640 yards, open sights, Swiss K31, Schmidt-Rubin Model 31

[88byrdboyy]

He probably has eye sight like Byron Ferguson 20/15

[FloridaRaider]

that's a crock of shit lie..that cant' be farther than 639 yards.

[thespaniard47]

i would hate to be in your sites:)

[11Bravo211]

it's hard to miss lol! 

[txstang84]

damn I want one...

[subarumonkey]

So the 7.62 projectile will work in the 7.5 mil gun?

[governator45]

@subarumonkey That's where things get messy. You're better off just talking about the actual diameter of the bullet. 7.62mm = .300" , but the actual bullets used are .308" and sometimes larger. The 7.5x55 swiss actually uses the .308" bullet.

[kylethelincey]

Thats a hell of a shot

[hiroyoshi86]

great shooting!!! my question is did you load the ammo or are you shooting surplus ammo???

[hk7686]

@hiroyoshi86 I'd be surprised if he was using anything but gp11, it's surplus but every round is match, I shoot 500+ meters all day with gp11, and most k31 shooters I know use the same thing.

[rainmechanic]

Its always surprised me that the Swiss army did not specify a receiver mounted rear apeture sight for the Schmidt-Rubin K31.. Especially considering the history and popularity of long range alpine shooting matches in Switzerland..

As good as the K31 is.. IMO, most rifleman would be more likely to score hits at 500+yds with an M1 Garand simply because of the superior sight picture offered by an apeture site.

Im truely amazed at how well you shoot w/ open sights at such long distances.

[mag30th]

@rainmechanic Thank you, ive been at it a long time and it has become an obsession. Ironicaly, I cant read without glasses, go figure... Thanks again, Ernest.

[bigholmes95]

Where was this filmed? Looks like eastern oregon.

[jjw5150]

You are a good shot man. Can't say so much for myself. I am parr.... Thats about it...

[nofish37]

I just shot mine for the first time this afternoon. I was skeptical, but not anymore. These are GREAT guns, I'm getting another one.

[jjw5150]

@nofish37 Same here, I had to have atleast two ;)

[delciemcwhoopie]

So you gotta aim 14 feet above the target?

[falkepuppy]

nice shooting, I always wanted a K31 but being in Canada it was way easier to find a Ross.

[OKBushcraft]

Forgive my inacuracy, Prior to WWI the Kaiser was watching the Swiss troops on manuveres with the Swiss leader. The Swiss army was 1/2 the size of the German army, the Kaiser asked what would they do if Germany invaded since the odds were 2-1. The Swiss leader didn't miss a step, his frank reply was they would just shoot twice.

[mag30th]

Ive read that also.

[baconator490]

i thought switzerland wasnt invaded because its all mountains and mountains are easy to defend, and a nightmare to take over. Not to mention the entire country was a dense forest

[matador5135]

@OKBushcraft You're correct. I've heard many times in youtube ignorant comments about Switzerland and its military, because they have not been in a conflict in over 300 years, does not mean that they are not good warriors/fighters. Whatever the menace the Swiss have faced througout their history, they have always remained undettered and fearless. All of their country is a fortress and a military garrison.

[IRONSEAN7]

great shooting man, love the straight pull bolt on the k31, ive never had the oppertunity to try mine from anywhere near this distance,, but its nice to see it done

[gkvinteractive]

What's with the weird way you're working the bolt? Just open and close. You shouldn't need to keep bumping it like you are.. Both my K-31s load GP11 perfectly well and smoothly. Are you using reloads?

[mag30th]

Yes, they are reloads, and when I reload I only resized the neck, leaving the shoulder tight, resulting in me having to "bump" the bolt for it to completely close.

Fully re-sized brass, or new bullets close perfectly each time, but I get better accuracy with one-fired brass.

[heyerstandards]

Well done. Be sure to read Stephen Holbrook's "Target Switzerland: Armed Neutrality in WWII." You really gain perspective on how much the Swiss were relying on those little K31 rifles. They mobilized 1/3 of the country in, I believe it was, squads of 16 (with 15 rifles and one squad machine gun.) They held off the Germans and Italians to the south for the decade prior to WWII and throughout.

[Wiggling]

Awesome!!! Very nice shooting! Very nice

[lunitar78]

Great shooting!

So how many K31's do you own, I just recently got into shooting open sights at 200+ yards. Now I cannot stop buying them!

What type of recoil pad are you using? A 60 round box of GP-11 usually sends me home with a nice bruise.

[AA550cord]

I'm shopping for bullets. I'm thinking 168gr. Sierra Matchkings. I'll be shooting mostly out to 300yards, but some out to 600 yards. Let me know.

[mag30th]

168 is the best round in my opinion.

[AA550cord]

I'm shopping for bullets. What do you recommend. I'll be shooting out to 600 yards, but mostly out to 300yards. I'm thinking 168gr. Sierra Matchkings. Let me know what you think.

[fonsy85]

in the swiss army we have 300 metre ranges, which is about 900 yards. i have seen some guys shooting groups no bigger than 2.5 inches over and over on these ranges...with open sights.

[mag30th]

You are thinking feet, not yards.

300 meters translated works out to 328 yards.

640 yards converts to 585 meters.

[fonsy85]

u are a good shot then!! :D thx for the upload!

[fonsy85]

ahhh, that is true! sorry...and by the way i think i understood the open sight wrong too...by open sights i meant just using the original sights!

