@rockchef11 Look up the word "religion" in the dictionary. Scientology does fit and someone working in the IRS decided, after many, many years, that it is a religion. All African groups had their own unique religions before Christianity. Native American groups had their own religions before Christianity and so did all Europeans. Just see for yourself what the word "religion" really means.
@Chibling Yes. You can ask two Scientologists if they believe in God or not and you might be surprised to get two completely different answers. The freedom to grow, change, to think for yourself and discover more about yourself, to gain wisdom, etc., to me that is Scientology. Sounds just about perfect.
@Chibling Yes. You can ask two Scientologists if they believe in God or not and you might be surprised to get two completely different answers. The freedom to grow, change, to think for yourself and discover more about yourself, to gain wisdom, etc., to me that is Scientology. Sounds just about perfect.
@Chibling Yes. You can ask two Scientologists if they believe in God or not and you might be surprised to get two completely different answers. The freedom to grow, change, to think for yourself and discover more about yourself, to gain wisdom, etc., to me that is Scientology. Sounds just about perfect.
@DMB1985CA I'd agree with you on the point of gaining power but banning all religions would create a much bigger problem and that's people without hope
@DMB1985CA Hubbard proved, scientifically, that people are spiritual beings and will continue to live after body dies. So many experiments were done. ( I accidentally left my body once as sophomore in college.)This isn't about "having faith". There are Mormons who are also Scientologists, Jews and even some Buddhists are also Scientologists. We don't tell you what to believe. We don't stop you from going to Mass/church. This is about truth and people discovering truth for themselves.
@patphatcat Hubbard never proved anything. Hubbard wasn't a scientist, he was a charlatan, he bought his phony "PhD" from Sequoia University, a notorious diploma mill. None of Hubbard's claims have ever been independently verified, or tested by 3rd party scientists. $cientology is a bunk pseudoscience.
Furthermore $ci isn't compatible with other religions. Hubbard claimed that religions were implanted by Xenu. $cientology is all lies, it's a dangerous scam.
@sk8mike I know what I know.I left my body in college. I am a spirit. No one has to tell me this.Two friends also experienced this outside of Scientology. Hubbard recorded and proved the electrical nature of the soul using electronic devices. No one is going to MAKE me believe in Xenu & I don't. All are free to think for themselves, but I don't think U believe this. I still celebrate Christmas, Halloween, etc. all the holidays I grew up with. Most Scientologists do. Beliefs are personal matter.
No such thing have ever been proven, least of all by Hubbard. Do you know that the FDA ordered $cientology to put a disclaimer on every E-meter that they sell? The E-meter is a crude lie detector that measures the electrical resistance of your skin, and nothing more. "Going exterior" in Scientology, (ie. leaving your body) is the result of sensory deprivation that's practiced during auditing, Trs, rundowns etc.
@sk8mike O.K. This is your opinion and your truth. People leave their bodies in real life and sensory deprivation is not required. Drugs are not required. Just my personal experience.
@sk8mike The e-meter allowed me to release my grief after Mom died. It is a useful tool. The FDA also approves drugs that cause liver/brain damage. Right now, FDA wants to call walnuts "illegal drugs" because of health claims made by some people. Don't know if they were raw or roasted. They want to call vitamins & minerals "drugs". You will need a prescription from doctor for vit. C.A few people are working hard to stop this. Imagine that. In the future you might go to prison for eating WALNUTS!
The E-meter is a quack medical device, it has no scientific use. Going to prison for eating walnuts sounds just as bad as going to Scientology's RPF labor camp for questions Hubbard's doctrines.
The FDA is another issue. Scientology is not a credible organization. Scientology only fights to further their own agendas. Their propaganda, and rhetoric only muddles the issue, and anyone that sides with Scientology on any issue automatically loses credibility.
@sk8mike You use $ for the "S" in Scientology. Sci. organizations paid taxes since 1950's. IRS studied the financial records of all orgs. and decided that no one person is making any money from Scientology. Most of $ goes to translating books, films, audio cassettes & lectures into all languages so discoveries of mind/soul will be available to all. In the mid 1990's IRS gave tax exemption status. I DOUBT that the IRS would give up the opportunity to take money from another organization easily!!
@patphatcat The IRS didn't give up easily the Co$ file 200 lawsuits against the IRS, and stalk/harassed IRS agents, and blackmailed th IRS into making a secret deal. For 25 years the IRS considered $cientology is business, just like Germany. The IRS never studied $cientology's financial records, that's a lie. Scientologist shredded all the documents. LRH was indicted for tax fraud, and Hubbard hid from the IRS for 5 years, and died before the criminal case against him could be prosecuted.
(CONT) "Most of $ goes to translating books, ..." That work is done by Sea Org members who are only paid $50 a week if they're lucky, so we know that's not true either. No, the money goes towards David Mascavige's lavish life style, and hiring lawyers and PIs.
BTW, the Co$ was convicted for organized fraud in France in '09, and the Co$ is under investigate for tax fraud again this time in Australia. (watch?v=QhlgIXBkv1Q)
@sk8mike In some countries Scientology is not a religion and being found guilty of tax fraud or fraud is nothing new. Not surprised. If public are being told to stay away, if people are too scared to enter Sci. org. then the org might not be able to pay tax. No tithe system. You give us $ in return for something of value. If you don't agree, stop giving us $, ask for refund. Again, who would lose $/power if Scientogy Orgs are allowed to grow? Being attacked by governments, etc. is to be expected
@patphatcat Unfortunately your hypothesis has nothing to do with $cientology's most recent 2009 fraud conviction in France. In France the victims said they were pressured into paying large sums of money, one victim said she had been advised by a $cientology financial adviser to take out a large loan to pay for courses, and they were both harassed to buy products.
In the UK $ci has made millions in tax free profits by claiming they're a nonprofit in Australia. The Australia gov is investigating.
@sk8mike I know what you are talking about. Well, all I can say is staff at Scientology orgs need to get their act together because a lot of what they are doing is off-policy and there is a lack of organization. I know they are working on this. I don't know if U have, absolutely, no interest in Scientology, probably not, but keep the baby, not the bathwater. I guess this doesn't make any sense to you but Dianetics/ Scientology, when used correctly, can help a lot of people. It helped me.
@sk8mike D. Miscavige is only one of the leaders of the church. He is the most visable so people assume he is the most important member or something. He doesn't make a lot of money. If all staff followed Hubbard's advice closely, they would make more donations/money. The IRS looked at financial records and decided that the church is a non-profit organization.
We've already been over this. The IRS made a secret deal with $cientology granting them tax exemption to end $cientology's lawsuits against the them, and their employees. The terms of that secret deal have never been released to the public. You're lying when you try to pain a different picture.
In Australia $cientology is being forced to pay back their employees. It's been discovered that $cientology was raking in millions while only paying their employees pennies. $
@sk8mike Oh PLEASE! If Scientologists stalked and blackmailed the IRS they would have gone to jail. We don't control IRS, but thanks for that. It's actually a compliment.
@patphatcat Then why the secret deal? For 25 years the IRS refused to grant $cientology tax exemption. The refusals had been upheld in every court. Then suddenly the IRS does a complete 180. According to David Miscavige, Miscavige offered to halt all of Scientology's lawsuits against the IRS in exchange for tax exemptions. The terms of that agreement are still a secret. This secret agreement is a stark contrast to the way the IRS has handled other "church" organizations.
@sk8mike I don't know about the details, but if IRS made a deal with a religious organization to drop all our lawsuits against them, then the IRS must have thought they would lose the lawsuits, maybe because they were doing something wrong? Maybe they didn't want truth to come out in trials? Don't know. If you look at the definition of word "religion", Scientology does fit with definition of religion, even though it isn't like average Western religions.
"The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly." - L. Ron Hubbard (Nice religion!)
It wastes time, and money to fight lawsuits, and the Co$ abuses the system.
@sk8mike You have more Scientology materials than I do! It sounds out of context. I think he was talking about the few people who don't want anyone to use Dianetics/ Scientology. After FBI agents tried to get Sci. staff to help women get abortions, which was illegal at the time, a warrant out for Hubbard's arrest with no charge on it, the raids where only vitamins were found, etc., at some point you have to fight back. A few people don't want anyone to have access to Dianetics/Scientology.
@patphatcat The old out of context argument. Scientology's long history of harassment, and abusive behavior is all the context I need. The quote was taken from Ability: The Scientologist A Manual On The Dissemination Of Material, 1955. The whole article instructs Scientologists on how to deceive the public, and counter criticism. "...Talk in generalities" Hubbard suggests. Exhibit A: Tommy Davis. It very bad PR when secrets like these ones leak out.
That same quote can also be found in The Technical bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology Volume II 1954 - 1956, p.157, AKA the HCOBs. I know you know what I'm talking about. So look it up.
@sk8mike BULLSHIT! Tired of facts mixed with BULLSHIT and ASSUMPTIONS!! If staff are guilty of wrongdoings it will be made public and Scientologists who are criminals will go to prison. No worries. The truth will eventually come out, and being that Scientologists are the underdogs, we will be the FIRST to get thrown into prison. So, I don't know what you are so concerned about.
@patphatcat Made public by whom? $cientology is a racket, staff members are only following orders.
