chieftain and it didn't work for a number of reasons. The L30 in the CR2 is rifled therefore more accurate and is already a callibre of 55 so is not going to gain anything from the swap apart from cheaper ammo.
im glad,my instructor in bovy and lulworth informed me that one piece is less accurate because the rifled barrel makes the round spin which makes it more accurate,but im sure you know that,cos from what ive read you know your stuff.are you ex RAC or househod cav or just an enthusiastic civilian?
im more than an enthisiast lol been in CR2 etc I know a few people in the RTR's as well as some of the top people in Janes etc and in the manufacturing industry, if you check out my site you'll get the idea :-) rifled cannons are generally a lot more accurate, but they try to increase the KE on smoothbores by increasing the cal length ie the upgrade from L44 to L55 :-)but its no way as acurate as L30.
If you used magnets it would screw up firing it lol just practise, its non explosive so you can through it about or in this case chuck it in the breach as hard as you want, which is a massive bit of kit. I was shocked when I got to play with it :-)
its not a magnet,its the overpressure in the turret sucking the round into the breach,good loaders can time it perfect and get great rates of fire,like i did when i was still in thr regiment.
Defo, this video is a very good example of how quicker it is too use 2 part ammo, rather than the huge 1 piece ammo used in smoothbores & why we will never replace the L30 rifled cannon for the German L55 smoothbore cannon.
the funding for the conversion of the challengers gun to the L55 as been approved.i was told that by someone at the tank museum at bovy a few months ago.
Thats incorrect I've actually spoke to the guys who do the testing today. The only funding has been to see if the storage can be rejiggered to fit the one-part ammo, but it doesnt lol so it aint going to happen unless they build new turrets for each CR2 which is too expensive and out ways the savings on ammo which was the only reason they were thinking about using the L55.
i know that the L55 has been fitted to a CR2 and was tested from the begining of 2006 and that we have developed a hesh round for the smoothbore L55 which the current users of this gun are interested in buying.
What's to say that there hasn't been a new arming device made, by now? I'm with you (centrifugal clutch), but doesn't the Abrahams use HESH with a smooth bore?
My mistake. BUT..... What type of arming device does HEAT use? It's also a CE round, but is FS, just like APFSDS. With exception of HESH's velocity (which could be bumped up), I can't see any reason that it couldn't be FS. Just a thought. Enjoy your day.
Its not just the use of HESH which is the main reason we wont use L55, its that we use 2 part ammo & have been doing so since FV4201. It means the storage is set to keeping the case & satchel charges in the hull and the rounds in the turret. Smoothbores use one piece ammo which are very big and we can not physically fit it in the turret or hull storage. We would need a new large turret like the Abrams to fit the storage for one part ammo.
Ow, mate i just knew that!!!
So, T-95 and black eagle aint the same?
Bentoeloe 2 months ago
The challenger 2 would not face T90 any longer.
T-95 black eagle already deployed.
152 mm of gun, wow.....!
Bentoeloe 2 months ago
@Bentoeloe How can 2 tanks be the same lol. Black Eagle was developed by Omsktransmash who went bust in 2002, so the project ended, Uralvagonzavod developed Item 195 AKA T-95. After Russian Defence Expo 2010 in Nizhny Tagil, it was announced in the earlier half of 2010 that the funding for purchasing the T-95 has been cut from the defence budget. What is wrong with troll's like you? lol
TankNutDave 2 months ago
My question is: how did the commander know if the enemy tank already stopped???
When the commander said "enemy tank stopped", the challenger getting close to the enemy tank. But, T-90 move the turret and firing the 125mm gun.
Kabooom,,,, you are the dead man!!!
Bentoeloe 2 months ago
@Bentoeloe he knows because he is either watching the target thrrough his sight or the gunners channel, how can t-90 turn its turret if its knocked out lol
TankNutDave 2 months ago
What does DS/T mean exactly? :L
sectionzeropro 3 months ago
Yes this tank probably super, but! It has essentially big dimensions on with an alignment with Т-72 or Т-90 so it is much easier to get to it and it is more difficult for hiding. Also I want to look as charging will charge when the tank goes on not to an equal field... Т - 90 it is perfect without a difference there is it or goes - automatics will do the work regularly.
