Dave Fuentes is still a doper?? Chad Gerlach is still a doper of the worst kind, Tyler Hamilton is the dumbest doper ever! and Lance, well his is coming
dopers should be banned from any sport for life, if you get caught in cycling you should be banned from eversports... that should teach them a lesson...
about doping: you should read some books written by cyclist, i just finished the book he wrote "positevly false" and I'm pretty impressed about how the whole system works. and I am sure there have to be changes in the Anti Doping Agencys...
people tend to forget that this is a man who has always faced depression. I cannot imagine what kind of demons lay with him at night and prey on his self view. Combine that with the huge pressure to win and I can see why he did it. I'm not supporting doping, I'm just saying in this case I can see the psychological motive
Tambien practico el ciclismo y admiro mucho a Tyler hamilton , sea o no dopado , es una gran persona como ejemplo..carajo quisiera ser como èl...hola kzarifeh muy buen video de mi estrella fAVORITA...SALUDOS
I just can't seem to get this stage win off my mind. It was a long solo, in a mountain stage. He had injured himself earlier in the Tour. Okay, he used the dope, but everyone used it in the 90s. Respect to Tyler Hamilton!
Everyone was doped in those times including Lance Armstrong. Nevertheles if everyone was doped, it still is an outstanding performance that Tyler showed. God bless the man and make him come back.
there is no evidence to support the accusation of Armstrong having doped. He has been tested by the best anti-doping labs in Europe and the USA and he has always ben ruled clean.
no, there is a bunch of speculation and relationships that would lead one to believe its a possibility. but there is no hard evidence. the same evidence they have on Armstrong is the same evidence they have on every single cyclist.
this guy is the man. heart of the lion. too bad people will think he is still doping because he tested positive for DHEA recently, which is a drug used more as an anti-depressant than a performance enhancing drug. In fact it is debatably if it is even performance enhancing at all. Tyler Hamilton is the man. Hopefully he will deal with his depression safely.
Tyler had a great career. It's sad it ended the way it did. Hopefully he can get the help he needs, and some day owning up to the dark times in his past will help with that. I don't think anyone will think any less of him. He doped during a time pretty much everyone doped and no one talked about it. Let's stop pretending it wasn't so, like Tyler, Basso, Heras, etc. were the only ones.
I am commiserate about this positive test (I think it´s no doping, he used it against his depressions) and the end of his great career. I will never forget this victory on stage 16 and his amazing fourth place in the overall plus his second place in the giro 2002 with a fractured shoulder. Thanks for memorable moments!
great video! The tour 2003 was simply the best! So exciting and close! Loved Tyler, especially on this stage where we rode so encouraging!. Would love to see him racing again!!!
Thanks for commenting "Nothingeverything1" but last I checked this was my page and I can comment about what I like :) If you look at my posts they are not filled with hate or anything like that. I can't speak for MJ, but it's because I love cycling so much that I dream of the sport cleaning up their act.
It's people like you who blindly put your head in the sand that makes the problem continue. As far as I am concerned MJ is one of the few ppl related to cycling who tell it like it is!!!!!
man u haters... stop talking about doping on this awesome hamilton mix, he is a warrior, a hero, no metter doping yes or no. u have to understand that.
No one is going to "clean up" cycling or any other sport.
Superficiality is the only thing that matters. WADA is here to make Lance and other fake sports (all pro sports, and gov. funded olympics too) MORE marketable to corporations and publishers.
Recreational drugs? Drunk driving? Prostitutes? Mass systematic doping? Thats called living "grand!"
Whistleblower are too easily discredited as bitter and jelous. (LeMond, Swart, Prentice Steffen, Decanio, O'Reilly, Andreu, etc.)
All god points, and yes I agree with you on the whistle blower thingy... So where does that leave us? Surely not giving up on the sport and turning to rally cars? ;)
The public needs to demand power-profile monitoring on a few of the top riders from a government source where the data is not tampered with. Total body hemoglobin testing is another thing people need to push for if they want a clean Cycling. Drug testing and hematocrit testing alone CANNOT be expected to control blood doping.
The only thing that can help the sport is negative publicity really. An alcoholic sometimes needs some bad experiences before they commit, or to keep comitting.
MJ - are you watching the Tour of California? Not sure if you live that way...
Am amazed how much you know about all this drug stuff. How would LA get away with that, would his team be openly doing stuff, or all private ? I've never worked out how it's done say with the CSC of old, is it common and in public and everyone just shuts up, or do people find their own ways to dope?
"Lance and the leaders" are all autologous blood doping. I think Mancebo caught the whole Astana off gaurd which is just funny. I'm rooting the square head Mancebo to beat Levi and Lance! He needs to make sure he gets big refills for the hard stages to get his hematocrit all the way up. Common Franscisco you can do it! He finished top 5 in the TDF once, cant remember what year it was?
So are you telling me you are going for Mancebo even though you say he is doped too? How does that work?
Or is it that he is "less doped" than the others? ;)
How come you know this and they still can't catch them, does Astana have an organised systematic thing of doping, ie do his teammates know lance dopes or does he do it in private? Seeing as you know all, thought you might have insight on this too.
I hate Lance and Tyler& Floyd because their so full of shit! And Both Floyd and Tyler took a lotta money from their supporters...
What about Jörg Jaschke? He told the truth and didnt use all his fans by steeling their money!
I hate Garmin for lying too. They have EVERYBODY convinced that their clean which is total BS. You dont get a 2nd and 9th in the prologue when the 38th place guy is averaging 530 watts and is 3.4 seconds per K slower!
Journalists are easily passed as tabloid trash: (Walsh, Kimmage.) Dropped lawsuits are easy victories as long as the opposing party is paid to keep their mouths shut.
