excellent quality of footage and reading of some comments we learned nothing . A persons nation does not make any difference in life or death ,,,, there was bravery cowardice brillance and stupidity . Thats war and we are unfortunately good at it ,I honor all who fought but shun all those who gave the lives of the these men and women so easily .
the reason canada was in it longer is because they were with england...without the us...the whole world would be speaking german...and canadians would be singing OH JAPANADA!
@uafchris i was refering to ww2 sorry...and dont think japan wouldnt have invaded canada if the us wouldnt have been there.....and i dont believe ww1 was really "won" by anyone....a half ass treaty with little to zero enforcement...
@Jamesminson please explain??? facepalm doesnt cut it sorry....yes i know japan was an ally in ww1...i was talking ww2. it was a joke......and if you think the treaty of versailles was thoroughly enforced, just ask the ppl of austria. and the ppl of the sudetenland...and poland...and france...and russia...and even though the US was only in the war for a year, they were the main reason the war ended when it did...just "read history" and read what the german generals had to say...
@McPuffins509 oh i apologise i thought u were referring to WW1 i accept in WW2 americans did a lot d-day and such. I was face palming because i thought u were reffering to WW1 where as you said japan was an ally and america contributed something like a 200th of the total allied forces and joine din quite close to the end of the war
Canada and the U.S. were the two main allied forces in the war. The Canadians did some impressive stuff at Vimy ridge, and the Americans did some impressive stuff in Marne and Amiens.
My Great Grandfathers father fought in this war. He was a German serving his Emperor. I believe both sides fought bravely. It is sad that we had so much in common, we had to fight each other.
My great-grandfather came to USA from italy, and gained his citizenship fighting in france in WWI. Sadly he became a moonshiner for the mafia after the war and was shot by a rival gangster
My great-grandfather came to USA from italy, and gained his freedom fighting in france in WWI. Sadly he became a moonshiner for the mafia after the war and was shot by a rival gangster
the british knows that they loose, look to Lusitania, british engagement, that the us comes and help then, WW2 the same, never trust a british people in war
William "willie" Jones USA Meritorious service cross for going "over the top" in a hail of machine gun fire to save 2 Australian wounded officers He was never the same upon his return home to Anderson,sc. He died of strange lung disease he believed was from the gases used by the Germans. The shame of it all was that the Vet hospital denied his problems were from the war. This is how a hero is treated ? Sad. God bless u Willie, and thank you.
America should never have gotten involved in WW1 it was none of our business and it wasn't worth one American boys blood. Europeans started it they should have finished it ALONE.
I guess I should just tell my grandfather that he wasnt needed. He didnt need to lose a lung and go through the mental hardships after the war. Just another time in history when U.S tries to help, but it is never enough, never good enough. Just amazes me, I am sure that the French, Germans, English, Russians etc. all did the best to win this damn thing, but the American soldiers just didnt do that much- were in battles that didnt even matter. huh. guess we learn something everyday.
@mm81gm Why the hurt feelings? If a country is just slightly involved in a war and turns out to be not a decisive factor then why can't it be stated as such? Australia was in battles in the Pacific in WW2 that according to them did not matter. What about those Aussies that lost an arm or had to go through mental hardships after the war? Australians in the Pacific is not the reason that war was won nor was US in WW1 the reason that war was won. Simple isn't it?
@reevo53 The 115,000 is total US military deaths. Over half that number were due to accidents and other causes but mainly the flu of which a large number died in the US. 53,513 is the actual battle related deaths.
I already said that I do not deny the US contribution. Why not leave a comment to other posters who take the ignorant position of not giving any credit to to the British and French for winning the war
@ascoop22 in ww1 american involvement was pretty late. in fact america might have not been involved at all if it wasnt for the germans trying to make allies with mexico to attack us as well as the sinking of the Lusitania where 100 or so american citizens died. america did contrubute in force and morale. the batterd germans fell much much faster when thousands of fresh troops stormed them. and the thought of another enemy fighting them must have been terrible.
@nerain16 The Germans did indeed suffer problems of moral in 1918, not only thoughts of fighting another enemy but more so the situation on the homefront and front lines due to the British blockade.
I was mistaken in first thinking that you meant that the Germans were defeated faster in the face of fresh troops.
I had to laugh someone is flogging a 1st world mess tin its dated 1917 just at the end of war. Typical isnt it Americans weasel in at the end of a campaign and try to claim the glory ironically the mess tin 180487256984 looks in good nick typical Americans we always have to save there skins the
"Nobody among us will ever forget what America did" - Marshall Ferdinand Foch
so America may not have "won" the war, but without them the french and british were mega f'd they would have lost way more men stopping the germans getting to paris which they could have done but with a tremendous cost and the french army would have most like mutinied again and for real
@ezzz42 Have you ever read about the end of the war from many different historians? Why would have the British and French lost way more men than they did without the US? The US only lost 500. The British and French stopped the Gernmans everywhere else and over a much greater time and area. What is so hard to understand? The US only played a very small part in helping to stop the Germans.
