illogical Trinity from Malaysian EX-Christian, Lim Jooi Soon

[zechrajan]

father son holy spirit= jadi apa------ saya tak tau kawan.boleh anda terangkan.sebab saya pun nak tahu.itu sebabnya saya post dgn soalan (kenapa)?????????

dan memandangkan en:lim seorang ex,christian saya pasti en;tahu apakan kelemahan yang terdapat dlm bible.

saya sebenarnya mencari tuhan yang benar.yang menciptakan saya dan memberi nyawa pada saya.kalau benar apa yang en;lim katakan (illogical trinity) saya sanggup dengar dan mahu tahu kebenaran.

[afiq1183]

silap tajuk daa



[uAzil14]

..ok....ok...stop.....tension betul dgn mamat ...member aku kat sekolah dan IPTA pun tak seteruk cam engkau....memang banyak perbezaan dalam Islam dan Kristian...aku tak kisah pun...tapi yg confirm...hindu buddha memang sembah berhala...AKU TAK kisah pun kalau korang nak berdakwah dalam komuniti Kristian ,pun blh..siapa yg join ...dia join ..dapat sikit elaun dari pejabat agama kat ipoh ni...aku tak nak ..

[uAzil14]

@uAzil14 lagipun majoriti penganut agama kristian di malaysia ialah kaum bumiputra...bukan cina dan macha....9% je nak malaysia ni..tu pun nak kacau...engkau buat kecoh lah bro....gua tension tgk u...tgk je cite ombak rindu atau aku bukan tomboy...sambil menangis tgk pengkid and lesbo..

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 So berdakwah adalah amanah Allah pd umat islam,dgn konsep yg sama juga umat kristian juga berdakwah..So U ni Islam ke kristian??Kalo Islam tggjawab bdakwah ada dibahu U,kalo U kristian,marilah dakwah pada kami.Sy mgalu-alukan perbincangan ilmiah.Ade dapat elaun ke??Sory la,sy x tau,sy blajar Bible pun pakai RM sdiri..

Jom talk about Bible & Quran,kenapa berminat dgn Sunni Syiah je? Blh ceritakan macamana adanya Syiah?Cerita sekali macamana ada protestant? 2 SEBAB yg berbeza,setuju?

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 bro...aku kristian lah..classmate aku yg citekan pasal sunni,syiah dan lain coz dia ambil course agama kat UM.. dan aku tak ingin nak berdakwah (STUDENT yeop)lagipun..disebabkan Perkara 11 yg menyekat penyebaran agama lain kpd penganut Islam... so ..kita blh berkwn je lah..bro

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Ler,u kristian rupanya..peliklah..Saya tau dari Bible Jesus dan Moses only for Israelite sahaja..Kamu ni Yahudi Malaysia ke??Kalau bangsa lain,tak usah la jadi Kristian kerana Jesus cakap bangsa lain sebagai 'anjing' dan 'babi' dalam Bible..betol tak??

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 jgn risau...yg yahudi nya engkau..bukan aku...yg ckp tu bukan Yesus tapi engkau sendiri yg ckp...tak pernah dlm sejarah dia ckp bangsa lain anjing...kalau kat islam ....yg bukan islam tu kafir (كافر)..(yg tu aku pernah dengar)...yahudi dgn kristian lain bro...majoriti kristian di malaysia tak suka yahudi dan menyokong rakyat palestin menentang israel..engkau tahu tak hal? ni confirm penyokong UMNO ni......peyokong tegar...

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Sapa ckp ye?? UNholt people (non-israel) dgn perumpamaan BABI di Matthew 7:8? dan siapa yg Jesus ibaratkan seperti ANJING? mark 7:27 pula??

Bagitau saya dimana Jesus ajak org bukan Israel jd pengikutnya??

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 (Correction) Matius 7:8 - Ini adalah kerana setiap org yg meminta sesuatu drpd Allah akan mendptnya dan Allah akan membuka pintu bg setiap org yg mengetuk pintu tersebut..(Correction) Markus 7:27 - Tetapi Yesus menjawab : "Anak-anak harus diberi makanan terlebihan dahulu krn kita tidak sepatutnya melempar mknan tersebut kpd ANJING... KITAB MANA ENGKAU KUTIP TU......singapore ke?