Silly blood doped cycling is 100% here to stay, if Former NFL player Bob Buczkowski can run a prostitution ring, if Michael Vick can run dog fighting rings and OJ Simpson can murder a couple people and get off, why cant the MN Vikings do androgenic steroids and flush them out with diaretics?
THats a silly little infraction!? Why cant XC skiing have their Nordic tradition of blood refills and plasma expanders so they can sleep around with a hematocrit of 60? (AS LONG as transfusion equipment is not left in hotel rooms for maids.) The Finnish invented blood doping after all in the 1970s!
"There is no commitment to stopping the drug problem. People know the sport is dirty, the sport is so driven by records."
-Carl Lewis
When Dr. Wade Exum was fired he decided to reveal all the positive tests from the USOC that were supposed to be burned, over 30,000 pages of documents. The US government funded USOC execs now run USADA.
The illegal doping and death in here to stay--as are the empty denials.
I'll regurgitate what someone else said on Nolf: There are very few causes of death to choose from in a 18-25 year old heart attack.
This person either died of Wolf-Parkinson-White Syndrome( which kills a few young people) or he was doing heavy recreational drugs the night before (cocaine.) Cocaine doesnt sit well with athletes.
Boonen is not really an isolated case though. Recreational drug use is widespread in Pro athlete's and VERY MUCH accepted by the general public that worships them. Many believe illegal drugs belong in society, especially fans of an athlete that has been caught. I know you read David Walsh's chapter on the Confidis team and their drug use, running butt naked through the halls in hotels, etc.
MANY, maybe, but not me. Some of your comments are good, but a little too general. For every party boy you talk about above there is probably a handful of other guys not taking recreational drugs.
who is actually accepting this? I certainly don't? But what can I do about it? Not washing my hands of it, but I wish someone would give direction on how we can act. It's like a never ending cycle. how many more death will occur before someone does something?
The last option is that he took a blood-refill the night before, or didnt "take out" his extra blood from the previous stage and went to sleep with a 60+ hematocrit. I doubt the team he's on is the calibre of team that has the know-how to blood dope and beat the hematocrit controls but you never know. I would think they would use EPO to get to the 50% limit and thats it. But you never know.
The U23 racing in Europe has been extremely dirty. Read, "Matt's story" on my favorites.
MJ - where you at? I want to know your thoughts on the latest death in pro cycling? That belgian guy who died in Qatar... Obviously it's so tragic, but how on earth are the fittest guys on the planet all dying of "heart attacks"
Please enlighten us, what drugs are doing this? Obviously it's that blood boosting stuff they are messing around with, any ideas on specifics???
He will use allosteric effectors of haemoglobin to help O2 transportation.
-RSR13
-Perfluorodecalin (C10F18) PFC particles are about 1/40 the size of the diameter of a red blood cell. This small size can enable PFC particles to traverse capillaries through which no RBCs are flowing.
This stuff is all on Wikipedia fro crying out loud.... I could catch lance... Is the media and the whole world high....smoking pot?!
All he has to do is somehow drain out the PFC's after a big stage or race is over with. Either that or use something else not tested for that transports oxygen in the blood.
Recovery drugs like IGF-1 and HGH dont improve VO2 max or sustainable power drastically. Its the 'blood refills' that will make it become evident. Lance has increase his sustainable Oxygen consumtion by about 35% in the past with the "fresh blood."
Lance has use exemptions for cortisone and Testosterone. So He will jack his beta hCG levels through the roof and then hide it somehow using Ferrari's techniques. He drinks a lot of coffee too. ALL this information is publically available.
I just have to say I dont like Hamilton the slightest because of his fraud he pushed on his fans.... He was too much of a pussy to admit he doped with his own frozen Red Blood Cells and ended up using blood from a dirty centrifuge perhaps used by a teamate.
This diabolical crap needs to come to an end at some point....
Lance Or Basso will win the Giro/Tour and they will "accomplish" this with blood doping. Lance will lie about his power data during the races and how strong he really is.... You can tell when lance has taken a 'blood refill' because he will show up late to the stage. Afterwards its into the camper van to drain the extra blood out and then go to testing IF he even is called to testing.
I think Vande Velde was above whats humanly possible as far as watts/kilo goes. Certainly he has doped in the past with Postal.
What the blood testing does is keep riders from having a heamatocrit above 50% for testing. So they dope with their own frozen Red Blood cells which can also be kept frozen when buffered with glycerol, but this is an expensive and time consuming process and is rarely done.
Frozen red cells are stored at -80C and have an last a make-believe shelf life of 10 bloody years but perhaps longer. By transfusing after morning tests, they can get heamatorcrit to about 55% even if the morning tests are 30 minutes before the start... So 3-5 units of blood.
They will use OR techniques to rapidly speed along the transfusion process before the start of the race....
I dont think Garmin is racing dirty but they very well could be... They have no checks and balances at all in that team, its like a wolf garding the henhouse as Greg LeMond would say...
To LeMond, its criminal for riders to be forced into this. Certainly the drugs and techniques themselves ARE illegal.
Kalyle Leogrande of Rock Racing got Jacked for SuperWeek:
Suzanne Sonye(former Rock Racing employee) says Leogrande confided that he had used testosterone gel, had taken lots of things, including EPO, and that he had put soap on his wrist prior to entering a doping control at Superweek, hoping that by urinating on the soap, it would f— up the test.
So I guess the moral of the story is, don't tell anyone, ANYTHING. Do you remember Emma O'Reilly? The former soigneur at USPS? Do you remember when Lance tested positive in 99? Well she said she drove all the way to Spain that night to get a back dated dr certificate. I've not read that book by David Walsh (is that his name, i forgot?)
Are you on facebook? Look me up, I want to chat more about this.