And before to write about bad booking Т-90, it is necessary to consider its height about 2 meters and its dynamic protection
vinipuh902 4 months ago
Best tank in the world.
LukeNAESA10 6 months ago
It's the "Centre of the OBSERVED mass"
Oh and the gunner would pull in and maintain pressure on the firing switch as coincidence needs to be achieved in order for the gun to fire.
simmo0020 11 months ago
@simmo0020 Thankyou for the comment I will pass it on to the tankies who made the video that you say they are wrong :)
TankNutDave 11 months ago 2
@TankNutDave
so the projectiles use a seperate charge to fire?
whats simmo0020 talking about?
tpvalley 6 months ago
Incorrect turret drills, incorrect fire order and incorrect stowage of ammunition, tut tut
simmo0020 11 months ago
thanks dave great vidoe nice to see the intrior and fire order
kullas924 11 months ago
@kullas924 your welcome
TankNutDave 11 months ago
why so dark on the inside abrams is lit up
kullas924 11 months ago
@kullas924 Challenger 2 crews like to grow mushrooms inside their tanks lol .... no not really, its just so you cant see who the crewman are and ID any of the systems :)
TankNutDave 11 months ago
I heard that the Challenger 2 uses a rifled gun rather than an auto loader system such as that in the American M1A1's, what the full difference to this?
jackie901 11 months ago
@jackie901 you can use either rifled or smoothbores with an autoloader, makes no difference and the M1A1 doesn't use an autoloader
TankNutDave 11 months ago
@TankNutDave True. Only Soviets have loading systems that occasionally stuffs tank crew up the barrel !
stubbostubbs 11 months ago
@stubbostubbs
that's rubish. It's only if you remove the protective screen between the crewman and the autolaoder for the mechanic to acess the autoloader and forget to put it back in place (i.e. your own stupidity)
52111centrumcz 2 months ago
@52111centrumcz Tell that to the dozy Russians who designed the bloody thing. As for stupidity........well, they ARE Russian after all :-)
stubbostubbs 2 months ago
@stubbostubbs
excuse me I don't think you understand. There is supposed to be a metal grill/grate between the loader (his hand) and the autoloader. The reason it is not there is BECAUS SOMEONE TOOK IT OUT AND DIDN'T PUT IT BACK IN. That's like blaming a car for not starting because you took the battery out. /facepalm
52111centrumcz 2 months ago
@52111centrumcz OF COURSE i understand. i am not a moron. I did 24 years in Britmil. The plate you talk about is supposed to prevent anyone getting in the way of the recoil when the gun fires. its also there to protect when the gun is loading. THERE are STILL, documented cases of the autoloader trying to stuff a tankie up the barrel . NO serious advanced tank uses autoloader. Cheapo design again from the Russians. Your dead armour was littered all over Grosny.............
stubbostubbs 2 months ago
@stubbostubbs
It is not "my" armor, I am not Russian.
Just because you (the English) are incapable of building a functioning autoloader does not mean it is not a useful concept. Just ask the frog eaters across the cliffs.
52111centrumcz 2 months ago
@52111centrumcz Mr CZ. WHY ask the french, they havent got a worthwhile tank. The Leclerc is shite. AUTOLOADER= INFLEXIBLE loading options
stubbostubbs 2 months ago
@stubbostubbs
The Leclerc has faults of its own, but most of them relate to that automotive component and NOT the autoloader. The loader will load what you tell it to once the first shell its fired; the only thing its not capable of doing is taking the old shell out and putting a new one in. The french autoloader also has its shells stored in a bustle like the M1. Less shells, but its as well protected.
52111centrumcz 2 months ago
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@stubbostubbs
It is not "my" armor, I am not Russian.
Just because you (the English) are incapable of building a functioning autoloader does not mean it is not a useful concept. Just ask the frog eaters across the cliffs.
52111centrumcz 2 months ago
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@stubbostubbs
It is not "my" armor, I am not Russian.
Just because you (the English) are incapable of building a functioning autoloader does not mean it is not a useful concept. Just ask the frog eaters across the cliffs.