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 Yesus ada mengajak pengikut bukan Yahudi ..rujuk ROMA 11:12 dan ROMA 11:15.....Mana u dpt kitab tu..atau engkau ambil dr internet...

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Maaf saudara, ROMA/GALATIA adalah kata PAULUS bukan Jesus aka Nabi Isa..Paulus mengubah ajaran Jesus.

Copy+Paste dari internet bukanlah disiplin ilmu utk mcari kebenaran bagi saya.

Jesus utk Istael shj:Bangsa lain ibarat BABI (MATHW 7:6),ibarat ANJING (MARK 7:27),lagi MATTHW15:24,MATHW19:28.

Jesus tak mengaku umat (MATHW 7:21),Jesus hanya utk Israel dan dia akan menilai org Israel sahaja.

Saudaraku,Jesus menyembah ALLAH,mengapa anda tidak menyembah ALLAH tapi sebaliknya menyembah Jesus?

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 i rasa yg ko nyatakan bangsa lain ibarat anjing atau babi...tiada dlm perjanjian baru iaitu matius...dan sy memang menyembah Allah dan juga menghormati yesus ....saya ingin tanya di mana u dpt al-kitab tersebut coz ayat -ayat yg u ambil majoriti tak de dlm al-kitab sy...

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 VBuat ape nak tipu saudara? Tu la,baik saudara baca Bible bahasa Inggeris,baca B.Melayu memang x berapa tepat..'SWORD' pun dia translatekan sbg 'TENTANGAN'..boleh rujuk la Bible english,saya lebih suka berhujah dgn Bible english kerana B.I bhs atr bahas Utama Bible..Bible BM ni x tepat,x pcaya bandingkan lah..saya ada ke dua-dua ni.Hmm.. tgk la di w w w()bible()cc .--Mgkin perkataan 'dog' and 'pig' dah dibuang dalam Bible BM kot..kata2 Tuhan kan umpama permainan oleh ulama2 kristian?

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 kat al-kitab mane ade ayat tentangan..kitab indo adelah..

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 sebenarnya kitab dlm BM lebih tepat daripada bahasa english...u tau tak nape? kitab BM Ditranslate terus dari Biblia Heracia Stuttgartensia dan The Greek New Testament...Versi Bahasa Inggeris ditranslate selepas adanya kitab2 ini? Ayat pig pun tak de dlm kitab BI member aku..

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Jesus dan para nabi Israel x cakap Greek la sdara,mereka cakap Aramaic,Ibrani/hebrew.Sumber Bible Saptaquinta dan Codex NT semua dalam Greek ntah sape yg tulis pun xtau.85% UNKNOWN AUTHOR.Tgk jap Kidung Agung 5:16 dalam hebrew-->

w w w(dot) biblos(dot)com/songs/5-16 (dot)h t m

מַחֲמַדִּ֑ ?? <--Hebrew eja MEM-HET-MEM-DET,Arab eja MEM-HA-MEM-DAL,bunyinya MUHAMMAD,Bible BM tulis ape?spatutnya tulis Dialah MUHAMMAD,kekasihku dan sahabatku wahai anak2 Jerusalem.Hebrew/Arab bangsa adik bradik

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 oooo....so al-quran tu tak copy kitab yahudi...hahaha...starting pun sama dgn kitab yahudi dan al-kitab.....at least al-kitab ada bukti melalui the dead sea scroll - kalau al-quran? memang bahasa yg digunakan bahasa arab ke? nabi muhammmad pun slow slow menerima wahyu dari malaikat...? betul ke dia menerima wahyu tersebut ? atau dia mereka sendiri....? hahaha....

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Oh,x da masalah,blh dibincangkan..Nabi Muhammad ummi (illiterad),takkan Yahudi pandai mbuat Quran yg mggunakan bahsa arab yg terlalu fasih sdgkan org arab sdri zaman tu tak blh buat???

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 MEMANG DIA BUTA HURUF PUN..