If you take a typical rider with Armstrong's undoped VO2 max of 82, he would not get passed 380 watts FTP at the 158 pound(72 kilo) weight with a strong threshold percentage, good efficiency. Lance's VO2 max during the Tour is over 96 most likely for a 500 watt FTP which has been recorded.
With just 380 watts, Lance would ride a 51 minutes on the Alp.
Lemond's Vendetta against Armstrong goes beyond having been nondoped and Armstrong doped... Lemond finished 7th in the first epo tour de france in 1991... The year before he had dominated the thing. You can see the changes in the times on climbs like Alp' d Huez.
Lemond and Fingon did a 48 minutes in 1985 on the mountain.
In 1991, an epoJacked Indurain powered his 175 pound moose body up the alp in 39:45.
Blood doping has eliminated natural talent from the equation in high level competition.
If people like Lance, and Catlin, Phinney are allowed to take control and bully people into conforming(Simeoni) you have a bullshit system of drug talent and altered states with races decided by doctors and labs.
Lemond was scoffed at and laughed down by the entire cycling community for standing up for morality.
Talking of Indurain, remember when he lost his 6th TDF and was offered ridiculous amounts of money to sign with the ONCE team the next year? I heard from someone that his doctor at home has said that he had taken too many drugs and his body had given up and had enough and that it was time to quit. All heresay really, but I suspect there could be some truth to all that.
Its known among high level endurance trainers that it is not humanly possible to get past 5.8 watts per kilogram at sustainable power output(60 minutes). (without blood doping)
Gregg Lemond was the fastest know rider without blood doping. He had a 390 FTP at 67 kilos weight. 5.8
And... Recovery steroids do very little for atheltes. Even with low dose testosterone, you will see water retention.
Water weighs a lot. And it tends to sit in lower back/ calf muscles. And endurance athlete using overdose of any recovery drug will get stopped dead in their tracks.
Unless they respond Really well and dont log water( he he lance...)
They HAVE to use low dose and only bring their testosterone up to high normal.
With over 150mg of DHT( metabolite Testosterone per week, these guys lose hair if the genetics for it are there.(Pantani)
EQ, Tren and other Androgens will also cause this and weight gain too.
At a high dose of testosterone for example your lipid profile will suck ass, A low HDL can cause arterial plaque build up over time. Which CAN give one heart failure.
Lance's Testicular cancer could have easily come from a human parvovirus B19 infection obtained while competing with the 1990 USA CYCLING junior 15-18 National Team.
USA Cycling injected their minor Junior National team riders with Corticoids.
Funny you say this, I have long since suspected (no proof) that Lance's TC was caused by some form of drug taking. Are you telling me, he was given drugs as a junior? I am shocked. I am going to have to google this B19 thing, what is it normally used for, outside of cycling?
Where do you get all this information? So do you actually think any riders in the current peloton are clean? Do you think Hamilton is clean NOW?
There was NO drug testing at USPRO RR championships.
All the "clean" teams like Garmin, CSC, HighJacked-Columbia; are using the DYNEPO(human exact epo).
I do believe that some riders in US PRO racing are not using drugs.
Many US cat 1 riders are blood doped.
If you look at TT average speeds, anyone averaging over 31 mph for 50 minutes+ is having to produce atleast 420 watts, which is about as high as its possible for anyone to get without dope.
so you think Garmin, CSC, Columbia used DYNEPO at just the USPRORR Champs or everywhere else (ie le Tour, Giro, Tour of Missouri, whatever)? because wasn't Rasmussen's undoing DYNEPO? It'd surprise me if Garmin were on it. Besides everything else I don't think Svein Tuft would go there unless he was 100% sure they were clean. I think that systematic doping is over among the notable pro teams (with the possible exception of the artist formerly known as Saunier-Duval Scott)
No way their will EVER be a test for Dynepo because it is human identical EPO. They will never have a test for it because it would be too difficult to have marker for excess human EPO.
All the other EPO's are animal based EPO, a rider taking an animal based EPO like CERA is taking a huge risk. They can test for animal based EPO but not human.
Corticoids and amphetamines do almost nothing for you sustainable power output. Its sustainable power output in watts/per kilo of body weight that wins these grand tours since you have miles and miles of mountain climbing.
Blood boosters will give some up to a 30% increase in sustainable power and 17% increase in VO2 max. Some do not gain nearly so. Like Lance, going from that undoped VO2 max of 83(probably like 78 now) up to 96 and bringing that FTP from 380 all the way up to 500.
LANCE has no ceiling for as high a sustainable power output as great riders of the past and even his competition for the GIRO. He jacks way way up to catch up.
It is a myth that Lance is more talented. Hes a fake. When you have mass drug culture, it becomes response ability to drugs and high heamotocrit/ heamoglobin volume.
I don't know if I personally agree with you, that all drugs are "peanuts" compared to blood boosters. Some of the harder drugs used can cause more harm.
But that's beside the point. YES I do agree with you, there was no blood doping in Coppi's time. But there were other drugs. HAve a look what king eddy tested positive for. I am a fan of his, just commenting on the doping.
Merckx was positive for an amphetamine racing in a field FULL of rider ALL on amphetamines. THey helped but as I say, corticoids would have been their biggest weapon. People all fail to realize recovery is the MOST IMPORTANT. The quicker you can recover the faster you get. Look at body building. :)
But EPO and blood doping was the biggest revolution here:
Gregg Lemond dominated the Tour in 1990, with less than 100% fitness.
The next year, he missed epo; didnt use it. He still managed 7th stronger in watts than hed ever been. HE was using power in training since 1989, the first one to do so.
He could have blood doped, I doubt he did. It didnt catch on at that point. His FTP was 390. You see jacked riders in my cat 1/2 races with higher then that now.
