I must say that I hate Anne in TOBG. I wonder how the story would have turned if Mary told Henry about Henry Percy and her sister when he aksed her to say if it was true that they married.
This Movie is NOT the TRUE history of the Boleyn girls, neither Anne nor his sister. You should read Richard Starkey's history of this period. HE is a TRUE historian. These scenes are just supposition for the movie NOT FACT!
But if people do remember she was originally driven to do these things when her father and uncle forced her to do this, but then once she became more and more "addicted" if you would says, to the courts power she took things in to her own hand.
But I still don't understand why would Anne use her nephew to get attention from the king?
@renesmee23cullen She didn't! It is just a scene in this movie, it is not fact. Many of the scenes in this film are just made up for the movie they never happened . There is no evidence that Mary had children to Henry he certainly never recognised any of her children as being his. He did acknowledge the son Bessie Blount bore and made him Duke of Richmond. This son, Prince Henry, in fact remained until his early death the richest and most high personage in England, other than the King himself
phillipa greogory insulted the Boleyn name when she wrote this, i cant believe she would write such a great woman to be so cruel. you want accuracy - watch 'the tudors'
Anne never adopted the child... in fact the child was never recognized as Henry's child. Neither Mary Boleyn or her family tried to say the child was the kings
ANNE IS A BITCH! i cryed just watching this scene, they should have shown it in the movie! and i have a question.. in real history did anne adopt marrys child?
ANNE IS A BITCH! i cryed just watching this scene, they should have shown it in the movie! and i have a question.. in real history did anne adopt marrys child?
@diannacandice No she didn't. Also, Mary was no angel, she was actually renowned for being a bit of a whore and had already had several affairs in the French royal courts...according to some sources.
@AngelusSpkGrrl True, but there was really no way that Henry VIII could claim Henry Carey as his son - since Mary was still (technically) married to William Carey and the child could have easily been his..even though I do personally believe that the child was Henry's.
@gilyat If you want meticulous accuracy, read a textbook. But this is fiction - so exactly. It's not going to follow everything. I have to agree that the real histories are intriguing...but so is this.
What I find poatic about King Henry"s hairs is the one that he shunded the most is the one that Lead England for so long and was the one who lead the golden age
@PrincessKarrah Henry the eighth had 3 kids but possibly 3 illegitimate children. He had Edward by Jane Seymour, Elizabeth by Anne Boleyn and Mary by Catherine of Aragon. Anne's sister Mary's affair with Henry may have possibly brought two children, Henry and Catherine. Again, I am simply stating what history says but this movie and the book were completely fictional.
@jokersarecool2012 The ONLY illigitimate child ever acknowledged by Henry V111 was his son Henry Fitzroy to Elizabeth Blount, a lady of Queen Katherine of Aragon's bed chamber. Cardinal Wolsey was one his Godparents. Henry Fitzroy (Fitz used as a prefix in Royalty donates illigitimacy) was born in 1519 and given the titles of Duke of Richmond & Somerset. He died on23rd July 1536. Read the facts The Bastard Prince by Beverley A Murphy. Other unacknowledged kids are named. This scene is fiction.
This film is based on a fictional novel, based very loosely on the known facts. I can never understand why films are not made true to the historical facts, because the REAL history is FAR more interesting, and many more facts are given about Anne so that one can form the correct opinion about her, As far as I know, Anne never adopted her sister's child, the boy grew up in his mother's care. Richard Starkey is by far the world's leading authority on British History , especially the Tudors.
All of the feelings everyone shows combined can't add up to all the emotion Catherine of Aragon gives off. Ana (and Kristin) were the best parts of this movie!
God, I absolutely hated this movie/book. It really distorted the true Anne Boleyn into a cruel woman, which she simply wasn't. Anyone who thinks otherwise has been reading too much Philippa Gregory. Pick up an actual history book.
Gush! Am i only person who read real Historical books about king Henry ans Anne Boleyn? She was very good person, yes with ambitions but she loved king Henry. And king loved her and he did everything for making her queen not because he terribly wanted her but 'cause he Loved that woman. They had sex before marriage, so it was not the purpose why they got married. Anna had huge influence on king that's why court hated her and did conspiracy against Boleyn.
I love this book and this story, but it's far from real history. What I love about it is that Mary Boleyn is in the spotlight. There must have been SOME rivilary between the girls. I mean ones sister is a very important person in ones life. I like that this side of the story, even though it's very much made up, has been brought to attention.
Dirrtyxtina- this never actually happened. Mary's children were never the king's for one thing. If they had been he would have claimed them. He was desprate to prove he could produce sons. Also when Anne took over raising mary's don it was kindness not cruelty. And Mary had nothing to do with raising Elizabeth. Her governess Kar Ashley did that.
@00Petulia00 I regret but you are wrong. Henry the eighth was believed to have had a number of illegitemate childre. However only 3 are known , the most famous was his son Henry Fitzroy by Elizabeth (Bessie) Blount, who died young. Henry actually acknowledged this son, and made him the Duke of Richmond. Mary Boleyn had two children by him , a boy and a girl.
@gilyat Those were only rumors. Most historians believe that both children were William's children, not Henry's. Catherine and Henry Carey were both considered William Carey's children.
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I don't see how she's cruel towards the child; he is not harmed in any way. She is certainly quite cruel towards the Queen (Catherine of Aragon), but then, almost everyone in the palace then was always embroiled in one intrigue after another.
Do you know what the song is called on the original trailer? I keep finding that it is called "here comes the king" or on the Narnia soundtrack but I do not find it. Can you help??? I love it. Thanks
Because before this, anne was told not to interfere with Mary and the King's Relationship. However once she did she became unbareable and unbelieveable. She became cold which is what this scene shows.