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Jk tiru Bible,mesti byk pcanggahan mcm Bible U.Antara Cth: GENESIS2:17-Tuhan kata ADAMakan mati kalau makan buah.GEN3:4-Syaitan kata TAK AKAN MATI,GEN5:5-Adam hidup 930TAHUN.Siapa betol ni??

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 translation pun tak betui...tak faham.....tak faham.....baik engaku study al-quran...dan sembahyang 5 kali!!!.. member aku sebelah ni tgh ketawa tgk comment ko...haha!!!

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 bible? i called it al-kitab....

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 lagi cerita merepek dalam Genesis,Tuhan cipta POKOK dulu atau MATAHARI DULU?x da matahari pokok tak blh fotosintesis saudara..

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 CO2, O2, PLASMA MEMBRANE..

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Lagi satu,Tuhan cipta dalam masa DUNIA 6 HARI?Merepek saudara,sains kata dunia dicipta dalam masa berBILLION TAHUN.Allah jawab dalam Al-Quran,dicipta dalam ENAM MASA..

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 enam masa dgn enam hari...same le tu..

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 dia pun tak tau baca KAN...BUTA HURUF....!!!!!!!!!

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Sebab tu la mustahil baginya untuk menghasilkan AL-QURAN.

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 oooo..refer internet rupenya...ckp tak refer internet..

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Untuk cari ilmu mencari kebenaran mmg kene belajar dgn ikhlas dan jujur saudara..

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Dah la uAzil14,sy nak ajak kamu ke jalan benar,kalau kamu x sudi nak berdiskusi secara ilmiah dan asyik2 nak kata saya menipu,terpulanglah...Saya hanya sampaikan agama Allah kpd kamu.

Jika Kristian agama benar,saya sanggup jd Kristian dgn syarat,BUKTIKAN AYAT MANA:

1.Jesus mgaku bhw dia separuh Tuhan,separuh Manusia?

2.Jesus mgaku anak kandung Tuhan?

3.Jesus suruh sembah dirinya?

4.Buktikan Jesus MATI dikayu salib.ayat mana yg buktikan dia MATI dikayu salib?

Bawa soalan ni kpd pastor

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 haha....jangan risau ..u confirm tak kan jadi kristian..krn? kerajaan malaysia akan KEJOR engkau cukup2 ...sampai engkau mampus..JAKIM, JAB.AGAMA KONFIRM KEJOR U...

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Buat apa nak takut dgn JAKIM.Baik takut dgn ALLAH...

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 takut UMNOLAH!!! HAHA!!!

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Salah parti politik tak jamin masuk neraka saudara,salah agama Allah jamin masuk neraka...nasihat saya belajarlah mcari kebenaran dgn ikhlas..Saya msg saudara bukan kerana duit atau UMNO..

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 u sokong BN KE PR?

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 baca lah matius.konfirm u faham..kan u ada bible kan?...nabi muhammad terer lah....kahwin 13 KALI....style...playboy..playb­oy..playboy.....messagger of god?puii!!!

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Berapa ramai perempuan yg dikahwini oleh Nabi Sulaiman A.K.A King Of Solomon dalam cerita Bible??bagaimana dgn kisah sumbang mahram tentang Nabi Lot GENESIS 19:30?Msh blh terima dia sbg Nabi?

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 nabi sulaiman? nabi u juga kan?

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 haha..lawaklah

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Jika kamu menyembah Allah dan menghormati Jesus sbg nabi maka kamu adalah Islam.Namu jika kamu mganggap Jesus sebagai Tuhan @ Anak kandung Tuhan@ 1 dari 3 Tuhan,kamu silap.Jesus tidak pernha mgakuinya,bacalah Bible dan buktikan jika ada.Masuklah kamu kpd Islam,kamu tetap menyembah Allah,mhormati Jesus dan mengakui Nabi Muhammad sbg nabi terakhir.Bible sdri banyak ramalan tentang Nabi Muhammad.

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 lawaklah..

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Pernah baca?Song Solomon 5-16,His mouth is so lovely,He is desireble one,This is my friends,O daughter of Jerusalem. Atau ayat Hebrew asalnya : Hikko mamittakim wa kullo MUHAMMADim..