I know it's by the smashing pumpkins. I suspect it could be from their melancolie (sorry not spelt right) album, but I can't be sure. I did have a quick lyric search on line but didn't find anything.
Tyler Hamilton's determination, courage, and passion has inspired my own life. Doping or not he's a true hero to me. Thank you for the great tribute Kzarifeh.
Coppi climbed Alp D'Huez in 45 minutes in 1958 on a heavy, crappy bike with heavy wheels on goat-shit roads without epo. Without drugs, Pharmstrong's FTP would be like 390 at an 80 VO2 max, enough for over 50 minutes on The ALP with the lightest equipment and smooth surface/ a couple pushes.
Tyler, one of the biggest frauds in cycling who in complete denial, believes his own lies even though he on so many drugs he doesnt even know what he;s on. Winning USPRO, a race with absolutely NO DRUG testing whatsoever.
People say they should legalize doping and make it free for all, it is YOUR WATCHING IT.
Burn dopers, burn slowly at the stake and dump the ashes down a well... Every cheater will burn and go to hell of being the slowest, first rider to be dropped in every race for the rest of their eternity.
A gutsier rider you'll be hard pushed to find. If we burned every rider who had cheated in the tour there would pretty much be no hero's gallery. Oh, and you don't have to dope to be a cheater.
Cheers for the feedback... To be honest I can't remember if Tugboat was still around. This video was from 2003 and I know there was some time in the tour when his dog did die, but as for when I really can't remember.
HE SNITCH
DAHOUSERECORDS 9 months ago
I love cycling! I am sorry to say that doping is more or less a part of the sport.
dantastic15 1 year ago
Dave Fuentes is still a doper?? Chad Gerlach is still a doper of the worst kind, Tyler Hamilton is the dumbest doper ever! and Lance, well his is coming
hypobaric1 1 year ago
@hypobaric1 Good prediction on Lance. Just saw `60 Minutes' confession of his three teammates last night. :O
UseAsDirected100 8 months ago
Thanks man! This win is epic!
Tyler was one of my favorites at early 2000's cycling. His Tour 2003 was incredible: crash, stage win and overall 4th.
My english is crap, sorry. :)
FraterThomas 1 year ago
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FraterThomas 1 year ago
dopers should be banned from any sport for life, if you get caught in cycling you should be banned from eversports... that should teach them a lesson...
superbagner 1 year ago
Contador to Saxo Bank
TheSirOlivier 1 year ago
he wouldn't have been able to raise both arms at the finish with a severely broken collarbone.
hzuhairy 1 year ago
Only American to win one of the five Monuments .
Tweekerhead 1 year ago
Congratulations Hamilton!!!
cassioluizzancope 1 year ago
Great talent, tough as nails, but forever tarnished as a doper.
puggy2 2 years ago
about doping: you should read some books written by cyclist, i just finished the book he wrote "positevly false" and I'm pretty impressed about how the whole system works. and I am sure there have to be changes in the Anti Doping Agencys...
laurentsKM 2 years ago
Can't agree more with the last comment, and anyway, during this performance he wasn't doping.
TPilot92 2 years ago
in most pro sports there is doping. so who cares. tyler is a warrior no matter what and this video is awesome.
NO ONE on this freaking youtube page could do the same tyler did on this day. maybe even no pro cyclist could do it...
NothingEverything1 2 years ago 2
people tend to forget that this is a man who has always faced depression. I cannot imagine what kind of demons lay with him at night and prey on his self view. Combine that with the huge pressure to win and I can see why he did it. I'm not supporting doping, I'm just saying in this case I can see the psychological motive
Shadowboost 2 years ago
doping or not, he finished a tour with a broken collarbone... I like that
frankerspanker 2 years ago
Tambien practico el ciclismo y admiro mucho a Tyler hamilton , sea o no dopado , es una gran persona como ejemplo..carajo quisiera ser como èl...hola kzarifeh muy buen video de mi estrella fAVORITA...SALUDOS
edgard6285 2 years ago
so what tyler doped, he's still awsome.
smithsil 2 years ago
Couple of words
Riis
Basso
Ullrich
Schleck
and
FUENTES read it and weep
ullrich2003 2 years ago
I can't bear to hear his name. What a disgrace.
dahgutone 2 years ago
The solution to doping in sports is jail
frenchie514 2 years ago
If it was jail everybody would be in jail.
TheSirOlivier 2 years ago
But its still the right solution otherwise this is all gonna continue
cyclingalot 2 years ago
i dont know why people give this thumbs down your completely right
cyclingalot 2 years ago
I just can't seem to get this stage win off my mind. It was a long solo, in a mountain stage. He had injured himself earlier in the Tour. Okay, he used the dope, but everyone used it in the 90s. Respect to Tyler Hamilton!
WetCatHead 2 years ago 2
Everyone was doped in those times including Lance Armstrong. Nevertheles if everyone was doped, it still is an outstanding performance that Tyler showed. God bless the man and make him come back.
kebill2008 2 years ago
there is no evidence to support the accusation of Armstrong having doped. He has been tested by the best anti-doping labs in Europe and the USA and he has always ben ruled clean.
OrionSyndicate910 2 years ago 2
There is an abundance of evidence...
jh041166 2 years ago
if there was, he would not have been allowed to ride in the recent TdF. Provide evidence of doping by Armstrong if you're going to make the claim.
The burden of proof is on the one who makes the accusation.
OrionSyndicate910 2 years ago
no, there is a bunch of speculation and relationships that would lead one to believe its a possibility. but there is no hard evidence. the same evidence they have on Armstrong is the same evidence they have on every single cyclist.
HOPSING08 2 years ago
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robert2niro 2 years ago
F*cking doper!!!
mikroos 2 years ago
I hope he is coming back !!!
