Riz Khan -Palestinian - Israeli debate -12 May 08-Pt 1

[Dannydid11]

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[Dannydid11]

Our goal is to bring Israelis and Palestinians to shake hands

[virtus601]

Happy birthday Israel.

Canada stands behind ya! = )

[kao9454]

guys lets make a country called isratine

[shadowofears]

The Jews are making new settlements in Gaza Area..The only peace they want is that Palestine shouldnot resist while kicking them out

[doritela2008]

@shadowofears

israel isnt building settelments in gaza...... STOP LIEING!!!!

[shadowofears]

@doritela2008 yes they are please read the news.Even resolution condemning New settlements was Veto by United States

[doritela2008]

@shadowofears

no they dont. You are talking about the west bank not gaza. Israel left gaza in 2005. All the settelments are now in the west bank. So get your facts straight

[shadowofears]

@doritela2008 Does that make any difference?

[doritela2008]

@shadowofears

YES. I agree that they are both illegal but still saying that we are reoccupying Gaza is a lie and saying that we keep building in the west bank is not a lie. the LIE is the difference

[shadowofears]

@doritela2008 okay

[shadowofears]

The Jews are making new settlements in Gaza Area..The only peace that want is that Palestine shouldnot resist while kicking them out

[hhaassaann134]

what a beautiful smile at 6:55 from the red head, "wohoo im on tv"! This isnt american idol sweetheart

[douginamerica]

Of course it is Anti-Zionism. Who can support that idea?

It is one thing to defend morality, it is another thing to defend immorality and then ask the suffering party to stop resisting and fighting for what belongs to them.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica I never asked anyone to stop anything. It would have been nice if the Palestinians had accepted the partition plan back in 1948, accepted more land than the Jews would have gotten, and saved everyone 60+ years of misery, but that was their choice.

I know you clowns like to complain that supposedly any time someone is anti-Zionist, they're slurred as being anti-Semitic. But I wonder if you attack all forms of "racism" like this, or focus solely on Zionism as your main target..

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

And I know jack-asses like you want world peace when it benefits Israel. When Israel is backed by a world power, the US, then of course it can stretch its might. What you want the Palestinians to accept is extortion. Their lands were taken and now in the interest of "world misery", they should accept. I know you jack-asses don't want to be labeled fascist and anti-Palestinian, but that is what it seems like.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica You didn't refute any of my points but that's ok; I didn't expect you to, sweetheart :)

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

You had no point. It is like how you recreated my original words into your fiction.

The sad part is my original posts....ARE STILL HERE. I hope your delusions don't crack one day. Good luck with that.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica Much success in your continued selective and hypocritical anti-Zionism, skippy. Am Yisrael Chai, whether you like it or not.

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

"selective and hypocritical Anti-Zionism"? How is it selective? I am against Zionism. Do you even know what you are typing? You can be for Israel, but then the Palestinians can be for Palestine. And so there is the conflict because neither side is willing to quit.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica I do not dispute the Palestinians have suffered and are suffering. You speak about Israel as if it commits genocide, yet I somehow doubt you speak out against Darfur, for example, or the treatment of Tibet, or the government of Iran (and for the protestors and youth), if you care so much about humans or human rights. That is why you are selective.

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

So then by your logic the Israeli situation is similar to Darfur, Tibet and Iran?

You do not dispute the Palestinian grievances and yet you are a Zionist? Do you have bi-polar problems? What you are proposing is a simple form of Zionist hate speech: I must fight communist China in order to prove that Zionists have no committed a moral crime. Sorry that is a fallacy. THIS VIDEO concerns Israel-Palestine. An Israeli is so obsessed with having the land they ignore everything.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica Who said I'm Israeli, you jackass?

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

LOL...right. You are not an Israeli but write: Am Yisrael Chai

That just means you are different than Muslim extremists, a-hole.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica So only Israelis can write "Am Yisrael Chai," you stupid cock?

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

Interesting choice of words. So, a Arab Muslim would choose "Am Tisrael Chai"?

Lets be quite clear, you are Jewish and you sympathize with the Israeli cause.

You are an admitted Zionist.

So who are you fooling ass?

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica Jewish and Zionist doesn't not make one an Israeli, fool. How stupid are you?

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

LOL...no it does not. There are plenty of Jews who are not Zionists. But you are a Zionist and Jewish. It is nothing against you, you just have an immoral belief system.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica And there are many non-Jews who are Zionists. My belief system is just fine, thanks. It's not my fault the Palestinians said no to the Partition Plan, sweetheart.

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

Yeah because they don't want to get extorted. No it is not your fault princess because you were not there. It is the Israeli's fault. There are not many non-Jew Zionists, that is bull. Just admit what you are. You are a Zionist and Jewish.

Your kind of thinking is fascist and it is based on a very problematic flaw. It is the belief the Palestinians will continue to take what the Israeli's give them. It is only a matter of time before they get better weapons.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica There are "not many non-Jew Zionists"? That is "bull"?