If france and england were so great why did they need all the supplies first and then manpower 2nd. why couldnt they have done it all on there own if they were so good? why did england and france need there colonial and territorial troops? i think ludendorff said it best when he said that as soon as american soldiers reached the front lines the war was done for germany, and it has nothing to with the yanks "being better" it was man power pure and simple
@ezzz42 It was not American supplies or manpower that won the war. The Germans already agreed that they were at the end of resistance and the war had to be brought to an end nearly two months before the AEF statrted their main battle of the war. The US manpower was there but did nothing on the battlefield to influence the end. Compare what Canada did with 4 Divisions to what the US did with 22 to understand the issue of US manpower and it's significance
@ascoop22 Oh and I have no idea where you are coming up with this 500 casualty bs. The US lost 115k+ in this war. Don't just ramble on and throw numbers around unless you know they are real numbers.
@reevo53 You have no idea where I am coming from with the 500 casualty BS? Right before the numbers I posted is the phrase week long battle We were talking about the Battle of Third Aisne which was from May 27 to June 4 and the third offensive by the Germans spring of 1918. They are real numbers. Dont accuse others of BS without carefully reading what they have written.
If the US 2nd division wasnt where it was a French division would have been there instead and stopped the Germans like they did all along the front lines at that time.
I really dont know why you think that the French couldnt have done what the Marines did. Experience, training and tactics count for a lot in war.
During the week long battle the French took 98,000 casualties. The British 28,000 and the US only under 500. The British were sending down another 4 divisions, the French Tenth Army was still in reserve North of Paris. The Germans were exhausted, over extended and had taken 130,000 cas after coming 30 miles in a week and still had 40 miles to go. There is no way the Germans would have taken Paris
Do you think that if the French didnt make those strong counter attacks and wore down the enemy that the 2nd US division would have been fucked when they met the Germans? Its possible. No matter. Even then there were still reserves coming. 7 more French divisions arrived after the Americans got to the area. In all, 27 divisions arrived during the week by June 3 as reinforcement to hold back the Germans and only 2 were US and of the 2 only some saw action.
At the end of June 2 the French were still fighting with stiff resistance east of that line you described and inflicting heavy losses on Contas men. The French counter attack between the Marne and Ourcq badly blunted and slowed the advance of Contas Corps and gave time to move in more reserves and prepare defense positions, which the 2nd US division took advantage of.
The 4 places you mentioned are all north of the Marne so how would that objective line ensure the Germans holding both sides? What about the 60 miles north of Gandelu and northwest in a big arc to a point due north of Paris and all within 40 miles?
On June 2, about 10 miles north of Gandelu and Belleau Wood the French recaptured Faverolles.
You are the only one in the world that would call the 1 mile square woods a staging area for an offensive. You have no idea of the scale of the war do you? The German offensive that started 10 days earlier had 41 divisions and 5,000 guns launched on a 25 mile front. The Germans were never going to launch an offensive from Belleau Wood and no one ever expected them to
your the asshole who has the lack of class by questioning the honor and contribution of men long dead.
Of which you do not deserve the right to sniff the piss and vinegar they had.
The American experience was a much more up close and personal one than that of their European counterparts mainly because those Marines were not allowed to join the fight and had to prove themselves and they did
Im not questioning the honor or contribution of what they did there. I know what they did better than you. Im questioning your accuracy when it comes to the Fisrt World War, 1918 in particular. I also say that you are not worthy to sniff their latrines. Dont know what you mean by the American experience was much more up close and personal than their European counterparts? Do you think there are no stories of personal bravery by others?
What do you mean those Marines were not allowed to join the fight? They were sent to clear the Germans out of the Woods. All the men from all the countries involved had to prove themselves and they all did.
During the 3 week battle of Belleau Wood, a battle that was meant to expel the Germans from a 1 square mile of wood and an unnecessary battle at that, (like many of the war) the Germans attacked toward Paris 45 miles to the northwest. After an advance of 6 miles at the farthest they were stopped by the French.
Heavily fortified? The Germans were at Belleau Wood for 3 days at the most before French Command ordered the Americans to clear the Woods, it was not heavily fortified. In hindsight they should have cleared it themselves. The Germans loaded all of their positions with machineguns and had hundreds of miles of trenches and strongpoints that were heavily fortified and worked on for years. The British and French were the ones that went up against that.
where the Americans were and had even earlier counter attacked and regained ground 10 miles to the north. If Americans failed to hold their part of the line it would have meant a mile wide corridor and 40 miles of right and left flanks exposed in enemy territory and therefore reaching Paris was a complete impossibility. When the German 30 mile advance was stopped along a 70 mile front on June 4th they were already exhausted and over extended.