52111centrumcz 2 months ago
@stubbostubbs
1) I am not a Russkie so its not my armor
2) Just because the English haven't been able to figure out a way to make a reliable autoloader doesn't mean its not useful - go ask the frog eaters across the channel.
52111centrumcz 2 months ago
so used to the US fire order intresting spin on it with the britsh
kullas924 1 year ago
challenger 2 does not have hunter killer mode
LLOYDIE710 1 year ago
@LLOYDIE710 What?
TankNutDave 1 year ago
Can the Challenger 2's turret be manually operated in the case of a power failure?
ModelbuildingTANKS 1 year ago
@ModelbuildingTANKS Yes it can, when Ive been on it one operator stood outside on another CR2 and pushed the turret round by the main gun, however if CR2 engine packed in its got an aux generator to run the onboard systems and batteries as CR2 is electric turret drive. Does that help? :)
TankNutDave 1 year ago
IMO, the best tank is Abrams. There were few Abrams tank losses because of HUGE number deployed (it means Abrams is more common target). And actually, Abrams did like 100 times more work than Challengers and Leopards. The objective of a tank is not to go out solo but rather support infantry in heavy fire scenarios when air support is unavailable.
noobas00 1 year ago
@noobas00 You have no idea what you are talking about. the Point of tanks is that it is another asset in combined arms warfare. 100x more work? in order for that to be the case 18,000 abrams would have been required at the invasion, dropping to 14,000 over the next few years and then declining in number from there. And the number of Leopards in Iraq was 0. So you clearly haven't a clue. A more common target? yes but it comes down to 1 tank on 1 insurgent. This is where our training pays off.
14th20thKRHkickass 1 year ago
@14th20thKRHkickass Tanks and IFVs are made to support infantry. What else?
I didn't said that Abrams tanks did more job 100 times exactly. But 10 times for sure.
There are Leopard 2s deployed in Iraq (Canadians, Germans and etc. use it).
Tanks are usually getting ''piled'' by the insurgent RPGs because a single RPG does nothing to little damage to a tank. 1 tank vs 1 insurgent applies only for roadside IEDs (an insurgent plants IED hoping for destroying a tank).
noobas00 1 year ago
@noobas00 No not even 10x for the most part of it. Secondly out of the 48 M1s 'piled' 13 of those have been from RPG attacks. RPGs are very effective and you need to look beyond the RPG 7 to the realms of the RPG 29 and so on.
The canadians aren't in Iraq, the Germans were never in Iraq. They are both in Afghanistan and pulling out. The canadians used a couple of leopard 2 a6 and already have 6 penetration cases. Afghanistan is not a proper war and still they have failed.
14th20thKRHkickass 1 year ago
@14th20thKRHkickass
What is a proper war? No war is a "proper war". You sound like an 1880s colonial high topper nitwit.
m1up 1 year ago
@m1up A proper war is a war where to opposing armies stand against each other and use combined arms warfare. We are fighting insurgency wars at the moment. 1880s colonial high topper nitwit? no I'm just a Cavalry Officer
14th20thKRHkickass 1 year ago
@14th20thKRHkickass
No war is proper.
m1up 1 year ago
@m1up Oh stop being deliberately obtuse you twat, you know what I meant....CONVENTIONAL WARFARE. Stop coming onto this comments page and leaving me comments in a bid to drive you political views down my fucking throat.
For the record, whether it is righteous or not, IT IS. That is to say, it exists. We ought to be prepared for it, and currently we aren't as prepared as we could be.
Thankyou and goodnight
14th20thKRHkickass 1 year ago
@14th20thKRHkickass
Thanks for calling it conventional warfare. I appreciate that :)
m1up 1 year ago
@14th20thKRHkickass Thats interesting. I knew the M1 got owned a few times, but your gen on the Leopard is VERY interesting.
stubbostubbs 11 months ago
@stubbostubbs Yeah the Leopards in Afghan, but then again the Leopard was never designed to be a tank to take big hits
14th20thKRHkickass 11 months ago
@14th20thKRHkickass Sorry mate. My figure of M1`s twatted was 11. Are you saying that 48 have been slotted? please reply, even if I1ve got your post wrong.
ex 2 Para
stubbostubbs 11 months ago
@stubbostubbs Yes 48 have been made inoperable through enemy attack.