Have you never heard of the Christian evangelical movement, you stupid ass? Move along. You're embarrassing yourself.

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

Yep and they are not Zionists, you buffoon. You have embarrassed yourself. You can not even admit you are Jewish.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica Sorry, sweetheart; the damage is done. I feel bad for you.

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

Good luck with that princess. If you want to be proud of immoral behavior, great.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica Good luck with which princess? Why do I need luck with a princess?

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

The Zionist princess of immorality, of course. You admit to doing damage. And so you admit the guilt.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica Not really. After all, it wasn't me that turned down the UN Partition Plan of 47 that would have avoided all the bloodshed of the last 60+ years, my friend :)

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

You mean they should give into extortion from the Israelis? They Zionists could have stayed in Europe buddy, problems would have been avoided. Since Europe is a bastion of democracy and freedom, I wonder why the Zionists wanted to leave in the first place?

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica Well, you can't ask them because they were burned up in the ovens of Nazi Europe, but try to take a guess, idiot.

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

So they burned up...and there are no more Zionists?

Wow...ass, if all the Zionists were "burned up in the ovens of Nazi Europe", how did so many make it to Palestine?

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica Many already lived there (see the Hebron Massacre of 1929), many of the survivors from the Nazi Holocaust fled after to Palestine, and many Jews from Islamic countries, which did not take part in the atrocities also went there and were the first Zionists. But what am I doing trying to use reason with a jackass bigot like yourself?

[douginamerica]

The solution is quite simple. Create a Palestinian state that and then create a DMZ between Palestine and Israel. The DMZ should be monitored the UN, US, Israel and the Palestinians. Give the Palestinians an access to the sea for shipping and trade. Eventually there will be attacks between Palestinians and Israel, but at least with states there will be real penalties. With a people with a state there will always be a change for a gorilla war.

[MeroShinShimatsu]

@josh if you see the death toll, there's a higher death rate in the arab side

[lulz666f]

All that is needed for peace.

1. Israel quits acting like the spoiled brat of the world, and quits feeling entitled to more shit that it doesn't deserve. Also, Israel needs to stop using covert ops and Western connections as means to bully its neighbors.

2. Israel leaves the occupide lands.

3. A seperate, INDEPENDENT, Palestinian state is formed.

The end. Problem solved. Granted, it'll never happen in my lifetime, but still. LOL

[TARASTWO2]

first of all, you can't call what happened in gaza a war.when one side[Israel] is armed with the most sophisticated weapons that the United states can provide,tanks,fighter jets,helocopter and ,missiles,and they use all those weapons against a captive population,yes the palestinians are living in open air concentration camps,they can't come or go,or hide,and israel goes in and kills them, for speaking out agaist this holocaust being perpatrated agaist the palestinians of gaza..

[dmlauffer]

By "US provides" do you mean the aid Israel gets, mostly in loans, the majority of which comes back to the US in investment? yea the aid argument is a farce. Israel exports a lot of military technology. I grew up right outside of Gaza, and most of the claims against Israel are about as factual as a Michael Moore movie.

[mrjamest2000]

@TARASTWO2 They were firing rockets and sending suicide bombers into Israel as wekll.

[IBeatUpThugs]

@TARASTWO2 Chill out drama queen.

[ballsauce666]

the israeli redhead is dumber than a rock.

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[ballsauce666]

Why are there hundreds of Palestinian children in israeli ADULT prisons?!

Since torture and inhumane treatment of Palestinian children is normal practice for these demented israelis, can you imagine what horrors these children go through in the israeli adult prisons?!

Can you imagine what rage and anger stirs in the parents and family of these children?!

Beatings, torture and rape for throwing rocks at israeli land thieves.

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[EagleGhost117]

This is where change is going to come from, the YOUTH!

[ChorniyKot]

hear to song : TACT All Stars - Peace in the Middle East

:>>>>video hk88e3TMOkg

Are Palestinians have songs to wish for Peace??????????????????????

[ballsauce666]

Shadia Mansour is excellent.

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[iconnumber1]

@ChorniyKot A song doesn't make bad dreams go away, it doesn't even shut out the sound of gunshots... no really it doesn't

[ChorniyKot]

so tell Hamas to stop shots!!

[Lawlow1978]

Saying this war is about the refusal of the palestinians to accept a jewish state is a cop out. How can you or anyone else say that when Israel has NEVER attempted a fair deal.

Dont try and preach that bullshit to me about how arabs just hate jews and thats that... Take that shit to an audience who will buy it, there was once a time when i bought into it but not anymore, not since i took the time to look into whats REALLY happening

[aitanmelman]

what the Palestinians are seeking, there can be no "right" to establish a dictatorship.

Those Arabs who abandoned their land in order to join the military crusade against Israel forfeited all right to their property. And if there are any peaceful Arabs who were forcibly evicted from their property, they may press their claims in the courts of Israel, which, unlike the Arab autocracies, has an independent, objective judiciary -- a judiciary that recognizes the principle of property rights.