The British and French were not in full retreat. The US were slightly involved in Third Aisne and took under 500 casualties, the French 100,000, the British 28,000. Paris would never have fell without US There were too many divisions being sent to the area and the Tenth French Army was still in reserve to the Northeast of Paris. The Germans were stopped by the French to the east and north of the narrow sector
what are you talking about? You obviously did not read my comment. If you had «Let those fuckers burn» like you say, the US would not be what it is today... And for te record, i like the USA, I just dont like ignorant people.
You don't know what you are talking about. Your argumentation is totally wrong. Are you writing me from your trailer park home? I think you should worry about the Iraqi shit you are in.. even though you are the most powerful army in the world, the quality of your soldiers is poor... just look how you got your ass beat in Vietnam! And Canadians are better educated than americans, that is just a fact... Do you study in something? Tell me, do you know where Africa is on a map?
Unfortunately, as much as i respect the U.S. Armed Forces, you are not the best army the the world, regarding the quality of the soldiers. You have the most hi-tech army, but definetly not the best soldiers ''hands down''. And civilians do not count in a kill ratio... VC did not have a 5 million men army...
You should realize it is operations like vietnam and Iraq that cause the decline of American power. Imperialistic Overexpansionism. WW1 and WW2 were necessary. Vietnam and Iraq were not.
you know what you are correct, Canadians speak properly without all the trashy american slang. americans are arrogant and they think they are the smartest as idiviauals. but that is also their ignorance. and yes we had our asses handed to us in Nam'
Maelfesh3. Could you please explain, lets pretend the British and French had no idea of enemy strength, why Americans would be sent to Belleau Wood? Do you know something about Americans that no one else knows?
If enemy strength was unknown why would they send the Americans? Is it kind of like the Soviets clearing mine fields with prisoners? There were a lot of Americans back then, still are. You saying Americans were expendable or just stupid?
If I ever happen to be in the to vicinity Ill tell your grandfather his grandson talks shit.
By the way Maelfesh. There is no shame or discredit to anyone in discovering historical facts. The British, even though they fought with their Pacific Fleet, dont claim they are the main reason the war against the Japanese was won. Neither should Americans when it comes to WW1.
What does Belleau Wood have to do with me shitting my pants? I never said the Marines in WW1 were pussies and I dont care if you are a Marine and if you shit your pants. Im not trying to kick dirt on what happened at Belleau Wood but you do have some facts wrong and misconceptions. All Im saying is that it was not a pivotal battle that changed anything on the western front or saved Paris.
I do say that the Marines fought bravely but they didnt do anything at the Wood that the French or British couldnt have done. Thats not disgracing the Marines, just a fact. The French in other places were retaking lost ground and beating back another German offensive during the small battle of Belleau Wood. BW wasnt the only action happening at the time and its outcome wasnt decisive on winning or losing the war. Just a matter of who would hold the woods.
im not saying they didnt contribute cause yes without america's supplies they most likely wouldnt have won but im tired of american running around saying we do everything and win all wars cause its not true im american myself
50 German Divisions attacking on a 50 mile front can in no way be called a big push at Chateau Thierry. It was only a small town, not 50 miles long. It was also the French 30th Division that at was at Chateau Thierry, no matter, a bit to the east was the US 3rd Division. There were 42 French divisions, 2 british, 2 Italian and 3 US divisions involved. Another French Division would have filled in if a US division didnt.
The german objective for June 2 was embodied IN conta's order to reach thre line Gandelu-Marigny-Bouresches-Vaux,which would push the center of the advance west-southwest,beyond Bellau wood and ensure german forces would hold both sides of the marne as they continued their push toward paris.
Yeah, the Americans did arrive late in that war. Much due to the Presidents own precautious attitude and beliefs. To hold that against the men though is foolish. They fought bravely and did what they were told to do. My great grandfather and great uncle were there...on the front. It was no walk in the park for them as well. There are many books detailing the American battles. Find them and read them.
Don't blame your president. It's American thinking, though and through. "It's somebody else's problem until it's on our doorstep, regardless of what we SAY we belive".
@2firefighting2 If the americans did not arrive in france the germans would have taken Parris. My great grandfather died in Belleau Wood. My grandfather grew up never knowing his dad. So fuck off. By the way the only reason canada was in ww1 is because they were to big of pussys to not be a part of the brittish.
@2firefighting2 If it was not for the united states in ww2 the brittish would have been beaten and you would have been under control of the nazis and we would of had to save your ass
40 million dead is TERRIBLE. if you think about it, imagine how many children were fatherless, imagine how many wives were widows, imagine how many families were displaced from their homes that were destroyed. War is hell, although I cannot say this because I have never experienced it.But by the outcome, I pray war ends
A truthful summarization. And as terrible a thing as it is, it continues to capture my imagination with the wonder and skeptical of it all. The French lost more than any country in WW1. So many in fact that it is believed not just one but nearly two generations of French were wiped out. The younger 17 to 25 and the older 26 to 35. Sad.