[batbawls]

Hi. Were these commercial loads, your reloads, or surplus GP11?

[stuppdude]

i just want to say that your a great shot.

[Afod3]

Have you tried the long gun M11 or M96/11?

I love the k11 and k36, but for long range accuracy you should look into the long guns. I know many people don't realize the accuracy because they aim high, the sights are set for the shortest range being 300 yds and at the top of the sights. My m96/11 is by far the most accurate rifle I own, I love my K31, but it doesn't stand up. All in all Swiss rifles are superior.

[RifleGlory]

you have the best rifle shooting videos thanks. I also think that your videos help people out.

[fireball676]

hey mag, about these rifles, does it matter what year i get or is it just the condition i am looking for, let me know please, i am into WW2 guns and wanted to know, also i have a Yugo m48A mauser, how does it stack up against the k31?

[goflatout]

Mag, or anyone out there who has one, do you think this would be a good gun for elk hunting?

[RebelSince1776]

I'd have to diagree with the K31 being the most accurate ww2 service arm, since the Springfield was still in some use, I believe that it is more accurate, but the K31 is extremely accurate as well, and ur a great shot. Ive heard about the K31 legendary accuracy, but I didnt know it was this good, Id still have to go with the 1903 though, but then again u were using iron sights, as oposed to the flip up sights of the 1903, wish we had those long ranges over here in the midwest, but we dont

[mag30th]

1 of 2 Thanks, I own both, and there is little comparison (in my opinion). Many others besides me have also considered the K31 the most accurate. Additionally, Ive spend moths attempting to get my 03 hitting an 18 inch plate at 1,000 yards, and that is with all sorts of various match ammunition.

[mag30th]

2 of 2 Nether my 03 or my 03A3 have much consistency at that distance, while the K31 is like clockwork. Ive posted the 1,000 yard video shooting the K31 here on YouTube as well.

But it all falls to personal preference, and with that, I couldnt ever imagine parting with nether rifle... :-)

[alks207]

Nice, I was thinking about going to a scrap yard and maybe finding something there that I can use for long range shooting too.

[alks207]

Where did you find a metal post like that. That's perfect for long distance shooting.

[mag30th]

About ten years ago a friend made up several of them. It is great for long distance, less than about 350 yards 30.06 and similar size shots tear it up. Out past that, it works great.

[suckafly]

If this is really 640 yards then this is great shootin but it doesn't look like 640 yards.

[mag30th]

1 of 4 This range, when I original made this clip, was supposed to be 640 yards, and a second range (when I say range I mean pre-measured point to point in the Mojave Desert) was supposed to measure 1,000 yards. I later found the supposed 1,000 yard range measured to a true distance of only 850 yards (Note: My video 850 yards with a 91/30 sniper)

[mag30th]

2 of 4 I have manually measured 850, 900 and 1,000 yard points to the exact yard and these are used in my videos 900 yards with a 98K and 1,000 yards with an M1 Garand. Those distances are perfectly accurate. As with this distance, after learning that the supposed 1,000 yard was actually only 850, I tend to believe that this pre-measured distance is actually closer to only 590 yards.

[mag30th]

3 of 4 The shooting day was roughly 110 degrees and using the original digital footage, determining the sound return from target, (total event time here runs about 2.1 to 2.1 second) Ive reached the conclusion that this is probably closer to only 590 yards and bullet velocity is closer to 2450.

[mag30th]

4 of 4 As I mentioned earlier, I have easily hit 6 for 6 on a 48 inch plate at 1,000 yards, and I feel that I can achieve at least 3 out of 6 on the 18 inch plate at 1,000 under the proper conditions. Rather than remove this video, Im going to leave it posted until I attain a quality shot sequence at 1,000 yards, open sights, with this K31.

[mgsfan15]

I've got this rifle, but I didn't know it was that accurate. wow

[Hieronymus76]

Not to disrespect, just a pun : it's not just the rifle, it's the shooter as well  ;)

[mgsfan15]

Yeah I know. But that is still good.

[hises]

Great shooting, I don't even know if I could see a target at 640 yards.

I've got to take my K31 to a range some time to see how well it performs.

BTW, your cameraman has a stupendously steady hand.

[Shatnerpossum]

Nice shot.

By the way, did you by chance happen to be shooting in the Mojave desert? Because this looks just like where I live.

[mag30th]

Yes, if you look under "Statistics & Data" on this video, then go to "recording date & location" I've entered exactly where I made the clip. I'll bet it is the same place you are talking about.

[Shatnerpossum]

I'm not that tech savvy, but I can tell you are in the Mojave Desert.

[mag30th]

The 14 and Dawn road, just north of Rosamond.

[Shatnerpossum]

Cool. I live in Lancaster!

[mag30th]

Its 15 min from your house.

[Shatnerpossum]

Yeah, I know where Rosamond is. It happens when you live in the AV.

[imacf90]

wow... from open sights too, you are very good

[Gmissile]

My next rifle. I might even get into reloading.

[Dogslovetrucks]

wow

[bilbobaggin3]

I don't think I could even see the target at that range never mind hit it. Amazing.

[bretak74]

Simply amazing! That's a nice range.

[jusportel]

Another great video! Where did you set your sight?

[mag30th]

500 meters, and I brought the post to 1/2 way covering the target.