What does declaring Israel land of the Jews have to do with righteousness? Daniel 12:12, another prophet stoned, says blessed is he who comes to the 13 5 and 30. What is the 1335? Read John 13:35 then John 13:5, and quit repeating the thought process that destroyed the temple 1,940 years ago. You continue to judge after the flesh. Why? The first Adam must die and the second Adam will live. Our rituals are as a stink that comes up into the nostrils of G-D. Isaiah 66:3 makes it plain.
The other way, anyone can apply for Judaism, but we're not proselytes and the convert process is too difficult so in essence, Jews are the 12 tribes. All except Juda, Binyamin and Levi have been deported by Sancherib so these make 95% of the Jews.
Although, recently, small groups for all the tribes (Menashe in China, Dan in Ethiopia...) have been found, so that we can give them their part of the land.
@ACogloc lets see what God says. Most of those calling themselves Jews are not jews and have highjacked a religionIt can be proved that the people from lost 10 tribes are all over world and are muslim christian hindu etc
Good for you, but Jews don't believe in Jesus. The concept of Trinity is idolatry to us (Avoda Zara 13a, this chapter even quotes the Christian feasts from back in that time).
In my opinion, "Megillat Bush" was premature or ill-timed. The New Jewish Congress should have waited one more year and drafted a "Megillat Obama". I think they still should.
I believe GLC [God;s Learning Channel] helps with some funding of the temple, and asks for donations on their broadcasts. The rebuilding of the temple is in Bible Prophecy, and the plans to do so are in accordance with scripture.
Exactly where do Jews in Israel stand in regards to
Baron de Edmond Rothschild (1845-1934), House of France was called the "Father of Israel". He started the carving up Palestine to become the Jewish state of Israel?
Sure. It promotes peace by advocating the return of the land of Israel to its proper owners, the Jewish people. It promotes peace by not calling for anti-Arab genocide. it promotes peace by calling on the U.S. and Arabs to come together in agreement with G-d and His people. That's how.
1) r the Jews in exile: no. I would say that because we are free to make Aliyah (move back to Israel), even though most Jews CHOOSE not to do so, we are not in exile.
2)Is the "land of Israel" synonymous w/ "state of Israel". Emphatically NO. The current Israeli government is in direct contradiction to the will of the Jewish people and the Law itself
3) does the scroll contradict Amos 5? Don't see what you mean by that please clarify.
About the third question...I think Ezekiel 38 teaches us that Gog is the man who G-d brings against the land of Israel. And, I think Amos 5 teaches us that that day will not be a day Jews should desire to come. If I read these scriptures correctly, then why would any Jew want to declare who will be Gog (as mentioned in this scroll and Ezekiel 38)?
On the contrary the coming of Messiah is something we pray for daily. If you visit my channel you'll see a statement of faith up on the left; that's actually part of our morning prayers. The 12th point is "I firmly believe in the coming of Messiah; and though he may tarry, I daily wait for his coming." cont.
pt 2. And if you look at Amos 5 in context, it is speaking to sinners: vvs.25-27 paraphrased: Was it me you worshipped? No, you worshipped astral dieties, images you made for yourself; you sacrificed to idols in the dessert.
In other words, those who worship false gods should not also pray for the coming of the Messiah. His day will not be a happy one for them; they will be judged for their sins. Only those who worship Him sincerely and have pure hearts should pray for that day. :) Clear now?
Thanks gbjew! I wonder if the desire to bring the messianic age (rebuilding the temple) is similar to idolatry. It seems like so much precious time, blood, tears, and etc., are invested into manly efforts to bring the messianic age . . . when as a society, we could help bring healing and reconciliation to those who are suffering.
I wrote a post on that a little earlier in this thread; if you look through the recent comments you'll see it.
Honestly I didn't write the Megillat so I don't have too much to say about its content. :) And Rabbi Richman is a very busy man and doesn't answer my emails. Honestly I don't now whether Gog is a referrence to Bush, but I don't have a problem with hearing him called that.
Which I assume means you are against calling American President Bush such titles. To which I have to say: Who is the leader of the Coalition forces? Isn't Washington DC where all decisions of world import are made? So it is fair to call Bush the head of Russia; at least until such time as they refuse to hear him and go their own way. When they openly side w/Iran, who everyone knows they support, then call them Gog and Bush something else. But until then call Bush Gog.
gbjew, You calling me antisemetic is not gonna change a thing about what the scriptures said. So let's clear something up, maybe if I use the proper word Israel in place of Jew you'll get the bigger picture. While you may be an Ashkenazi Jew, However you are not the true Israelites of the Bible. That is what that scripture really meant. And for the record please don't place simple titles on me for saying what the scriptures truly Meant.
Excuse me? So what are you trying to say, that you are not anti-semetic? It's obvious that you are by your constant referral to your being a "spiritual Jew" and saying that we Jews are not "true Jews". You're wrong about what the scripture means: the trouble is you [Christians] try to follow G-d without a regard for His word the Torah, and have created a new religion with a different god. You no longer follow the G-d of Israel.
gbjew, you are the span of shatan. You live in the spiritual sodom and gomora. You know nothing about Yeshua. Yeshua followed the Torah and taught the Torah. He said that anyone who follows the Law and teaches others to do so will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. You fail to know that all of the early followers of Yeshua were "Jewish." It's a fact that most "Jews" today aren't bloodline Jews they are Khazarian. Most Jews in Israel today are secular Jews and not religious ones.