@LoveSoundtracksGirl See my reply below. I do not think that that is what the scene is portraying at all. Anne is just "setting the Scene" as it were for Henry to witness how she would look with a son, Their son. Henry knew the little boy was his. He also had a daughter to Mary.
@LoveSoundtracksGirl Why do you call her cold? she did nothing to that child...Just reached her point. No harm came from such play. That child was now at the kings favour. So I don't get why Mary isn't happy?
@JaponLights In this movie, she is precieved as cruel, i think that its very uncaring of her to use the child of her sister, whom in the story, lets be honest, doesn't really like her at all. She might have loved her but before this scene, she was cruel to her, and it's kinda wrong to use the son of the sister whom you been so evil to, especially after taking the kings affections away herself.. (in the story and movie of course) ;D
In the book, Anne adopts Mary's son without Mary's permission. That is truely cold. Though I do wonder if Anne was as cold as history percieves her to be, or if she is just a victim of opinionated history.
@thegleekabletwihard well i don't think she was cold, she was ambitious yes,in certain ways she was cold towards others, for example Katherine of Aragon or Jane Seymour, whoever was a danger to her, but i don't think she was cold as they say. Plus in the book, its all based on what Philippa Gregory believed happened or should have. I heard she doesn't like Anne Boleyn, i don't know if it is certain though. But in real life, there is no evidence that i have heard of that states that she did so.:)
@LoveSoundtracksGirl I've always thought the notion that Anne had any particular doing in the whole scheme, pretty ridiculous. She was a woman, which this movies states again and again made her inable to act properly of her own accord. However, fails to actually show. Sure, she had to have some level of ambition, but I've always just figured she was a puppet in the men's game.
Because the wanted Mary to become queen. If Anne messed Mary's chances up when they were going so well, and then her own, neither of Thomas's daughters would become queen...I think.
Why doesn't the King know his own son? I mean, he knows Mary has his child, and it was a boy, I realize he say the baby for only a moment, before he left, right after he was born, but he suddenly fines Anne with a little boy who's named Henry, and who's the age his son with Mary would be.
On another note, Anne? What a bitch! Using her own Nephew like that! Mary's defiantly the better sister, she takes care of Elizabeth after Anne's death.
@DirrtyXtina87 You are misunderstanding why Ann did this in the film. The king knew it was his son, he knew he was Mary's, but Anne was pointing out and allowing Henry to witness in a subtle way "this is how things could be for you, I will give you sons, legitimate sons". But of course the one she had died.
Why Anne, as a matter of curiousity? I'd have thought that Henry would be the one to merit a slap, if anybody did.
If Henry wanted Mary to be the one playing with him and little Henry, he was free to send a message to invite Mary to join them, just as he was free to tell Anne to leave if he wanted to be alone with the kid. He was the King, after all. If he didn't want to invite Mary, it was his choice not to.
Little Henry seemed to be having a good time with his aunt before Henry arrived.
yes he did find out. i wished they would have put this scene in the movie, when you read the book it tells you about how anne used mary's son to get closer to the king.
the boy isn't that the kings son? in the film mary and the king are having sex and she gives birth to a healty son... isn't it that blond boy henry if that is his real name
This was a powerful scene and I wish they had included it because it showed the driving motivation of why Henry wanted to get rid of his wife and why he later killed Anne. and then later picked up 4 other wives. plus I loved seeing everyone's reactions while they were sword playing. so much was going. layers upon layers. cruelty, love, agony, greed, fear, desperation, etc.
@coilxcept Not really. I've read actual historic accounts about her, and believe me, Anne was no angel; certainly not the figure that most people think of her as.
illegimate children were allowed to the throne as they were deemed as bastards as their mothers were the king's mistresses. Mary Boleyn had a child that was the kings so did another of one of his mistresses.
nope because Anne never officially did. IN the book, she almost does but i believe that she finds out she is pregnant and doesn't need mary's son anymore. Am i correct? It's been a very long time since i read the book so if i'm wrong SORRY!
@LoveSoundtracksGirl I was very confused by that in the book! Because she clearly DID adopt Marys son, but never *took use* of him as she had planned which is very odd:P
In the book, Anne adopts Henry Carey after William Carey dies, against Mary's wishes, and PG gives the impression that this means that when Henry marries Anne, he gets a son. This is not the case.
Even if Anne had adopted Henry Carey, this would not have led to his inclusion in the succession. He would have been the King's stepson, as Elizabeth Woodville's sons by her first marriage were when she married Edward IV, not a potential heir to the throne, so the whole plotline is pretty pointless.
Historically, Henry gave Anne the wardship of her nephew after William Carey (his official father - Henry never acknowledged a child by Mary Boleyn, contrary to the book) died but this didn't make him her son. She was his legal guardian, responsible for protecting his interests, ensuring that he was educated, etc, not his mother.
Since William Carey died in debt, Henry Carey was lucky to have Anne's support. He was not cut off from his mother.
Thanks for pointing that out. Anne taking the kid, in actual history, was NOT an act of cruelty; quite the contrary, it was one of support.
I like "The Other Boleyn Girl" a lot AS FICTION, but please don't be fooled into thinking it has anything to do with actual history. The real Anne had a hot temper, but she did quite a lot to support her sister Mary.
i think its bcos, unlike mary, anne is married to the king. so their child is the heir that will b crowned. anne is smart, mary is romantic. i think sooo... ; 0
Anne uses Mary's son to tempt the King. He sees that she has a golden tudor boy with her, and he needs one. Seeing anne with what he wants and needs encourages him to marry her, though Henry probably didn't know in this clip that this is his son by Mary.
why is everyone being so mean to anne mary was a slut, anne was in love and was wrongly killed yet mary who cheated on her husband and slept around is a saint
True,Bu mary did what she was told,in tudor times this ment she had 2 sleep with the king if her father told her 2 do so....Anne was wrongly killed for being an adultrer when there was no proof.....she was killed because the king got sick of waiting for a son from her!!!No1 deserves 2 die because their baby died!! Both sisters wer pauns in their fathers master plan......the sick man
well Anne Boleyn was definately not a sweet, inocent girl. I agree she has been portrayed as cold and cruel for centuries which is probably rather unfair, but she was not a saint either.