23 in 1991, 25 in Iraq since 2005
14th20thKRHkickass 11 months ago
@14th20thKRHkickass Like it. I`ll have that up my sleeve for the septic tanks! Where did the gen come from?
stubbostubbs 11 months ago
@stubbostubbs the gen?
14th20thKRHkickass 11 months ago
@14th20thKRHkickass Gen, = general info. Where did you find those stats?
stubbostubbs 11 months ago
@stubbostubbs They're everywhere, however alot of american stats say different, but then again they would. So paras ey? My father was a Para, I on the other hand recognised the Cav as being the best way forward!
What Para where you in?
14th20thKRHkickass 11 months ago
@14th20thKRHkickass 2 Para 74-97. who`s your old man?
stubbostubbs 11 months ago
@noobas00 WHAT. Its been killed by RPG`s, its heat signature is HUGE because of its gas turbine engine. It DRINKS fuel like no ones business and requires a huge logistical tail to supply its fuel making it vulnerable. Its not a bad tank, its just not up to the Chally 2.
stubbostubbs 2 months ago
The gunner can only report target stop if he's been given authority to terminate, otherwise he reports target then the commander reports target stop.
cheakyscouser 1 year ago
nice
TanKissU 1 year ago
yep 9.3 secs
14th20thKRHkickass 1 year ago
ace
killercrabman 2 years ago
is there a hight limit for the crew members? im 6,6 and i would love to be a crew member
Zv3rb0j 2 years ago
6,6 is the cut off, any taller and you are too tall, They might decide your too tall now, might as well try though, all I can say is that you will be crammed.
14th20thKRHkickass 1 year ago
you sure? ive been in several chally 2 tanks and had to sign nothing...
WITHAMF 2 years ago
RedHeadFury my arse.
RedHeads are as victimised and as despised as the Jews.
gaelicscots 2 years ago
Good vid impressive rate of fire . and this is before up grades of improoved Lethality and street fighter packages .
royalanglian 2 years ago
"Goodnight T-90''?
Please don't compare the Gulf war tank battle results with the quality of tanks used by the Russian army. This is regarding the T-72s. But, I do recognize the feat of the allied tank crew. They did a very good job by not even losing a single tank.
Regarding the T-90, it is a highly upgraded version of the T-72 and the armour is very good. So I'm 100% confident that the T-90 will not get bogged down 4 seconds. I'm saying this out of experience.
wolfpack01979 2 years ago
Who is comparing the Gulf War results? The CR2 never served in the Gulf War lol
TankNutDave 2 years ago
I'm sorry, I was reffering to the the 2003 invasion of Iraq. I called it the Gulf war by mistake.
wolfpack01979 2 years ago
@wolfpack01979 your saying this out of experience? So you've been shot by a challenger 2 whilst sitting in a t90?
theROFLpanda 2 years ago 2
@theROFLpanda- I have never been shot at by a Challenger-2. But being an armoured corps officer, I can tell you that tactics and technology matter a lot in battle and the T-90s are way ahead of the T-72s. I have my very own T-90 company under me, so I can tell you. T-72s used by the Iraqis were rubbish.
wolfpack01979 10 months ago
@wolfpack01979 Oh goody. Lots of T-90s to kill then - at 5,000 metres range.........
dpsherry 10 months ago
@wolfpack01979 Oh goody. Lots of T-90s to kill then - at 5,000 metres range.........that was three of them un 12 seconds. Oh dearies, dearie me.
dpsherry 10 months ago
@dpsherry
that looks like training ammo, not three part SABOT. not to mention you need to fire 2 sabots to kill a T-90 if you hit in the same spot - if you hit kontakt-5 elsewhere you wont get penetration. Also the chance of hitting a (moving) tank at such range is close to 0. Those shots happened in Gulf war 1 when the T-72s were static.