A vindictive cult with secret policies approving organized harassment against it's "enemies" is something to worry about! Once against, $cientology has a long and documented history of stalking, harassment, and abusing the legal system to silence it's critics. This wholesale abuse of the law, and trampling on other people's rights is something to be concerned about. Your cult is not above the law!
@patphatcat Well in order for that to happen a crime must first be reported. Scientology is not trust worthy. $cientology is a criminally convicted organization (eg. fraud, breach of public trust, etc). It is also known that $cientology has an internal justice system, and it's "out-ethics" for $cientologists to go to the police because it causes bad publicity. Like in the case of Jane Eastgate, President of CCHR, who covered up abuse by making a rape victim lie to the authorities.
@patphatcat Made public by whom? $cientology is a racket, staff members are only following orders.
A vindictive cult with secret policies approving organized harassment against it's "enemies" is something to worry about! Once against, $cientology has a long and documented history of stalking, harassment, and abusing the legal system to silence it's critics. This wholesale abuse of the law, and trampling on other people's rights is something to be concerned about. Your cult is not above the law!
@sk8mike Also, In the 60's/70's(??) the IRS brought a lawsuit against Scientolgy orgs. The IRS was guilty of not giving us the information we needed to defend ourselves and the Sci. orgs had a right to that information. "The Freedom of Information Act" was a result of the battle between IRS and Sci. orgs. and acces to information has benefitted all Americans since.
@patphatcat Are you joking? During the 70s Mary Sue Hubbard, and ten other members of $cientology's Guardians Office (GO), were sent to prisons for breaking/entering, and stealing government documents (Operation Snow White).
What are you talking about? Harold L. Cross is the man credited for writing the FOIA, Congressmen John E. Moss advocated the bill, and a lot of newspaper editors and the media all pushed for the bills passage. The FOIA had nothing at all to do with Scientology, or the IRS.
@sk8mike Scientologists helped behind the scenes, since church was victim of a lack of information. The info. stolen was about the church and it was needed for defense in court case. If they had photocopied info on their own paper and not the paper in machine, they would have been found innocent. It's crazy, but that was the law. I didn't hear of any IRS agent getting into trouble for ignoring right of church to defend itself and refusing to share the info. it had on church with the defense.
@sk8mike In the 60's/70's The CIA/FBI infiltrated the highest levels of Sci. orgs, became "executives", and went to several of the strongest orgs and destroyed them by removing 1/2 of the staff and labelling them as antisocial, suppressive people. These orgs had happy, well-serviced public with well trained staff. There were no longer enough staff to deliver services already paid for and these orgs have been struggling ever since. As a result we have upset public and chaos. But staff allowed it.
@sk8mike I wouldn't be surprised if there are spys working within Scientology, secretly trying to destroy our orgs. This time I think they will be more subtle about it. Is it CIA again? FBI again? A jealous businessman? American Psychiatric Association? A company that makes psychiatric drugs? Who would lose $ if Sci. Orgs became stronger? Did you know that it is a Hubbard policy to question authority? We failed to do this in 60's/70's. Dianetics/Scientology is too important to fail again.
@patphatcat What were the names of the FBI/CIA agents that supposedly infiltrated Scientology? If that story were true have you even wonder why Scientology's "technology" wasn't able to catch those "infiltrators?" CIA, APA etc everyone's out to get $ci. Something doesn't add up.
$cientology is anti-democratic, everyone loses if $ci. gains more power. "Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’ By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not." - L. Ron Hubbard
@sk8mike Don't know names. I got this from older people who were around at the time. I never asked how they got into organization. Eventually they were discovered. You keep taking things out of context. Scientology can,when used CORRECTLY, turn crazy, destructive people sane and loving. Someone could say Dianetics/Scientolgy is "illegal" and because Dianetics/Scientolgy is so useful and is used on leaders of orgs, they are saner and more loving than most & better able to do what is best for all.
@sk8mike cont. To clarify, you don't need to be a Scientologist to be sane/loving and any law is ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT, and if you're logical/loving you would write a law and keep a person's free will in mind also, NATURALLY. People should be WILLING to follow a law. It was against law for women to vote. It was against law for blacks to read & write. A destructive person with power can outlaw Scientology. That is what he meant. Ex: The FDA wants to outlaw WALNUTS! What's next?!
@patphatcat There are no credible sources that support Scientology's conspiracy theories, and paranoid delusions of FBI/CIA spies. They're lies. They're just stories that your Scientology leaders tell you to you to hide Scientology's crimes from you. No one outside of Scientology believes any of it. You have no proof, and Scientology has no credibility, and terrible reputation.
Can you see what's happening? Scientology can't hide their crimes form the public anymore. It's time to wake up.
@sk8mike Where is evidence to support this fear and negativity against Church of Scientology? There are a few angry people, and I can understand that. I was a staff member for seven years and got to speak to many staff members much older than I was. I am not going to assume they are all liars. I have no sympathy for the IRS and I know from personal experience what Scientology can, and has done, for many people. If this is what you believe, then it is what you believe. What more can I say?
@patphatcat Do the "Squirrel Busters" ring a bell? Scientology's long documented history of spying, intimidation, litigation, and harassment against their former members, critics, and journalists is to long to list here. Are you really that ignorant of your own cult's despicable behavior? Have you not been reading Scientology's latest issues of Freedom magazine? Scientology has been childishly attacking the New Yorker, Paul Haggis, and many other ex-members and journalists. Open your eyes.
Do the "Squirrel Busters" ring a bell? Scientology's long documented history of spying, intimidation, litigation, and harassment against their former members, critics, and journalists is to long to list here. Are you really that ignorant of your own cult's despicable behavior? Have you not been reading Scientology's latest issues of Freedom magazine? Scientology has been childishly attacking the New Yorker, Paul Haggis, and many other ex-members and journalists. Open your eyes.
@sk8mike Staff don't have the time to do all of that. If we are evil we will all go to prison sooner or later. But, I don't think you will see any Scientology staff member go to prison. Not because we control the government or because we are trying to take over the world or because we are so good at brainwashing people-afterall, people can't think for themselves, right?- but because staff members of the church have not broken any U.S. laws.
@patphatcat Your creepy cult has an espionage bureau called the Operation of Special Affairs (OSA) that specializes in harassment. Your cults been doing it for decades. Your cult spends millions of dollars a year on lawyers, and hiring private investigators to spy on, and harass people. If you want proof Google "the Squirrel busters", but you already know who they are. Scary fact: "Legally" the Squirrel Busters haven't broken the law, or been caught YET. So you condone their harassment campaign.
@patphatcat Do the "Squirrel Busters" ring a bell? Scientology's long documented history of spying, intimidation, litigation, and harassment against their former members, critics, and journalists is to long to list here. Are you really that ignorant of your own cult's despicable behavior? Have you not been reading Scientology's latest issues of Freedom magazine? Scientology has been childishly attacking the New Yorker, Paul Haggis, and many other ex-members and journalists. Open your eyes.
Just ignore the man behind the curtain. You turn a blind eye to all of the greed, fraud, and abuse that goes on inside your cult. You think you're doing good because you practice quack medicine. Mean while David Mascavige lives like a king. Your cult spends millions of dollars a year on lawyers, and PIs to spy, and harass people, while you staff are paid $10 a week. Families get separated, lives are ruined, for what?
You're trying to clear the galaxy of "body thetans"! Wake up!
@sk8mike D. Miscavige does not live like a king! There are leaders who are way above him, when it comes to what they are responsible for, and they do not live like kings either. Scientologists are not saints. They might make $10 because they are not following Hubbard's policies on how to run an organization. Miscavige is not taking $ from staff. If you have an ego and you think that your way is best then u deserve $10/week. The books I have looked at about Scientology are not 100% truthful.
@patphatcat There have been many high ranking whistle-blowers that have said otherwise, and their stories all corroborate. Can you name some of those leaders that are above David Miscavige?
I glad you admit that staff members are only paid $10 a week. The fact that you think this is okay says a lot about you, and $cientology. $cientology is abusing their staff members, and there's no excuse for it.
@sk8mike I am not going to, for their sakes. Staff can make $10/ week, $200/ week, $1,000/week, depending on how many donations that organization received for that week. How much a staff member makes is up to each individual staff member and their use of the policies. The point is that if anyone in the church is a criminal, sooner or later, he/she will go to jail amd when they are found guilty in a court of law they will go to prison and they will be punished. That's it. It's very simple.
@sk8mike I am not going to, for their sakes. Staff can make $10/ week, $200/ week, $1,000/week, depending on how many donations that organization received for that week. How much a staff member makes is up to each individual staff member and their use of the policies. The point is that if anyone in the church is a criminal, sooner or later, he/she will go to jail amd when they are found guilty in a court of law they will go to prison and they will be punished. That's it. It's very simple.
@sk8mike Also, stop ignoring what the IRS concluded when they investigated the Church of Scientology. That no one person gets any money worth mentioning from church and that it is 100% a non- profit organization. It is a religion because Scientology fits with the definition of word "religion" in the dictionary.
@patphatcat Stop telling pathetic lies, that's not what the IRS concluded, and you know it. $cientology made a secret agreement with the IRS, and the terms of that deal have never been released to the public. So there's nothing to ignore.