[Lawlow1978]

Show me where this forfeiture of property is in the geneva war convention code u jackass

[aitanmelman]

The Palestinians want to annihilate Israel, while Israel wants simply to be left alone. If there is a moral failing on Israel's part, it consists of its reluctance to take stronger military measures.

Only Israel has a moral right to establish a government in that area -- on the grounds, not of some ethnic or religious heritage, but of a secular, rational principle. Only a state based on political and economic freedom has moral legitimacy.

[Lawlow1978]

Your right, Israel wants to be left alone WHILE THEY STEAL more and more land... dont forget that part !

Israel isnt based on moral and econimic freedom just read about how it treats its soldiers who refuse to fight based on their moral objection. And on the economic side you must mean based on the economic stranglehold of the palestinians because thats what they've done since it's inception.

[asafapple]

While "They steal more land"?

Ha ha right! Why did Israel return the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt for Peace when they could have used that for military bases, oil, access to the sea, and countless other reasons.

The land Israel "occupied" was due to the reason that the Arabs kept using these lands as a base ground to attack Israel.

I can't believe how one-sided you are. It's obvious Israel has been the victim since day 1 and is fighting for her life.

[Lawlow1978]

THEY STEAL LAND EVERYDAY. Dont talk about the Sinai Peninsula. The sinai wasnt a gift u retard it was payment for peace with Egypt. Read a little!! Besides they'd never dare keep it, US pressure and guaranteed future war over it with egypt, which was the strongest middle eastern armed force and therefore biggest threat to israel ensured israel would never keep it.

so erase this idea from your head okay. im tired of this sinai peninsula bullshit being brought up from countless israeli apologists

[asafapple]

Of course it wasn't a a gift idiot! My point was that Israel was willing to give back this land which could have been very beneficial for them and they returned it to Egypt for peace!

Israel would keep whatever land it wants to stay safe. Israel "occupied" this land in a war that was initiated by its Arab neighbors.

It's funny to me how you over analyze Israel when the truth is right in front of you. You will never be able to justify the Palestinians' acts. Never.

[aitanmelman]

All Arab citizens who are genuinely concerned with human rights should, as their very first action, seek to oust their own despotic rulers and adopt the type of free society that characterizes Israel.

The land Israel is "occupying" was captured in a war initiated by its Arab neighbors. Like any victim of aggression, Israel has a moral right to control as much land as is necessary to safeguard itself against attack.

[Lawlow1978]

Israel began by occupying land, THEN the Arabs attacked... which is their full right to do in defense of the palestinians. Then Israel won.

That doesnt mean the Palestinians dont have a right to continue to stake a claim on their occupied lands u jackass....

[asafapple]

In defense of the Palestinians?? Are you kidding me??? Piror to the creation of Israel over a million Jews were persecuted and kicked off their lands! Prior to 1967 who do you think controlled the land that was given the "Palestinians". That's right. Jordan and Egypt Illegally took control of these areas after Israel won the war! Palestinians are the only people in history living in refugee camps under their own leadership!

The Arab world would not tolerate a neighboring Jewish State.

[aitanmelman]

Israel is the only free country in a region dominated by Arab monarchies, theocracies and dictatorships. It is only the citizens of Israel -- Arabs and Jews alike -- who enjoy the right to express their views, to criticize their government, to form political parties, to publish private newspapers, to hold free elections. When Arab authorities deny the most basic freedoms to their own people, it is obscene for them to start claiming that Israel is violating the Palestinians' rights.

[aitanmelman]

Who are you to blame Israel idiot! Israel has faced 5 wars in the last 60 years against its Arab neighbors and won!

Prior to 1967 who do you think illegally controlled the West Bank and the Gaza Strip??!! That's right. Jordan and Egypt! Illegally!

Palestinians are the only people in history living in refugee camps under their own leadership.

If Hammas cared about self preservation they would not shoot the rockets from civilian populated areas such as schools and hospitals!

[Lawlow1978]

im tired of hearing from the israeli and pro-israeli side about the palestinians turning down the deal from camp david.. it was a one sided deal that no one in their right mind would accept. So tired! move the fuck on

[aitanmelman]

What are you talking about idiot do you even know the camp David peace plan??

because this is what Palestinians feel, that makes that argument somehow an irrefutable demand. But this is a criticism of Palestinians as a whole, not the Israeli leadership for offering a peace deal - any peace deal is preferable to current condition of state-less constant war, death, and rule by terrorist organizations.

[Lawlow1978]

Yes i know the David peace plan, it was a plan where the Palestinians forever give Israel the best land, water rights and economic superiority over them.... in other words securing Israel as the Palestinian's overlord.

i would think the palestinians would have gone mad if they signed such a deal. If Arafat would have signed that deal he should and would have been shot as a traitor. And rightfully so!!!!

[asafapple]

You illustrate well the moral bankruptcy of the argument when you claim that Arafat would have been assassinated for signing an inadequate peace agreement. You imply that because this is what Palestinians feel, that makes that argument somehow an irrefutable demand. But this is a criticism of Palestinians as a whole, not the Israeli leadership for offering a peace deal - any peace deal is preferable to current condition of state-less constant war, death, and rule by terrorist organizations.