Hey you sound like my parents, calling me satan! I'm actually a convert to Judaism from Christianity, so I do in fact know a thing or two about Christianity. I've memorized most of the New Testament at some time or other. And I've said a lot here that I have little against that man, the problem I have is that he is misquoted and his words twisted to promote anti-semetism. I pointed out here too that he wasn't antisemetic and I know that.
gbjew, I don't have to discuss anything with you or nobody else. If you have a problem with that scripture, you need to discuss it with YAH. He's the author of the scriptures not me.
Tammy, I'm not saying you have to discuss anything with me. I'm just saying that if you're antisemetic please don't try to make your book appear that way, and ESPECIALLY not the Torah. I don't have a problem with the quote; I have a problem with your misuse of it. In context it has nothing to do with the Jewish people; the verse you quoted clearly says that-"which say they are Jews, and ARE NOT, but do lie" So don't use it in an anti-semetic fashion.
Seeing that Ashkanazi Jews were'nt Jews until the 7th century when they were converted in Khazar which is in modern day Turkey, your right about quoting that scripture. They are those who say they are Jews but are not. Nothing anti-semitic about that because they aren't Semites to begin with!!
Peace to all! I hope thre are some among you who know Hebrew...Here Bush is callad by a Hebrew title which I can't understand: "Prince of...,leader of the West" Prince of WHAT exactly? My thanks in advance to the one that will answer.
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Revelation 3:9
"BEHOLD, I WILL MAKE THEM OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, BUT DO LIE; BEHOLD, I WILL MAKE THEM TO COME WORSHIP BEFORE THY FEET, AND TO KNOW THAT I HAVE LOVED THEE."
Do your research. The KJV is strongly anti-semitic, King James directed it to be so. Where you are reading 'synagogue of satan' is the same root word as every other reference to 'church', 'fellowship', 'ekliesia'.. and only in Rev. is it translated as synagoge of satan. A decidedly anti-Christ rendering.
Those who rail against Israel as it is today, have no clue of the deep history and purpose of that country and people.
Tammy, if you're going to be blanketingly anti-semetic, please don't bother the rest of us with it. If you want to discuss any individual problems you have with Jews, please do so. If you will also bring to mind that the man who wrote this, and the man he claims to be quoting, were both Jewish.
If you MUST quote that passage, please note that in verse 16, in reference to CHRISTIANS, it reads: "I will spue thee out of my mouth." So the passage is both anti-semetic and anti-christian.
While he sitting up there reading all that, he need to read Revelation 2:9 "I Know your works and tribulation, and poverty (but thou art rich)and I KNOW THE BLASPHEMY OF THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND THEY ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN."
And then for further confirmation he NEED to read Revelation 3:9
DEAR George(Amalek)BUSH!!!! ..If you want to divide Yerushalayim and take it away from the children of Israel, who it rightfully belongs to....then give the USA back to the INDIANS!!! After all the USA belongs to them!!! or better yet doesn't Texas belong to the Mexicans??????
Did you see what I said about needing to have a blog site all our own? It would be so cool-Jew, Muslim, Christian all debating topics all day! Do you know anyone internet savvy who can set one up?
Oy G-tt! The only prophecy muhammed & islam ever fulfilled was Jeremiah 14:14 Then the Lord said, "These prophets are telling lies in My Name. I did not send them or tell them to speak. I did not give them any messages. They prophesy of visions and revelations they have never seen or heard. They speak foolishness made up in their own lying hearts."
As prophetic history, the Qur'an contains many errors and anachronisms an example:
The Qur'an has a Samaritan making the golden calf,(Ta Ha 20:85) during the Exodus. Lo! We have tried thy folk in thine absence, and the Samaritan hath misled them.
In fact it was Aaron (Exodus 32:35)And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made. The Samaritans did not exist until several centuries later! They were descendants of the northern tribes post-Exodus.
The Bible was written loooooooooooooooong before muhammed ever came on the scene! Does not your quran say: "And to you We have revealed the Book with the truth confirming what was revealed before it in the other Books, and standing as a guardian over it." According it Islam the Quran was to be the guardian of all the previously revealed Scripture. If the Bible was corrupted, then the Quran failed in its work. I ask then If the Bible was corrupted, when and where and how was it corrupted?
Was it corrupted before Muhammed's time or after? If it was before his time, then why did he not say so and why did he tell his people to read the Law and the Gospel? "But why do they come to you for judgment when they already have the Torah in which is allah's own judgment?" Surah 5:43
Let the followers of the Gospel judge in accordance with what allah has revealed therein. Evil doers are those who do not base their judgments on allah's revelations." Surah 5:47
Samaritans were the inhabitants of the region of Samaria, an area north of Judea and south of Galilee on the western shore of the Jordan River. The capital of this region was also originally called Samaria -- rebuilt and renamed "Sebaste", in honor of Augustus Caesar, by Herod the Great.