52111centrumcz 2 months ago
@wolfpack01979 T72s are basically very cheaply made tanks and have very weak armour on the back sides and also front surprisingly
TheXxVIP3RxX 8 months ago
short cutting turret drills! bad effort from the loader and the crew commander lets him get away with it poor crew!
stewartbaird688 2 years ago
excellent. i rate 15/5 ^__^▐▐▐
Czaendermajer 2 years ago
it might have changed since my day but i thought the loader did not load a second DST until ordered by the commander remember a sabot shoot is the commanders shoot. Maybe im out of date.
Minesapintok 2 years ago
It was done to show how fast the operator can load rounds compared to that of 1 part in a smoothbore :-)
TankNutDave 2 years ago
I've been in the turret of this tank. Small but has a great smell of oil. ;)
Typhoon07 2 years ago
The interior is now de-classified....BUT only in its standard configuration with out any of the "goodies". You can now view the interior on the MOD website with a 360 degree tour.
MujaRagHeadKillaUK 2 years ago
tanknutdave......did u use to be in badger? ......i just wanna know if you are the tanknutdave i that i was with....a good mate.....if not my apologies.
Tangomontana 2 years ago
A Challenger 2 was pierced by a HEAT RPG-29 (750 mm RHA after ERA) round in the lower hull front in Iraq. The tank had also a reactive armour. The PG-29 grenade pierced it and than pierced the tank.
Leathernecks93 2 years ago
I'm sorry, I wanted to say "then".
Leathernecks93 2 years ago
The CR2 was struck by a RPG-29, however it did not pierced the old reactive nose cone, it struck the side of the vehicle where the cone had ended and pierced the ordinary steel. The driver lost some toes, but is still serving in the 2nd Royal Tank Regiment. The fact that the driver wasn't killed by a tandem charged weapon and that of the Abrams & Leo2 the CR2 is the only tank not to have lost any crew to enemy fire shows why its the best tank in the world.
TankNutDave 2 years ago
Not yet it hasnt. No armor is unpiercable. A shape charge would easily put a two foot hole straight through it like aluminum. As would a sabo round.
Minotaursoldier 2 years ago
What a contractive response lol an RPG-29 is a shape charge and if it had or could put a 2ft hole through the armour then the driver would have lost more than some toes! as for sabot rounds, its the Abrams frontal armour that has been penetrated by one, not the CR2.
TankNutDave 2 years ago
I meant a shape charge IED. And theres no armor that can withstand a sbo round believe me. Itll go through armor plates like a hot knife through butter.
Minotaursoldier 2 years ago
Not on the CR2, they fired a number of Charm at it and could not penetrate the Dorchester. As for an IED shaped charge, Ive seen the photographs of a CR2 after being struck by one and comparing Dorchester & Street Fighter to aluminium really is a poor comparison.
TankNutDave 2 years ago
by the time t90 gets destroyed (all of the countermeasures run out, era damaged)
then the m1 and cr2 would be destroyed 8-10 times. its bits will turn into smaller bits and eventually into dust.
psq007 2 years ago
1.30 gun is fired, 1.31-34 charge and round loaded, 1.35 gun fired. 1.36-39 charge and round loaded, 1.40 gun fired........
MujaRagHeadKillaUK 2 years ago
its only red charge dipshit
get better glasses than the dollar store ones.
psq007 2 years ago
Whats a Leopard or Abram's? up to par? the CR2 sets the standard and in a number of area's is still ahead of the Leopard 2 A6 & M1-A2.
TankNutDave 2 years ago
psq007 2 years ago
LOL T-90s countermeasures are designed to stop sub-sonic munitions like RPGs etc...It doesn't have the capability to hit a projectile moving at 1680+m/s xD. CR2 loads faster than an auto loader because it is faster manually loading shells into a gun xD...CR2 a failed copy of an M1??? LOL ok pal what ever makes you feel better...
MujaRagHeadKillaUK 2 years ago
sub-sonic munitions like RPGs etc...It doesn't have the capability to hit a projectile moving at 1680+m/s xD
errr- no. check again. that thing can stop from rpgs to anti tank missiles to tank rounds. it jams missile guidance, interceptes incoming rounds, era protection, and composite armor. CR2 and m1 have nothing but naked armor.
if its faster than no one would have used auto loader. besides- with 50 rounds, the reloader would definately get tired and the rate would drastically go down.
psq007 2 years ago
Dude your completely wrong. T-90s active protection only protects against slow moving munitions like RPGs and laser guided weapons. It does not have the capability to stop apfsds or top attack munitions. The ERA on T-90 is designed to protect against apfsds....I don't know what you mean by naked armour.....CR2 is fully clad in Dorchester, a composite armour regarded as the best in the world. One thing you have right is the fact a human will get tired after loading many rounds.