Sorry for the confusion awtf. My intention was to point out the deaths per capita. Frances population at time of war was 39.6 million with 1,397,800 military dead. Russia's was 158.9 million with 1,811,000 military deaths. Russia did lose more in total. I should have been more specific. My bad.
excellent quality of footage and reading of some comments we learned nothing . A persons nation does not make any difference in life or death ,,,, there was bravery cowardice brillance and stupidity . Thats war and we are unfortunately good at it ,I honor all who fought but shun all those who gave the lives of the these men and women so easily .
upinsmoke58 4 months ago
the reason canada was in it longer is because they were with england...without the us...the whole world would be speaking german...and canadians would be singing OH JAPANADA!
McPuffins509 6 months ago
@McPuffins509 Thats freakin' funny. lol
hxcjeff 6 months ago
@McPuffins509 Not really, Japan was on the allied side in WW1. Also the war was pretty much won before the Americans even saw action.
uafchris 4 months ago
@uafchris i was refering to ww2 sorry...and dont think japan wouldnt have invaded canada if the us wouldnt have been there.....and i dont believe ww1 was really "won" by anyone....a half ass treaty with little to zero enforcement...
McPuffins509 4 months ago
@McPuffins509 *facepalm please read history before commenting
Jamesminson 4 months ago
@Jamesminson please explain??? facepalm doesnt cut it sorry....yes i know japan was an ally in ww1...i was talking ww2. it was a joke......and if you think the treaty of versailles was thoroughly enforced, just ask the ppl of austria. and the ppl of the sudetenland...and poland...and france...and russia...and even though the US was only in the war for a year, they were the main reason the war ended when it did...just "read history" and read what the german generals had to say...
McPuffins509 4 months ago
@McPuffins509 oh i apologise i thought u were referring to WW1 i accept in WW2 americans did a lot d-day and such. I was face palming because i thought u were reffering to WW1 where as you said japan was an ally and america contributed something like a 200th of the total allied forces and joine din quite close to the end of the war
Jamesminson 4 months ago
@McPuffins509
Canada and the U.S. were the two main allied forces in the war. The Canadians did some impressive stuff at Vimy ridge, and the Americans did some impressive stuff in Marne and Amiens.
TheAdjundantReflex 2 months ago
@paranoid19851 agreed
MrSnackization 8 months ago
@paranoid19851 well they both were bad in there own way.
MrSnackization 8 months ago
What is the name of the music?
R80ACMILANO 11 months ago
@R80ACMILANO Let me see if I can find it for you. It's been a while since I made this so I have forgotten the songs name. But I will look for you.
hxcjeff 11 months ago
@R80ACMILANO If you still haven't gotten it, it's from Medal of Honor Frontline. I don't remember the song name.
airsoftking12111 2 weeks ago
My Great Grandfathers father fought in this war. He was a German serving his Emperor. I believe both sides fought bravely. It is sad that we had so much in common, we had to fight each other.
coinman1909aka 1 year ago 7
@coinman1909aka I agree with you. It is sad. I respect your Grandfathers service and recognize it as well. God Bless.
hxcjeff 11 months ago
My great-grandfather came to USA from italy, and gained his citizenship fighting in france in WWI. Sadly he became a moonshiner for the mafia after the war and was shot by a rival gangster
Pooky896 1 year ago
My great-grandfather came to USA from italy, and gained his freedom fighting in france in WWI. Sadly he became a moonshiner for the mafia after the war and was shot by a rival gangster
Pooky896 1 year ago
punsh of killers
neuae 1 year ago
Jaja kurz vor Kriegsende erst eingreiffen und einen angschlagenen Kriegsmüden Gegner bezwingen...sehr ehrenvoll.
Allarich75 1 year ago
Fantastic footage.
TPK67 1 year ago
the british knows that they loose, look to Lusitania, british engagement, that the us comes and help then, WW2 the same, never trust a british people in war
melodinah 1 year ago
William "willie" Jones USA Meritorious service cross for going "over the top" in a hail of machine gun fire to save 2 Australian wounded officers He was never the same upon his return home to Anderson,sc. He died of strange lung disease he believed was from the gases used by the Germans. The shame of it all was that the Vet hospital denied his problems were from the war. This is how a hero is treated ? Sad. God bless u Willie, and thank you.
flesch317 1 year ago 5
IN MY OPION WW1 WAS WORST THAN WW2. THE ONLY REASON LIKE WW2 IS BECAUS EOF HITLER
MrSnackization 1 year ago
@MrSnackization
what? no way, hitler was reason it was so excellent
ChixRChattel 1 year ago
America should never have gotten involved in WW1 it was none of our business and it wasn't worth one American boys blood. Europeans started it they should have finished it ALONE.
cwood4ever 1 year ago 2
@cwood4ever
yeah i agree
ChixRChattel 1 year ago
Gen. J.J. Pershing and the Doughboys from all 48 States.