Remember how that little boy felt when he started reading the book in "The NeverEnding Story"... and he found out that he was IN THE BOOK? This is how I feel when I read Revelation in the Bible. We are LIVING out the days spoken of in that BOOK!!!
I did not say that! You said the name Muhammad is not in Bible. It is. Weather it refers to Muhammad or not, I do not know.
The Ismael great nation thing is the best. Muhammad is the only one who fulfill that. No one even attempted to do such a thing. It's clear. Laila tova, I'm going to sleep.
Furthermore, if we translate machmad consistently as "muhammad" in other Biblical verses, we get some interesting renderings. Consider the following: Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our Muhammad things are laid waste." (Isaiah 64:11)
"Son of Man, behold, I take away from thee the Muhammad of thine eyes with a stroke: yet neither shalt thou mourn nor weep, neither shall thy tears run down." (Ezekiel 24:16
More of machmad using an assertion of Muhammed: 'Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly Muhammad things: The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border." (Joel 3:5-6)
As you can see it makes no sense to use an adjective , machmad.. altogether lovely and say it means muhammed!
Chemdah is a female noun, Haggai 2:6-7 says literally "For this is what the Lord of Heaven's Armies says: In just a little while I will again shake the heavens and the earth, the oceans and the dry land. I will shake all the nations, and the treasures(chemdah.. desire) of all the nations will be brought to this Temple. I will fill this place with glory, says the Lord of Heaven's Armies.
It doesn't mention muhammed or a woman.. it's talking about the New Temple.
The JPS says this For thus saith the LORD of hosts: Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; 7 and I will shake all nations, and the choicest things of all nations shall come, and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
It's talking about the final messenger of Allah Muhammad. Muhammad is from the word hmd meaning praise/covet. When Muhammad had his journey to Jerusalem, Allah brought all the prophet and Muhammad lead the prayer. That is how the house was full. God is telling you li hakesef vi li hazahav (I own the money and the gold) so stop thing about the praise being gold. It is a religion and the temple was honored with Muhammad as the Imam (leader) of all prophets.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are One." Even the Jews knew Who Y'shua said He was!:
John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone Him, [32] but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?" [33] "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be G-d."
Another instance where this word is used in exactly the same way, it reads
"Neither shall he regard the G-d of his fathers, nor the desire (chemdah) of women, nor regard any g-d: for he shall magnify himself above all. (Daniel 11:37)
Haggai 2:7 has NOTHING to do with muhammed at all!!! -תא יתאלמו םיוגה-לכ תדמח ואבו םיוגה-לכ-תא יתשערהו
:תואבצ הוהי רמא דובכ הזה תיבה
Ve Hir Ash Ti Et-Kol-Ha Go Yim U Va U Khem Dat Kol-Ha Go Yim U Mi Le Ti Et-Ha Ba Yit Ha Ze Ka Vod A Mar Ye Ho Va Tse Va Ot: and I will shake all nations, and the choicest things of all nations shall come, and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
That is precicesly what I said! Ishmael, listen, I know we don't agree but for heaven's sake just stop the killing!
I mean, I don't mind too much when the Pakistanis start pulling knives on me, that's ok, we're not related anyways. They're just converts to Islam and they don't know better. But Palestinians and Saudis are family. Families shouldn't kill each other.
It's been fun. GTG-be back Monday. Have fun fighting this out. I'll join in when I can. Plano360, don't take it personally, Jews are notorious for their love of debate, hence the saying "In a room with 10 rabbis, ask any question and you'll get a dozen opinions." I'll debate you any day, just don't pull a knife on me like some of your unscrupulous cousins have.
All I said was that if you want to claim the "great nation" verse for Mohammed, you must contextualize it: "he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of his brethren" Gen 16:12, "And as for Ishmael...Behold, I (G-d) have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; 12 princes will he beget, AND I WILL MAKE HIM A GREAT NATION." Gen 17:20
but alas 'allah' is NOT G-d! the allah of the quran is NOT the YHWH of the Bible! If He were then He would be a schizophrenic! muhammed cleared the kaaba and made hubal the only 'allah'
Palestine is not mentioned in the Quran, it is mentioned in the Jewish Bible!
Ex. 21:31 And I will set thy bounds from the Red sea even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river: for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shalt drive them out before thee.
The Philistines were Greeks NOT Arabs!!! Apparently you haven't read the Bible either! Exodus 21:31 says: Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter, according to this judgment shall it be done unto him. You mean Exodus 23:31... philistine comes from the Hebrew word peleshet which means stranger!
The Philistines were not Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman "Palastina" derived from the Peleshet
"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not" -- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946
"Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?"~ Walid Shoebat, former PLO Terrorist
"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it." -- Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of G-d? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of G-d." 1st Corinthians 6:9-10
Abraham was a Hebrew,a desendant of Eber. The word Jew comes from Judah, because King David, the 1st king of a United Israel was from that Tribe. The terms Hebrew, Israelite and Jew are all synonoumous. There may be a Surah in al Qur'an entitled al Isra, but the city of Jerusalem isn't mentioned there-in. I have read from Surah 17:1-111 and Jerusalem isn't mentioned!