[Lawlow1978]

Right.. moral bankruptcy?? so i should ignore the suffering of millions of palestinians for the past 60 years from the extreme side, those who died to the more everyday suffering of living in squaller and be nice to Arafat if he took it upon himself to sign a deal that would continue this lifestyle FOREVER??? who's morally bankrupt my friend YOU ARE!! your denial of basic human rights of a people and your ignorance of their feelings and aspirations is whats morally bankrupt.

[asafapple]

Israel is the only free country in a region dominated by Arab monarchies, theocracies and dictatorships. It is only the citizens of Israel -- Arabs and Jews alike -- who enjoy the right to express their views, to criticize their government, to form political parties, to publish private newspapers, and to hold free elections. When Arab authorities deny the most basic freedoms to their own people, it is obscene for them to start claiming that Israel is violating the Palestinians' rights.

[asafapple]

No one is ignoring the suffering of anyone - except maybe the Arab world is for its own people. But blindly blaming Israel for the situation the Palestinians are in is ridiculous. They are the only people in history living in refugee camps under their own people.

To call the militant Palestinians "freedom fighters" - when they support the subjugation of their own people, when they deliberately murder children in the streets or gleefully praise such depravity - is a mind-numbing perversion.

[asafapple]

Prior to 1948 over a million Jews were kicked off their lands and persecuted through out the Arab World! You don't see them crying today! Can you honestly justify Palestinians putting their children through such lives as a result of their grudge against Israel? To deny anti-semtism in the Arab world while every tv show, radio station, news papers, etc. are filled with anti-Jewish propaganda is laughable. Claiming this hate against Israel is due to "treatment of Palestinians" is bogus.

[Lawlow1978]

asafapple i will shut down any argument u make on israel's behalf, not because i am smarter but because i have the truth behind me. U have only baseless propaganda.

i was once on the side of israel and was angry at palestinian actions, but once i looked into it for myself i saw the truth.

[ilovemusic555]

Jordan is also part of "Palestine" and the majority of it are "Palestinians" and it's 3, 4 times bigger than Israel.

"They fight for everything cause they have nothing"

If they lost all hope and there war is justified why do they have to brainwash their children and spread anti-Jewish propaganda through out the Arab world? You say what we say is propaganda. Why don't you go see the propaganda being shown on tv to Palestinians children. In schools, on the radio. It's child abuse!

[dedrat0]

And important disctinction should be made between anti-Isreali sentiments, and anti-semitism. Propaganda or not, not all arabs are raised to be biggots, in fact I'd say that's a small minority.

I think you fail to realize the source of the "propaganda". Imagine being uprooted from your home, losing the rights to your property, and being delegated to a refugee camp for the rest of your life. Would it be propaganda to tell your Children to fight to contradict that injustice?

[ilovemusic555]

Yes It will!

Indulging the lie that Palestinians are oppressed by Israel while completely ignoring that in fact the Palestinians are victims of their own corrupt leadership who support the subjugation of their own people, who deliberately murder children in the streets or gleefully praise such depravity is more than irrational, it's down right criminal on your behalf and further shows your lack of educating on this ongoing conflict.

[asafapple]

And what are you talking about "all the good land"?? Jordan is also a part of "Palestine" and the majority of it are "Palestinians"! The Palestinians already have a country. That's why prior to 1967 when Egypt and Jordan illegally controlled the Gaza Strip and the West Bank they didn't even look in the way of creating another "Palestinian State". So what is this war about? land? Or the refusal of ignorant savages who won't tolerate a neighboring Jewish State!

[Lawlow1978]

when jordan had control of the west bank there was no real consorted effort by palestinians for independence, at least not any that had any wheels behind it, the palestinian independence movement was in its infancy, prior to that it was only fighting back against a country that STOLE land and kicked people out, Jordan didnt do that... it was a different time u cannot compare it to today and use it as some sort of anti-jewish "gotcha" shit

[asafapple]

Ha ha ha are you kidding me??????????????

That is the most ridiculous response I have ever gotten! You just proved what a hypocrite you are!

"it was different time u cannot compare it to today and use it..." ha ha ha the Palestinians are using what happened 60 years ago to justify their terror and refusal to make peace with Israel! Ha ha ha are you kidding me?? Just like any Arab, only brings up the history that suits his "political" views.

[Lawlow1978]

WRONG asshole

The palestinian's main arguement is of their living conditions TODAY, and what takes place TODAY.

The topic of what the fuck happened 60 years ago only comes up in response to assholes like u who bring it up and then say the palestinians bring it up.

The hypocrite is YOU.

[asafapple]

The Palestinians argument is that they will not be satisfied until Israel is destroyed. The way Palestinians are living today is due to their leaders which the caner that is killing them, not Israel. You see that with the lack of interest or actually no interest on the behalf of the Palestinians to make peace with Israel. When Palestinians choose to sacrifice their children and themselves to act upon this belief they're choosing to continue this war.