@sk8mike One staff member was a child when churches on east coast were attacked. She ran into room with other kids of staff and asked"what do we do? Who do we call?" They were frantic. She said fake Sea Org members "were like aliens from another planet". I spoke to a Sea Org member and she said when they found the fakes, they found out they were working for U.S. government. Another staff member said 1/2 the staff were lined up in front of staff at staff meeting and declared "antisocial"/evil.
@sk8mike One staff member was a child when churches on east coast were attacked. She ran into room with other kids of staff and asked"what do we do? Who do we call?" They were frantic. She said fake Sea Org members "were like aliens from another planet". I spoke to a Sea Org member and she said when they found the fakes, they found out they were working for U.S. government. Another staff member said 1/2 the staff were lined up in front of staff at staff meeting and declared "antisocial"/evil.
@sk8mike cont.The staff labelled "antisocial" hung heads in shame - a clue that fake Sea Org members were wrong, because evil people feel no shame/guilt for anything bad they do. The staff did not notice this. I personally heard the audio cassette tape sent by Hubbard apologizing for what happened, even though he wasn't there and had nothing to do with it. I don't know what was happening in rest of U.S. This happened on east coast. He said "we (staff of smaller churches) were not responsible."
@sk8mike If you're going to grant tax exemption status to a non-profit organization, you're going to need to study all of the financial records. So, you're saying the IRS was bribed/harrassed? If so, then IRS gave in too quickly and is just as guilty as church. It takes two to tango, you know?
I agree that the IRS shouldn't have caved in. However Scientology's battle against the IRS had already spanned two decades, and showed no signs slowing down. That's a huge waste of resources, and tax payers' money to continue fighting against a zealous cult. It's not hard to understand why the IRS caved in, they just wanted it all to end.
@sk8mike 20 years is a long time. I was a staff member for 7 yrs and the leaders were and still are defending Dianetics/ Scientology, legally this time. (Smile.) They aren't perfect, but thay are doing the best they can with what they have. Personally, I wouldn't call it a zealous cult, but whatever.
The way that they stalk, harass, and slander their ex-members, and critics is extremely heavy handed, and over zealous. Per Hubbard's policies Scientology has defended it's self for decades by harassing, abusing the legal system, and character assassinating anyone that's dared to criticize them. Some people would call that zealous.
@sk8mike We can agree to disagree. We can keep going back and forth like this forever and ever.The fact is that Dianetics has been around for about 70 years. Scientology has been around for about 60 years. Today, people are still talking about it, defending it, and using it. To me, that says a lot.
Scientology is propped up by by it's tax exemption, bankroll, and a few clueless Hollywood celebrities. For the most part though Scientology, and L Ron Hubbard is an obscure subject that most people don't care about, or have never heard of. Furthermore the ones who have heard of Scientology know it's dangerous, think it's a joke (eg. engrams, thetans, body thetans, XENU).
@patphatcat The only thing they're going to "miss out" on is financial ruin, family separation, slave labor, harassment, and abuse etc. I mean who wouldn't want to be like convicted murderer, and OT VII Rex Flower? Or OT ambassador Steve Brackett who jumped off a 200' bridge (ironic) after he donated at least a million dollars to $cientology, and started having financial troubles. Or OT VIII Ed Bryan arrested for trespassing while he was stalking, and harassing an ex-Scientologist. Sign me up!
@patphatcat Another OT VIII drops dead at 55, RIP. Scientology lifer Joe Feshbach (Tommy Davis's Father in Law) dropped dead while riding his bike. Dedicating his entire life, and income to $cientology sure paid off, didn't it?
L Ron Hubbard "predicted with confidence" that Dianetics could extend life. Hubbard also said that OT's have "cause" (control) over life, and matter, energy, space, and time. Face it, Clears, and OTs don't exist! It's okay to have doubts. Get out while you still can.
Y'know what would be helpful for Scientology's public image? A spokesperson who doesn't come across as a sketchy prick with something to hide. And since ALL Scientologists are sketchy pricks with something to hide, well.... they could hire an actor, I guess.
He is such a blatent liar, how does anyone swallow his BS, they do not believe in medical treatment just listen to ToryMagoo44's story, they took her off of her seizure medication and she has epilepsy ...they believe that physical pains and problems are do to thetans(souls of murdered aliens from 75,000,000 years ago) trapped in your body .....what a bunch of crap.....he lies so much, just watch some of his other videos, he has clasic signs of lying, its so obvious
This interview sucks. He was totally given the questions before hand and they were agreed upon for this douche to answer. She is leaving out so many important follow up questions.
Actually Thetans have had lives as other things... such as clams. Also Jett is back. This time he's Anonymous. Protesting that Autism does not make him lower on the tone scale.
Really? Jesus is alive today? where? according to what he just said there should have been someone for the last 2000 years walking on water, healing sick, casting out demons etc. etc.
Definitely check out the article by Lawrence Wright in the New Yorker, profiling Paul Haggis' journey and especially the part about L.R.H.'s medical record.
Federal investigators have been interviewing former members of the controversial organisation, which counts Tom Cruise and John Travolta among its followers, over allegations of enslavement and violent treatment.
According to the New Yorker magazine, the FBI is also investigating allegations surrounding David Miscavige - the group’s leader and the best man at Cruise’s wedding - who has been accused of repeatedly hitting youngsters.
Not violently,obviously, but, every time I hear these people speak,it reeks of lies and ambiguous half answers...They hide behind "offense", like the muslims and sue anyone who says a word..
all religion is a scam for the weak minded....but scientology is particularly transparent and creepy. scary that people are such sheep as to swallow the sci-fi hooey.
@DS6FILMS I was just wondering cuz i don't live in the states and scientology is banned in my country. So why was it officially recognised as a religion?
@Noctis411 You know, your guess is as good as mine. I don't really know how its considered as a religion, its one giant scam to waste everyone's time and bank accounts. Its nothing more than a scam that is ruining our nation's celebrities... and everyone inbetween.
@Noctis411 The IRS doesn't have the power to declare if a group's a religion or not. legally $cientology is considered a 501(c)(3) nonprofit corporation. As you pointed out $cn is not considered a religion in a lot of other countries because they do operate as a profit driven corporation.
You should Google "The Shadowy Story Behind Scientology's Tax-Exempt Status" by the New York Times. It's A good article on how $cientology got their tax exemption in the States.
@Noctis411 Someone at the IRS decided that it is a religion and they looked at the financial records of organization and decided that no one person profits from it, it is a non- profit organization. If you look at the word "religion" in the dictionary and discover for yourself what Scientology really is, u will see that it fits with the definition.
why is scientology even CALLED scientology LOL.... it makes no fucking sense... unless of course the science part is from science-fiction, which it probably is.
He explained reincarnation, but could not say the word. The interview was clever in playing to him, yet getting out of him that they believe in reincarnation. This is not unique, of course, because LRH took concepts from other religions from across time to help create Dianetics. I think that if he had access to FMRI technology that he might have been even more dangerous. Oh crap, I hope I didn't give them any ideas.
@CaptianKeyz The truth is the truth. What about ghost stories. Too many stories about seeing dead loved ones in all cultures all over the world throughout history. We don't believe in reincarnation because it deals with coming back in your next life as a lower form (cockroach) or higher form (a human I guess) depending on good/ bad deeds in this life. As a spiritual being u can go anywhere u want and do whatever u want to after death and that's a little different from reincarnation.
I always want to ask people who believe in reincarnation "What happens when the sun explodes and envelops the earth and there's no place for this infinite chain of life to happen?"
Dodged the autism question pretty hard the first time. He says the church doesn't recognize or not recognize anything, but that's clearly bs because the church specifically doesn't recognize mental conditions that, as he put it, don't manifest physically like depression, because they clearly have no problem pretending to be doctors and claiming to know better than doctors in the case of psychiatry.
Such a stupid interview. Whether or not this guy is smart, crazy, or anything has not been answered, because this terrible show made this cunt ask loaded questions with the intent of making somebody look stupid.
"Whether or not this guy is smart, crazy, or anything has not been ANSWERED"
Take is easy Scilon. The purpose of the interview wasn't to investigate Tommy Davis's mentality. She was simply trying to learn about Scientology's phony beliefs.
Her questions were straight forward and easy. You're upset because Davis looked very uncomfortable answering her simple questions. She wasn't trying to make him look stupid, Davis accomplished that on his own.
Scientology believes we ARE our own soul, and that with Hubbard's unpeer-reviewed talk therapy we can "clear" our souls of all this lifetime and past lifetime trauma mental gunk. THEN on the "upper levels" of Scientology it is the "confidential" dead alien soul exorcism, HIGH VOLUME exorcism. That way we get rid of all the hitchhiking dead alien souls that co-inhabit our bodies and we're even MORE clear mentally and spiritually! -ex 27 year Scientologist
@Belikel Born again atheist. I realized all my past lives imagery was my own creation, and that was a big part of the collapse of Scientology. I saw NO one getting the supernormal powers. People in the top ranks of Scientology use a lot of foul language and even physical violence at times. NOT religious, and NOT superior character stuff. It's very disappointing to see how disgraceful Scientology's leader David Miscavige treats his immediate subordinates.