Sorry Ishmael, we built our first Temple there during the days of Solomon, son of David, fifteen generations from Yitzach Avinu (Isaac our father), the younger son of Avraham Avinu(Father Abraham).
Dear Pharaoh Bush, Stop offering the Arab world democracy! You are ignoring the factor that in the Muslim world democracy was never in existence. Even today, the 55 Muslim nations have never adapted to democracy. Wake up! All of Israel belongs to the children of Israel and not the children of Esaw!
The legacy of Bush will not be found in solving another nations differences, but rather in his unique ability to create heightened problems in other nations when none existed.
Just like America is grappling with how to care for it's indigenous, the Native Americans, so must Israel solve their problems.
Wow. Right on. This is a message that will leave you breathless. Pay attention, America. And for G-d's sake, President Bush, *hear* this. (Brian Schrauger)
Ezekiel 38 ! AMEN ! Build it !
raw5069 10 months ago
This guy thinks his magic book is a real estate contract.
My god is better. Yours sucks.
Hey honey get me another glass of Palestinian blood, my throat is parched from preaching about my magic fairy tale book.
gimmebullion 1 year ago
What does declaring Israel land of the Jews have to do with righteousness? Daniel 12:12, another prophet stoned, says blessed is he who comes to the 13 5 and 30. What is the 1335? Read John 13:35 then John 13:5, and quit repeating the thought process that destroyed the temple 1,940 years ago. You continue to judge after the flesh. Why? The first Adam must die and the second Adam will live. Our rituals are as a stink that comes up into the nostrils of G-D. Isaiah 66:3 makes it plain.
LambAndTheDragon 1 year ago
You cannot be a jew unless you are from the tribe of Judah.that means almost 95% of all people claiming to be jews are NOT jews.
gfbish 2 years ago
@gfbish
The other way, anyone can apply for Judaism, but we're not proselytes and the convert process is too difficult so in essence, Jews are the 12 tribes. All except Juda, Binyamin and Levi have been deported by Sancherib so these make 95% of the Jews.
Although, recently, small groups for all the tribes (Menashe in China, Dan in Ethiopia...) have been found, so that we can give them their part of the land.
ACogloc 1 year ago
@ACogloc lets see what God says. Most of those calling themselves Jews are not jews and have highjacked a religionIt can be proved that the people from lost 10 tribes are all over world and are muslim christian hindu etc
gfbish 1 year ago
Just looking at you is utterly disgusting. How sick and genetically cursed you are.
TruthHurtzAllDaTime 2 years ago
@TruthHurtzAllDaTime
Hide the beard and you'll recognize any average American, try it.
ACogloc 1 year ago
i am sure i read in the bible that the promise of kingdom was taken from the jews and given onto another that would bring forth the fruit.
not only that but the disciples of jesus where promise to set on 12 throne and rule over the land of isreal when jesus returns.
walkinwardrobedesign 2 years ago
@walkinwardrobedesign
Good for you, but Jews don't believe in Jesus. The concept of Trinity is idolatry to us (Avoda Zara 13a, this chapter even quotes the Christian feasts from back in that time).
ACogloc 1 year ago
In my opinion, "Megillat Bush" was premature or ill-timed. The New Jewish Congress should have waited one more year and drafted a "Megillat Obama". I think they still should.
abuzinnar 2 years ago
I believe GLC [God;s Learning Channel] helps with some funding of the temple, and asks for donations on their broadcasts. The rebuilding of the temple is in Bible Prophecy, and the plans to do so are in accordance with scripture.
emmylousings 2 years ago
There is not more holly land.You all jews muslims and cristians are a discreise to god.
ernaad 3 years ago
fucking jewes you all act macho agains the palestinians and you were pusys agains the nazis
ernaad 3 years ago
this weird, the speaker thinks he will read it when he should know bush doesn't even rea newspapers
billclymer 3 years ago
That son of bitch Pollard has got to rot. My brother is fighting in Iraq to defend you.
chewbaca1989 3 years ago
I wonder if Benjamin Netanyahu has enough courage to rebuild the Temple.
2worldsatwar 3 years ago
you are just supporting Holocast and Nazi, by doing violent act towards Palestinians.
abm03013 3 years ago
Exactly, the abomination of desolation in regards to the rebuilding of the temple.
Byizzle77 3 years ago
"Holy Land"?
More like holy sheet.
Slavestorms 3 years ago
Exactly where do Jews in Israel stand in regards to
Baron de Edmond Rothschild (1845-1934), House of France was called the "Father of Israel". He started the carving up Palestine to become the Jewish state of Israel?
Do you embrace the 3 Edmonds or denounce them?
pork4allah 3 years ago
Oh boy...
nanquan491 3 years ago
Can someone please explain to me how this scroll promotes PEACE?
JennyBray 3 years ago
Sure. It promotes peace by advocating the return of the land of Israel to its proper owners, the Jewish people. It promotes peace by not calling for anti-Arab genocide. it promotes peace by calling on the U.S. and Arabs to come together in agreement with G-d and His people. That's how.
gbjew 3 years ago
Are the Jews in exile?
Is the "land of Israel" synonymous with the "state of Israel?"
Does Amos 5:18-24 warn about ideas contained in this scroll?