-...His mouth is so lovely,He is Muhammad ..tentu kamu tak akan jumpanya dalam Bible bahasa Melayu kan??Nama orang tak patut ditranslate..dan byk lagi jika sudi berbincang..Marilah kpd Islam..

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 mane ko dpt kitab yahudi? memang sah penipu ni? lepas tu nak ajak masuk islam? dah lah kat webpage engkau letak wallpaper satu malaysia? kena buat style panglima melayu ....puiiii!!!!

[uAzil14]

...i don't care about islam....u should settle ur problem with the shia..first..then u can fight with christian...

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Shia???Shia n muslim only a political problem not like Chatolic and Protestant..Both doubted about Bible..

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 ya..ya..political issue..? nope...it is not about bible issue (it is about the pope and non catholic )...the follower of ali doubt why they want to create the khalifah....but his family (ali) is still alive and can succeed muhamad..same with issue

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 So how about Bible?? 66 books or 72 books actually to be 'Holy'??Why 55% author is 'unknown' or 'maybe'..Yes,my Bible also put the footnote 'Some manuscript not has bla..bla..'..Why RSV reject some verses?why contradiction happen in both OT-OT,NT-NT also OT-NT...Friend,after Im studying Bible,my faith in Islam grew up..I knew prophet Muhammad pbuh and there is so many prediction about him in the Bible..Like a christian knew Jesus,so they can related the prediction to him..

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 do u know ..do u know why some of the bible contain 66 books and 72 books and so on...sebab christian has been divided into two main branch..which is the western christian (catholic and protestant) and eastern christian (Syriac chruch, Orthodox chruch,oriental orthodox chruch- mostly in former USSR country and middle east ).

[uAzil14]

@uAzil14 ..a lot of differences between them...(25 dec and & 7 January )day of chrismas, chapters in the bible,ways to pray and more, author of the chapter? u still don't understand the bible ,my friend(i also study about al-Quran ,Sunni,Shia,Wahhabi,Kharijite Islam )..i even have the Bahasa melayu version of the bible(Al-Kitab) it's better than english (in case if u don't understand english)...and i use it till now..

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 So the Word Of God ade 66 @ 73 buku??66 or 73,clear answer plz..ONLY 1 answer.Blh kita discuss dgn lebih rapat tentang Islam-kristian??Itupun jika saudara setuju...

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 So Chatolic @Protestant mana satu yg SESAT ye?? Katolik sembah patung?Protestant anti-patung.Ajaran sesat tak dikira sebagai MAZHAB encik,sesat tetap sesat...

[zechrajan]

bro, simple ma (father,son,holy spirit)= ais,water,vapor,same elements different forms

religion you have,god you don't have

[faiziskandar786]

@zechrajan Just a simple question,show me where is the verse that Jesus claimed 'Im God' or 'Worship me'???

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 i'm god? that's no such thing...

[faiziskandar786]

@zechrajan Blh terangkan pada saya lebih lanjut berkaitan Triniti??

FATHER+SON+HOLY SPIRIT=Jadi apa??

[zechrajan]

bro, simple ma (father,son,holy spirit)= ais,water,vapor,same elements different forms

[MrKangarooman]

ALLAHu AKBAR!

[hanayoosweet]

6. "Sesungguhnya, agama di sisi Allah ialah ISLAM (Islam ertinya beribadah/menyerahkan diri HANYA kpd-Nya. Itulah ajaran Adam hingga Muhammad SAW sbg penutup para nabi, juga Isa al-Masih. Sekalian manusia yg telah sampai menyerah diri kpd Allah Yg Tunggal tanpa ada sekutu bersama-Nya, dgn sendirinya ia telah mencapai Islam. Syariat nabi2 bisa berubah kerana perubahan zaman & tempat, namun hakikat agama yg mereka bawa hanya 1, ISLAM! Tidak diterima agama apa pun kecuali Islam)." [tafsir Qs 3:19]

[hanayoosweet]

5. Kita bukanlah keturunan Iblis (Asambaboy, anda keturunan apa?) yg apabila melakukan dosa, mahu memghalalkan pula tindakannya dgn mencabar ketetapan Allah! Allah ulangi kisah Adam & Iblis di beberapa tpt dlm al-Quran sbg panduan kpd kehidupan manusia di dunia ini & sbg TERAS dlm aqidah Islam. Menginsafi kelemahan diri bisa membunuh kesombongan kerana kita akan merasa kerdil atas segala kebesaran/kurniaan Ilahi. Kesalahan Adam & Iblis adalah berbeza – oleh itu, hukumannya juga berbeza.