MujaRagHeadKillaUK 2 years ago
One HESH round would detonate nearly all the ERA leaving that very thin aluminium and plastic 'composite armour' exposed for a DU APFSDS. But the T-90 crew wouldnt know what was coming as the concussion of the HESH would have blown the tracks off, warped the main cannon and destroyed all the sighting equipment and blown a disk off the inner wall of turret the size of a plate, flown around the turret and hacked the crew up.
TankNutDave 2 years ago
@MujaRagHeadKillaUK
You know I wonder what makes you think that a HEAT round from the Russian 125mm blasting the front turret face wont copmletely warp the gun on a chally, making it a technical kill? or the fact that the new Russian 125mm rounds will go through the mantlet?
52111centrumcz 2 months ago
The countermeasures would not stop the challenger's rounds before they hit, the jamming system the t-90 has in place is to stop anti tank guided missiles, the armour (Kontakt-5) is designed to 'defeat' modern armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot APFSDS rounds
Deed1992 2 years ago
Oh, and in one engagement in Iraq a Challenger 2 took multiple hits from RPGs, and one from a MILAN anti tank missile and still survived it, in fact during the 2003 invasion of Iraq the challenger 2 was the only tank not to suffer a loss to enemy fire
Deed1992 2 years ago
Challenger 2 is one of the most heavily armoured and best protected tanks in the world. The turret and hull are protected with second generation Chobham armour, the details of which are still classified. Although Chobham armour is classified, the military claims it to be twice as strong as steel. Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) kits are also fitted as necessary. The nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) protection system is located in the turret bustle. .
Deed1992 2 years ago
psq007 thinks the weight and size of a APFSDS has no effect on performance. I don't know whether to laugh or cry....An RPG7 also has the same penatrating power as a RPG29 because it weighs the same apparently.....xD
MujaRagHeadKillaUK 2 years ago
What does DS/T stand for?
darkglass93 2 years ago
It stands for Discarding Sabot Trainer....as its a traning round painted blue
Peace
iamweejonny 2 years ago
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dannybook40 2 years ago
I thought the inside of the Challenger 2 turret was classified?
Fedaykin24 2 years ago
There is nothing in this video that breaks opsec, it doesnt show any of the systems and there are other videos out there that show more than this
TankNutDave 2 years ago
Why are the Brit's the only ones who don't fire unitary shells? Where is the poweder kept?
Wilmot1846 2 years ago
Because we dont use smoothbores. 2 part ammo is far more safer, easier and faster to loader and causes less fatigue to the operator. We keep the charges in armoured bins bellow the turret ring, which is a far more safer system.
TankNutDave 2 years ago
What is the weight of a unitary round and weight of 2 part ammo.
What do you mean with the HESH round is "made redy" true rotating in barrel and on the way to target.
How is unitary rounds and CH" round ignited, i gues not by a primer ?
faksen13 2 years ago
When I did my training 1n 91 ,I trained on a chieftain and as soon as I got to my regiment had to retrain on challenger lol!
I think I must have been one of the last to be trained on them both.
hussaruk 3 years ago
Interesting, this is a bit similar to the M1A2's tank commands
WWIIIthenovel 3 years ago
Shame you missed the "LASE"
tankieboyhuey 3 years ago
They dont call lase anymore..thats chieftan and chally 1 gunnery lingo.....not chally 2........ex chally 2 crewman
iamweejonny 3 years ago
sweet vid dave esp the video footage of egypt sqn on hohne ranges
tankieman 3 years ago
Ok Dave, one question.........Have you ever been in a tank crewman? If so, how did you pass B3 gunnery if you cant even get a simple firing sequence correct? You must have read a book about it........
charculay 3 years ago
No, Ive never been in a tank crew man, I dont do that kind of thing lol and thats two questions you asked lol what is it you think is wrong? Ive got some people who would love to know lol
TankNutDave 3 years ago
For a start, well done for picking me up for two questions, how greedy of me. What sort of people would love to know?
charculay 3 years ago
Thank you for the complement. Thanks to my website, I know tankies from the UK, all the way across Europe, Australia & North America, who all contribute material to the site & some are very good friends, including crewmen of this CR2 who were very amused, that since you have done B3 gunnery, how you had managed to miss the part about when the gunner has the authority to Initiate fire and terminate?
