Starting a blown alcohol 427 SOHC

[uther56]

How big is that supercharger?

[pchirayath]

@uther56 1471 hi helix SSI D rotor

[Mrphatbastard1]

MORE! MORE!

[douglasstclair]

How far will it go on one bottle of Mountain Dew?

[torino390]

I need a cammer wedged into my Torino. can some of you fine people pay-pal me some money please???

[evinsteven13]

is this engine fast enough to power light?

[rickbale59]

10,000 RPM...ppfffttt

[trucking604]

The most awesome engine of all time!!! In it's day the King of them all!

[68bobba]

Did it come out in a street car?

[xXCREEKSTARXx]

is it ok to be scared of that thing XD

[Logik426]

What torque and power it produced?

[pchirayath]

@Logik426 it makes about 2600 hp on a light tune and 1700 lbs./ft

[Logik426]

@pchirayath It must to reach very high revs.

[pchirayath]

@Logik426 we dont turn it much past 10,000 RPM

[slsrlsal]

@pchirayath lol not much past 10,000RPM....... I cant turn my car much past 6,000RPM's. Gotta luv the cammer!!!!!!!!!

[acuarofilio]

excelent engine

[petrolheadkiwi92]

thats rare as shit

[youpaynow78]

holy shit i pray fo that motor it is like a god

[MrRonnieG]

@jamesdb ~ The cammer did have time chair (breakage) issues but Robinson's unique gear drive design put an end to all of that. I was @ the '67 Winternationals when Kalitta won Top Fuel with this motor. "Sneaky" Pete and Tom Hoover also had degrees of succes in Top Fuel. Nicholson, Tasca Ford and bunches of others were strong with the cammer powering their funny cars. I wasn't a Ford guy but this motor was magic as far as I was concerned. So much potential.

[twistedcrankcammer]

@MrRonnieG Cammer Cahain breakage was not an issue, and that is NOT why Sneaky Pete designed his gear drive.

[collegeparkwhiteboy]

@twistedcrankcammer correct sir!

[stu460]

Poetry in motion brother,,absorb the most talked about,whinged about,cryed fowl about motor in history.....thanks for the download...

[jasonbc69]

speed shops will tell you as they told me. a guy that has built his own engine. torque gets you down the track as well as horsepower. you think a pro stock car would be just as fast with the same horsepower and less torque? no. diesels can make as much torque as they want..they can not rev as fast or as high thats why they take alot more work to get them quick. gear ratios have to be higher.

[bubblejomay]

@jasonbc69 Correction lower. I know it sounds strange but the higher the numbers in a gear ratio in the rear, the lower it is known. In other words a 3:00 rear is a known as a high rear etc.

[jasonbc69]

torque wins races horsepower sells engines

[halohadel]

sorry you are wrong. The horsepower from the engine creates torque. Why arnt diesel engines used in drag racing? They make tons of torque!

[ubernoob77]

@halohadel you have been reading way to many 1970 bmw mag's son

[halohadel]

@ubernoob77

horsepower is a measure of work done per unit time

torque is a force on a torque arm, basically the first moment of force w/r to distance

[SpeedingStudent]

In my opinion, the greatest engine Ford ever built...and they built a lot of damned great engines!

The Cammer is the Daddy of them all!

[xil34th4lix]

@fonz

FORD SUCKS YOU PUSSY.

[soverign60]

at least it doesn't suck cock, like you do...

[levisnteeshirt]

those fords didn't ,, way ahead of their time with that one

[fonzoayala88]

i got a 351c 2v in my stang, 355 lbs of torque stock! (got some nice bolt ons too) fuckn melts the tires like crazy hahaha, had to pound out the engine bay to make it fit with the shc's, but damn its a huge difference from my 302, looks alot nicer too. huge heads on'em beefy looking thing. so much torque u can drive it like a semi, i dont even go past 2k, unless ppl want to run'em, (probably gonna blow my rear end soon :D ) it can roll on idle with my t5, punch it passed 3k, and im flying.

[Dummerd]

Try a Cadillac 500 cid - 400 hp and 550 ft lbs of torque - dead stock in 1970.

or a 455 Buick in 1970 - 370 hp and 510 ft lbs of torque at a tractor like 3200 rpm.

Olds, Pontiac and Chevrolet also had motors with 500 ft lbs of torque in the early 70s.

[fonzoayala88]

thats nice.

[joshwood44]

@Dummerd Ford 427 cammer. Made in 1964. 616 horsepower at 7,000 rpm & 515 ft lbs of torque @ 3,800 rpm, and made 657 horsepower (490 kW) at 7,500 rpm & 575 ft/lbs of torque @ 4,200 rpm with 2 4 barrel carbs.

owns any other N/A V-8. in every way.

it was banned from NASCAR cuz chrysler cried that it was gonna be too fast, and they would quit if it was allowed to race.

i think Ford needs to bring this motor back, just to show they are still best.