JennyBray 3 years ago
ok 1 by 1.
1) r the Jews in exile: no. I would say that because we are free to make Aliyah (move back to Israel), even though most Jews CHOOSE not to do so, we are not in exile.
2)Is the "land of Israel" synonymous w/ "state of Israel". Emphatically NO. The current Israeli government is in direct contradiction to the will of the Jewish people and the Law itself
3) does the scroll contradict Amos 5? Don't see what you mean by that please clarify.
gbjew 3 years ago
Thank you for explaining my first two questions.
About the third question...I think Ezekiel 38 teaches us that Gog is the man who G-d brings against the land of Israel. And, I think Amos 5 teaches us that that day will not be a day Jews should desire to come. If I read these scriptures correctly, then why would any Jew want to declare who will be Gog (as mentioned in this scroll and Ezekiel 38)?
JennyBray 3 years ago
On the contrary the coming of Messiah is something we pray for daily. If you visit my channel you'll see a statement of faith up on the left; that's actually part of our morning prayers. The 12th point is "I firmly believe in the coming of Messiah; and though he may tarry, I daily wait for his coming." cont.
gbjew 3 years ago
pt 2. And if you look at Amos 5 in context, it is speaking to sinners: vvs.25-27 paraphrased: Was it me you worshipped? No, you worshipped astral dieties, images you made for yourself; you sacrificed to idols in the dessert.
In other words, those who worship false gods should not also pray for the coming of the Messiah. His day will not be a happy one for them; they will be judged for their sins. Only those who worship Him sincerely and have pure hearts should pray for that day. :) Clear now?
gbjew 3 years ago
Thanks gbjew! I wonder if the desire to bring the messianic age (rebuilding the temple) is similar to idolatry. It seems like so much precious time, blood, tears, and etc., are invested into manly efforts to bring the messianic age . . . when as a society, we could help bring healing and reconciliation to those who are suffering.
JennyBray 3 years ago
Thank you for being so polite!
And yes, sadly, some do turn it into a form of idolatry.
But in its purist, the desire to rebuild the Temple comes from a desire to fulfill G-d's law and see the fulfillment of His prophet's words.
Rabbi Richman (the man in this video) has a great article on this subject, available at:
templeinstitute . org/messiah_temple . htm
Sorry I had to put space between the dots because it doesn't let you post links.
gbjew 3 years ago
Okay, I think I understand the ideals in the article you mention.
Do you think naming Bush as Gog is in accordance to G-d's law?
JennyBray 3 years ago
I wrote a post on that a little earlier in this thread; if you look through the recent comments you'll see it.
Honestly I didn't write the Megillat so I don't have too much to say about its content. :) And Rabbi Richman is a very busy man and doesn't answer my emails. Honestly I don't now whether Gog is a referrence to Bush, but I don't have a problem with hearing him called that.
gbjew 3 years ago
Gog and Magog is Russia --- americaslastdays dot com
lightningrod2012 3 years ago
Which I assume means you are against calling American President Bush such titles. To which I have to say: Who is the leader of the Coalition forces? Isn't Washington DC where all decisions of world import are made? So it is fair to call Bush the head of Russia; at least until such time as they refuse to hear him and go their own way. When they openly side w/Iran, who everyone knows they support, then call them Gog and Bush something else. But until then call Bush Gog.
gbjew 3 years ago
gbjew, You calling me antisemetic is not gonna change a thing about what the scriptures said. So let's clear something up, maybe if I use the proper word Israel in place of Jew you'll get the bigger picture. While you may be an Ashkenazi Jew, However you are not the true Israelites of the Bible. That is what that scripture really meant. And for the record please don't place simple titles on me for saying what the scriptures truly Meant.
TammyHud 3 years ago
Excuse me? So what are you trying to say, that you are not anti-semetic? It's obvious that you are by your constant referral to your being a "spiritual Jew" and saying that we Jews are not "true Jews". You're wrong about what the scripture means: the trouble is you [Christians] try to follow G-d without a regard for His word the Torah, and have created a new religion with a different god. You no longer follow the G-d of Israel.
And I'm not Ashkenazi.
gbjew 3 years ago
Not that I have anything against Ashkenazis, BTW. :)
gbjew 3 years ago
gbjew, you are the span of shatan. You live in the spiritual sodom and gomora. You know nothing about Yeshua. Yeshua followed the Torah and taught the Torah. He said that anyone who follows the Law and teaches others to do so will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. You fail to know that all of the early followers of Yeshua were "Jewish." It's a fact that most "Jews" today aren't bloodline Jews they are Khazarian. Most Jews in Israel today are secular Jews and not religious ones.
bdc03 3 years ago
Hey you sound like my parents, calling me satan! I'm actually a convert to Judaism from Christianity, so I do in fact know a thing or two about Christianity. I've memorized most of the New Testament at some time or other. And I've said a lot here that I have little against that man, the problem I have is that he is misquoted and his words twisted to promote anti-semetism. I pointed out here too that he wasn't antisemetic and I know that.
gbjew 3 years ago
gbjew, I don't have to discuss anything with you or nobody else. If you have a problem with that scripture, you need to discuss it with YAH. He's the author of the scriptures not me.