1105195 2 years ago
tyler hamilton tested positive
melende1966 2 years ago
this guy is the man. heart of the lion. too bad people will think he is still doping because he tested positive for DHEA recently, which is a drug used more as an anti-depressant than a performance enhancing drug. In fact it is debatably if it is even performance enhancing at all. Tyler Hamilton is the man. Hopefully he will deal with his depression safely.
gza2k7 2 years ago
there are always people who blaim everyone for dope...
no one believes in real prestation nowadays, those fucking french blame every cyclist that aint french if they win a tour de france stage...
sad.
JaahJeMoeder 2 years ago
Tyler had a great career. It's sad it ended the way it did. Hopefully he can get the help he needs, and some day owning up to the dark times in his past will help with that. I don't think anyone will think any less of him. He doped during a time pretty much everyone doped and no one talked about it. Let's stop pretending it wasn't so, like Tyler, Basso, Heras, etc. were the only ones.
zenmachinefilms 2 years ago
I will miss Tyler in the pro peloton! doping or not if you rode 1000 miles+ with a broken collarbone you are the man. Tyler. you will be missed.
jsnsykes 2 years ago
I am commiserate about this positive test (I think it´s no doping, he used it against his depressions) and the end of his great career. I will never forget this victory on stage 16 and his amazing fourth place in the overall plus his second place in the giro 2002 with a fractured shoulder. Thanks for memorable moments!
TommekeTommeke 2 years ago
great video! The tour 2003 was simply the best! So exciting and close! Loved Tyler, especially on this stage where we rode so encouraging!. Would love to see him racing again!!!
woodstock321 2 years ago 2
hamilton tested positive, admitted doping and quit cycling earlier today!
but i agree that the 2003 tour was amazing!
MacTobey 2 years ago 2
Thanks for this ,he is me hero!!!
1105195 3 years ago
hes a hero, hes a warrior. your right on the money!
god bless him!
NothingEverything1 2 years ago
Thanks for commenting "Nothingeverything1" but last I checked this was my page and I can comment about what I like :) If you look at my posts they are not filled with hate or anything like that. I can't speak for MJ, but it's because I love cycling so much that I dream of the sport cleaning up their act.
It's people like you who blindly put your head in the sand that makes the problem continue. As far as I am concerned MJ is one of the few ppl related to cycling who tell it like it is!!!!!
kzarifeh 3 years ago
lol i wasnt talking to you
oh because i just want to enjoy this mix i put my head in the sand, no because you read on post from me u know me?
yeah man, your cool
NothingEverything1 3 years ago
man u haters... stop talking about doping on this awesome hamilton mix, he is a warrior, a hero, no metter doping yes or no. u have to understand that.
god bless u tyler! (harderst driver ever)
NothingEverything1 3 years ago
Ah nevermind... Thats too bad. He maybe was tired out after that yesterday...
Too bad, it looks like Astana will blood dope their way to every single major race victory this year. And the 02 carriers too dont forget!
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Hey, you been quiet for a few weeks... What's new with you? What's the latest? Cheers
kzarifeh 3 years ago
No one is going to "clean up" cycling or any other sport.
Superficiality is the only thing that matters. WADA is here to make Lance and other fake sports (all pro sports, and gov. funded olympics too) MORE marketable to corporations and publishers.
Recreational drugs? Drunk driving? Prostitutes? Mass systematic doping? Thats called living "grand!"
Whistleblower are too easily discredited as bitter and jelous. (LeMond, Swart, Prentice Steffen, Decanio, O'Reilly, Andreu, etc.)
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
All god points, and yes I agree with you on the whistle blower thingy... So where does that leave us? Surely not giving up on the sport and turning to rally cars? ;)
kzarifeh 3 years ago
The public needs to demand power-profile monitoring on a few of the top riders from a government source where the data is not tampered with. Total body hemoglobin testing is another thing people need to push for if they want a clean Cycling. Drug testing and hematocrit testing alone CANNOT be expected to control blood doping.
The only thing that can help the sport is negative publicity really. An alcoholic sometimes needs some bad experiences before they commit, or to keep comitting.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
MJ - are you watching the Tour of California? Not sure if you live that way...
Am amazed how much you know about all this drug stuff. How would LA get away with that, would his team be openly doing stuff, or all private ? I've never worked out how it's done say with the CSC of old, is it common and in public and everyone just shuts up, or do people find their own ways to dope?
Cheers for any insight.
Kate
kzarifeh 3 years ago
"Lance and the leaders" are all autologous blood doping. I think Mancebo caught the whole Astana off gaurd which is just funny. I'm rooting the square head Mancebo to beat Levi and Lance! He needs to make sure he gets big refills for the hard stages to get his hematocrit all the way up. Common Franscisco you can do it! He finished top 5 in the TDF once, cant remember what year it was?
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
So are you telling me you are going for Mancebo even though you say he is doped too? How does that work?
Or is it that he is "less doped" than the others? ;)
How come you know this and they still can't catch them, does Astana have an organised systematic thing of doping, ie do his teammates know lance dopes or does he do it in private? Seeing as you know all, thought you might have insight on this too.
Cheers
kzarifeh 3 years ago
I hate Lance and Tyler& Floyd because their so full of shit! And Both Floyd and Tyler took a lotta money from their supporters...
What about Jörg Jaschke? He told the truth and didnt use all his fans by steeling their money!
I hate Garmin for lying too. They have EVERYBODY convinced that their clean which is total BS. You dont get a 2nd and 9th in the prologue when the 38th place guy is averaging 530 watts and is 3.4 seconds per K slower!
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Journalists are easily passed as tabloid trash: (Walsh, Kimmage.) Dropped lawsuits are easy victories as long as the opposing party is paid to keep their mouths shut.