RM4FS 1 year ago
hhjh
dezodava 1 year ago
god bless our american troops ..then, now and forever
welcome2tx214 1 year ago
@welcome2tx214 they should stay away from there...it wasnt there war......
sdkfz162kingtiger 1 year ago
@sdkfz162kingtiger What does that even mean?
reevo53 1 year ago
I guess I should just tell my grandfather that he wasnt needed. He didnt need to lose a lung and go through the mental hardships after the war. Just another time in history when U.S tries to help, but it is never enough, never good enough. Just amazes me, I am sure that the French, Germans, English, Russians etc. all did the best to win this damn thing, but the American soldiers just didnt do that much- were in battles that didnt even matter. huh. guess we learn something everyday.
mm81gm 1 year ago
@mm81gm Why the hurt feelings? If a country is just slightly involved in a war and turns out to be not a decisive factor then why can't it be stated as such? Australia was in battles in the Pacific in WW2 that according to them did not matter. What about those Aussies that lost an arm or had to go through mental hardships after the war? Australians in the Pacific is not the reason that war was won nor was US in WW1 the reason that war was won. Simple isn't it?
ascoop22 1 year ago
@ascoop22 No, the US was not the reason this war was won. But to deny any credit to the US is a baseless, ignorant position as well.
reevo53 1 year ago 2
@reevo53 The 115,000 is total US military deaths. Over half that number were due to accidents and other causes but mainly the flu of which a large number died in the US. 53,513 is the actual battle related deaths.
I already said that I do not deny the US contribution. Why not leave a comment to other posters who take the ignorant position of not giving any credit to to the British and French for winning the war
ascoop22 1 year ago
@ascoop22 in ww1 american involvement was pretty late. in fact america might have not been involved at all if it wasnt for the germans trying to make allies with mexico to attack us as well as the sinking of the Lusitania where 100 or so american citizens died. america did contrubute in force and morale. the batterd germans fell much much faster when thousands of fresh troops stormed them. and the thought of another enemy fighting them must have been terrible.
nerain16 1 year ago
@nerain16 What do you mean they fell much faster?
Of course the thought of fighting another million man army didn't make them overwhelmingly happy.
ascoop22 1 year ago
@ascoop22 i think you just answered your own question there.
nerain16 1 year ago
@nerain16 The Germans did indeed suffer problems of moral in 1918, not only thoughts of fighting another enemy but more so the situation on the homefront and front lines due to the British blockade.
I was mistaken in first thinking that you meant that the Germans were defeated faster in the face of fresh troops.
ascoop22 1 year ago
@ascoop22
yeah but high casualties amg those who actually got up to the trenches to fight
ChixRChattel 1 year ago
I had to laugh someone is flogging a 1st world mess tin its dated 1917 just at the end of war. Typical isnt it Americans weasel in at the end of a campaign and try to claim the glory ironically the mess tin 180487256984 looks in good nick typical Americans we always have to save there skins the
BarbedHook 1 year ago
"Nobody among us will ever forget what America did" - Marshall Ferdinand Foch
so America may not have "won" the war, but without them the french and british were mega f'd they would have lost way more men stopping the germans getting to paris which they could have done but with a tremendous cost and the french army would have most like mutinied again and for real
ezzz42 1 year ago
@ezzz42 Have you ever read about the end of the war from many different historians? Why would have the British and French lost way more men than they did without the US? The US only lost 500. The British and French stopped the Gernmans everywhere else and over a much greater time and area. What is so hard to understand? The US only played a very small part in helping to stop the Germans.
ascoop22 1 year ago
so why did the americans even go then?
If france and england were so great why did they need all the supplies first and then manpower 2nd. why couldnt they have done it all on there own if they were so good? why did england and france need there colonial and territorial troops? i think ludendorff said it best when he said that as soon as american soldiers reached the front lines the war was done for germany, and it has nothing to with the yanks "being better" it was man power pure and simple
ezzz42 1 year ago
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ascoop22 1 year ago
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@ezzz42 It was not American supplies or manpower that won the war. The Germans already agreed that they were at the end of resistance and the war had to be brought to an end nearly two months before the AEF statrted their main battle of the war. The US manpower was there but did nothing on the battlefield to influence the end. Compare what Canada did with 4 Divisions to what the US did with 22 to understand the issue of US manpower and it's significance
ascoop22 1 year ago
@ascoop22 Oh and I have no idea where you are coming up with this 500 casualty bs. The US lost 115k+ in this war. Don't just ramble on and throw numbers around unless you know they are real numbers.
reevo53 1 year ago
@reevo53 You have no idea where I am coming from with the 500 casualty BS? Right before the numbers I posted is the phrase week long battle We were talking about the Battle of Third Aisne which was from May 27 to June 4 and the third offensive by the Germans spring of 1918. They are real numbers. Dont accuse others of BS without carefully reading what they have written.
ascoop22 1 year ago
If the US 2nd division wasnt where it was a French division would have been there instead and stopped the Germans like they did all along the front lines at that time.