[hanayoosweet]

4. Adam & Hawa memakan buah dari pohon larangan disebabkan kecuaian/mengikut perasaan tetapi tidak pernah pula berkata yg pohon itu tak sepatutnya berada di syurga hingga menyebabkan mereka terkeliru & tak sepatutnya dihukum, & tidak pula dipertikaikan mengapa Allah mencipta Iblis yg diberi peluang menggoda. Namun, mereka turun ke dunia & disertai keampunan & rahmat dr-Nya (Qs 2:34-37). Contohilah bapa kita, Adam yg mengakui kelemahan diri lalu bertaubat, bukannya humbankan dosa2 ke muka Jesus!

[hanayoosweet]

3. Apakah yg dapat anda lakukan sbg tanda kesyukuran kerana anda masih berada di sini? Masih wajarkah anda bertuhankan hawa nafsu atau tunduk kpd-Nya? Adakah anda dpd keturunan manusia Adam yg dgn penuh keinsafan & atas dasar kehambaan, telah bertaubat & tidak mempersoalkan ketentuan-Nya (Qs 7:22-23) ATAU anda lebih suka ‘berseketurunan’ dgn Iblis yg dihukum sbg KAFIR & dilaknat kerana menderhakai Allah atas dasar ketakburan serta mencabar kemutlakan Allah dlm menetapkan hukum (Qs7:12)?

[hanayoosweet]

2. "& Aku tidak ciptakan jin & manusia serta mengutus para rasul, melainkan semata2 utk menyembah-Ku." [tafsir Qs 51:56] ~ pengakuan iman wajib disertai dgn menyembah kpd Tuhan Yg Satu & beribadah spt yg diajari rasul-Nya. Sama ada rela atau pun terpaksa, kehendak-Nya tetap berlaku - anda lahir, hidup & mati! Bila org tolong anda, anda ucap terima kasih. Inikan pula Tuhan yg mencipta tangan anda, lalu anda komen pula ttg kewujudan/perbuatan/kehendak-N­ya! Wahai, Asambaboy!, rasionalkah begitu?

[hanayoosweet]

1. Allah adalah zat Yg Maha Pencipta (Qs 39:62) & memiliki segala sifat yg sempurna (Qs 7:180) ~ Maha Suci Dia dpd sifat kekurangan spt 'keluar dari faraj perempuan/menetek/dibunuh/disa­lib'. Allah adalah zat Yg Maha Ghaib & Dia menerangkan ttg diri-Nya lewat lisan nabi2-Nya ~ jika ada yg turun ke dunia & mengaku dirinya sbg Tuhan, anda akan tahu serta-merta bahawa ia adalah jin/syaitan/dajjal kerana Tuhan tidak akan sekali2 menyerupai apa sahaja yg pernah anda lihat/sentuh/dengar (1 Taw 17:20).

[salemslot777]

Alhamdulillah My brother hope it becomes easier for all to become reverts to Islam

[RedPlumJam]

this guy is talking about misconception of muslim must arabic name. you don't have to change your name to arabic name if converted to muslim, islam is about serve to true god, not about having an arabic name. even prophets before muhammad are not arab, their name are not arabic name. if your name is chinese name but means something good, like the guy in this video says his name "lim joi soon" means "heading to success" then its OK

[uAzil14]

@RedPlumJam but in malaysia ONLY ..u MUST change ur name according to the state religious department....In IC , Original birth name @XXX bin Abdullah + warganegara Islam Malaysia

[Asambaboy]

So u r telling us....that ur version of GOD is not that perfect/superb.When God created devils he doesn't know that this guys going be rebellious. When he created forbidden fruits, Adam ate it..Becoz of that, God sent them to earth; And yet again ur version of GOD doesn't know that man will start praying to IDOL, man made stone, man made holly book, whatnot; then he sent so many, so call messenger or Prophets N yet he doesn't know every single Prophets he sent created another religions..mmm

[92amethyst]

Bongok la org mentality org Melayu...ade ke patot klo na msok Islam kne tuka nme Arab..nsib baik Lim Jooi Soon nie bwk diorg blik ke jalan yg benar...