In simple layman's terms, what Scientology WON'T openly tell people upfront, is that their "upper levels" are exorcism. The Scientology "upper levels" majorly involve exorcism, and the level 7, "OT 7", is high volume exorcism. They exorcise earth's overpopulation of bodiless souls (Scientology calls the excess number of earth's bodiless souls "body thetans") the Scientology "upper levels" (numbers 3 through 7 "upper levels") are in fact exorcism. Therapy spiritual exorcism.
I also been to a Dianetics store in my city where I live on at least 2 separate occasions. And attended a Scientologist service one time. The staff there were very friendly and listened to and answered my questions. Not sure if it possible to become a Scientologist without believing tin the reincarnation aspect. If it is, I may consider going back to learn more.
@ 3:28 when he takes about past lives (reincarnation)
That is one (HUGE) reason why I could never become a Scientologist. I do not believe in reincarnation / past lives. So that part of Scientology it is impossible for me to reconcile or integrate.Scientology seems like a very interesting religion. If it wasn't for the reincarnation aspect of it, I might very well be a Scientologist as of this day. It's a shame because much of it seems very helpful and is practical =(
...continued... they have no answer to the censorship of dissenters, the stripping away of the identities of their followers, the exorbitant cost of membership, the apparent contradictions in their beliefs or the vague statements made by it's celebrity followers like Tom Cruise or Will Smith.
Scientologists contradict and undermine their own beliefs at every turn. It is amazing to me that the "Church" of Scientology has persisted as long as it has. Even putting aside the concept of Xenu, which Scientology has rejected as a part of their belief system in the media,...
These $cientology fuckers stalked Gareth Cales, and 10,000 kids with PI's so they could get their names and addresses. Then, these fuckers sent their parents cease and desist letters. These are some real creeps, and do not deserve any sort of special tax status.
It is valid to ask how we know a true religion from a false one. One way is to examine the lives of true believers, not hypocrites, but those successfully living out those beliefs. Think for yourself; the Bible says that if you seek, you will find.
Religion is not an ascending process. One does not aspire to accumulate fortune or fame or seek worldly pleasures. It is a descending process where one adopts an attitude of renunciation. Systematically giving-up attachment to material things.
How anyone concludes that is a bad thing I can't say.
We do well not to put the blame on religion for atrocities perpetrated by materialists masqerading as religionists.
He patiently and thoroughly answers the stupid medical question...even though it is repeated.
Concerning reincarnation, many religions in the world believe in reincarnation. When the Dalai Lama speaks of reincarnation, you probably don't balk. But if you do when you see a white person saying it, you are actually being racist or at least ethno-centric.
@mhearstify I wouldn't bother to compare reincarnation theories since I don't believe in them. But people balk when Scientologists discuss reincarnation in part because they are so anti-Scientology sentiments their judgment is clouded...in part a reasoned rejection of reincarnation...and also in part, because people just reject any Westerner (White) discussing it.
So the reasoning is sandwhiched between bigotry. Press people and you'll see their true colors.
@TheGoalSetter "I wouldn't bother..compare reincarnation theories"
Since you reject the reincarnation teaching of Scientology, I take it you are not one, correct? If so, your position with respect to defending them is based on a philosophical appreciation, or is it you deplore my or anyone else's subjective declarations towards anything/anybody.
Which is it? Philosophical appreciation or don't like my judgemental attitude?
@mhearstify Actually, I'm objective. YOU are obviously anti-scientology thus YOUR judgment is clouded.
He did patiently and thoroughly answer the questions. To say otherwise indicates anti-scientology sentiments. It's okay, I had such sentiments until 9/11 taught me not to trust anything the media/politicians say. Over time, I learned to be more and more objective.
Hate Scientology all you want, but attack their real faults instead of making up stuff.
is it only me who has the sense someone is trying very hard to only say things that seem "normal" but ends up giving an impression that smells extremely fishy?
I remember the first time I made a speech.... in the 3rd grade. seriously is this the best spokesperson they have, he stutters and mumbles every other word....to the degree that you have autism and and so on and so forth and we don't recognize or not recognize or I I umm spiritually like you don't have a soul you are a soul. LOL fail please try again.
Jett's dead now... really really dead... dead all the way... dead loss
congratulations, you pissed your boys life away for 50 cents of celebrity chic
Now you're having another baby ? a replacement ? have the new baby and everything will be fine... o.k. again... fuck Jett... dead... stepped over... and forgotten... fuck Jett
Scientology is true to a certain degree, we are all souls and death does not exist because your soul is comprised of energy and energy cannot be destroyed. It is said that the Rothschilds mastered the incarnation technique and are able to dock multiple bodies.
Nasty evil little prick, And even worse they call this CULT a religion
rockchef11 3 weeks ago 2
@rockchef11 Look up the word "religion" in the dictionary. Scientology does fit and someone working in the IRS decided, after many, many years, that it is a religion. All African groups had their own unique religions before Christianity. Native American groups had their own religions before Christianity and so did all Europeans. Just see for yourself what the word "religion" really means.
patphatcat 5 days ago
Interesting lifestyle.
Need to research more about it.
nichirenx 1 month ago
Scientology is the most perfect religion ever.
Chibling 3 months ago
@Chibling Yes. You can ask two Scientologists if they believe in God or not and you might be surprised to get two completely different answers. The freedom to grow, change, to think for yourself and discover more about yourself, to gain wisdom, etc., to me that is Scientology. Sounds just about perfect.
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@Chibling Yes. You can ask two Scientologists if they believe in God or not and you might be surprised to get two completely different answers. The freedom to grow, change, to think for yourself and discover more about yourself, to gain wisdom, etc., to me that is Scientology. Sounds just about perfect.
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@Chibling Yes. You can ask two Scientologists if they believe in God or not and you might be surprised to get two completely different answers. The freedom to grow, change, to think for yourself and discover more about yourself, to gain wisdom, etc., to me that is Scientology. Sounds just about perfect.
patphatcat 5 days ago
Evasive slippery evil little bastard,
ShoutingQuietly 4 months ago 6
@DMB1985CA I'd agree with you on the point of gaining power but banning all religions would create a much bigger problem and that's people without hope
JoeKification 6 months ago
@DMB1985CA Hubbard proved, scientifically, that people are spiritual beings and will continue to live after body dies. So many experiments were done. ( I accidentally left my body once as sophomore in college.)This isn't about "having faith". There are Mormons who are also Scientologists, Jews and even some Buddhists are also Scientologists. We don't tell you what to believe. We don't stop you from going to Mass/church. This is about truth and people discovering truth for themselves.
patphatcat 6 months ago
@patphatcat Hubbard never proved anything. Hubbard wasn't a scientist, he was a charlatan, he bought his phony "PhD" from Sequoia University, a notorious diploma mill. None of Hubbard's claims have ever been independently verified, or tested by 3rd party scientists. $cientology is a bunk pseudoscience.
Furthermore $ci isn't compatible with other religions. Hubbard claimed that religions were implanted by Xenu. $cientology is all lies, it's a dangerous scam.
sk8mike 6 months ago
@sk8mike I know what I know.I left my body in college. I am a spirit. No one has to tell me this.Two friends also experienced this outside of Scientology. Hubbard recorded and proved the electrical nature of the soul using electronic devices. No one is going to MAKE me believe in Xenu & I don't. All are free to think for themselves, but I don't think U believe this. I still celebrate Christmas, Halloween, etc. all the holidays I grew up with. Most Scientologists do. Beliefs are personal matter.
patphatcat 6 months ago
@patphatcat
No such thing have ever been proven, least of all by Hubbard. Do you know that the FDA ordered $cientology to put a disclaimer on every E-meter that they sell? The E-meter is a crude lie detector that measures the electrical resistance of your skin, and nothing more. "Going exterior" in Scientology, (ie. leaving your body) is the result of sensory deprivation that's practiced during auditing, Trs, rundowns etc.
sk8mike 6 months ago
@sk8mike O.K.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@sk8mike O.K. This is your opinion and your truth. People leave their bodies in real life and sensory deprivation is not required. Drugs are not required. Just my personal experience.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@sk8mike The e-meter allowed me to release my grief after Mom died. It is a useful tool. The FDA also approves drugs that cause liver/brain damage. Right now, FDA wants to call walnuts "illegal drugs" because of health claims made by some people. Don't know if they were raw or roasted. They want to call vitamins & minerals "drugs". You will need a prescription from doctor for vit. C.A few people are working hard to stop this. Imagine that. In the future you might go to prison for eating WALNUTS!
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat
The E-meter is a quack medical device, it has no scientific use. Going to prison for eating walnuts sounds just as bad as going to Scientology's RPF labor camp for questions Hubbard's doctrines.
The FDA is another issue. Scientology is not a credible organization. Scientology only fights to further their own agendas. Their propaganda, and rhetoric only muddles the issue, and anyone that sides with Scientology on any issue automatically loses credibility.