Silly blood doped cycling is 100% here to stay, if Former NFL player Bob Buczkowski can run a prostitution ring, if Michael Vick can run dog fighting rings and OJ Simpson can murder a couple people and get off, why cant the MN Vikings do androgenic steroids and flush them out with diaretics?
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
THats a silly little infraction!? Why cant XC skiing have their Nordic tradition of blood refills and plasma expanders so they can sleep around with a hematocrit of 60? (AS LONG as transfusion equipment is not left in hotel rooms for maids.) The Finnish invented blood doping after all in the 1970s!
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
"There is no commitment to stopping the drug problem. People know the sport is dirty, the sport is so driven by records."
-Carl Lewis
When Dr. Wade Exum was fired he decided to reveal all the positive tests from the USOC that were supposed to be burned, over 30,000 pages of documents. The US government funded USOC execs now run USADA.
The illegal doping and death in here to stay--as are the empty denials.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
The only I can think of is a congressional investigation on Lance--take him down to set a BIG example.
Then test for total hemoglobin in all the UCI races period. Huge busts--Bust EVERYONE and end blood-refills.
Then worry about gene therepy. Repoxygen is useless anyways, its the same as epo.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
I'll regurgitate what someone else said on Nolf: There are very few causes of death to choose from in a 18-25 year old heart attack.
This person either died of Wolf-Parkinson-White Syndrome( which kills a few young people) or he was doing heavy recreational drugs the night before (cocaine.) Cocaine doesnt sit well with athletes.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Unless of course your name is Boonen ;)
kzarifeh 3 years ago
Boonen is not really an isolated case though. Recreational drug use is widespread in Pro athlete's and VERY MUCH accepted by the general public that worships them. Many believe illegal drugs belong in society, especially fans of an athlete that has been caught. I know you read David Walsh's chapter on the Confidis team and their drug use, running butt naked through the halls in hotels, etc.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
MANY, maybe, but not me. Some of your comments are good, but a little too general. For every party boy you talk about above there is probably a handful of other guys not taking recreational drugs.
who is actually accepting this? I certainly don't? But what can I do about it? Not washing my hands of it, but I wish someone would give direction on how we can act. It's like a never ending cycle. how many more death will occur before someone does something?
kzarifeh 3 years ago
The last option is that he took a blood-refill the night before, or didnt "take out" his extra blood from the previous stage and went to sleep with a 60+ hematocrit. I doubt the team he's on is the calibre of team that has the know-how to blood dope and beat the hematocrit controls but you never know. I would think they would use EPO to get to the 50% limit and thats it. But you never know.
The U23 racing in Europe has been extremely dirty. Read, "Matt's story" on my favorites.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
MJ - where you at? I want to know your thoughts on the latest death in pro cycling? That belgian guy who died in Qatar... Obviously it's so tragic, but how on earth are the fittest guys on the planet all dying of "heart attacks"
Please enlighten us, what drugs are doing this? Obviously it's that blood boosting stuff they are messing around with, any ideas on specifics???
Kate
kzarifeh 3 years ago
okay.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
He will use allosteric effectors of haemoglobin to help O2 transportation.
-RSR13
-Perfluorodecalin (C10F18) PFC particles are about 1/40 the size of the diameter of a red blood cell. This small size can enable PFC particles to traverse capillaries through which no RBCs are flowing.
This stuff is all on Wikipedia fro crying out loud.... I could catch lance... Is the media and the whole world high....smoking pot?!
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
All he has to do is somehow drain out the PFC's after a big stage or race is over with. Either that or use something else not tested for that transports oxygen in the blood.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Oh never mind... They wear off very quickly, within a few hours. They are exhailed.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
OH yeah, he is using drugs that work to TRANSPORT oxygen quicker in the body.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Recovery drugs like IGF-1 and HGH dont improve VO2 max or sustainable power drastically. Its the 'blood refills' that will make it become evident. Lance has increase his sustainable Oxygen consumtion by about 35% in the past with the "fresh blood."
Lance has use exemptions for cortisone and Testosterone. So He will jack his beta hCG levels through the roof and then hide it somehow using Ferrari's techniques. He drinks a lot of coffee too. ALL this information is publically available.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
I just have to say I dont like Hamilton the slightest because of his fraud he pushed on his fans.... He was too much of a pussy to admit he doped with his own frozen Red Blood Cells and ended up using blood from a dirty centrifuge perhaps used by a teamate.
This diabolical crap needs to come to an end at some point....
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Any suggestions?
So, would I be foolish asking your thoughts on LA's "comeback" What sort of gear do you think he is on?
kzarifeh 3 years ago
Lance Or Basso will win the Giro/Tour and they will "accomplish" this with blood doping. Lance will lie about his power data during the races and how strong he really is.... You can tell when lance has taken a 'blood refill' because he will show up late to the stage. Afterwards its into the camper van to drain the extra blood out and then go to testing IF he even is called to testing.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
I think Vande Velde was above whats humanly possible as far as watts/kilo goes. Certainly he has doped in the past with Postal.
What the blood testing does is keep riders from having a heamatocrit above 50% for testing. So they dope with their own frozen Red Blood cells which can also be kept frozen when buffered with glycerol, but this is an expensive and time consuming process and is rarely done.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Frozen red cells are stored at -80C and have an last a make-believe shelf life of 10 bloody years but perhaps longer. By transfusing after morning tests, they can get heamatorcrit to about 55% even if the morning tests are 30 minutes before the start... So 3-5 units of blood.
They will use OR techniques to rapidly speed along the transfusion process before the start of the race....
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
I dont think Garmin is racing dirty but they very well could be... They have no checks and balances at all in that team, its like a wolf garding the henhouse as Greg LeMond would say...