Why are all the Bloody Mary fans marking me down? It's just not possible to like Anne anymore, is it? Like it or not, Anne's actions towards Mary DO NOT justify what Mary did as queen. You can rationalise it all you want, but murder is murder and the fact is Mary killed people, Anne did not. Anne actually saved lives from the Inquisition during her time as queen, whereas Mary brought the Inquisition to England. I think that says a lot about who was the better woman!
Actually, you are referring to the wrong Mary. You are talking about Mary I, but in this movie it's simply Mary Boleyn who was in fact innocent. Please remember that there were actually 3 different Mary's in the tudor times. (Mary I, Mary Boleyn, Mary Queen of Scots).
UGH- this did not really happen in history. Congratulations, PG, you've made a whole new generation of fans think Anne Boleyn was a monster because of YOUR bias and hatred for her! I hope you're happy!
Thanks for posting this... I agree that this scene should be included in theaters, it showed Katherine D'Aragon's pain, Henry's desire for a male heir and most importantly why Mary was spared from execution...
If she didnt lie for Anne, she would be a little stupid bitch. Mary was the one who told her parents about Henry Percy. They loved eachother so much, and Mary ruined there marrage over political satues. The least she could do was help her sister. Especially sence Anne got shipped away because of it.
This part of the movie didn't actually happen in history.
But it's plausible as fiction because the laws of England at that time were not the same as today's laws. The king made the laws, and that was that--you couldn't say no to him whether he wanted sex, money, or even your death. When Anne was Queen, as long as the King liked her, she had that power, too. No one could stop the Queen from taking what she wanted, except the King.
Mary had a good thing going, you know. It wasn't her fault that her uncle sent her to take care of Henry after he was hurt in a hunting accident. Henry just liked Mary. Mary DID love Henry while she was his mistress, but when she was lying in with Henry's child, Anne diverted Henry's attention from Mary onto herself. Eventually Anne got Mary sent about with her "bastard child", all so Anne could have Henry to herself. I'm amazed Mary lied for Anne after that experience. Mary's the kinder I guess
well this movie is historically incorrect you know..anne's affair with the king started years after he ended it with mary..mary boleyn was king francis's mistress way before she was henry's which was why henry did not want to marry her
Haha Yes it was cruel but think back to when mary opened her mouth about anne and henry? i think anne and henry loved each other and mary ruined it for her own benefit
Wow looking at this scene it would be obvious to put it in the movie. I was always confused whether to be on Anne's side or not. But it makes sense, they shouldn't tell you to like or dislike Anne, it's more of an open opinion.
Quite a gamble for Anne to take - wasn't she afraid that, if Henry (the big one) saw his son by her sister, it might divert his attention back to Mary and away from her?
Exactly - I don't know if Mary (narrator, so I guess we can blame her) was supposed to be an exceptionally proud mother or if she was deluded, but as a potential heir, Henry Carey was useless. Even if he was Henry's son, he was never acknowledged so, officially, he was a Carey, not a Tudor.
Annew as a very cruel woman in real life as well, especially to Queen Catherine and her stepdaughter Mary (who was jsut a child) for no apparent reason other than jealousy
yes she was rather cruel to Mary but it wasnt out of jealous it was out of fear. Fear that henry would make mary queen ahead of her own daughter elizabeth plus she hadnt given birth to the son she promised. But she wasnt as cruel as some people make her out to be this movie is based on Phillipa Gregory's interpretation of the time period a very great book but not that factual. She stated herself that she hates Anne Boleyn so her writing was very biased
ye si am aware of the bias and poor quality writing ms gregory writes. I dont think she likes any of them as she portrays none of them very well or without bias!
yeah. She's made Anne into a monster for yet another new generation, rather than establishing new light on her and uncovering myths. THanks, PG! Now everyone who likes Anne is seen as immoral!
anne was a rather cruel woman, but she defo wasnt heartless and she didnt diserve 2 have miscarriages or be killed, cos she was completely innocent of the charges aganst her. but the reason she's unpopular then and today is mainly cos of the way she treated catherine of aragon and cos loadz of innocent men died because of her.
but she did not want to drag any of them men down with her. those men (mark smeaton etc) were torchured to confess, confess to a thing they did not do. So they had no win basically.
and public opnion of anne is in her favour today. Aafterher daughters 45 year reign, many ppl praised her and called her a martyr
and if she did not influence henry 8th into breaking away from rome, england would be corrputed.
OMG how sad! I dunno if it's just me but i think they should have left that scene in. It shows a different side to Henry and it shows Mary's son more. Thnx for uploading :)
I must say that I hate Anne in TOBG. I wonder how the story would have turned if Mary told Henry about Henry Percy and her sister when he aksed her to say if it was true that they married.
MarinaMaxwellYuy 6 minutes ago
This is so cute. Even if it's cruel and not historicallly accurate. Poor Mary watching what could have been with father and son...
MaddyPhillipps 1 week ago
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MaddyPhillipps 1 week ago
This Movie is NOT the TRUE history of the Boleyn girls, neither Anne nor his sister. You should read Richard Starkey's history of this period. HE is a TRUE historian. These scenes are just supposition for the movie NOT FACT!
gilyat 1 week ago
@Mia646 i understand that but she got he attention in so may other ways, why in this movie did she use her nephew?
renesmee23cullen 3 weeks ago
I'm not sure i understand what happend can someone explain?
gerbils4evr 1 month ago
But if people do remember she was originally driven to do these things when her father and uncle forced her to do this, but then once she became more and more "addicted" if you would says, to the courts power she took things in to her own hand.