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike You use $ for the "S" in Scientology. Sci. organizations paid taxes since 1950's. IRS studied the financial records of all orgs. and decided that no one person is making any money from Scientology. Most of $ goes to translating books, films, audio cassettes & lectures into all languages so discoveries of mind/soul will be available to all. In the mid 1990's IRS gave tax exemption status. I DOUBT that the IRS would give up the opportunity to take money from another organization easily!!
patphatcat 6 months ago
@patphatcat The IRS didn't give up easily the Co$ file 200 lawsuits against the IRS, and stalk/harassed IRS agents, and blackmailed th IRS into making a secret deal. For 25 years the IRS considered $cientology is business, just like Germany. The IRS never studied $cientology's financial records, that's a lie. Scientologist shredded all the documents. LRH was indicted for tax fraud, and Hubbard hid from the IRS for 5 years, and died before the criminal case against him could be prosecuted.
sk8mike 6 months ago
(CONT) "Most of $ goes to translating books, ..." That work is done by Sea Org members who are only paid $50 a week if they're lucky, so we know that's not true either. No, the money goes towards David Mascavige's lavish life style, and hiring lawyers and PIs.
BTW, the Co$ was convicted for organized fraud in France in '09, and the Co$ is under investigate for tax fraud again this time in Australia. (watch?v=QhlgIXBkv1Q)
sk8mike 6 months ago
@sk8mike In some countries Scientology is not a religion and being found guilty of tax fraud or fraud is nothing new. Not surprised. If public are being told to stay away, if people are too scared to enter Sci. org. then the org might not be able to pay tax. No tithe system. You give us $ in return for something of value. If you don't agree, stop giving us $, ask for refund. Again, who would lose $/power if Scientogy Orgs are allowed to grow? Being attacked by governments, etc. is to be expected
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat Unfortunately your hypothesis has nothing to do with $cientology's most recent 2009 fraud conviction in France. In France the victims said they were pressured into paying large sums of money, one victim said she had been advised by a $cientology financial adviser to take out a large loan to pay for courses, and they were both harassed to buy products.
In the UK $ci has made millions in tax free profits by claiming they're a nonprofit in Australia. The Australia gov is investigating.
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike I know what you are talking about. Well, all I can say is staff at Scientology orgs need to get their act together because a lot of what they are doing is off-policy and there is a lack of organization. I know they are working on this. I don't know if U have, absolutely, no interest in Scientology, probably not, but keep the baby, not the bathwater. I guess this doesn't make any sense to you but Dianetics/ Scientology, when used correctly, can help a lot of people. It helped me.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@sk8mike D. Miscavige is only one of the leaders of the church. He is the most visable so people assume he is the most important member or something. He doesn't make a lot of money. If all staff followed Hubbard's advice closely, they would make more donations/money. The IRS looked at financial records and decided that the church is a non-profit organization.
patphatcat 4 months ago
@patphatcat
We've already been over this. The IRS made a secret deal with $cientology granting them tax exemption to end $cientology's lawsuits against the them, and their employees. The terms of that secret deal have never been released to the public. You're lying when you try to pain a different picture.
In Australia $cientology is being forced to pay back their employees. It's been discovered that $cientology was raking in millions while only paying their employees pennies. $
sk8mike 4 months ago
@sk8mike Oh PLEASE! If Scientologists stalked and blackmailed the IRS they would have gone to jail. We don't control IRS, but thanks for that. It's actually a compliment.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat Then why the secret deal? For 25 years the IRS refused to grant $cientology tax exemption. The refusals had been upheld in every court. Then suddenly the IRS does a complete 180. According to David Miscavige, Miscavige offered to halt all of Scientology's lawsuits against the IRS in exchange for tax exemptions. The terms of that agreement are still a secret. This secret agreement is a stark contrast to the way the IRS has handled other "church" organizations.
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike I don't know about the details, but if IRS made a deal with a religious organization to drop all our lawsuits against them, then the IRS must have thought they would lose the lawsuits, maybe because they were doing something wrong? Maybe they didn't want truth to come out in trials? Don't know. If you look at the definition of word "religion", Scientology does fit with definition of religion, even though it isn't like average Western religions.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat Not likely. This was their strategy.
"The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly." - L. Ron Hubbard (Nice religion!)
It wastes time, and money to fight lawsuits, and the Co$ abuses the system.
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike You have more Scientology materials than I do! It sounds out of context. I think he was talking about the few people who don't want anyone to use Dianetics/ Scientology. After FBI agents tried to get Sci. staff to help women get abortions, which was illegal at the time, a warrant out for Hubbard's arrest with no charge on it, the raids where only vitamins were found, etc., at some point you have to fight back. A few people don't want anyone to have access to Dianetics/Scientology.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat The old out of context argument. Scientology's long history of harassment, and abusive behavior is all the context I need. The quote was taken from Ability: The Scientologist A Manual On The Dissemination Of Material, 1955. The whole article instructs Scientologists on how to deceive the public, and counter criticism. "...Talk in generalities" Hubbard suggests. Exhibit A: Tommy Davis. It very bad PR when secrets like these ones leak out.
sk8mike 5 months ago
@patphatcat (Cont)
That same quote can also be found in The Technical bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology Volume II 1954 - 1956, p.157, AKA the HCOBs. I know you know what I'm talking about. So look it up.
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike BULLSHIT! Tired of facts mixed with BULLSHIT and ASSUMPTIONS!! If staff are guilty of wrongdoings it will be made public and Scientologists who are criminals will go to prison. No worries. The truth will eventually come out, and being that Scientologists are the underdogs, we will be the FIRST to get thrown into prison. So, I don't know what you are so concerned about.
patphatcat 4 months ago
@patphatcat Made public by whom? $cientology is a racket, staff members are only following orders.
A vindictive cult with secret policies approving organized harassment against it's "enemies" is something to worry about! Once against, $cientology has a long and documented history of stalking, harassment, and abusing the legal system to silence it's critics. This wholesale abuse of the law, and trampling on other people's rights is something to be concerned about. Your cult is not above the law!
sk8mike 4 months ago
@sk8mike No, we are not above the law. I know that.
patphatcat 5 days ago
@sk8mike Made public by honest police officers, lawyers, judges, the whole criminal justice system, of course.
patphatcat 5 days ago
@patphatcat Well in order for that to happen a crime must first be reported. Scientology is not trust worthy. $cientology is a criminally convicted organization (eg. fraud, breach of public trust, etc). It is also known that $cientology has an internal justice system, and it's "out-ethics" for $cientologists to go to the police because it causes bad publicity. Like in the case of Jane Eastgate, President of CCHR, who covered up abuse by making a rape victim lie to the authorities.
sk8mike 5 days ago
@sk8mike Then they will go to prison, sooner or later. That's it.
patphatcat 3 days ago
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@patphatcat Made public by whom? $cientology is a racket, staff members are only following orders.
A vindictive cult with secret policies approving organized harassment against it's "enemies" is something to worry about! Once against, $cientology has a long and documented history of stalking, harassment, and abusing the legal system to silence it's critics. This wholesale abuse of the law, and trampling on other people's rights is something to be concerned about. Your cult is not above the law!
sk8mike 4 months ago
@sk8mike Also, In the 60's/70's(??) the IRS brought a lawsuit against Scientolgy orgs. The IRS was guilty of not giving us the information we needed to defend ourselves and the Sci. orgs had a right to that information. "The Freedom of Information Act" was a result of the battle between IRS and Sci. orgs. and acces to information has benefitted all Americans since.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat Are you joking? During the 70s Mary Sue Hubbard, and ten other members of $cientology's Guardians Office (GO), were sent to prisons for breaking/entering, and stealing government documents (Operation Snow White).
What are you talking about? Harold L. Cross is the man credited for writing the FOIA, Congressmen John E. Moss advocated the bill, and a lot of newspaper editors and the media all pushed for the bills passage. The FOIA had nothing at all to do with Scientology, or the IRS.
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike Scientologists helped behind the scenes, since church was victim of a lack of information. The info. stolen was about the church and it was needed for defense in court case. If they had photocopied info on their own paper and not the paper in machine, they would have been found innocent. It's crazy, but that was the law. I didn't hear of any IRS agent getting into trouble for ignoring right of church to defend itself and refusing to share the info. it had on church with the defense.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@sk8mike In the 60's/70's The CIA/FBI infiltrated the highest levels of Sci. orgs, became "executives", and went to several of the strongest orgs and destroyed them by removing 1/2 of the staff and labelling them as antisocial, suppressive people. These orgs had happy, well-serviced public with well trained staff. There were no longer enough staff to deliver services already paid for and these orgs have been struggling ever since. As a result we have upset public and chaos. But staff allowed it.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@sk8mike I wouldn't be surprised if there are spys working within Scientology, secretly trying to destroy our orgs. This time I think they will be more subtle about it. Is it CIA again? FBI again? A jealous businessman? American Psychiatric Association? A company that makes psychiatric drugs? Who would lose $ if Sci. Orgs became stronger? Did you know that it is a Hubbard policy to question authority? We failed to do this in 60's/70's. Dianetics/Scientology is too important to fail again.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat What were the names of the FBI/CIA agents that supposedly infiltrated Scientology? If that story were true have you even wonder why Scientology's "technology" wasn't able to catch those "infiltrators?" CIA, APA etc everyone's out to get $ci. Something doesn't add up.