TankNutDave 3 years ago
Which is the fire order in this video, which sadly I had to do an audio swap a few weeks ago, so you loose the orders/verbal information of the crew.
TankNutDave 3 years ago
Im sure your aware Dave but be careful where you use the word Tankie. RTR are tankies, or 'chav cav'. The rest of the Royal Armoured Corps are indeed Cavalry. Some cav definately get a sad on about it.
charculay 3 years ago
From ATDU... We could get a sqn of Leo 2A6's for the price of one CR2 Smoothbore refit!!! So knowing the British Gov. we'll be moving to Smoothbore... C*nts!
sexminky 3 years ago
We are not transferring to smoothbore. We tried it on a MK2 FV4201, it didnt work then and its not going to work now. The trials have finished and the MOD has given up. I know this as they are currently financing a small project to see if we can re arrange storage in the turret for one piece ammo. The record so far is 6 rounds. It won't and will not be happening.
TankNutDave 3 years ago
The other principal reason is that the rifling is used to arm HESH and as long the Regiments value them over HEAT, we will retain the rifled cannon.
TankNutDave 3 years ago
Hey, nice work on the videos. It`s a pity the Australian Army didn`t go for the Crusader II`s Our best bet would be to drop in the MTU diesel unit to our order of US Abrams M1A1`s (yeah, not even M1A2`s) What do you think of the XK-2 South Korean tank which looks like is going to be produced under licence in Turkey for their army. I guess the U.S rejected their wish for dropping in a diesel to an Abrams cause maybe it could be seen as superior to their own thirsty product..
mrtonyis 3 years ago
Australia went for the M1-A1AIMSA simply for price, they wouldnt have bought the CR2 because their are no 2nd hand CR2's. Turkey is playing catch up due to Greece buying 183 Leo2A4's & producing 170 Leo2HEL with the L55. The K2 composite aparently can withstand sabot fired from the L55 which is also its main gun. Though Turkey has up-graded some M60's to Sabre Mk3 & bought 298 Leo2A4's it needs something to take out the Leo2HEL & it looks like the K2 could do it.
TankNutDave 3 years ago
Other then that the reason we don't have trace on our FIN rnds is because they travel faster then the human eye could clock... Now that tells you something about the speed of these rnds! SAY "NO" TO SMOOTHBORE FOR CHALLY 2!!!!!! Keep our rifle!!!
sexminky 3 years ago
1750m/Second..... Spotter i know :)
tankie2ndrtr 3 years ago
You cant put a smoothbore on the CR2! We need a completely new turret... Ammunition stowage and everything in between... It's a stupid idea... Lower muzzle velocity thus less penetration. The only reason smoothbore would be better is free ammunition from the yanks and maybe in the future if they get cheaper AT missiles to fire through the main armourment.
sexminky 3 years ago 2
"Lower muzzle velocity thus less penetration" is a seriously incorrect statement. By lengthening the barrel from 44 to 55 calibre lengths, a greater proportion of the energy remains in the barrel during firing which is transformed into higher projectile velocity. Smoothbores gain higher accuracy by increasing energy, which also gives it higher penetration.
TankNutDave 3 years ago
wasn't there a program to fit the challenger with a smoothbore gun?
PV1Matson 3 years ago
It's Challenger 2 not 'Challenger'. They tried fitting an L55 in a CR2 in 2006 like they did on the Chieftain and it didn't work for a number of reasons. The L30 in the CR2 is rifled therefore more accurate and is already a callibre of 55 so is not going to gain anything from the swap apart from cheaper ammo.