TammyHud 3 years ago
Tammy, I'm not saying you have to discuss anything with me. I'm just saying that if you're antisemetic please don't try to make your book appear that way, and ESPECIALLY not the Torah. I don't have a problem with the quote; I have a problem with your misuse of it. In context it has nothing to do with the Jewish people; the verse you quoted clearly says that-"which say they are Jews, and ARE NOT, but do lie" So don't use it in an anti-semetic fashion.
gbjew 3 years ago
Seeing that Ashkanazi Jews were'nt Jews until the 7th century when they were converted in Khazar which is in modern day Turkey, your right about quoting that scripture. They are those who say they are Jews but are not. Nothing anti-semitic about that because they aren't Semites to begin with!!
smw73 3 years ago
Nice input, smw73.
gbjew 3 years ago
Children of SATAN...nice!
Boycott Israel!
hanassi 3 years ago
Peace to all! I hope thre are some among you who know Hebrew...Here Bush is callad by a Hebrew title which I can't understand: "Prince of...,leader of the West" Prince of WHAT exactly? My thanks in advance to the one that will answer.
Ethylion 4 years ago
"Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal" Ezekiel 38:1
gbjew 3 years ago
Bush is a Freemason and they are evil.
2praise 4 years ago
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Revelation 3:9
"BEHOLD, I WILL MAKE THEM OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, BUT DO LIE; BEHOLD, I WILL MAKE THEM TO COME WORSHIP BEFORE THY FEET, AND TO KNOW THAT I HAVE LOVED THEE."
TammyHud 4 years ago
Do your research. The KJV is strongly anti-semitic, King James directed it to be so. Where you are reading 'synagogue of satan' is the same root word as every other reference to 'church', 'fellowship', 'ekliesia'.. and only in Rev. is it translated as synagoge of satan. A decidedly anti-Christ rendering.
Those who rail against Israel as it is today, have no clue of the deep history and purpose of that country and people.
Petraglyph777 4 years ago
Tammy, if you're going to be blanketingly anti-semetic, please don't bother the rest of us with it. If you want to discuss any individual problems you have with Jews, please do so. If you will also bring to mind that the man who wrote this, and the man he claims to be quoting, were both Jewish.
If you MUST quote that passage, please note that in verse 16, in reference to CHRISTIANS, it reads: "I will spue thee out of my mouth." So the passage is both anti-semetic and anti-christian.
gbjew 3 years ago
While he sitting up there reading all that, he need to read Revelation 2:9 "I Know your works and tribulation, and poverty (but thou art rich)and I KNOW THE BLASPHEMY OF THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND THEY ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN."
And then for further confirmation he NEED to read Revelation 3:9
TammyHud 4 years ago
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jews do not belong in ysrayl, they are strangers and imposters.
honestyntruth 4 years ago
DEAR George(Amalek)BUSH!!!! ..If you want to divide Yerushalayim and take it away from the children of Israel, who it rightfully belongs to....then give the USA back to the INDIANS!!! After all the USA belongs to them!!! or better yet doesn't Texas belong to the Mexicans??????
Heenaynee 4 years ago 2
Did you see what I said about needing to have a blog site all our own? It would be so cool-Jew, Muslim, Christian all debating topics all day! Do you know anyone internet savvy who can set one up?
gbjew 4 years ago
hmmm no I didn't see that but yes we do need that! Sounds very interesting I'll ask some of my friemds who live eat and breathe internet ;)
shmuely 4 years ago
Shmuely, we're discussing Bereshith 16-17. Plano says that "great nation" means "great religion" and Mohammed is the fulfillment of that prophecy.
gbjew 4 years ago
Oy G-tt! The only prophecy muhammed & islam ever fulfilled was Jeremiah 14:14 Then the Lord said, "These prophets are telling lies in My Name. I did not send them or tell them to speak. I did not give them any messages. They prophesy of visions and revelations they have never seen or heard. They speak foolishness made up in their own lying hearts."
shmuely 4 years ago
ohh alright you wanted an immoral statement not a Bible says this and quran says this... give me a few........
shmuely 4 years ago
As prophetic history, the Qur'an contains many errors and anachronisms an example:
The Qur'an has a Samaritan making the golden calf,(Ta Ha 20:85) during the Exodus. Lo! We have tried thy folk in thine absence, and the Samaritan hath misled them.
In fact it was Aaron (Exodus 32:35)And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made. The Samaritans did not exist until several centuries later! They were descendants of the northern tribes post-Exodus.
shmuely 4 years ago
You are a liar. Aaron (pbuh) is a Prophet of Allah and Prophets WILL NEVER do such as thing.