[Dummerd]

Josh, read what engines I discussed. EVERYDAY engines that could be bought not over the counter race engines in limited quantities.

I was merely using them because Fonzi up there said he his Mufag had 355 ft lbs of torque stock.

Actually, the 515 and 575 ft lbs you speak of is miniscule in terms of real race engines.

NHRA Pro Stocks make over 750 ft lbs @ 7000 rpm.

...and isn't the 4.6 similar to the Cammer? : P

[collegeparkwhiteboy]

@joshwood44 correct, but even the 657hp was admittedly underrated, these bone stock engines would pull to 7700-7800 and and spike 680+hp, and they idle like NO other engine!

[meanmopar426]

@joshwood44 "it was banned from NASCAR cuz chrysler cried that it was gonna be too fast."

- I don't know about "crying" but Chrysler had it's version of the S-DOHC Cammer motors termed "A-925 (code not C.I.) DOHC Hemi" in the R&D department being tuned when Nascar ruled out the 427 SOHC. And just for the record. With only peanuts to spend when compared to Ford & GM's R&D monies Mopars were right there competing and often winning week after week!

[halohadel]

FAIL

The 427 Cammer made 657 hp @ 7500 rpms, and 575 ftlbs at 4200 rpms

And it was VERY reliable. Ford ran this motor for 3 weeks straight at 7.5K rpms!

Oh and by the way torque doesnt mean anything, if it did, I would be drag racing my Long Tractor

[Dummerd]

You are confusing torque with gear reduction in a tractor.

Torque IS what moves cars. The formula for horsepower STARTS with torque.

Torque x RPM, divided by 5252 = HP.

Anyway, a Cammer WAS NOT reliable. The timing chains broke all the time because they are over 3 feet long. Ask John Vermeersch (sp). He has a cammer in a '61Starliner.

[halohadel]

The cammer did have a timing chain problem. Do you know why he had a chaining problem? Because he had modded the engine out Ford's specs. A stock cammer has incredible reliablity, like any ford motor except their V6 exploders! XD

Indeed, it looks like torque makes HP, unfortuantly, this is just a formula that mechanics use to short cut their way and cut all the math out. (No Hating mechanics! They are some of the best people I know!)

Anyway, horsepower is a measure of power.

[halohadel]

It means you can push X amount of weight and Y amount of feet per unit time.

In english units 1 horsepower = 550 feet pounds per second.

When Power goes up, your ablity to acomplish work faster goes up as well.

Ex: Using a 2hp engine to lift a 3000 lb car 10 feet. It will take it 27 seconds. (30000ft lb/1100ft lb/s)

OR, use a blown 454 pushing a 1000hp, and acomplish the same task:

30,000/550000 = 0.055 seconds.

[halohadel]

In both cases, they are making the same amount of torque to counteract the force of gravity.

[halohadel]

torque is the resultant of using power for rotational motion.

[benhanson3]

yeah.. torque is the amount of pressure off the crank basically.

[jamesjdb]

Cammers were reliable, after Pete Robinson and Dyno Don remedied the chain problem, by simply making and installing a gear drive. It's to bad Ford discontinued the FE SOHCs. With more development from racers the 427 SOHC Engine would have most likely been the greatest ever. I hope Ford re-produces this engine, never to late. There has been talk through the grapevine (Brought on by John Force) that they are discusing it. I guess we'll see : )

[collegeparkwhiteboy]

@Dummerd you are correct with the formula, however incorrect with the length of the timing chain,..... It was 7', yes 7' ft long

[collegeparkwhiteboy]

@Dummerd REALLY, what are you getting at here, FORD makes more PROVEN hp, and torque with less cubic inches than any manufacturer, Period

[fonzoayala88]

here u go mr sohc, u want some sprite?

[BOBKB3NZX]

hey that was a mountain dew botlle!!!!

[boss351dude]

Sorry 408 sleeper but Clevelands RULE! To solve the oiling issue is as simple as installing oil restricters. Same amount of HP? With the stock heads or aftermarket? You guys need to buy expensive aluminum heads and stroker kits to make power. You can make an EASY 500 hp from stock iron Cleveland heads. A quick exhaust port mod to raise the floor is all you need to do to the heads. Our blocks are stronger too. How many 4bolt main windsors did they make?

[collegeparkwhiteboy]

@boss351dude I made over 500hp with D00E Windsor heads,on pump gas & 358 cubes,the hand-ported factory iron heads flowed only 226 intake and 172ex w/ 11.4:1 comp,32* total timing & a Weiand stealth intake, 800dp Holley. I ran a main girdle,which is every bit as strong as a 4 bolt. And I made over 500hp at less rpm's than the Cleveland will. The Windsor has w/ 3" mains and your cleve's 2.749. & require port plates. The W crank is obviously stronger w/ 3" mains too, and balances easier, I know

[MrStroked351]

MMMMMMM!!!! I CAN SMELL IT NOW!