But I still don't understand why would Anne use her nephew to get attention from the king?
renesmee23cullen 1 month ago
@renesmee23cullen Because her nephew may or may not have been the child of Henry via Mary, who was once the king's mistress.
Mia646 3 weeks ago
@renesmee23cullen She didn't! It is just a scene in this movie, it is not fact. Many of the scenes in this film are just made up for the movie they never happened . There is no evidence that Mary had children to Henry he certainly never recognised any of her children as being his. He did acknowledge the son Bessie Blount bore and made him Duke of Richmond. This son, Prince Henry, in fact remained until his early death the richest and most high personage in England, other than the King himself
gilyat 1 week ago
@imsofreakinboreddd thanks...Nat's So-so accent makes difficult to understand.
redcr24 5 months ago
what does Anne say at 0:18?
redcr24 7 months ago
@redcr24 "A strong rosy cheeked boy"
thecheergirl98 2 months ago
for some reason ive always been on anne's side.
Rosieuchiha 8 months ago 2
You could totally see Mary's heart breaking into peices, poor girl. ;(
thageniuslee 8 months ago
phillipa greogory insulted the Boleyn name when she wrote this, i cant believe she would write such a great woman to be so cruel. you want accuracy - watch 'the tudors'
roxylulu1 8 months ago 3
Anne never adopted the child... in fact the child was never recognized as Henry's child. Neither Mary Boleyn or her family tried to say the child was the kings
AnneBtheQueen1533 9 months ago
I really hope people aren't taking this movie as factual. If you want the truth about Anne Boleyn, then read the book about Anne Boleyn by Eric Ives.
42519981 9 months ago
Dick move Henry. Real Dick move.
LilyWalker28 9 months ago
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ANNE IS A BITCH! i cryed just watching this scene, they should have shown it in the movie! and i have a question.. in real history did anne adopt marrys child?
diannacandice 9 months ago
ANNE IS A BITCH! i cryed just watching this scene, they should have shown it in the movie! and i have a question.. in real history did anne adopt marrys child?
diannacandice 9 months ago
@diannacandice No she didn't. Also, Mary was no angel, she was actually renowned for being a bit of a whore and had already had several affairs in the French royal courts...according to some sources.
sallykeele86 7 months ago 2
Thats low, seriously thats low
BlackRaven0211 9 months ago
Poor Mary and Poor Queen Catherine!
broken89girl 10 months ago
if he gave me that sward ill say look over the where? *chops head of* haahahha!
Devilskilljoy 11 months ago 2
i respect Anne's smartness
julie101rox 11 months ago
wow. This is a powerful scene. I wonder why they decided to cut it. I think it shows so much of the twisted dynamic between Henry and his women.
Rosaspina3 11 months ago
I think Mary was overreacting. Anne did nothing to hurt that little boy and he finally forced Henry to have contact with his son.
Anne was a b1tch in the movie, but Mary's reaction in this scene is overblown.
LyricalXilence 1 year ago
@AngelusSpkGrrl True, but there was really no way that Henry VIII could claim Henry Carey as his son - since Mary was still (technically) married to William Carey and the child could have easily been his..even though I do personally believe that the child was Henry's.
kywildcatsgirl101 1 year ago
@kywildcatsgirl101 I have the belief of that to.
ZoeCEubanks 1 month ago
@gilyat If you want meticulous accuracy, read a textbook. But this is fiction - so exactly. It's not going to follow everything. I have to agree that the real histories are intriguing...but so is this.
kywildcatsgirl101 1 year ago
What I find poatic about King Henry"s hairs is the one that he shunded the most is the one that Lead England for so long and was the one who lead the golden age
PrincessKarrah 1 year ago
is mary's son henrys?
DazzledRose3193 1 year ago
@DazzledRose3193 2 one by Queen Jane prince Edward he head anther but he died for the sweat desice I think he was 7 that one name was Henry
PrincessKarrah 1 year ago
@PrincessKarrah Henry the eighth had 3 kids but possibly 3 illegitimate children. He had Edward by Jane Seymour, Elizabeth by Anne Boleyn and Mary by Catherine of Aragon. Anne's sister Mary's affair with Henry may have possibly brought two children, Henry and Catherine. Again, I am simply stating what history says but this movie and the book were completely fictional.
jokersarecool2012 11 months ago 2
@jokersarecool2012 The ONLY illigitimate child ever acknowledged by Henry V111 was his son Henry Fitzroy to Elizabeth Blount, a lady of Queen Katherine of Aragon's bed chamber. Cardinal Wolsey was one his Godparents. Henry Fitzroy (Fitz used as a prefix in Royalty donates illigitimacy) was born in 1519 and given the titles of Duke of Richmond & Somerset. He died on23rd July 1536. Read the facts The Bastard Prince by Beverley A Murphy. Other unacknowledged kids are named. This scene is fiction.
gilyat 9 months ago 2
@DazzledRose3193 yes both her children, a boy and a girl, was henry's children
ScandinavianQueen 11 months ago
This film is based on a fictional novel, based very loosely on the known facts. I can never understand why films are not made true to the historical facts, because the REAL history is FAR more interesting, and many more facts are given about Anne so that one can form the correct opinion about her, As far as I know, Anne never adopted her sister's child, the boy grew up in his mother's care. Richard Starkey is by far the world's leading authority on British History , especially the Tudors.
gilyat 1 year ago 2
All of the feelings everyone shows combined can't add up to all the emotion Catherine of Aragon gives off. Ana (and Kristin) were the best parts of this movie!
bmwwriter 1 year ago
"What's your name?" for pete's sake it's his son and while children are usually kept from court Henry would have visited his child.