I really dont know why you think that the French couldnt have done what the Marines did. Experience, training and tactics count for a lot in war.
ascoop22 1 year ago
During the week long battle the French took 98,000 casualties. The British 28,000 and the US only under 500. The British were sending down another 4 divisions, the French Tenth Army was still in reserve North of Paris. The Germans were exhausted, over extended and had taken 130,000 cas after coming 30 miles in a week and still had 40 miles to go. There is no way the Germans would have taken Paris
ascoop22 1 year ago
Do you think that if the French didnt make those strong counter attacks and wore down the enemy that the 2nd US division would have been fucked when they met the Germans? Its possible. No matter. Even then there were still reserves coming. 7 more French divisions arrived after the Americans got to the area. In all, 27 divisions arrived during the week by June 3 as reinforcement to hold back the Germans and only 2 were US and of the 2 only some saw action.
ascoop22 1 year ago
At the end of June 2 the French were still fighting with stiff resistance east of that line you described and inflicting heavy losses on Contas men. The French counter attack between the Marne and Ourcq badly blunted and slowed the advance of Contas Corps and gave time to move in more reserves and prepare defense positions, which the 2nd US division took advantage of.
This is critical no?
ascoop22 1 year ago
The 4 places you mentioned are all north of the Marne so how would that objective line ensure the Germans holding both sides? What about the 60 miles north of Gandelu and northwest in a big arc to a point due north of Paris and all within 40 miles?
On June 2, about 10 miles north of Gandelu and Belleau Wood the French recaptured Faverolles.
ascoop22 1 year ago
Maelfesh3, You big bad Marine gunnery Sgt where did you go? Why did you delete all your posts?
Did you scram?
ascoop22 2 years ago
French and British were not retaking lost ground they were losing it quickly and close to losing paris bud.
Without us they were fucked
maelfesh3 2 years ago
You are the only one in the world that would call the 1 mile square woods a staging area for an offensive. You have no idea of the scale of the war do you? The German offensive that started 10 days earlier had 41 divisions and 5,000 guns launched on a 25 mile front. The Germans were never going to launch an offensive from Belleau Wood and no one ever expected them to
ascoop22 2 years ago
I'm the one talking shit?
your the asshole who has the lack of class by questioning the honor and contribution of men long dead.
Of which you do not deserve the right to sniff the piss and vinegar they had.
The American experience was a much more up close and personal one than that of their European counterparts mainly because those Marines were not allowed to join the fight and had to prove themselves and they did
men like Daly.
So Go fuck yourself you stupid Canadian
and get A CLUE
maelfesh3 2 years ago
Scroll down to what I wrote 2 days ago.
Im not questioning the honor or contribution of what they did there. I know what they did better than you. Im questioning your accuracy when it comes to the Fisrt World War, 1918 in particular. I also say that you are not worthy to sniff their latrines. Dont know what you mean by the American experience was much more up close and personal than their European counterparts? Do you think there are no stories of personal bravery by others?
ascoop22 2 years ago
What do you mean those Marines were not allowed to join the fight? They were sent to clear the Germans out of the Woods. All the men from all the countries involved had to prove themselves and they all did.
ascoop22 2 years ago
yes they were not initially allowed to join in the fight.
The A.E.F. commanded by pershing was largely comprised of army
marines were used for secondary purposes such as Mp duty and the like.
It wasn't until they were desperately needed were they thrown into the lines.
The up close and personal nature I speak of was the small unit and singular action of a few good men.
Something to prove being untested in battle up to this point in the war.
maelfesh3 2 years ago
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ascoop22 2 years ago
Why not calm down and think about what you're trying to say?
ascoop22 2 years ago
i like the Medal of Honor soundtrack used in this
jesse1291 2 years ago
During the 3 week battle of Belleau Wood, a battle that was meant to expel the Germans from a 1 square mile of wood and an unnecessary battle at that, (like many of the war) the Germans attacked toward Paris 45 miles to the northwest. After an advance of 6 miles at the farthest they were stopped by the French.
ascoop22 2 years ago
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maelfesh3 2 years ago
Heavily fortified? The Germans were at Belleau Wood for 3 days at the most before French Command ordered the Americans to clear the Woods, it was not heavily fortified. In hindsight they should have cleared it themselves. The Germans loaded all of their positions with machineguns and had hundreds of miles of trenches and strongpoints that were heavily fortified and worked on for years. The British and French were the ones that went up against that.