[alphamain]

@92amethyst Sabarlah saudara ... bukan bongok tapi jahil ... sebelum tahun 80'an, melayu rata2 tak pakai tudung - sekarang Alhamdulillah, ramai yang bertudung. Tak hairan satu hari terdekat nanti, orang melayu akan buang perkara2 yang jahil satu persatu.

[Newf2islam]

masha Allah, though I couldnt understand anything as its not english :)

Keep up the dawah anyway brother!

jazakum Allah khair

[MDIS]

Nama dan Bangsa tidak akan reflek kan agama anda.

Banyak orang Indonesia bernama Taufik , Ahad , Burwono , Sarjono tetapi mereka

ada lah beragama Hindu , Kristen dan juga atheist.

Nama dan Bangsa tidak reflek Agama,

Kebanyakan ummat ummat islam yang paling pertama memeluki ISLAM adalah

mereka yang beragama YAHUDI.

[MDIS]

Did you know?

Many of the first few ummahs that converted into Islam are Yehudi or Jews from Madinah Saudi Arabia. These Jews are the ones that built Islam to be great.

[Asambaboy]

@MDIS U r true abt Jews converted to Islam.But it wasn't true that Jews build Islam 2b great.When Muhammad preach Islam,he has 2 preach within the context of QURAN.Not more;not less.But a moment he died & after 200 yrs, Hadiths spread like mushroom.What Hadiths written, mostly contradict 2 what Quran says BUT quoted in 1st testament/bible.Therefore,u may nt find circumcise,beard,covered hair,touching dog/pig.bla bla in Quran at all.Those Jews when converted, they brought their old belief too... 

[alphamain]

@MDIS They already reverted to Islam ... so what is your point?

[lohktjp]

See which God has the greatest LOVE:

1. I love you human so much. These are the laws. You do this and this and this. If not you die and go to hell.

2. I love you human so much. I sacrifice myself to save you from hell.

3. I love you human so much. I sacrifice my only Son to die for you so that you can go to heaven.

[alphamain]

@lohktjp The most Forgiving God is the one with the Greatest Love - when you repent sincerely, He accepts regardless of what sins you committed previously. And furthermore He did not consider a baby born with An Original Sin - a newborn is sinless as a white sheet.

[lohktjp]

Light can be 100% particle and 100% waves. There is no contradiction at all.

[billymayday]

the whole "god" thing is illogical...

what 林 did was just dismissing the holy trinity, but did he know the whole quran was just a copied of the Bible ?? ... you mean the "god" gave human the quran?? .. why so when you can just edit it from the original torah and bible ?

[gacktz1207]

@billymayday

many islamic scholar has proven that quran was not copied from the bible. there are many proves. just google it. try to learn the quran in the right source. find out why many priest convert to islam just by reading bible. some people convert after reading the quran. there must be several reasons.

[billymayday]

@gacktz1207, becos they believe god from the bible... they believe the existance of god from the bible, and that's the first important thing to them. it's human nature to be vulnerable, we wanna be vulnerable and weakening by something else... like a child to his father, a woman to her husband... and so they believe the god they actually fear most.

if quran not copy from bible, where did the cherector jesus came from ?

[gacktz1207]

@billymayday

just because the charatr of jesus in the qoran, the qoran was copied from bible? that just to childish my friend. i agree with the saying, but im not that kind.. ive read both book. study the history and the beginning of both religion, and THINK. be like lim jooi sun. he study islam from thr right source but he also learn islam from slandring source and he compare it.believe you never read the qoran before, even touch it .

[billymayday]

@gacktz1207, you see, the old testament existed for so long before mohemmed time, at mohemmed travel route, wouldn't it be easier just to copy from the old and new testament, jump in to the bandwagan, and srpead it as a new religion. cos you see, the jesus thing, is obviously a copy.