AngelusSpkGrrl 1 year ago
She just let her take her son like that.
MsSweetSunMystery 1 year ago
This should have been in the movie. It was such an important piece.
meaniemae 1 year ago
i dont think Anne was cold, she was smart and some of her ways were just evil
julie101rox 1 year ago
wait a min. isn't the boy that marry had with henry? the child like??
redapplerobie 1 year ago
it wasnt shown in film!
MaryEmma10 1 year ago
this is so sad (Mary's son is taken away) and cruel (Anne took over the King's affections) but it was a good scene.
StarJune951106 1 year ago
God, I absolutely hated this movie/book. It really distorted the true Anne Boleyn into a cruel woman, which she simply wasn't. Anyone who thinks otherwise has been reading too much Philippa Gregory. Pick up an actual history book.
handofblue 1 year ago
Gush! Am i only person who read real Historical books about king Henry ans Anne Boleyn? She was very good person, yes with ambitions but she loved king Henry. And king loved her and he did everything for making her queen not because he terribly wanted her but 'cause he Loved that woman. They had sex before marriage, so it was not the purpose why they got married. Anna had huge influence on king that's why court hated her and did conspiracy against Boleyn.
lovedonbabylol 1 year ago
you know, this is fiction, anne wasnt really as cruel as you say she is
BubblegumPopMusic13 1 year ago
Why deleted this scene ??? Tha' s so beatifull
prikaeureka 1 year ago
So this is basically showing what Mary and the King COULD have been? But Anne got in the way, right?
12Ang122 1 year ago
it's messed up how he doesn't even know that that is his son!
stardusth2o 1 year ago
Uses him to do what?
AngelLuv824Ever 1 year ago
I love this book and this story, but it's far from real history. What I love about it is that Mary Boleyn is in the spotlight. There must have been SOME rivilary between the girls. I mean ones sister is a very important person in ones life. I like that this side of the story, even though it's very much made up, has been brought to attention.
applebajs 1 year ago
Dirrtyxtina- this never actually happened. Mary's children were never the king's for one thing. If they had been he would have claimed them. He was desprate to prove he could produce sons. Also when Anne took over raising mary's don it was kindness not cruelty. And Mary had nothing to do with raising Elizabeth. Her governess Kar Ashley did that.
00Petulia00 1 year ago
@00Petulia00
Also, he didn't want his son to be a bastard.
TheGleeFandom 1 year ago
@00Petulia00 I regret but you are wrong. Henry the eighth was believed to have had a number of illegitemate childre. However only 3 are known , the most famous was his son Henry Fitzroy by Elizabeth (Bessie) Blount, who died young. Henry actually acknowledged this son, and made him the Duke of Richmond. Mary Boleyn had two children by him , a boy and a girl.
gilyat 1 year ago
@gilyat Those were only rumors. Most historians believe that both children were William's children, not Henry's. Catherine and Henry Carey were both considered William Carey's children.
00Petulia00 1 year ago 2
I wonder..how to you download movies from youtube?
Awardcrazed 1 year ago
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gilyat 1 year ago
I don't see how she's cruel towards the child; he is not harmed in any way. She is certainly quite cruel towards the Queen (Catherine of Aragon), but then, almost everyone in the palace then was always embroiled in one intrigue after another.
eirene1988 1 year ago
Do you know what the song is called on the original trailer? I keep finding that it is called "here comes the king" or on the Narnia soundtrack but I do not find it. Can you help??? I love it. Thanks
missdownzie 1 year ago
Anne boleyn used to be my favorite character in european history but now i think differently about her.
abbyberalizrodriguez 1 year ago
how is she using him? i don't get it
livcaitbff 1 year ago
is it sad because she is using her son to flirt with the king?, sorry I'm not good with social situations
HPAbby 1 year ago
@HPAbby Its not her son, its Marys
pandabearsweetie 1 year ago
@pandabearsweetie yeah that's what I meant it's sad because she's using her sister's son to flirt with the king right?
HPAbby 1 year ago
@HPAbby In a way yes. She is showing him "look I will give you sons"
gilyat 1 year ago
Henry vs Henry, so cute!
Anne Boleyn... I'm aware this is fiction, but what a wench!
EnchantressLaina 1 year ago
what a bitch!!!! and the king is just stupid to not realize thats his son.
twilightgirl941 1 year ago
@twilightgirl941 of course he knows very well the child his
gilyat 1 year ago
i wonder if the King was actually good with kids in history....
LoonyTunesGirl13 2 years ago
Why was Norfork and Anne's father looking at her like that? 2:53
d0narroyo 2 years ago
Because before this, anne was told not to interfere with Mary and the King's Relationship. However once she did she became unbareable and unbelieveable. She became cold which is what this scene shows.
LoveSoundtracksGirl 2 years ago 3
@LoveSoundtracksGirl See my reply below. I do not think that that is what the scene is portraying at all. Anne is just "setting the Scene" as it were for Henry to witness how she would look with a son, Their son. Henry knew the little boy was his. He also had a daughter to Mary.
gilyat 1 year ago
@LoveSoundtracksGirl Why do you call her cold? she did nothing to that child...Just reached her point. No harm came from such play. That child was now at the kings favour. So I don't get why Mary isn't happy?