ascoop22 2 years ago
where the Americans were and had even earlier counter attacked and regained ground 10 miles to the north. If Americans failed to hold their part of the line it would have meant a mile wide corridor and 40 miles of right and left flanks exposed in enemy territory and therefore reaching Paris was a complete impossibility. When the German 30 mile advance was stopped along a 70 mile front on June 4th they were already exhausted and over extended.
ascoop22 2 years ago
The British and French were not in full retreat. The US were slightly involved in Third Aisne and took under 500 casualties, the French 100,000, the British 28,000. Paris would never have fell without US There were too many divisions being sent to the area and the Tenth French Army was still in reserve to the Northeast of Paris. The Germans were stopped by the French to the east and north of the narrow sector
ascoop22 2 years ago
"retreat?we just barly got here"
altoids79762 2 years ago
People who say that Americans didn't do anything in ww1 are as stupid as the people saying « We should've let them fuckers burn». Real talk.
peanut2587 2 years ago
If usa had not intervened in both wars
we would be speaking german for sure.
you all can hate us,but at the end of the day it's us who you call to save your asses....
maelfesh3 2 years ago
what are you talking about? You obviously did not read my comment. If you had «Let those fuckers burn» like you say, the US would not be what it is today... And for te record, i like the USA, I just dont like ignorant people.
peanut2587 2 years ago
as for te record?
Europe as a whole,particularly France and England would be totally screwed without American intervention in both wars.
Not to mention the rest of Europe would be screwed if they actually had to pay for defense of their borders during the cold war.
If we got back the money we spent keeping them safe we wouldn't have a deficit.Clean the shit out of your own backyard before you comment about ours.
but what would you know you are canadian....
maelfesh3 2 years ago
You don't know what you are talking about. Your argumentation is totally wrong. Are you writing me from your trailer park home? I think you should worry about the Iraqi shit you are in.. even though you are the most powerful army in the world, the quality of your soldiers is poor... just look how you got your ass beat in Vietnam! And Canadians are better educated than americans, that is just a fact... Do you study in something? Tell me, do you know where Africa is on a map?
peanut2587 2 years ago
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maelfesh3 2 years ago
Unfortunately, as much as i respect the U.S. Armed Forces, you are not the best army the the world, regarding the quality of the soldiers. You have the most hi-tech army, but definetly not the best soldiers ''hands down''. And civilians do not count in a kill ratio... VC did not have a 5 million men army...
You should realize it is operations like vietnam and Iraq that cause the decline of American power. Imperialistic Overexpansionism. WW1 and WW2 were necessary. Vietnam and Iraq were not.
peanut2587 2 years ago
Those numbers you cited are hardly impressive considering we were waging war on one of the poorest nations in the world at the time.
fieldthrasher 2 years ago
you know what you are correct, Canadians speak properly without all the trashy american slang. americans are arrogant and they think they are the smartest as idiviauals. but that is also their ignorance. and yes we had our asses handed to us in Nam'
JRussoBuffaloNY 2 years ago
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maelfesh3 2 years ago
Maelfesh3. Could you please explain, lets pretend the British and French had no idea of enemy strength, why Americans would be sent to Belleau Wood? Do you know something about Americans that no one else knows?
If enemy strength was unknown why would they send the Americans? Is it kind of like the Soviets clearing mine fields with prisoners? There were a lot of Americans back then, still are. You saying Americans were expendable or just stupid?
ascoop22 2 years ago
If I ever happen to be in the to vicinity Ill tell your grandfather his grandson talks shit.
By the way Maelfesh. There is no shame or discredit to anyone in discovering historical facts. The British, even though they fought with their Pacific Fleet, dont claim they are the main reason the war against the Japanese was won. Neither should Americans when it comes to WW1.
ascoop22 2 years ago
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maelfesh3 2 years ago
What does Belleau Wood have to do with me shitting my pants? I never said the Marines in WW1 were pussies and I dont care if you are a Marine and if you shit your pants. Im not trying to kick dirt on what happened at Belleau Wood but you do have some facts wrong and misconceptions. All Im saying is that it was not a pivotal battle that changed anything on the western front or saved Paris.
ascoop22 2 years ago
I do say that the Marines fought bravely but they didnt do anything at the Wood that the French or British couldnt have done. Thats not disgracing the Marines, just a fact. The French in other places were retaking lost ground and beating back another German offensive during the small battle of Belleau Wood. BW wasnt the only action happening at the time and its outcome wasnt decisive on winning or losing the war. Just a matter of who would hold the woods.
ascoop22 2 years ago
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maelfesh3 2 years ago
you are right, I put more thought into my intial statement and not the secondary one. Take Care!
JRussoBuffaloNY 2 years ago
@maelfesh3 if the us didnt enter world war one the allies would have most likely still one
Zure467 2 years ago
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maelfesh3 2 years ago
im not saying they didnt contribute cause yes without america's supplies they most likely wouldnt have won but im tired of american running around saying we do everything and win all wars cause its not true im american myself
Zure467 2 years ago
Ludendorffs big push at Chateau Thierry?