[gacktz1207]

@billymayday

obviously? ... dude u have never read the bible neither qoran .

if mohammad copied the qoran from bible, why the qoran has no scientific errors and contradiction like bible? pls remember that mohammad cant read and right.

do u know the history of bible? how jesus was worship as a God for the 1st time? do u know that the bible was revised many times and many verses were altered?do u know only 4 of hundreds of injil (God words) was taken to be put in the bible? i bet u dont

[billymayday]

@gacktz1207, i read the bible, not the whole thing, but not yet the quran, cos i dont read arab.... so what language does the god use ? arab ?

[gacktz1207]

@billymayday

better real the whole book and judge it whether it suitable to be a words of God or not. God use arab not because the arabic wordis different from the other language.its unique. a word can be describe many things. there are many more reason. the very important thing is this is the original language what we read now is the same as 1400 years ago. not like bible, the original language was vanished. the bible now was the translation from another translation and more translation.

[billymayday]

@gacktz1207, so god speak in arab? he wrote a book, and then pass it down from heaven to mohemmed?... but you know right ? the arab words you use today, was not exist until mohemmed died for after many years.... the way i see it, it's not the word of god, and hence, neither is quran. god does not exist dude, but only when a good person believe in god make the religion great, but when the religions keep cool war against each other, that will bring the worse out of believer.

[gacktz1207]

@billymayday

i see.. i thought u are christian dude.. well so far our conversation will never bring us anywhere. i have nothing else to say to you, not that i cant answer it. im just tired. lol. well i suggest u learn more about religion. there are many more knowledge or information about religion that u still dont know.

[billymayday]

@gacktz1207, you're awesome, people like you reminds me maybe religion is not that bad after all... see you around.

[gacktz1207]

@billymayday

really?lol. well see ya around. sory for my very sux english.

[1156511]

Actually, it makes perfect sense, seeing that man is tri-partite, spirit soul and body, being made in the image of "Elohim" plural, yet One, God. Man is tri-partite, and yet one, also.

[ayrul]

Lim Jooi Soon

Real Mujahid.

May the God be with you.

[mishaab76]

I used to be confused and found there to be too many loopholes and questions unanswered but now I know the answers and where the truth is. Alhamdulilah...

[billymayday]

@mishaab76, there's a saying, and i modified it abit.... learn from the people who constantly searching for answer, don't believe those they claim had found it...

[RedPlumJam]

salam Lim Jooi Soon!

[daniellzz]

according to the mufti of Perak there are allegedly 100,000 non practicing muslim's/ apostates in Perak..now,now remember this facts arent from me. its from The mufti himself...and for the record "sowhatsowhatsowhattt" you too can search for muslim who have left islam...go ahead andd search nabel qureshi, nonie darwish, zakaria botros, fathima rifqa bary, salman rushdie and so many others

[Garubolas]

paul is the lost prophet Jesus was warning that will led his followers astray

[malphindosintha]

Jesus died and rose and IS ALIVE!!!!! Mo IS DEAD and STILL DEAD

[NuluRan]

LoL!! Well..where is Jesus right now??

[Garubolas]

mslims dont worship muhammad.

[uAzil14]

@Garubolas christian don't married a woman older than him and plus...christians don't married more 4 womans...it's unfair towards woman..nowdays..people want married with all the young girls..not even thinking about helping one aunty . old women (by marrying her)...haha

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 Christian tak kahwin wanita yg lebih tua @ tak boleh kawin lebih dari 4?? Ye ker??mana dalam Bible kata TAK BOLEH???Jgn haramkan apa yg halal dan halalkan apa yg haram.Berapa ramai isteri King Solomon yg diceritakan Bible?Bagaimana pula dengan hubungan seks antara Judah-menantunya yg menjadi keturunan Jesus akhirnaya??Bagaimana pula dgn ZINA Lut dan anaknya??Apa pengajaran yg kita sama2 boleh ambil??