$cientology is anti-democratic, everyone loses if $ci. gains more power. "Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’ By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not." - L. Ron Hubbard
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike Don't know names. I got this from older people who were around at the time. I never asked how they got into organization. Eventually they were discovered. You keep taking things out of context. Scientology can,when used CORRECTLY, turn crazy, destructive people sane and loving. Someone could say Dianetics/Scientolgy is "illegal" and because Dianetics/Scientolgy is so useful and is used on leaders of orgs, they are saner and more loving than most & better able to do what is best for all.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@sk8mike cont. To clarify, you don't need to be a Scientologist to be sane/loving and any law is ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT, and if you're logical/loving you would write a law and keep a person's free will in mind also, NATURALLY. People should be WILLING to follow a law. It was against law for women to vote. It was against law for blacks to read & write. A destructive person with power can outlaw Scientology. That is what he meant. Ex: The FDA wants to outlaw WALNUTS! What's next?!
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat There are no credible sources that support Scientology's conspiracy theories, and paranoid delusions of FBI/CIA spies. They're lies. They're just stories that your Scientology leaders tell you to you to hide Scientology's crimes from you. No one outside of Scientology believes any of it. You have no proof, and Scientology has no credibility, and terrible reputation.
Can you see what's happening? Scientology can't hide their crimes form the public anymore. It's time to wake up.
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike Where is evidence to support this fear and negativity against Church of Scientology? There are a few angry people, and I can understand that. I was a staff member for seven years and got to speak to many staff members much older than I was. I am not going to assume they are all liars. I have no sympathy for the IRS and I know from personal experience what Scientology can, and has done, for many people. If this is what you believe, then it is what you believe. What more can I say?
patphatcat 4 months ago
@patphatcat Do the "Squirrel Busters" ring a bell? Scientology's long documented history of spying, intimidation, litigation, and harassment against their former members, critics, and journalists is to long to list here. Are you really that ignorant of your own cult's despicable behavior? Have you not been reading Scientology's latest issues of Freedom magazine? Scientology has been childishly attacking the New Yorker, Paul Haggis, and many other ex-members and journalists. Open your eyes.
sk8mike 4 months ago
@patphatcat
Do the "Squirrel Busters" ring a bell? Scientology's long documented history of spying, intimidation, litigation, and harassment against their former members, critics, and journalists is to long to list here. Are you really that ignorant of your own cult's despicable behavior? Have you not been reading Scientology's latest issues of Freedom magazine? Scientology has been childishly attacking the New Yorker, Paul Haggis, and many other ex-members and journalists. Open your eyes.
sk8mike 4 months ago
@sk8mike Staff don't have the time to do all of that. If we are evil we will all go to prison sooner or later. But, I don't think you will see any Scientology staff member go to prison. Not because we control the government or because we are trying to take over the world or because we are so good at brainwashing people-afterall, people can't think for themselves, right?- but because staff members of the church have not broken any U.S. laws.
patphatcat 4 months ago
@patphatcat Your creepy cult has an espionage bureau called the Operation of Special Affairs (OSA) that specializes in harassment. Your cults been doing it for decades. Your cult spends millions of dollars a year on lawyers, and hiring private investigators to spy on, and harass people. If you want proof Google "the Squirrel busters", but you already know who they are. Scary fact: "Legally" the Squirrel Busters haven't broken the law, or been caught YET. So you condone their harassment campaign.
sk8mike 4 months ago
@sk8mike It's OFFICE OF SPECIAL AFFAIRS, not OPERATION.
patphatcat 5 days ago
@patphatcat I know it was a typo.
sk8mike 5 days ago
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@patphatcat Do the "Squirrel Busters" ring a bell? Scientology's long documented history of spying, intimidation, litigation, and harassment against their former members, critics, and journalists is to long to list here. Are you really that ignorant of your own cult's despicable behavior? Have you not been reading Scientology's latest issues of Freedom magazine? Scientology has been childishly attacking the New Yorker, Paul Haggis, and many other ex-members and journalists. Open your eyes.
sk8mike 4 months ago
@sk8mike Once crimes are discovered we will all go to jail, so you have nothing more to be concerned about.
patphatcat 4 months ago
@patphatcat
Just ignore the man behind the curtain. You turn a blind eye to all of the greed, fraud, and abuse that goes on inside your cult. You think you're doing good because you practice quack medicine. Mean while David Mascavige lives like a king. Your cult spends millions of dollars a year on lawyers, and PIs to spy, and harass people, while you staff are paid $10 a week. Families get separated, lives are ruined, for what?
You're trying to clear the galaxy of "body thetans"! Wake up!
sk8mike 4 months ago
@sk8mike D. Miscavige does not live like a king! There are leaders who are way above him, when it comes to what they are responsible for, and they do not live like kings either. Scientologists are not saints. They might make $10 because they are not following Hubbard's policies on how to run an organization. Miscavige is not taking $ from staff. If you have an ego and you think that your way is best then u deserve $10/week. The books I have looked at about Scientology are not 100% truthful.
patphatcat 5 days ago
@patphatcat There have been many high ranking whistle-blowers that have said otherwise, and their stories all corroborate. Can you name some of those leaders that are above David Miscavige?
I glad you admit that staff members are only paid $10 a week. The fact that you think this is okay says a lot about you, and $cientology. $cientology is abusing their staff members, and there's no excuse for it.
sk8mike 5 days ago
@sk8mike I am not going to, for their sakes. Staff can make $10/ week, $200/ week, $1,000/week, depending on how many donations that organization received for that week. How much a staff member makes is up to each individual staff member and their use of the policies. The point is that if anyone in the church is a criminal, sooner or later, he/she will go to jail amd when they are found guilty in a court of law they will go to prison and they will be punished. That's it. It's very simple.
patphatcat 3 days ago
@sk8mike I am not going to, for their sakes. Staff can make $10/ week, $200/ week, $1,000/week, depending on how many donations that organization received for that week. How much a staff member makes is up to each individual staff member and their use of the policies. The point is that if anyone in the church is a criminal, sooner or later, he/she will go to jail amd when they are found guilty in a court of law they will go to prison and they will be punished. That's it. It's very simple.
patphatcat 3 days ago
@sk8mike Also, stop ignoring what the IRS concluded when they investigated the Church of Scientology. That no one person gets any money worth mentioning from church and that it is 100% a non- profit organization. It is a religion because Scientology fits with the definition of word "religion" in the dictionary.
patphatcat 5 days ago
@patphatcat Stop telling pathetic lies, that's not what the IRS concluded, and you know it. $cientology made a secret agreement with the IRS, and the terms of that deal have never been released to the public. So there's nothing to ignore.
sk8mike 5 days ago
@sk8mike No lies from me. Sooner or later the criminals will go to prison. It's simple.
patphatcat 3 days ago
@sk8mike One staff member was a child when churches on east coast were attacked. She ran into room with other kids of staff and asked"what do we do? Who do we call?" They were frantic. She said fake Sea Org members "were like aliens from another planet". I spoke to a Sea Org member and she said when they found the fakes, they found out they were working for U.S. government. Another staff member said 1/2 the staff were lined up in front of staff at staff meeting and declared "antisocial"/evil.
patphatcat 4 months ago
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@sk8mike One staff member was a child when churches on east coast were attacked. She ran into room with other kids of staff and asked"what do we do? Who do we call?" They were frantic. She said fake Sea Org members "were like aliens from another planet". I spoke to a Sea Org member and she said when they found the fakes, they found out they were working for U.S. government. Another staff member said 1/2 the staff were lined up in front of staff at staff meeting and declared "antisocial"/evil.
patphatcat 4 months ago
@sk8mike cont.The staff labelled "antisocial" hung heads in shame - a clue that fake Sea Org members were wrong, because evil people feel no shame/guilt for anything bad they do. The staff did not notice this. I personally heard the audio cassette tape sent by Hubbard apologizing for what happened, even though he wasn't there and had nothing to do with it. I don't know what was happening in rest of U.S. This happened on east coast. He said "we (staff of smaller churches) were not responsible."
patphatcat 4 months ago
@sk8mike If you're going to grant tax exemption status to a non-profit organization, you're going to need to study all of the financial records. So, you're saying the IRS was bribed/harrassed? If so, then IRS gave in too quickly and is just as guilty as church. It takes two to tango, you know?
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat
I agree that the IRS shouldn't have caved in. However Scientology's battle against the IRS had already spanned two decades, and showed no signs slowing down. That's a huge waste of resources, and tax payers' money to continue fighting against a zealous cult. It's not hard to understand why the IRS caved in, they just wanted it all to end.
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike 20 years is a long time. I was a staff member for 7 yrs and the leaders were and still are defending Dianetics/ Scientology, legally this time. (Smile.) They aren't perfect, but thay are doing the best they can with what they have. Personally, I wouldn't call it a zealous cult, but whatever.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat
The way that they stalk, harass, and slander their ex-members, and critics is extremely heavy handed, and over zealous. Per Hubbard's policies Scientology has defended it's self for decades by harassing, abusing the legal system, and character assassinating anyone that's dared to criticize them. Some people would call that zealous.
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike We can agree to disagree. We can keep going back and forth like this forever and ever.The fact is that Dianetics has been around for about 70 years. Scientology has been around for about 60 years. Today, people are still talking about it, defending it, and using it. To me, that says a lot.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat
Scientology is propped up by by it's tax exemption, bankroll, and a few clueless Hollywood celebrities. For the most part though Scientology, and L Ron Hubbard is an obscure subject that most people don't care about, or have never heard of. Furthermore the ones who have heard of Scientology know it's dangerous, think it's a joke (eg. engrams, thetans, body thetans, XENU).