To LeMond, its criminal for riders to be forced into this. Certainly the drugs and techniques themselves ARE illegal.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
pau-bayonne
dawidki 3 years ago
hamilton is the hardest driver of all time. tru warrior!
god bless u tyler
NothingEverything1 3 years ago
Kalyle Leogrande of Rock Racing got Jacked for SuperWeek:
Suzanne Sonye(former Rock Racing employee) says Leogrande confided that he had used testosterone gel, had taken lots of things, including EPO, and that he had put soap on his wrist prior to entering a doping control at Superweek, hoping that by urinating on the soap, it would f— up the test.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
So I guess the moral of the story is, don't tell anyone, ANYTHING. Do you remember Emma O'Reilly? The former soigneur at USPS? Do you remember when Lance tested positive in 99? Well she said she drove all the way to Spain that night to get a back dated dr certificate. I've not read that book by David Walsh (is that his name, i forgot?)
Are you on facebook? Look me up, I want to chat more about this.
Kate
kzarifeh 3 years ago
I've gotta keep my profile COMPLETELY anonomous.
I lie about a lot of things; about my profile and where I live...
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
If you take a typical rider with Armstrong's undoped VO2 max of 82, he would not get passed 380 watts FTP at the 158 pound(72 kilo) weight with a strong threshold percentage, good efficiency. Lance's VO2 max during the Tour is over 96 most likely for a 500 watt FTP which has been recorded.
With just 380 watts, Lance would ride a 51 minutes on the Alp.
In 2004 he rode it in around 38:30.
So now you must understand my Fausto Coppi comment.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Lemond's Vendetta against Armstrong goes beyond having been nondoped and Armstrong doped... Lemond finished 7th in the first epo tour de france in 1991... The year before he had dominated the thing. You can see the changes in the times on climbs like Alp' d Huez.
Lemond and Fingon did a 48 minutes in 1985 on the mountain.
In 1991, an epoJacked Indurain powered his 175 pound moose body up the alp in 39:45.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Blood doping has eliminated natural talent from the equation in high level competition.
If people like Lance, and Catlin, Phinney are allowed to take control and bully people into conforming(Simeoni) you have a bullshit system of drug talent and altered states with races decided by doctors and labs.
Lemond was scoffed at and laughed down by the entire cycling community for standing up for morality.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Talking of Indurain, remember when he lost his 6th TDF and was offered ridiculous amounts of money to sign with the ONCE team the next year? I heard from someone that his doctor at home has said that he had taken too many drugs and his body had given up and had enough and that it was time to quit. All heresay really, but I suspect there could be some truth to all that.
kzarifeh 3 years ago
Its known among high level endurance trainers that it is not humanly possible to get past 5.8 watts per kilogram at sustainable power output(60 minutes). (without blood doping)
Gregg Lemond was the fastest know rider without blood doping. He had a 390 FTP at 67 kilos weight. 5.8
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
And... Recovery steroids do very little for atheltes. Even with low dose testosterone, you will see water retention.
Water weighs a lot. And it tends to sit in lower back/ calf muscles. And endurance athlete using overdose of any recovery drug will get stopped dead in their tracks.
Unless they respond Really well and dont log water( he he lance...)
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
They HAVE to use low dose and only bring their testosterone up to high normal.
With over 150mg of DHT( metabolite Testosterone per week, these guys lose hair if the genetics for it are there.(Pantani)
EQ, Tren and other Androgens will also cause this and weight gain too.
At a high dose of testosterone for example your lipid profile will suck ass, A low HDL can cause arterial plaque build up over time. Which CAN give one heart failure.
Its FTP/Kilo that wins. Weight=bad.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Hey I am very impressed with your knowledge. How do you know so much about performance enhancing drugs? Keep the comments coming.
Kate
kzarifeh 3 years ago
Lance's Testicular cancer could have easily come from a human parvovirus B19 infection obtained while competing with the 1990 USA CYCLING junior 15-18 National Team.
USA Cycling injected their minor Junior National team riders with Corticoids.
Sources:
(THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLORADO
Judge John L. Kane
Civil Action No. 00cv2285JLK)
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Chris Carmichael quickly settled out of court for $20,000 after one confirmed cortisone injection on a 17 year old rider.
USA Cycling settled out of court for $250,000 on each rider.
Have you read the first 20 pages of David Walsh's book? Its very insightful.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Funny you say this, I have long since suspected (no proof) that Lance's TC was caused by some form of drug taking. Are you telling me, he was given drugs as a junior? I am shocked. I am going to have to google this B19 thing, what is it normally used for, outside of cycling?
Where do you get all this information? So do you actually think any riders in the current peloton are clean? Do you think Hamilton is clean NOW?
kzarifeh 3 years ago
I can give out some facts.
There was NO drug testing at USPRO RR championships.
All the "clean" teams like Garmin, CSC, HighJacked-Columbia; are using the DYNEPO(human exact epo).
I do believe that some riders in US PRO racing are not using drugs.
Many US cat 1 riders are blood doped.
If you look at TT average speeds, anyone averaging over 31 mph for 50 minutes+ is having to produce atleast 420 watts, which is about as high as its possible for anyone to get without dope.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
(Okay opinion:)
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
so you think Garmin, CSC, Columbia used DYNEPO at just the USPRORR Champs or everywhere else (ie le Tour, Giro, Tour of Missouri, whatever)? because wasn't Rasmussen's undoing DYNEPO? It'd surprise me if Garmin were on it. Besides everything else I don't think Svein Tuft would go there unless he was 100% sure they were clean. I think that systematic doping is over among the notable pro teams (with the possible exception of the artist formerly known as Saunier-Duval Scott)
TeamSCSC 3 years ago
No way their will EVER be a test for Dynepo because it is human identical EPO. They will never have a test for it because it would be too difficult to have marker for excess human EPO.