50 German Divisions attacking on a 50 mile front can in no way be called a big push at Chateau Thierry. It was only a small town, not 50 miles long. It was also the French 30th Division that at was at Chateau Thierry, no matter, a bit to the east was the US 3rd Division. There were 42 French divisions, 2 british, 2 Italian and 3 US divisions involved. Another French Division would have filled in if a US division didnt.
ascoop22 2 years ago
The german objective for June 2 was embodied IN conta's order to reach thre line Gandelu-Marigny-Bouresches-Vaux,which would push the center of the advance west-southwest,beyond Bellau wood and ensure german forces would hold both sides of the marne as they continued their push toward paris.
This is critical no?
maelfesh3 2 years ago
USA lost 26,000 dead in the Meuse-Argonne, almost entirely in the 3 weeks 9/26-10/15 1918. You're right, peanut. The Doughboys did their part.
egl2r 2 years ago
Maelfesh I Wish I Could Give You More Than 1 Thumb Up......We Should Have Let Them Fuckers Burn..
babcock3613 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
the americans didn't do shit in ww1 the canadians had more experience than them at that time.
2firefighting2 2 years ago
Yeah, the Americans did arrive late in that war. Much due to the Presidents own precautious attitude and beliefs. To hold that against the men though is foolish. They fought bravely and did what they were told to do. My great grandfather and great uncle were there...on the front. It was no walk in the park for them as well. There are many books detailing the American battles. Find them and read them.
hxcjeff 2 years ago 15
Settle Down.
2firefighting2 2 years ago
@hxcjeff My great uncle was killed in France.
FalconKPD 1 year ago
@hxcjeff
Don't blame your president. It's American thinking, though and through. "It's somebody else's problem until it's on our doorstep, regardless of what we SAY we belive".
harlequin2262 1 year ago
@2firefighting2 And you have no combat experience AT ALL. Let the adults talk and go play COD.
owl1970 1 year ago
@2firefighting2 maybe because WW1 was a retarded war with absolutely no reason to get involved?
temperex 1 year ago
@2firefighting2
Yes, that was because Canada was still Britain's bitch at the time, whereas the U.S. had broken free about 150 years previous.
Verbeke7 1 year ago
@2firefighting2 If the americans did not arrive in france the germans would have taken Parris. My great grandfather died in Belleau Wood. My grandfather grew up never knowing his dad. So fuck off. By the way the only reason canada was in ww1 is because they were to big of pussys to not be a part of the brittish.
jpmeyer95 1 year ago
@2firefighting2 If it was not for the united states in ww2 the brittish would have been beaten and you would have been under control of the nazis and we would of had to save your ass
jpmeyer95 1 year ago 3
@2firefighting2 the United States lost almost twice as many men in ww1 than canada lost.
jpmeyer95 1 year ago
@jpmeyer95 which makes it all the more depressing, seeing as Canada was in it for like, 3 times longer than you guys were.
I'm not trying to start a whole flame war and I'm not some canadian troll so let me just sum up.
Canada and the US both contributed to the war effort.
Both suffered casualties and injuries.
That sucks.
Can't we all agree on that?
lipnoodle117 1 year ago
Yeah and the heroic Americans fought very bravely for the last months of the war...
burnaby360 3 years ago
Yes indeed. The First World War was a quagmire of death and misery.
hxcjeff 3 years ago
40 million dead is TERRIBLE. if you think about it, imagine how many children were fatherless, imagine how many wives were widows, imagine how many families were displaced from their homes that were destroyed. War is hell, although I cannot say this because I have never experienced it.But by the outcome, I pray war ends
aWTFproduction 3 years ago
A truthful summarization. And as terrible a thing as it is, it continues to capture my imagination with the wonder and skeptical of it all. The French lost more than any country in WW1. So many in fact that it is believed not just one but nearly two generations of French were wiped out. The younger 17 to 25 and the older 26 to 35. Sad.
hxcjeff 3 years ago
I think the russians did. but yes, this was a terrible, useless war
aWTFproduction 3 years ago
Sorry for the confusion awtf. My intention was to point out the deaths per capita. Frances population at time of war was 39.6 million with 1,397,800 military dead. Russia's was 158.9 million with 1,811,000 military deaths. Russia did lose more in total. I should have been more specific. My bad.
hxcjeff 3 years ago
damn...thats alote of people.158.9 million.
aWTFproduction 3 years ago
yep......a ton!
hxcjeff 3 years ago
@aWTFproduction not this war, ALL wars!
this was a conflict between austro-hungary and serbia...look what happend then.....
sdkfz162kingtiger 1 year ago
cool ...
i'm now studying the wars...
hell... it was hell :P really :(
dpsantos1994 3 years ago