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike Oh well. I guess some people will just have to miss out.
patphatcat 5 months ago
@patphatcat The only thing they're going to "miss out" on is financial ruin, family separation, slave labor, harassment, and abuse etc. I mean who wouldn't want to be like convicted murderer, and OT VII Rex Flower? Or OT ambassador Steve Brackett who jumped off a 200' bridge (ironic) after he donated at least a million dollars to $cientology, and started having financial troubles. Or OT VIII Ed Bryan arrested for trespassing while he was stalking, and harassing an ex-Scientologist. Sign me up!
sk8mike 5 months ago
@patphatcat Another OT VIII drops dead at 55, RIP. Scientology lifer Joe Feshbach (Tommy Davis's Father in Law) dropped dead while riding his bike. Dedicating his entire life, and income to $cientology sure paid off, didn't it?
L Ron Hubbard "predicted with confidence" that Dianetics could extend life. Hubbard also said that OT's have "cause" (control) over life, and matter, energy, space, and time. Face it, Clears, and OTs don't exist! It's okay to have doubts. Get out while you still can.
sk8mike 5 months ago
@sk8mike The truth shall set you free.
patphatcat 5 days ago
I love how he is always one question away from losing it
oghenebrorie 7 months ago 4
Y'know what would be helpful for Scientology's public image? A spokesperson who doesn't come across as a sketchy prick with something to hide. And since ALL Scientologists are sketchy pricks with something to hide, well.... they could hire an actor, I guess.
alexmortland 9 months ago 11
@alexmortland They have Tom...
MrAnonGuardian 8 months ago
@MrAnonGuardian Thomas Cruise is capable of thinking for himself!!
patphatcat 6 months ago
@alexmortland How many Scientologists have you met and had a conversation with?
patphatcat 5 days ago
This guy is ignorant. He should never talk about anything. I find hard to believe he can breath without mechanical external help.
Rombizio 9 months ago
He is such a blatent liar, how does anyone swallow his BS, they do not believe in medical treatment just listen to ToryMagoo44's story, they took her off of her seizure medication and she has epilepsy ...they believe that physical pains and problems are do to thetans(souls of murdered aliens from 75,000,000 years ago) trapped in your body .....what a bunch of crap.....he lies so much, just watch some of his other videos, he has clasic signs of lying, its so obvious
imaginistarequiem 9 months ago
This interview sucks. He was totally given the questions before hand and they were agreed upon for this douche to answer. She is leaving out so many important follow up questions.
timmytapeworm13 10 months ago
Actually Thetans have had lives as other things... such as clams. Also Jett is back. This time he's Anonymous. Protesting that Autism does not make him lower on the tone scale.
darkspecteranon 10 months ago
I do however believe in a spirit living in scientology itself though...........Satan
TheQuestionall 10 months ago 3
Really? Jesus is alive today? where? according to what he just said there should have been someone for the last 2000 years walking on water, healing sick, casting out demons etc. etc.
TheQuestionall 10 months ago
This guy walked out on another reporter for asking very simple questions on Scientology lol.
globalchaos1984 11 months ago
i think scientology had something to do with it, so they could get some more money out of travolta.....
5koorb 11 months ago
Definitely check out the article by Lawrence Wright in the New Yorker, profiling Paul Haggis' journey and especially the part about L.R.H.'s medical record.
TheFlymecourageous 11 months ago
Watch a few of this guys videos. He shakes his head every time he lies!
chype 11 months ago
You're just another primate that excretes fecal matter on a daily basis. Congrats.
MrBeautifulba1 11 months ago
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Federal investigators have been interviewing former members of the controversial organisation, which counts Tom Cruise and John Travolta among its followers, over allegations of enslavement and violent treatment.
According to the New Yorker magazine, the FBI is also investigating allegations surrounding David Miscavige - the group’s leader and the best man at Cruise’s wedding - who has been accused of repeatedly hitting youngsters.
jnycnuk 11 months ago
These people have to be stopped....
Not violently,obviously, but, every time I hear these people speak,it reeks of lies and ambiguous half answers...They hide behind "offense", like the muslims and sue anyone who says a word..
But we aren't supposed to challenge these freaks?
badtrunk456 11 months ago
She should've asked him, how many lifetimes has he lived on this planet?
Agonar81 11 months ago
Tommy, Know that Love is far more powerful than anger. Encourage Love brother. Peace.
MrBeautifulba1 11 months ago
all religion is a scam for the weak minded....but scientology is particularly transparent and creepy. scary that people are such sheep as to swallow the sci-fi hooey.
rmutt4 11 months ago
priceless.
sycamoreok 11 months ago
"We don't recognize or recognize anything." Wow. Brilliant. hahahahah
GlenRotterdam 1 year ago 2
If scientology isn't a religion, then why is it officially a religion?
Noctis411 1 year ago
@Noctis411 It is a religion. its a religious cult.
DS6FILMS 1 year ago
@DS6FILMS I was just wondering cuz i don't live in the states and scientology is banned in my country. So why was it officially recognised as a religion?
Noctis411 1 year ago
@Noctis411 You know, your guess is as good as mine. I don't really know how its considered as a religion, its one giant scam to waste everyone's time and bank accounts. Its nothing more than a scam that is ruining our nation's celebrities... and everyone inbetween.
DS6FILMS 1 year ago 2
@Noctis411 The IRS doesn't have the power to declare if a group's a religion or not. legally $cientology is considered a 501(c)(3) nonprofit corporation. As you pointed out $cn is not considered a religion in a lot of other countries because they do operate as a profit driven corporation.
You should Google "The Shadowy Story Behind Scientology's Tax-Exempt Status" by the New York Times. It's A good article on how $cientology got their tax exemption in the States.
sk8mike 5 days ago
@Noctis411 Someone at the IRS decided that it is a religion and they looked at the financial records of organization and decided that no one person profits from it, it is a non- profit organization. If you look at the word "religion" in the dictionary and discover for yourself what Scientology really is, u will see that it fits with the definition.
patphatcat 5 days ago
Any religion's core beliefs can be summed up in one sentence. Why all the secrecy?
lovellespice 1 year ago
The top spokesperson of a supposed faith can't even articulate the faiths own beliefs.
Bloodlovefreak 1 year ago 4
I'm scientologist now. Tommy'll be my minister.
CupisHomines 1 year ago
why is scientology even CALLED scientology LOL.... it makes no fucking sense... unless of course the science part is from science-fiction, which it probably is.
Mediumchild 1 year ago
He explained reincarnation, but could not say the word. The interview was clever in playing to him, yet getting out of him that they believe in reincarnation. This is not unique, of course, because LRH took concepts from other religions from across time to help create Dianetics. I think that if he had access to FMRI technology that he might have been even more dangerous. Oh crap, I hope I didn't give them any ideas.
CaptianKeyz 1 year ago
@CaptianKeyz The truth is the truth. What about ghost stories. Too many stories about seeing dead loved ones in all cultures all over the world throughout history. We don't believe in reincarnation because it deals with coming back in your next life as a lower form (cockroach) or higher form (a human I guess) depending on good/ bad deeds in this life. As a spiritual being u can go anywhere u want and do whatever u want to after death and that's a little different from reincarnation.
patphatcat 6 months ago
I always want to ask people who believe in reincarnation "What happens when the sun explodes and envelops the earth and there's no place for this infinite chain of life to happen?"
LanceDirk 1 year ago 2
Dodged the autism question pretty hard the first time. He says the church doesn't recognize or not recognize anything, but that's clearly bs because the church specifically doesn't recognize mental conditions that, as he put it, don't manifest physically like depression, because they clearly have no problem pretending to be doctors and claiming to know better than doctors in the case of psychiatry.
LanceDirk 1 year ago 4
Such a stupid interview. Whether or not this guy is smart, crazy, or anything has not been answered, because this terrible show made this cunt ask loaded questions with the intent of making somebody look stupid.
doncorleoneandolini 1 year ago
@doncorleoneandolini
"Whether or not this guy is smart, crazy, or anything has not been ANSWERED"
Take is easy Scilon. The purpose of the interview wasn't to investigate Tommy Davis's mentality. She was simply trying to learn about Scientology's phony beliefs.
Her questions were straight forward and easy. You're upset because Davis looked very uncomfortable answering her simple questions. She wasn't trying to make him look stupid, Davis accomplished that on his own.
HAIL XENU!!!
sk8mike 1 year ago 4
....I SEE...'Salesman'...He's NOT AT All Comfortable in This..Hmm
Markemark44 1 year ago
to the degree
johnnytothemc 1 year ago
Scientology believes we ARE our own soul, and that with Hubbard's unpeer-reviewed talk therapy we can "clear" our souls of all this lifetime and past lifetime trauma mental gunk. THEN on the "upper levels" of Scientology it is the "confidential" dead alien soul exorcism, HIGH VOLUME exorcism. That way we get rid of all the hitchhiking dead alien souls that co-inhabit our bodies and we're even MORE clear mentally and spiritually! -ex 27 year Scientologist
chuckbeattyo 1 year ago 2
@chuckbeattyo How about you clear your head of the brainwash?