[JoshGreenlafa]

Even if what you speak of is "true" and the Jews really did this horrible thing by "kicking the Palestinians off their lands".

Can you honestly justify all the wars and killing that have taken place in the last 60 years as a response to 1948? I can assure you that 7 Arab countries did not attack Israel in 1948 over "kicking out Palestinians". In fact you can research the article in which the Arab nations plan to attack and send messages for Palestinians in Israel to leave their homes.

[Lawlow1978]

Yes i honestly can justify all the wars! how can someone not? Who in their right mind as long as you have able bodied men gives up? their not just simply losing a slab of land, their losing EVERYTHING. They fight for everything.. because they have nothing.

Arab nations did call for the palestinians to flee with the oncoming Arab assault but what does this have to do with ANYTHING?? Explain why u brought this up. Are u using this fact to make up your own international laws based on your feelings?

[asafapple]

Are you honestly that mentally challenged with your history?

What have the Surrounding Arab countries lost exactly? Israel is one tiny nation living amongst 22 huge Arab countries. So if you're justifying the Palestinians and Arab world's war over getting kicked out I'm justifying Israels war over the 1 million Jews that were kicked out and persecuted of Arab countries prior to 1948. It's ridiculous a ridiculous argument on your behalf.

[tal32123]

@JoshGreenlafa umm and how did the arabs get the land in the first place? by killing the romans, and how did the romans get it? by killing the Jews. its all corrupt, just get a government that works for everyone and just live in it who cares what its name is as long as it works.

[skabudaw1]

@JoshGreenlafa

you speak of this as its some vague super-complicated quantum rocket science...

YES THEY DID KICK THEM OUT, AND TOOK THIER LAND, GET OVER IT

[douginamerica]

@JoshGreenlafa

So something immoral such as kicking out Palestinians should be ignored and the killing of Israeli soldiers/people is a greater crime? At the least, the Palestinians should be given compensation.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica They were offered compensation (and a homeland of 93% of what they claim they want) and turned it down in 2001, choosing violence as a response (not even giving a counterproposal). What the hell do you want?

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

Well that just shows that the Palestinians don't want extortion. If you want someone else's land, and then use force to gain it and then after offer to pay "compensation", then that is extortion. The compensation the Palestinians want is their lands back from European Jews. The European Jews have used the racist European ideas against Palestinians and Arabs,

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica Extortion, like refusing compromise and then turning to violence to extort the other side to giving in more? Is that the extortion you're referring to?

Please do not talk to me about "racist European ideas against Palestinians" etc. The Arab (and Persian) Muslims really shouldn't start that debate if they want to keep their heads up.

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

Extortion like ...taking someone else's land and then suing for compromise. That type of extortion. You know the type where it is the case of either you take what we give you or the hell with you. I think the Palestinians should bring up European racism because it was the Germans, Russians and French who were racist and anti-Semitic. It was the Germans who slaughtered the Jews and forced them out and then further created the idea of racial superiority for the Jews to follow.

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica Not according to (the Muslim) Ahmadinejad.

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

How about according to Zionism which at one point wanted to create a state in Uganda?

LOL.....kick out the Africans and create a land for themselves, forget everyone else and just take what you can, is it?

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica When were the Africans kicked out of their land? Are you on crack?

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

Are you the one on crack? You do know that was one of the places the Zionist had chosen? That it was a dividing line? Wow you will defend Zionism to the very end huh?

[ErikPaulsonFan]

@douginamerica You claimed Israel took to European racism because it "wanted to kick out the Africans" in Uganda. I responded by asking you if that ever happened. Rather than admit that it didn't, and that you've stooped to attacking Israel for things that she hasn't even done, you've ignored the obvious answer and asked more questions. This is essentially anti-Zionism.

And yes, I'll defend Zionism to the very end.

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

No I mentioned as per Zionism. Rather than read what I wrote, you have just replaced it with your bias. You mentioned Ahmadinejad. I mentioned Zionism and racism and Uganda. You should admit Zionism is racist. They kicked out Palestinians and took their land. You can defend it, but it is wrong. You not only embarrassed yourself, but just lost this attempt to distract.

[douginamerica]

@ErikPaulsonFan

And here is a source:

"CHOMSKY: Yes. It's part of European culture to have racist attitudes toward the Third World, including us, we're part of Europe in that respect. Naturally the Jewish community shared the attitudes of the rest of Europe, not surprising. There certainly are such things inside Israel. "

(.chomsky.info/books/dissent01­.htm)

[marneyplue]

@JoshGreenlafa same goes for the other side of the camp. can you also honestly justify the killings and abuse of Jewish gangs and the Israeli army to innocent Palestinians?

[Hollywood101N]

Rotten Stinky Camels deserve Rat-Poison Nails in their faces, and for Jews to wipe their asses with those sashes they wear!

[AllepMrSONY]

To me, it's obvious that religion is what's browsing peace processess from taking action.