[BlahBlahMoose]

What brand blower starter is that , its an older one .

[pchirayath]

it is a 24 volt allison v12 starter from a mustang. we run 36 volts through it.

[tpvalley]

is that alcohol hes pouring in or petrol to start it?

petrol can spontaniously ignite in plastic bottles, makes static.

[BOBKB3NZX]

prob oil/fuel to lubricate the monster

[pchirayath]

Probably the 65/66 Mustang

[Eddiemotor]

If i were about to get my hands on a Ford 427 Cammer, and make a nostalgia drag racing car, which car is most recommended overall to use put it into, if you want ''proper'' year model/period, low weight, decent aerodynamic(if possible), car model which could use the engine e.t.c which car is recommended if you have all those factors in mind to use?

Great engine

[MetalMan400]

id poop a little if i ever came a cross an old beast like this

[ksbsn88]

what kind of rockers are you using i know of some people having trouble finding rockers that hold up to high lift cams

[pchirayath]

stock, if the cam is designed correctly, you will never have a rocker problem. many "re-grinds" are not done correctly and cause many valve train problems.

[ksbsn88]

yeah he got it traced down to crappy bearings in the roller part of the rocker both dove and ras have problems with it it might be in hotrod mag. since it was jay brown while he was on drag week

[pchirayath]

Alcohol, for the reason than man said below

[jasonbc69]

not top fuel..alcohol. mechanical injection means you have to prime the engine by spraying alcohol in the hat

[kinga303]

what was he pouring into the intakes? i know a fair bit about street vehicles but nothing about top fuel

[59Mack]

Fuel. No accel pump to shoot fuel(with mechanical fuel injection), so you have to prime it along til all cylinders get firing.

[kinga303]

ah cool

well thats a good enough excuse to have sprite bottle full of moonshine :)

thanks for bringing me up to speed with drag tech

[nostalgiafuel]

keep in mid that it is gas in the bottle not alcohol because you must first prime the system

[kinga303]

ah yeah true

so u gotta start it with the fuel/oil mix

that makes sense, as the 7 litre cammer was never made to run unleaded fuels

and if shine was leaded, i'd be a bit bugered then wouldnt i

sorry, still learning about the older stuff

its just funny though as general motors still don't have a engine as good 1964 427 ohc, there still using crappy pushrods.

i'd love to see what could be done with the current generation 427, quadcam V10 should be a nice engine for just about any application

[nostalgiafuel]

you are right about the 427 sohc, great motor to run on fuel. but if you want a great vintage small block 327/331 chevrolet is the way to go, great little high winders :) tough motors

[randlec6]

Id take the Boss 302 or 289HP over any gm junk. The 351 Cleveland is the king of small blocks.

[Drewtitus]

amen

[408Sleeper]

Clevelands are good motors, but the best sbf are the windsors! better oiling system and cheaper to build with a lot of hp! thats why most people build 302,347, 351, 393,408, etc etc windsors!

[70machwonder]

I agree, the Cleveland was a great engine in it's time. Ford dropped it because they lost money making it. It was also designed by a gm employee who came to work for Ford in 1969. It could have been a killer engine if Ford had chose to keep improving it. The Auzzie's love this engine, they have many parts way down under that make this engine scream.

[kblackav8or]

You guys haven't been paying attention to Engine Masters the past few years. The winners are Cleveland based. Ford's NASCAR engines are hybrids that evolved off the cleveland, especially the heads. What engine was Jack Roush so successful racing.. Cleveland. I would take a 393 Cleveland over a wheezer ..any wheezer any day.

[408Sleeper]

Ummmm no! I have a 408 windsor stroker. i know a lot of people that build fords and all love windsor. they are cheaper and can build the same amount of hp compared to the cleveland.

[kblackav8or]

Build them both the same and the C based motor will outperform the W. Even the best W heads are barely better then worked factory Iron C heads. Once you go to aluminum with the C it is game over. Yes a W is cheaper but once you get serious a C based engine will outperform it. I don't care what block you use, if it is a Canted valve head and evolved from a 351C head it might as well be a 351C. The 351C has smaller mains for less internal friction other then the differences r not important

[milo6t9]

what about the v-tecs in those hiandas or what ever u call them

[claas90017]

What a sick motor..

[randlec6]

That sick motor as you call it is the fastest engine to ever come out of Detroit in the 60's- 2000. It produced 658HP right from the factory. It was the meanest of the big three when it came to brut HP. It dominated drag racing in the 60's and early 70's before Ford cut their racing program.

[collegeparkwhiteboy]

@randlec6 anyone care to challenge his statements?? I can back it up....

Where oh where are the GM and Chrysler spouters now?

[68bobba]

@randlec6 Shame it never came out in a street car.....ford should have made a milder street version like Chrysler did