Belikel 1 year ago
@Belikel Born again atheist. I realized all my past lives imagery was my own creation, and that was a big part of the collapse of Scientology. I saw NO one getting the supernormal powers. People in the top ranks of Scientology use a lot of foul language and even physical violence at times. NOT religious, and NOT superior character stuff. It's very disappointing to see how disgraceful Scientology's leader David Miscavige treats his immediate subordinates.
chuckbeattyo 1 year ago
Tommy Davis is sexy... he's so hot!
ytrogergt 1 year ago
In simple layman's terms, what Scientology WON'T openly tell people upfront, is that their "upper levels" are exorcism. The Scientology "upper levels" majorly involve exorcism, and the level 7, "OT 7", is high volume exorcism. They exorcise earth's overpopulation of bodiless souls (Scientology calls the excess number of earth's bodiless souls "body thetans") the Scientology "upper levels" (numbers 3 through 7 "upper levels") are in fact exorcism. Therapy spiritual exorcism.
chuckbeattyo 1 year ago
looks like ur goin to hell buddy!!!!1
louis1142 1 year ago
Religion is the root of all evil
mcbainst 1 year ago
@mcbainst eh. more like the root of all fighting over stupid shit. xD
supimbob12 1 year ago
I also been to a Dianetics store in my city where I live on at least 2 separate occasions. And attended a Scientologist service one time. The staff there were very friendly and listened to and answered my questions. Not sure if it possible to become a Scientologist without believing tin the reincarnation aspect. If it is, I may consider going back to learn more.
VR25MRLW 1 year ago
@ 3:28 when he takes about past lives (reincarnation)
That is one (HUGE) reason why I could never become a Scientologist. I do not believe in reincarnation / past lives. So that part of Scientology it is impossible for me to reconcile or integrate.Scientology seems like a very interesting religion. If it wasn't for the reincarnation aspect of it, I might very well be a Scientologist as of this day. It's a shame because much of it seems very helpful and is practical =(
VR25MRLW 1 year ago
...continued... they have no answer to the censorship of dissenters, the stripping away of the identities of their followers, the exorbitant cost of membership, the apparent contradictions in their beliefs or the vague statements made by it's celebrity followers like Tom Cruise or Will Smith.
sirlaughsalot1234 1 year ago
Scientologists contradict and undermine their own beliefs at every turn. It is amazing to me that the "Church" of Scientology has persisted as long as it has. Even putting aside the concept of Xenu, which Scientology has rejected as a part of their belief system in the media,...
sirlaughsalot1234 1 year ago
These $cientology fuckers stalked Gareth Cales, and 10,000 kids with PI's so they could get their names and addresses. Then, these fuckers sent their parents cease and desist letters. These are some real creeps, and do not deserve any sort of special tax status.
analyzingfunny 1 year ago
Why do they let them on these shows.
Bristow42 1 year ago
It is valid to ask how we know a true religion from a false one. One way is to examine the lives of true believers, not hypocrites, but those successfully living out those beliefs. Think for yourself; the Bible says that if you seek, you will find.
rosebeeh 1 year ago
Religion is not an ascending process. One does not aspire to accumulate fortune or fame or seek worldly pleasures. It is a descending process where one adopts an attitude of renunciation. Systematically giving-up attachment to material things.
How anyone concludes that is a bad thing I can't say.
We do well not to put the blame on religion for atrocities perpetrated by materialists masqerading as religionists.
mhearstify 1 year ago
fuk scientology
tahir27254 1 year ago
He patiently and thoroughly answers the stupid medical question...even though it is repeated.
Concerning reincarnation, many religions in the world believe in reincarnation. When the Dalai Lama speaks of reincarnation, you probably don't balk. But if you do when you see a white person saying it, you are actually being racist or at least ethno-centric.
TheGoalSetter 1 year ago
@TheGoalSetter "Concerning reincarnation.."
Reincarnation is not delineated proper in the Scientology doctrine. It is used as yet another device to dupe.
Buddhism ultimately denies the self (atma) by stating the concept as illusion. Logic dictates: to incarnate (become flesh) you (atma) must exist.
So are you saying Scientology accepts reincarnation as Buddhism kinda does? I think not.
Scientology is adhoc and doesn't stand up to the rigors of philosophic scrutiny.
mhearstify 1 year ago 2
@mhearstify I wouldn't bother to compare reincarnation theories since I don't believe in them. But people balk when Scientologists discuss reincarnation in part because they are so anti-Scientology sentiments their judgment is clouded...in part a reasoned rejection of reincarnation...and also in part, because people just reject any Westerner (White) discussing it.
So the reasoning is sandwhiched between bigotry. Press people and you'll see their true colors.
TheGoalSetter 1 year ago
@TheGoalSetter "I wouldn't bother..compare reincarnation theories"
Since you reject the reincarnation teaching of Scientology, I take it you are not one, correct? If so, your position with respect to defending them is based on a philosophical appreciation, or is it you deplore my or anyone else's subjective declarations towards anything/anybody.
Which is it? Philosophical appreciation or don't like my judgemental attitude?
mhearstify 1 year ago 2
@TheGoalSetter "He patiently and thoroughly answers the stupid questions.."
Yes, even those with a selfish ambition can master the art of deception. Let's not forget that. LOL.
Sorry if I offend. You're obviously pro-scientology. Perhaps one of the minions.
mhearstify 1 year ago 3
@mhearstify Actually, I'm objective. YOU are obviously anti-scientology thus YOUR judgment is clouded.
He did patiently and thoroughly answer the questions. To say otherwise indicates anti-scientology sentiments. It's okay, I had such sentiments until 9/11 taught me not to trust anything the media/politicians say. Over time, I learned to be more and more objective.
Hate Scientology all you want, but attack their real faults instead of making up stuff.
TheGoalSetter 1 year ago
@TheGoalSetter "Hate Scientology all you want, but attack their real faults instead of making up stuff"
Please identify from my posts just one fault I made up made up.
mhearstify 1 year ago 3
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mhearstify 1 year ago
@TheGoalSetter "Hate Scientology all you want, but attack their real faults instead of making up stuff."
Are you going to back that up or not? What was it I was "making up"?
mhearstify 1 year ago 11
It is disgusting that Julie Chen treats him like he is saying something legitimate. They cause people to die.
Who cares what Scientology thinks? They are not doctors. They know nothing of science.
rhythmythyc 1 year ago
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It's so obvious he doesn't believe his own shit!
Ceasan 1 year ago
when he says "heres the thing......" he is lying
Yahwehsninja 1 year ago
This is one dangerous man.Eternal soul, come back after death?? WHAT are you talking about?
Frankelfinkel 1 year ago
is it only me who has the sense someone is trying very hard to only say things that seem "normal" but ends up giving an impression that smells extremely fishy?
rinoritymeport 1 year ago
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rinoritymeport 1 year ago
she asks good questions
bugeinator 1 year ago
he dodged every question
imcrazy85 1 year ago
just because they dress preppy people listen
imcrazy85 1 year ago
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Scientology has Ministers as well. The only difference is Scientology Ministers don't want little boys to suck their dicks like the Catholics .....
ThePhantomLash 1 year ago
I remember the first time I made a speech.... in the 3rd grade. seriously is this the best spokesperson they have, he stutters and mumbles every other word....to the degree that you have autism and and so on and so forth and we don't recognize or not recognize or I I umm spiritually like you don't have a soul you are a soul. LOL fail please try again.
JimB667 1 year ago
Does he actually believe this drivel? Mind you, I suppose a lot of scientology is no more ridiculous than any other religion.
rss700 1 year ago
I HAD HEARD THAT TOMMY DAVIS AND HIS MOM ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP , CAN ANYONE TELL ME MORE
alaskakiska 1 year ago
he is sooooo bad at public speaking, why is he a spokes person for the church.
when he gets round it it, its all quite interesting x
rackmiller 1 year ago
hes not very good at explaining but interestings when he gets around to it
rackmiller 1 year ago
"Jett will live on in someone else's body"
completely incoherent statement.
Drastam 1 year ago
Jett's dead now... really really dead... dead all the way... dead loss
congratulations, you pissed your boys life away for 50 cents of celebrity chic
Now you're having another baby ? a replacement ? have the new baby and everything will be fine... o.k. again... fuck Jett... dead... stepped over... and forgotten... fuck Jett
GoodByeKyle 1 year ago
he keeps saying "physical problem" because religion deals with dualism and must pretend that not everything is material
AR333 1 year ago
I've been aborted over 9000 times, and now I'm reborn!
aim2lex 1 year ago
Its funny how he is trying not except that autism a MENTAL condition, he constantly talks about physical problems rather than mental.
blackhearted05 1 year ago
Scientology is true to a certain degree, we are all souls and death does not exist because your soul is comprised of energy and energy cannot be destroyed. It is said that the Rothschilds mastered the incarnation technique and are able to dock multiple bodies.
fukwaynecampaign2 1 year ago
John Sweeney should have been the interviewer
PresidentOfMyself 1 year ago 2
Scientology is so ridiculous.
TheGhostfacekilla86 1 year ago
interesting, yet strange.....
TheEverlastingMuse 1 year ago