Hamas and the zionist party of Israel, are two faces for the same coin.

They probably work together, against UN, other civil rights organisations, etc... so that they can continue their pointless religious war, where civilians are suffering.

The muslim lands are no democracys, and Israel, on the other hand, is a shame for democracy, (s.c. democracy).

Both sides are disgusting and ANTI-liberal.

[Kissmyassisrael]

The llegitimate state of Israel will never exist in peace, Palestinians will never acknowledge israel and the swords of Palestine will not be lowered until all of Palestine is free... DEATH TO ISRAEL DEATH TO ZIONISM .... FALESTEEEN YA FALESTEEN! ILA ALQUDS!

[Sefardi123]

ANYONE crying "Boo-Hoo poor innocent Palestinains" MUST remmeber Hamas was VOTED in by a 67% majority - THEN search and watch (if Justice is what you care for) the YouTube vid below:

Hamas and the stages of the destruction of Israel

[reyy619]

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i dont understand your point.

[Sefardi123]

reyy619

The point is that these people reveal their true intentions by their ACTIONS:

1) Palestinains voted the party of HAMAS by a 67% majority - and Iranian-funded Hamas calls for the annihilation of Israel.

2) The Palestinains have REJECTED an indeendent state in 2000, because they insist on getting EVERYTHING. As you can see in the vid "Hamas and the stages of the destruction of Israel" all their talk about "negotiations" and "justice" are aimed to GRADUALLY destroy Israel, not for peace.

[reyy619]

1) the voted for hamas because they want a islamic state and because fatah became a traitor..of course they want someone new..they want the land back that was stolen from them!!

2) hamas has a right to destroy israel..look at it like this..

you own a house..a burglar comes in and just robs the house and says its his house now..and when you call the police they say "cant you just live in the basement and let the burglar live in rest of the house?" NO! hamas as a 6month cease fire treaty btw!

[Sefardi123]

reyy

1) NO ONE has the right to destroy Israel except for God - and if you look at the unbelievably miraculous survival of this TINY state surrounded by enemies 100 times bigger, that should tell you where God is... Which is EXACTLY why Iran and its lap-dog Hamas wish to destroy Israel: As long as it exists, they have no faith they take the WORLD in a WORLD-JIHAD!

2) Arabs ROBBED Israel from Rome/Byzantium, who ROBBED it from the Jews. The original owner has come to take back his property!

[reyy619]

your honestly telling arabs to sit back and let israel take all of its land???? your a filthy joke..

where ever there is a occupation there will be a resistance!!!

[Sefardi123]

reyy -Why are you cursing? Maybe it's because your argument is too weak?

ARAB MUSLIMS believe in the Quran. The Quran is based on the JEWISH BIBLE. The Muslims OWE THE JEWS THEIR RELIGION. In the Bible, God declares the land of Israel as an ETERNAL INHERITANCE belonging to the JEWS. In the Quran itself, it is acknowledged that Israel belongs to the Jews. NOW - if the Arabs want to honestly follow their religion, they MUST RESPECT the Jews' right to Israel.

*** See YouTubevid:?v=_Exbq0jsMMA

[reyy619]

yes..i have nothing against a jewish homeland!! i am against the PRESENT day israel..if they simply paid the arabs alot of money for the land..and helped them move to saudi arabia..pakistan..ect i would not deny it..but the PRESENT day israel does not do that does it?

they threaten arab countries who dont agree with them..and when countries tell them they wont lick israels boot then israel goes crying to america..so YOUR argument is weak..not mine..

[Sefardi123]

reyy,your suggestion that Jews pay Arabs in Israel to move out is interesting! It's NOT a FAIR solution,since it has been the Will of GOD to give Israel to the Jews FOREVER(and the Quran itself agrees!). However when Jews returned to Israel they DID start BUYING their land from Arabs, until Arab started attacking & killing them! Still, your offer would be the most practical. Israel is not rich enough now, but maybe other countries can chip-in and pay Arabs to move out. That would be great!

[Sefardi123]

reyy, maybe the Iranians and Saudis, who pay money for suicide bombers - if they REALLY care about the Palestinians as their "brothers" - maybe THEY TOO would chip in to help Palestinains start a new and better life elsewhere, instead of USING the Palestinains as Chess pawns to try and destroy Israel. Why destroy Israel? We spoke about it already:Israel's MIRACULOUS SURVIVAL proves that God Almighty is with the Jews, and as long as Israel stands, fanatics have no confidence to start world-Jihad.

[Sefardi123]

DID YOU watch the youtube vid "Jihad On The West"?

[reyy619]

i think i have seen it before.

[reyy619]

i support paying suicide bombers.

and why would they chip in...it would be cheaper to just destroy israel..and palestinians need to stop throwing rocks and get suicide bomb belts..or atleast a gun...because israel wont blow itself up..but i HIGHLY dislike killing civilians..its wrong..

[Sefardi123]

YOUR OWN QURAN ADMITS that GOD ALMIGHTY has given Israel to the Jews FOREVER. ?