JaponLights 1 year ago 7
@JaponLights In this movie, she is precieved as cruel, i think that its very uncaring of her to use the child of her sister, whom in the story, lets be honest, doesn't really like her at all. She might have loved her but before this scene, she was cruel to her, and it's kinda wrong to use the son of the sister whom you been so evil to, especially after taking the kings affections away herself.. (in the story and movie of course) ;D
LoveSoundtracksGirl 1 year ago 10
@LoveSoundtracksGirl
In the book, Anne adopts Mary's son without Mary's permission. That is truely cold. Though I do wonder if Anne was as cold as history percieves her to be, or if she is just a victim of opinionated history.
thegleekabletwihard 1 year ago 20
@thegleekabletwihard well i don't think she was cold, she was ambitious yes,in certain ways she was cold towards others, for example Katherine of Aragon or Jane Seymour, whoever was a danger to her, but i don't think she was cold as they say. Plus in the book, its all based on what Philippa Gregory believed happened or should have. I heard she doesn't like Anne Boleyn, i don't know if it is certain though. But in real life, there is no evidence that i have heard of that states that she did so.:)
LoveSoundtracksGirl 1 year ago 7
@LoveSoundtracksGirl I've always thought the notion that Anne had any particular doing in the whole scheme, pretty ridiculous. She was a woman, which this movies states again and again made her inable to act properly of her own accord. However, fails to actually show. Sure, she had to have some level of ambition, but I've always just figured she was a puppet in the men's game.
Sindizwe 1 year ago
@d0narroyo
Because the wanted Mary to become queen. If Anne messed Mary's chances up when they were going so well, and then her own, neither of Thomas's daughters would become queen...I think.
TheGleeFandom 1 year ago
Why doesn't the King know his own son? I mean, he knows Mary has his child, and it was a boy, I realize he say the baby for only a moment, before he left, right after he was born, but he suddenly fines Anne with a little boy who's named Henry, and who's the age his son with Mary would be.
On another note, Anne? What a bitch! Using her own Nephew like that! Mary's defiantly the better sister, she takes care of Elizabeth after Anne's death.
DirrtyXtina87 2 years ago
@DirrtyXtina87 You are misunderstanding why Ann did this in the film. The king knew it was his son, he knew he was Mary's, but Anne was pointing out and allowing Henry to witness in a subtle way "this is how things could be for you, I will give you sons, legitimate sons". But of course the one she had died.
gilyat 1 year ago
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Anne got hers in the end. I guess she can now lose her head since it isn't attached to her shoulders anymore. LOL.
Coganboy 2 years ago
What? They should have put this part in!
It's so beautifully sad :(
I like the way Mary, Elizabeth, Duke of Norfolk & Thomas Boleyn and Katherine look out on the son that the king wished for so badly...
So...sad from all angles that this child was the son they all dreamed of, and what could have been of Anne & Henry....
Ahh such great movie making it should have been in the film! Xx
Emileeh22 2 years ago 3
Why Anne, as a matter of curiousity? I'd have thought that Henry would be the one to merit a slap, if anybody did.
If Henry wanted Mary to be the one playing with him and little Henry, he was free to send a message to invite Mary to join them, just as he was free to tell Anne to leave if he wanted to be alone with the kid. He was the King, after all. If he didn't want to invite Mary, it was his choice not to.
Little Henry seemed to be having a good time with his aunt before Henry arrived.
ReganIX 2 years ago 4
1. That boy needs his hair cut
2. Henry! That's a fine name isn't it! - Fail
3. Anne is cruel
Kailuh727 2 years ago
I hated to say! but DAMNＩＴ！
syen219 2 years ago
when i read this patr in the book i got sooo pissed!
freespiritwildchild 2 years ago
I think it is sad for Mary and Katherine but for Anne and Henry it almost looks like a happy family.....
Anakinstrueluv 2 years ago 2
i didn't understand 'cause i'm italian but: what's happened?
Saysasu 2 years ago
i just love Katherine of Aragon here, so much pain, so much silent and grieves her to death.
zolieraine 2 years ago
yes he did find out. i wished they would have put this scene in the movie, when you read the book it tells you about how anne used mary's son to get closer to the king.
PrincessAki2009 2 years ago
will the king ever find out that little henry is he's son ?
MKandASH4 2 years ago
the boy isn't that the kings son? in the film mary and the king are having sex and she gives birth to a healty son... isn't it that blond boy henry if that is his real name
MKandASH4 2 years ago
This was a powerful scene and I wish they had included it because it showed the driving motivation of why Henry wanted to get rid of his wife and why he later killed Anne. and then later picked up 4 other wives. plus I loved seeing everyone's reactions while they were sword playing. so much was going. layers upon layers. cruelty, love, agony, greed, fear, desperation, etc.
atecin888 2 years ago 5
This is Phillippa Gregory's Anne, remember. So far from the real Anne Boleyn it's not funny.
coilxcept 2 years ago 22
@coilxcept Not really. I've read actual historic accounts about her, and believe me, Anne was no angel; certainly not the figure that most people think of her as.
anniettgirl1996 9 months ago
Why could illigitimate children allowed to the throne anybody knows ? Henry had an illigitimate son Henry Fitzroy
misteeq64 2 years ago
illegimate children were allowed to the throne as they were deemed as bastards as their mothers were the king's mistresses. Mary Boleyn had a child that was the kings so did another of one of his mistresses.
jewishprincess08 2 years ago 3
Since Anne adoapted Mary's son, didn;t England already have an heir?
DisneySerbiaIran 2 years ago
nope because Anne never officially did. IN the book, she almost does but i believe that she finds out she is pregnant and doesn't need mary's son anymore. Am i correct? It's been a very long time since i read the book so if i'm wrong SORRY!
LoveSoundtracksGirl 2 years ago
Oh, thank you so much for the answer, it was confusing me for a while. =)
DisneySerbiaIran 2 years ago
If I were you I'd kinda ignore the book
In real life she did adopt him
but the English people wouldn't stand for an illegitimate boy would they?