All the other EPO's are animal based EPO, a rider taking an animal based EPO like CERA is taking a huge risk. They can test for animal based EPO but not human.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
There is an existence of Human parvovirus B19 (B19) DNA in the testes of patients with testicular germ cell tumours (85%) of them.
This(they think) is because the immune functionality of the testes get shut down with the cancer.
I have other studies that link it as a cause however. It is a debated topic but there seems to be a direct correlation at the very least.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Corticoids and amphetamines do almost nothing for you sustainable power output. Its sustainable power output in watts/per kilo of body weight that wins these grand tours since you have miles and miles of mountain climbing.
Blood boosters will give some up to a 30% increase in sustainable power and 17% increase in VO2 max. Some do not gain nearly so. Like Lance, going from that undoped VO2 max of 83(probably like 78 now) up to 96 and bringing that FTP from 380 all the way up to 500.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Mustard Junkie - are you giving a thumbs down to Coppi's effort up the alpe?
I am with Wanmaker. Coppi was suspected of taking drugs, as were the greats like big Eddy. I would like to believe they didn't, but it's unlikely.
kzarifeh 3 years ago
You guys MIS-UNDERSTOOD me.
Re-Read the comment on Coppi please.
All drugs are PEANUTS compered to blood boosters.
There WAS NO BLOOD DOPING UNTIL 1980's.
LANCE has no ceiling for as high a sustainable power output as great riders of the past and even his competition for the GIRO. He jacks way way up to catch up.
It is a myth that Lance is more talented. Hes a fake. When you have mass drug culture, it becomes response ability to drugs and high heamotocrit/ heamoglobin volume.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
I don't know if I personally agree with you, that all drugs are "peanuts" compared to blood boosters. Some of the harder drugs used can cause more harm.
But that's beside the point. YES I do agree with you, there was no blood doping in Coppi's time. But there were other drugs. HAve a look what king eddy tested positive for. I am a fan of his, just commenting on the doping.
kzarifeh 3 years ago
Merckx was positive for an amphetamine racing in a field FULL of rider ALL on amphetamines. THey helped but as I say, corticoids would have been their biggest weapon. People all fail to realize recovery is the MOST IMPORTANT. The quicker you can recover the faster you get. Look at body building. :)
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
But EPO and blood doping was the biggest revolution here:
Gregg Lemond dominated the Tour in 1990, with less than 100% fitness.
The next year, he missed epo; didnt use it. He still managed 7th stronger in watts than hed ever been. HE was using power in training since 1989, the first one to do so.
He could have blood doped, I doubt he did. It didnt catch on at that point. His FTP was 390. You see jacked riders in my cat 1/2 races with higher then that now.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
YEs I agree re blood doping, but there were other drugs around in the 60's and 70's.
Are you actually trying to tell me that in your mind, some drugs are not as bad and as such do not constitute as much of a violation?
kzarifeh 3 years ago
what's the name of the song?
rtemp16 3 years ago
Hi, sorry to be vague, I really can't remember.
I know it's by the smashing pumpkins. I suspect it could be from their melancolie (sorry not spelt right) album, but I can't be sure. I did have a quick lyric search on line but didn't find anything.
Sorry, I edited it so long ago I forgot the name.
kzarifeh 3 years ago
Found it. Smashing Pumpkins - Eye (Lost Highway soundtrack; Lyrics by Marilyn Manson)
rtemp16 3 years ago
Tyler Hamilton's determination, courage, and passion has inspired my own life. Doping or not he's a true hero to me. Thank you for the great tribute Kzarifeh.
rtemp16 3 years ago
Amen
JamieTownsend89 3 years ago
coppi no drugs .pull your finger out my bum.
wanmaker 3 years ago
Coppi climbed Alp D'Huez in 45 minutes in 1958 on a heavy, crappy bike with heavy wheels on goat-shit roads without epo. Without drugs, Pharmstrong's FTP would be like 390 at an 80 VO2 max, enough for over 50 minutes on The ALP with the lightest equipment and smooth surface/ a couple pushes.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Thanks for your comments Mustard Junkie. I am surprised you checked out the clip considering your position???
Anyway, this was edited before Tyler "tested" positive. And he may have doped, but that does not make him a bad person.
kzarifeh 3 years ago
Tyler, one of the biggest frauds in cycling who in complete denial, believes his own lies even though he on so many drugs he doesnt even know what he;s on. Winning USPRO, a race with absolutely NO DRUG testing whatsoever.
People say they should legalize doping and make it free for all, it is YOUR WATCHING IT.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Welcome back MJ, so good of you to join us. Have I told you about God yet? :)
kzarifeh 3 years ago
Burn dopers, burn slowly at the stake and dump the ashes down a well... Every cheater will burn and go to hell of being the slowest, first rider to be dropped in every race for the rest of their eternity.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
A gutsier rider you'll be hard pushed to find. If we burned every rider who had cheated in the tour there would pretty much be no hero's gallery. Oh, and you don't have to dope to be a cheater.
oberleiutenant 3 years ago
The sports "heros" are the ones that dont dope. Struggling in at the back of the pack when you could be winning?
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
no dout that he was a dope head but I like him anyway... I think he is cool
alexvino99 3 years ago
tbh mate i dont think he is, rad into him and you'll fid that he is a decent guy.
JamieTownsend89 3 years ago
fantastic video..
ridetrek92 3 years ago
Awesome vid, Tugboat passed away in 2004 I think, when Tyler was riding for Phonak.
JamieTownsend89 3 years ago
Cheers for the feedback... To be honest I can't remember if Tugboat was still around. This video was from 2003 and I know there was some time in the tour when his dog did die, but as for when I really can't remember.
kzarifeh 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this; yes that was an amazing ride by TH. Was this right after Tugboat died?
janos5 3 years ago