TankNutDave 3 years ago
1.32m longer lol
TankNutDave 3 years ago
?????
TankNutDave 3 years ago
i was told 3 years ago that they are moving to smoothbore when i was in bovy on my advanced gunnery course,not sure if its gonna happen
stephenshaw4109 3 years ago
Its not going too. The turret storage isn't big enough for once ammo, unless they build a completey new turret which isnt going to happen :-)
TankNutDave 3 years ago
im glad,my instructor in bovy and lulworth informed me that one piece is less accurate because the rifled barrel makes the round spin which makes it more accurate,but im sure you know that,cos from what ive read you know your stuff.are you ex RAC or househod cav or just an enthusiastic civilian?
stephenshaw4109 3 years ago
im more than an enthisiast lol been in CR2 etc I know a few people in the RTR's as well as some of the top people in Janes etc and in the manufacturing industry, if you check out my site you'll get the idea :-) rifled cannons are generally a lot more accurate, but they try to increase the KE on smoothbores by increasing the cal length ie the upgrade from L44 to L55 :-)but its no way as acurate as L30.
TankNutDave 3 years ago
How does the DST at 1:54 go in the breech so quickly is it a magnet or what?
BRITISHNINJA2007 3 years ago
If you used magnets it would screw up firing it lol just practise, its non explosive so you can through it about or in this case chuck it in the breach as hard as you want, which is a massive bit of kit. I was shocked when I got to play with it :-)
TankNutDave 3 years ago
its not a magnet,its the overpressure in the turret sucking the round into the breach,good loaders can time it perfect and get great rates of fire,like i did when i was still in thr regiment.
stephenshaw4109 3 years ago
lays onto the observed mass ...lol ending his lay in elevation i guess...been yrs since i heard of the gunnery palava....
iamweejonny 3 years ago
3 rounds in 12 seconds :-P
TankNutDave 3 years ago
15 per minute hell yes.
S3CT10NE1GHT 3 years ago
Defo, this video is a very good example of how quicker it is too use 2 part ammo, rather than the huge 1 piece ammo used in smoothbores & why we will never replace the L30 rifled cannon for the German L55 smoothbore cannon.
TankNutDave 3 years ago
the funding for the conversion of the challengers gun to the L55 as been approved.i was told that by someone at the tank museum at bovy a few months ago.
godwarriornot 3 years ago
Thats incorrect I've actually spoke to the guys who do the testing today. The only funding has been to see if the storage can be rejiggered to fit the one-part ammo, but it doesnt lol so it aint going to happen unless they build new turrets for each CR2 which is too expensive and out ways the savings on ammo which was the only reason they were thinking about using the L55.
TankNutDave 3 years ago
i know that the L55 has been fitted to a CR2 and was tested from the begining of 2006 and that we have developed a hesh round for the smoothbore L55 which the current users of this gun are interested in buying.
godwarriornot 3 years ago
I would be very intrested in where you found that out, as the rifling in rifled cans is what arm HESH rounds.
TankNutDave 3 years ago
What's to say that there hasn't been a new arming device made, by now? I'm with you (centrifugal clutch), but doesn't the Abrahams use HESH with a smooth bore?
criticalmass181 3 years ago
no it uses HEAT
TankNutDave 3 years ago
My mistake. BUT..... What type of arming device does HEAT use? It's also a CE round, but is FS, just like APFSDS. With exception of HESH's velocity (which could be bumped up), I can't see any reason that it couldn't be FS. Just a thought. Enjoy your day.
criticalmass181 3 years ago
Its not just the use of HESH which is the main reason we wont use L55, its that we use 2 part ammo & have been doing so since FV4201. It means the storage is set to keeping the case & satchel charges in the hull and the rounds in the turret. Smoothbores use one piece ammo which are very big and we can not physically fit it in the turret or hull storage. We would need a new large turret like the Abrams to fit the storage for one part ammo.
TankNutDave 3 years ago
Nice video.
SaBrE1UK 3 years ago
Thanks mate, if you want you can check out my website chalenger 2 page, tons of videos, photos and up to date info :-)
TankNutDave 3 years ago
sweet
LeModelist 3 years ago
awesome
bedbugg1 3 years ago