Your book is filthy filled with horrible accounts of incest and disgusting things against the prophets of Allah.
plano360 4 years ago
The Bible was written loooooooooooooooong before muhammed ever came on the scene! Does not your quran say: "And to you We have revealed the Book with the truth confirming what was revealed before it in the other Books, and standing as a guardian over it." According it Islam the Quran was to be the guardian of all the previously revealed Scripture. If the Bible was corrupted, then the Quran failed in its work. I ask then If the Bible was corrupted, when and where and how was it corrupted?
shmuely 4 years ago
Was it corrupted before Muhammed's time or after? If it was before his time, then why did he not say so and why did he tell his people to read the Law and the Gospel? "But why do they come to you for judgment when they already have the Torah in which is allah's own judgment?" Surah 5:43
Let the followers of the Gospel judge in accordance with what allah has revealed therein. Evil doers are those who do not base their judgments on allah's revelations." Surah 5:47
shmuely 4 years ago
Can you show me the original scrolls of the Torah?
I'm no expert on this, but my understanding is that the Torah we have right now was translated from Greek. Is this correct?
Do not say, Quran says this or that. Give me a Surah/Ayah.
plano360 4 years ago
You assumptions are incorrect. They are not related.
plano360 4 years ago
Do me a favor and google samaritan quran
and click I'm lucky.
plano360 4 years ago
Samaritans were the inhabitants of the region of Samaria, an area north of Judea and south of Galilee on the western shore of the Jordan River. The capital of this region was also originally called Samaria -- rebuilt and renamed "Sebaste", in honor of Augustus Caesar, by Herod the Great.
shmuely 4 years ago
Read the article I told you about. It explains the errors.
plano360 4 years ago
Remember how that little boy felt when he started reading the book in "The NeverEnding Story"... and he found out that he was IN THE BOOK? This is how I feel when I read Revelation in the Bible. We are LIVING out the days spoken of in that BOOK!!!
CrossVision 4 years ago 2
I did not say that! You said the name Muhammad is not in Bible. It is. Weather it refers to Muhammad or not, I do not know.
The Ismael great nation thing is the best. Muhammad is the only one who fulfill that. No one even attempted to do such a thing. It's clear. Laila tova, I'm going to sleep.
plano360 4 years ago
You believe it refers to your prophet to give your system of beliefs credit when in fact compared to the Holy Bible your qurans hold no merit
shmuely 4 years ago
Furthermore, if we translate machmad consistently as "muhammad" in other Biblical verses, we get some interesting renderings. Consider the following: Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our Muhammad things are laid waste." (Isaiah 64:11)
"Son of Man, behold, I take away from thee the Muhammad of thine eyes with a stroke: yet neither shalt thou mourn nor weep, neither shall thy tears run down." (Ezekiel 24:16
shmuely 4 years ago
More of machmad using an assertion of Muhammed: 'Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly Muhammad things: The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border." (Joel 3:5-6)
As you can see it makes no sense to use an adjective , machmad.. altogether lovely and say it means muhammed!
shmuely 4 years ago
Ani lo medaber ivrit.
Who is this "female" mentioned in the prophecy?
plano360 4 years ago
Chemdah is a female noun, Haggai 2:6-7 says literally "For this is what the Lord of Heaven's Armies says: In just a little while I will again shake the heavens and the earth, the oceans and the dry land. I will shake all the nations, and the treasures(chemdah.. desire) of all the nations will be brought to this Temple. I will fill this place with glory, says the Lord of Heaven's Armies.
It doesn't mention muhammed or a woman.. it's talking about the New Temple.
shmuely 4 years ago
--No it does not! It says "will come" not "will be brought"!
-- What is the treasure of all nation? It is not the Temple because you say "will be brought to this Temple."
Answer the two questions.
todah.
plano360 4 years ago
The JPS says this For thus saith the LORD of hosts: Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; 7 and I will shake all nations, and the choicest things of all nations shall come, and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
shmuely 4 years ago
It's certainly no reference to muhammed. It's saying that the gentile nations will pay tribute to the LORD.
shmuely 4 years ago
By the way are you an Ivrit Maven now?
ז וְהִרְעַשְׁתִּי, אֶת-כָּל-הַגּוֹיִם, וּבָאוּ, חֶמְדַּת כָּל-הַגּוֹיִם; וּמִלֵּאתִי אֶת-הַבַּיִת הַזֶּה, כָּבוֹד--אָמַר, יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת.
shmuely 4 years ago
It's talking about the final messenger of Allah Muhammad. Muhammad is from the word hmd meaning praise/covet. When Muhammad had his journey to Jerusalem, Allah brought all the prophet and Muhammad lead the prayer. That is how the house was full. God is telling you li hakesef vi li hazahav (I own the money and the gold) so stop thing about the praise being gold. It is a religion and the temple was honored with Muhammad as the Imam (leader) of all prophets.
plano360 4 years ago
write now I'm watching
Misquoting Jesus, Stanford Lecture, How Bible Tainted 3/10
interesting shit.
plano360 4 years ago
try to be impartial and ignore for once that Muhammad was Arab.
Your dream is to have a kingdom to glorify the Creator from the Nile to euphrt.
Look at how much the Arabs accomplished in so short time.