Or he would have got Henry Fitzroy
dramaqueen7777777 2 years ago
@LoveSoundtracksGirl I was very confused by that in the book! Because she clearly DID adopt Marys son, but never *took use* of him as she had planned which is very odd:P
applebajs 1 year ago
*Legitimate*
dramaqueen7777777 2 years ago
In the book, Anne adopts Henry Carey after William Carey dies, against Mary's wishes, and PG gives the impression that this means that when Henry marries Anne, he gets a son. This is not the case.
Even if Anne had adopted Henry Carey, this would not have led to his inclusion in the succession. He would have been the King's stepson, as Elizabeth Woodville's sons by her first marriage were when she married Edward IV, not a potential heir to the throne, so the whole plotline is pretty pointless.
ReganIX 2 years ago 2
Historically, Henry gave Anne the wardship of her nephew after William Carey (his official father - Henry never acknowledged a child by Mary Boleyn, contrary to the book) died but this didn't make him her son. She was his legal guardian, responsible for protecting his interests, ensuring that he was educated, etc, not his mother.
Since William Carey died in debt, Henry Carey was lucky to have Anne's support. He was not cut off from his mother.
ReganIX 2 years ago 5
Thanks for pointing that out. Anne taking the kid, in actual history, was NOT an act of cruelty; quite the contrary, it was one of support.
I like "The Other Boleyn Girl" a lot AS FICTION, but please don't be fooled into thinking it has anything to do with actual history. The real Anne had a hot temper, but she did quite a lot to support her sister Mary.
michirucarrera 2 years ago 39
@DisneySerbiaIran
i think its bcos, unlike mary, anne is married to the king. so their child is the heir that will b crowned. anne is smart, mary is romantic. i think sooo... ; 0
aristroids 1 year ago
This is fucked up on so many levels
bunnywailer14 2 years ago 3
Can someone tell me what is going on in this scene? I'm a little lost.
Simhawk09 2 years ago
Anne uses Mary's son to tempt the King. He sees that she has a golden tudor boy with her, and he needs one. Seeing anne with what he wants and needs encourages him to marry her, though Henry probably didn't know in this clip that this is his son by Mary.
schoolgurl95 2 years ago 5
why is everyone being so mean to anne mary was a slut, anne was in love and was wrongly killed yet mary who cheated on her husband and slept around is a saint
britndjustinfan1012 2 years ago
True,Bu mary did what she was told,in tudor times this ment she had 2 sleep with the king if her father told her 2 do so....Anne was wrongly killed for being an adultrer when there was no proof.....she was killed because the king got sick of waiting for a son from her!!!No1 deserves 2 die because their baby died!! Both sisters wer pauns in their fathers master plan......the sick man
quiet4me 2 years ago 4
if mary had refused the king she would have been killed you idiot
jewishprincess08 2 years ago 2
No :S
But she couldn't live her own life her family would have made her or she would have been disowned.
dramaqueen7777777 2 years ago
yes she would have been killed or at least disgraced by turning down the King regardless of her family
jewishprincess08 2 years ago
Mary should have slapped her sister, her father and her uncle for what they did to her!
Roxanneactress 2 years ago
well Anne Boleyn was definately not a sweet, inocent girl. I agree she has been portrayed as cold and cruel for centuries which is probably rather unfair, but she was not a saint either.
missmephistopheles 2 years ago 4
Why are all the Bloody Mary fans marking me down? It's just not possible to like Anne anymore, is it? Like it or not, Anne's actions towards Mary DO NOT justify what Mary did as queen. You can rationalise it all you want, but murder is murder and the fact is Mary killed people, Anne did not. Anne actually saved lives from the Inquisition during her time as queen, whereas Mary brought the Inquisition to England. I think that says a lot about who was the better woman!
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago 3
Actually, you are referring to the wrong Mary. You are talking about Mary I, but in this movie it's simply Mary Boleyn who was in fact innocent. Please remember that there were actually 3 different Mary's in the tudor times. (Mary I, Mary Boleyn, Mary Queen of Scots).
AngelEmeraldSkull 2 years ago 4
There was also Mary Tudor, Queen of France.
glindoneimer 2 years ago 3
Yes, when I read the book I found this fact so impressive, but when I watched the movie, I didn't notice that was eliminated.
You're right, it's one of the saddest scenes in the movie, above the historical coherence.
SunsetMoon91 2 years ago
I do not remember seen that part in the theatre? Perhaps I had gone to the restroom or for a snack
md991free 2 years ago
If you read the description you'll see that no one did because it's a deleted scene?!
LoveSoundtracksGirl 2 years ago
LOL
MissTopui 2 years ago
who is the dad to little henry ?
MKandASH4 2 years ago
Little Henry is the child of Mary Boleyn and Henry the 8th's
phantomjo 2 years ago
actually that was never proved it was just a guess
britndjustinfan1012 2 years ago
UGH- this did not really happen in history. Congratulations, PG, you've made a whole new generation of fans think Anne Boleyn was a monster because of YOUR bias and hatred for her! I hope you're happy!
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago 3
they took SO many important scenes out of this movie!
JunIndra 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this... I agree that this scene should be included in theaters, it showed Katherine D'Aragon's pain, Henry's desire for a male heir and most importantly why Mary was spared from execution...
JuzTudor70AD 2 years ago 2
i don't get this film. can someone explan, please?
mahogonywhisper 2 years ago
Go to wikipedia..check out
- mary boleyn
- anne boleyn
- king henry 8
:)
JunIndra 2 years ago
OMG I hate that cruel bitch Anne! I know Anne wasn't this cruel and bitchy in real life but I hate Natalie Portman as well
xxcookiejord 2 years ago
well the author of the book hated everyone BUT mary boleyn ... so go figure
scrambledmusings 2 years ago
I know. I hope she's happy with how she portrayed Anne, because that's how everyone will see her for the next 30 years!