PROOF:this vid: "Zak Anani, Former Muslim Terrorist's Journey to Christ-P2"

And you "support suicide bombers???"

If you go against the Will of God, then WHAT DO YOU WORSHIP - God - or your PRIDE???

In the NAME of God - you go AGAINST His Will???

[reyy619]

what verses are you talking about?...

and islam allows suicide bombings..so i dont see your point...suicide bombings in the name of god are halal...given the criteria..

[Sefardi123]

reyy - if you bother to watch the youtube vid I just gave you, you will see the verses.

But if you need verses in a book to know it is WRONG and AGAINST GOD to destroy innocent people, then you should take a serious look at yourself.

[pandora7891]

That isn't true. The verse you are referring to states that when you go and fight in a battle knowing you will die and fight anyway. Suicide is haram. It's these sort of ignorant statements that make muslims look bad/

[reyy619]

do you even know the islamic Definition or Criteria of suicide?

Go learn it and THAN we can have a Debate about suicide bombings..

its halal..

and who cares if muslims look bad?

why do you want to please the kuffar so bad?

stop being such a Westernized and americanized Moderate

[pandora7891]

I care if muslims have a bad name, because it harms us. You sound so uneducated, you probably think the taliban are wonderful too.

Suicide is clearly haram, lashing out against an entire population of people is wrong and there are clear rules in regards to war. You cannot harm innocent bystanders and that includes women and children and even trees and crops.

I study Islam before I form my opinions, I don't blindly follow anything. I suggest you should do the same.

[reyy619]

it harms us? how so? yes i believe the Taliban is Wonderful MashAllaah they are Great mujahideen and the True Lions of this ummah. I NEVER SAID SUICIDE IS HALAL. I AGREE IT IS HARAM. but the Martyrdom Operations are NOT suicide. go learn what the islamic concept of Suicide is.. i know the Rules of War. and i dont think killing innocents is justified. but Anyone who Supports the killing of muslims with Their Arms,money or Words ARE NOT INNOCENT. i repeat stop being such a Westernized Moderate

[pandora7891]

How's this for a westernised moderate? Go fuck yourself!! The taliban are not wonderful. They promote the killing of shi'te muslims, says girls are not allowed to go to school and act as if they are the only authority on islam without any proper credence or education to back them up. And it does harm us, Islam does not need enemies. We should be enlightening people with islam, not making them hate us.

Islam is a beautiful religion and I am sick of people like you trashing it.

[pandora7891]

I just wanna add btw that you keep calling me moderate like it's a bad thing. Well I will tell you now that Islam does not promore extremism. Moderism and extremism does not exist in islam. And the definition of suicide is: An-Nisaa 4:29-30. Do not kill yourselves, for Allah is compassionate towards you. Whoever does so, in transgression and wrongfully, We shall roast in a fire, and that is an easy matter for Allah.

[pandora7891]

The prophet Muhammed(PBUH) gave very clear rules on fighting and combat. One of the main rules are you CANNOT "fight" in civilian areas, you cannot destroy someone's property, you cannot harm women and children and suicide bombers do all of this.

[reyy619]

That is, there is a clear distinction between Istishad (martyrdom) and Intihar ("suicide") - in both the intention of the individual, and what results from their act.

[pandora7891]

So it's all on intention? Even if the person is misguided, ignorance is no excuse.

[reyy619]

if your intention is to end your life because of personal Reasons (Depression,pain ect)

than its HARAM

but if you do it for the Sake of Allah (swt) than its a noble Act of jihad ALHAMDULILAH!

[pandora7891]

So if I went to your house and blew myself up in the name of allah, it wouldnt matter whether what I did was wrong, as long as I did it for good?

Doing wrong things in the name of allah doesnt make it right. What if I came and murdered you and your family in the name of allah? Would my actions be okay cause my intention was to please god?

[pandora7891]

And actually on the basis of suicide, A person who commits suicide as a result of a mental disorder like depression or some other severe form of anxiety is not in full control of his senses. We cannot say how God will judge such a person, but we trust to Gods justice, because He does not deal unfairly with anyone.

[hamaz]

I don't know with what religious authority are you so confidently proclaiming suicide bombings to be halal. When the prophet (PBUH) went to war, he commanded all muslim soldiers agsint the cutting of a tree, the harming of a man or a woman or a child. So how can you, so somnonlently come on here and say such utterly contemptible things? You are clearly unqualified to make such profound proclamations on the behalf of the muslim faith. You are probably an Israeli acting as a muslim....