Now, imagine Muhammad was a Jew.
plano360 4 years ago
John 10:30 "I and the Father are One." Even the Jews knew Who Y'shua said He was!:
John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone Him, [32] but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?" [33] "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be G-d."
shmuely 4 years ago
Another instance where this word is used in exactly the same way, it reads
"Neither shall he regard the G-d of his fathers, nor the desire (chemdah) of women, nor regard any g-d: for he shall magnify himself above all. (Daniel 11:37)
shmuely 4 years ago
Haggai 2:7 has NOTHING to do with muhammed at all!!! -תא יתאלמו םיוגה-לכ תדמח ואבו םיוגה-לכ-תא יתשערהו
:תואבצ הוהי רמא דובכ הזה תיבה
Ve Hir Ash Ti Et-Kol-Ha Go Yim U Va U Khem Dat Kol-Ha Go Yim U Mi Le Ti Et-Ha Ba Yit Ha Ze Ka Vod A Mar Ye Ho Va Tse Va Ot: and I will shake all nations, and the choicest things of all nations shall come, and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
shmuely 4 years ago
You are my cousin, just do not pull Apaches on us!
plano360 4 years ago
That is precicesly what I said! Ishmael, listen, I know we don't agree but for heaven's sake just stop the killing!
I mean, I don't mind too much when the Pakistanis start pulling knives on me, that's ok, we're not related anyways. They're just converts to Islam and they don't know better. But Palestinians and Saudis are family. Families shouldn't kill each other.
gbjew 4 years ago
Nevertheless, if this verse refers to Mohammad as you claim, HE WAS A WILD MAN!! LOL
gbjew 4 years ago
It's been fun. GTG-be back Monday. Have fun fighting this out. I'll join in when I can. Plano360, don't take it personally, Jews are notorious for their love of debate, hence the saying "In a room with 10 rabbis, ask any question and you'll get a dozen opinions." I'll debate you any day, just don't pull a knife on me like some of your unscrupulous cousins have.
gbjew 4 years ago
racist. God said he make him *great nation* God is about religion and great IS our Ummah!
1.6 Billions and counting who ONLY worship the Creator, the God who delivered Israel from Egypt.
Next week we fast Thursday and Friday (9th and 10th) commemorating that HOLLY DAY!
You, jews, fu&%ed up your calendar and moved it from pure Lunar for harvest (money)!!!
plano360 4 years ago
All I said was that if you want to claim the "great nation" verse for Mohammed, you must contextualize it: "he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of his brethren" Gen 16:12, "And as for Ishmael...Behold, I (G-d) have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; 12 princes will he beget, AND I WILL MAKE HIM A GREAT NATION." Gen 17:20
gbjew 4 years ago
but alas 'allah' is NOT G-d! the allah of the quran is NOT the YHWH of the Bible! If He were then He would be a schizophrenic! muhammed cleared the kaaba and made hubal the only 'allah'
shmuely 4 years ago
We do not call it Palestine, but Phalesteen
Palestine is not mentioned in the Quran, it is mentioned in the Jewish Bible!
Ex. 21:31 And I will set thy bounds from the Red sea even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river: for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shalt drive them out before thee.
plano360 4 years ago
The Philistines were Greeks NOT Arabs!!! Apparently you haven't read the Bible either! Exodus 21:31 says: Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter, according to this judgment shall it be done unto him. You mean Exodus 23:31... philistine comes from the Hebrew word peleshet which means stranger!
shmuely 4 years ago
The Philistines were not Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman "Palastina" derived from the Peleshet
shmuely 4 years ago
"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not" -- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946
"Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?"~ Walid Shoebat, former PLO Terrorist
shmuely 4 years ago
"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it." -- Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937
shmuely 4 years ago
It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." -- Ahmed Shukairy, United Nations Security Council, 1956,
shmuely 4 years ago
Am Yisrael Mote!
plano360 4 years ago
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"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of G-d? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of G-d." 1st Corinthians 6:9-10
shmuely 4 years ago
Abraham was a Hebrew,a desendant of Eber. The word Jew comes from Judah, because King David, the 1st king of a United Israel was from that Tribe. The terms Hebrew, Israelite and Jew are all synonoumous. There may be a Surah in al Qur'an entitled al Isra, but the city of Jerusalem isn't mentioned there-in. I have read from Surah 17:1-111 and Jerusalem isn't mentioned!
shmuely 4 years ago
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We, Moslems, built the Temple of the Creator 1,400 years ago!!!
Get over it.
plano360 4 years ago
Sorry Ishmael, we built our first Temple there during the days of Solomon, son of David, fifteen generations from Yitzach Avinu (Isaac our father), the younger son of Avraham Avinu(Father Abraham).
Our Temple was there first.
Get over it.
gbjew 4 years ago 2
probably another false flag operation in the making -with this first time visit -as prez
PatrickSOneal 4 years ago
Dear Pharaoh Bush, Stop offering the Arab world democracy! You are ignoring the factor that in the Muslim world democracy was never in existence. Even today, the 55 Muslim nations have never adapted to democracy. Wake up! All of Israel belongs to the children of Israel and not the children of Esaw!
Heenaynee 4 years ago
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The legacy of Bush will not be found in solving another nations differences, but rather in his unique ability to create heightened problems in other nations when none existed.
Just like America is grappling with how to care for it's indigenous, the Native Americans, so must Israel solve their problems.
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maxx1000 4 years ago
Wow. Right on. This is a message that will leave you breathless. Pay attention, America. And for G-d's sake, President Bush, *hear* this. (Brian Schrauger)
WounddHrt 4 years ago 2