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 yg tu memang ada (perjanjian lama)tapi perjanjian baru yg membatalkan kesemua benda2 yg merepek tu

[faiziskandar786]

@uAzil14 PERJANJIAN BARU membatalkan?Siapa tu yg membatalkan?? Kamu? Jesus? Tuhan? @ Paulus @ Pope??

yang pasti bukan Jesus.'I not come to abolish the law of Moses(torah) or other prophet.I came to acccomplish it'-MATTHEW 5:17

[uAzil14]

@faiziskandar786 Matius 5:17 hanya merujuk kpd perintah sepuluh(tenth commandment ) yg dibuat oleh nabi MUSA (sahaja)...tak caya? ...rujuk ROMA 10:4- (Kristus sudah menyebabkan Taurat tidak berkuatkuasa lg),Galatia 2;16,Galatia 3:23- (sebelum adanya kepercayaan kpd kristus, Taurat menawan kita seperti org tawanan,sehinggalah iman itu dinyatakan) , Galatia 3:13 - (Kristus membebaskan kita dprd ajaran kitab taurat) ...semua ni dibuat oleh Yesus Kristus (Jesus Christ)

[daniellzz]

Jesus, he's the way, the truth and life...

[daniellzz]

It is projected that this year alone there will be 10,000 new churches all over Iran. Over 90% of the South American population is now christian and revival is breaking out around the globe especially in the global south. So my dear brother, the true message of the gospel will ome knocking at ur door soon....:)

[daniellzz]

Simililar record breaking patterns have also been recorded in china, south korea, india, indonesia, singapore, japan, taiwan and even the islamic nation in the middle east have been recording staggering growth rates.

[daniellzz]

Lemme combat ur facts with mine, according to north africa highest ulama broadcasted live on al jazeera, 6 million muslims leave islam every year in africa alone and in the beginning of the 19th century islam used to represent over 90% of the african population of today it has diminished to a pathetic 15% that is around 100-150 million while christianity which only had about 9 million christians in the beginning of century now has a strong 400 million.

[daniellzz]

btw, muslims seem to highlight every conversion to Islam to attrach publicity but in reality according to stats by the association of muslims, 80% of conversions to islam occur due to inter marriages and not because there's a massive growth. .

[daniellzz]

i feel sry for you....u dont know the trinity yet you call it illogical....well it seems that its my sole duty to explain it to you...the trinity is compable in the natural as an atom . An atom consist of the protons, neutrons and electrons and this is precisely how the trinity works..the father,the son and the holy spirit as 3 separate bodies but one in spirit...i shall be praying for you to accept the real truth for the end is near...

[sowhatsowhatsowhattt]

haha now u playing with the fact..

no matter how much u deny it

islam will grow always grow

go find anywhere on internet

youtube for example

out of 100, maybe 1 convert to christian,

search for ahmad deedat on youtube

face the fact

[MDIS]

Islam is a faith , religion and way of life that does not concern with your RACE , SKIN COLOR OR BACKGROUND.

Allah created us all the same. Humans.

No one can be better than the other unless he or she is pious towards Allah.

( Quranic Quote )

But modern muslims these days seem to have been so corrupted by stating that once you are a Malay / Arab - you are automatically a Muslim ?

I have seen many Arab Christians and Jews and their names and culture are still arabic.

Race is nothing

[pinkishmichelle]

RUBBISH

[koboi5]

my bro.!!

[zydarking]

maka hilanglah roh Lim Jooi Soon ke arus kegelapan...

[silenthunter07]

i'll do keep non muslim in peace as long as they are also doing good manner and have respect on Islam and Muslim brothers.

That is what Allah ask muslim to do.

[silenthunter07]

name can be used as long as it have a good mean.. not exactly the name must use arabic word only.

i'll protect every muslim no matter what their races are even with my own blood, as long as they keep their shahada.. insyaAllah..

Malay Brother.

[matiin54]

allahuakbar. muslims unite!

[diekaNr]

alhamdulillah..we all are brothers in peace..thank u for sharing this to open the truth.God Blessing u.

[nel122284]

Wow, I totally agree with him. As long as the name has good meaning then why not? I mean some people who have arab names dont even know the meaning of their names :| SOme even use nicnames. I mean what's the point of that?

[mrfarraj1]

alhamdullah for guiding him to the truth.