[reyy619]

during the prophets time mujahids would do martyrdom operations and the prophet never condemned it.

there are many hadiths which prove my point.

and many scholars agree that it is halal such as Shiekh yusuf al qaradawi.

but he must a jew acting like a muslim right?

the person who was claiming these noble acts are haram is not qualified but i wonder why you didnt say anything to him :/

your probably a hypocritical westernized moderate.

eselemu elejkum Ve Rehmteullehi Ve berektuhu

[hamaz]

You repeat the same idiocy that those who don't understand Islam say. There is no such thing as a "moderate" in Islam dear boy. There is just a muslim. And if you know arabic, which I doubt u do, you would know very well that Islam is the faith of MODERATION (Al wasatiya). Sheikh Qardawi does not condone the acts against civilians (such as the 911). He does of course, as every proper muslim should, encourage Jihad against an invading entity (such as Israeli soldiers. Don't repeat blindly.

[reyy619]

there is no point in speaking with you..

i am talking about the actual act of "suicide bombings" ok?

im not talking about what can or has happened..i am simply talking about the act...until you realize this we can not even have a dialogue.

i already said that there are many hadiths proving our case and Mujahids during the prophets time did martyrdom operations also.

Qaradawi has given a fatwa saying he supports palestinian suicide bombings.

eselemu elejkum.

[hamaz]

Tell me one hadith were the prophet encouraged individuals to kill women women and children. You have none. And to say that there were any is an insult to the prophet (PBUH). Stop conflating jihad with misguided acts of terrorism. The matyrs in the times of the prophet fought wars against armies and did not hide in mountains. They had excellent understanding of Islam, not selective use of Quran and its verses. Stop giving Islam a bad name.

[reyy619]

"Tell me one hadith were the prophet encouraged individuals to kill women women and children."

again your confusing the act of suicide bombings with what can or has happened..

stop doing that..im talking about a man doing a operation that will inevitably lead to death..

im not the one confusing anything..YOUR THE ONE CONFUSING MARTYRDOM OPERATIONS WITH TERRORISM..

it proves how stupid some people can be..

once you stop confusing the two we can have this dialogue..until then its useless.

selam!

[hamaz]

An operation that will inevitably lead to death? You are avoiding or gliding over my question because you dont have a response. You are a parakeet for those who are charged with anger rather than the desire for progress. And stop saying we can't have a dialogue, we are having a dialogue right now, a rather futile one seeing as to your limited knowledge and your empty responses. Suicide bombings are a misnomer to jihad because it includes the term "suicide." Think of the connotations/language.

[Arizoo2006]

when you say 'Jews' do you mean the Palestinians, who are purely Semitic, or the European Jews?

[Sefardi123]

Arizoo2006:I mean ALL people who can trace their origin through an unbroken line of Jewish MOTHERS - back to a community that is known to have descended from Jacob's 12 sons.

This can be Sefardic, ashkenaz or Yemenite Jews. This can also be ANY non-Jews who converted according to ORTHODOX Jewish LAW.

Jews are a lineage, but they are NOT a race.

You can NOT convert into being black, white or yellow. You CAN convert into being a Jew.

ABOVE all - Being Jewish means LIVING by the God's Torah.

[Arizoo2006]

Sefardi123 - be it "all people who can trace their origin through an unbroken line of Jewish Mothers" or not,there is no justification for the treatment of pro-imperial Zionists toward the original inhabitants (Palestinians). Isn't there also a daily Jewish prayer stating that the Jews have acknowledged that they have been banished from the Holy Land?

[Sefardi123]

Arizoo:"Palestinians" are there thanks to their marauding ancestors who ethnically cleansed the Byzantines off Israel; The Byzantines are none other than the Christianized descendants of the Romans - who ethnically cleansed the Jews off Israel.

A thief stealing from a thief is still a thief. The original owner -the Jews- have a right to reclaim their land.

Yes,we have been TEMPORARILY banished,but when certain DEATH approached us, God's ETERNAL commandment for self-defense overrides it.

[Sefardi123]

reyy...

To PROVE to you what I said about WORLD JIHAD - see this youtube vid:

"Jihad On The West"

[kamayie86]

intresting debate to say the least, good work by Al Jazeera

[Johnrosssssss]

in my oppinion, since there wasnt a palestinian state under Jordan and Egypt, since the palestinians didnt want a land in a two state solution, they shouldnt get one in Isreals prosperities, in my opinion, for the tens of millions of Indian refugees amid India's indipendance when thousands died for freedom, the houndreds of thousands of Israeli refugees in many nations, no voice is speaking of that but we follow the Mohammad way of accusing one of things he does, Palestine is not the issue,hate

[Johnrosssssss]

lmao... for 19 years no UN resolution, no UK accademic boycot no intefida no Palestinian argument for a Palestinian state under Egypt nor Jordan but after the arabs occupation of palestinian lands ended with the loss of a war the arabs declared on Israel on bases of hate and envy, now all the things never done, the silence to Jordan-Egypt lack of press for a so-called palestinian state came to the condemnation of Israeli offcupation, boycots, rejectionism and anti-semitism

[Hellboysjd]

Wow Fadi!. You go man tell them what happen to us!.

[MarkYwarak]

I dont know why but everytime i try to watch this show it freezes on me from any computer i use

[fuascailt32]

fahdi -superb!

[Tagapinasako]

Sad times in that area. Pray for peace.....

[Arabstanii008]

this needed to be done