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago
If she didnt lie for Anne, she would be a little stupid bitch. Mary was the one who told her parents about Henry Percy. They loved eachother so much, and Mary ruined there marrage over political satues. The least she could do was help her sister. Especially sence Anne got shipped away because of it.
charcola13 2 years ago
i don't get why mary did not keep the child she's a grown up a mother just say no anne stay away from my boy
azerty12321 2 years ago
This part of the movie didn't actually happen in history.
But it's plausible as fiction because the laws of England at that time were not the same as today's laws. The king made the laws, and that was that--you couldn't say no to him whether he wanted sex, money, or even your death. When Anne was Queen, as long as the King liked her, she had that power, too. No one could stop the Queen from taking what she wanted, except the King.
michirucarrera 2 years ago 2
this is a cute sad part
jasam4life2 3 years ago
It's a shame that they didn't use it in a movie...
dudziakpn 3 years ago 3
Oh gosh Poor Mary! :'(
To see how much the king loved her son, and she knew he probably wouldn't take her back with Anne around.
Tudor3867 3 years ago
Mary had a good thing going, you know. It wasn't her fault that her uncle sent her to take care of Henry after he was hurt in a hunting accident. Henry just liked Mary. Mary DID love Henry while she was his mistress, but when she was lying in with Henry's child, Anne diverted Henry's attention from Mary onto herself. Eventually Anne got Mary sent about with her "bastard child", all so Anne could have Henry to herself. I'm amazed Mary lied for Anne after that experience. Mary's the kinder I guess
Tudor3867 3 years ago
well this movie is historically incorrect you know..anne's affair with the king started years after he ended it with mary..mary boleyn was king francis's mistress way before she was henry's which was why henry did not want to marry her
JunIndra 2 years ago 2
wait... she claimed henry to be her own son???
Budaphly 3 years ago
No she's just using him to put ideas into the King's head.
vintagefish921 3 years ago 2
Haha Yes it was cruel but think back to when mary opened her mouth about anne and henry? i think anne and henry loved each other and mary ruined it for her own benefit
x.o
NessaBaybeee 3 years ago
they should have added this to the movie. love it thanks for posting:)
countrylova 3 years ago
Wow looking at this scene it would be obvious to put it in the movie. I was always confused whether to be on Anne's side or not. But it makes sense, they shouldn't tell you to like or dislike Anne, it's more of an open opinion.
BlueStellaluna 3 years ago
Quite a gamble for Anne to take - wasn't she afraid that, if Henry (the big one) saw his son by her sister, it might divert his attention back to Mary and away from her?
ReganIX 3 years ago 5
Which is why it is obvious that it is very unhistoric, as is this entire book and movie.
queneofhearts 3 years ago 3
Exactly - I don't know if Mary (narrator, so I guess we can blame her) was supposed to be an exceptionally proud mother or if she was deluded, but as a potential heir, Henry Carey was useless. Even if he was Henry's son, he was never acknowledged so, officially, he was a Carey, not a Tudor.
He'd never have been accepted as heir.
ReganIX 3 years ago 3
Annew as a very cruel woman in real life as well, especially to Queen Catherine and her stepdaughter Mary (who was jsut a child) for no apparent reason other than jealousy
katharinethequene 3 years ago
yes she was rather cruel to Mary but it wasnt out of jealous it was out of fear. Fear that henry would make mary queen ahead of her own daughter elizabeth plus she hadnt given birth to the son she promised. But she wasnt as cruel as some people make her out to be this movie is based on Phillipa Gregory's interpretation of the time period a very great book but not that factual. She stated herself that she hates Anne Boleyn so her writing was very biased
hazelstears 3 years ago 5
ye si am aware of the bias and poor quality writing ms gregory writes. I dont think she likes any of them as she portrays none of them very well or without bias!
katharinethequene 3 years ago
lol yeah i noticed that too. shes a great author regardless though
hazelstears 3 years ago
yeah. She's made Anne into a monster for yet another new generation, rather than establishing new light on her and uncovering myths. THanks, PG! Now everyone who likes Anne is seen as immoral!
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago 2
they really shouldn't have left this scene out
AllyMBeth 3 years ago
OH,MY GOD! HOW CRUEL OF HER!!!!
daj4444 3 years ago
I can't understand why they took it away! It gives so much sense to the whole story!
andra510 3 years ago 4
anne was a rather cruel woman, but she defo wasnt heartless and she didnt diserve 2 have miscarriages or be killed, cos she was completely innocent of the charges aganst her. but the reason she's unpopular then and today is mainly cos of the way she treated catherine of aragon and cos loadz of innocent men died because of her.
lilmizzspac 3 years ago 7
yesi see what you ean.
but she did not want to drag any of them men down with her. those men (mark smeaton etc) were torchured to confess, confess to a thing they did not do. So they had no win basically.
and public opnion of anne is in her favour today. Aafterher daughters 45 year reign, many ppl praised her and called her a martyr
and if she did not influence henry 8th into breaking away from rome, england would be corrputed.
xsexyminxyx 3 years ago 6
then again i shouldn't have said that!
sorry
princessgurl4eva101 3 years ago
It's ok! I was just trying to make myself clear, in case you didn't understand me. XD No hard feelings on my part!
DPfanvids 3 years ago
OMG how sad! I dunno if it's just me but i think they should have left that scene in. It shows a different side to Henry and it shows Mary's son more. Thnx for uploading :)
lollzpopz22 3 years ago
that was a heartbreaking scene
makdoong 3 years ago 4
This little henry was henry son by Mary was he not ?
misteeq64 3 years ago 3